Mitchell could return in 2013
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, March 5th, 2013 at 8:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders apparently aren’t bent on purging everything associated to owner Al Davis in 2013.
Safety Mike Mitchell, widely regarded as a major reach as a second-round pick (No. 47 overall) in the 2009 draft, is cautiously optimistic about returning to the team that selected him out of Ohio four seasons ago.
Mitchell, whose exuberance and willingness to hit drew mostly compliments from coach Dennis Allen last season, said he left the Raiders facility following the season feeling good about his chances of coming back.
“The fact that they’re showing interest in getting a deal done I think that says that,” Mitchell said by phone Tuesday night. “At the same time, it’s a business. Things change overnight. You never know how that’s going to play out. It’s good for me to leave (Alameda) knowing they want to bring me back and it’s good for me to them to be contact my agent trying to get a deal done. That’s reassuring.
“They’re men of their word. I’ve said that since day 1. I believe coach Allen and Reggie are good me and they’ve followed that up by what they’ve shown me in free agency. But still, it’s an extremely tough decision. I’m not even close to making a decision yet.”
To review, Mitchell’s solid senior season at Ohio University and a spectacular Pro Day caught the eye of Davis. The Raiders picked him in the second round, while some draft analysts _ including the highly respected Mike Mayock of NFL Network _ had him as a late-round pick or free agent.
Mitchell said he feels capable of being a starter in the NFL. Whether the Raiders can offer that, or whether they’re even intending on offering it, remains an open question. Strong safety Tyvon Branch signed a multi-year deal last season after being named the club’s franchise player. Michael Huff, who moved to cornerback in Week 3 last season, is slated to return to free safety.
Both McKenzie and Allen have talked of Huff’s contributions at corner and about looking forward to him returning at free safety. Huff’s most recent contract would make him difficult to release. He’s due $4 million in salary plus a $4 million roster bonus entering free agency, but the amount of dead money from releasing Huff would total approximately $9.5 million.
More likely, the Raiders would reduce Huff’s base salary and extend him even further into the future. The final two years of Huff’s contract _ 2015 and 2016 _ are voidable years.
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March 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Hue Jackson is a well-known, back-stabbing liar.
You don’t be productive, yet float through 6, SIX!!!!, NFL organizations in 11 years without having no couth.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
MM34 should be brought back near the NFL vet minimum and allow him to do the one thing he does well.
Blitz.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
MM34 does nothing well.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
I 2nd that!
March 5th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
post 2, that is…
March 5th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
I am not a huge MM34 fan, he has proven he can’t play in space, and his special teams prowess is greatly exaggerated.
But he has very good timing and disguising of his blitzes, and I would say he is probably our best blitzer.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Every 3 steps we get further away from the circus tents, something always pulls us back in. Hues out there running his mouth off again. Great. SMH.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
There isn’t a person who believes a word Hue says, including the guy who did the interview.
Passing up a GM job for an OC job?
LMAO
March 5th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
There isn’t a person who believes a word Hue says, including the guy who did the interview.
Passing up a GM job for an OC job?
LMAO
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Mike Silver believes it.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
McClain’s a pretty good blitzer too.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
MM34 should be brought back near the NFL vet minimum and allow him to do the one thing he does well.
Blitz.
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That would be a bargain compared to paying Huffypoo 8+ million for doing NOTHING well.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
With all his flaws, I’d take Hue Jax as RAIDER HC over Tits Allen, in a heartbeat.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Pass. There’s alot of depth at Safety in the draft and we need to cut costs.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
If DA has tits, Hue has jugs.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
http://tracking.si.com/2013/03/02/report-aaron-brooks-will-sign-with-houston/?sct=obnetwork
March 5th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Just kidding.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
There isn’t a person who believes a word Hue says, including the guy who did the interview.
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Including the players.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Actually kind of liked Huff at CB he got better as year went along and has more of a CB body – get a rook to take his spot at Safety. Let Mitch walk – he’s a liability other than on special teams.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
If DA has tits, Hue has jugs.
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Hue had STONES.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
With all his flaws, I’d take Hue Jax as RAIDER HC over Tits Allen, in a heartbeat.
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I’d take Tom Cable over both of them.
Hue was full of hot-air, and his team folded like the cheap suits he wore when the going got tough.
Didn’t we lose by like 80 points in two weeks against GB and Miami?
Al would have fired him just like Reggie did after that end of the season debacle.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Tits Allen = Gregg Krapp’s little sister.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
With all his flaws, I’d take Hue Jax as RAIDER HC over Tits Allen, in a heartbeat.
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Second that.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
he’s a liability other than on special teams.
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Two seasons in a row, he allowed a week 17 kickoff return for a TD to SD with the returner blowing right past in HIS LANE.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
There isn’t a person who believes a word Hue says, including the guy who did the interview.
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Just wait,there will be plenty on here soon to refute that statement.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Hue didn’t have any stones.
He had braggadocio, that was backed up by nothing.
He was the NFL version of Bernie Madoff.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
he’s a liability other than on special teams.
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Two seasons in a row, he allowed a week 17 kickoff return for a TD to SD with the returner blowing right past in HIS LANE.
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Oh yeah, forgot about that. Yup.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Nice to know Huff’s final years are voided if needed.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Scourge Says:
any mech. engineers in here?
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Kind of, why?
March 5th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Al would’ve still overruled Hue on the Palmer trade if still alive, and Mark would’ve still fired his add for bullying him.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Didn’t we lose by like 80 points in two weeks against GB and Miami?
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Yes we did. And Hue made several terrible strategic decisions against Cleveland and Detroit as well.
Still, I’ll take Hue’s exciting offense and all-out balls to the wall style and philosphy over the bland Tits and Krapp snoozefest any day of the week.
Tits Allen is not RAIDER MATERIAL.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Palmer would ‘love’ to be back in Oakland next season per CSNBayArea..
At $15 mill – who wouldn’t? Seriously think the Cards should take a run at him – he would be very good with their wideouts … We are in total rebuild mode – they have alot of pieces in place and he could be another Warner for them – same style of player. In Oak we need mobility at QB.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
There isn’t a person who believes a word Hue says, including the guy who did the interview.
Passing up a GM job for an OC job?
LMAO
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morilla Says:
Mike Silver believes it.
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Mike Silver is trying to distance himself from being the source.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Palmer would ‘love’ to be back in Oakland next season per CSNBayArea..
At $15 mill – who wouldn’t? Seriously think the Cards should take a run at him – he would be very good with their wideouts … We are in total rebuild mode – they have alot of pieces in place and he could be another Warner for them – same style of player. In Oak we need mobility at QB.
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Why do we need mobility at QB?
March 5th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Tomorrow I want to read Kelly has been cut, DHB took a huge paycut (I would be okay with the current pay be spread out over four years plus incentives), or we have a trade partner for McClain.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Oh and Palmer huas retired.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Trade Palmer on a sign and trade for their 2nd and we draft that kid from AZ wildcats – Scott. He’s the under the radar guy this year with mobility a live arm and upside – have him and TP compete in camp to start.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Pryor & Bergstrom have been traded for our 3rds back.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Al would’ve still overruled Hue on the Palmer trade if still alive, and Mark would’ve still fired his add for bullying him.
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Hue didn’t sign the deal Mark Davis did. It was a good player, but a horrible deal – MDavis got ‘bullied’ Cinci would have taken less.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Many,many ,many times I’ve argued that Al was obviously Compos Mentos when he brought Hue in and put an instant gag order on him. For 6 months! shut up, don’t speak. Don’t say a damn thing until league rules mandate that I have to let you.
Yeah, I’m convinced Hue isn’t huebris and, and, and, what is Hue’s point, anyway?
March 5th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Tomorrow I want to read Kelly has been cut, DHB took a huge paycut (I would be okay with the current pay be spread out over four years plus incentives), or we have a trade partner for McClain.
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Giants or the Cowboys will offer a late round pick during the draft once all the decent MLB are gone.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Hue didn’t have any stones.
He had braggadocio, that was backed up by nothing.
He was the NFL version of Bernie Madoff.
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from the guy that liked Gregg Knapp?
March 5th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Palmer would ‘love’ to be back in Oakland next season per CSNBayArea..
At $15 mill – who wouldn’t? Seriously think the Cards should take a run at him – he would be very good with their wideouts … We are in total rebuild mode – they have alot of pieces in place and he could be another Warner for them – same style of player. In Oak we need mobility at QB.
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Why do we need mobility at QB?
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Redzone, lack of quality receivers. The way the league is moving towards. Keep plays alive, make them respect the QB run will make it easier to do much more. Having a statue at QB is a death knell with the speed on D these days esp when receivers can’t run timing routes consistently.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
If Hue’s story has merit, then that explains the poor draft picks and FA signings these many past offseasons.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
I’m a big hue jax fan and I think he’s full of shiet….lets start with the fact al Davis was the gm and wasn’t handing that over to anyone….also a qb coach being offered a gm position is bs….but the whopper is hue as an coach of the ravens turned down a gm job and asked to be OC….not HC but OC….hue just did himself another disfavor and the job he wants just got further….the guys is apparently clueless how his actions are perceived….that being said I would still take hue over DA any day
March 5th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Hue’s record with the Raids is better than anyone since Gru – and they collapsed under the new regime. I don’t care what the guy said in a press conference. We were better with Hue, much better. And personally I agreed with everything he said after losing to SD to miss the playoffs, everything..
March 5th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Hue was a first year HC and was given absolutely no slack in the press, cuz he’s an Al guy. But the team was so much better with him running the ship. The NFL is full of BS head coaches that win, look across the Bay for c*rists sake.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Hue is 99% responsible for the Palmer trade, (Al 1%, because he didn’t set up a GM successor upon his impending death), Hue knew Mark didn’t know a damn thing and buy anything he pushed for.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
I personally don’t have any issue with what he said after the season either….but I’m not his gm either….the problem he has is the same one marts has….no one wants to deal with them
March 5th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Harbaugh is a lying machine but he’s not put to task. Oh, that’s right its the Fruities – they are above scrutiny.. If Harbaugh was on the Raids, they would have a field day with his mannerisms and lies. Which are ridiculous btw. But he can coach and inspire players. So did Hue. DA is a stone. An ugly stone.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Mitchell is like a less expensive Tyvon Branch.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Hue is 99% responsible for the Palmer trade, (Al 1%, because he didn’t set up a GM successor upon his impending death), Hue knew Mark didn’t know a damn thing and buy anything he pushed for.
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Hue wanted Palmer of course – Mark Davis is the one who pulled the trigger on that terrible trade – lets not lose sight of who signs the contracts.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Hue obviously was over exaggerating. As forMM34 he was an average Blitzer at best. He close to never sacked anyone but would get their fast. Like he had half the coverage read right.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
DA accepts losing, period. His first and last inclination is to find excuses and he’s a bumbling idiot at it. He’s gone after this year and not a minute too soon. Hopefully Tarver is ready to step in in 2014 or somebody else with some frikin HEART!
March 5th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Oh and who gave Branch the franchise tag and then a monster contract? That was totally worth it…
March 5th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Tyvon isn’t a franchise player but he can tackle in open space and chase a fast player down.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
I don’t have any problem with the Palmer trade….the team was in position to make a run at the playoffs for the first time in years….what the rAiders paid is the going rate for an experienced qb….if we knew we would be firing hue and starting over then yes it was a bad move but if we kept hue the O would now be in the same O going on 4 years and we could have focused on the D
March 5th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Not to mention he gives 110% and plays fearlessly.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Actually kind of liked Huff at CB he got better as year went along and has more of a CB body – get a rook to take his spot at Safety. Let Mitch walk – he’s a liability other than on special teams.
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Keep Huff at CB and draft Bacarri Rambo from Georgia in the 4-5th rounds!
March 5th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Palmer would ‘love’ to be back in Oakland next season per CSNBayArea..
At $15 mill – who wouldn’t? Seriously think the Cards should take a run at him – he would be very good with their wideouts … We are in total rebuild mode – they have alot of pieces in place and he could be another Warner for them – same style of player. In Oak we need mobility at QB.
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Why do we need mobility at QB?
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Redzone, lack of quality receivers. The way the league is moving towards. Keep plays alive, make them respect the QB run will make it easier to do much more. Having a statue at QB is a death knell with the speed on D these days esp when receivers can’t run timing routes consistently.
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Excellent points. We have been having the debate all year about whether the read/option is the “new wave” of the NFL. Chuck Pagano just came out and said exactly what I said 9 months ago, that DC’s around the league and in college are devising ways to counter it. Out of this years “final four” three were “statues” as you call them. If mobility in QB’s was as valuable as most think, Mike Vick would have been the one to get the big contract, not Joe Flacco.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
I don’t have any problem with the Palmer trade….the team was in position to make a run at the playoffs for the first time in years….what the rAiders paid is the going rate for an experienced qb….if we knew we would be firing hue and starting over then yes it was a bad move but if we kept hue the O would now be in the same O going on 4 years and we could have focused on the D
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Even more of a reason to keep the coach Palmer came here to play for on staff for another year. Especially when he was *under contract* and we had to pay his salary regardless. You can the guy and then bring in DA on a 4 year deal? Its insanity…
March 5th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Relentless Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Tyvon isn’t a franchise player but he can tackle in open space and chase a fast player down.
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Great skill set for a gunner. If he had coverage skills too he might be an okay safety.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
We would have won 4 games last year with or without Palmer at QB because DA screwed us with his incompetency and bringing in Knapp to completely derail the offense Hue had built to be top 10 in the league 2 years running… Now we’re back to square 1 with DA still at the helm and another proven loser at OC.
But, according to DA – he says ‘all the right things’..
March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
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Redzone, lack of quality receivers. The way the league is moving towards. Keep plays alive, make them respect the QB run will make it easier to do much more. Having a statue at QB is a death knell with the speed on D these days esp when receivers can’t run timing routes consistently.
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So what your saying is you want to watch sandlot football
March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Just because you have a QB who can run, doesn’t mean they have to run the read option.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
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Redzone, lack of quality receivers. The way the league is moving towards. Keep plays alive, make them respect the QB run will make it easier to do much more. Having a statue at QB is a death knell with the speed on D these days esp when receivers can’t run timing routes consistently.
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So what your saying is you want to watch sandlot football
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I believe what he is saying is he wants to watch the Raiders score points.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
I think scoring points is best performed with an accurate passer, precision routes and a strong run game
March 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Just because you have a QB who can run, doesn’t mean they have to run the read option.
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Thank you.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
This year. With Palmer, Raids win 6 games, without TP Raids win 6 games – whats the difference?
Palmer is a good QB for the right team – not for ours the way it stands now. Let’s move on eat whatever cap we have to – this year is about rebuilding the Defense and running game and TP with DMAC in the backfield will help the running game tremendously.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
I think with TP we win 2
March 5th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Just because you have a QB who can run, doesn’t mean they have to run the read option.
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I think that is the point. Where the league has evolved to, and where the league seems to be is with guys who can make all the throws not someone who can run, or “keep plays alive.” If a guy can make the throw, he doesn’t need to keep plays alive.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
I don’t have a problem trading Palmer because then we get something in return….a draft pick or player and most likely the firing of DA and possibly reggie
March 5th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
#51
Bingo!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
I think scoring points is best performed with an accurate passer, precision routes and a strong run game
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Exactly. Let’s see how the Raiders stack up. Accurate passer: check. precision routes:pffft
strong run game: pffft.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
I think it is in the benefit of the org to release or trade Palmer, not because of his play but for other reasons
March 5th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
You know what really bothers me? The Chiefs fans puffing out their chests the past few days. They got a new QB who was only successful under one system, and that was only marginal success (sound a bit like Cassell?). Then they overpaid a WR and tagged an OT that might get moved inside (Guard at $10 mil!). Both of which were cornerstones of their 2-14 team. Oh don’t forget they signed a coach who had been run out of town 4 years before he was actually fired, and runs a fledgling system that is too soft to succeed when the cards are actually down.
I’m reading all their fans act like they are instant championship contenders by pretty much keeping with the status quo at an exorbitant price. Our fans may be overly critical of our people, but at least we are not unwarrantedly arrogant.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
If the benefit of the organization means getting rid of DA I agree
March 5th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Accurate passer-C+
Precision routes-D ( streater and myers were good)
Strong run game-inc. Depends on how well DMC tesponds to the new scheme. Hue had us at an A, Knapp had us at an F, jury out on GO
March 5th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Hue is 99% responsible for the Palmer trade, (Al 1%, because he didn’t set up a GM successor upon his impending death), Hue knew Mark didn’t know a damn thing and buy anything he pushed for.
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Hue wanted Palmer of course – Mark Davis is the one who pulled the trigger on that terrible trade – lets not lose sight of who signs the contracts.
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But let’s be honest, Mark Davis did not sign a $10mm contract that fell out of the sky between morning tequila shots. He was advised by Jackson to do it, Jackson was the “football guy” in charge at that point, and he took Jackson’s advice. Let’s say Mark Davis vetoed that deal and Carson Palmer went to KC. KC would be winning games, we would be worse than 4-12 and Mark Davis would be kicking himself and all of you would be pissed beyond belief that he DIDN’T pull the trigger on that deal.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
I’m not impressed with the chiefs moves either
March 5th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
00tt00
Don’t like DA, myself but I’m willing to afford him what our last coach was not afforded, time. I think he has the football knowledge, but lacks the testicular fortitude and personality to a HC. Hopefully he develops, but I have my doubts
March 5th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
I think DA could develop…I just think that will happen after he gains the experience he needs by fAiling with us
March 5th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
mcthompso Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
You know what really bothers me? The Chiefs fans puffing out their chests the past few days.
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Hey, they’ve made some good moves. Andy Reid has been successful, Alex Smith has played well the last two years, their LT situation is locked up, they signed their #1 WR, and they have the overall lst pick in the draft and can go any where with it. Right now it looks like they are going to let Dorsey and Tyson Jackson walk, and take Loutelelie with the overall lst. Not bad. We have to counter what they have done. And cutting Palmer is not the answer.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Damn smartphone typos!!!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
Hue is 99% responsible for the Palmer trade, (Al 1%, because he didn’t set up a GM successor upon his impending death), Hue knew Mark didn’t know a damn thing and buy anything he pushed for.
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This is where your brain is idling. Al brought Hue in because he lusted after a disgruntled,USC, heisman winning, , overall first round pick,6′5 ,240 lb QB, with an awesome arm and down field game.
Hue had an in. Al hired Hue because he wanted Carson Palmer.
Don’t bother with the timelines, they check out.
Don’t bother with Al saying Campbell was the next Plunkett. Seriously?
Carson Palmer was Al Davis’s wet dream.
If you’ve followed this team since any time before Gruden/Gannon,you know this to be true.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Chiefs aren’t our competition…the broncos are….and prob the bolts…I don’t think much of smith
March 5th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
seybush, had to do it.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
I do think al would have also pulled the trigger on the Palmer trade
March 5th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
Hue is 99% responsible for the Palmer trade, (Al 1%, because he didn’t set up a GM successor upon his impending death), Hue knew Mark didn’t know a damn thing and buy anything he pushed for.
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This is where your brain is idling. Al brought Hue in because he lusted after a disgruntled,USC, heisman winning, , overall first round pick,6′5 ,240 lb QB, with an awesome arm and down field game.
Hue had an in. Al hired Hue because he wanted Carson Palmer.
Don’t bother with the timelines, they check out.
Don’t bother with Al saying Campbell was the next Plunkett. Seriously?
Carson Palmer was Al Davis’s wet dream.
If you’ve followed this team since any time before Gruden/Gannon,you know this to be true.
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I must say, you have set the Palmer worship bar high with this one. I thought “interceptions aren’t bad” was going to be the high point of the day. I stand corrected.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Just because you have a QB who can run, doesn’t mean they have to run the read option.
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Thank you.
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Yep. with a one legged Brisiel and Willie smith on the right side of the offensive line, Pryor wasn’t gonna run for his life. He’d of stood tall amd made those downfield throws that Palmer couldn’t make.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
seybush, had to do it.
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Just the facts. Al loved him some USC guys.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
If DA has tits, Hue has jugs.
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Hue had STONES.
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Yep, Hue had some ballz, don’t think DA has any (we all know he has tits though
) or maybe they just haven’t dropped yet, hopefully they do this offseason or else he won’t be here long enough before they do.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Hue is 99% responsible for the Palmer trade, (Al 1%, because he didn’t set up a GM successor upon his impending death), Hue knew Mark didn’t know a damn thing and buy anything he pushed for.
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Hue wanted Palmer of course – Mark Davis is the one who pulled the trigger on that terrible trade – lets not lose sight of who signs the contracts.
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But let’s be honest, Mark Davis did not sign a $10mm contract that fell out of the sky between morning tequila shots. He was advised by Jackson to do it, Jackson was the “football guy” in charge at that point, and he took Jackson’s advice. Let’s say Mark Davis vetoed that deal and Carson Palmer went to KC. KC would be winning games, we would be worse than 4-12 and Mark Davis would be kicking himself and all of you would be pissed beyond belief that he DIDN’T pull the trigger on that deal.
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What ‘advice’ are we talking about? That Palmer is a good QB who Hue worked with in the past – who could help a 6-4 team with a legit chance at the playoffs for the first time in a decade? The guy was frikin retired!
Or, no what really happened is he held a gun to Mark’s head and said pay a lions ransom for the guy and pick up his contract.. Mark has been around the game his whole life – he was the GM/Owner and he, no one else, signed that deal. Period.
Mark Davis used Hue as an excuse for his own incompetency on that BS deal as an excuse to fire a guy who threatened his idiocy – every GM/Owner/PressIdiot in the league knew at the time it was announced that was a *stupid amount* to pay for a guy who was retired for f*cks sake – hold your ground and you will get him for a fraction of that . We have to blame Hue for that too? If Mark had said ‘No’ on the trade – do you think Hue would have quit??? Please.. Monkey Mark Davis got hosed by a competent owner/GM, plain and simple – and Hue has said it publicly he had nothing to do with the numbers part of the trade.
But, he’s a ‘liar’ right, so what difference does it make.. No coach in the NFL besides maybe the Cheater in NE has a high enough pay grade to effect the amount of a trade.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
rediaR Says:
I must say, you have set the Palmer worship bar high with this one. I thought “interceptions aren’t bad” was going to be the high point of the day. I stand corrected.
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Hue being offered and turning down the GM position with the Raiders in ‘09 would screw this theory, and I’m sure you believe that one.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Just because you have a QB who can run, doesn’t mean they have to run the read option.
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Thank you.
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Yep. with a one legged Brisiel and Willie smith on the right side of the offensive line, Pryor wasn’t gonna run for his life. He’d of stood tall amd made those downfield throws that Palmer couldn’t make.
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Just because a QB isn’t running the read option, doesn’t mean they can’t try to escape pressure.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Just because a QB isn’t running the read option, doesn’t mean they can’t try to escape pressure.
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Hello.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
There wasn’t any time for hue or mark to…hold their ground…because cambell got hurt like 3 days before the trade deadline….it was the perfect storm…if the injury happened a week later Palmer would not have been available
March 5th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Or, no what really happened is he held a gun to Mark’s head and said pay a lions ransom for the guy and pick up his contract.. Mark has been around the game his whole life – he was the GM/Owner and he, no one else, signed that deal. Period.
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Come on, Mark Davis was as far from the day to day operations of the Oakland Raiders as Jamista Clown. To put that onto Mark Davis and not Hue Jackson is kind of silly.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Well at least we have DA – a guy who says ‘all the right things’ – thats what Reggie used as a reason to hire him – about a guy he barely knew after ‘lying’ a month earlier in his presser saying he fired Hue because he wanted his ‘own guy’ when he had no frikin clue who that was.
Silver was right, Mark forced Reggie to fire Hue and even he knew it was a bad move, but he wanted the job.
But then he hired a f*cking moron to a 4yr deal and now he has to live with it.
We all do.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
I think with TP we win 2
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How many do we win with Palmer? 3-4? Im starting to wonder if its even worth bring Palmer back even if he does take a paycut, it would almost be like another wasted season, maybe we should just start Pryor and see if he has a chance to be the future, why postpone this full rebuild yet another year?
March 5th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Just because a QB isn’t running the read option, doesn’t mean they can’t try to escape pressure.
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Hello Mike Vick.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Or, no what really happened is he held a gun to Mark’s head and said pay a lions ransom for the guy and pick up his contract.. Mark has been around the game his whole life – he was the GM/Owner and he, no one else, signed that deal. Period.
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Come on, Mark Davis was as far from the day to day operations of the Oakland Raiders as Jamista Clown. To put that onto Mark Davis and not Hue Jackson is kind of silly.
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So who’s name is on the trade contract? Signed.
March 5th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Chiefs aren’t our competition…the broncos are….and prob the bolts…I don’t think much of smith
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Chiefs, Chargers and Broncos are our competition…we don’t even belong in the same sentence!!
Not until we go back to our winning ways, we don’t deserve respect from other teams and the NFL…shoot we probably don’t even belong in the NFL!!
We s-u-c-k I admit it…it’s the first step to recovery!!
And guess what?? I’m still proud of being a Raider Fanatic!!
WIN, LOSE OR TIE!! RAIDER NATION TILL I DIE!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Sorry Seymour, Raiders probably lose remaining games, be in position to trade last years 1, this yrs 1, plus, and RGIII would be Raider right now, we don’t make that trade the very least we have a top ten pick from last year, could’ve traded back and had Russell Wilson as our starting QB.
I will never forget what damage Hue did to the future of the Raiders, not ever.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
Just the facts. Al loved him some USC guys.
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There is nothing Al would’nt have loved about Palmer when he hired Hue. Nothing. Look at his freaking stats with Ocho and Housh. 2,000-2,500 yards for Ocho every year. 900-1,000 yards for Housh every year. Plus he spread the ball around. As he has here. Mike Brown, hands down wins every poll as the worst owner in the history of all sports.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
It was the opposite…Reggie forced mark to fire hue….Reggie did not have the authority to fire hue per hues contract….lets call that the muffin clause….Reggie wanted his guy and mark agreed because if he didn’t be would actually have to interview another guy….mark is weak and got pushed around by both hue and Reggie…so now he wants to bring in holmgrem to control reggie….only problem is now holmgrem will push mark around
March 5th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
The *only* reason we (I) am talking about Hue is the current staff is complete garbage and the team took an absolute nose dive after crawling back to contention to prove it.
If we had a real HC/Staff and we were moving ‘forward’ it would be moot and Hue would be a non topic.
The problem is ownership. And that is a very big problem that we all still have along with the all the rest. Don’t blame Hue for getting the team to 8-8 (both seasons are his too btw).
Blame Mark for rushing it back to the bottom.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Sorry Seymour, Raiders probably lose remaining games, be in position to trade last years 1, this yrs 1, plus, and RGIII would be Raider right now, we don’t make that trade the very least we have a top ten pick from last year, could’ve traded back and had Russell Wilson as our starting QB.
I will never forget what damage Hue did to the future of the Raiders, not ever.
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Oh you mean best record in 10 years? That damage?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
LOL, we don’t even belong in the same sentence as the Chiefs? The team we beat twice (thank gawd we had to play them twice or else we would be stuck with this years great #1 pick) and who has the #1 pick? I think we are in there Neighborhood, heck we are on there block
March 5th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Raiders cut Palmer and start Pryor; either Pryor is the qb Al saw in him or we’ve got dibs on Aaron Murray in 2014 draft.
Win win I say.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Hue is 99% responsible for the Palmer trade, (Al 1%, because he didn’t set up a GM successor upon his impending death), Hue knew Mark didn’t know a damn thing and buy anything he pushed for.
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Hue wanted Palmer of course – Mark Davis is the one who pulled the trigger on that terrible trade – lets not lose sight of who signs the contracts.
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But let’s be honest, Mark Davis did not sign a $10mm contract that fell out of the sky between morning tequila shots. He was advised by Jackson to do it, Jackson was the “football guy” in charge at that point, and he took Jackson’s advice. Let’s say Mark Davis vetoed that deal and Carson Palmer went to KC. KC would be winning games, we would be worse than 4-12 and Mark Davis would be kicking himself and all of you would be pissed beyond belief that he DIDN’T pull the trigger on that deal.
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There would have been fewer wins in ‘11 along with a high first round draft pick that would still belong to the team. Who the QB would be is completely unknown. It could have been TP, JC, Russell Wilson, some other rookie, Flynn (doubtful due to $), anybody. I’m pretty sure KC’s injuries that year came right after the trade deadline, so maybe it’s even Palmer after an offseason deal made by Reggie for a better price.
I guess my point is, your scenario is very narrow and not actually much worse than what last season was.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Would you guys, right now, rather have DA over Hue as HC. Right now?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
There is no way to prove what TP can do with words, the only way is for these cats to see it happen. Some of them are so dead set against anything unconventional that they have no vision on what kind of problems a QB with TP skillset does for an offense. They read everyday about his work ethic and leadership yet it doesn’t phase them(they hate him).
You have no less than 4 rec’s out practicing 3 days a week and who want to be led by this kid yet it has no effect on their narrow minded opinions. All they see is his athleticism. His leadership means nothing to them. If he were white they would be ready to erect a statue to him eventhough he hasn’t started a season yet.
Players do NOT follow a player who cannot throw or cannot make them better. They just wont and the fact that these players are following TP speaks volumns to the people that matter. These know-nothings have zero say in what ultimately takes place. TP is helping these young rec’s get better or else why bother?
He has their attention as the leader of this team already. DA said as much the week of practice TP had he said and these are his words. “He just made himself the starter of this team”, not only in the game but the week before the game. Do you really think professional players would be fooled by some young wannabe QB to the point they spend their offseason working out with him? The question answers itself.
But you have these blind haters who just DON’T want want to see what’s obvious to a blind man. You could be deaf and dumb and see clearly what’s taking place on this team. TP is taking the lead he’s not asking anyone he is commanding their respect and attention. The Raider brass is elated with these developments as each day passes they are shocked with his leadership and competitiveness that I have tried to tell many that this kid has in spades. He is a born leader a born general and his skills are every bit as functional as they need be to take this team and win with it. TP will show the league his skillset his lightyears better than anyone wants to believe. The footwork issue is resolved the mechanics issue is resolved. It’s just a matter of making it second nature over live reps and that can only take place in games.
If you think by any stretch that the GM and HC is not paying wrapped attention to the goings on in these practice sessions. YOU are in for a rude awakening………….period
March 5th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Best record in one year, wife slapping HC had the same record year before.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
Sorry Seymour, Raiders probably lose remaining games, be in position to trade last years 1, this yrs 1, plus, and RGIII would be Raider right now, we don’t make that trade the very least we have a top ten pick from last year, could’ve traded back and had Russell Wilson as our starting QB.
I will never forget what damage Hue did to the future of the Raiders, not ever.
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Have you ever been a fan of a winning team or do you gravitate toward losers? Become a football fan in the last ten years? Just curious.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Would you guys, right now, rather have DA over Hue as HC. Right now?
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Hue OBVIOUSLY
March 5th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Priesttj12
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I say cut Palmer and let TP and another rook/FA compete this year. When did Palmer score 3 TDs for us? Especially after sitting the bench and getting minimal reps in practice. I don’t care what it looks like I want TD’s and WINS!
March 5th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Best record in one year, wife slapping HC had the same record year before.
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That was Hue’s the offense went from 24th to 10 in his only season as OC. Cable was not the reason.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Hue brings an offense that works, though not much else.
DA brings… uh… Greg Knapp?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
There is no way to prove what TP can do with words, the only way is for these cats to see it happen. Some of them are so dead set against anything unconventional that they have no vision on what kind of problems a QB with TP skillset does for an offense. They read everyday about his work ethic and leadership yet it doesn’t phase them(they hate him).
You have no less than 4 rec’s out practicing 3 days a week and who want to be led by this kid yet it has no effect on their narrow minded opinions. All they see is his athleticism. His leadership means nothing to them. If he were white they would be ready to erect a statue to him eventhough he hasn’t started a season yet.
Players do NOT follow a player who cannot throw or cannot make them better. They just wont and the fact that these players are following TP speaks volumns to the people that matter. These know-nothings have zero say in what ultimately takes place. TP is helping these young rec’s get better or else why bother?
He has their attention as the leader of this team already. DA said as much the week of practice TP had he said and these are his words. “He just made himself the starter of this team”, not only in the game but the week before the game. Do you really think professional players would be fooled by some young wannabe QB to the point they spend their offseason working out with him? The question answers itself.
But you have these blind haters who just DON’T want want to see what’s obvious to a blind man. You could be deaf and dumb and see clearly what’s taking place on this team. TP is taking the lead he’s not asking anyone he is commanding their respect and attention. The Raider brass is elated with these developments as each day passes they are shocked with his leadership and competitiveness that I have tried to tell many that this kid has in spades. He is a born leader a born general and his skills are every bit as functional as they need be to take this team and win with it. TP will show the league his skillset his lightyears better than anyone wants to believe. The footwork issue is resolved the mechanics issue is resolved. It’s just a matter of making it second nature over live reps and that can only take place in games.
If you think by any stretch that the GM and HC is not paying wrapped attention to the goings on in these practice sessions. YOU are in for a rude awakening………….period
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Then why did Dennis Allen just say Palmer is the starter?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
There would have been fewer wins in ‘11 along with a high first round draft pick that would still belong to the team. Who the QB would be is completely unknown. It could have been TP, JC, Russell Wilson, some other rookie, Flynn (doubtful due to $), anybody. I’m pretty sure KC’s injuries that year came right after the trade deadline, so maybe it’s even Palmer after an offseason deal made by Reggie for a better price.
I guess my point is, your scenario is very narrow and not actually much worse than what last season was.
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I guess what your saying is we should not have tried to make the playoffs after cambell got hurt
March 5th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
Best record in one year, wife slapping HC had the same record year before.
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Said he slapped one wife, one time when she told him of her infidelity. When he was in his early twenties. I’m sure you’re a freaking saint.Burn the Mtherfckr at the stake.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Did anyone see the Harlem Shake video w/TP et al? Pretty cool – they are in the Raiders facility (ghetto as it is) – what does that say about *want*.
Show me a team that wants and I’ll show you a winner.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Then why did Dennis Allen just say Palmer is the starter?
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Cuz DA is a punk that has no pulse on the team or anything else – but he says ‘all the right things..’
March 5th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
There would have been fewer wins in ‘11 along with a high first round draft pick that would still belong to the team. Who the QB would be is completely unknown. It could have been TP, JC, Russell Wilson, some other rookie, Flynn (doubtful due to $), anybody. I’m pretty sure KC’s injuries that year came right after the trade deadline, so maybe it’s even Palmer after an offseason deal made by Reggie for a better price.
I guess my point is, your scenario is very narrow and not actually much worse than what last season was.
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I guess what your saying is we should not have tried to make the playoffs after cambell got hurt
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I didn’t realize mortgaging the future for an over the hill retired QB who had been wildly inconsistent since 2006 was the only way to try to make the playoffs.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Best record in one year, wife slapping HC had the same record year before.
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That was Hue’s the offense went from 24th to 10 in his only season as OC. Cable was not the reason.
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We have been through this a million times. Jackson was calling plays not designing an offense. Al Davis or Hue Jackson never once said they are installing “their offense”. They called it, “our offense.” Tom Cable designed the offense. Tom Cable is the current Assistant HC in charge of offense in Seattle. Carroll coaches the defense. Jackson came here as “playcaller” because Davis thought Cable had too much on his plate. As time went on the Raiders played worse and worse under Jackson. Those are the facts.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
00tt00 Says:
I guess what your saying is we should not have tried to make the playoffs after cambell got hurt
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Try to win games? Make the playoffs? We’re her to b1tch, we don’t want no winning getting in the way of that.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
I don’t think anyone is saying cable was a bad coach….I think they are saying that the credit for the of fence coming alive for the first time in 9 years goes to hue
March 5th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Raiders should trade back no more spots than any of these players available:
Fisher
Warmack
Joeckel
Jordan
Mingo
Miliner
Keep moving back until we are in that final overall position to draft at least one of them; hopefully we can move back enough to also draft Trufant and Austin.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
rediaR Says:
I didn’t realize mortgaging the future for an over the hill retired QB who had been wildly inconsistent since 2006 was the only way to try to make the playoffs.
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That’s really the best you can do? Want the link to the stats?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Best record in one year, wife slapping HC had the same record year before.
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That was Hue’s the offense went from 24th to 10 in his only season as OC. Cable was not the reason.
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We have been through this a million times. Jackson was calling plays not designing an offense. Al Davis or Hue Jackson never once said they are installing “their offense”. They called it, “our offense.” Tom Cable designed the offense. Tom Cable is the current Assistant HC in charge of offense in Seattle. Carroll coaches the defense. Jackson came here as “playcaller” because Davis thought Cable had too much on his plate. As time went on the Raiders played worse and worse under Jackson. Those are the facts.
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Come on Bush – really? The offense before Hue came was horrible. What are you saying?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
00tt00 Says:
I don’t think anyone is saying cable was a bad coach….I think they are saying that the credit for the of fence coming alive for the first time in 9 years goes to hue
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I think they were an awesome duo, actually.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
We have been through this a million times. Jackson was calling plays not designing an offense. Al Davis or Hue Jackson never once said they are installing “their offense”. They called it, “our offense.” Tom Cable designed the offense. Tom Cable is the current Assistant HC in charge of offense in Seattle. Carroll coaches the defense. Jackson came here as “playcaller” because Davis thought Cable had too much on his plate. As time went on the Raiders played worse and worse under Jackson. Those are the facts.
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What are you smoking…..raiders moved away from ZBS with hue as OC….cables speciality
March 5th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
There would have been fewer wins in ‘11 along with a high first round draft pick that would still belong to the team. Who the QB would be is completely unknown. It could have been TP, JC, Russell Wilson, some other rookie, Flynn (doubtful due to $), anybody. I’m pretty sure KC’s injuries that year came right after the trade deadline, so maybe it’s even Palmer after an offseason deal made by Reggie for a better price.
I guess my point is, your scenario is very narrow and not actually much worse than what last season was.
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I guess what your saying is we should not have tried to make the playoffs after cambell got hurt
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I didn’t realize mortgaging the future for an over the hill retired QB who had been wildly inconsistent since 2006 was the only way to try to make the playoffs.
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Could have held ground and got Palmer for a 2nd (this year) and some cash or at most a 1st last year with a smaller contract – that’s all we had to do…. An owner with some balls would have gotten it done – he was *retired* for *hrists sake!
March 5th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
If you notice these same people say the same things about TP that they said about JC. It’s the same people with the same arguments and it’ll never stop because they are who they are. They can’t help themselves but negate everything and anything TP does but if he was who THEY would want him to be they’d be crunching his dirt drawers he could take ‘em off fast enough.
They worship Palmer, and they thought Gradkowski was the bets thing since sliced bread. TP is 3x’s the QB Grads will ever be yet they nitpik his every move. Same thing they did with JC. It’s an easy observation they want what they want regardless to what’s best for this team.
Palmer has been afforded a great opportunity to prove who he is. And NO ONE is blaming everything on Palmer so don’t even play that card. I’m saying he was given an opportunity and he just didn’t cash in he was average at best. I for one was extremely excited when we got Palmer I thought FINALLY a great player at the most important position. He just has not lived up to my expectations in fact he failed miserably. I couldn’t care less about his stats. BURN’EM IMO I care about his leadership his ability to rally this team when it counts and to pull out wins where losses were imminant to do what every great QB does, WIN GAMES. Make everyone around him better through demanding they play above their heads if necessary BUT GET THE JOB DONE………….period
March 5th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
I don’t think anyone is saying cable was a bad coach….I think they are saying that the credit for the of fence coming alive for the first time in 9 years goes to hue
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I think you are right. But the fact is Cable installed the offense, Jackson was calling plays, and then Jackson took over the offense and the team flailed around and ended up not doing much offensively at the end of the 2011 season, once the league caught up to Jackson. Cable then went on to Seattle and their offense has shown signs of life. Jackson went to Cinncy and isn’t anywhere near decision making. So, as I always say, some of you guys here are NFL football geniuses, or the actual guys in the league who are football geniuses, are the football geniuses.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
rediaR Says:
I didn’t realize mortgaging the future for an over the hill retired QB who had been wildly inconsistent since 2006 was the only way to try to make the playoffs.
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That’s really the best you can do? Want the link to the stats?
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If you have a stat that shows the trade was somehow worth it I would love to see it.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Saint, no; hit a woman, (especially the one you committed yourself to be entrusted by forever); not ever, not in anger, not under any circumstance, no justification or reason, not ever.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Palmer was 31 when we got him…..hardly over the hill….easily could play another 5 years
March 5th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
What if you have to hit her or the entire world will explode? Yeah, never say never.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
I would take either one over Rich Kotite.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Palmer was 31 when we got him…..hardly over the hill….easily could play another 5 years
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Leinart could play for 10 more years if they kept putting him out on the field. Doesn’t mean any games will be won or that he will play well in defeat.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
If you notice these same people say the same things about TP that they said about JC. It’s the same people with the same arguments and it’ll never stop because they are who they are. They can’t help themselves but negate everything and anything TP does but if he was who THEY would want him to be they’d be crunching his dirt drawers he could take ‘em off fast enough.
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Priest, I don’t say it, the league says it. Campbell came here because he got run out of Washington. He came here and played not great, but not poorly. He got run here, went to Chicago and was awful. Pryor came here with a certain rep for questionable decision making, tucking and running and not being accurate. We have watched him play one game. He had questionable decision making, poor mechanics, tucked and ran and was not very accurate. Are you going to say his decision making was beyond reproach, his 2 for 9 when the game mattered was stellar, and his mechanics made him look just like Tom Brady? Is that what you are going to say next?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Look, Palmer, like Hue, is history. It’s time to move on and truly rebuild. Lets give TP a run this year. I think he has heart and talent (legs and leadership). Let’s get rid of Palmer’s contract and the rest of the BS on this team (we know who that is) – and get the D in order – Tarver has talent – he can be relied on to build that side.
2014 is our year. Or maybe TP has something to say about that… He just might be exactly what we need.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Palmer was 31 when we got him…..hardly over the hill….easily could play another 5 years
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Leinart could play for 10 more years if they kept putting him out on the field. Doesn’t mean any games will be won or that he will play well in defeat.
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It amazes me that an overall Number one, pro bowl QB, led the league in passing categories, who NO ONE EVER said could not play, comes here and in a year and a half, SUDDENLY, he can no longer play the game. It boggles the mind…..
March 5th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Look, Palmer, like Hue, is history. It’s time to move on and truly rebuild. Lets give TP a run this year. I think he has heart and talent (legs and leadership).
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Heart and talent does not win in this league.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
So that’s what Uranus looks like; “not ever.”
March 5th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Cable is not the OC in Seattle…he is the OL coach…..the assistant HC title is just an organization title related to salary structure…is like saying he’s an assistant Vice President or something… Not related to job function
March 5th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Palmer was 31 when we got him…..hardly over the hill….easily could play another 5 years
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Leinart could play for 10 more years if they kept putting him out on the field. Doesn’t mean any games will be won or that he will play well in defeat.
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It amazes me that an overall Number one, pro bowl QB, led the league in passing categories, who NO ONE EVER said could not play, comes here and in a year and a half, SUDDENLY, he can no longer play the game. It boggles the mind….
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Huh? People have been saying it since about midseason 2009.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
When did Palmer score 3 TD’s in a game for us?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
Saint, no; hit a woman, (especially the one you committed yourself to be entrusted by forever); not ever, not in anger, not under any circumstance, no justification or reason, not ever.
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Aren’t you special. You are aware that there are many woman in this world that could kick your ass, right?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Look, Palmer, like Hue, is history. It’s time to move on and truly rebuild. Lets give TP a run this year. I think he has heart and talent (legs and leadership).
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Heart and talent does not win in this league.
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As opposed to.. lack of heart and no talent?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Leinart could play for 10 more years if they kept putting him out on the field. Doesn’t mean any games will be won or that he will play well in defeat.
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So lets go with the guy with accuracy issues who is 0-1
March 5th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Out guys…take it easy
March 5th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Leinart could play for 10 more years if they kept putting him out on the field. Doesn’t mean any games will be won or that he will play well in defeat.
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So lets go with the guy with accuracy issues who is 0-1
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Yeah you’re right. Lets go with the guy who is ‘accurate’ costs $15 mill, and is 8-17 as a Raider.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Saint, no; hit a woman, (especially the one you committed yourself to be entrusted by forever); not ever, not in anger, not under any circumstance, no justification or reason, not ever.
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Exactly.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
sorry, 8-16
March 5th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
It amazes me that an overall Number one, pro bowl QB, led the league in passing categories, who NO ONE EVER said could not play, comes here and in a year and a half, SUDDENLY, he can no longer play the game. It boggles the mind….
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Huh? People have been saying it since about midseason 2009.
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You mean the 10-6 Carson Palmer 2009 team?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
rediaR Says:
I didn’t realize mortgaging the future for an over the hill retired QB who had been wildly inconsistent since 2006 was the only way to try to make the playoffs.
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That’s really the best you can do? Want the link to the stats?
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If you have a stat that shows the trade was somehow worth it I would love to see it
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See how you ducked and weaved out of that one?
March 5th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Saint, no; hit a woman, (especially the one you committed yourself to be entrusted by forever); not ever, not in anger, not under any circumstance, no justification or reason, not ever.
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Exactly.
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Kell, your woman slaps you around all the time, so your input is meaningless.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
rediaR Says:
I didn’t realize mortgaging the future for an over the hill retired QB who had been wildly inconsistent since 2006 was the only way to try to make the playoffs.
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That’s really the best you can do? Want the link to the stats?
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If you have a stat that shows the trade was somehow worth it I would love to see it
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See how you ducked and weaved out of that one?
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Were you talking to yourself? You completely ducked the issue at hand: the trade was not worth it.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Priest, I don’t say it, the league says it. Campbell came here because he got run out of Washington. He came here and played not great, but not poorly. He got run here, went to Chicago and was awful. Pryor came here with a certain rep for questionable decision making, tucking and running and not being accurate. We have watched him play one game. He had questionable decision making, poor mechanics, tucked and ran and was not very accurate. Are you going to say his decision making was beyond reproach, his 2 for 9 when the game mattered was stellar, and his mechanics made him look just like Tom Brady? Is that what you are going to say next?
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Questionable decision making, can be said about a 10 year vet whom I thought would be a difference maker. I expected much more from Palmer, for anyone getting their first start that is reasonable performance.
Now the question is which player has the most upside. The 10 year vet or the first start young QB?
Seymour you make about as much sense as a 5 yo child. You should never compare TP’s first start to anything Palmer has done here because it makes him look weak. Yet you denegrate TP’s accomplishments and embellish Palmers…………what an agenda!
March 5th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Warren Wells was my favorite Raider, I was devastated; I remained a Raider fan, maybe even more so, because the team, the shield, the silver and black became more important than the player; became thankful when I read in Raider Nation Times he committed his life to Jesus a while back.
God, then family & the U S.A., followed by Raiders & Raider Nation!
March 5th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Aaron Murray will be the Raiders starting qb in 2014 anyway; I’ve never understood why so much blog arguments over Pryor & Palmer anyway.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Looks like PALMER could really be gone. wow
March 5th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Carson Palmer isn’t sure what will happen in Oakland
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2013, 10:21 PM EST
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Last month, Raiders G.M. Reggie McKenzie told Pro Football Talk there will be competition at the quarterback position. Which could open the door for Terrelle Pryor.
And close it for Carson Palmer.
With a $13 million base salary in 2013, the cap-strapped Raiders will have a hard time keeping Palmer at that level of pay, unless he’s the clear-cut starter.
“Not sure what’s going to happen,” Palmer told Paul Gutierrez of CSNBayArea.com via email. “Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
To make that happen, Palmer may have to take less money. Maybe a lot less money.
And while he may not be willing to do that, the real question is whether the Raiders will be offering Palmer more than what another team would offer. Technically, Palmer isn’t supposed to know that while still under contract with the Raiders.
As a practical matter, Palmer’s agent will know what’s behind Door No. 2 before having to decide on whether to take a reduced offer from the Raiders
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/carson-palmer-isnt-sure-what-will-happen-in-oakland/
March 5th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Heart and talent does not win in this league.***********************************
I have never read anything so false in my life. Those are the qualities every coach is looking for in this league……..Seymour you don’t make sense man.
Just quit!!
March 5th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
It amazes me that an overall Number one, pro bowl QB, led the league in passing categories, who NO ONE EVER said could not play, comes here and in a year and a half, SUDDENLY, he can no longer play the game. It boggles the mind….
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Huh? People have been saying it since about midseason 2009.
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You mean the 10-6 Carson Palmer 2009 team?
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I may not have been right on the year, but Palmer was a big joke in the media for at least a solid season of playing in his last years as a Bengal, and much longer before that amongst a couple friends of mine, who are Bengal fans, and myself.
March 5th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
im sure his agent right now is gettin offers secretley from other teams..
which is like WIMBLEy refused to take a pay cut. Some other team would be willing to pay him 10 million a year.. Raiders sure are not
March 5th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Priest, I don’t say it, the league says it. Campbell came here because he got run out of Washington. He came here and played not great, but not poorly. He got run here, went to Chicago and was awful. Pryor came here with a certain rep for questionable decision making, tucking and running and not being accurate. We have watched him play one game. He had questionable decision making, poor mechanics, tucked and ran and was not very accurate. Are you going to say his decision making was beyond reproach, his 2 for 9 when the game mattered was stellar, and his mechanics made him look just like Tom Brady? Is that what you are going to say next?
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Questionable decision making, can be said about a 10 year vet whom I thought would be a difference maker. I expected much more from Palmer, for anyone getting their first start that is reasonable performance.
Now the question is which player has the most upside. The 10 year vet or the first start young QB?
Seymour you make about as much sense as a 5 yo child. You should never compare TP’s first start to anything Palmer has done here because it makes him look weak. Yet you denegrate TP’s accomplishments and embellish Palmers…………what an agenda!
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When did I compare him to Palmer? You seem like the 5 year old my friend.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
God, then family
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I’m just going to let that sit there.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
It amazes me that an overall Number one, pro bowl QB, led the league in passing categories, who NO ONE EVER said could not play, comes here and in a year and a half, SUDDENLY, he can no longer play the game. It boggles the mind….
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Huh? People have been saying it since about midseason 2009.
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You mean the 10-6 Carson Palmer 2009 team?
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I may not have been right on the year, but Palmer was a big joke in the media for at least a solid season of playing in his last years as a Bengal, and much longer before that amongst a couple friends of mine, who are Bengal fans, and myself.
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Palmer was never thought of poorly from fans, NFL people or Bunghole fans. And I know a bunch of them myself.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
” Not sure what’s going to happen,” Palmer told Paul Gutierrez of CSNBayArea.com via email. “Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
To make that happen, Palmer may have to take less money. Maybe a lot less money.
And while he may not be willing to do that, the real question is whether the Raiders will be offering Palmer more than what another team would offer. Technically, Palmer isn’t supposed to know that while still under contract with the Raiders.
As a practical matter, Palmer’s agent will know what’s behind Door No. 2 before having to decide on whether to take a reduced offer from the Raiders
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/carson-palmer-isnt-sure-what-will-happen-in-oakland/
March 5th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Just because a QB isn’t running the read option, doesn’t mean they can’t try to escape pressure.
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Hello.
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Hello.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
March 5th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Reggie trades McClain for Tebow straight across, win-win; trade Palmer to Arizona, give Fitzgerald a legitimate shot at the playoffs; trade Pryor to Philadelphia, Chop Kelly is collecting QBs faster than Gruden did (just signed Kenne).
March 5th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Still think tebow could be a Raider.. especially if Dennis allen liked him
watch him get the raiders to the playoffs lol
March 5th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Reggie trades McClain for Tebow straight across, win-win; trade Palmer to Arizona, give Fitzgerald a legitimate shot at the playoffs; trade Pryor to Philadelphia, Chop Kelly is collecting QBs faster than Gruden did (just signed Kenne).
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This sounds strange saying, but there is no way I would trade McClain for Tebow.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Make McLain a pass rusher only. See what happens in pre season. Go for it. If it don’t work, cut him. The dude can pass rush. What do you think kool kell? You have Reggie’s ear. Tell him it’s even your idea. I don’t need the credit for it.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Pryor should be tentative and have questionable decision making in his first start. But Palmer does that too which is why he can’t get the result he should be getting. I hate to say it but I have seen more leadership from a raw rookie than I’ve seen from the 10 year vet.
And heart and talent takes you a long way in this league. It basically decides whether you will be in this league at all….
March 5th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
This organization and most of the FAN BASE has lost its mind.
Carson Palmer played his ass off last season in spite of a ignorant ROOKIE head coach and arguably one of the worst Offensive Coordinators in PRO FOOTBALL. Greg Knapp is a great QB Coach, but not an OC.
The fact that the Raiders are toying with him at this point and NOT HONORING their initial contract is RIDICULOUS.
This TEAM deserves what it gets…..and it will get what it deserves….assuming the MEN in charge remain in their positions…..
Carson broke ribs and bruised his lung and WANTED TO GO BACK INTO THE GAME…..and this was on a TEAM who had NOTHING TO PLAY FOR…..
The guy has more guts that most EVERY QB in the LEAGUE….the fact that OUR GM & HEAD COACH cannot see that screams to their complete lack of knowledge of a sport to which they both claim to be EXPERTS…..
The Oakland Raiders lack organizational LEADERSHIP on the FOOTBALL side of the building and will FAIL until this PROBLEM is RESOLVED!
End of discussion.
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000115216/Carson-Palmer-injured
Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter
Raiders HC Dennis Allen said QB Carson Palmer has cracked ribs and a bruised lung and will not play again this season.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
” Not sure what’s going to happen,” Palmer told Paul Gutierrez of CSNBayArea.com via email. “Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
To make that happen, Palmer may have to take less money. Maybe a lot less money.
And while he may not be willing to do that, the real question is whether the Raiders will be offering Palmer more than what another team would offer. Technically, Palmer isn’t supposed to know that while still under contract with the Raiders.
As a practical matter, Palmer’s agent will know what’s behind Door No. 2 before having to decide on whether to take a reduced offer from the Raiders
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/carson-palmer-isnt-sure-what-will-happen-in-oakland/
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As the days go by and TP continues to lead this becomes more and more of a moot point. Carson Palmer should’ve made it so there was no doubt and no chance he could be replaced by anyone. He didn’t do that so it’s his fault……….period
March 5th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Pryors first start.
I hope he does well in the future.
I hope he beats out Palmer in passing and brings his legs to the game.
Here is what he actually did.
3 and out
3 and out
Great series TD
3 and out
3 and out
Halftime
Good drive Int.
3 and out- BUT roughing the kicker
3 and out
enter 4th qtr down 24-7
March 5th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
Carson Palmer should’ve made it so there was no doubt and no chance he could be replaced by anyone.
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This is where you just don’t get it son, he did. Period.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Pryors first start.
I hope he does well in the future.
I hope he beats out Palmer in passing and brings his legs to the game.
Here is what he actually did.
3 and out
3 and out
Great series TD
3 and out
3 and out
Halftime
Good drive Int.
3 and out- BUT roughing the kicker
3 and out
enter 4th qtr down 24-7
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I guess that’s it for his career!…………what’s your point man? did you expect 26-28 360 4 TD’s………..you people are crazy!
March 5th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Carson “Pick Six” Palmer “4 wins”
March 5th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Thats Carsons Indian name….for real Google it
March 5th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
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March 5th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
I hate to say it but I have seen more leadership from a raw rookie than I’ve seen from the 10 year vet.
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Nonsense. Your heart leaps into your throat just typing that trype.
Take your drugs and go back to bed.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Take your swastika and cover your ass..
March 5th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
Realtruraider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Carson “Pick Six” Palmer “4 wins”
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Those 4 wins last year are Reggie Macs and his lil buddy Allen’s wins. Those wins are accredited and exclusive to Reggie Mac and his lil buddy Allen. If it wasn’t for their mind numbing brilliance, we’d a had 8 wins minimum.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
I guess that’s it for his career!…………what’s your point man? did you expect 26-28 360 4 TD’s………..you people are crazy!
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Here it is! They get more and more comfortable posting the stats they love until I yank ‘em back to reality and they change up all of a sudden and say well, whadduya expect?
I expect you to quit bullsh1tting about that game. It is what it was. Let it fcking go. It means nothing.
Pryor plays the last 5 games of the season and looks real shakey, I still want him competing for the
#2 spot and, god forbid, actually beating out Palmer. Fine. Just climb down off your fantasy horse ride outside the supermarket.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
whats up
pardon my venting. I missed most of today, but not much. Hah!
March 5th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
How be it Mr P
There is no World Baseball Classic on tv til 2AM. Japan vs Cuba. Can’t wait. That is going to be a good game. I’m surprised Australia did so poorly. Wished the WBC was goin on when the great Bo Jackson was playing. He woulda tore it up on the international stage.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
If Hubris is the offensive genius many tout him to be,, he should have been able to win games with Boller as the QB and not have to mortage the future with the Palmer trade.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
pardon my venting. I missed most of today, but not much. Hah!
March 5th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
whats up
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After scrolling through today’s communications, you didn’t miss most of today.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
Take your swastika and cover your ass..
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This is where you just don’t get it,son. I wipe my ass with the nazi flag. You,… well I’m not sure you remember how to wipe your ass.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Mr Green Says:
After scrolling through today’s communications, you didn’t miss most of today.
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Kept getting sidetracked with new computers and hopefully new llama crias and there you go.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Wonder if Reggie Mac is pondering the free agent market. Or is he still scouring green bays table.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Mr Green Says:
Those 4 wins last year are Reggie Macs and his lil buddy Allen’s wins. Those wins are accredited and exclusive to Reggie Mac and his lil buddy Allen. If it wasn’t for their mind numbing brilliance, we’d a had 8 wins minimum.
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Knapp was a large part of their blinding incandescence.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Purvis you are one lying sack of crap!
spineless turd, that’s all you fools ever do in here is talk about his stats. You more than anyone I couldn’t care less about that damn game it was one game………..freakin idiot!!
March 5th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Hopefull he’s going to get a bit further out of his comfort zone this year.
No way to get a good feel from last year, in my opinion.
Although BHP pretty much called him an uppity n1gga last night.
Tonedeezy is my witness.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Kept getting sidetracked with new computers and hopefully new llama crias and there you go.
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Well I must say we don’t breed llamas any more. Our remaining three our old and the pastures are now giving way to open fields. Do you have ranch hands or do you do all the work yourself?
March 5th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
All I ever read about in here is Pryor/Palmer it never stops. Those who wnat to discredit him and those who make more of it than it was. It was one damn game and it means everything to some of YOU morons.
Escpecially those who want to point out his flaws…… get a clue fool
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 am
We just recycled a ton of llama banner magazines.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:04 am
Anybody see that 16 yr old kid pitching for team Brazil last night? He only faced a couple of hitters but that is crazy.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:04 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Hopefull he’s going to get a bit further out of his comfort zone this year.
No way to get a good feel from last year, in my opinion.
Although BHP pretty much called him an uppity n1gga last night.
Tonedeezy is my witness.
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You finally getting it in huh boy?
Your witness are those who think LIKE YOU!
Go burn some more crosses on lawns you sheet wearing sucka!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:04 am
Priesttj12 Says:
Purvis you are one lying sack of crap!
spineless turd, that’s all you fools ever do in here is talk about his stats. You more than anyone I couldn’t care less about that damn game it was one game………..freakin idiot!!
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2 or 3 weeks ago on a friday night you annd kell were waxing rhapsodasicaly about Pryor’s phenomenol game against SD and I posted the compllete breakdown of his ‘breakout game” and you and kell huddled up and changed the tune and formed a support group and basically wilted when confronted, so fck you and the horse you rode in on.
Hear what I’m saying, son?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 am
This fool got the nerve to twist my words to suit his purpose………..you are one sick BIGOT!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:08 am
I guess that felt good huh Purvurt, I have told people who you are and you own mouth condemns you. You idiot!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Priesttj12 Says:
Go burn some more crosses on lawns you sheet wearing sucka!
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You wouldn’t of done that two blocks from John Muir high school in Pasadena.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:11 am
Mr Green Says:
We just recycled a ton of llama banner magazines.
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I’m one of the very few that actually skim them. Let alone read them.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:11 am
And BHP, shut the fck up, son. Period.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:12 am
I have always said if you get people to talk long enough they always tell you who they are. This fool tries his best to play the middle but he let it slip tonite.
Him and his sheet wearing buddies think it doesn’t show but they’re so damn transparent and they think they have everyone fooled. Sooner or later it always come sto light………period
March 6th, 2013 at 12:15 am
Priesttj12 Says:
This fool got the nerve to twist my words to suit his purpose………..you are one sick BIGOT!
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Say what? Oh, nevermind. i thought he said ‘BIGFOOT’
March 6th, 2013 at 12:15 am
Hiel Hitler! Purvurt…….lol
March 6th, 2013 at 12:16 am
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 am
In all earnestness, BHP, I’d refer you back to the 5 stages of grief at or around post #…nevermind. It was the last post. Here it is again, just for you;
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
The five stages of grief;
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
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Denial-Pryor is better than Palmer. Look at that 53 per cent third down conversion rate! And red zone scoring!(forget that gift blocked punt at the 11 yard line)
Anger- Ongoing and vitriolic to the point of lunacy.
Bargaining-Beginning already. At least there’s going to be an open competition for the QB position.
Depression-Will set in during OTA’s and mini camps and all other team activities before training camp and pre season, with Palmer being the QB focus.
Acceptance-Palmer plays the first quarter of 3 out of 4 pre season games because he’s the starter.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 am
“To review, Mitchell’s solid senior season at Ohio University and a spectacular Pro Day caught the eye of Davis. The Raiders picked him in the second round, while some draft analysts _ including the highly respected Mike Mayock of NFL Network _ had him as a late-round pick or free agent.”
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The “highly respected” Mike Mayock also admitted to not watching any tape on Mitchell in giving him that grade, so I don’t see how his opinion there carries any weight whatsoever.
I love Mike Mitchell. He should be our starting SS. I say he can cover well for a SS. He can help vs the run. He can hit. And he can be our emotional leader on D.
If we can trade Branch for a 3rd or 4th rounder I’d jump on that. If we can’t find a trading partner but could save a few million in cap room by cutting Branch I’d do that. It’s time for MM34 to be a starting safety.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:34 am
Dude Tj. Anger is such a heavy burden. Especially the kind of anger that one has to carry in the blogosphere. What in the world for. All this sh¡t anger would be comical if I knew you were not so serious. I never get angry when I’m driving in a crowded shopping center parking lot because I’m always looking out for crazy drivers that think they own the parking lot. I hate to say this, but you remind me of one of those drivers who thinks they own the parking lot. But you don’t. Neither do I. So I’m always courteous to other drivers. Mist people realize they don’t own the parking lot. Especially the ones who piss in the lot because they know they don’t own it and don’t give a fck. I don’t either. If you want to piss in the parking lot at a major shopping center near you, have at it. Go for it. But don’t get caught. A buddy of mine got caught a long time ago and he had a warrant out so he got it up the rear big time. He was angry about it. But that’s besides the point. You have to ask yourself, a you just a shopper looking for a place to park or do you feel you own the lot and can honk anytime you like. I know where I stand. Do you? But I will take the occasional leak now and then. But I am careful enough to avoid getting a ticket. But again I want to be clear. I don’t care one iota if you piss in the parking lot. Your choice. Not mine.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:35 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
Carson Palmer should’ve made it so there was no doubt and no chance he could be replaced by anyone.
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This is where you just don’t get it son, he did. Period.
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Gotta agree with Purvisman on this one. IMO, Palmer was our best player last season.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 am
Mr Green Says:
Well I must say we don’t breed llamas any more. Our remaining three our old and the pastures are now giving way to open fields. Do you have ranch hands or do you do all the work yourself?
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Not ranchhands as much as a neverending flow of unemployeds to pick up llamadoo and other daily stuff.If they can fix a fence or gate with mimimal oversight, great. Remarkable how rare that is. But I am a general so maybe my expectations are too high.
Shots and oral treatments and nails and wound care is all me. and the baby stuff, expecting 5 in the next 6 weeks.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:45 am
Chris in NY Says:
Gotta agree with Purvisman on this one. IMO, Palmer was our best player last season.
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Thank you, NY. Although I was taunting Priest with the son line, I was serious and I know you are not a Palmer cultist or ‘Golden Haired Hero Worshipper” so I appreciate that.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:45 am
I know that us a lot of work. I am a gc too. second state north of ca. Not as cumbersome as Cali laws. Near bullfrog road. It’s been a rewarding and yet difficult profession. Seen almost every game the Raidahs have ever played in Seattle.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 am
P-man, was that really you with the “n1gga” comment?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:01 am
Sweet Jasmines lovely tea kettle Says:
Priesttj12, once known as BlackHolePriest(pretty cool handle) was once a contraversial, inflammatory and reasonable voice here. He left for a year or two, posted on occasion at Tafur’s site, and then came back a different man. Sucks me in now and then, and your well spoken critique of his demeanor has caused me to reflect on my interractions with him. 4 or 5 beers in I can’t help but engage him.
You may not have gotten thru’ to him , but I listened. And I don’t, often.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 am
Scourge Says:
P-man, was that really you with the “n1gga” comment?
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Yes and no and which one? Context is everything and was I taken out of context?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 am
201. I understand the use but still….?!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 am
Man just watched Barry Sanders interview with Jeannette on Raiders.com, he mentioned he grew up rooting for the Raiders, he would have been awesome in Silver and Black
March 6th, 2013 at 1:19 am
WizII looks like a little kid lol
March 6th, 2013 at 1:20 am
Kool kell the ultra sensative black man threw out the ‘retard’ appellation and I think I did use it to slap him back into the real world where there are a multitude of offensive terms. Might have been over the top but I really did grow up mostly colorblind in Pasadena and it really was a loosely used word that didn’t carry the sting some try to attach to it now.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:23 am
Scourge Says: 201.
I understand the use but still….?!
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Well, damn, I explained the wrong one, and Kell absolutely needed to rethink his crap.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:34 am
Still, P-man, I’m just surprised that’s all. I just believe you’re way smarter than that. You can say whatever you want obviously. I just didn’t expect to hear (see) that one from you. Enuff said about it from me.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:47 am
Priest, on the other hand was seriously going uncle
Ruckus on us calling Reggie arrogant and over confident and riding in on his high horse and needed to be humbled and ,well, Tonedeezy observed that only certain types of people refer to black people that way and it struck me that Priest was saying exactly that but i couldn’t remember uncle Ruckuses name amd that’s that.
I’m not gonna bend over backward apologizing, did a flyby on priest and KK would’ve hammerred meif he hadn’t gotten the point.
I should not have restated it out of context. I’m old. Anybody remember Lenny Bruce? That was early sixties.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 am
Scourge Says: Still, P-man, I’m just surprised that’s all. I just believe you’re way smarter than that. You can say whatever you want obviously. I just didn’t expect to hear (see) that one from you.
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I am smarter than that. How significant the word is to me is not the point. I should have been more cognizant of it’s significance to others(kk and tj be damned).
March 6th, 2013 at 1:55 am
Like I said, you won’t hear any more about it from me at least.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:57 am
Somebuddy mentioned being a “cg” earlier. What’s a “cg”?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:59 am
Strike that. I meant to type gc. What’s a gc?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 am
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 am
general contractor?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:02 am
That’s twice I’ve offered up ‘mea culpa’s’ of a sort. I shouldn’t drink and blog. Or at least talk about Palmer, where apologies aren’t needed.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:05 am
Scourge Says:
Like I said, you won’t hear any more about it from me at least.
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Oh he11, let them bring it on. I can argue with the best of them. Or Miss Tick, if neccessary. Hah!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:08 am
P-man, don’t worry about it, it’s only a blog and no one knows who you are.
Priest was right about one thing though. When people start to drink, they tend to lose that barrier through which they monitor/screen what they’re going to say.
Well, I’m outta here. It’s 5:08 on the right coast. Good night, all
March 6th, 2013 at 2:09 am
General Contractor since ‘86 I think. Currently paid inactive. Which only costs a couple hundred every couple years. Way better than letting it lapse.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:15 am
Of course Mitchell wants to come back – he likes the money!!
March 6th, 2013 at 4:22 am
Palmer is not merely a proven loser. He has been on winning teams at times when he is surrounded by better players. Palmer does give us the best chance to win as far as we know because of the performance of Pryor so far.
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AW,
Palmer has been in the league since 2003, so he has 10 NFL seasons under his belt. He’s been to the postseason twice and he’s 0-2.
2005: Hwnrdr’s boy Kimo von Oelhoffen blew out Carson’s knee = not his fault
2009: In Palmer’s first full playoff game, he struggled. Palmer threw the ball with a 50 percent completion percentage, with 1 touchdown, 1 interception, and a 53.8 passer rating, in a 24–14 loss to the New York Jets
2010: he goes 4-12
2011: sits on the couch, in essence giving the middle finger to his coaches, teammates and Bengal fans because the owner “lied to him” – then takes a 4-2 Raiders team and finishes 8-8, missing the postseason
2012: back to 4-12 again
so please remind me what Palmer has won in the NFL. I fail to see it. I’m not saying Pryor is better than him or that he should be given the starting job. I’m just saying that we don’t know anything about him. 1 NFL start (the 1st of his career) wont tell you all you need to know about this kid. He deserves a shot and the coaches promised to give him one
this is about Palmer though, not Pryor. Palmer’s performance has nothing to do with TP. He’s just an average player on a below average team. We’re just wasting money and wasting time the longer he continues to be on the roster. CP = not the future. he’s just an expensive stopgap
March 6th, 2013 at 4:26 am
IF Palmer goes then the Geno talk will kick into overdrive for us. You know it will.
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you’re right DJG
we’ll have to rebuke it!
Pryor + Matt Moore + Kellen Clemens = QB competition. Guaranteed to win more games than Palmer (4)
March 6th, 2013 at 4:32 am
Huff’s most recent contract would make him difficult to release. He’s due $4 million in salary plus a $4 million roster bonus entering free agency, but the amount of dead money from releasing Huff would total approximately $9.5 million.
More likely, the Raiders would reduce Huff’s base salary and extend him even further into the future.
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Looks like we’re stuck with tweedle dee (Huff) & tweedle dumb (Branch) as a safety duo.
poor Reggie. he inherited 1 bum (Huff) and he made a rookie GM mistake that will haunt him with the other bum
why re-sign MM34? this better be @ vet minimum!
March 6th, 2013 at 5:26 am
Too bad Jackson is such a power hungry head case.
No wonder nobody but the Bengals wanted him.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:35 am
228.mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 am
Man just watched Barry Sanders interview with Jeannette on Raiders.com, he mentioned he grew up rooting for the Raiders, he would have been awesome in Silver and Black
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His kid is a pretty good RB in his own right. Just committed to (I think) Ok-State, his dad’s alma mater. He was heavily recruited coming out of HS. Doubt he’ll ever be his pop, but worth keeping an eye on him for sure.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:36 am
Say what you want about the pedicures and fancy suits but when Hue digs a hole Hue digs deep.
Al offered the man the GM job?
That’s deep. real deep.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:41 am
It is obvious to anyone with a clue.
This draft is all about drafting Geno Smith.
He is 1st, 2nd and 3rd on our draft board.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:42 am
From PFT this morning;
“The Bears are planning to sell the naming rights to their facility, which is currently known as Halas Hall.”
Maybe I’m a grumpy old fart, but that’s just BS. Sh*t like that should never happen.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:43 am
Hue Jax is full of sh.. and laughable that anyone would believe AD was ever going to offer him the GM job. Doesn’t change the fact his offense was run significantly better than DA’s. His ego is so big, I begin to understand now why Mark and Reggie told him to take a hike. He’s in an alternate reality. Too bad they couldn’t have gotten him a shrink and release some of the pressure on his brain and get the ego back to normal size. I’d still much rather have Hue Jax running the offense, but that is moreso a general feeling of malaise at DA running the show gettting schooled and on his steep learning curve.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:44 am
Advertising is the way of the world.
It’s how a company like google, who does not transact any business with it’s users, is worth a hundred billion dollars.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:45 am
It is obvious to anyone with a clue.
This draft is all about drafting Geno Smith.
He is 1st, 2nd and 3rd on our draft board.
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I hope not. I don’t think he’s our QB savior. I think he’s the next Marc Wilson. Not 1st, 2nd or 3rd on my board.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:47 am
254.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:44 am
Advertising is the way of the world.
It’s how a company like google, who does not transact any business with it’s users, is worth a hundred billion dollars.
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Gee, thanks for the life lesson, pops.
Doesn’t make it any more palatable, which was my point.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:47 am
You know what’s even not righter?
Oakland Alameda Coliseum nameed “Oo” after the overstock.com website that has a menopausal woman in all white camp shirt and baggy pants telling us about how you get free shipping on crap nobody needs everyday.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:48 am
People love to give Hue and the offense ALL the credit for the wins in 2010, and it is ridiculous.
Here are our points allowed in the 8 wins:
14, 27, 14, 3, 20, 13, 23, 10
That is an average of 15.5 points allowed per game in our wins.
That credit goes to Cable’s toughness he installed in the team, and really John Marshall.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:49 am
Gee, thanks for the life lesson, pops.
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Anytime
March 6th, 2013 at 5:50 am
258.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:48 am
People love to give Hue and the offense ALL the credit for the wins in 2010, and it is ridiculous.
Here are our points allowed in the 8 wins:
14, 27, 14, 3, 20, 13, 23, 10
That is an average of 15.5 points allowed per game in our wins.
That credit goes to Cable’s toughness he installed in the team, and really John Marshall.
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And Mike Waufle. I wish he had never left.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:51 am
That credit goes to Cable’s toughness he installed in the team, and really John Marshall.
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I give a lot of credit to Marshall. One day he just stopped being one of “Al’s guys” and that was it. No thank you for the 47 sack season, no thanks for keeping the games competitive in the 4th Qtr. Bye Marshall, Hello Bresnahan. UGH!
March 6th, 2013 at 5:53 am
What if Michaels Crap store got the naming rights to an NFL stadium? That’s not that different to O.o com if you ask me.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:55 am
259.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:49 am
Gee, thanks for the life lesson, pops.
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Anytime
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When it’s my turn I’ll give you some ideas about understanding context. I’ll wait ’til you’re a little older, though.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:56 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 5:57 am
Happy Aloha Humpday Hwnrdr!
March 6th, 2013 at 6:00 am
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Pelissero_Vikings_shouldnt_waste_any_time_moving_on_from_Joe_Webb030513
An interesting article. Makes me think of the Palmer/Pryor “balance” and how the overall offense is affected by having two players with such different skillsets. If they’re serious about creating something for Pryor (and not just blowing smoke) they’ll have to be careful about implementing it. I think it’s why Sparano didn’t use Tebow as much as some folks think he should have; he may have felt like it took something away from the offense as a whole.
Bears watching, anyway.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:01 am
Hue Jackson said he cried when Al died because the new will was being drawn up to name Hue the sole recipient of the Oakland Raider franchise upon Al’s death…
March 6th, 2013 at 6:04 am
Not suprised at all the Vikings would be looking to move on from Joe Webb. He was awful in his one shot at a playoff game despite having Adrian Peterson in his backfield. He wasn’t even competitive or really attmept any throws, just relying on his wheels. The Packers dared him to run and they crushed the Vikes.
It just makes the point that running QB’s without downfield accuracy and decision making skills don’t last long.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Joe Webb might be the worst QB in the NFL
March 6th, 2013 at 6:30 am
Looks like TP is going to be on PFT podcast or whatever thingy today.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:30 am
Joe Webb was terrible…
March 6th, 2013 at 6:36 am
palmer will be a cardinal in 6 days and the raiders get nothing but the bill
March 6th, 2013 at 6:37 am
palmer will be a cardinal in 6 days and the raiders get nothing but the bill
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We will get better
March 6th, 2013 at 6:41 am
Here are our points allowed in the 8 wins:
14, 27, 14, 3, 20, 13, 23, 10
That is an average of 15.5 points allowed per game in our wins.
That credit goes to Cable’s toughness he installed in the team, and really John Marshall.
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really?….cable installed toughness…..dreamland huh…..the credit for that season goes to john marshall who decided to freelance away from the al davis D and start mixing in blitz packages…..that wasnt cables toughness……he didnt INSTALL toughness…………If hue(I mean davis) kept marshall reggie would not have been able to fire hue cause we would have had 10-11 wins
March 6th, 2013 at 6:42 am
yesterday’s close was very good news for my IRA. it’s only virtual money, but it’s nice to see.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:43 am
Cable has a long history of installing toughness to teams in the NFL.
ATL, OAK, now Seattle
Everywhere he goes, teams get better.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:43 am
We will see how the unemployment numbers look on Friday, and what type of market reaction we get to that.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:45 am
40+ million in dead cap if we cut all our outta wack contracts. Sobering expectations of going after key free agents let alone our own with that kind of problem.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:45 am
palmer will be a cardinal in 6 days and the raiders get nothing but the bill
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We will get better
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what QB will that be…TP…please…..matt moore….geno or barkley
if we draft QB at #3 TP will never see the fields anyway…that guy will get the start and all the grooming
March 6th, 2013 at 6:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:43 am
Cable has a long history of installing toughness to teams in the NFL.
ATL, OAK, now Seattle
Everywhere he goes, teams get better.
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yeah…the offensive line coach was responsible for all that
March 6th, 2013 at 6:47 am
Cable has a long history of installing toughness to teams in the NFL.
ATL, OAK, now Seattle
Everywhere he goes, teams get better.
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you could argue the point that Cable made teams better, but to suggest that he had anything to do with ‘toughness’ especially on the defensive side in 2010 would be incorrect. That was all Marshall throwing up his middle finger at Al and bringing the blitzes.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:49 am
I’m getting a sinking feeling that we will end up taking Geno. And it will not be a football decision so much as a business decision.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:50 am
you could argue the point that Cable made teams better, but to suggest that he had anything to do with ‘toughness’ especially on the defensive side in 2010 would be incorrect. That was all Marshall throwing up his middle finger at Al and bringing the blitzes.
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which is why al made hue bring in a lap dog like bres as DC…….as much as I liked al davis he was a bitter feisty old man who held grudges for menial little things that were not in the best interest of winning football games
March 6th, 2013 at 6:50 am
So the HC gets no credit for how the team plays?
I would like to see you guys apply that same logic to say Mike Tomlin, or the Harbaughs.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:51 am
yeah…the offensive line coach was responsible for all that
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Well, some people try to tell me the O-line is the most important position in all of football……
March 6th, 2013 at 6:52 am
I’m getting a sinking feeling that we will end up taking Geno. And it will not be a football decision so much as a business decision.
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We WILL draft Geno, and it will be the best thing to happen to this team in about 10 years.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:53 am
John Marshall knew he was gone at seasons end, that’s why in KC that year, all the defensive players all hugged him asnd said goodbye!
March 6th, 2013 at 6:54 am
Gotta run…..
March 6th, 2013 at 6:55 am
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:49 am
I’m getting a sinking feeling that we will end up taking Geno. And it will not be a football decision so much as a business decision.
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Really?…….I don’t.
Not saying we don’t NEED to bring in another QB, but I think there are plenty QB’s in a weak draft that could wind up being pretty decent.
I don’t know why but I have a feeling Tyler Bray could be flying under the radar, or EJ Manuel. We could very well END up drafting a QB this year…. I just don’t see us spending our PRIZE pick on one.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:55 am
JFB, why do you thing Geno is the next coming of Christ? Just asking…
March 6th, 2013 at 6:55 am
Guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:49 am
I’m getting a sinking feeling that we will end up taking Geno. And it will not be a football decision so much as a business decision.
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JAX will wind up taking geno and reggie will be forced to take barkley with the #3 cause no one will trade back and we will wind up going into the season with TP, barkley and someone like kellen clemons……..raiders will go 2-14 and reggie and DA will get fired and put holmgren in as HC who will switch back to ZBS and replace the entire OL and the evil cycle will continue
March 6th, 2013 at 6:56 am
If palmer is cut loose will will spend #3 on a QB
March 6th, 2013 at 6:56 am
The HC is the ‘master coordinator’. His job is to oversee the big weekly plan that his coordinators put into place for each opponent. To give too much credit or blame is akin to thinking the President of the United States has that much clout over the economy.
It’s a field level executive spot.
For my money, the special teams coordinator has as much to do with getting the team fired up to play and execute the game plan as anyone.
The HC is responsible whether or not it’s actually his fault or the fault of his coordinators for executing the gameplan and winnning. It’s not fair and they have to know that going in.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:02 am
The cap hit for cutting Palmer is too big even if we could spread it over 2 years. Over $9 million in dead money. We’re already up against the wall with Seymour’s dead money. And then there’s TK and DHB and RoMac. I don’t see us cutting him until at least the draft is over and we see what we end up getting to replace him. I don’t see Reggie taking a chance that Jacksonville could trade the rights to Geno and be left with nothing but Pryor.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:04 am
I don’t know if we are taking Geno or not. It could happen, but I’d be mildly surprised if it did.
That said, we absolutely have to have someone in here that can compete with Pryor. Somebody’s going to have to step up when Palmer is no longer here, and I’m not at all confident that Pryor is that guy.
I can’t help seeing Pryor as Tim Tebow. Some folks are adamant that he can throw at an NFL level and cite his college performance, but I’m just not convinced (yet).
People say that Tebow can’t execute an NFL passing offense, and he was far and away a better passer in college than Pryor was.
I’d be WAY more comfortable with a Matt Moore or someone of that nature in here for insurance.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:05 am
just sign up in branch did lifetime deals.. brilliant
March 6th, 2013 at 7:06 am
Huff & branch..
March 6th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Hue Jackson is a well-known, back-stabbing liar.
You don’t be productive, yet float through 6, SIX!!!!, NFL organizations in 11 years without having no couth.
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Well all I can say is he proved how bad he would be at GM with that “greatest trade in football.”
March 6th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Sounds like ppl are starting to realize that guards don’t go in the top 3
March 6th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Dead money is the ripple effect of Al’s crazy contracts and the solution seems to be just keep the wave going until it peeters out someday. This could take awhile.
Do we continue to pragmatically kick the can down the road and sign lesser talented players till then?
..or do we take our bitter medicine in one gulp, or as fast as possible?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Another gem from the Jamarcus Russell School of Personal Accountability;
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/vince-young-i-was-the-victim-i-was-taken-advantage-of/
March 6th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Edward Teach Says:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/vince-young-i-was-the-victim-i-was-taken-advantage-of/
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Longhorns are pathological liars. They never put their issues behind them. Ricky Williams, anyone?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:24 am
Guest
That is why I have said this is a 3-5 year rebuilding project starting when Reggie and DA took over.
The cap issues and lack of picks in 2012 and 2013 are unprecedented in the history of the NFL in the cap era.
NO NFL TEAM HAS EVER HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS.
Compound that with having to overhaul a medieval scouting department that did not even have computers in 2012 and you have a major multi year project.
Throw in some injuries on a 2012 team already thin on talent and still grossly overpaid and you have 4-12.
The clowns that keep talking about drafting WR’s with our high picks or firing Reggie and DA need to educate themselves on our unique reality.
We will build the lines through the draft and continue to rid ourselves of bad contracts.
Next up; DHB, Kelly and Palmer.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:24 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/jarvis-moss-joins-the-draft-bust-comeback-trail-too/
re-sign JMoss @ vet min ??
March 6th, 2013 at 7:26 am
Do we continue to pragmatically kick the can down the road and sign lesser talented players till then?
..or do we take our bitter medicine in one gulp, or as fast as possible?
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Always the debacle………What if taking that big gulp Knocks you into a Fu*kin COMA for an unknown amount of time….Dead to the world
And kicking the can down the road is not at ALL fun, or sexy, or even appealing but……What if you still had a puncher’s chance; then you look at the dude in the coma and feel a little better about yourself.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:27 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/carson-palmer-isnt-sure-what-will-happen-in-oakland/
“Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
Palmer
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prove it, Ginger!
2-years $16 million with this year’s $8 mil salary fully guaranteed. take that or get the heck out!!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Mark
Most NFL teams do let thier line deteriorate the way the Raiders did over the last ten years.
We have three lgit NFL starting lineman in Veld, Houston and Wiz.
When you are in that situation you do whatever is necessary to build your lines.
Our top pick will be the best available Olineman.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:30 am
2-years $16 million with this year’s $8 mil salary fully guaranteed. take that or get the heck out!!
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@RRS,
So you like the golden hair hero! you really do!!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:31 am
We will build the lines through the draft and continue to rid ourselves of bad contracts.
Next up; DHB, Kelly and Palmer.
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@ Charlie. You say next up as if that were on the horizon. It’s going to take years to phase out our bad contracts and some of the guys you say are next up are probably going to stick around for awhile. Better buckle up the chinstraps.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:33 am
I know we will be building the lines. But we wont be taking a guard at 3. Nor will anyone trade up to grab a guard at 3.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:33 am
re-sign JMoss @ vet min ??
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street FA camp body with no signing bonus. give him limited per diem and day wages.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:36 am
I would trash this year and take the pill. we’re going to be lucky if we’re not last place in the West. I don’t understand keeping any vets. Trade trade trade cut cut cut. Singing the brisels and huffs of the world wont help..
March 6th, 2013 at 7:37 am
If palmer is cut loose we will spend #3 on a QB
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Otto,
I hope you’re dead wrong. Pryor is the young development QB on the roster. We don’t need 2 of them.
If Palmer is cut loose I got think we replace him with 2 vets. Probably both with some starting experience who don’t cost much in free agency
None of the vets will be named Russell, Campbell, Gradkowski, Leinart or Boller.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:38 am
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Dead money is the ripple effect of Al’s crazy contracts and the solution seems to be just keep the wave going until it peeters out someday. This could take awhile.
Do we continue to pragmatically kick the can down the road and sign lesser talented players till then?
..or do we take our bitter medicine in one gulp, or as fast as possible?
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I would love to trade Palmer for a 2nd round pick in NEXT YEAR’S draft.
Cut Kelly and Seymour(or let him play out last year of contract if they have to)along with other high priced overvalued players.
Then, after a tough season in 2013, they would be in a position with a high 1st, a couple of 2nd, and a full draft to go with being under the cap enough to sign some real talent in free agency in 2014.
Don’t know if any of that would work, but I say purge now and set themselves up for the future.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Namdi getting the ax today
March 6th, 2013 at 7:41 am
I would love to trade Palmer for a 2nd round pick in NEXT YEAR’S draft.
Cut Kelly and Seymour(or let him play out last year of contract if they have to)along with other high priced overvalued players.
Then, after a tough season in 2013, they would be in a position with a high 1st, a couple of 2nd, and a full draft to go with being under the cap enough to sign some real talent in free agency in 2014.
Don’t know if any of that would work, but I say purge now and set themselves up for the future.
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Lets all get aboard the two win season train! Woot woot!
Losing creates winners! Just read this forum!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:42 am
why would we sign Bryce cell and branch and Huff and see more
March 6th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Buwahahaha! AJ Smith is now an Exec in NY???
March 6th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Woops..
Why would reg bìtch about our cap situation one day then hamstring us with new deals on brisel, huff, branch.. new policy nobody gets a new long deal until the cap is right.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:45 am
Gdog
We at best are winning 7 games next year.
Too many holes and not enough draft picks to fix them
We must build through the draft beacuse of our cap issues. We can try a few moderately priced FA’s but about all you get in that reagard are usually Tollefson,Spencer and Bartell types.
We were very fortunate with Wheeler. Perhaps Brisiel can rebound from injury.
Very bad situation that was created by a decade of HORRIBLE DRAFTS AND OVERPAYING FOR FA’S like Kelly.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:45 am
Funny…Nnamdi and Revis both on the market at the same time! 2 years ago, Al would have been licking his drool!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:27 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/carson-palmer-isnt-sure-what-will-happen-in-oakland/
“Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
Palmer
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prove it, Ginger!
2-years $16 million with this year’s $8 mil salary fully guaranteed. take that or get the heck out!!
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Palmer has all the cards. If he “gets the heck out” who is the Q? Matt Moore?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:46 am
BACK
Seymour is already gone. Never coming back. Probably out of the NFL.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Aj was pretty good drafting for sd..
March 6th, 2013 at 7:47 am
4 wins is not holding all the cards imo
March 6th, 2013 at 7:47 am
So you like the golden hair hero! you really do!!
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@GMoney
he’s not the root of all evil, but he’s still a part of the problem – not the solution.
he’s an expensive stopgap. If he cuts that contract in half, I’m cool with him staying. Are we gonna be a winner under him? Probably not, but Pryor apparently loves the guy and so do Mark, Reggie & Dennis
good ole boy network in Oakland. Plus Palmer is a Cali product and probably knows if he gets traded to Buffalo he ain’t winning any additional games there
Wouldn’t be surprised to see him lobby to be traded to AZ where he’d be connected with offensive guru Bruce Arians and have Larry Fitz to chuck it to … gets to stay close to the West Coast
March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 am
If you need one “overpaid” player it is at QB.
He has far too much potential impact on the team.
It is why we will draft an Olineman and try to get the most out of Dmac and Palmer. It is why we have Saprano.
The best defense is a good offense so we help the defense by default building the Oline.
We then draft a DT with our third round pick and a DB after that.
No real help on the FA front. Jenkins is another 32 year old FA that has little left. If we sign him it most likely means Kelly is cut and we need to deal with all that dead money. Jenkins is a very short term idea.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:52 am
have you ever seen a chef burn something and then just scoop a little of the burnt part out and reuse the cruddy pan to keep cooking dinner? Code clean pan
March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Palmer has all the cards. If he “gets the heck out” who is the Q? Matt Moore?
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SeyGlenn,
why not?
I’m cool with Moore or Cassel competing with Pryor for the starting job. Then maybe another backup like Stanton or Grossman joining the QB derby
no matter how you slice it.. we’re saving money and winning more than 4 ballgames
March 6th, 2013 at 7:54 am
327.Charlie Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 am
If you need one “overpaid” player it is at QB.
He has far too much potential impact on the team.
It is why we will draft an Olineman and try to get the most out of Dmac and Palmer. It is why we have Saprano.
The best defense is a good offense so we help the defense by default building the Oline.
We then draft a DT with our third round pick and a DB after that.
No real help on the FA front. Jenkins is another 32 year old FA that has little left. If we sign him it most likely means Kelly is cut and we need to deal with all that dead money. Jenkins is a very short term idea.
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I thnk we hired Sparano to get the most out of what we have now, with maybe some depth taken later. I’d be surprised if Reggie went anything other than defense with our first pick (whenever it turns out to be).
March 6th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Report: Eagles to cut Asomugha today
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Welcome home nnamdi, we missed you.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:57 am
he’s not the root of all evil, but he’s still a part of the problem – not the solution.
he’s an expensive stopgap. If he cuts that contract in half, I’m cool with him staying. Are we gonna be a winner under him? Probably not
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agree about him being an expensive stopgap. now that we all have the blinders off and realize the kool aid from last year was tainted, that the team is in the process of being gutted from what little talent it has left to get out of cap hell…
We are left with a perfectly capable at worst pedestrian journeyman QB who is in fact overpaid. But if we had the right pieces on this team, I have no doubt that Carson could take us far. But he’s caught in no mand land. By the time Reggie assembles quality talent around him, the rest of his ‘prime’ years if you want to call them that will be gone.
Carson is our best shot in the short term. But he’s a caretaker till we are ready to compete. Not his fault he got traded here. Not his fault he signed a crazy deal in Cincy. Not his fault that the Raiders cap situation is a no-win situation. Please just stop demonizing him for that. not his fault.
But yes I am fully with you on wanting him to take a drastic paycut along with a restructure that spreads the cap hit.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:00 am
15 mil… wtf were they thinking?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Palmer has all the cards. If he “gets the heck out” who is the Q? Matt Moore?
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SeyGlenn,
why not?
I’m cool with Moore or Cassel competing with Pryor for the starting job. Then maybe another backup like Stanton or Grossman joining the QB derby
no matter how you slice it.. we’re saving money and winning more than 4 ballgames
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I’m offended by the names Stanton, Grossman,and Cassel being named in the same sentence as the Raiders.
Signing anyone of those guys is a great way to ensure being a bottom dweller.
Moore-Good backup. The rest are as you would say “hot garbage”.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:01 am
The best defense is a good offense
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Charlie,
so remind me again why we need to keep a turnover machine at QB who can’t convert 3rd downs or produce TD’s in the redzone.
I’m beginning to think Condo, Seabass & Shane are worth every penny as often as they’re used!
btw, the O-Line problems died with Knapp & Pollack.
Olson & Sparano = problems solved.
Barnes & Carlisle will be re-signed to 1-year vet min contracts and Willie Smith will be shown the door.
Parsons will be the backup C. Nix will backup both guard spots. Bergs will backup both tackle spots
March 6th, 2013 at 8:02 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:55 am
JFB, why do you thing Geno is the next coming of Christ? Just asking…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Because Te’O is no longer an option at #3.
Chico’s predictions are amusing.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:02 am
Teach
I liked the idea of a DT with our first pick and I agree we need massive help on the Dline as well.
I just think that building the Oline first gets us better faster in that our D is helped by default if the offense is moving the chains and scoring points.
I see your point about Sparano but my thinking is he does not come here if it is just the same basic cast of characters.
He is a Parcells disciple of power blocking smash mouth football. Carlisle and Barnes are gone. IF Bergstrom fills one of those holes we still need an immediate starter and it would be with our first round pick. We will not go the FA route for an Olineman given what is availble and our cap situation.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:02 am
so remind me again why we need to keep a turnover machine at QB who can’t convert 3rd downs or produce TD’s in the redzone.
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our WR’s are hot trash!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Much more likely namdi lands in sf.. we have no money and we are losers once again.. dont look for a top fa singing.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am
While it would cost a lot of dead money to release Mike Huff, the moral boost it would provide can’t be counted in dollar figures.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Charlie Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:45 am
Gdog
We at best are winning 7 games next year.
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Why is this considered “common knowledge” here? We won 8 games two years in a row with QBs _WORSE_ than CP. We nearly had to give games away by laying down in the middle of the field to AVOID the playoffs in 2011.
Why does nine wins seem so impossible to you folks?
It baffles me.
Build winners through LOSING! Its the new Raiders way!
Do you guys read the stuff you type? After you send it does it make you feel better about yourself as a fan?
“We suck so we just as well quit!!…”
Boy that really fires me up every day I come here!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Right now the best free agent Q’s on the market are Jason Campbell and Matt Leinert. Have any of you heard of those guys?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Rams went from 2-14 to 7-8-1 in one year. Hey anything is possible.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Rams have a real HC with experience in the NFL. We have an inexperienced HC with tits.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Much more likely namdi lands in sf.. we have no money and we are losers once again.. dont look for a top fa singing.
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Thats the attitude I love here!
We suck and all is lost…. so I come here and repeat it three hundred times a day.
I think I get it. You are a self-hating Raider fan so you come here to make sure everyone else hates themselves too.
I get it. You made your point. All is lost. We suck. Your work is done…
March 6th, 2013 at 8:07 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Palmer has all the cards. If he “gets the heck out” who is the Q? Matt Moore?
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SeyGlenn,
why not?
I’m cool with Moore or Cassel competing with Pryor for the starting job. Then maybe another backup like Stanton or Grossman joining the QB derby
no matter how you slice it.. we’re saving money and winning more than 4 ballgames
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I’m offended by the names Stanton, Grossman,and Cassel being named in the same sentence as the Raiders.
Signing anyone of those guys is a great way to ensure being a bottom dweller.
Moore-Good backup. The rest are as you would say “hot garbage”.
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OK so we have gotten rid of our best Q in a decade, we now have proven losers on the roster, we are going to lose games, but we free up money and we are going to have plenty of draft picks. But good free agents are not going to want to come here, so we have to develop players particularly at the Q position which we have demonstrated we CANNOT do. Not seeing a lot of logic here.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:07 am
344.Raider O Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Rams have a real HC with experience in the NFL. We have an inexperienced HC with tits.
And a monkey…lol
March 6th, 2013 at 8:07 am
Id take a chance on barden from the giants. Big wr.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
RR
As I said in my 337 post we have two massive holes on the Oline right now.
MAYBE Bergstrom fills one.
That leaves another big hole.
Sparano and Olson are not miracle workers. That has been the problem with Oakland for the last decade.
Coaches are not the problem. We lack talent.
9-51 against playoff teams for the last ten years losing by an average score of 30-13.
We can not compete on the line of scrimmage.
We get pummelled by Baltimore 55-20 last season with Lewis and Ngata yukking it up on the sidelines.
That is how big a gap we have and it all starts with the line of scrimmage.
Our lines are terrible.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
I hate Titty Monkey who is a wishy washy SOB.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Report: Eagles to cut Asomugha today
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he’s still out of our price range imo
we’re gonna have to draft a few kids to compete with Adams, Ross, Chekwa and maybe Hanson
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Rams have a real HC with experience in the NFL. We have an inexperienced HC with tits.
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too early in the morning to be hit so hard over the head with a dose of reality. please allow me to dream.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:09 am
LOL Hwnrdr.
It was coming. You are too fast.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
Welcome home nnamdi, we missed you.
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No thanks. Most overrated CB in the history of the NFL. Anyway, looks like the reporter jumped the gun. Eagles denying.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:10 am
I’m sorry Guest. You are right bro, anything is possible.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:11 am
I like the Idea of signing Nnamdi if the price is right.
He can play CB/ FS.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Charlie Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
RR
As I said in my 337 post we have two massive holes on the Oline right now.
MAYBE Bergstrom fills one.
That leaves another big hole.
Sparano and Olson are not miracle workers. That has been the problem with Oakland for the last decade.
Coaches are not the problem. We lack talent.
9-51 against playoff teams for the last ten years losing by an average score of 30-13.
We can not compete on the line of scrimmage.
We get pummelled by Baltimore 55-20 last season with Lewis and Ngata yukking it up on the sidelines.
That is how big a gap we have and it all starts with the line of scrimmage.
Our lines are terrible.
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Charlie, I appreciate your stats like 9-51 against playoff teams and the Raiders losing by an average score of 30-13 stat, but you are being a little repetitive. Kind of like a guy with the intials KK if you know what I mean.
Your better than that.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Wow dense… you don’t win by losing. But if we don’t cut the fat. AKA these horrible overpaid losers. We won’t be contenders. you can start cutting these guys now, next year, 5 years from now… when do you want to really be contenders? we are polishing a turd does anyone get that? we need to start over with a core of young stars who can put us into contention for a Superbowl.. I am NOT interesting in filling all the pot holes in the road and contending for mediocrity for another 10 yrs.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am
351.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Report: Eagles to cut Asomugha today
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he’s still out of our price range imo
we’re gonna have to draft a few kids to compete with Adams, Ross, Chekwa and maybe Hanson
Just seen that Philly is denying that!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:15 am
I’m offended by the names Stanton, Grossman,and Cassel being named in the same sentence as the Raiders.
Signing anyone of those guys is a great way to ensure being a bottom dweller.
Moore-Good backup. The rest are as you would say “hot garbage”.
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HB,
I understand. I know everybody hates to admit this, but the Raiders are already in “hot garbage” status with Palmer. Which explains why we have the 3rd overall draft pick, why we’re interested in drafting Smith or Barkley and why we’re exploring our current QB situation (ie paycut for Palmer, Pryor possibly starting)
Palmer isn’t winning anymore games than the QB’s I listed. It’s time to move on
March 6th, 2013 at 8:15 am
353.Raider O Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:09 am
LOL Hwnrdr.
It was coming. You are too fast.
LOL, I know
March 6th, 2013 at 8:18 am
I wouldn’t sign Nnamdi to a big contract but a fair one.
He is still guaranteed 4 mill from the Eagles. I don’t think it is out of the realm of possiblilty he comes back for a reasonable deal. It would actually be a good move for him to resurrect his career because he wouldn’t have such as spotlight on himself and could just go out and play without such high expectations and do what he does best, cover a mofo.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:19 am
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Much more likely namdi lands in sf.. we have no money and we are losers once again.. dont look for a top fa singing.
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Thats the attitude I love here!
We suck and all is lost…. so I come here and repeat it three hundred times a day.
I think I get it. You are a self-hating Raider fan so you come here to make sure everyone else hates themselves too.
I get it. You made your point. All is lost. We suck. Your work is done…
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The first step to recovery is admitting we s-u-c-k!!!!
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:20 am
I don’t understand the rationale behind this we can’t develop a wide receiver or quarterback stuff. if you invest the time, picks and coaching, I’m pretty sure we can develop whatever position we want..
March 6th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Bottom lip and Denise couldnt lace Hue Jacksons boots.Hue is fkn vince Lombardi compared to these two shysters.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Wow dense… you don’t win by losing. But if we don’t cut the fat. AKA these horrible overpaid losers. We won’t be contenders. you can start cutting these guys now, next year, 5 years from now… when do you want to really be contenders? we are polishing a turd does anyone get that? we need to start over with a core of young stars who can put us into contention for a Superbowl.. I am NOT interesting in filling all the pot holes in the road and contending for mediocrity for another 10 yrs.
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There are plenty of teams that toiled around 8 wins for many seasons and stuck one 4 win season in there and then became champions. Balt for one. There are NO TEAMS that lost their way to the top. The teams that keep going backwards end up in the sewer perpetually. Look at Detroit. Thats what you want us to become??
No thanx… I want to try and get THIS TEAM to 8 or 9 wins again so we don’t just throw the two 8-8 seasons down the toilet.
Obviously people with optimism piss you off. You can’t stand it can you?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:21 am
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:57 am
he’s not the root of all evil, but he’s still a part of the problem – not the solution.
he’s an expensive stopgap. If he cuts that contract in half, I’m cool with him staying. Are we gonna be a winner under him? Probably not
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agree about him being an expensive stopgap. now that we all have the blinders off and realize the kool aid from last year was tainted, that the team is in the process of being gutted from what little talent it has left to get out of cap hell…
We are left with a perfectly capable at worst pedestrian journeyman QB who is in fact overpaid. But if we had the right pieces on this team, I have no doubt that Carson could take us far. But he’s caught in no mand land. By the time Reggie assembles quality talent around him, the rest of his ‘prime’ years if you want to call them that will be gone.
Carson is our best shot in the short term. But he’s a caretaker till we are ready to compete. Not his fault he got traded here. Not his fault he signed a crazy deal in Cincy. Not his fault that the Raiders cap situation is a no-win situation. Please just stop demonizing him for that. not his fault.
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This is a joke, right?? Please explain to me why it’s “not his fault he got traded here”.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Palmer has been in the league since 2003, so he has 10 NFL seasons under his belt. He’s been to the postseason twice and he’s 0-2.
2005: Hwnrdr’s boy Kimo von Oelhoffen blew out Carson’s knee = not his fault
2009: In Palmer’s first full playoff game, he struggled. Palmer threw the ball with a 50 percent completion percentage, with 1 touchdown, 1 interception, and a 53.8 passer rating, in a 24–14 loss to the New York Jets
2010: he goes 4-12
2011: sits on the couch, in essence giving the middle finger to his coaches, teammates and Bengal fans because the owner “lied to him” – then takes a 4-2 Raiders team and finishes 8-8, missing the postseason
2012: back to 4-12 again
so please remind me what Palmer has won in the NFL. I fail to see it. I’m not saying Pryor is better than him or that he should be given the starting job. I’m just saying that we don’t know anything about him. 1 NFL start (the 1st of his career) wont tell you all you need to know about this kid. He deserves a shot and the coaches promised to give him one
this is about Palmer though, not Pryor. Palmer’s performance has nothing to do with TP. He’s just an average player on a below average team. We’re just wasting money and wasting time the longer he continues to be on the roster. CP = not the future. he’s just an expensive stopgap
March 6th, 2013 at 8:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:15 am
I’m offended by the names Stanton, Grossman,and Cassel being named in the same sentence as the Raiders.
Signing anyone of those guys is a great way to ensure being a bottom dweller.
Moore-Good backup. The rest are as you would say “hot garbage”.
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HB,
I understand. I know everybody hates to admit this, but the Raiders are already in “hot garbage” status with Palmer. Which explains why we have the 3rd overall draft pick, why we’re interested in drafting Smith or Barkley and why we’re exploring our current QB situation (ie paycut for Palmer, Pryor possibly starting)
Palmer isn’t winning anymore games than the QB’s I listed. It’s time to move on
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I’m guessing you don’t even want to entertain the fact that Palmer and the offense could be much better now that Knapp is a Donk?
Palmer certainly isn’t our future but if he takes a decent paycut let’s give him a chance. 2014 I expect a new young QB under center for the Raiders.
I still want to see what Pryor does in preseason and early season red zone packages. Maybe he will earn a spot.
I’m open, as you should be.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:22 am
The first step to recovery is admitting we s-u-c-k!!!!
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
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Yup.. I think I get that. Why don’t you all hold hands and jump off a bridge together?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:22 am
mitchell needs to be back…keep some talent its our only hope…shrek cant fvck this up too can he?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Palmer isn’t winning anymore games than the QB’s I listed. It’s time to move on
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not yet it isn’t. we need another year to absorb the cap hit and take our medicine from different spoons. patience.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:24 am
do you think cancer patients are self hating just because they feel like cutting the cancer out and getting on with some recovery? Or should they just put a bandaid on the tumors popping out of their forehead and pretend everything is fine? Mmmmmmm kooool aiiid 16-0 weeeeee!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:24 am
we have the 3rd pverall pick because of opie and shrek….
March 6th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Listening to these people bash Palmer reminds me why THE DUMBEST FOOTBALL FANS IN THE WORLD ARE ON THIS BLOG!!! Palmer is our best option.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Much more likely namdi lands in sf.. we have no money and we are losers once again.. dont look for a top fa singing.
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Thats the attitude I love here!
We suck and all is lost…. so I come here and repeat it three hundred times a day.
I think I get it. You are a self-hating Raider fan so you come here to make sure everyone else hates themselves too.
I get it. You made your point. All is lost. We suck. Your work is done…
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Gdog,
Alot of people -myself included- go through the same stages of grief after a bad season
Denial – No way, this ain’t real
Anger – This is Fu*kin BULLSH*T, Gawd Damn Everything
Bargaining – well if this, what if that (excuse making)
Depression – We just suck and there ain’t no light at the end of the tunnel
Acceptance – Being completely objective and unbiased, Understanding exactly what went down, and why it happened that way.
*These stages can happen in any order, and repeat many times before conclusion. It’s a LONG offseason, and I’m fairly certain that Brother’s and Sisters of the Nation will be Brimming with enthusiazm and “Camel Bak’s” full of cool-aid before the season starts anew, ready to live and die every Sunday…..The circle will begin again.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Please explain to me why it’s “not his fault he got traded here”.
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Debo,
I agree with you. Carson could have just stayed retired. After all “he didn’t need the money” , right?
He embraced the trade and STILL says he’d like to stay in Oakland. Palmer does nothing but praise his RB’s, FB, WR’s & TE’s … even OLine – the same supporting cast every Raider fan calls “hot garbage” and he takes the blame for those turnovers at the end of games
he says he wants to stay in OAK and “compete” which tells me he knows his play has slipped of late
March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am
excuse me donkey allen and shrek…
March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Palmer certainly isn’t our future but if he takes a decent paycut let’s give him a chance
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HB,
I agree with this
March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Its about the cap gdog.. get real
March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 am
if cut we’ll see if how bad nnamdi wants to be in oakland, if he’ll take the same or less money than he’s offered elsewhere, bring him back
March 6th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Raider
I guess I get repetitive because I would like to win sooner than later and I hear some on this blog continuing to want to make the same mistakes we have made for the last decade.
The fact is winning football starts with line play.
Olines create time and space and Dlines destroy time and space.
Skill guys and Db’s simply fill in the time and space allotted to them.
I know we need a good QB but a good QB is rendered rather ineefective with no running game while trying to pass looking out of his earhole.
Build your core through the draft especially on the line of scrimmage.
In the meantime you can use a free agent here and there to buy time till you draft the right guy or let the right guy develop.
Once in a long while will you get a free agent that is a big difference maker (Gannon) and that usually happens when the team releasing the player has a perceived surplus of talent at the position (Grbac). Again, that will only happen when the rest of the base (Oline) is in place.
As a rule free agents are “free” for a reason (injury history, attitude issues, high salary demands etc.) and rarely if ever produce up to their contracts.
On a percentage basis, young hungry rookies with the salary cap in place are much better values.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:29 am
oakfshow Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Listening to these people bash Palmer reminds me why THE DUMBEST FOOTBALL FANS IN THE WORLD ARE ON THIS BLOG!!! Palmer is our best option.
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Blscht! He’s our best option if we want to go 4-12 again. We should dump that dude within the hour and pray that the Jets haven’t signed Garrard yet.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:30 am
CP = not the future. he’s just an expensive stopgap
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Let’s see…Carson’s not the future..so what does that have to do with TP being the ‘future’? TP may pan actually pan out, but it will be because of having Carson working with him. That’s the intagible part of Carson’s value. you aren’t giving enough credit to Carson for coaching young TP up. Carson’s been a great mentor. Allow him that.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Gannon on Sirius discussing the Raiders right now sounds almost exactly like me. He’s talking about other teams meeting to replace the carpet or drapes while Oakland needs to replace the plumbing the walls the roof the electrical… and we’re broke.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:31 am
theghostronin79 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Much more likely namdi lands in sf.. we have no money and we are losers once again.. dont look for a top fa singing.
>>>>
Thats the attitude I love here!
We suck and all is lost…. so I come here and repeat it three hundred times a day.
I think I get it. You are a self-hating Raider fan so you come here to make sure everyone else hates themselves too.
I get it. You made your point. All is lost. We suck. Your work is done…
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Gdog,
Alot of people -myself included- go through the same stages of grief after a bad season
Denial – No way, this ain’t real
Anger – This is Fu*kin BULLSH*T, Gawd Damn Everything
Bargaining – well if this, what if that (excuse making)
Depression – We just suck and there ain’t no light at the end of the tunnel
Acceptance – Being completely objective and unbiased, Understanding exactly what went down, and why it happened that way.
*These stages can happen in any order, and repeat many times before conclusion. It’s a LONG offseason, and I’m fairly certain that Brother’s and Sisters of the Nation will be Brimming with enthusiazm and “Camel Bak’s” full of cool-aid before the season starts anew, ready to live and die every Sunday…..The circle will begin again.
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You remind me of a beaten wife. You stay for the abuse because it is what you are used to?
I mean seriously. This IS supposed to be entertainment right? Coming every day and telling everyone how miserable you are because your team sucks and never will get better is a salve to you or something???
I don’t get it and never will.
Oh well.. I will try to fit in. WE SUCK SO WE JUST AS WELL DUMP PALMER!!! TWO WINS BABY!!! THATS HOW WE BUILD CHAMPIONS!!!
Happy now?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Palmer is our best option
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show,
answer comment #368 plz
March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am
313.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:37 am
If palmer is cut loose we will spend #3 on a QB
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Otto,
I hope you’re dead wrong. Pryor is the young development QB on the roster. We don’t need 2 of them.
If Palmer is cut loose I got think we replace him with 2 vets. Probably both with some starting experience who don’t cost much in free agency
None of the vets will be named Russell, Campbell, Gradkowski, Leinart or Boller.
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Well, it would be nice to have a young QB who can THROW a football. Just sayin.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am
drastically reduced salaries for everyone!..
March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Yeah GDOG…whatever 79 says!!!
Lol…c’mon man, you telling me we’re contenders? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that chit out!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:34 am
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/5/4066292/oakland-raiders-punter-lechler-interested-in-houston-texans-job
March 6th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Its about the cap gdog.. get real
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So we should QUIT!!
Yup.. thats the way all teams build a championship!
You heard it here folks… no reason to even lay next season because of the cap!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Trades for everyone!!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:35 am
267.bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:01 am
Hue Jackson said he cried when Al died because the new will was being drawn up to name Hue the sole recipient of the Oakland Raider franchise upon Al’s death…
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lmao….
March 6th, 2013 at 8:36 am
I think you missed my point G….Attitudes change daily, but the closer we get to the season there will be more excited folks on the blog. I’m gonna wait till free agency and the draft are BOTH over, before I start getting too excited or PISSED about anything right now. I’m just chillin’ and watchin’…Pop in here to say something once in awhile.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:36 am
did kelly take a paycut or is he gone yet? what about dhb, huff, branch, palmer? lotta work to do
March 6th, 2013 at 8:36 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Please explain to me why it’s “not his fault he got traded here”.
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Debo,
I agree with you. Carson could have just stayed retired. After all “he didn’t need the money” , right?
He embraced the trade and STILL says he’d like to stay in Oakland. Palmer does nothing but praise his RB’s, FB, WR’s & TE’s … even OLine – the same supporting cast every Raider fan calls “hot garbage” and he takes the blame for those turnovers at the end of games
he says he wants to stay in OAK and “compete” which tells me he knows his play has slipped of late
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He definitely knows it. Reading his words though, I’m wondering if he’s already decided he’s not taking the cut and knows he’s gone. Like you said, he’s already retired once. With $80 million in the bank, is it really worth it to him to come back, especially if he has to compete with Pryor? I can’t say I’d blame him if he said no to a pay cut.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:36 am
r8eray Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Yeah GDOG…whatever 79 says!!!
Lol…c’mon man, you telling me we’re contenders? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that chit out!
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Ok ok…. I GET IT!!!
We need to QUIT!! Lets pack it in folks! 2013 is over already over. We LOST! Lets pack it in!
My bad thinking we can make the playoffs next year.
I will just run along as the village idiot!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:37 am
YOU said we should quit. I am saying we need to fix cut or trade every bad deal. Its a rebuild. Theres a cap.. get real..
March 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am
Carson’s not the future..so what does that have to do with TP being the ‘future’? TP may pan actually pan out, but it will be because of having Carson working with him. That’s the intagible part of Carson’s value. you aren’t giving enough credit to Carson for coaching young TP up. Carson’s been a great mentor. Allow him that.
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@GMoney
I don’t deny that Carson has been an awesome mentor to Pryor, just like Jon Kitna was for him.
My question is, is a vet mentor worth $13-16 million per? You can’t find one cheaper than that?
I think Pryor is responsible for Pryor. His main resources are Olson, Flip & Saunders. If a vet QB can come in and help him as Palmer has since he’s been in Oakland – great! but ultimately Carson has nothing to do with Terrelle panning out or flopping imo
March 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am
Every year I have hopes that the Raiders will have a great year! Many were blinded by the fact that Al really reached and spent a lot the last 20 or so years! Loved Al…he was the one that made me a die hard! However, I didn’t always agree with what he did!
But with that said…it’s SuperBowl or friggen BUST every year for me!
March 6th, 2013 at 8:42 am
but don’t worry Gdog. its gonna go down just the way you want it to. Reggie is floundering he doesn’t know what system he wants all he knows is he wants to win now he’s going to keep the cap right at the limit he’s playing it just the way al used to, and we’re not getting out of cap hell anytime soon. you will get your wish of seeing us compete with Kansas City for the cellar instead of admitting where we are and starting over with a fresh team and lots of cap space in a couple yrs.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:46 am
He definitely knows it. Reading his words though, I’m wondering if he’s already decided he’s not taking the cut and knows he’s gone. Like you said, he’s already retired once. With $80 million in the bank, is it really worth it to him to come back, especially if he has to compete with Pryor? I can’t say I’d blame him if he said no to a pay cut.
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I think it depends on his motives. Does he still want to play, and how bad? It’s hard for competitors to hang up their gloves or cleats. Dudes retire and come back all the time.
Does he believe in his heart he can beat Pryor? Does he want to risk LOSING to the kid and end his career as a back-up?
Does he want to play bad enough to re-locate another time, and how much would that be worth?
I’m sure he missed football, but I’m also sure he didn’t come back for a “Pay-Day”.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:46 am
shrek doesnt want to win now…he is on a nine year plan…
March 6th, 2013 at 8:47 am
People are choosing to look at the strictly negative side.
There’s is plenty of ammunition for those that are convinced we will suck in 2013.
I can make a case for why EVERY team in the league will suck in 2013.
Patriots: “Let’s face it. Brady hasn’t won schytt in years. He’s a loser. Losing at home to Baltimore was a sure sign they are done. Now Brady’s a year older…he’ll be 37 this season, he’s regressing now. Best to just cut bait with him and rebuild with Mallett. Their defense improved but is still basically average, so New England is best to just cut Brady now and rebuild for a few years”. “They’re done”.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:48 am
We changed OC, ST and o-line coaches….all upgrades imo.
We have a couple picks in this draft that can be used to get a better talent on the o-line, d-line or at CB.
We are in a better cap situation so we should be able to sign a free agent or two.
Our defense was supposedly better at the end of the year (I am not a believer, but I will drink the cool aid for now).
If we can upgrade the #1 WR, get Ford back and healthy, sign a new RT (or draft a LT and move JV there), sign a decent LBer…..I think we can be competitive and at least go after the Wild Card.
I am usually the pessimistic one in here, but most of you people want us to cut Palmer and start Pryor to tank next season.
What the hell?
Greg Knapp really destroyed everyone’s view of the talent on our team.
I still have my doubts about DA and Tarver, so I am just cautiously optimistic at this point.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Namdi to denver could happen too.. try not to shìt yourselves.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:49 am
@ 4-12 there is nothing but negative man…
March 6th, 2013 at 8:50 am
404.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:46 am
shrek doesnt want to win now…he is on a nine year plan…
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So you think he wants to lose his job? He knows he only has a year or two to get this team looking competitive again. Hell, Mark is already searching for people to put above him.
Get real.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:50 am
defense was better because of man covg and they werent even that good at it…
March 6th, 2013 at 8:50 am
People are choosing to look at the strictly negative side.
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Because that’s easy….. It’s way harder to be “Objective, and Un-biased” about the team you BLEED for, and are a complete homer and hard Core Fan for.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:50 am
Just saw on CNN that Oblahblahblah offered Hue the VP job, but he was busy at the time and had to decline.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:51 am
405. Maybe not the best example
March 6th, 2013 at 8:51 am
oh i think shrek nows he is on the hot seat…i just think he doesnt know how to win….
March 6th, 2013 at 8:52 am
412.bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:50 am
Just saw on CNN that Oblahblahblah offered Hue the VP job, but he was busy at the time and had to decline.
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lmao….you are on fire today
March 6th, 2013 at 8:53 am
415.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:51 am
oh i think shrek nows he is on the hot seat…i just think he doesnt know how to win….
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Think you can do a better job?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:55 am
I’m not looking only at the negative side. post 406 had some good points. but you really have to drink some Kool Aid think we have a chance of making the playoffs this year. and you got to drink a gallon to think we’re going to be real contenders anytime soon. If we start the process of a rebuild now or last year if we did it right… we might be able to establish a core of star players with these top pics we’ll get in the next couple of drafts, while clearing all of this cap garbage.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am
58.r8eray Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Actually kind of liked Huff at CB he got better as year went along and has more of a CB body – get a rook to take his spot at Safety. Let Mitch walk – he’s a liability other than on special teams.
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Keep Huff at CB and draft Bacarri Rambo from Georgia in the 4-5th rounds!
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i like this idea. Rambo is a baller.don’t know if he’ll be available inthe 4th though.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:56 am
414…bingo
March 6th, 2013 at 8:57 am
415.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:51 am
oh i think shrek nows he is on the hot seat…i just think he doesnt know how to win….
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Amazing how you biotch about a guy who has been in a job for just over 1 year and who had to deal with a pitiful cap situation and having zero draft picks to work with in year 1 and a limited amount of picks in year 2…..but you remained silent for the past 25-30 years as our previous owner ran the team into the ground and set records for futility and stupidity.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Raider O Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
I hate Titty Monkey who is a wishy washy SOB.
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No SHVT!! We need a MONKEY with some personality.
Is CLYDE available from “Any Which Way But LOOSE?”
March 6th, 2013 at 8:59 am
in 1 year he brought the raiders from the doorstep to the cellar…fvck him. He is too dayum stupid to run the raiders.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:55 am
I’m not looking only at the negative side. post 406 had some good points. but you really have to drink some Kool Aid think we have a chance of making the playoffs this year.
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Why is this team that much worse than the team that had to lie down in the middle of the field vs Detroit to miss the playoffs in 2011?
If you can give me tangible reasons, perhaps I would listen.
If not, you are just a bellyaching moron that thinks we can lose our way to a championship.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:01 am
423.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:59 am
in 1 year he brought the raiders from the doorstep to the cellar…fvck him. He is too dayum stupid to run the raiders.
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True or False. You would rather see the Raiders lose and Reggie get fired and be right, than see the Raiders improve under Reggie.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Every year I have hopes that the Raiders will have a great year! Many were blinded by the fact that Al really reached and spent a lot the last 20 or so years! Loved Al…he was the one that made me a die hard! However, I didn’t always agree with what he did!
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neither did I. but I had a world of respect for him. even if the moves in his last years put the team in purgatory for a few years post AL, it was his team to do with as he saw fit. I wish he hadn’t done those moves, but I admired the spirit to compete.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:02 am
422.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:59 am
in 1 year he brought the raiders from the doorstep to the cellar…fvck him. He is too dayum stupid to run the raiders.
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Doorstep? Well, we were 8-8 with a top three payroll, if you call that success, then you have no clue about winning or business. Al put us in this predicament over the course of a couple of decades and you expect Reggie to clean it up in 1 year?
You are obviously out of your mind, or severely ignorant.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Sigh… oh gdog..
March 6th, 2013 at 9:03 am
dbs? really you think they are better? lbs? oline? running game? its not even close. reggie dumped developing players for scrubs…that alone is stupid…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:05 am
i would love for reggie to show some guts…for the raiders to win, to be the mean mofos, get penalties and still win. not this fvckin vanilla krapp while losing…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Lets see… we have a better QB than in 2011, HANDS DOWN.
- If we use our first pick on o-line, that could be MUCH better than 2011.
- If we get a true number one WR that could be MUCH better than 2011 (all the rest of the key WRs are still here).
- The key RB is still here from 2011 and could possibly remain healthy.
- The defense couldn’t possibly be any worse, and with the way it finished 2012, could very well be a strength next season.
YUP.. NO REASON TO THINK WE COULD BE BETTER THAN 2011!!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:07 am
doorstep= not quite in the playoffs…anything can happen once you are in…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:07 am
No SHVT!! We need a MONKEY with some personality.
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LOL
We need a FAT monkey?!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:08 am
- The defense couldn’t possibly be any worse
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this was the mantra going into the 2012 season post-Bresh, and they went on to have an “historically bad” defense.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:08 am
428.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:03 am
dbs? really you think they are better? lbs? oline? running game? its not even close. reggie dumped developing players for scrubs…that alone is stupid…
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Wimbley was the one player that Reggie dumped that did halfway decent last season….why did he have to dump Wimbley? Because of Al’s fk up with his contract and Al’s fked up salary cap situation.
Routt….dumped by another team. Bush…. disappointment in Chicago.
What fantasy land are you living in?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:08 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Sigh… oh gdog..
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Lack of listing the area’s that got worse since 2011 noted.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:09 am
431..
1. agreed
2. if
3. we have a 1
4. rb new system could work great
5. need better cbs dump stupid zone
March 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am
dakota…routt picked palmer last year ended on texans…what about lee, bartell, spencer?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am
cutting out cancer or removing rust is not losing to win.. I’m sorry you don’t have much vision but I had the same conversation with people the last offseason telling me we were going to the playoffs and we would be contenders for the Superbowl. and it sounded ridiculous….. it sounds slightly more probable now because of the coaching changes but I’m not ready to throw a party and I’d rather just start over with the salary cap as soon as possible.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Campbell….never saw the field.
Kevin Boss? Never did a thing in KC.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:12 am
The Monkey could even have TITS I don’t really care as long as he is a MONKEY leader of men. And he doesn’t smile at opposing monkeys when we get are ass handed to us.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:13 am
421.jesusraiderjim Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Raider O Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:08 am
I hate Titty Monkey who is a wishy washy SOB.
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No SHVT!! We need a MONKEY with some personality.
Is CLYDE available from “Any Which Way But LOOSE?”
LOL, right turn Clyde!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:14 am
i agree dakota those guys were placeholders, but yo dump the secondary because “als” guys was stupid. Gabbert….gabbert was going to have a career day against shreks guys…bot to mention all the other qbs that did…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Reggie’s one major mistake last season was allowing DA to hire Knapp and switch to the ZBS.
Rookie mistake, and really attributable to Al Davis’ legacy as well…..the reason we have to hire guys like DA and Knapp….because Al Davis drove us so far into the ground that good assistants would rather stay where they are than take coordinator or HCing jobs in Oakland.
Thank your hero.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:14 am
437.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am
dakota…routt picked palmer last year ended on texans…what about lee, bartell, spencer?
Yes, the very first play…then he got abused after. KC’s next game, the announcers were joking that Routt was out due to severe burns…next week he was cut!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:16 am
areas that got worse since 2011.
pass rush. Run defense. Secondary. Run blocking. running. Catching. big play ability. Scoring ability. Overall talent level.. coaching………..but hey you’re right we still wear silver and black so I guess were just as good as 2011 Weeee!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am
cutting out cancer or removing rust is not losing to win.. I’m sorry you don’t have much vision but I had the same conversation with people the last offseason telling me we were going to the playoffs and we would be contenders for the Superbowl. and it sounded ridiculous….. it sounds slightly more probable now because of the coaching changes but I’m not ready to throw a party and I’d rather just start over with the salary cap as soon as possible
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There is absolutely NOTHING tangible here. Not even one fact except we sucked last year. The 2007 Balt Ravens won 5 games. Did they blow up the entire team? Or did they just keep grinding it out? Keep most of the roster intact and learn to win?
All teams have cap problems. Thats an excuse loser teams use when they keep losing.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:16 am
watch adams against sd…burnt over and over again…he tried, just wasnt fast enough.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:17 am
446….exactly. glad to see some peeps watch the games.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:16 am
areas that got worse since 2011.
pass rush. Run defense. Secondary. Run blocking. running. Catching. big play ability. Scoring ability. Overall talent level.. coaching………..but hey you’re right we still wear silver and black so I guess were just as good as 2011 Weeee!
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Coaching on offense is completely overhauled Loser-Boy.
Haven’t you heard?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:18 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Blscht! He’s our best option if we want to go 4-12 again. We should dump that dude within the hour and pray that the Jets haven’t signed Garrard yet.
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Gerrard??? ::facepalm::
March 6th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Due to the cap situation Reggie had to gamble with talented CBs who had come off of bad injuries….the gamble failed….but thinking that Toast Johnson and the TD/Penalty allowing machine Routt would have made things much better is laughable.
Our secondary has sucked for years…..some were delusional in 2006 when they thought we had a good secondary because teams only had to throw against us about 15 times a game due to our inability to score or stop the run.
Our secondary has been bad for years and years…..under Al.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:19 am
446….you forgot one…..win loss record.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:16 am
areas that got worse since 2011.
pass rush. Run defense. Secondary. Run blocking. running. Catching. big play ability. Scoring ability. Overall talent level..
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Overall talent level will be worse? Name the players better in 2011…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Reggie needs the greatest draft in the history of men for us to make the playoffs. so I admit there is hope.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:21 am
dakota…watch the freakin games. High school qbs could complete passes on the scrubs reggie brought in and the ones he brought in to replace the ones he brought in….if ge would have dumped routt and let dvd and chekwa develop ok but the pendejo gets rid if both! then uhh ok maybe chekwa can play.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Nothing interesting happening yet huh?
Jenkins would be a good pickup. Doubt it happens though.
Then McK can draft the best pass rushing prospect available in OLB/DE Dion Jordan or draft NT/DT Star at #3 or trade down for more picks.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Raider O Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:07 am
No SHVT!! We need a MONKEY with some personality.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
We need a FAT monkey?!
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fat b@stard checking in !!
oh damn you said fat monkey.
sorry my bad !!!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Many years of losing will do this to a fan base! When the NFL gets better becuase the Raiders are relevant again…where will you be?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am
452. Thanks.. but he still wants another list.. name all the players…jeez
March 6th, 2013 at 9:23 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:23 am
457.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Raider O Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:07 am
No SHVT!! We need a MONKEY with some personality.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
We need a FAT monkey?!
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fat b@stard checking in !!
oh damn you said fat monkey.
sorry my bad !!!
LMAO! What’s up, Mike?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:25 am
alright I gotta go. make myself Late dìcking around with this nonsense. later nation
March 6th, 2013 at 9:29 am
454.Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Reggie needs the greatest draft in the history of men for us to make the playoffs. so I admit there is hope.
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Come on now. It isn’t THAT desperate.
I see where you are coming from Mark, and in the middle of the season I thought we should blow it up too….because I thought Reggie and DA were going to stand up for Knapp and ruin next year too.
But personally, I believe that the inability to sign good free agents and coaches due to the team’s reputation as a loser stop is what is hurting us the most. Now that the main reason for that is gone, Al Davis, if we can put together a couple of decent years, coming close to the playoffs, then maybe we turn things around and can become a destination for real NFL player and coaching talent again.
If we blow it up and suck azz for a couple more seasons, then we are going to be in the same boat as before. This time maybe we draft a little better, but we will still have jerkoff coaches ruining our draft picks because no one will want to touch this team.
If this were a basketball team, where one player could change everything (and maybe a franchise QB could do that for us, but there simply is no great QB in this or next year’s draft class) but this is football and so many things need to improved to truly make this team a legit contender once again.
I just don’t see us being 2-14 as helping in that process. Would we have Clowney, sure, but we still could not attract a good coach or free agent to sign here.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am
452. Thanks.. but he still wants another list.. name all the players…jeez
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How about just ONE? Can you name one player better in 2011?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:12 am
The Monkey could even have TITS I don’t really care as long as he is a MONKEY leader of men. And he doesn’t smile at opposing monkeys when we get are ass handed to us.
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Wishy washy titty monkey who smiles after losses?!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:35 am
All I wanted was just one Pepsi! And she wouldn’t give it to me!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am
But yes, I agree! I need a coach that shows some dam passion…at least to make it believable that he FN cares!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:26 am
IF Palmer goes then the Geno talk will kick into overdrive for us. You know it will.
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you’re right DJG
we’ll have to rebuke it!
Pryor + Matt Moore + Kellen Clemens = QB competition. Guaranteed to win more games than Palmer (4)
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Kellen Clemens!!!! I just threw up in my mouth a little bit…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:37 am
But yes, I agree! I need a coach that shows some dam passion…at least to make it believable that he FN cares!
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some SWAGGER! DA does not have it!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:38 am
I think a legit running game will cure a lot of what ails the Raiders…will help both the Pass offense and defense look better…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Gdog…
bey, jones, veldaheer, moore, wisniewski, seymour and kelly….i can go on
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Do I need shock therapy?
But watching NFL network this morning and was kinda intrigued at the Raiders kicking the tires on Vince Young…says he has turned things around and is ready for a second chance (broke)…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am
bring him in let him compete…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am
i think we can make the playoffs next yr if the dmc plays like he did in 2010-2011, our WRs (DHb, Ford, Moore) play like they did in 2011, streater and criner get better, and we get solid, not even great, just solid qb play from whoever is under center (palmer, pryor, ??) i think it will be one of them. Our defense in 2013 will be better than in 2011. routt was way overrated, didn’t make any plays all he was good at was letting his guy catch the ball and then tackling them (i’ll give it to him that he was for the most part right with the receivers). Wimbley was an above avg. pass rusher but absolutely terrible at everything else. He couldn’t cover anyone, nor could he keep fast rbs from getting to the edge, those last two are far more important coming from your 4-3 OLB. Ican’t even remember how many times we would stop the inside runs only to have RBs with any kind of speed get outside on our defense bc our OLBs were too slow and/or too undiscipline to keep contain, resulting in huge gains. Our D will be better, young players will finally develop with a D minded head coach and keeping the same system. We will (hopefully) draft at least 2 defensive players that will make an impact from week 1. i believe we will. it will be an instant upgrade over giordano, whoever we put in there. it will be an upgrade our MLB spot, whoever we put in there. our OLBs are better than 2011, though they can definitely upgrade that too. IF olson gets our offense going like is was for most of 2010-2011 we will have a shot at the playoffs. i mean c’mon 9 wins against theright teams will probably get us in. Looking at our schedule it is tough, but of all the teams the only teams i think will be nearly impossible to beat next yr will be washington and denver. all the other games are at least winnable. we always play houston tough, nyg who knows what they will look like after free agency and they are inconsistent in regular season anyway. eagles are dropping all of their talent and have a rook head coach with a gimmick offense that may or may not work in nfl, kc and sd we can get both those teams, jags suck, colts aren’t as good as their record last yr (they had a negative point differential for the season) dallas is inconsistent at best, jets suck, tennessee is ok, not a team to be feared, and we beat pitt this yr and we were pretty bad. going into the season i am optimistic. obviusly u never truly know what team is going to be hot when you play them or which teams are going to take that next step but i think we can make a push for the playoffs, not saying we are going to be super bowl contenders, or win our division, but we can overtake the bengals or colts for that wild card spot.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am
472.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Do I need shock therapy?
But watching NFL network this morning and was kinda intrigued at the Raiders kicking the tires on Vince Young…says he has turned things around and is ready for a second chance (broke)…
NOOOOOO!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:44 am
@NGRaiderfan
I enjoy your posts, may not agree all the time…but could you put some breaks in your posts, i.e. paragraphs (return button). Kinda hard to read in the giant block.
Thank you and Raider on…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:45 am
475.hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am
472.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Do I need shock therapy?
NOOOOOO!
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Ok, I will schedule my appoitment…
March 6th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Sorry, I know this is late but Hue Hack is a trip!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:46 am
472.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Do I need shock therapy?
But watching NFL network this morning and was kinda intrigued at the Raiders kicking the tires on Vince Young…says he has turned things around and is ready for a second chance (broke)…
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that might be a decent decision, especially if palmer wont take a cut, and gets cut. it would allow the Oc to keep the same kind of system for both his qbs because they have the same skill sets, instead of having to design two different systems. we’ll see though.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:46 am
476.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:44 am
@NGRaiderfan
I enjoy your posts, may not agree all the time…but could you put some breaks in your posts, i.e. paragraphs (return button). Kinda hard to read in the giant block.
Thank you and Raider on…
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haha. i’ll try
March 6th, 2013 at 9:46 am
After Jean Paul II died
Hue said HE told him on his death bed that he’d be his successor. But got betrayed by Benedict. And maybe Reggie McKenzie was involved as well.
by jfantillon
March 6th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Mike Mitchell can hit … has special teams value, high character, hard worker.
He also will come on the cheap, Prob the only deal Reggie can afford and get something out of right away.
I would like to see Toffelson go, think his vet min is 900,000 range. He sucks, badly.
You can replace his “value” with an undrafted guy.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:48 am
hmmm cullen jenkins….
I still think dorsey would have been a better option, yet ill give big mack the benefit of the doubt on this.
Is Jenkins a more affordable player? is dorsey even interested in the raidrs? Is jenkins insurance in case bryant walks? Who knows, but who cares?
I am not completely against the jenkins move, perhaps he can turn back the clock and produce 6 sacks. If he does its a major bonus.
However i now feel more strongly than ever that raiders must address the dline in the draft, and perhaps adding jenkins allows the raiders to take a pass rusher.
Jenkins will be a low rent rotation guy, and was at his best being the rotation guy in gb. perhaps a return to spot duty is best for him, and will allow the raiders to capitalize on the aging players remaining window.
I dont see a d tackle with our first pick assuming bryant returns as he jenkins and houston should be good enough inside. Pass rusher is always at a premium, but even more so for the raiders.
Interesting to see how this pans out
March 6th, 2013 at 9:50 am
477.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:45 am
475.hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am
472.DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Do I need shock therapy?
NOOOOOO!
__________________________________________________
Ok, I will schedule my appoitment…
LOL…on a serious note, I agree with NG on that if palmer doesn’t agree to a cut, then having a mobile Qb looking for probably his last chance with Pryor still learning in the wings, may not be a bad idea!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Say Nnamdi takes a hometown discount, anyone down?
I am …. even delcining in play he can help are other corners like Phillip Adams & Taiwan Jones get better.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:51 am
DutchRaider, meant to thank you for the Lechler jokes the other day. Reposted ‘em while laughing.
Good Rainy Morning Raider Nation!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:52 am
482.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Mike Mitchell can hit … has special teams value, high character, hard worker.
He also will come on the cheap, Prob the only deal Reggie can afford and get something out of right away.
I would like to see Toffelson go, think his vet min is 900,000 range. He sucks, badly.
You can replace his “value” with an undrafted guy.
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MM has so many up and down plays. Did a pretty good job covering the TE in the GB game, but whiffed on some major tackles. Wouldn’t mind him brought back a very low price. Like the idea of the big nickel package with Huff covering the third receiver.
I would like to see Toffelson go, think his vet min is 900,000 range. He sucks, badly.
Totally agree, just one bad play sticks out in my mind, he had his arms around Phillip Rivers and Phillip Rivers broke away and throw the ball downfield for a big gain.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:53 am
I didnt see mm34 as huge problem this year. in fact i think he was one of the bright spots on defense.
he did have trouble in his start, yet I think like all players ther is a learning curve, and more field time could help him get better. you dont get better being a back up in the nfl. hard to say he could be any worse than two we already have manning the safety spot.
Im not certain what his value is because we havnt had a chance to watch him start for 6-7 games in a row. that is about all it takes usually to tell if a db or safety can play. because blown assignments show up loud and clear in the secondary.
branch and huff have proven week after week that they cant figure out zone coverage. too bad they are owed so much monmey
March 6th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Apparently Hugo Chavez appointed Hue his successor before he died. Hue replied “get in line, I have some other offers: Al Davis, Steve Jobs, John Lennon….” LOL, I love Hue!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Gdog…
bey, jones, veldaheer, moore, wisniewski, seymour and kelly….i can go on
>>>>>
Dude… they are all still on the team with the exception of maybe Seymour.
How can you say we are worse with the same players???
March 6th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Is Jenkins a more affordable player? is dorsey even interested in the raidrs? Is jenkins insurance in case bryant walks? Who knows, but who cares?
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Yeah, somtimes we think as fans and not as players making a business decision.
As a fan, I would think that Dorsey wouldn’t mind coming to the Raiders to stick it to the Chiefs.
But also I saw the Giants fans sights were ablaze with chatter about picking Dorsey up.
If he is going to sign somewhere cheap to get an oppurtunity to play in a 4-3, I think he would try to play for a team like the Giants over the Raiders.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Mike Mitchell is a good special teamer and Elephant package DB.
Make an offer accordingly.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Lol, Macho Man!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:57 am
mm was the only guy putting the wood on kim newton….
March 6th, 2013 at 9:58 am
I am confident Mitchell will stay.
His agent can only wheel & deal his value to other teams so much in slight of production.
and if he likes DA and Reggie then he will be comfortable continuing his career in OAK.
Toffelson is poor mans Trevor Scott, and that might be a compliment.
Shonasty is another player who you have to wonder about ???? He is going to be FA too.
I really REALLY like two guy sat tail end of season:
Phillip Adams and Brandian Ross, they will come cheap and stay.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Just seen a tweet by Vic Tafur that Raiders are now in negotiations with Phillip Wheeler’s agent!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:57 am
mm was the only guy putting the wood on kim newton….
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kims a slut, gets wood all the time
March 6th, 2013 at 9:59 am
yessssssss come on Wheeler!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Hue Jack as a GM? Frightening.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am
6 more days till FA
March 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 32s
Wheeler: “There’s plenty of teams out there. It’s very important to me to get back to being part of a winning organization.”
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Uhhhhhhh ????? So he wants a nice check to stay, were not a winning organization for the past 12 years.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Just seen a tweet by Vic Tafur that Raiders are now in negotiations with Phillip Wheeler’s agent!
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thanks for sharing! this is great news!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am
gdog the played worse in 2012..it was dur to scheme. They told kelly and seymour…no offsides play the run…. the result? no pass rush. Jones was noteven given a chance and bey/moore were told to run 5 yard outs…veldeheer and wiz were told to run sideways..i said we were worse now if donkey allen continues this philosophy we will be bad again.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3m
Wheeler: “I don’t know if coming back (to Oakland) is best scenario or not. I had good time here but I’m not sure who’s on team next year.”
March 6th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Adams n Ross should be our main priorities, followed by Bryant n Wheeler
March 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Now Wheeler is saying that he doesn’t know if coming back to Oakland will be the best scenario. He said he had fun here but not sure who will be on the team!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am
wheeler sees this ship is sinking…
March 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Wheeler is talkin bad, let him walk, he was nothing special
March 6th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am
wheeler sees this ship is sinking…
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what else is new troll?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Wheeler is critical to keep.
The if it means let Lechler & Kelly go, then so be it.
Or DHB for that matter.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:05 am
504.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3m
Wheeler: “I don’t know if coming back (to Oakland) is best scenario or not. I had good time here but I’m not sure who’s on team next year.”
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Translation: If they bring back Slowlando McLazy or cut Palmer I am out of this hell hole.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:06 am
mcxcuse back from shreks office?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:06 am
After Jean Paul II died
Hue said HE told him on his death bed that he’d be his successor. But got betrayed by Benedict. And maybe Reggie McKenzie was involved as well.
by jfantillon
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LMFAO
March 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am
I want Wheeler back. He was a playmaker on a team that lacked them. Pay him a fair price and hope he gives us a hometeam discount to the team that gave him a chance. all I’m asking for..
March 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am
Adams and Ross will be easy keeps.
Bryant with his arrest too won;t have much FA sizzle.
Wheeler has already gotten multiple teams interest.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:07 am
the genius of mcxcuse let wheeler go cut mcclain and have scrubs play lb…lol..,
March 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am
same ole troll, nothing new to add, complaining 24/7 n wants us to believe he really is a Raiders fan lol
March 6th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Wheeler is okay, but we can’t afford to get any weaker at LBer, so re-signing him should be a priority…..but it has to be at a reasonable price.
No more Al Davis out of whack contracts around here baby!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 32s
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Raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 3m
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Looks like 2 different troll accounts.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am
mcxcusin all day long…
March 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am
complained about bringing back zbs guy briesel for pbs, when Al did the same when he brought CC n we had no problem running the ball
March 6th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Vic Tafur @VicTafur 1m
More Wheeler: “I definitely think it can be turned around in Oakland. Reggie McKenzie is the right guy and Dennis Allen is the right coach.”
March 6th, 2013 at 10:11 am
512.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:06 am
mcxcuse back from shreks office?
For sure the dumbest bastard on here.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:11 am
complained about zone scheme on D when the man D couldn’t stop SD once in week 17
March 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am
521.mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am
complained about bringing back zbs guy briesel for pbs, when Al did the same when he brought CC n we had no problem running the ball
SHUT UP you stupid little fk! GOD DAMN YOUR AN IDIOT!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am
mcxcuse still on krappys jock….
March 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am
then logged back into other account what else is new whiner lover?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Mcfaggen20 I bet this guy would suck a big fat cok.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:13 am
same ole jokes, anything new today? come on at least be interesting trolls
March 6th, 2013 at 10:14 am
wow how was that not a surprise whiners male fan talking about doing something with another male
March 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am
So what the hell happened with Seymore? Was he cut? is he a Free Agent? Do we carry dead money this season from Seymore’s contract?
Can somebody explain this to me?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am
there’s reason they call you gayfoshow
March 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Dumervill might be released, due 12m and broncos want him to restrucure, not that we could get him , but would be good to see him leave divisions best team.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:16 am
533.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Dumervill might be released, due 12m and broncos want him to restrucure, not that we could get him , but would be good to see him leave divisions best team.
WOW!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:17 am
dumberville is solid pass rusher, i hope they cut him n he never goes back to them
March 6th, 2013 at 10:17 am
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/cap-hit/
BEST BREAK DOWN EVER! YOUR WELCOME
March 6th, 2013 at 10:18 am
No more Al Davis out of whack contracts
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Like Tyvon Branch and Brisiel?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Briesels contract wasn’t that bad, they had to pay TB based on how he played but hey at least reggie didnt make him the highest paid player at his position like al constantly does
March 6th, 2013 at 10:21 am
ROLANDO IS 10 MILL IN DEAD MONEY.
Thats why he dont givva F what Reggie does.
He will be a scout team RB again if he stays or a get 10mill if he cut.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:23 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Wheeler is talkin bad, let him walk, he was nothing special
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M20, I know he is not all-world but he was clearly one of the best and most productive players on our team last year. We need more of these, not less. Sign him up!!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:23 am
i noticed something very interesting.
namdi was offered a take it or leave it pay cut by the eagles, he turned it down. Of course he is being trashed and called selfish by fans.
when al didnt offer him a contract namdi was called selfish for having a price tag so high.
I have to wonder what are owners never considered selfish?
Owners will tell a player “take a pay cut or be cut” even thought they agreed to terms and signed a contract.
owners do this every year and the media even have invented a term to soften and shape our perception of the owners that employ this action, “cap casualty”.
If namdi, or wimbly, or (insert player name), says no, they are trashed yet owners do what ever they please free of any backlash from the media.
Not only is this double standard unfair, but it is also selectively applied amongst players.
Albert hayneworth who by all counts was terrible team mate in wash, signed a huge deal. He didnt like the scheme or his role and refused to get into shape, buy in or play hard. Randy moss quickly soured on the raiders and was called selfish and a quitter.
Carson plamer melts down like a diva in mike browns office demands firings and trades then quits when he doesnt get his way, yet nobody wants to call him selfish.
Drew brees threatened to hold the saints hostage, he wasnt labeled selfish.
percy harvin chris johnson no love, yet even the likes of marc bulger gets to threaten a hold out and you never hear a peep.
As you can see I have thoroughly outlined that this is worse than a double standard its a triple standard.
paying close attention to words and how they are employed gives lots of insight of the context that the entertainment / sports business functions within.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:23 am
DHB is easiest to slash, 10 mill and 7.7 base salary with a 2.8 mill bonus.
You could easily restructure him, and he is a team guy.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Briesels contract wasn’t that bad, they had to pay TB based on how he played but hey at least reggie didnt make him the highest paid player at his position like al constantly does
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4 million a year for a guard sneaks you into the top 10 in salaries for the position. Tell me, Brisiel widely considered a top 10 guy? Can you even say above average?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
By the way, I never told anyone this …
But Al Davis offered me the GM job before Hue Jax.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Carson plamer melts down like a diva in mike browns office demands firings and trades then quits when he doesnt get his way, yet nobody wants to call him selfish.
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how is that selfish? when you’re tired of playing for a losing owner and he’s not doing anything and you’re willing to even sacrifice over 10 m n that’s selfish? it’s like you work somewhere n your boss is stupid mfer, would you still keep going to work?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am
according to that link, 17.5 mill is already on the books as dead money of the guys already cut. and there is another $58 mill+ potentially on the roster!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Briesels contract wasn’t that bad, they had to pay TB based on how he played but hey at least reggie didnt make him the highest paid player at his position like al constantly does
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4 million a year for a guard sneaks you into the top 10 in salaries for the position. Tell me, Brisiel widely considered a top 10 guy? Can you even say above average?
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Well he took a pay cut, not a restructure, so at least he helped them team and Reggie said Briesel is admired for playing thru a bad ankle injury the whole year.
Maybe he comes back healthy and improves.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
By the way, I never told anyone this …
But Al Davis offered me the GM job before Hue Jax.
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Lol, Hue continues to stick his foot in his mouth. Smh. Not doing himself any favors.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Nothing interesting happening yet huh?
Jenkins would be a good pickup. Doubt it happens though.
If he does somehow gets Jenkins away from better football teams then McK can draft the best pass rushing prospect available in OLB/DE Dion Jordan or draft NT/DT Star at #3 or trade down for more picks.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am
according to that link, 17.5 mill is already on the books as dead money of the guys already cut. and there is another $58 mill+ potentially on the roster!
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Yes AL faced this every year, and he just kept doing it and pushing money into future.
a true f-ing idiot he was, and he didnt even have a snigle player live up to it
March 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Well he took a pay cut, not a restructure, so at least he helped them team and Reggie said Briesel is admired for playing thru a bad ankle injury the whole year.
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No pay cut, just a restructure, putting I think 3 mill of this year’s salary into a bonus. His agent even came out publicly and said he is not getting any less money in the new deal.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:31 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Briesels contract wasn’t that bad, they had to pay TB based on how he played but hey at least reggie didnt make him the highest paid player at his position like al constantly does
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4 million a year for a guard sneaks you into the top 10 in salaries for the position. Tell me, Brisiel widely considered a top 10 guy? Can you even say above average?
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10th highest paid guard for 13 is getting 6 M, briesel would b making about 3.5 in 13
March 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am
i dont trust our local guys at the trib.
the other day when the blog writer suggest wes welker as free agent target fro the silver and black i almost shat my pants.
wes welker does not in any way fit into what the raiders want to do.
let hm go play fro a team like the skins where he can work the slot next garcon.
We have outside guys and slot guys and they are born to run with blazing speed. That is why our offense will go back to vertical nest season.
welker is better off in horizontal stretch offense, like wco or spread like he played in n e
March 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
By the way, I never told anyone this …
But Al Davis offered me the GM job before Hue Jax.
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damn, Al asked me to look after Carol. found out she still has all her teeth, so i turned him down !!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am
I wonder where the Raiders rank among all 32 teams in dead money against the cap?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am
I wonder where the Raiders rank among all 32 teams in dead money against the cap?
#1 by far
March 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Where are you getting that info, Mc20?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Carson plamer melts down like a diva in mike browns office demands firings and trades then quits when he doesnt get his way, yet nobody wants to call him selfish.
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how is that selfish?
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you sign a contract you need to hold up your end.
mans word is worth more than gold but only when it is anchored by truth
March 6th, 2013 at 10:36 am
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/cap-hit/
March 6th, 2013 at 10:37 am
so people are ripping hu jack because he shared details of his personal relationship with davis?
why?
isnt he free to share anything about his career that he wants?
this place is weird
March 6th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Carson plamer melts down like a diva in mike browns office demands firings and trades then quits when he doesnt get his way, yet nobody wants to call him selfish.
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how is that selfish?
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you sign a contract you need to hold up your end.
mans word is worth more than gold but only when it is anchored by truth
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why should he hold onto it, when owners can easily freaking cut you after a small injury, why should he keep on playing for an owner who apparently doesn’t give a eff and was despised by their own fan base, he gave them 5-6 years so sometimes enough is enough
March 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am
The top 10 salaries for a guard info, not the salary cap. 6.5 million for the 10th highest paid guard?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am
how come I’m not surprised you’re talking bad about CP
March 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am
would rather talk about Palmer who’s just not hating on him, because of skin color
March 6th, 2013 at 10:40 am
554.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
By the way, I never told anyone this …
But Al Davis offered me the GM job before Hue Jax.
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damn, Al asked me to look after Carol. found out she still has all her teeth, so i turned him down !!
OUCH, LOL!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am
556.mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:34 am
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am
I wonder where the Raiders rank among all 32 teams in dead money against the cap?
#1 by far
I wonder where you rank as all time ball sucker.#1 by far.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am
560.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:37 am
so people are ripping hu jack because he shared details of his personal relationship with davis?
why?
isnt he free to share anything about his career that he wants?
this place is weird
I think mainly because “Why?” Why now? Some want to see his motive…whether its there or not!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am
558.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Carson plamer melts down like a diva in mike browns office demands firings and trades then quits when he doesnt get his way, yet nobody wants to call him selfish.
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how is that selfish?
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you sign a contract you need to hold up your end.
mans word is worth more than gold but only when it is anchored by truth
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So lame, a NFL team cuts players all the time, breaking the contract they agreed to with the player.
A NFL team can walk away from a contract with a player, but a player cannot walk away from the contract they signed with the team?
You have more respect for a guy like Albert Haynesworth, who signs a contract and all but quits on the team, but continues to collect a paycheck that Carson Palmer?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Show some respect for the late Mr. Davis and his family, except for Mark.
Al Davis is GOD.
Just Win Baby.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Advertising is the way of the world.
It’s how a company like google, who does not transact any business with it’s users, is worth a hundred billion dollars.
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Helps to have unlimited funds as a start up, though.
The NSA did. Even with, by far, the most advanced computers, techs, programmers etc. in the world and all the ‘census’ and other governmental info on each and every one of us, they still felt they didn’t know enough about us. To aquire the kind of detailed info they wanted on 300 million people would require a bureaucratic army a sizeable fraction of that size. They had the resources to compile and analyze the data and knew their capabilities would only increase over time, but how to get the data still eluded them.
What to do? What to do?
Then came the epiphany. The light bulb turned on.
They’d get us to freely divulge our habits, hobbies, private lives, secrets, and predilections.
And Google was born!
It was a masterstroke.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Mcfaggen20 started watching football around 06 and now is an expert.Expert at sucking nutsacks that is.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am
and the mcxcuses continue…
March 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am
That anyone would actually believe there’s any truth to what Hue Jack just claimed could perhaps be even funnier than the claim itself.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:45 am
Two whiner trolls are back after giving each other reach arounds
March 6th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Didn’t know Golden Haired Hero was a conspiracy theorist. He was here to say good morning to RR.
But I agree with him. Go figure.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Just win baby
March 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Cant blame Wheeler a bit.He has seen all he needs to see from bottom lip.Just like the rest of us who actually know football. #1 overall pick in 2014.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am
576.mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Just win baby
Your just a moron.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Oakfshow, aren’t you missing an ‘o’?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am
I’m not ordering SB tickets but I can see a scenario where we could be much better and competitive in 2013.
-The defense continues it’s solid play over the final 4 games of 2012…in fact adds to it by drafting a stud d lineman and maybe some decent fa acquisitions and elevates to just below average….from worst in franchise history.
-With Knapp gone, Raiders return to 2011 form on offense.
Obviously we have to see how the QB situation pans out but at it’s basic core…an ‘improved’ to below average defense with a more productive offense should lead to more wins.
You see i’m trying to paint a picture of optimism, or at least a reason to entertain it.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am
lets give knapp some time…lol mcxcuse20
March 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Where are you getting that info, Mc20?
558.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:35 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Carson plamer melts down like a diva in mike browns office demands firings and trades then quits when he doesnt get his way, yet nobody wants to call him selfish.
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how is that selfish?
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you sign a contract you need to hold up your end.
mans word is worth more than gold but only when it is anchored by truth
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Also, it looks like that Mistic is in the “we cannot cut Carson Palmer” camp because the ethical issues asscoicated in breaking the contract.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Palmer was a quitter because he didn’t wanted to play for A horrible franchise , while The kool-aid for Jamarcus Russell flows, who apparently didn’t even care n was just thinking of this like a 9-5 job , at least Palmer woke up Cincys ownership n they did the right things , Russell messed up poor AL D more , Al wouldn’t even let go of his middle round pick until 5 years passed but had to get rid of his #1 pick after only 3 years n the same guy who collected 40+ m from al D talked bad all the way while laughing to the bank
March 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am
I’m not ordering SB tickets but….
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Lol. Never too early for kool aid I see
March 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Show some respect for the late Mr. Davis and his family, except for Mark.
Al Davis is GOD.
Just Win Baby.
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He showed no respect for the fans … trashed the roster yearly, fired coaches for HIS personnel mistakes & failures … drafted scum, or track stars and paid avaerge players top $ for position…
The best coach we had he traded for draft picks and cash because Al was power trippping that Gruden was smarter than him and knew how to runa staff and control personnel.
Russell draft, gallery draft, DHB draft, on and on
I respect him prior to 1994
March 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am
I don’t really care what Carson Palmer did to the Bengals, Fk the Bengals.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Hahaha whiners trolls must be in heaven since they got some attention this morning
March 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Just fukin win
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am
In all due respect for Mr Davis, Gallerry was highly regarding as the best OL in the draft, and that year, so was Jake Grove, Center!
March 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am
So 6 more days
March 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:38 am
how is that selfish?
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you sign a contract you need to hold up your end.
mans word is worth more than gold but only when it is anchored by truth
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why should he hold onto it,
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am
So lame, a NFL team cuts players all the time, breaking the contract they agreed to with the player.
A NFL team can walk away from a contract with a player, but a player cannot walk away from the contract they signed with the team?
You have more respect for a guy like Albert Haynesworth, who signs a contract and all but quits on the team, but continues to collect a paycheck that Carson Palmer?
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you two clowns obviously didnt read my post.
Carson and owners have been and continue to be absolved of any wrong doing and are never labled “selfish” for their actions.
yet by contracts guys like percy harvin and chris johnson are trashed for the same thing.
I have identified a triple standard held on to and propagated by media and fans alike on this issue.
I am not making any claims about what a player or team should do or shouldnt do.
I think the same standard should remain across the board. if we are saying a player should keep their word then it should apply to All players and owners as well.
If we are saying its fine for guys to quit on the contract then the same goes for ALL players and owners.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Al D picks weren’t that bad except for DHB at #7 , it’s the freaking coaching turnover why we couldn’t develop talent ,you keep same coaches n same philosophies and players flourish
You keep changing coaches every year or 2 n then you ask the D coordinator to play 70s scheme , then players fail
March 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am
The frustrating part about this process is waiting for news, we get Breisel restructure nothing else. It sucks! my patience is gone from years of crap and no light at the end of the tunnel, I want some news about our plans if I have to look at this roster one more day and see tommy kelly on it I will puke! Come on Reggie do something!
Cut Palmer
Restructure DHB
I will take a y news at this point.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am
540.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:21 am
ROLANDO IS 10 MILL IN DEAD MONEY.
Thats why he dont givva F what Reggie does.
He will be a scout team RB again if he stays or a get 10mill if he cut.
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He doesn’t get anything if he is cut, it’s just a 10 million cap penalty to us. We don’t pay him to leave.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am
In all due respect for Mr Davis, Gallerry was highly regarding as the best OL in the draft, and that year, so was Jake Grove, Center!
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I thought after that draft our O line was going to be set for years….. but sh1t happens !!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am
In all due respect for Mr Davis, Gallerry was highly regarding as the best OL in the draft, and that year, so was Jake Grove, Center!
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Understand but the good teams/organizations don’t ruin draft picks see Colts, Ravens, Steelers …
Considering all the issues with OAK right now, thats #3 pick, if not traded down is a crucial building block, you whiff as an org. you lose as a team.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Whatever Mistic , take ur BS somewhere else , Palmer topic has already been beaten to death n some more 1 year ago
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:52 am
I’m not ordering SB tickets but….
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Lol. Never too early for kool aid I see
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Right. Just trying to balance the overriding “Commitment to Suckage” vibe which is so prevalent here lately.
I’m always trying to be optimistic in the offseason until I see reasons to be otherwise.
If I see a crap team, coaching etc. when they take the field I’ll be all over them like everyone else. Lol.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am
595.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am
In all due respect for Mr Davis, Gallerry was highly regarding as the best OL in the draft, and that year, so was Jake Grove, Center!
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I thought after that draft our O line was going to be set for years….. but sh1t happens !!
Exactly!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am
In all due respect for Mr Davis, Gallerry was highly regarding as the best OL in the draft, and that year, so was Jake Grove, Center!
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I thought after that draft our O line was going to be set for years….. but sh1t happens !!
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That’s what happens when you over value players and under value the coaching staffs, good coaches get the best outta players and put them in good situation to succeed , see McFadden with Hue and Knapp
March 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am
596.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am
In all due respect for Mr Davis, Gallerry was highly regarding as the best OL in the draft, and that year, so was Jake Grove, Center!
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Understand but the good teams/organizations don’t ruin draft picks see Colts, Ravens, Steelers …
Considering all the issues with OAK right now, thats #3 pick, if not traded down is a crucial building block, you whiff as an org. you lose as a team.
I believe that if Al was set on Gallery, as he looks like he clearly was, then we should have traded down that year and pick him up later…but…
March 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Also, it looks like that Mistic is in the “we cannot cut Carson Palmer” camp because the ethical issues asscoicated in breaking the contract.
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LOL
March 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am
BTW, didn’t Mountain retire already?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:23 am
i noticed something very interesting.
namdi was offered a take it or leave it pay cut by the eagles, he turned it down. Of course he is being trashed and called selfish by fans.
when al didnt offer him a contract namdi was called selfish for having a price tag so high.
I have to wonder what are owners never considered selfish?
Owners will tell a player “take a pay cut or be cut” even thought they agreed to terms and signed a contract.
owners do this every year and the media even have invented a term to soften and shape our perception of the owners that employ this action, “cap casualty”.
If namdi, or wimbly, or (insert player name), says no, they are trashed yet owners do what ever they please free of any backlash from the media.
Not only is this double standard unfair, but it is also selectively applied amongst players.
Albert hayneworth who by all counts was terrible team mate in wash, signed a huge deal. He didnt like the scheme or his role and refused to get into shape, buy in or play hard. Randy moss quickly soured on the raiders and was called selfish and a quitter.
Carson plamer melts down like a diva in mike browns office demands firings and trades then quits when he doesnt get his way, yet nobody wants to call him selfish.
Drew brees threatened to hold the saints hostage, he wasnt labeled selfish.
percy harvin chris johnson no love, yet even the likes of marc bulger gets to threaten a hold out and you never hear a peep.
As you can see I have thoroughly outlined that this is worse than a double standard its a triple standard.
paying close attention to words and how they are employed gives lots of insight of the context that the entertainment / sports business functions within.
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The one that has always driven me nuts is the VY situation in Tenn. He leaves the locker room before a verbal confrontation with Fisher could turn physical, and he was immediately portrayed as a guy who “walked out” on his teammates. Carson Palmer LITERALLY QUIT on his team and not a peep! Fking joke!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am
come on now raiderinparadise, you dont think any of those teams have missed in the draft ??
ask me the draft is a complete crap shoot. sure these kids look good in college, and at the combine . but you never know what you have untill the live bullets start to fly.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:05 am
The problem with Gallery, and Jamarcus guys that we whiffed on, is that it doesn’t matter how highly the media ranks someone, it matters how high your scouting department does. You don’t think its an issue that our scouting department didn’t realize that Gallery has TRex arms? Our scouting department couldn’t recognize that Jamarcus had commitment issues?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Al lost it in the 90s , always finding yes men as coaches and kept firing them every 2 years , times change and things change , those days when men put on their big boy pants on and went to work under any condition are over , they need stability at the top , they need to see where the ship is heading n they want to be paid accordingly
March 6th, 2013 at 11:05 am
mcfadden20.Says:
… at least Palmer woke up Cincys ownership n they did the right things…
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New CBA helped. Mike Brown perennially underspent every team in the league.
Then he was forced to spend like other teams and lo and behold, they got better.
But the Palmer haters say they got better ’cause he left.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am
Steve Corkran retweeted
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot 20s
#Raiders’ DT Desmond Bryant on the #Browns’ radar in free agency.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am
you two clowns obviously didnt read my post.
Carson and owners have been and continue to be absolved of any wrong doing and are never labled “selfish” for their actions.
yet by contracts guys like percy harvin and chris johnson are trashed for the same thing.
I have identified a triple standard held on to and propagated by media and fans alike on this issue.
I am not making any claims about what a player or team should do or shouldnt do.
I think the same standard should remain across the board. if we are saying a player should keep their word then it should apply to All players and owners as well.
If we are saying its fine for guys to quit on the contract then the same goes for ALL players and owners.
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Wrong…I have been reading your posts about Carson Palmer for the last two years. You have attacked his character several times regarding him quitting on the Bengels as a serious character flaw.
There are hundreds of articles on the web condemning Carson Palmer from walking away from his contract with the Bengels.
Chris Johnson…overwhelmily I have heard the talking heads and experts repeat: “Pay the man.”
Harvin? If you google his name, most fans are hoping their team will trade for him from the Vikings. Also, none of this is coming from Harvin, Media created story.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Yeah that’s pretty clever for you MR , when nobody replies log into ur other account and reply so that u don’t look like an idiot
March 6th, 2013 at 11:08 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Whatever Mistic , take ur BS somewhere else , Palmer topic has already been beaten to death n some more 1 year ago
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My post wasnt about carson i used him as an example
However i have seen that only certain guys are called selfish for not living up to the contract.
carson brees bulger nfl owners all scott free
johnson, harvin are not afforded the same consideration when they decide they dont want to play for the contract they signed.
players like wimbly and namdi are trashed for refusing a pay cut.
i wonder what separates the guys called selfish from the guys that are not?
hmmmmmm
March 6th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Not a peep? What black hole do you live in. Carson is the Devil in Cincy for that and he owns up to it being a mistake.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Code black
March 6th, 2013 at 11:10 am
bcz24, Gallery wasn’t as good as he was projected to be. But he was a solid, professional football player and doesn’t deserve to be even remotely associated with Jamarcus.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Not sure how you could blame the coaching situation for Gallery and Grove.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:11 am
I never heard peep about Jamarcus Russell from any black guy either
March 6th, 2013 at 11:14 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am
you two clowns obviously didnt read my post.
Carson and owners have been and continue to be absolved of any wrong doing and are never labled “selfish” for their actions.
yet by contracts guys like percy harvin and chris johnson are trashed for the same thing.
I have identified a triple standard held on to and propagated by media and fans alike on this issue.
I am not making any claims about what a player or team should do or shouldnt do.
I think the same standard should remain across the board. if we are saying a player should keep their word then it should apply to All players and owners as well.
If we are saying its fine for guys to quit on the contract then the same goes for ALL players and owners.
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Wrong…I have been reading your posts about Carson Palmer for the last two years. You have attacked his character several times regarding him quitting on the Bengels as a serious character flaw.
There are hundreds of articles on the web condemning Carson Palmer from walking away from his contract with the Bengels.
Chris Johnson…overwhelmily I have heard the talking heads and experts repeat: “Pay the man.”
Harvin? If you google his name, most fans are hoping their team will trade for him from the Vikings. Also, none of this is coming from Harvin, Media created story.
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save it dutch
Harvin and johnson are only two examples and you can find just as many fans and media calling them selfish as you can supporting their cause.
Yet owners and palmer are largely forgiven. You disagree (predictably) but simply go through the archives here to find proof. In fact look at when carson signed here 99% of the poel here excused him for leaving cincy and refused to acknowledge him as a quitter.
My personal feeling wasnt absent from my post this morning, but since you are trying to confuse the issue let me be clear.
I feel a player team should honor the contract.
I disagree with selective lableing and which ever way the standard is set let it be across the board.
closing your eyes doesnt mean it isnt there dutch
March 6th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Carson Palmer is villified in Cincinnati probably more than Jamarcus in Oakland , and why would Oakland fans talk bad about our current QB , the guy has done everything you ask of him , been a mentor to your boy Pryor even though he understand Pryor might take over his job down the road , n u call him selfish ? Something’s just never change , like hate
March 6th, 2013 at 11:15 am
bcz24 Says:
Not a peep? What black hole do you live in. Carson is the Devil in Cincy for that and he owns up to it being a mistake.
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Not true. I visited ‘Cincy Jungle’(SBNation site) when we traded and when we played them last year. They’re about as divided as we are, although 90 per cent think Brown is a piece of sh1t.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:15 am
Gallery was a pretty good RT.
Switched to LT, got beat like a drum by a roided up Merriman, and then was relegated to LG by the genius Tommy Cable.
He never really got a shot a LT, imo. I think that was a mistake.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Lol you guys trying to win arguement about Palmer with Palmer hater lmao
March 6th, 2013 at 11:17 am
They sure didn’t seem divided when they were throwing sh1t at him as he walked off the field in cincy last year
March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
…However i have seen that only certain guys are called selfish for not living up to the contract…
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Anybody remember Eric Dickerson? Didn’t he want a new contract every time he scored a touchdown?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Hahaha
March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Interesting article on Perfomance based values.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/03/05/performance-based-value-team-totals/
Oakland is actually 10th getting more out of its players than it spent. That is a big turn around. You may ask then why do we have such a bad roster and why are we in so much cap trouble? Get this the cap hit of actual players was only around 90 million dollars according to their calcs. The rest? Dead money from the past.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:19 am
oakfshow Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Mcfaggen20 started watching football around 06 and now is an expert.Expert at sucking nutsacks that is.
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McDummy found this blog two years ago and has been dumbing it down ever since.
“give Knapp more time, the jury is still out on the ZBS scheme change”. classic McDummy.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Talking like Palmer with Mistic is like talking about Raidrrs with jokefoshow n althr troll , although its the same person just giving an example
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am
why would Oakland fans talk bad about our current QB?
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Lack of wins????
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am
bcz24 Says:
They sure didn’t seem divided when they were throwing sh1t at him as he walked off the field in cincy last year
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All 60,000 fans, huh? Go to their message board. I’ll be glad to provide you with threads if you like at Cincy Jungle.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Wow about the last several posts – shocking a teams fan base is divided about its QB after a team goes 4-12. Did not see that one coming LOL.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am
dutch, bcz, purv, and mac tea bag
Lets not get cought up in palmer worship.
remove carson palmer and insert drew brees, or wes welker my point still stands
some guys are labled others are free to do as they please.
No one can refute that nfl owners absolutely work with impunity and are almost never called selfish demanding pay cuts, or in other words quitting n a contract.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Whats A Drexl? Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:19 am
oakfshow Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Mcfaggen20 started watching football around 06 and now is an expert.Expert at sucking nutsacks that is.
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McDummy found this blog two years ago and has been dumbing it down ever since.
“give Knapp more time, the jury is still out on the ZBS scheme change”. classic McDummy.
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You ain’t fooling anyone we know who ur
March 6th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Something’s just never change , like hate
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M20 – not true
Kell doesn’t hate white people anymore. He said “hi” to me the other day and asked about the weather
March 6th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Lol trolls Are just desperate today
March 6th, 2013 at 11:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Something’s just never change , like hate
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M20 – not true
Kell doesn’t hate white people anymore. He said “hi” to me the other day and asked about the weather
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lol
March 6th, 2013 at 11:24 am
Get this the cap hit of actual players was only around 90 million dollars according to their calcs. The rest? Dead money from the past.
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we aren’t in any better situation really. as of today, we have 105 million to work with less dead money. and decisions to make on $40 million of FY13 cap money. decide to restructure or cut. but expect us to be down around 90 mill real money again.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Hi RRS, how’s the weather in podunk today?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:26 am
I don’t care how much interest Lechler, Bryant, Wheeler, Myers or Mitchell draw in free agency.
Reggie can only offer a reasonable contract due to our cap situation
it’s either that or offer some huge bonus that doesn’t count toward the cap. perhaps make the contract back-loaded
in any event, none of these players are worth breaking the bank for imo
March 6th, 2013 at 11:26 am
give it a rest guys, trying to talk about Palmer with Mistic is like asking for directions from a donkey
March 6th, 2013 at 11:27 am
?? are you sure that was Kell, RRS ??
sure doesnt sound like him.
but here lately i guess i really seen too much of him here.
and btw… hows the new job ?? lol and baby watch going for you ??
March 6th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Just w1n
March 6th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
…Lets not get cought up in palmer worship…
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When you use the word ‘worship’, YOU are already ‘cought up’(sic).
March 6th, 2013 at 11:28 am
No one can refute that nfl owners absolutely work with impunity and are almost never called selfish demanding pay cuts, or in other words quitting n a contract.
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I agree with you 100% on this statement. I never called Wimbley selfish. He wasn’t worth what Al tried to pay him. Take a pay cut or there’s the door. He chose the door, best of luck to him. Not going to discuss the other guys, they aren’t Raiders
March 6th, 2013 at 11:28 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am
I’m not ordering SB tickets but I can see a scenario where we could be much better and competitive in 2013.
-The defense continues it’s solid play over the final 4 games of 2012…in fact adds to it by drafting a stud d lineman and maybe some decent fa acquisitions and elevates to just below average….from worst in franchise history.
-With Knapp gone, Raiders return to 2011 form on offense.
Obviously we have to see how the QB situation pans out but at it’s basic core…an ‘improved’ to below average defense with a more productive offense should lead to more wins.
You see i’m trying to paint a picture of optimism, or at least a reason to entertain it.
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I can count on one hand the posters here that think the Raiders have any shot at all at the playoffs next year.
We are the worst fans in the NFL in regards to optimism, I don’t think there are any close second. I heard a Vegas bookie on the Cowherd show talk about it. No matter how high they set the pre-season odds on the Raiders, they could never get any action on it. He said there isn’t any other team like it…
March 6th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Hey GMoney,
the weather is great. after weeks of snow & ice we’re gonna be in the 50’s for the next 4-5 days!
paid off the car today. re-financed the house & truck with lower interest rates
getting my financial stuff in order, like Reggie
trim the fat BigMac!!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:29 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Whats A Drexl? Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:19 am
oakfshow Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Mcfaggen20 started watching football around 06 and now is an expert.Expert at sucking nutsacks that is.
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McDummy found this blog two years ago and has been dumbing it down ever since.
“give Knapp more time, the jury is still out on the ZBS scheme change”. classic McDummy.
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You ain’t fooling anyone “WE” know who ur
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Do you have a gerbil in your pocket McDummy?
You stand alone with your lack of knowledge.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:29 am
You are Reggietarded.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:30 am
632.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am
dutch, bcz, purv, and mac tea bag
Lets not get cought up in palmer worship.
remove carson palmer and insert drew brees, or wes welker my point still stands
some guys are labled others are free to do as they please.
No one can refute that nfl owners absolutely work with impunity and are almost never called selfish demanding pay cuts, or in other words quitting n a contract.
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I only have my perspective of a situation. I don’t fault Chris Johnson and Percy Harvin at all for holding out/potentially holding out.
You don’t think that the overwhelmily majority of this board wants Carson Palmer to take a paycut? Is there anybody on this board that thinks Carson Palmer is worth $13M?
Mistic I think most NFL owners are D-Bags and there are a lot more worthy people on this planet that deserve the privilege of owning an NFL franchise.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:30 am
The PFF says Palmers value last year is about 8 million. Maybe that should be the starting point on the pay “adjustment” (lets not call it a cut).
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/28/performance-based-value-oakland-raiders/
March 6th, 2013 at 11:31 am
Palmer told CSNBayArea.com in an email exchange Tuesday he hasn’t heard anything about his future with the Raiders.
“Not sure what’s going to happen,” Palmer wrote. “Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.” – palmer
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hmmm take a pay cut or get cut. i love it.
who needs you anyway? lol
if carson doesnt take a pay cut will he be called ’selfish” here like cam wimbly was?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:32 am
hows the new job ??
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going great, Mike!
my new boss is awesome and her boss (the director) is awesome too
leaving the hospital was the best decision I’ve made in a long time. I guess Podunk number crunchers are in higher demand than I thought? They treat me like royalty over here
March 6th, 2013 at 11:32 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:30 am
The PFF says Palmers value last year is about 8 million. Maybe that should be the starting point on the pay “adjustment” (lets not call it a cut).
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All they need to do is use Vick’s deal as an example.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:33 am
10-6 Raiders
March 6th, 2013 at 11:34 am
644.bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:28 am
No one can refute that nfl owners absolutely work with impunity and are almost never called selfish demanding pay cuts, or in other words quitting n a contract.
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I agree with you 100% on this statement. I never called Wimbley selfish. He wasn’t worth what Al tried to pay him. Take a pay cut or there’s the door. He chose the door, best of luck to him. Not going to discuss the other guys, they aren’t Raiders
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Yeah, I am not mad at Wimbley. I am mad at the NFL and the Browns for screwing us with the illegal contract option on Wimbley’s contract.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Yeah I am pretty sure you can’t find a single blogger here that thinks Palmer is valued at $13mil per. Not a single one.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Who wants more kool-aid?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Apparently PFF must be run by white racist Palmer worshipers. They peg CP3s value at 8.2 million with his 2012 cap hit at 3 million he was one of the best values Oakland had last year. Only Wheeler or Houston were better values.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 am
0-16.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:36 am
The PFF says Palmers value last year is about 8 million. Maybe that should be the starting point on the pay “adjustment” (lets not call it a cut).
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AW,
I usually think PFF is crap, but $8 mil sounds about right imo
March 6th, 2013 at 11:36 am
March 6th, 2013 at 11:36 am
if a player can be penalized for refusing to work after signing a contract, why is there no recourse for players when teams demand they take a pay cut?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:36 am
sweet RRS, glad to hear that !!
lol lol guess not getting that promotion was the best thing that could have happend !! kinda funny how things work out sometimes.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am
BCZ
Regarding Palmer, I have thought 7-9 million. PFF based on objective anlysis says 8.2 million. Many posters on this site think he is worth a ham sandwich.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am
paid off the car today. re-financed the house & truck with lower interest rates
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good stuff! I agree about getting financially in shape. My F(lease) is up at the end of the year and I can’t wait to turn in both my rented cars. really bad investment. kinda how I look at our coaching staff, nothing but a cheap rental till I buy my dream car.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 am
0-16.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
– jokefoshoe
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Hey Autumn… you are using logic and reason here again… those are crimes punishable by death in these parts.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am
Palmer or Pryor, it doesn’t matter.
Thanks to Reggie, the Raiders have the LEAST TALENTED roster IN THE NFL.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:21 am
ROLANDO IS 10 MILL IN DEAD MONEY.
Thats why he dont givva F what Reggie does.
He will be a scout team RB again if he stays or a get 10mill if he cut.
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You realize DEAD MONEY doesn’t mean REAL MONEY? He won’t see 10mil if cut, but the Raiders will have a 10mil dead money cap hit if we release him, we could spread that out over 2 years, McClain is as good as gone and will be making min on another team
March 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am
10-6 baby
March 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Apparently PFF must be run by white racist Palmer worshipers. They peg CP3s value at 8.2 million with his 2012 cap hit at 3 million he was one of the best values Oakland had last year. Only Wheeler or Houston were better values.
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i wouldnt doubt it
how is this quantified?
whom decides the criteria for speculated value.
Highly speculative and dubious in my book.
Pff like any other media is suspect
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
his 2012 cap hit at 3 million he was one of the best values Oakland had last year
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AW,
can we get Palmer for $3 million again without another restructure causing guaranteed money and a bigger cap hit down the road?
didn’t think so. CP made vet min plus a HUGE bonus last offseason. That info doesn’t surprise anybody
Seymour, Huff & Kelly did the same. Not exactly “breaking news”
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
I usually think PFF is crap, but $8 mil sounds about right imo
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gosh, I feel old. I remember when Steve Austin was the “Six Million Dollar” man. I thought, that’s an impossible amount of money! Now it doesn’t even buy a mediocre QB!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am
Palmer or Pryor, it doesn’t matter.
Thanks to Reggie, the Raiders have the LEAST TALENTED roster IN THE NFL.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Hey when are you coming on your al the troll Id or jokefoshow , need to talk to you about our beloved Raiders
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
McNutsack,
0-16 or 10-6, which one is more realistic for next year?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
We are worshippers for thinking a player is our best option, then we are haters for thinking otherwise! Gotta love it!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:40 am
bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Yeah I am pretty sure you can’t find a single blogger here that thinks Palmer is valued at $13mil per. Not a single one.
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There’s worse QB’s getting about that or more (Cassel, Fitz, Sanchez, Rivers, Kolb.)
So its all relative anyway.
So I guess I am the only non-moron here?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:40 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:36 am
The PFF says Palmers value last year is about 8 million. Maybe that should be the starting point on the pay “adjustment” (lets not call it a cut).
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AW,
I usually think PFF is crap, but $8 mil sounds about right imo
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PFF is pure stats you have to look at their assumptions and make your own conclusions but it does give a benchmark to look at. I did so because I was curious as to what might be a good number for Palmer in light of the up to the brink negotiations going on.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain, boy you are really making some great points. What you are saying is finally starting to make sense. I want to hear more of your conspiracy. Give mr a few minutes I have to go in now for my shock therapy. When I come back out of it I’ll be ready for some more of your asstute observations.
Can’t
March 6th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Fire Reggie, now I will switch to another screen name and post fire Reggie n onto the 3 rd screen name n post ZBS sukks lol
March 6th, 2013 at 11:41 am
bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Hey Autumn… you are using logic and reason here again… those are crimes punishable by death in these parts.
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this would be funny if it wasnt so true !!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
We are worshippers for thinking a player is our best option, then we are haters for thinking otherwise! Gotta love it!
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You just can’t win. Think how I feel I like Palmer, Pryor and Campbell but do understand each’s limitations.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
I believe that if Al was set on Gallery, as he looks like he clearly was, then we should have traded down that year and pick him up later…but…
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LOL, he wouldn’t of ben there later
March 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
you are using logic and reason here again… those are crimes punishable by death in these parts
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Attn: Bcz
if thats true, you and JFB should be tarred & feathered!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Carson is a starting QB in the NFL …
He is Oaklands best option at QB currently and they have nothing proven behind him.
They might not like Geno and if they don’t then they likely will have to keep Carson even if he doesn’t take a paycut.
DHB and Kelly can save big room … they will have to look there first unfortunately because niether of those players are as important or productive as carson.
#leverage
March 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
McNutsack,
0-16 or 10-6, which one is more realistic for next year?
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Wouldn’t your just love it if we go 0-16 whiner lover ??
March 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
I don’t think Palmer is worth $13 mill. But I also don’t think Joe Flacco is worth $20 mill.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:43 am
599.hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am
595.R8ER MIKE Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:59 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am
In all due respect for Mr Davis, Gallerry was highly regarding as the best OL in the draft, and that year, so was Jake Grove, Center!
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I thought after that draft our O line was going to be set for years….. but sh1t happens !!
Exactly!
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Yeah, crap happens when you draft a LT prospect with short arms. Nice scouting ahead of a stud WR like Fitz.
Crap also happens when you have constant coaching turnover.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Palmer is our best QB as of right now
March 6th, 2013 at 11:45 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am
BCZ
Regarding Palmer, I have thought 7-9 million. PFF based on objective anlysis says 8.2 million. Many posters on this site think he is worth a ham sandwich.
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Thats not how reality works though. CP’s value is only what a team is willing to pay him, and how much it would cost to replace him.
Do you HONESTLY think we can hire a QB as good as CP for 9 million dollars?
If so.. name him here: (free agents only please.)
March 6th, 2013 at 11:46 am
gosh, I feel old. I remember when Steve Austin was the “Six Million Dollar” man. I thought, that’s an impossible amount of money! Now it doesn’t even buy a mediocre QB!
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Remember I think Palmer is 7-9 Million in a world where Flacco is worth Whatttttt???!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Funny how we have the bottom 5 receiving corp had bottom 5 pass rushing had bottom 5 special teams and had bottom 5 running game yet people want to replace the only decent part of our team last year
March 6th, 2013 at 11:47 am
By Mike Sando | ESPN.com:
“What struck me: While there’s broad consensus the 49ers will want to use the draft to supplement their defensive line, Horton and Yates see former Oakland and New England defensive lineman Richard Seymour as a good fit in free agency. Seymour is coming off a hamstring injury. That could lower his price on the market, which would be important. The 49ers already have $8 million in 2013 cap space committed to Justin Smith. How much could the team justify allocating to Seymour, possibly as a rotational player? Seymour had been playing better than 75 percent of the defensive snaps when healthy in recent seasons. He’s 33 years old, same as Smith. The contract Seymour signed with Oakland is voiding, making him a free agent. His cap number was $8.8 million last season. It was scheduled to hit $19.1 million in 2013, but all parties had to know the Raiders would let the deal void before assuming that kind of charge”.
Seymour a 9er? lmfao
March 6th, 2013 at 11:47 am
paid off the car today. re-financed the house & truck with lower interest rates
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good stuff! I agree about getting financially in shape
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Bought 2 new vehicles about 6 months ago. Those payments plus the insurance hikes are hitting my pockets pretty hard.
Can’t wait to pay these damn things off.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:47 am
The curreny Raider team has no balls, no talent, no leadership, and no chance.
I’ve been a myopic Raider fan my entire life.
I’ve always seen the Silver and Black linings going into the season.
The current squad has NO HOPE.
Either Reggie is the over matched rube the media has already identified him as or Reggie is tanking his way to LA with permission from the Davis family.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I think Palmer honestly has too much leverage, Oakland has no options lined-up cept Pryor and nobody behind him that can throw thats isn’ a FA … heck even Lechler the 4th string emergency QB could be gone LoL
Tommy Kelly is a guy you just cut and with that you can instantly keep Wheeler and Bryant around.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
He is Oaklands best option at QB
Palmer is our best QB as of right now
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M20 & paradise,
how many times does this have to be disproven?
who are you comparing him to? just Pryor?
you realize there are other options, right?
cheaper options?
You’re also assuming Pryor (or anybody else) couldn’t get to Palmer’s win level – 4 games
Basing that off of 1 NFL start, his first ever.
#wakeupandsmellthecoffee
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Palmer is our best QB as of right now
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.. and there aren’t any better replacements (and for DAMN sure not at 8 million dollars.)
Good gawd you guys. Carson Palmer is worth 13 mill because he’s on our roster at that rate, and there aren’t any better replacements available.
Use your heads once in awhile…
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Remember I think Palmer is 7-9 Million in a world where Flacco is worth Whatttttt???!!!
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rumors are floating that Aaron Rodgers is due to get a fat new contract soon somewhere around $24M to $25M/year range.
Palmer at $8 mill sounds right.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Gdog
Regarding Post #690. No I do not. However, you need to take into account that Palmer has big cap numbers as far as the eye can see here and really hamstrings the team. His contract needs more than mere restructuring at this point. It would be better to have a Matt Moore at 5 million with lesser hits going forward to be an interim QB than Palmer at 15 million killing our ability to build.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:39 am
We are worshippers for thinking a player is our best option, then we are haters for thinking otherwise! Gotta love it!
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You just can’t win. Think how I feel I like Palmer, Pryor and Campbell but do understand each’s limitations.
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that has never been my reason for using the term that i coined here.
My reason was the constant excuse making for the 37 turn overs and measly 8 wins in 24 games.
the fact that he has only manged to play turn over free in 5 of those games.
lastly the 99% here that refused to acknowledge that he was QUITTER for his false retirement
maybe others have picked up the term and apply a different context, however my reason are clear and fair.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am
if thats true, you and JFB should be tarred & feathered!
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RACIST!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:50 am
lol reggietarded…mcxcuse they are calling you.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:51 am
“Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.”
March 6th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Bought 2 new vehicles about 6 months ago. Those payments plus the insurance hikes are hitting my pockets pretty hard.
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@ JHill,
the downside of my leases being up in December is then I will be forced to buy a couple of cars or I’ll be on foot. I’m thinking of buying some older used cars cash. Debt sucks!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Do you HONESTLY think we can hire a QB as good as CP for 9 million dollars?
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Gdog,
Yes. pick one, any one
4 wins isn’t impossible to top
March 6th, 2013 at 11:51 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
He is Oaklands best option at QB
Palmer is our best QB as of right now
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M20 & paradise,
how many times does this have to be disproven?
who are you comparing him to? just Pryor?
you realize there are other options, right?
cheaper options?
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Ok genius… name them and be prepared to prove they are better with stats.
Chop chop…
March 6th, 2013 at 11:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Do you HONESTLY think we can hire a QB as good as CP for 9 million dollars?
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Gdog,
Yes. pick one, any one
4 wins isn’t impossible to top
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Name them, moron.
Or shut up.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
He is Oaklands best option at QB
Palmer is our best QB as of right now
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M20 & paradise,
how many times does this have to be disproven?
who are you comparing him to? just Pryor?
you realize there are other options, right?
cheaper options?
You’re also assuming Pryor (or anybody else) couldn’t get to Palmer’s win level – 4 games
Basing that off of 1 NFL start, his first ever.
#wakeupandsmellthecoffee
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pryor could get to 4 wins in his sleep
palmers predecessor also eclipsed that mark with ease.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:54 am
RACIST!
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@Bcz
me?
I’ve got nothing against you two hairy sweaty italians
#teamgorilla
March 6th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Seymour had been playing better than 75 percent of the defensive snaps when healthy in recent seasons. He’s 33 years old, same as Smith
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so playing in less then half the games this year and in the less then 1/2 he played ,he only played 3/4 of the time ?????? lol lol Whos on first ??
March 6th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
He is Oaklands best option at QB
Palmer is our best QB as of right now
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M20 & paradise,
how many times does this have to be disproven?
who are you comparing him to? just Pryor?
you realize there are other options, right?
cheaper options?
You’re also assuming Pryor (or anybody else) couldn’t get to Palmer’s win level – 4 games
Basing that off of 1 NFL start, his first ever.
#wakeupandsmellthecoffee
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pryor could get to 4 wins in his sleep
palmers predecessor also eclipsed that mark with ease.
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Rich Gannon won 12 games one year. Oh yeah, but those were completely different teams. Like now.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I think Palmer honestly has too much leverage, Oakland has no options lined-up cept Pryor and nobody behind him that can throw thats isn’ a FA
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then how do you explain the raiders demanding a pay cut?
you dont demand a pay cut from a player that has all of the “leverage”.
your take is an example of palmer worship for those that are still foggy on the meaning or motivation for its use
March 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Matt Moore, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Chase Daniel, and Rex Grossman. Those are the top FA QBs available, genius.
Did they win 4 games between them last season?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:47 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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you keep on saying the same thing over and over …
ok we fire Reggie.. then what??
hire you as GM ??
lol lol ,….. I SAY FIRE DR. HUNTER S. THOMPSON NOW !!
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
@662.Mistic1
Do you think of Barry Sanders as a quitter?
He had plenty of football left, but retired b/c the Lions were such a mess/terrible owner and the team refused to trade him.
Also, the Lions went to the playoffs the year after he retired…
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
LMN, you are a sad excuse for a Raider fan.
How did your boy Lame Kiffin fare this year?
Lame really screwed over USC this year, just like Tennesee, just like the Raiders.
Just Win Baby.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:45 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 am
BCZ
Regarding Palmer, I have thought 7-9 million. PFF based on objective anlysis says 8.2 million. Many posters on this site think he is worth a ham sandwich.
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Thats not how reality works though. CP’s value is only what a team is willing to pay him
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Don’t agree with you on much, but this is dead on. I don’t waste my time trying to figure out what a player is worth or “deserves”. You deserve whatever some team wants to give you. If the Raiders or some other team wants to pay Palmer $20 million a year, so be it.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:57 am
SO,A WORSHIPER OR A HATER…DAMN HARD CHOICE.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:58 am
I’m thinking of buying some older used cars cash.
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Ask Raider O, lol.
That was my plan too until I went to the dealership and saw all those nice vehicles. I got sucked in, LOL.
Stay away from the dealerships and just hit the auctions.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Clearly a lot of you have pryor boners so hard you could cut diamonds with them.
Kid needs this camp and pre-season to learn a whole new offense, 3rd one in 3 years. He will need time.
CP3 will learn this offense quicker and that simply alone will allow him to have the team by the reigns.
Also Olson is a passing downfield attack much to CP3’s advantage/strenghts.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:58 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
@662.Mistic1
Do you think of Barry Sanders as a quitter?
He had plenty of football left, but retired b/c the Lions were such a mess/terrible owner and the team refused to trade him.
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How the hell do you know that’s why he retired??? There’s a big difference between retiring and quitting.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:58 am
He is also due to make base salaries of $15 million in 2014, 2015 and 2016, with salary cap numbers of $17.335 million for each year as well. The contract’s years of 2015 and 2016, though, void if he is on the roster five days after the Super Bowl in 2015, according to documents obtained by CSNBayArea.com.
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I’ve come to accept that I am a complete cap and contract moron ‘cuz this just doesn’t f’ing compute for me.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:59 am
chavez dead?
hmmmm very very suspicious
March 6th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
LMN, you are a sad excuse for a Raider fan.
How did your boy Lame Kiffin fare this year?
Lame really screwed over USC this year, just like Tennesee, just like the Raiders.
Just Win Baby.
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I dont care about college throw ball..
March 6th, 2013 at 11:59 am
lastly the 99% here that refused to acknowledge that he was QUITTER for his false retirement
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Stupid statement. So John Elway was a quitter too when he told Irsay not to draft him. Or Eli for telling SD not to draft him. That he wouldn’t play for them. Dumb.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:59 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
@662.Mistic1
Do you think of Barry Sanders as a quitter?
He had plenty of football left, but retired b/c the Lions were such a mess/terrible owner and the team refused to trade him.
Also, the Lions went to the playoffs the year after he retired…
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nice. hey so interesting discussion in here about who should be our starting qb when the draft is this month and we have lots of contract decisions to make
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Mike, I generally don’t respond to tards but you seem like a good one.
We hire a GM with a proven track record as opposed to a glorified scout has done but destroy the Raiders.
I suppose you want a list, right?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:59 am
chavez dead?
hmmmm very very suspicious
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That’s what the Venezeuelans are saying.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Palmer, Palmer, Palmer ….
I wish some of our WRs would step the F up and make some damn plays on the ball.
Go get that muthaphucca, mayne!!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:51 am
“Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.”
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LMAO… and commas save lives
Lets eat grandma
or
Lets eat, grandma !!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
722.RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:58 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
@662.Mistic1
Do you think of Barry Sanders as a quitter?
He had plenty of football left, but retired b/c the Lions were such a mess/terrible owner and the team refused to trade him.
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How the hell do you know that’s why he retired??? There’s a big difference between retiring and quitting.
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Uh, the Barry Sanders biography, where he states this…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1662343
March 6th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
I want to see us go UP 14-3 for a change!!!!
In the 1st damn qtr!!!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Matt Moore, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Chase Daniel, and Rex Grossman. Those are the top FA QBs available, genius.
Did they win 4 games between them last season?
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No question in my mind we win more than 4 games with Garrard or Campbell behind center.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I think Palmer honestly has too much leverage, Oakland has no options lined-up cept Pryor and nobody behind him that can throw thats isn’ a FA
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Palmer has no leverage. He will be cut if he doesn’t take a pay cut, and there is no chance he makes that money on the open market.
Like I said, Mike Vick’s new contract is the perfect template for the Raiders to work off of for Palmer. It will give us 4-6 million in cap relief without kicking the can down the road.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Gdog
Regarding Post #690. No I do not. However, you need to take into account that Palmer has big cap numbers as far as the eye can see here and really hamstrings the team. His contract needs more than mere restructuring at this point. It would be better to have a Matt Moore at 5 million with lesser hits going forward to be an interim QB than Palmer at 15 million killing our ability to build.
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Matt Moore at 5 million, PLUS CP’s 9 million in dead money, equals what?
14 million? Thats nearly the same cap hit as it would be without restructuring CP.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 am
@662.Mistic1
Do you think of Barry Sanders as a quitter?
He had plenty of football left, but retired b/c the Lions were such a mess/terrible owner and the team refused to trade him.
Also, the Lions went to the playoffs the year after he retired…
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not at all the same
Sanders has said that he didnt think the price his body was paying was worth playing for the lions.
injury and long term health were his primary concerns.
other teams came after him post retirement but he never came back as he was truly done playing.
Unlike carson that staged a false retirement in order to get his way.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
J Hill Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Palmer, Palmer, Palmer ….
I wish some of our WRs would step the F up and make some damn plays on the ball.
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Oh no… there we go with that logic sh1t again…
March 6th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mike, I generally don’t respond to tards but you seem like a good one.
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LMFAO
A good one????
What, a good tard???
March 6th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Matt Moore, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Chase Daniel, and Rex Grossman. Those are the top FA QBs available, genius.
Did they win 4 games between them last season?
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No question in my mind we win more than 4 games with Garrard or Campbell behind center.
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lol
official nfl documented history proved that jc already has won more than 4 games here
palmer has been an instant downgrade
March 6th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21823816/pictures-dont-lie-wallace-better-fa-receiver-option-than-jennings
I’ve been a big supporter of greg jennings, but even I’ll admit that wallace has the speed that kills defenses. Still can’t figure why Al Davis didn’t take Wallace in the 2nd round back in 09? He had his burner DHB so he couldn’t see past adding a Mike Wallace. SMH
March 6th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
This is DMAC checking in and checking out.
No disrespect to anyone, but this fk’n blog kind of sucks right now.
People keep talking bout’ the same ass schit.
Palmer this, Palmer that……
2 many trolls are killing this blog slowly.
I’ll holla at u playuhs later.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Like you Jhill, you are a well meaning tard, you just don’t know you’re aZZ from your elbow.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
If the Raiders or some other team wants to pay Palmer $20 million a year, so be it
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Debo,
doesn’t sound like OAK even wants to pay him $13 mil
I don’t understand though.
Didn’t he just throw for 4,000 yards & 22 TD’s ??
if Ginger’s supporting cast is as bad as everybody says it is and he deserves no blame for any of the losses, why even ask him to take a pay decrease?
$13 mil sounds reasonable if CP3 is the only winner on a stankhole team, no?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I think Palmer honestly has too much leverage, Oakland has no options lined-up cept Pryor and nobody behind him that can throw thats isn’ a FA
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Palmer has no leverage. He will be cut if he doesn’t take a pay cut, and there is no chance he makes that money on the open market.
Like I said, Mike Vick’s new contract is the perfect template for the Raiders to work off of for Palmer. It will give us 4-6 million in cap relief without kicking the can down the road.
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idiot.
you do realize if palmers is cut that leaves oak with 1 QB on roster. pryor at that.
and with all the pressing needs all over the team you think the team needs to spend time drafting or looking for FA qb … 2 of them!!!!???? the most important position on roster?
lmao
how could palmer have no leverage? 4,000 yards, never complained, and worked well with young players all season, also a huuuge mentor to pryor noted by pryor himself and staff.
Maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick can be brought in cheap, or Bruce gradkowski and they can help groom Pryor.
idiot
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
PFF is becoming one of the go to sites for football fans. They have an interesting ongoing feature right now about over paid players based on their production. Carson Palmer is nowhere on the list even at his high cap number. But as I have been saying all last year, number two in complete waste of money is Darren McFadden. How can a QB be successful or a team be successful when the guy the offense has been built around is awful? And you morons continue to blame the wrong guy.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I think Palmer honestly has too much leverage, Oakland has no options lined-up cept Pryor and nobody behind him that can throw thats isn’ a FA
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Palmer has no leverage. He will be cut if he doesn’t take a pay cut, and there is no chance he makes that money on the open market.
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Thats simply crazy talk. You don’t think Ariz, NYJ, Minn, Buff, Jax, Clev etc etc would go into a bidding war for his services if we dumped him?
All it would take is TWO of the above teams.
Thats plain naivety.
And the only reason Vick restructured down was because he is hoping the new coach from Oregon and his trick offense is a great fit for him. CP is plug-and-play anywhere.
Please… you can do better.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Hey Tyler Thigpen can be had for cheap!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
Do you think of Barry Sanders as a quitter?
He had plenty of football left, but retired b/c the Lions were such a mess/terrible owner and the team refused to trade him.
Also, the Lions went to the playoffs the year after he retired…
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Yep. Always thought he was holding them back.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
at the end of the day mistic thinks pryor will be a good qb and Palmer has no chance of succeeding anywhere. he was right about rgIII, right about wilson, wrong about webb (he’ll argue this) wrong about troy smith(he’ll argue this) and the verdict is still out on Cam. He’s right sometimes wrong sometimes, let’s wait and see.
Real Raider fans want Pryor to succeed here. Personally i haven’t seen enough accuracy throughout college or the pro’s to make a determination one way or the other but he did bring excitement versus the Chargers, so hopefully he’s right on this one.
Now when is kelly getting cut or restructured? And what team are we trading down with?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
I just wish any of our receivers were as good as jennings or wallace.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
New book details Barry’s reasons for quitting
Updated: November 16, 2003, 2:51 AM ET
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WICHITA, Kan. — Former All-Pro running back Barry Sanders says he quit the NFL because he was exhausted and frustrated that the Detroit Lions’ front office did not seem willing to build a winning team.
In a book to be released Thanksgiving week, Sanders recalls openly sobbing on the sidelines on a rainy afternoon in Baltimore in 1998 because he knew it would be his last game.
It was the final game of another lousy season for the Lions, a meaningless 19-10 loss to the Ravens in which the running back from Wichita had a rare fumble.
“I was crying because I knew it was over,” Sanders says in the book, “Barry Sanders: Now You See Him … His Story in His Own Words,” an as-told-to book written with longtime friend Mark McCormick of The Wichita Eagle.
As the clock ran out in Baltimore, he said, “It also ran out in my career. I decided they could go on without me.”
It would be months before Sanders shared that decision with the rest of the country in a brief retirement statement that only hinted at his true feelings. His retirement shocked the sports world because he was only 31 and on the verge of breaking Walter Payton’s all-time NFL rushing record.
Although the statement referred to his loss of will to continue in the NFL, it did not openly criticize the Lions’ front office.
Sanders changes course in the book, saying a “communications gap” opened between him and the Lions’ front office as the team unloaded quality players.
After working to help Detroit try to build a winner throughout the 1990s, Sanders suffered as the Lions slumped to 5-11 in two of his last three seasons.
“After all these years, I’d come full circle,” Sanders says in the book. “It was tough to stay focused and motivated.”
The realization that management no longer cared about winning “slammed me harder than any linebacker had ever hit me in my entire career,” Sanders says. “That realization trivialized everything I did during the off-season to prepare myself. It trivialized everything I dreamed about from the time I was a kid in Wichita …”
In another chapter, Sanders details the year when he became the third player in NFL history to rush for 2,000 yards in a season. That accomplishment was significant to Sanders, as were others such as reaching the 100-yard rushing mark in 14 consecutive games.
The record he walked away from wasn’t as important, he says. Fed up with football, Sanders lost interest in chasing Payton’s career rushing record.
“I had already achieved a level of success that gave me much satisfaction and pride. I didn’t need to pass Walter to prove that to myself,” says Sanders, who remains the third-leading NFL rusher of all time with 15,269 yards.
As for his brief retirement statement, Sanders says he didn’t refer to his feelings about Lions management because he “didn’t want to take shots at people as I left.”
His only regret, Sanders says, is that he didn’t include a statement wishing his team good luck.
The 17-chapter book also details Sanders life from his childhood in Wichita to his years as a star at Oklahoma State University and into retirement.
He credits his mother, Shirley Sanders, for much of his success and discusses his often strained relationship with his father.
Sanders, who was with the Lions for 10 years, maintains a home in suburban Detroit. He is involved with American State Bank in Oklahoma, makes appearances at card shows, works with charities and plays in celebrity golf tournaments.
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Dutch,
Where does Sanders say anything about wanting to be traded? There were no if, ands or buts. The guy wasn’t feeling it anymore and retired. No comebacks, no nothing. End of story.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Bye nutsack.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Mary Kay Cabot@MaryKayCabot
#Raiders’ DT Desmond Bryant on the #Browns’ radar in free agency.
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Well looks like we will lose Bryant, no way we can pay him anything close to what the Browns will offer. Wheeler sounds like he has two feet out the door and is about ready to slam it shut, if so, Jarvis Jones should be the #3 pick
March 6th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
748.Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Hey Tyler Thigpen can be had for cheap!
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That would be nice…never felt he got a fair shake. Looked pretty decent in KC his rookie year.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Blue skies, white clouds, hailstorm,…blue skies, white clouds, warm sun, hailstorm.
Kinda like winter around here today.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Bcz24,
How many times do we say “damn, that was a nice catch” during a game?
Why does the qb HAVE to be perfect ALL THE TIME?
The last game, Pryor underthrew DHB on a deep pass, but it hit DHB in both hands as he was falling down. Not a great pass, but it still should hav been caught.
So many throws by Palmer I can recall saying, damn why could the WR make that play. Not gerat or good throws, but balls that these guys should be making plays on WAY more often than they do.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
10-6 kool-aid is good
March 6th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Mike, I generally don’t respond to tards but you seem like a good one.
We hire a GM with a proven track record as opposed to a glorified scout has done but destroy the Raiders.
I suppose you want a list, right?
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a list of what ??
just wanted to know if you had a plan or if firing Reggie was your only thought.
lol and thanks for the complement. always thought i was a good tard !!lol but i am even a better redneck !!
YOU PEOPLE need to redneckcognize !!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Like you Jhill, you are a well meaning tard, you just don’t know you’re aZZ from your elbow.
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How could anyone possibly confuse an arsse and an elbow.
I thought that was something only “tards” said?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
hmm
so kevin hart is the lates brotha to put on the dress huh?
the plot to effiminize black youth continues, and at the expense of black women that are made caricatures fro it.
Hollywood is killing us
March 6th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
10-6 kool-aid is good
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4-12 kool-aid is bad?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Dutch,
Where does Sanders say anything about wanting to be traded? There were no if, ands or buts. The guy wasn’t feeling it anymore and retired. No comebacks, no nothing. End of story.
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Sanders’ retirement came somewhat unexpectedly and was a matter of controversy. Two years beforehand, Sanders had renewed his contract with the Lions for $35.4 million over six years with an $11 million signing bonus. The Lions demanded that he return $5.5 million of the bonus. Sanders refused, and the Lions sued. On February 15, 2000, an arbitrator ruled that Sanders had to immediately repay $1.833 million, or one-sixth of the bonus, with the remaining bonus to be repaid over each of the three years Sanders had left on the contract provided he STAYED RETIRED. Prior to the ruling, Sanders offered to pay back the entire $5.5 million in return for his release from the team. The Lions refused, stating they would welcome Sanders back to the team; otherwise, they would honor his announced retirement. Sanders’ agent David Ware lobbied the team to TRADE his client. However, it had been a long-standing practice for the Lions to not accommodate players’ requests for trades, and other teams were reluctant to discuss Sanders while he was still under contract.[12]
Several years after retirement, with repeated refusals to discuss the abruptness of it, Sanders finally admitted that the culture of losing in the Lions’ organization was too much to deal with even though he said that he could still play!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sanders#cite_note-12
March 6th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Oakglenn, if you continue to call people morons people will never agree with you.
But I concur, the real problem on offense isn’t Carson but is McFalldown.
I hope he gets back on the juice this season because without it he is a hopeless pantywaist.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Cut Palmer , trade Palmer , restruct Palmer , 24/7 next question what do about our bottom 5 reviving group ? Crickets , what about running game , pass rush n special teams ? Crickets
March 6th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
J Hill Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mike, I generally don’t respond to tards but you seem like a good one.
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LMFAO
A good one????
What, a good tard???
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lol lol I guess I am J Hill !!!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
If the Raiders or some other team wants to pay Palmer $20 million a year, so be it
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Debo,
doesn’t sound like OAK even wants to pay him $13 mil
I don’t understand though.
Didn’t he just throw for 4,000 yards & 22 TD’s ??
if Ginger’s supporting cast is as bad as everybody says it is and he deserves no blame for any of the losses, why even ask him to take a pay decrease?
$13 mil sounds reasonable if CP3 is the only winner on a stankhole team, no?
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I’m, with you man. This “supporting cast is garbage” blsht is a joke. JaMarcus would kill for this supporting cast. I’m just saying that there’s no rhyme or reason for player salaries. I’m blown away by the Flacco deal, but if that’s what Baltimore wants to pay him, so be it.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Bcz24 …
You clearly have a plan:
Dump Palmer and use half of that money for a QB half a good as him like ooooo say Matt Moore, Thigpen, Brady Quinn, Ryan Fitzpatrick, or heck maybe even Daunte Culpepper….
Then spend another chunk of that same money from dumping palmer on another vet QB to compete with other 2 …… maybe like a lienhart brought back, or rhett bohmar …. david carr even…maybe even david garrard
Wow now were talking, QB competition and great mentors for Pryor and the WR and offense will be smooth, everyone will develop and loads of FA’s will be drooling to come to oakland.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Stevie Johnson was on NFLN this morning and said that he had reached out to Jennings about coming to Buffalo. Said that Jennings told him that he wanted to go somewhere warm.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot
#Raiders’ DT Desmond Bryant on the #Browns’ radar in free agency.
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
March 6th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
hmm
so kevin hart is the lates brotha to put on the dress huh?
the plot to effiminize black youth continues, and at the expense of black women that are made caricatures fro it.
Hollywood is killing us
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What is ur problem ?? If he wants to do it let him do it , if u want to change sumthinh then go out n change it, writing 150 paragraphs about stupid bs on a football blog isn’t going to change anything
March 6th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Reggie dont give a F.. these are not his players. Let bryant walk.. let em all walk
March 6th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Matt Moore, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Chase Daniel, and Rex Grossman. Those are the top FA QBs available, genius.
Did they win 4 games between them last season?
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No question in my mind we win more than 4 games with Garrard or Campbell behind center.
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lol
official nfl documented history proved that jc already has won more than 4 games here
palmer has been an instant downgrade
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you’re ruining this blog, it’s seriously not because i disagree, but you talk about the same schit here daily, you won’t convince peole of your opinion and know one is convincing you. so kill the cp v tp debate already, the schit’s way past interesting
March 6th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Jennings is not coming here.. just like BOWE wasnt coming here… just like Mike Wallace is not coming here.
These guys are looking for 5yr 50 million dollar contracts.
NO FA is worth that.. HIGH PRICE FA’s rarely ever work. How did tampa do this year??
how did Bills do with all of their High priced FA’s last year? mario williams 100 milly contract.. Mark anderson and his 40 million dollar pass rush contract.
Had 1 sack
March 6th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
@773
A lot of truth in that.
Can’t blame em.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
1 hr SBreport SBreport @SBreport
This Yahoo article says Raiders could get as much as a 2nd and 3rd round pick for McFadden. Would you jump on that? http://goo.gl/NgxE
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Yes
March 6th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Go Raiders 10-6 optimism from 1 Raider fan >>. Pessimism from 10 whiners trolls, al the troll trollfoshow , Dr. The real troll n miss sups troll
March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
ESPN Ed Werners who is a legit sports journalist was just on 95.7 the game.
They asked him about Palmer and word around the combine and his sources says its likely PALMER will not be with RAIDERS next year.. HIGHLY likely.
Word is Reggie is ready to turn over this season to TERRELLE PRYOR.. reggie has already told OC once league starts in March 12 or whatver to get him ready.
Geno is still slight possibility but smokescreen more then anything
March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Jennings is not coming here.. just like BOWE wasnt coming here… just like Mike Wallace is not coming here.
These guys are looking for 5yr 50 million dollar contracts.
NO FA is worth that.. HIGH PRICE FA’s rarely ever work. How did tampa do this year??
how did Bills do with all of their High priced FA’s last year? mario williams 100 milly contract.. Mark anderson and his 40 million dollar pass rush contract.
Had 1 sack
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Never said he was or that I wanted him to. Just something different than the QB, Black Panther Party shizt.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Could be why Pryor already knows something and is training like he is gonna be starter ..with all the crew in the photos he been posting
March 6th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
DMAC Says:
This is DMAC checking in and checking out.
No disrespect to anyone, but this fk’n blog kind of sucks right now.
People keep talking bout’ the same ass schit.
Palmer this, Palmer that……
2 many trolls are killing this blog slowly.
I’ll holla at u playuhs later.
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Many are going thru’ the second stage of grief.
The five stages of grief;
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
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Denial-Pryor is better than Palmer. Look at that 53 per cent third down conversion rate! And red zone scoring!(forget that gift blocked punt at the 11 yard line)
Anger- Ongoing and vitriolic to the point of lunacy.
Bargaining-Beginning already. “At least there’s going to be an open competition for the QB position.”
Depression-Will set in during OTA’s and mini camps and all other team activities before training camp and pre season, with Palmer being the QB focus.
Acceptance-Palmer plays the first quarter of 3 out of 4 pre season games because he’s the starter.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Bcz24 …
You clearly have a plan:
Dump Palmer and use half of that money for a QB half a good as him like ooooo say Matt Moore, Thigpen, Brady Quinn, Ryan Fitzpatrick, or heck maybe even Daunte Culpepper….
Then spend another chunk of that same money from dumping palmer on another vet QB to compete with other 2 …… maybe like a lienhart brought back, or rhett bohmar …. david carr even…maybe even david garrard
Wow now were talking, QB competition and great mentors for Pryor and the WR and offense will be smooth, everyone will develop and loads of FA’s will be drooling to come to oakland.
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Not to mention that at least half of CP’s dead money gets accelerated by dumping him so we aren’t really even saving as much in cap space as restructuring CP again (if this years cap is the only thing one is worried about).
And who sez Matt Moore would come in cheap? There’s many teams looking for a new starter, and all it takes is two for a bidding war.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
McNutsack, I’ve been a Raider fan my whole life, but I also have eyes and even Ray Charles can see Reggie’s Raiders have no hope this season.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Per @VicTafur, OAK didn’t have cap room to sign Wheeler long term last year, but wanted to. Sounds like Brisiel may have gotten that money.
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I like wheeler.. I like his intensity.. but he is a slightly above average linebacker. Nothing to get all crazy over money wise
March 6th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Word is Elmis Dummervil could be CUT in a few days if he refuses PAY CUT..
Raiders should get that guy!
Aso will be cut in a day or so too .
NO VET SAFE
March 6th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Raiders set to cut McClain next week, with start of new fiscal year, to spread out salary-cap hit over more seasons
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Just sign Adams n Ross already
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
don’t think Raiders want Myers back really. Seen as a blocking liability
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
785.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Word is Elmis Dummervil could be CUT in a few days if he refuses PAY CUT..
Raiders should get that guy!
Aso will be cut in a day or so too .
NO VET SAFE
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Yeah, no way, but…but L. Star (draft) and Dummerville.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Per @JasonLaCanfora, Elvis Dumervil could be a cap casualty in Denver.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
NO FA is worth that.. HIGH PRICE FA’s rarely ever work. How did tampa do this year??
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glad you asked. they did much better than the year before. started out 6-4 in playoff contention and the defense let them down on the homestretch.
VJax signed for $55 mill for 5 years and worth every penny. Instantly upgraded Mike Williams who had a great rookie year but lacked separation skills and that Tampa offense was potent all around. They went from 4-12 to 7-9 and contending for a playoff spot up to the last 3 weeks.
I’d say a high priced FA WR is worth it, and can change the outlook of a team rather quickly. A lot of people will praise Tampa’s QB Josh Freeman, but he was a pick machine going down the stretch. If Palmer was the starting QB, I guar. that the Bucs make the playoffs last year.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Dutch,
Where does Sanders say anything about wanting to be traded? There were no if, ands or buts. The guy wasn’t feeling it anymore and retired. No comebacks, no nothing. End of story.
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Sanders’ retirement came somewhat unexpectedly and was a matter of controversy. Two years beforehand, Sanders had renewed his contract with the Lions for $35.4 million over six years with an $11 million signing bonus. The Lions demanded that he return $5.5 million of the bonus. Sanders refused, and the Lions sued. On February 15, 2000, an arbitrator ruled that Sanders had to immediately repay $1.833 million, or one-sixth of the bonus, with the remaining bonus to be repaid over each of the three years Sanders had left on the contract provided he STAYED RETIRED. Prior to the ruling, Sanders offered to pay back the entire $5.5 million in return for his release from the team. The Lions refused, stating they would welcome Sanders back to the team; otherwise, they would honor his announced retirement. Sanders’ agent David Ware lobbied the team to TRADE his client. However, it had been a long-standing practice for the Lions to not accommodate players’ requests for trades, and other teams were reluctant to discuss Sanders while he was still under contract.[12]
Several years after retirement, with repeated refusals to discuss the abruptness of it, Sanders finally admitted that the culture of losing in the Lions’ organization was too much to deal with even though he said that he could still play!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sanders#cite_note-12
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How is this even remotely comparable to the Palmer situation? He was ready to ride off into the sunset until the Lions sued. There was no “trade me or I will retire” ultimatum given. End of story.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
More Wheeler: “I definitely think it can be turned around in Oakland. Reggie McKenzie is the right guy and Dennis Allen is the right coach.”
March 6th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
ESPN Ed Werners who is a legit sports journalist was just on 95.7 the game.
They asked him about Palmer and word around the combine and his sources says its likely PALMER will not be with RAIDERS next year.. HIGHLY likely.
Word is Reggie is ready to turn over this season to TERRELLE PRYOR.. reggie has already told OC once league starts in March 12 or whatver to get him ready.
Geno is still slight possibility but smokescreen more then anything
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If true we just as well trade every veteran on roster for anything we can get. A fire sale.
We win 3 games tops with Pryor.
With Reggie moronically giving Brisiel a new contract, anything can happen!
Mistic and his sock puppets will be happy! We could lose the next 32 games in a row and he’d be happy as long as there is a black man as qb!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Matt Moore at 5 million, PLUS CP’s 9 million in dead money, equals what?
14 million? Thats nearly the same cap hit as it would be without restructuring CP.
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Attn: Gdog
Again – please leave the money stuff to the semi pros
Palmer’s cap figure is $15.335 mil
Next year it’s $17.335 mil
Dumping him today means a 9.3 mil cap hit, which can be spread over 2 years.
See the savings??
Plus you’re assuming Matt Moore would command $5 mil per after getting benched in favor of the rookie Tannehil? weird
We can probably get Moore or Cassel for less than $3 mil plus take the cap hit (divided by two = $4.65 mil in 2013) … that’s less than $8 mil this year, not 14
March 6th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
glad you asked. they did much better than the year before. started out 6-4 in playoff contention and the defense let them down on the homestretch.
VJax signed for $55 mill for 5 years and worth every penny. Instantly upgraded Mike Williams who had a great rookie year but lacked separation skills and that Tampa offense was potent all around. They went from 4-12 to 7-9 and contending for a playoff spot up to the last 3 weeks.
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ya thats not gonna happen. Reggie is not gonna pay anyone a 55 million dollar contract unless Clowney becomes a FA at 24
March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
McNutsack, I’ve been a Raider fan my whole life, but I also have eyes and even Ray Charles can see Reggie’s Raiders have no hope this season.
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The Raiders don’t need or want fans like you. Nothing but negative and always will be. Just Loose Baby. F cut the whole team and sit out the year. wtf
March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Debo, I mean Seymour, I Oakglenn is inbred.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
This Yahoo article says Raiders could get as much as a 2nd and 3rd round pick for McFadden. Would you jump on that?
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heck yah. In a heartbeat. beats waiting for a 5th round comp pick in 2015.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO! PLEASE NO GENO!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Well I will be 110% behind Pryor if he gets the gig, either way depsite what I feel in my gut.
Some of you trash every QB no matter what.
Why be a fan if you don’t support the guys depsite opinions.
Heck I remember hating JaMarcus and shamed and embarassed but cheered for him that denver game when he hit chaz schilenz for game winning slant.
i bleed silver & black, type away in this blog trolling
March 6th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
If true we just as well trade every veteran on roster for anything we can get. A fire sale.
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Im just telling you what Ed Werner said.. and 95.7 the game host said ED is well connected to every team.
He talked about wes welker, dashon goldson etc.. but palmer was a point since it was bay area.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
KirK, you are Kirktarded.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Wheeler: “There’s plenty of teams out there. It’s very important to me to get back to being part of a winning organization.”
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I cant blame him.. but still dont see him with a legit team as starter.. he kinda sucks in pass coverage. IMO
March 6th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Wheeler: “I don’t know if coming back (to Oakland) is best scenario or not. I had good time here but I’m not sure who’s on team next year.”
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This sounds like a PAY ME OR I WILL leave scenario to REGGIE.. haha REGGIE DONT care
SBreport @SBreport
Sounds like Philip Wheeler really does want to stay in Oakland.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
#Raiders negotiating w/ Philip Wheeler’s agent as we tweet. “I’m anxious,” Wheeler said over phone. “I’m not sure if it’s going well or not”
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We will know soon enough.. at least by the weekend
March 6th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
If true we just as well trade every veteran on roster for anything we can get. A fire sale.
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Attn: Gdog
i’m in!
it’s called rebuilding, ya heard?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Why would Wheeler want to be in Oakland?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
KirK, you are Kirktarded.
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Much better than a negative dumb f%ck.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Howard Eskin @howardeskin
Bad tweet. I jumped the gun on Nnamdi Asomugha. #eagles not releasing him 2day. But don’t worry it will happen. #fox29 bleep happens
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
March 6th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Not many teams play enough man coverage to feel comfortable with Asomugha. Jets and Seahawks come to mind. #Raiders, not so much.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
hmm
so kevin hart is the lates brotha to put on the dress huh?
the plot to effiminize black youth continues, and at the expense of black women that are made caricatures fro it.
Hollywood is killing us
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What is ur problem ?? If he wants to do it let him do it , if u want to change sumthinh then go out n change it, writing 150 paragraphs about stupid bs on a football blog isn’t going to change anything
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i criticized hollywood not kevin hart
learn to read
March 6th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
5 hrs Incarcerated Bob IBN Incarcerated Bob IBN @incarceratedbob
**BREAKING NFL NEWS**Source: New “Mystery Team” in #Revis chase + #Broncos #Niners pushing #Jets to get deal done @ http://ibnsportswrap.com/article.php?articleID=65 …
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Elway has deep pockets eh?? could be why they may release Dummbervil. That last play against baltimore was horrible
March 6th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
If shreg signs Jenkins & lets Bryant walk he should be fired on the spot
March 6th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Matt Moore, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Chase Daniel, and Rex Grossman. Those are the top FA QBs available, genius.
Did they win 4 games between them last season?
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No question in my mind we win more than 4 games with Garrard or Campbell behind center.
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lol
official nfl documented history proved that jc already has won more than 4 games here
palmer has been an instant downgrade
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you’re ruining this blog, it’s seriously not because i disagree, but you talk about the same schit here daily, you won’t convince peole of your opinion and know one is convincing you. so kill the cp v tp debate already, the schit’s way past interesting
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lol
inone turd calling out gdog
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Why would Wheeler want to be in Oakland?
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i hear its a real vacation capital !!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
It’s not negative Kirktard, it is based on preformance not wishful thinking.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Donks & 49ers want Revis?
I’m thinking mystery team could be Atlanta
March 6th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
It’s not negative Kirktard, it is based on preformance not wishful thinking.
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this time of year, thats all we have is wishful thinking !
March 6th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
LOL @ Mike
yeah – screw Disneyland, i’m taking my kids to Oakland!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
We can probably get Moore or Cassel for less than $3 mil plus take the cap hit (divided by two = $4.65 mil in 2013) … that’s less than $8 mil this year, not 14
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“How to Build a Winner” by RaiderRockstar.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Spoken like a true loser.
The Raiders are contenders.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
I just don’t get why people won’t support Pryor if indeed he is the starter.
McKenzie and Allen had ZERO intentions of playing this kid. Or at least it appeared that way.
IF he ends up actually starting, doesn’t that mean he EARNED it by PROVING HIMSELF to people who actually DOUBTED him?
Why would the GM and HC hitch their wagons to someone they thought couldn’t win?
You really think they want to get fired????
March 6th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Donks & 49ers want Revis?
I’m thinking mystery team could be Atlanta
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Bucs!
The Tampa Bay Times considers the Bucs a “very realistic landing spot” for Darrelle Revis.
The Bucs have a major need at cornerback, over $30 million in cap space and five draft picks in the first four rounds. Of six writers in a recent NFL.com panel, three picked Tampa as Revis’ most likely destination. The potential hang-up is that Revis would have to want to go there, as the Bucs surely won’t make a move without securing a long-term commitment. There should be multiple teams interested in Revis who are closer to the Super Bowl than Tampa.
Related: Buccaneers
Source: Tampa Bay Times
March 6th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
ESPN Ed Werners who is a legit sports journalist was just on 95.7 the game.
They asked him about Palmer and word around the combine and his sources says its likely PALMER will not be with RAIDERS next year.. HIGHLY likely.
Word is Reggie is ready to turn over this season to TERRELLE PRYOR.. reggie has already told OC once league starts in March 12 or whatver to get him ready.
Geno is still slight possibility but smokescreen more then anything
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If true we just as well trade every veteran on roster for anything we can get. A fire sale.
We win 3 games tops with Pryor.
With Reggie moronically giving Brisiel a new contract, anything can happen!
Mistic and his sock puppets will be happy! We could lose the next 32 games in a row and he’d be happy as long as there is a black man as qb!
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Well, it’s already been proven that you’re tickled pink to go 4-12 as long as there is a white man as QB.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Donks & 49ers want Revis?
I’m thinking mystery team could be Atlanta
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I would say Colts … imo
March 6th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Debo is ALWAYS WRONG.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
You know, I would love to see JaMarcus with last years cast too! Not sure it would have mattered!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
i wonder what separates the guys called selfish from the guys that are not?
hmmmmmm
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I’m guessing it’s “Perceived” Value….
If a player wants more money than the owner THINKS they’re worth -and they hold out- then they could be labeled “Selfish”
If the same situation arises but the players VALUE seems to be within the money they’re requesting; then they’re off the hook.
I think the whole perception of the “VALUE” is created by the fans, and the talking heads, and labels are issued accordingly. It all boils down to opinions of people who aren’t even involved and have no business declaring………(A giant Gossip Circle). Always has been / always will be.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRockstar…
I would rather pull Andrew Walter out of retirement & JaMarcus Russell for vet minimum each, that would solve all of our problems because its the cheapest way out, right?
lmao
March 6th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
It’s not negative Kirktard, it is based on preformance not wishful thinking.
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this time of year, thats all we have is wishful thinking !
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Exactley Mike. Last time I checked every team has the same record.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRockstar…
I would rather pull Andrew Walter out of retirement & JaMarcus Russell for vet minimum each, that would solve all of our problems because its the cheapest way out, right?
lmao
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lol lol… wont solve the black/white issue that a few here just wont let go of !!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Well if Jamarcus was with last year’s cast that would mean he wasn’t a drugged up fatty bust bust and would be a QB worth having start in the league. I can’t say that would be a bad thing.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Debo, I mean Seymour, I Oakglenn is inbred.
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Huh?? Ravings of an old, pathethic, scenile loser. Any of those around who can interepret this psychobabble?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
I’ve settled it. Lets get Mark Sanchez so nobody is happy.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Fire sale is the best strategy right now for Reggie because the 2013 Raiders have no hope to be competitive.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
rediaR Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
I’ve settled it. Lets get Mark Sanchez so nobody is happy.
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ROFLMAO!!!
this should be the post of the week !!!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Debo, what is your feeling about JaMarcus?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRockstar…
I would rather pull Andrew Walter out of retirement & JaMarcus Russell for vet minimum each, that would solve all of our problems because its the cheapest way out, right?
lmao
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Well, at least with JaMarcus we know we’d win at least 5 games. No chance in hell we get there with Carson. History is my witness.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
really Dr. ?? you just had to go there , didnt you ??
March 6th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Hunter S. Thompson
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Hunter S. Thompson
Thompson at the Miami Book Fair International of 1988
Born
Hunter Stockton Thompson
July 18, 1937
Louisville, Kentucky
Died
February 20, 2005 (aged 67)
Woody Creek, Colorado
Occupation
Journalist, author
Genres
Gonzo journalism
Literary movement
New Journalism
Notable work(s)
Hell’s Angels
The Rum Diary
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ‘72
The Curse of Lono
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Influences[show]
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Influenced[show]
Hunter Stockton Thompson (July 18, 1937 – February 20, 2005) was an American author and journalist. Born in Louisville, Kentucky to a middle class family, Thompson went off the rails in his teens after the death of his father left the family in poverty. He was unable to formally finish high school as he was incarcerated for 60 days after abetting a robbery.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Debo doesn’t understand the word “psychobabble”.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRockstar…
I would rather pull Andrew Walter out of retirement & JaMarcus Russell for vet minimum each, that would solve all of our problems because its the cheapest way out, right?
lmao
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Well, at least with JaMarcus we know we’d win at least 5 games. No chance in hell we get there with Carson. History is my witness.
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Now we are getting silly.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Well, at least with JaMarcus we know we’d win at least 5 games. No chance in hell we get there with Carson. History is my witness.
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omg… read this to fast. i thought it said you were witless !!! lol lol… sorry. carry on.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Fire sale? Reggie should round em all up out front of Raiders HQ and put little round yellow, orange, and green neon stickers on every vet. Have him an NFL rummage sale!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
rediaR Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRockstar…
I would rather pull Andrew Walter out of retirement & JaMarcus Russell for vet minimum each, that would solve all of our problems because its the cheapest way out, right?
lmao
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Well, at least with JaMarcus we know we’d win at least 5 games. No chance in hell we get there with Carson. History is my witness.
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Now we are getting silly.
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Refute my statement Einsten.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Kirk never heard of HTS.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
these rumors have us all going to he11 in a handbasket! time to accept our fate! We’re doomed!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
@ gdog
Im against palmer because he stinks, not his skin color
dont be a moron
oh you cant help it
March 6th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
@ gdog
Im against palmer because he stinks, not his skin color
dont be a moron
oh you cant help it
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Actually u r a racist sack of sch!t but i guess u just can’t help it either way gear up for another year of the faired haired hero suck on that biatch
March 6th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
We are doomed until we get some new leadership.
Reggie is an over matched rube.
It is well documented.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
769.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Bcz24 …
You clearly have a plan:
Dump Palmer and use half of that money for a QB half a good as him like ooooo say Matt Moore, Thigpen, Brady Quinn, Ryan Fitzpatrick, or heck maybe even Daunte Culpepper….
Then spend another chunk of that same money from dumping palmer on another vet QB to compete with other 2 …… maybe like a lienhart brought back, or rhett bohmar …. david carr even…maybe even david garrard
Wow now were talking, QB competition and great mentors for Pryor and the WR and offense will be smooth, everyone will develop and loads of FA’s will be drooling to come to oakland.
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Whoa whoa whoa… Relax guys. I am not advocating cutting Palmer. Not at all. But the fact is simple. His cap charge this year is $16.68 million dollars, his cap charge if they cut him is 9.3 mill which as has been mentioned can be absorbed over 2 years. It’s simple economics, They can save nearly 12 million towards this years cap by cutting him or even 8 million if they take the dead money pill all at once this year. There are plenty of mediocre vets that can come in and mentor ‘The Legend’ through next season where we can decide whether or not he has the chops to make it as a pro.
Palmer isn’t getting a $13 million salary on the open market. Period. Most of the teams you mentioned are either near the cap, or like the Jets WAY over it. They can’t afford to drop that kinda money on a 33 year old vet anymore than we can.
Vick took the paycut because just like Palmer, he wasn’t getting any more money on the open market, and Palmer will sign a very similar deal. Write that down
March 6th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
We are doomed until we get some new leadership.
Reggie is an over matched rube.
It is well documented.
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Mom’s been passing you little note with your pp&j again?
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
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Yet he won five games in a season here, something that Carson Palmer has failed to do in any of his last THREE seasons. And he won those five games with a supporting cast that was 100 times worse than any of the ones that surrounded Palmer.
March 6th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
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Yet he won five games in a season here, something that Carson Palmer has failed to do in any of his last THREE seasons. And he won those five games with a supporting cast that was 100 times worse than any of the ones that surrounded Palmer.
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Russell is a pathetic fat loser. Is he still tipping the scales at 300 lbs ?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
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Yet he won five games in a season here, something that Carson Palmer has failed to do in any of his last THREE seasons. And he won those five games with a supporting cast that was 100 times worse than any of the ones that surrounded Palmer.
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Uh..OK. Thats why teams have been linning up for his services. LMFAO
March 6th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Crazy high salaries at the top of the scale for elite players and escalating by the minute in free agency..
coupled with a salary cap that is escalating at only 3% per year.
Something’s gotta give. This is become a league of a few have’s and a whole lotta have nots.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
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Yet he won five games in a season here, something that Carson Palmer has failed to do in any of his last THREE seasons. And he won those five games with a supporting cast that was 100 times worse than any of the ones that surrounded Palmer.
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that is interesting
russel has won more games n a season as a raider than plamer has?
wow golden haired hero…..EXPOSED
March 6th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
“How to Build a Winner” by RaiderRockstar.
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thanks Purv!
it’s all starts with getting rid of overpaid underachievers. you get your cap in order, get as many draft picks as possible and you implement your system/scheme.
Reggie has to start by purging as many “out of whack” contracts as he can. Seymour & McClain are gone – much like Wimbley & Routt last year.
Palmer, Heyward-Bey & Kelly are currently on the “hot seat”
March 6th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
With the 89% rule going into effect this season I can see FA’s becoming more expensive.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Palmer, Heyward-Bey & Kelly are currently on the “hot seat”
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you realize that the accelerated cap hit make it almost impossible to cut all 3?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
i say draft geno if we can’t trade down. if we can, pick up our qb in the 2nd or late 1st. even if we keep palmer we need our qb of the future…if the coaches don’t feel it’s pryor we have to make a move now
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
I’m against Palmer becuase of his skin color, I hate orange people.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
852.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
We are doomed until we get some new leadership.
Reggie is an over matched rube.
It is well documented.
^^^^^^^^
Actually the key is getting better coaches.
Whats the deal with Holmgren? He said no huh?
Figures…
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Russell was drug addict.
People defending him obviously have an agenda.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
ian85 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
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Yet he won five games in a season here, something that Carson Palmer has failed to do in any of his last THREE seasons. And he won those five games with a supporting cast that was 100 times worse than any of the ones that surrounded Palmer.
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Russell is a pathetic fat loser. Is he still tipping the scales at 300 lbs ?
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He got under 300 lbs last week. Comeback is right on schedule. Looks like he’s moving around very well. By the way, this was just posted yesterday. Ready to admit you were wrong about the JR news drying up a few weeks ago?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1553656-comeback-2013-jamarcus-russell-airs-it-out
March 6th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
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Yet he won five games in a season here, something that Carson Palmer has failed to do in any of his last THREE seasons. And he won those five games with a supporting cast that was 100 times worse than any of the ones that surrounded Palmer.
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that is interesting
russel has won more games n a season as a raider than plamer has?
wow golden haired hero…..EXPOSED
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So just to get this straight. Your saying Russel is a better QB? Please say yes and prove what everyone else thinks.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Something’s gotta give. This is become a league of a few have’s and a whole lotta have nots.
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Listened to an interview with Joe Linta, Flaccos agent, on Monday and he was talking about the same thing. There will always be the mega-deals at the top, and the minimum and split deals at the bottom, but its the ‘middle class’ players that are suffering.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Russell was drug addict.
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Prove it.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
He got under 300 lbs last week. Comeback is right on schedule.
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Read that again and tell me that doesn’t sound INSANE!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
I would rather pull Andrew Walter out of retirement & JaMarcus Russell for vet minimum each, that would solve all of our problems because its the cheapest way out, right?
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paradise,
I do not advocate bringing in former Raiders or guys out of retirement, so the answer to your sarcastic question is “no”
You can bash me all you want for suggesting Moore & Clemens though. Have at it!
I’m telling you right now the QB derby of Pryor/Moore/Clemens not only saves $$$ but produces more wins than Palmer or Leinart
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Refute my statement Einsten.
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Uh……………….Russel sucks!
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Yet he won five games in a season here, something that Carson Palmer has failed to do in any of his last THREE seasons. And he won those five games with a supporting cast that was 100 times worse than any of the ones that surrounded Palmer.
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that is interesting
russel has won more games n a season as a raider than plamer has?
wow golden haired hero…..EXPOSED
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And u have been exposed for a racist and a bias pos on several occasions
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Russell had a cast of all stars compared to Palmer.
It don’t matter. Raiders need to go after Sanchez asap.
The Jets are willing to part w/ him. His salary is not much different from Palmer’s and he’s younger. The “San-chize” is just what this team needs.
Sign him at 15 mill a yr. over 5 years. $ 75 mill. is not much for an elite qb like Sanchez.
If we draft a QB I say we go with either Tyler Bray or Matt Barkley. If Matty would’ve come out as a junior he would’ve been top 5. Staying on his senior yr only sevred to help his seasoning and poise.
Geno? Pleeeeze. I think we learned our lesson with Jamarcus.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
SILLY oakglenn.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
863.irjonny Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
i say draft geno if we can’t trade down. if we can, pick up our qb in the 2nd or late 1st. even if we keep palmer we need our qb of the future…if the coaches don’t feel it’s pryor we have to make a move now
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Or get EJ Manuel or Tyler Bray in Round 3.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
I’m against Palmer becuase of his skin color, I hate orange people.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
If Russel and Palmer were both free agents tomorrow, 32 out of 32 teams would take Palmer. It isn’t even a question. It is however amusing to watch you continue to make a fool of yourself.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Listened to an interview with Joe Linta, Flaccos agent, on Monday and he was talking about the same thing. There will always be the mega-deals at the top, and the minimum and split deals at the bottom, but its the ‘middle class’ players that are suffering.
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looks like the players signed a raw deal.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
HAHAHAHA Debo u r such a comedian
March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
I’m telling you right now the QB derby of Pryor/Moore/Clemens not only saves $$$ but produces more wins than Palmer or Leinart
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Of course you can easily say that. It will never happen so it is purely speculation.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Matt Moore, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Chase Daniel, and Rex Grossman. Those are the top FA QBs available, genius.
Did they win 4 games between them last season?
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No question in my mind we win more than 4 games with Garrard or Campbell behind center.
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Yeah but you still think Jamarcus is a great QB, so…
Delusional
March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Palmer isn’t getting a $13 million salary on the open market. Period. Most of the teams you mentioned are either near the cap, or like the Jets WAY over it. They can’t afford to drop that kinda money on a 33 year old vet anymore than we can.
Vick took the paycut because just like Palmer, he wasn’t getting any more money on the open market, and Palmer will sign a very similar deal. Write that down
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That is what I am hoping for about 9 million which would save us 4 against cap and give him a “fair” salary as well.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
irjonny Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
i say draft geno if we can’t trade down. if we can, pick up our qb in the 2nd or late 1st. even if we keep palmer we need our qb of the future…if the coaches don’t feel it’s pryor we have to make a move now
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Even if they do think Pryor is the answer, then they should find a QB with a similiar skill set. It’s a good probability with his game that he could get injured. Wether they find that guy this year or next is the ?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
If Russel and Palmer were both free agents tomorrow, 32 out of 32 teams would take Palmer. It isn’t even a question. It is however amusing to watch you continue to make a fool of yourself.
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Yeah, and Reggie would rather have DA as HC over Hue. So what?? Has Carson ever gotten us to five wins, or hasn’t he? Simple question?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Please no to Geno who is going to be Marc Wilson 2.0
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
It doesn’t matter who plays QB when the rest of the team is so pitiful.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
I’m telling you right now the QB derby of Pryor/Moore/Clemens not only saves $$$ but produces more wins than Palmer or Leinart
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Of course you can easily say that. It will never happen so it is purely speculation.
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I think the above was called the KC Chiefs last year. LOL. They had more pro bowlers than wins!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
If Russel and Palmer were both free agents tomorrow, 32 out of 32 teams would take Palmer. It isn’t even a question. It is however amusing to watch you continue to make a fool of yourself.
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Yeah, and Reggie would rather have DA as HC over Hue. So what?? Has Carson ever gotten us to five wins, or hasn’t he? Simple question?
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It truly is beyond u isn’t it
March 6th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Are we really having a debate over QB’s who won 4 or 5 games in a season? You guys set the bar reaallly low. Who gives a sh!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Debo and the rest of his alias’s have one common denominator; lack of knowledge of pro football.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Yeah, and Reggie would rather have DA as HC over Hue. So what?? Has Carson ever gotten us to five wins, or hasn’t he? Simple question?
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I did not know QB had full control of wins. I guess that is the case when it is convient for your agruement. How many wins did HOFer Moss get us in 2007 – oh he must suck. Woops he broke the NFL record for TDs a year later when surrounded with right people.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
hwnrdr Says:
You know, I would love to see JaMarcus with last years cast too! Not sure it would have mattered!
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In the win/loss column? Probably not. He could flash on occasion. Not surprising for a no. 1 pick. Still remember that 17 yard strike to Watkins on 4th down in Arrowhead late in the 4th for a first and soon to be win.
Nobody was near Watkins, but at least he got the ball there.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Russell was drug addict.
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Prove it.
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Ex-Oakland Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell arrested – NFL News …
msn.foxsports.com/…/JaMarcus-Russell-arrested-codeine-syrup-0705…
Mar 25, 2011 – Former Oakland Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell was arrested in Alabama on Monday for possession of a controlled substance, which …
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Anyways if Mumbles chooses not to go with Palmer this year hopefully we take Barkley or Tyler Wilson somewhere in the draft
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
VicTafur reports that negotiations between the Raiders and Philip Wheeler have stalled after Wheelers agent asked that the meeting be moved to Denny’s. McKennzie reportedly called the agent a “Racist” and refuses to take anymore phone calls.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Palmer, Heyward-Bey & Kelly are currently on the “hot seat”
you realize that the accelerated cap hit make it almost impossible to cut all 3?
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@G123
peep this:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/cap-hit/
we can pay Palmer $15+ million to stay or $9+ million to leave
we can pay Kelly $11+ million to stay or $6+ million to leave
we can pay Heyward-Bey $10+ million to stay or $5+ million to leave
we can pay McClain $6+ million to stay or $10+ million to leave
#55 is the only guy who COSTS money to get rid of and that seems like a forgone conclusion …
March 6th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Palmer is 9.3 million in dead money … so he would only save 3.7 mill roughly against the cap for this year and prolong the carry over of dead money.
Again, like I said leverage.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Why the Oakland Raiders Need to Trade Darren McFadden
Raiders Can Get More Draft Picks for Injury-stricken Running Back
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Darren McFadden.
COMMENTARY | You can call him Darren McFragile or even Darren McFracture.
Either way, Oakland Raiders’ star running back Darren McFadden has earned the reputation of being one of the most injury-plagued running backs in the NFL.
McFadden has spent five years in the league and has failed to play in more than 13 games in any season.
When healthy, McFadden is one of the most electrifying running backs in the NFL.
Let me emphasize the when healthy part.
The problem is he can never stay healthy.
As McFadden enters the final year of his contract, the Raiders must make a decision on whether he deserves a long-term deal after 2013.
McFadden is expected to take a cap hit of nearly $10 million next season. That sure is a lot of money for a player who can barely finish three-fourths of a season.
With general manager Reggie McKenzie searching to free up some cash before next season begins, McFadden’s inability to stay healthy should persuade him into exploring a trade for the injury-prone running back.
Oakland could easily get a second-round and possibly another third-round pick for McFadden, which would be huge for the Raiders since they currently don’t have a second-rounder.
If McFadden does get dealt, it’s not like Oakland would be left cold in the backfield. Marcel Reece was a stud in McFadden’s absence last season as he averaged 4.6 yards per carry and was just as dangerous catching the football.
He was also the only Raider to make the Pro Bowl in 2012.
Reece is only making $1.4 million next season, and he’s proven he can stay healthy for an entire season.
McKenzie can get solid production and sustainability at one-seventh of the cost for Reece than he can for McFadden.
Not a bad price for a general manager who is still left to clean the remnants of a financial disaster left behind by Al Davis.
DMC has been a class-act in Oakland, and his ability to baffle opposing defenses had given the Raiders’ hope that they had finally found a long-term running back.
Unfortunately, McFadden’s body is made of glass.
It just isn’t worth it to pay a guy $10 million when he can’t even give you more than 13 games a season.
Steven Slivka is a Featured Columnist for the Oakland Raiders. You can follow him on Twitter @stevenslivka
March 6th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Debo ur a moron u must be part of Russell’s entourage
March 6th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
“I would like to see JR with last years team”
We did see it – It was called the 2006 Oakland Raiders or maybe the 1979 Tampa Bay Bucs.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
ian85 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Debo ur a moron u must be part of Russell’s entourage
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OR swinging on his johnson !!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Some of us drink the cool-aid. Debo loves the purple drank.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
GreenParty…. its 420
PUFF PUFF PASS !!!
I am out of here !!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
@ RRS,
Like you say, we are going to cut McClain. You know it. I know it. Maybe not till June 1st but it’s gonna happen. Now add in Seymour’s dead money and the others and that’s $17.5 mill right there. Palmer + Kelly + Heyward Bey + McClain + Seymour + others and we are operating at somewhere below even last years live cap number. That’s pretty bleak!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
The cream of the crop is Matty Barkley. He comes from a good family and is a Christian. Plus he has a cannon for an arm and came from a great QB school.
Barkley as a junior was better than Geno as a senior.
Geno is a sham and a farce. He’s a quick ticket to football hell for any franchise stupid enough to draft him; and Pryor? OMG! Are you kidding me?
There’s a reason none of the other 31 want anything to do with him. He tries hard but NEWSFLASH PEOPLE- You have to be able to throw the football at the QB position.
The “SanChize” IS THE BEST OPTION. Pay him whatever he wants and maybe we’ll get lucky and he comes aboard.
If we can get Welker than we have a top 3 QB-WR connection.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
i have a huge problem with EVER signing a vet QB over the age of 28 or so to be the starter. draft draft draft. that’s how you win MULTIPLE super bowls and stay relevant for years.
steve young: 1 SB
Joe Montana: 4 SB
what was the last super bowl team to be led my a QB not drafted by that team?
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
lets see here…drew brees, trent dilfer(?), steve young?
3 out of 23. not bad lol
March 6th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Raider reps. at UTEP’s Pro Day!!
Hmmm…
March 6th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
I guarantee if we were to get rid of Palmer and take Matt Barkley in this draft (hopefully a 7th if it happened) Pryor would beat him out. The only positive that could come from Barkley is him convincing Reggie how much of a stud Marqise Lee is.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Agreed with Steven Slivka. Trade DMAC for the best offer on the table. He’s structurally unsound. Like I heard earlier Liz Franc is a female dog and she don’t play! Time to let someone else ride his contract year.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
GreenParty…. its 420
PUFF PUFF PASS !!!
I am out of here !!!
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Good idea Mike! It’s gonna make this Russel crap that much funnier!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
I’m against Palmer becuase of his skin color, I hate orange people.
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What about Reggie?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
899.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Palmer is 9.3 million in dead money … so he would only save 3.7 mill roughly against the cap for this year and prolong the carry over of dead money.
Again, like I said leverage.
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You are wrong. You aren’t factoring in the signing bonus with his salary. His cap hit this year is 15.35 mill, we could save 6 million, which to a cap strapped team is a lot of jack, And you are also forgetting the provision that we can spread the dead money hit over 2 years which lowers palmers dead money hit this year to under 5 mill. We could knock 10 mill of this cap getting rid of Palmer. Leverage gone. Everyone in the world knows there isn’t a chance in hell Palmer plays for us under his current salary.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Terrel Pryor is the guest on PFT later on today.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Mark Barkley is not NFL caliber, he proved it last year.
The only pick worse than that would be Teo.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Merril hoge spot on about geno smith, misses open targets, slow in getting ball out, bad reads and needs work on feet.
If Reggie picks him I might as well give up!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Ian85 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Anyways if Mumbles chooses not to go with Palmer this year hopefully we take Barkley or Tyler Wilson somewhere in the draft
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..or Tyler Bray. The ONLY QB’s worth anything in the draft…period. Exclamation point!
Geno is playing games. His trickery and slight of hand have gotten him to this point but like Pryor’s freak show it’s gonna end in misery and disgust.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
We win 3 games tops with Pryor.
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we could easily win more than 3 games with pryor this year. its crazy how some people could just make crazy assumptions of him off of his first ever career start. Russell wilson looked horrible in his 1st start, actually he looked bad up until his 5th or 6th start, now he is the future of the franchise. Andrew :Luck had 1 td 3 picks in his first start, and he had a hard time completing a 5 yd out route he kept sailing over receivers heads. good thing for the colts and seahawks their coaches aren’t as crazy as some of you people on here. thank god you guys aren’t running this team.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
I also remember Russell running(kind of) up field and blocking a couple guys on a screen I think. His blocking technique sucked, but his mere presence was actually effective.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
personally i want tyler bray, or tyler wilson. can be done with multiple trade downs and i say start him right away. why not?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
lets see here…drew brees, trent dilfer(?), steve young?
3 out of 23. not bad lol
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Kurt Warner, 4 out of 23
March 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
I’m against Palmer becuase of his skin color, I hate orange people.
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What about Reggie?
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Reggie is spotted, spotted people are cool.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
All you guys arguing about Palmer…bottom line is the team will compete, but playoffs unrealistic. For that reason alone I want Pryor thrown out there and see what he can do, anybody here thinking playoffs is delusional and needs medical help immediately
March 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
And technically Eli Manning was traded to the Giants.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
I also remember Russell running(kind of) up field and blocking a couple guys on a screen I think. His blocking technique sucked, but his mere presence was actually effective.
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lmao i can remember that too, that made me laugh just now.
*mere presence lmao
truth tho
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
913.bcz24 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
899.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Palmer is 9.3 million in dead money … so he would only save 3.7 mill roughly against the cap for this year and prolong the carry over of dead money.
Again, like I said leverage.
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You are wrong. You aren’t factoring in the signing bonus with his salary. His cap hit this year is 15.35 mill, we could save 6 million, which to a cap strapped team is a lot of jack, And you are also forgetting the provision that we can spread the dead money hit over 2 years which lowers palmers dead money hit this year to under 5 mill. We could knock 10 mill of this cap getting rid of Palmer. Leverage gone. Everyone in the world knows there isn’t a chance in hell Palmer plays for us under his current salary.
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and if he signs with another team the money they give him is taken off of what we owe him. so it could actually be more savings.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Merril Hodge on ESPN just blasted Geno Smith said he doesn’t have the skill set to go in the first round he said his decision making and accuracy is awful said he has bust written all over him and i absolutely couldn’t agree with him more Mcshay also has a 2nd round grade on him
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
The cream of the crop is Matty Barkley. He comes from a good family and is a Christian. Plus he has a cannon for an arm and came from a great QB school.
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Nope. Great. Irrelevant. Hardly. Great?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Is the new gold standard 5 wins? Is it 6 wins? What do you consider success? Man, I thought this was a Raider board!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Landry jones
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Umm no joke TIM TEBOW can win you more then 4 games.. OUR WR’s dont catch the ball anyhow.. just let him pass for 10x a game and run it with DMAC
Throws a great deep ball
Matt Moore, Pryor, Tewbow or trade play for player with Matt Flynn
ROMAC for TEBOW.. Michelle HUFF for Flynn
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Let’s face it. Pryor couldn’t beat out Kyle Boller.
Matty Leinart looks like Joe Montana compared to Pryor.
If Pryor takes the helm look for 18 int’s in the first 5 games and 6 fumbles at least.
I’m sick of his games and shenanigans.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Remember Russell getting sacked? Three D line uglies, maybe a thousand pounds of malice, would hit him, and it still looked like he was going down in slow motion.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
920.irjonny Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
personally i want tyler bray, or tyler wilson. can be done with multiple trade downs and i say start him right away. why not?
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the knock on pryor is that he is inaccurate, bray is crazy inaccurate, and far less athletic. just throwing that out there.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
kurt warner doesn’t count cause he’s one of my fav QBs of all time lol. 4 out of 23 then
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
If true we just as well trade every veteran on roster for anything we can get. A fire sale.
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Attn: Gdog
i’m in!
it’s called rebuilding, ya heard?
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You must enjoy watching horrible teams huh. To each their own!
Reggie kinda already dropped the ball with this fire sale idea though by rewarding the horrible Brisiel with more guaranteed money.
Guess he thinks he can build the team around him instead of CP!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
918.NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
We win 3 games tops with Pryor.
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we could easily win more than 3 games with pryor this year. its crazy how some people could just make crazy assumptions of him off of his first ever career start. Russell wilson looked horrible in his 1st start, actually he looked bad up until his 5th or 6th start, now he is the future of the franchise. Andrew :Luck had 1 td 3 picks in his first start, and he had a hard time completing a 5 yd out route he kept sailing over receivers heads. good thing for the colts and seahawks their coaches aren’t as crazy as some of you people on here. thank god you guys aren’t running this team.
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Thank god Russell Wilson looked bad early…won me my fantasy football championship!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
10-6
March 6th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
anybody here thinking playoffs is delusional and needs medical help immediately
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Not true, our division is really weak after Denver, and would if Peyton gets whacked?
I for one will never rule out playoffs …
March 6th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Jim Plunkett was a Free Agent that won us multiple superbowls.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Pryor could easily beat out Boller.. just let him work with the 1st teamers.
Pryor played 10x better with 2 practices then Boller played all week as starter in that KC game.. thats with a bunch of ppl like the coaching thinking he couldnt handle a huddle.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Reggie is going to do the fill in route this year cheap free agents at low prices so don’t hold your breath for Avril or any high priced first day signing
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
what was the last super bowl team to be led my a QB not drafted by that team?
** Lot more than 3!!!!!!!!!!! ***
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs (Not sure drafted)
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs Not drafted by Pack
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs Not drafted by Rams
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD Not drafted
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs (Not drafted)
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs (Not Drafted)
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
*** I have at least six 6 and Tom Brady was a 6th round pic not some high round expenditure***
What is your point again?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
I have to leave this place before my head explodes. I can’t see people advocate Geno, Barkley, Moore, Sanchez, Jamarcus and Tebow in such a short time period without risk of some sort of physical ailment.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
939. If the Raiders are not competeing for the Division or a Playoff spot this year, then it’s another failure by the organization. No more Excuses.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Reggie is going to do the fill in route this year cheap free agents at low prices so don’t hold your breath for Avril or any high priced first day signing
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been trying to tell them , this is how its gonna be. Build through the draft which is why im saying trade back for more picks makes sense. and they will be “his guys”
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
guest123 Says:
Is the new gold standard 5 wins? Is it 6 wins? What do you consider success? Man, I thought this was a Raider board!
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Palmer starts. 12 and 4. Playoffs. Gets hurt in the opening series of AFC Championship game. Pryor pulls it out against the overpaid Flacco. Wins the Superbowl against Kap and the Niners.
How’s that?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Yeah, and Reggie would rather have DA as HC over Hue. So what?? Has Carson ever gotten us to five wins, or hasn’t he? Simple question?
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I did not know QB had full control of wins. I guess that is the case when it is convient for your agruement. How many wins did HOFer Moss get us in 2007 – oh he must suck. Woops he broke the NFL record for TDs a year later when surrounded with right people.
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Right, I get it. Palmer isn’t in control of wins and losses. He’s a victim in the Grand Raider Tragedy. It’s the receivers, poor year by McFadden, the O-Line, Knapp, etc. Everyone and everything BUT the great Carson Palmer. Meanwhile JaMarcus failed because of JaMarcus. Because he was fat, lazy and stupid. No one to blame but himself. I’m vomiting now.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Just don’t see it playoffs no way. Sure Peyton could go down, but denver d much better, chargers will be better, sorry don’t see it. Hey would love this team to get righted but in 1 more year yes.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Looking at Cullen Jenkins old ass? For what? I dont want any more damn guys over 30 at DT. Jenkins already been paid so he will just collect a check. Gimme someone under 30 who hasnt landed a big contract yet
March 6th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
guest123 Says:
Is the new gold standard 5 wins? Is it 6 wins? What do you consider success? Man, I thought this was a Raider board!
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Palmer starts. 12 and 4. Playoffs. Gets hurt in the opening series of AFC Championship game. Pryor pulls it out against the overpaid Flacco. Wins the Superbowl against Kap and the Niners.
How’s that?
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Taiwan Jones with the game winning pick 6?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Is the new gold standard 5 wins? Is it 6 wins? What do you consider success? Man, I thought this was a Raider board!
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Get on board with the losing our way to prosperity train!
We need to dump all our good players and start the horrible ones so they can all learn how to win by losing.
It works every time… we are the Neo-Lions!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
947.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
guest123 Says:
Is the new gold standard 5 wins? Is it 6 wins? What do you consider success? Man, I thought this was a Raider board!
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Palmer starts. 12 and 4. Playoffs. Gets hurt in the opening series of AFC Championship game. Pryor pulls it out against the overpaid Flacco. Wins the Superbowl against Kap and the Niners.
How’s that?
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That’s how i like my kool aid,… SPIKED with Wild Turkey!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
If true we just as well trade every veteran on roster for anything we can get. A fire sale.
We win 3 games tops with Pryor.
With Reggie moronically giving Brisiel a new contract, anything can happen!
Mistic and his sock puppets will be happy! We could lose the next 32 games in a row and he’d be happy as long as there is a black man as qb!
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You got that wrong , he will be happy if the Raiders lose period regardless of the skin color, he’s not a true Raiders fan, he’s MR
March 6th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Let’s face it. Pryor couldn’t beat out Kyle Boller.
Matty Leinart looks like Joe Montana compared to Pryor.
If Pryor takes the helm look for 18 int’s in the first 5 games and 6 fumbles at least.
I’m sick of his games and shenanigans
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this is the dumbest statement i’ve seen. terrelle pryor had been with on the team and actually able to work out the same amount of days as palmer was when the kc game came arond and he wasn’t able to look at playbook or anything (he waas suspended 6 games, remember)
matt lenhart doesn’t look like joe montana, ever, ever. he couldn’t even score against the panthers who had one of the worst defense in the nfl.
16-32 for 147 yds, 3.0 ypa, 0 tds, 1 int. 4-15 3rd down conversions (26%)… hahahahah
this makes even normal pryor haters look realistic/sane.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
according to mcxcuse20 we need to lose to win…
March 6th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Exactly, give it one more year to build to 2014 cheaper fill ins see what pryor can do and see if we want to, keep McFadden long term.
All this points to Palmer getting cut or severely restructured.
That is why reggie brings in jenkins….32 and cheap
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Taiwan Jones with the game winning pick 6?
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Fumble recovery off of a Crushing tackle by Huff.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Tebow would not be a bad choice actually.
Build around a real winner.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Right, I get it. Palmer isn’t in control of wins and losses. He’s a victim in the Grand Raider Tragedy. It’s the receivers, poor year by McFadden, the O-Line, Knapp, etc. Everyone and everything BUT the great Carson Palmer. Meanwhile JaMarcus failed because of JaMarcus. Because he was fat, lazy and stupid. No one to blame but himself. I’m vomiting now.
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Trivia: CP threw for 4000 yards in 14 games.
How many games did it take JaMoney to accomplish this?
25
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I just want the Raiders to freaking win regardless of the skin color of the freakin QB
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Well if we truly r gonna get rid of all our older players and completely rebuild then we need to trade out of the third pick and collect more draft pics
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
I’m against Palmer becuase of his skin color, I hate orange people.
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What about Reggie?
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Reggie is spotted, spotted people are cool.
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lol lol.. standing on the wrong side of the fan when the sh1t hit !!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Tebow would not be a bad choice actually.
Build around a real winner.
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I bet he could beat out Pryor
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Right, I get it. Palmer isn’t in control of wins and losses. He’s a victim in the Grand Raider Tragedy. It’s the receivers, poor year by McFadden, the O-Line, Knapp, etc. Everyone and everything BUT the great Carson Palmer. Meanwhile JaMarcus failed because of JaMarcus. Because he was fat, lazy and stupid. No one to blame but himself. I’m vomiting now.
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Trivia: CP threw for 4000 yards in 14 games.
How many games did it take JaMoney to accomplish this?
25
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Yet he could match JR’s FIVE wins in a season. Stats are for losers.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Love merril hoge, just ripping Teo considers him 2nd or 3rd round
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Tebow would not be a bad choice actually.
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Lets just get Tebow, Pryor, and Vince Young all in camp and the first one to throw it through a tire swing from 30 yards out starts!!
It might take a few weeks but we will be golden after that!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
guest123 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Is the new gold standard 5 wins? Is it 6 wins? What do you consider success? Man, I thought this was a Raider board!
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It’s MOSTLY Raider board,
and partially Agenda board
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Palmer starts. 12 and 4. Playoffs. Gets hurt in the opening series of AFC Championship game. Pryor pulls it out against the overpaid Flacco. Wins the Superbowl against Kap and the Niners.
How’s that?
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has palmer ever gotten 12 wins in his entire 9 year nfl career?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I just want the Raiders to freaking win regardless of the skin color of the freakin QB
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Yeah, right.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
What’s with the Teo fascination let the guy breathe in peace
March 6th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Tebow would win more then palmer with this Roster. Perfect team for him.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Love it Mcshay knows squat, merril hoge makes that clear.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Palmer starts. 12 and 4. Playoffs. Gets hurt in the opening series of AFC Championship game. Pryor pulls it out against the overpaid Flacco. Wins the Superbowl against Kap and the Niners.
How’s that?
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has palmer ever gotten 12 wins in his entire 9 year nfl career?
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He needs to start with 5 wins and we can go from there.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Someone needs to set Pryor aside for his own good and let him know the truth.
He will NEVER be an NFL QB. QB’s have to be able to throw the football.
There’s other careers out there for a guy like him.
His effort is admirable, but it’s time he hung it up.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I just want the Raiders to freaking win regardless of the skin color of the freakin QB
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Yeah, right.
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Said the guy who thinks Jamarcus will take over for Brady lol
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Yet he could match JR’s FIVE wins in a season. Stats are for losers.
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So when comparing QBs… individual stats don’t count but team stats such as wins and losses do?
No wonder you think stats are for losers! They must really really confuse you!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
You must enjoy watching horrible teams huh.
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What happened to rooting for your team’s starting QB?
Sounds like you’re throwing in the towel before you see the guy play.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
For some reason, I cannot wait to see how Taiwan Jones fairs at CB!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Tebow would win more then palmer with this Roster. Perfect team for him.
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Stop doing drugs
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
If the Raiders are not competeing for the Division or a Playoff spot this year, then it’s another failure by the organization. No more Excuses
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Just Win, Baby!
Commitment to Excellence!
No More Excuses!
Sad, but true.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Debo ur a joke
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Yet he could match JR’s FIVE wins in a season. Stats are for losers.
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So when comparing QBs… individual stats don’t count but team stats such as wins and losses do?
No wonder you think stats are for losers! They must really really confuse you!
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Why do stats matter if you continually lose games?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
JaMarcus failed because of JaMarcus. Because he was fat, lazy and stupid. No one to blame but himself.
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Most sense you’ve made all day.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Tebow would not be a bad choice actually.
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Lets just get Tebow, Pryor, and Vince Young all in camp and the first one to throw it through a tire swing from 30 yards out starts!!
It might take a few weeks but we will be golden after that!!
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Now that’s funny shizt!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Tebow would win more then palmer with this Roster. Perfect team for him.
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Stop doing
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I know you are mad Tebow has one more playoff win then Palmer
March 6th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
These whiners fans are hilarious
March 6th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RediaR Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
I have to leave this place before my head explodes. I can’t see people advocate Geno, Barkley, Moore, Sanchez, Jamarcus and Tebow in such a short time period without risk of some sort of physical ailment.
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RaiderRockstar suggested Cassell! That ought to hurt you.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
These whiners fans are hilarious
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Trolls motto
March 6th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
James Nelson OT UTEP …. Raiders eye ballin him!!
Predicted to go in the 7th-FA.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Tebow would win more then palmer with this Roster. Perfect team for him.
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Stop doing
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I know you are mad Tebow has one more playoff win then Palmer
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Oh yeah n it makes you happy as a Raider fan right?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Yet he could match JR’s FIVE wins in a season. Stats are for losers.
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So when comparing QBs… individual stats don’t count but team stats such as wins and losses do?
No wonder you think stats are for losers! They must really really confuse you!
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Of course…….if we went 5-11 next year, and two of those victories came by a punt return TD at the end, or a pick 6 in the closing seconds……Then whoever QB’d that team would be “BETTER” than Palmer….
March 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
These whiners fans are hilarious
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Trolls motto
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Wasn’t even mentioning you but you showed ur true colors
March 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RaiderRockstar suggested Cassell! That ought to hurt you.
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Raiders are in no place to turn down who can make less then 6 million dollars playing the qb posistion. Palmer is not worth anything over 7
March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Wasn’t even mentioning you but you showed ur true colors
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whah
March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I just want the Raiders to freaking win regardless of the skin color of the freakin QB
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Yeah, right.
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Said the guy who thinks Jamarcus will take over for Brady lol
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I still maintain that NE would be a great place for JR. QB-friendly system that allowed Matt Cassell to win 11 games. Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett have looked all-world there in the preseason. Brady can’t play forever. Just signed a new deal, but after what I saw in the AFC title game, he could go off a cliff. Wouldn’t be surprised if they send a rep to his proday.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
For some reason, I cannot wait to see how Taiwan Jones fairs at CB!
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Same here Dude
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Just judging by wins, Dilfer >>> Marino Kelly
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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Why do stats matter if you continually lose games?
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Uhh, because wins and losses are based on how the team plays. Coaches are rated by w/l record because they are not on the field. The players on the field are rated by individual stats.
I hope this helps…
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Tebow would win more then palmer with this Roster. Perfect team for him.
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Stop doing drugs
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NEVER SIR !!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I just want the Raiders to freaking win regardless of the skin color of the freakin QB
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Yeah, right.
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Said the guy who thinks Jamarcus will take over for Brady lol
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I still maintain that NE would be a great place for JR. QB-friendly system that allowed Matt Cassell to win 11 games. Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett have looked all-world there in the preseason. Brady can’t play forever. Just signed a new deal, but after what I saw in the AFC title game, he could go off a cliff. Wouldn’t be surprised if they send a rep to his proday.
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Hahaha thanks for the laughs man, you’re a true comedian
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Just judging by wins, Dilfer >>> Marino Kelly
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what about heisman trophy and playoff winners?? oh Tebow still has palmer beat. U mad?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I just want the Raiders to freaking win regardless of the skin color of the freakin QB
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disagree, I want to see “orange glow” aka palmer win
March 6th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Debo has to be Russell himself lol, so freakin dillusional
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
I still maintain that NE would be a great place for JR. QB-friendly system that allowed Matt Cassell to win 11 games. Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett have looked all-world there in the preseason. Brady can’t play forever. Just signed a new deal, but after what I saw in the AFC title game, he could go off a cliff. Wouldn’t be surprised if they send a rep to his proday.
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Hahaha wow Debo u really truly r a dumbsch!t
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Barkley is overrated…..just like most USC QB’s are coming out of college.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
992.theghostronin79 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Yet he could match JR’s FIVE wins in a season. Stats are for losers.
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So when comparing QBs… individual stats don’t count but team stats such as wins and losses do?
No wonder you think stats are for losers! They must really really confuse you!
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Of course…….if we went 5-11 next year, and two of those victories came by a punt return TD at the end, or a pick 6 in the closing seconds……Then whoever QB’d that team would be “BETTER” than Palmer….
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so if pryor started next year and we won 10 games, made the playoffs, but he didn’t throw for 4,000 yds, u would still think palmer was better? that’s stupid. I’ll take wins over passing yards 10 times out of 10.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Trent Dilfer greatest QB ever lol
March 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Debo has to be Russell himself lol, so freakin dillusional
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Exactly i should have known this all along
March 6th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
Yet he could match JR’s FIVE wins in a season. Stats are for losers.
Gdog Says:
No wonder you think stats are for losers! They must really really confuse you!
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Wouldn’t confusing Debo be an excersize in redundancy?
March 6th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
So far Reggie the Gut has resigned Brisiel and looked at Jenkins. Way to go.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Yet he could match JR’s FIVE wins in a season. Stats are for losers.
>>>>
So when comparing QBs… individual stats don’t count but team stats such as wins and losses do?
No wonder you think stats are for losers! They must really really confuse you!
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Of course…….if we went 5-11 next year, and two of those victories came by a punt return TD at the end, or a pick 6 in the closing seconds……Then whoever QB’d that team would be “BETTER” than Palmer….
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Palmer’s definitely thrown his share of pick-6s in the closing seconds. Anyway, what makes JR’s victories here even more impressive is that we were probably underdogs in all of them. One of you stat geeks can either refute or confirm this claim. Bottom line is the guy did more with less than palmer ever had here.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Just judging by wins, Dilfer >>> Marino Kelly
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super bowl wins yea, but just str8 up wins. dilfer isn’t even close! another far fetched statement
March 6th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Hahaha thanks for the laughs man, you’re a true comedian
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now just imagine how funny he is when you are as high as a giraffes azz !!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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Why do stats matter if you continually lose games?
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Uhh, because wins and losses are based on how the team plays. Coaches are rated by w/l record because they are not on the field. The players on the field are rated by individual stats.
I hope this helps…
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Wrong! QBs are rated by wins and losses with special emphasis on the postseason. See Joe Flacco.
March 6th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Yeah, 4k yards, all garbage time, but weird, and even the announcers were saying on that game against SD…when the receivers were dropping Pryors passes…”How did Palmer throw for over 4000 with this group?”
March 6th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Unfortunately, to the sports world, Debo is right! I think its wrong, because this is not wrestling or potatoe sack racing, but it is what it is! Always thought football was a team sport!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Also, I’m not loking it up, but didn’t Flacco also have a statistical good year?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/pft-on-nbc-sports-network-terrelle-pryor-free-agency-preview/
March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
RaiderRockstar suggested Cassell! That ought to hurt you.
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RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Raiders are in no place to turn down who can make less then 6 million dollars playing the qb posistion. Palmer is not worth anything over 7
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OK, then, you give Cassell 6 million and I’ll give Palmer 9 million. Deal?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Unfortunately, to the sports world, Debo is right!
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Tip of the cap to ya Hwnrdr. It is what it is.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
so if pryor started next year and we won 10 games, made the playoffs, but he didn’t throw for 4,000 yds, u would still think palmer was better? that’s stupid. I’ll take wins over passing yards 10 times out of 10.
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If Pryor won over twice as many games with less stats as CP? Yea, I could maybe see him as better.
Do you REALLY think such a thing is possible?
This is like arguing religion with a bible-banger.
“Sure, I guess thats possible… but in reality…”
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Also, I’m not loking it up, but didn’t Flacco also have a statistical good year?
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QBR Flacco – 26th
QBR Palmer – 29th
same player, same strenghts, one was on red hot team.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
1 hr SBreport SBreport @SBreport
This Yahoo article says Raiders could get as much as a 2nd and 3rd round pick for McFadden. Would you jump on that? http://goo.gl/NgxE
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Yes
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For a second AND a third I would go over to McFaddens house and help him pack his sh**.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 6m
One sleeper free-agent QB to watch – who will draw interest – is New Orleans’ Chase Daniel. In right spot, could challenge for starting job.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
hwnrdr Says:
Yeah, 4k yards, all garbage time, but weird, and even the announcers were saying on that game against SD…when the receivers were dropping Pryors passes…”How did Palmer throw for over 4000 with this group?”
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Wow! KK and BHP keep saying that the announcers were waxing rhapsodasically over Pryors decision making and accuracy in the first half of that game. On all 6 or 7 completions.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
OK, then, you give Cassell 6 million and I’ll give Palmer 9 million. Deal?
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Ya but will Reggie give him? NO DEAL
March 6th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
hwnrdr Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Also, I’m not loking it up, but didn’t Flacco also have a statistical good year?
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QBR Flacco – 26th
QBR Palmer – 29th
same player, same strenghts, one was on red hot team.
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Yeah, right. Palmer is probably better than Flacco. Lol!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
there is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow…..
March 6th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
999.Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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Why do stats matter if you continually lose games?
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Uhh, because wins and losses are based on how the team plays. Coaches are rated by w/l record because they are not on the field. The players on the field are rated by individual stats.
I hope this helps…
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not completely true.
“Many would argue that quarterbacks receive too much credit in victory and too much blame in defeat, but the reality is that more than any other position, quarterbacks are evaluated and judged based on the success of their team.
Quarterbacks including Dan Marino, Y.A. Tittle, and Fran Tarkenton are graded down slightly because they never won a championship despite posting huge statistics.
At the same time, the lack of dominant statistics are overlooked in quarterbacks like Bob Griese, Troy Aikman, and Terry Bradshaw because they led teams to multiple championships.”
here is an example.
Terry Bradshaw played from 1970 to 1983
his career stats were less than impressive
carrer:
51% completions 212 TDs, 210 INTs, 27,989 yards, 70.9 qb rating.
Ken Anderson played from 1971 to 1986
his career stats:
59.3% completions, 197 TD, 160 Ints, 32,838 yds, 81.9 qb rating.
difference. Bradshaw won 4 super bowls and a ton of games. Ken anderson 0 super bowls.
Bradshaw Hall of Fame. anderson on the outside looking in.
Qbs are definitely judged on wins and losses.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
Hahaha thanks for the laughs man, you’re a true comedian
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now just imagine how funny he is when you are as high as a giraffes azz !!!!
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Ever seen a giraffe give birth? That baby(foal?) is still 4 or 5 feet off the ground when it is unceramoniously dumped. Still got birthing on my mind.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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Why do stats matter if you continually lose games?
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Uhh, because wins and losses are based on how the team plays. Coaches are rated by w/l record because they are not on the field. The players on the field are rated by individual stats.
I hope this helps…
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Wrong! QBs are rated by wins and losses with special emphasis on the postseason. See Joe Flacco.
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Ok, fine. CP has 54 career wins. A 44% QB rating.
Pryor has none. A ZERO percent QB rating.
So now where are we going with this moronic discussion?
And are you one of Mistics sock puppets? Nobody is this stupid.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Bradshaw Hall of Fame. anderson on the outside looking in.
Qbs are definitely judged on wins and losses.
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Ok, fine. CP has 54 career wins. A 44% QB rating.
Pryor has none. A ZERO percent QB rating.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
shrek svcks has done a thing but ruin the raiders…
March 6th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
it’s not the only factor. but it is a factor.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
999.Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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Why do stats matter if you continually lose games?
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Uhh, because wins and losses are based on how the team plays. Coaches are rated by w/l record because they are not on the field. The players on the field are rated by individual stats.
I hope this helps…
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not completely true.
“Many would argue that quarterbacks receive too much credit in victory and too much blame in defeat, but the reality is that more than any other position, quarterbacks are evaluated and judged based on the success of their team.
Quarterbacks including Dan Marino, Y.A. Tittle, and Fran Tarkenton are graded down slightly because they never won a championship despite posting huge statistics.
At the same time, the lack of dominant statistics are overlooked in quarterbacks like Bob Griese, Troy Aikman, and Terry Bradshaw because they led teams to multiple championships.”
here is an example.
Terry Bradshaw played from 1970 to 1983
his career stats were less than impressive
carrer:
51% completions 212 TDs, 210 INTs, 27,989 yards, 70.9 qb rating.
Ken Anderson played from 1971 to 1986
his career stats:
59.3% completions, 197 TD, 160 Ints, 32,838 yds, 81.9 qb rating.
difference. Bradshaw won 4 super bowls and a ton of games. Ken anderson 0 super bowls.
Bradshaw Hall of Fame. anderson on the outside looking in.
Qbs are definitely judged on wins and losses.
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Game, set and match! And for the record, Carson Palmer can’t sniff the jocks of Marino, Tittle or Tarkenton. Hell, in Oakland he can’t sniff JaMarcus’ jock either!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Rob Johnson 2nd greatest ever
March 6th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
…Bottom line is the guy did more with less than palmer ever had here…
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Most would say Jamarcus did less with more than any QB in NFL history.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
For a second AND a third I would go over to McFaddens house and help him pack his sh**.
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I’d do the same thing!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
mcxcuse you werent even watching football during rob johnson….
March 6th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Dilfer = manning
Johnson = manning
March 6th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
…Bottom line is the guy did more with less than palmer ever had here…
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Most would say Jamarcus did less with more than any QB in NFL history.
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I say JaMarcus played with the worst offensive coaching staff/supporting cast combo in NFL history.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
1033.Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Bradshaw Hall of Fame. anderson on the outside looking in.
Qbs are definitely judged on wins and losses.
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Ok, fine. CP has 54 career wins. A 44% QB rating.
Pryor has none. A ZERO percent QB rating.
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hahaha good argument. argue against the guy stating 1 game and losing. carson palmer lost his first game starting also. so at similar points in their careers they are even at worst. and i didn’t even know this, thanks for sharing that teams with carson palmer as their qb have actually lost more games than they’ve won. yes this is the guy who is going to turn us into winners.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
mcxcuse you werent even watching football during rob johnson….
- I stayed up all Saturday night anticipation of the 02 Super Bowl while you were giving ur BFF gayfosho reach around a in your 49er panties
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Geno? Pleeeeze. I think we learned our lesson with Jamarcus.
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what lesson would that be exactly?
what is the comparison between them? (as if i didnt know what you were getting at)
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Who judges QBs by W-L? The media? The fans? I know the people whose jobs are on the line sure as hell dont. Just look at Tim Tebow, Vince Young, heck look at Trent Dilfer, won the SB and lost his job… The fans can analyze those W-L records all day, the people whose jobs are on the line look at a few other things when judging QBs.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Yeah, right. Palmer is probably better than Flacco. Lol!
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Flacco has played with Hall of Famers. How many Hall of Famers has Carson Palmer played with. And here is a hint: Terrel Owens is not going to the hall of fame.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
So everyone agrees rob Johnson = p Manning
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Becuase some beat writer/ blog failure sports writer says McFadden could generate a 2nd and 3rd your crazzzzzyyyyyyyyyy to believe that, he misses multiple games every year and has had various injuries.
JUST STOP IT.
hypothetically impossible.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Who judges QBs by W-L? The media? The fans?
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Idiots do.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
What do you guys think about these FA’s:
Offense
Lions T Gosder Cherilus
Vikings T Phil Loadholdt
Eagles T King Dunlap
Vikings G Geoff Schwartz
Giants G Kevin Boothe
Giants TE Martellus Bennett
Dolphins TE Anthony Fasano
49ers TE Delanie Walker
Defense
Bears DT Henry Melton
Chiefs DT Glenn Dorsey
Chargers LB/DE Shaun Phillips
Bengals DE Robert Geathers
Cowboys LB/DE Victor Butler
Falcons CB Dunta Robinson
Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis
Cardinals CB Greg Toler
March 6th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
March 6th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Alright NGRaiderfan,
That is a good post, and point was taken…..But look at this
That’s a “CAREER” Sample size…… Folks are drawing the same conclusions based on a single SEASON..or hell, even a 4 or 5 game stretch. Making the same comparisons. To me that’s a little rediculous.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
All you need to know about Jamarcus as a QB is the blank DVD story. Cable gave him a blank DVD to study film, later asked him what he thought, Jamarcus said it looked good… LOL, love that story.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Yeah, right. Palmer is probably better than Flacco. Lol!
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Flacco has played with Hall of Famers. How many Hall of Famers has Carson Palmer played with. And here is a hint: Terrel Owens is not going to the hall of fame.
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So is Palmer better than Joe Flacco?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Henry Milton already franchised
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
mcxcusin the only thing you were doing on saturday night was hanging out in shreks pantry…
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
All you need to know about Jamarcus as a QB is the blank DVD story. Cable gave him a blank DVD to study film, later asked him what he thought, Jamarcus said it looked good… LOL, love that story.
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Really?? You have a link??
March 6th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
kevin Boothe sounds familiar, oh yeah he was a raider.
grab em.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
hahaha good argument. argue against the guy stating 1 game and losing. carson palmer lost his first game starting also. so at similar points in their careers they are even at worst. and i didn’t even know this, thanks for sharing that teams with carson palmer as their qb have actually lost more games than they’ve won. yes this is the guy who is going to turn us into winners.
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Elvis Grbac was 40-30.
Should be listed as one of the all-time greats, huh?
57% QB rating! HALL OF FAME!!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Yeah, right. Palmer is probably better than Flacco. Lol!
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Flacco has played with Hall of Famers. How many Hall of Famers has Carson Palmer played with. And here is a hint: Terrel Owens is not going to the hall of fame.
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So is Palmer better than Joe Flacco?
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Who cares , it’s all bout Dilfer and Johnson baby 1 SB = like Rodgers manning , brees
March 6th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Really?? You have a link??
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Why? its a story, not evidence… it sounds right though.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
mcxcusin the only thing you were doing on saturday night was hanging out in shreks pantry…
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How’s the kappetnick tattoo on lower back
March 6th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
March 6th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
March 6th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Tell us a Jamarcus joke debo
March 6th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
The earth is round, really do you have a link?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Vince Young was 31 and 19. A 62% QB rating…
HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!!!
Better than HOFer Dan Fouts… 86-84-1 a 50.5 QB rating.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
not necessariy super bowl wins as evidence by dan marino, but wins in general. I can guarantee that if the panther have another losing season next year Cam Newton’s job will be called into question. and he is young and promising.
Tony Romo threw for almost 5,000 yards, as a matter of fact he always has statistically good seasons, but is always o the hot seat because he isn’t a winner and can’t take the cowboys to a playoff win.
josh Freeman threw for more yards than palmer and had a better record, and is younger, and his job is in jeopardy because he hasn’t brought the bucs to the playoffs.
after going 4-12 this year even matt staffords job was in question for a little bit. he threw for almost 5,000 also.
these are just a couple example. Wins aren’t the only thing qbs are judged by, but they are judged by wins. flacco got his payday because he was a winner.. his stats, especially in the regular season, are questionable at best. but he is cluth, something palmer is not, and plays big when it matter, another thing palmer does not.
Alex smith was a bust for 5 yrs because he was a loser. now he is a hot free agent becasue he was a winner the past two seasons. he’s only thrown for more than 300 yds 2 times his whole career. his stats are below avg. for his career.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Who judges QBs by W-L? The media? The fans?
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Idiots do.
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you guys are hella funny
dont know if you are aware but when teams dont win ALL LAYERS OF THE ORG OUTSIDE OF OWNERSHIP IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
this includes players, and every single position. we have seen example after example over the years of qbs that post stats dont win and they are out. Collins, j george, bledsoe, kitna and so on.
yet you can find examples of quys with pedestrian stats that won and secured the job as long as they did. dilfer, b johnson, j mcmahon, hostetler, fit this category
coaches and office personnel are also subject to this long standing practice.
Win or your out, even golden haired heroes
March 6th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
he is not actually a free agent but the chiefs willing to give up a high second round pick plus other picks for him. because he won games.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
How did Warren Moon get into the HOF??? His QB rating was worse than Vince Young! 50% 102-101
March 6th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
mcxcusin hows the stain shrek left on your on your dress?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
and if he signs with another team the money they give him is taken off of what we owe him. so it could actually be more savings.
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The deal is we won’t OWE Palmer anything if we cut him, sure we will have a deadmoney cap hit from the bonus he got last year, but he WON’T get another dime of REAL MONEY if cut, so not sure if what your talkin about counts when it comes to DEAD MONEY
March 6th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Geno? Pleeeeze. I think we learned our lesson with Jamarcus.
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what lesson would that be exactly?
what is the comparison between them? (as if i didnt know what you were getting at)
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I mean drafting a guy in the top 5 who is seen by many to be a stretch and having him fizzle out.
I think I know what YOU are getting at.
Nice try.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
lol johhny manzeil is an off field nightmare.
Not only does he have a pop gun for an arm but his arrest record and shirtless mugshot should be heavily scrutinized come draft time.
i think ill take a classy guy with a bigger arm and better wheels like braxton miller.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/johnny-manziel
March 6th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Dead money is dead money, even if cut or traded it is 9.3 mil over 2 yrs period.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
not necessariy super bowl wins as evidence by dan marino, but wins in general. I can guarantee that if the panther have another losing season next year Cam Newton’s job will be called into question. and he is young and promising.
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How come Jim McMahon isn’t in the HOF? He won a SB and using the NG/Debo QB rating, he had a 63% rating! 67-30!
Boy those HOF voters are STUPID! He’s one of the ALL TIME GREATS!!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
1070. Exactly especially people who are overpaid…
March 6th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
So is Palmer better than Joe Flacco?
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Similar players. Palmer certainly is more accurate. Flacco is certainly less prone to Int’s probably because he does not take the chances Palmer does. But again, Flacco has had a much better supporting cast around him than Carson Palmer.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Who judges QBs by W-L? The media? The fans?
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Idiots do.
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Most everybody, except the bootlickers or losing QB’s.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
1076.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
lol johhny manzeil is an off field nightmare.
Not only does he have a pop gun for an arm but his arrest record and shirtless mugshot should be heavily scrutinized come draft time.
i think ill take a classy guy with a bigger arm and better wheels like braxton miller.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/johnny-manziel
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i think mariota from oregon is better than him personally. manziel had a Lt that will go top 3 in the draft, the other tackle is supposedly even better. and a receiver who runs 4.3 in the 40 and a good defense.. the kid is good, real good. but i don’t really like him he seems like the type who thinks he is already above everyone. this dude is taking all online classes he doesn’t even go to campus cept for football practice. haha
March 6th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
lol johhny manzeil is an off field nightmare.
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That crap was almost a year ago and it has been said he has made ammends and grown up substantially since then. Although, he is probably not an NFL talent. Time will tell.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
you’re saying that Flacco is a top pay quarterback because he played with to Hall of Fame defenders?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
1080.Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
So is Palmer better than Joe Flacco?
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Similar players. Palmer certainly is more accurate. Flacco is certainly less prone to Int’s probably because he does not take the chances Palmer does. But again, Flacco has had a much better supporting cast around him than Carson Palmer.
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palmer is more accurate in numbers but that is because flacco takes more chances down field. flacco does have a better supporting cast, but that same supporting cast was 5-11 the year before he stepped in and has been a playoff team ever since. both are inconsistent. flacco is more clutch, makes more winning plays when it’s winning time. Flacco isn’t worth anywhere near 20 mil a year. F that.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Jeff Hostetler won a ring and has a 62% NG/Debo QB rating!
HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!! This if fun!! Who knew all these all-time greats were being ignored!!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2013/03/06/raiders-busy-negotiating-with-unsure-wheeler/
March 6th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Flacco is elite.
Palmer is on the downside of a mediocre career.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I loved the Hoss.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Who judges QBs by W-L? The media? The fans?
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Uhhhhhhhh…………….Everybody?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
palmer and flacco are very similar except flacco understands he has a roll while carson palmer thinks he’s brett farve.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
1084.Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
you’re saying that Flacco is a top pay quarterback because he played with to Hall of Fame defenders?
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i think he is a top paid qb because he peaked at the right time, had one of, if not the best postseason of any qb ever, and won a super bowl/super bowl mvp. classic misstep not giving him an extension before last season. now they are pretty much F’ed because they are gonna be losing a lot of their other impact players and will have a hard time signing ppl. when you’re that rich, what’s the difference between a cpl mil a yr.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Superbowl aside, the similarities between Palmer and Flacco may come to pass sooner then most think if Flacco continues his inconsistent reg. season games and misses the playoffs a couple years in a row.
He will be another “out of whack contract.” Just like Carson.
Not many NFL QB’s live up to the mega deal.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Debo Seymour is dunce.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
not necessariy super bowl wins as evidence by dan marino, but wins in general. I can guarantee that if the panther have another losing season next year Cam Newton’s job will be called into question. and he is young and promising.
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How come Jim McMahon isn’t in the HOF? He won a SB and using the NG/Debo QB rating, he had a 63% rating! 67-30!
Boy those HOF voters are STUPID! He’s one of the ALL TIME GREATS!!
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i dont think anybody mentioned the hof except you
point was wins and losses and how they impact a players value to an org
qb is one of the most highly scrutinized spots in that regard
long held standard practice in the nfl
your whining about it because it is being applied to palmer wont change it
March 6th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Really?? You have a link??
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Why? its a story, not evidence… it sounds right though.
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Why? Because it never happnened, that’s why! A POS internet rumor that grew legs because people couldn’t wait to believe that about him. Never happened.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
1076.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
lol johhny manzeil is an off field nightmare.
Not only does he have a pop gun for an arm but his arrest record and shirtless mugshot should be heavily scrutinized come draft time.
i think ill take a classy guy with a bigger arm and better wheels like braxton miller.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/johnny-manziel
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i think mariota from oregon is better than him personally.
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Why does everyone just like athletic QB’s they suck in the NFL …
They don’t win superbowls, they just have 2-3 good seasons unitil they cant run anymore and dont have pocket talents and are exposed.
AJ McCaron is better
You think RGIII will ever go deep in playoffs he got killed 2 times in his rookie year alone!
Kapernick will get hurt too, matter of time
Watch Vicks Career
all of em.
The rules have been changed ot benefit pocket passers.
Get a Brady, Manning, Brees and they can play till 38 at a high level and been in the hunt every year.
learn football children
March 6th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
1086.Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Jeff Hostetler won a ring and has a 62% NG/Debo QB rating!
HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!! This if fun!! Who knew all these all-time greats were being ignored!!
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since when does completion% alonee make u elite??? he didn’t even throw for 100 tds in his entire career or 17,000 yards. elite my @$$. Jeff hostetler is your argument?
it is a culmination of many things that make a qb great. wins and losses are a big thing though. jeff hostetler was also good in the preseasron 4-1 with a 112 qb rating. something that can’t be said for your boy palmer.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Jeff Hostetler won a ring and has a 62% NG/Debo QB rating!
HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!! This if fun!! Who knew all these all-time greats were being ignored!!
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I’d take Jeff Hostetler over Carson Palmer six days a week and twice on Sunday!
March 6th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
not necessariy super bowl wins as evidence by dan marino, but wins in general. I can guarantee that if the panther have another losing season next year Cam Newton’s job will be called into question. and he is young and promising.
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How come Jim McMahon isn’t in the HOF? He won a SB and using the NG/Debo QB rating, he had a 63% rating! 67-30!
Boy those HOF voters are STUPID! He’s one of the ALL TIME GREATS!!
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i dont think anybody mentioned the hof except you
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Make up your mind. One minute you say w/l record plus post season is the only thing that should be considered with a QB, and then you are pretending players with great w/l records and SB rings shouldn’t be mentioned.
Which is it Mistic/Debo???
March 6th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Why? Because it never happnened, that’s why! A POS internet rumor that grew legs because people couldn’t wait to believe that about him. Never happened.
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Debo,
Why don’t you wait until Russell acutually makes a training camp roster before you start throwing it in everyones face.
Are you suffering?
March 6th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Dead money is dead money, even if cut or traded it is 9.3 mil over 2 yrs period.
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Obviously, but the post I responded to said if some other team signs him it will take off some money that we OWE Palmer and would lower cap hit even more, the problem is we don’t OWE him anything in REAL MONEY if we cut him, so I was wondering if it would still help us with the DEAD MONEY, which I doubt it would since we already paid him that money and it HAS to come off OUR books sometime
March 6th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
it is a culmination of many things that make a qb great. wins and losses are a big thing though. jeff hostetler was also good in the preseasron 4-1 with a 112 qb rating. something that can’t be said for your boy palmer.
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Don’t think a QB can have a 4-1 record in preseason games that they don’t even play a whole half in.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
J Hill Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Bcz24,
How many times do we say “damn, that was a nice catch” during a game?
Why does the qb HAVE to be perfect ALL THE TIME?
The last game, Pryor underthrew DHB on a deep pass, but it hit DHB in both hands as he was falling down. Not a great pass, but it still should hav been caught.
So many throws by Palmer I can recall saying, damn why could the WR make that play. Not gerat or good throws, but balls that these guys should be making plays on WAY more often than they do.
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exactly. it went both ways with any QB. they can’t be perfect.
March 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
1076.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
lol johhny manzeil is an off field nightmare.
Not only does he have a pop gun for an arm but his arrest record and shirtless mugshot should be heavily scrutinized come draft time.
i think ill take a classy guy with a bigger arm and better wheels like braxton miller.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/johnny-manziel
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i think mariota from oregon is better than him personally.
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Why does everyone just like athletic QB’s they suck in the NFL …
They don’t win superbowls, they just have 2-3 good seasons unitil they cant run anymore and dont have pocket talents and are exposed.
AJ McCaron is better
You think RGIII will ever go deep in playoffs he got killed 2 times in his rookie year alone!
Kapernick will get hurt too, matter of time
Watch Vicks Career
all of em.
The rules have been changed ot benefit pocket passers.
Get a Brady, Manning, Brees and they can play till 38 at a high level and been in the hunt every year.
learn football children
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Finally somebody who actually fcking understands athletic QBs don’t win super bowls i have been saying this for months u have to be able to throw the football to
play QB in the NFL period plain and simple FCK the Athletic QB i want a QB who can win super bowls for the Raiders and there is no way in hell Mariota is better than Manziel no fcking way
March 6th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
1086.Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Jeff Hostetler won a ring and has a 62% NG/Debo QB rating!
HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!! This if fun!! Who knew all these all-time greats were being ignored!!
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since when does completion% alonee make u elite??? he didn’t even throw for 100 tds in his entire career or 17,000 yards. elite my @$$. Jeff hostetler is your argument?
it is a culmination of many things that make a qb great. wins and losses are a big thing though. jeff hostetler was also good in the preseasron 4-1 with a 112 qb rating. something that can’t be said for your boy palmer.
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Thats not what I was just told. QB stats are for LOSERS.. its the w/l record.
I am simply pointing out the absurd by being absurd.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Hof is for voters. . Qb value to a team is a totally different thing.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
1080.Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
So is Palmer better than Joe Flacco?
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Similar players. Palmer certainly is more accurate. Flacco is certainly less prone to Int’s probably because he does not take the chances Palmer does. But again, Flacco has had a much better supporting cast around him than Carson Palmer.
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palmer is more accurate in numbers but that is because flacco takes more chances down field. flacco does have a better supporting cast, but that same supporting cast was 5-11 the year before he stepped in and has been a playoff team ever since. both are inconsistent. flacco is more clutch, makes more winning plays when it’s winning time. Flacco isn’t worth anywhere near 20 mil a year. F that.
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Actually Palmer has better yard down field stats. But going with what you are saying which is basically true, the Ravens were 5-11 before they drafted Ray Rice. And they have been winning ever since. Maybe it has more to do with Ray Rice than with Flacco.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
New Report: Radical antigovernment movement continues explosive growth; SPLC urges government to review resources devoted to domestic terrorism
The SPLC’s annual census of extremist groups found that the number of far-right antigovernment groups has reached an all-time high, continuing powerful growth by a movement that is becoming increasingly militant as President 0bama enters his second term and Congress debates gun control measures. The SPLC warned top federal law enforcement officials of the potential for domestic terrorism and urged the creation of a task force to assess the resources devoted to the threat.
http://www.splcenter.org/
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Forget all of this stuff ’bout white and black qbs. You guys want ‘em even if they stink, and that is what really stinks. I can smell you from here, and some of you stink worse than others on this subject.
If the guys all kick rocks and can’t do nothing anyways why do you want him back there? Because he’s black or white? Put a samoan or chinese or a japanese guy back there and he can do a wam-bang karate chop all o’er your big backside and send you home to your momma.
What about it? A monster running attack and a good defense can mask the deficiencies of any guddam’ black or white crummy qb and a bunch of foolish fans that can’t stop posting about this dumb topic.
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pmtRaider8 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Geno? Pleeeeze. I think we learned our lesson with Jamarcus.
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what lesson would that be exactly?
what is the comparison between them? (as if i didnt know what you were getting at)
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I mean drafting a guy in the top 5 who is seen by many to be a stretch and having him fizzle out.
I think I know what YOU are getting at.
Nice try.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
1097.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
1076.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
lol johhny manzeil is an off field nightmare.
Not only does he have a pop gun for an arm but his arrest record and shirtless mugshot should be heavily scrutinized come draft time.
i think ill take a classy guy with a bigger arm and better wheels like braxton miller.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/johnny-manziel
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i think mariota from oregon is better than him personally.
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Why does everyone just like athletic QB’s they suck in the NFL …
They don’t win superbowls, they just have 2-3 good seasons unitil they cant run anymore and dont have pocket talents and are exposed.
AJ McCaron is better
You think RGIII will ever go deep in playoffs he got killed 2 times in his rookie year alone!
Kapernick will get hurt too, matter of time
Watch Vicks Career
all of em.
The rules have been changed ot benefit pocket passers.
Get a Brady, Manning, Brees and they can play till 38 at a high level and been in the hunt every year.
learn football children
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mariota had a 68% completion percentage with 32 tds and 6 ints. and he is 6′4. he can def be a pocket passer. and its hard to judge the new athetic qb because it is new. in the past athletic qbs were forced to fit the sytem of the team. now teams r wising up and fitting systems around athletic qbs with talent. ur really going to try and claim that rgIII will never go deep into the playoffs? he went to the playoffs his rookie year and if he didn’t get hurt the redskins would have beat seattle and who knows how that makes it different. kaepernik made it to the super bowl his first year starting. wilson made it to the second round of the playoffs.
for every brady, manning, brees there are 100 mark sanchez’, fitzpatricks, and gabberts.
pocket qbs get hurt too… things happen this is football are you ging to tell peterson to stop trying to run over and through people, and go out of bounds and be a pu$$y because u don’t want him to get hurt? no u let the players do their thing. RGIII will come back and kill it again next year. kaepernik also, wilson probably too.
who knows for how long…u sure as hell don’t, i know i don’t.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Jeff Hostetler won a ring and has a 62% NG/Debo QB rating!
HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!! This if fun!! Who knew all these all-time greats were being ignored!!
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I’d take Jeff Hostetler over Carson Palmer six days a week and twice on Sunday!
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Well he’s not available either…
March 6th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
dog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Make up your mind. One minute you say w/l record plus post season is the only thing that should be considered with a QB, and then you are pretending players with great w/l records and SB rings shouldn’t be mentioned.
Which is it Mistic/Debo???
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what do you mean by “considered”?
“considered” for what exactly?
Win loss record has a lot to do with if i think a guy is good or a good fit here.
This is also what gm’s and player agents use as leverage at the negotiation table.
ask joe flacco & drew brees
March 6th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
1108.Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
1080.Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
So is Palmer better than Joe Flacco?
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Similar players. Palmer certainly is more accurate. Flacco is certainly less prone to Int’s probably because he does not take the chances Palmer does. But again, Flacco has had a much better supporting cast around him than Carson Palmer.
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palmer is more accurate in numbers but that is because flacco takes more chances down field. flacco does have a better supporting cast, but that same supporting cast was 5-11 the year before he stepped in and has been a playoff team ever since. both are inconsistent. flacco is more clutch, makes more winning plays when it’s winning time. Flacco isn’t worth anywhere near 20 mil a year. F that.
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Actually Palmer has better yard down field stats. But going with what you are saying which is basically true, the Ravens were 5-11 before they drafted Ray Rice. And they have been winning ever since. Maybe it has more to do with Ray Rice than with Flacco.
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thats possible, and where does it show that palmer has better down the field stats than flacco? i would really like to see that bc tha sounds like a bold faced lie. Torrey smith had more long catches this yr than our whole receiving crew combines. probably in the playoffs alone. all flacc did was throw passes more than 10 yds. they threw a 20 yds on a fade route on 3rd and inches with the super bowl in the balance.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
My real Golden Haired Hero died today.
R.I.P. Alvin Lee.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
palmer and flacco are very similar except flacco understands he has a roll while carson palmer thinks he’s brett farve.
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Correction: except Flacco plays on a team where the Wide Reciever takes away interceptions and makes them receptions (aka Anquain Boldin), has one of the best rushers in NFL (that is not injured all the time) and has a top 5 defense. Also Flacco makes more money than any other QB even though several are probably better.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
if jamarcus was good, who gives a schit if he was an alcoholic or partied or cheated on his wife, this is the Raiders, i’m all for having party animals/fu#kups/thugs on my team as long as they perform, my kids aren’t looking up to athletes
March 6th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
1106.Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
1086.Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Jeff Hostetler won a ring and has a 62% NG/Debo QB rating!
HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!! This if fun!! Who knew all these all-time greats were being ignored!!
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since when does completion% alonee make u elite??? he didn’t even throw for 100 tds in his entire career or 17,000 yards. elite my @$$. Jeff hostetler is your argument?
it is a culmination of many things that make a qb great. wins and losses are a big thing though. jeff hostetler was also good in the preseasron 4-1 with a 112 qb rating. something that can’t be said for your boy palmer.
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Thats not what I was just told. QB stats are for LOSERS.. its the w/l record.
I am simply pointing out the absurd by being absurd.
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u weren’t told that by me.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
wheeler doesn’t wanna be here then fu#k him
March 6th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
My favorite memory of the Hoss was went he went out to the 50 yard line to encourage the Raider defense.
Hoss was exactly what Carson will never be.
A LEADER.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Russell was drug addict.
People defending him obviously have an agenda.
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way tooo funny, if it had been a post by any other moniker it would have been boring… but HST, to say so, is way funny… I think HST would defend any drug addict =)
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
LMN, how is your girlfriend?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Actually Palmer has better yard down field stats. But going with what you are saying which is basically true, the Ravens were 5-11 before they drafted Ray Rice. And they have been winning ever since. Maybe it has more to do with Ray Rice than with Flacco.
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Indy wasn’t schit until Manning got there.
Green Bay wasn’t schit until Favre got there.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
6 days to free agency and we haven’t fixed anyones contract yet? unless you consider not cutting brisels pay.. if we have plans for trades we need to get these deals done because other teams will move on without us.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Actually Palmer has better yard down field stats. But going with what you are saying which is basically true, the Ravens were 5-11 before they drafted Ray Rice. And they have been winning ever since. Maybe it has more to do with Ray Rice than with Flacco.
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Indy wasn’t schit until Manning got there.
Green Bay wasn’t schit until Favre got there.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Actually Palmer has better yard down field stats. But going with what you are saying which is basically true, the Ravens were 5-11 before they drafted Ray Rice. And they have been winning ever since. Maybe it has more to do with Ray Rice than with Flacco.
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Indy wasn’t schit until Manning got there.
Green Bay wasn’t schit until Favre got there.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Of course Wheeler doesn’t want to be here.
No football player worth his salt wants to LOSE.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21823948/dwight-howard-and-phil-jackson-have-been-texting
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for all the laker fans on here
March 6th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
My favorite memory of the Hoss was went he went out to the 50 yard line to encourage the Raider defense.
Hoss was exactly what Carson will never be.
A LEADER.
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Playoffs where the Raiders lost to the Bills in 2nd round the 93 season…..it was cold as hell but Hoss went out to the defense and encouraged them to get ball back so they could win the game in the end
Sadly we couldnt stop Bills as they ran clock out with a 7 min plus drive….that was Howie’s last game as a pro…he kept jumping offsides I remember
Still what Hoss did was right on
March 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Ha Ha, KrappyRat still waddling around the blog with a giant turd pie in his drawers
Poor Old Troll just can’t catch a break, shout out to Jam Masta J
Yo, the Beeech Diggity scored some hella stinky weed. Gonna smoke a spliff than hit y’all back for some afternoon blog shenanigans
Brought to your by my nads & my weiner-dawg
HELLS YEAH
March 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
For all of you uninformed foreigners, HTS was a die hard Raider fan who worshiped at the feet of the almighty Al Davis.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Rekleiner Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
What do you guys think about these FA’s:
Offense
Lions T Gosder Cherilus
Vikings T Phil Loadholdt
Eagles T King Dunlap
Vikings G Geoff Schwartz
Giants G Kevin Boothe
Giants TE Martellus Bennett
Dolphins TE Anthony Fasano
49ers TE Delanie Walker
Defense
Bears DT Henry Melton
Chiefs DT Glenn Dorsey
Chargers LB/DE Shaun Phillips
Bengals DE Robert Geathers
Cowboys LB/DE Victor Butler
Falcons CB Dunta Robinson
Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis
Cardinals CB Greg Toler
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Off
Lions T Gosder Cherilus
Vikings T Phil Loadholdt
Giants G Kevin Boothe
Giants TE Martellus Bennett
Dolphins TE Anthony Fasano
49ers TE Delanie Walker
Def
Falcons CB Dunta Robinson
Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis
Cardinals CB Greg Toler
the rest of your list is has beens… waste of money and roster space, even those I’ve kept wouldnt be my first choice..
March 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
The great Raider QB debate continues:
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Lets just get Tebow, Pryor, and Vince Young all in camp and the first one to throw it through a tire swing from 30 yards out starts!!
It might take a few weeks but we will be golden after that!!
March 6th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Howie is overrated.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
How the hell do you compare Palmer with a QB with 9 playoff wins?????????
Specious.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
1127.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Of course Wheeler doesn’t want to be here.
No football player worth his salt wants to LOSE.
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honestly wheeler was solid and he played hard, but we can upgrade that position anyway. huge liability in pass coverage played the run pretty good but he is replaceable, especially if he doesn’t wana be here. i want raiders that want to be raiders.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
LMN, all of your copying and pasting won’t bring your girlfriend back.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
1132.La Milicia Negra Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Rekleiner Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
What do you guys think about these FA’s:
Offense
Lions T Gosder Cherilus
Vikings T Phil Loadholdt
Eagles T King Dunlap
Vikings G Geoff Schwartz
Giants G Kevin Boothe
Giants TE Martellus Bennett
Dolphins TE Anthony Fasano
49ers TE Delanie Walker
Defense
Bears DT Henry Melton
Chiefs DT Glenn Dorsey
Chargers LB/DE Shaun Phillips
Bengals DE Robert Geathers
Cowboys LB/DE Victor Butler
Falcons CB Dunta Robinson
Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis
Cardinals CB Greg Toler
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Off
Lions T Gosder Cherilus
Vikings T Phil Loadholdt
Giants G Kevin Boothe
Giants TE Martellus Bennett
Dolphins TE Anthony Fasano
49ers TE Delanie Walker
Def
Falcons CB Dunta Robinson
Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis
Cardinals CB Greg Toler
the rest of your list is has beens… waste of money and roster space, even those I’ve kept wouldnt be my first choice..
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larry grant LB
DJ williams LB
possbily Jon Beason LB.
any of these 3 would be upgrades to our team.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
For all of you uninformed foreigners, HTS was a die hard Raider fan who worshiped at the feet of the almighty Al Davis.
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well, he too was a great critic, and he chose to live in colorado and he was a doper for his entire life, yeah I know him, gonzo is huge. but cant you see the irony of a post with his moniker moaning about drug addicts? when most of his writings were written fueled by all the drugs known to man? Irony, you gotta love it..
March 6th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Actually Palmer has better yard down field stats. But going with what you are saying which is basically true, the Ravens were 5-11 before they drafted Ray Rice. And they have been winning ever since. Maybe it has more to do with Ray Rice than with Flacco.
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Indy wasn’t schit until Manning got there.
Green Bay wasn’t schit until Favre got there.
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Kell….whats the point in explaining to him? He is under illusion Palmer is some great QB…I’ll just let him rock on with his opinion. He is being stubborn in the face of logic. We all do it…so I guess its his turn
March 6th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Specious?
Old Troll, you been hitting the Malibu again?
Either that or the poor old fool is talking in tongues again, either way, pretty funny
WHUT WHUT N YOUR BUTT
March 6th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
LMN, all of your copying and pasting won’t bring your girlfriend back.
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huh? say what now?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
“Among items not included in the article: the time coaches suspected Russell was not studying the game-plan DVDs they gave him each week, so they sent him home with a blank DVD. The next day, they asked Russell what he thought of the game plan. He said it looked good to him.”
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/JaMarcus-Russell-must-look-inward-not-outward-2325381.php
March 6th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
1132.La Milicia Negra Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Rekleiner Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
What do you guys think about these FA’s:
Offense
Lions T Gosder Cherilus
Vikings T Phil Loadholdt
Eagles T King Dunlap
Vikings G Geoff Schwartz
Giants G Kevin Boothe
Giants TE Martellus Bennett
Dolphins TE Anthony Fasano
49ers TE Delanie Walker
Defense
Bears DT Henry Melton
Chiefs DT Glenn Dorsey
Chargers LB/DE Shaun Phillips
Bengals DE Robert Geathers
Cowboys LB/DE Victor Butler
Falcons CB Dunta Robinson
Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis
Cardinals CB Greg Toler
_______________________________________________________
Off
Lions T Gosder Cherilus
Vikings T Phil Loadholdt
Giants G Kevin Boothe
Giants TE Martellus Bennett
Dolphins TE Anthony Fasano
49ers TE Delanie Walker
Def
Falcons CB Dunta Robinson
Jaguars CB Rashean Mathis
Cardinals CB Greg Toler
the rest of your list is has beens… waste of money and roster space, even those I’ve kept wouldnt be my first choice..
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i like glenn dorsey for the 4-3
delanie walker i would welcome with open arms.
rashean mathis hasn’t been good for 3 yrs, dunta robinson getting old.
Toler could be solid.
Eric wright is getting released, he isn’t great but he is a nfl starter that may come cheap, may not.
didn’t kevin boothe play for the raiders before? i’ll pass.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/carson-palmer-isnt-sure-what-will-happen-in-oakland/
comment section is interesting
March 6th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I said earlier today that Reggie needs to have the greatest draft in NFL history for us to make the playoffs this year. Thoughts?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
1127.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Of course Wheeler doesn’t want to be here.
No football player worth his salt wants to LOSE.
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Then Fk them too.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
La Feminine Napkin, HTS was a writer.
JaCarcus was supposed to be an athlete.
Does your foreigner mind not see the difference?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I said earlier today that Reggie needs to have the greatest draft in NFL history for us to make the playoffs this year. Thoughts?
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greatest offseason, and we still may not make it
March 6th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
How the hell do you compare Palmer with a QB with 9 playoff wins?????????
Specious.
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I do that by looking at his game. It is a lot easier to win when you have a great team around you. For the record I think Palmer is beter than Diffler and he has at least 3 playoff wins and a superbowl under his belt but it was his team not him. With guy like Warner it was more Warner because he was a bigger part of winning.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
NGraiderfan..
Jon beason is probably one of the best LBs ever to hae played the game, but he is made of glass. 2011, one game, 2012 4 games..
March 6th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
1146.Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I said earlier today that Reggie needs to have the greatest draft in NFL history for us to make the playoffs this year. Thoughts?
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He needs to get at least two starters out of this draft. But it’s not that bad. Coaches just need to get the best out of the players that are here. No reason we shouldn’t be playing for the playoffs.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Even the greatest draft in history may not be enough for the Raiders this year, but it can’t hurt. Having no second makes an historic draft difficult on the surface, so Reggie needs to do some wheeling and dealing to make it happen.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Arent the lions relasing cliff avril?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
PLEASE NOOOOOOO! This dude is STILL so raw. No excuse. We need to move on. He was a TOTAL reach along with DHB. That’s great he can hit….my wife can hit, but he can’t cover anything, not even the rent. Terrible in space, and while he may be a decent (yes decent) blitzer, his timing is terrible. He’s always seems late on the blitz. A second late getting there, I’m tired of it. IMO, we need to move away from Branch as well. Too much money, not nearly enough talent- I’ll take Huff if the money is fair, but that’s it. Total fail in our secondary for years now….move on.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
1146.Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I said earlier today that Reggie needs to have the greatest draft in NFL history for us to make the playoffs this year. Thoughts?
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not the greatest draft in nfl history. the best draft for the raiders the past 10 years…i would agree. He needs to hit at LEAST two guys players who r impact starters from week 1, hopefully more. a couple solid FA would help also.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Le Femine Napkin, clearly doesn’t understand the game.
Jon Beason is what again?????
March 6th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
NGRaiderfan …
Sorry to say what MAriota’s completion % is in that offense is pathetic.
You could put a RB or WR in his position and have the same numbers throwing bubble screens and flats in the spread all day. No need spiral, or power or anything.
FYI Mariota played one yr of QB in highschool, I watched him, he’s an athlete, not a QB.
In college athletes win at QB position… Cam Newton, Vick, Mariota, Manziel, Tebow, Denard Robinson, Eric Crouch, EJ Manuel, (having fun yet?)
Which QB’s are the least athletic in the NFL?:
P. Manning
E. Manning
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford…..
best pocket passers in game
Being able to extend plays is nice like:
Brees
Rothelsberger
Rodgers
But atheltic QB who rely on their feet to leave guys open becuase they can’t make all the throws:
Vince Young
Cam Newton
RGIII
Michael Vick
…. have fun with 3 fun years before the fanbase realizes defenses punish them and then make them 1 dimensional at something they got away with their whole career not having to do much or at all….
READ A DEFENSE AND GO THROUGH PROGRESSIONS FROM A POCKET AND TIME IT ALL PERFECTLY.
boom.
roasted.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
1154.Marks hair Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Arent the lions relasing cliff avril?
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he;s a free agent, can choose where he wants to go
March 6th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
NC, Shrek will need the greatest draft in NFL history for the Raiders to make the playoff as well as a SEVERAL KEY FA signings.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
La Feminine Napkin, HTS was a writer.
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yeah, i know… and you keep writing HTS.. its HST.. I know its hard, but keep trying and you will be able to get it some day..
HST was a writer, but he was a doper and a drunk more than he was a writer, all great he has ever written was fueled by drugs and alcohol.. hence the irony that you posted about drug addicts..
its not like you are the only one in the world to stumble across his writings, his stuff is mandatory in these parts of the woods, you know..
March 6th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
We clearly don’t have much free agent money. And obviously we have a lot of holes. This draft needs to be incredible and I think we need to trade some current players for extra picks to help us out. we need to find some Superstars at key positions.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
We were competing for the playoffs just two years ago. It can be done again.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
LNM, HST was a drug addict.
What is your point?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
be honest, how many times in pre-season did pryor take a 3 step drop and immediately spin and roll back 5-10 yards back and forth before throwing it away after juking for nothing… its natural to him to be able to just ran away from the pass rush and make 1-2 reads as he rolls out and either tuck and run or hit an open pass. that dont work in the NFL, not for long at least.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
1158.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
NGRaiderfan …
Sorry to say what MAriota’s completion % is in that offense is pathetic.
You could put a RB or WR in his position and have the same numbers throwing bubble screens and flats in the spread all day. No need spiral, or power or anything.
FYI Mariota played one yr of QB in highschool, I watched him, he’s an athlete, not a QB.
In college athletes win at QB position… Cam Newton, Vick, Mariota, Manziel, Tebow, Denard Robinson, Eric Crouch, EJ Manuel, (having fun yet?)
Which QB’s are the least athletic in the NFL?:
P. Manning
E. Manning
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford…..
best pocket passers in game
Being able to extend plays is nice like:
Brees
Rothelsberger
Rodgers
But atheltic QB who rely on their feet to leave guys open becuase they can’t make all the throws:
Vince Young
Cam Newton
RGIII
Michael Vick
…. have fun with 3 fun years before the fanbase realizes defenses punish them and then make them 1 dimensional at something they got away with their whole career not having to do much or at all….
READ A DEFENSE AND GO THROUGH PROGRESSIONS FROM A POCKET AND TIME IT ALL PERFECTLY.
boom.
roasted.
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he was a redshirt freshman, and he has a better passing talent than manziel. 68% completions isn’t a horrible % in any offense. every team in the big 12 runs that kind of spread offense. Geno Smith’s team ran that type of offense, so did robert griffin. how many players can do that as freshman? not many. ur critiquing this kid like he’s a senior or in the nfl. yea he has things to work on but he obviously has talent.
what did u roast? i dont get it?
u just said 68% completions was horrible…that is the dumbest statement ever.
i’m not talking about vince young, michael vick, or anyone from before/ i’m talking about the yonug athletic qbs. all of them can make any throw your “pocket passers” can make. did u not see kaepernik light up the ravens secondary in the super bowl? did u not see RGII light up just about EVERYBODY? not just running, they were lighting ppl up through the air. RGII is every bit the passer andrew luck is, he’s just more athletic. don’t knock him for it. what happened to the redskins when the pocket passer cousing came in against seattle? got sh!tted on.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Le Feminine Napkin, what were you saying about Beason again?
I was busy smoking opium.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
1165.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
be honest, how many times in pre-season did pryor take a 3 step drop and immediately spin and roll back 5-10 yards back and forth before throwing it away after juking for nothing… its natural to him to be able to just ran away from the pass rush and make 1-2 reads as he rolls out and either tuck and run or hit an open pass. that dont work in the NFL, not for long at least.
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how many times did we see carson palmer drop back on 3rd down, immediately check down short of the marker, and then jog off the field lookig like he biit a lemon? that doesn’t work in the nfl very long either.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
LNM, HST was a drug addict.
What is your point?
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look at you big boy, you finally got something wright, good for you, next week we try to take off you safety helmet…
okay let take it Ooooooonnnnnnneeeeeeee mmmmmmooooooorrrrre tiiiiiimmmeeeee, so those in the back of the class gets it…
you wrote: “Russell was drug addict. People defending him obviously have an agenda.”
and I said it was funny if you had in mind that HST was heavy drug and alcohol user all his life – Ozzy numbers of consumption.. irony is funny, hence your post were funny, had it been you with a moniker, lets say Go-Al-Davis, it wouldn’t have been funny..
you get it now?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Le Feminine Napkin, what were you saying about Beason again?
I was busy smoking opium.
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now that is funny too… I said he was made of glass, meaning too fragile, wont last a season..
March 6th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
1151.La Milicia Negra Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
NGraiderfan..
Jon beason is probably one of the best LBs ever to hae played the game, but he is made of glass. 2011, one game, 2012 4 games..
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he should come cheap, n if he can stay healthy he is one of the best MLB in the game, i’m not saying ever, but playing right now he is. When he was healthy he was always right there with P willis in terms of tackles and he plays the pass decent too, not as good as p willy tho. he is relatively young, I think he worth giving a one yr contract. If he stays healthy could definitely be a difference maker.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
almost every cool person in the history of the world liked doing drugs at some point or always..
March 6th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
La Feminine Napkin, You are hopeless.
You need a new hobby because you don’t know $hit about the American football.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
1165.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
be honest, how many times in pre-season did pryor take a 3 step drop and immediately spin and roll back 5-10 yards back and forth before throwing it away after juking for nothing… its natural to him to be able to just ran away from the pass rush and make 1-2 reads as he rolls out and either tuck and run or hit an open pass. that dont work in the NFL, not for long at least.
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how many times did we see carson palmer drop back on 3rd down, immediately check down short of the marker, and then jog off the field lookig like he biit a lemon? that doesn’t work in the nfl very long either.
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68% passing is great in college spread lol its standard.
We shoulda went for Colt Brennan, any texas tech QB, maybe case keenum ….
roasting… roasting you
for your affinity for blac…i mean athletic QB’s.
Let me ask you … would Pryor or Kapernick be good if they couldn’t pose a run threat?
Nope.
NFL defenses catch up to everything.
Except pocket passers who have long careers at high levels, can;t disregard the truth.
Mariota LMAO, nfl QB lmao ….
Ohhhhh man, heard it all.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
1165.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
be honest, how many times in pre-season did pryor take a 3 step drop and immediately spin and roll back 5-10 yards back and forth before throwing it away after juking for nothing… its natural to him to be able to just ran away from the pass rush and make 1-2 reads as he rolls out and either tuck and run or hit an open pass. that dont work in the NFL, not for long at least.
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how many times did we see carson palmer drop back on 3rd down, immediately check down short of the marker, and then jog off the field lookig like he biit a lemon? that doesn’t work in the nfl very long either.
>>>
How do you know that wasn’t the play that Knapp called and he hit the primary receiver?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
1151.La Milicia Negra Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
NGraiderfan..
Jon beason is probably one of the best LBs ever to hae played the game, but he is made of glass. 2011, one game, 2012 4 games..
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he should come cheap, n if he can stay healthy he is one of the best MLB in the game, i’m not saying ever, but playing right now he is. When he was healthy he was always right there with P willis in terms of tackles and he plays the pass decent too, not as good as p willy tho. he is relatively young, I think he worth giving a one yr contract. If he stays healthy could definitely be a difference maker.
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I guess you are right, but I dont see him play a full season ever again, but then again a cheap Jon Beason for 6-8 games wouldnt be bad either… I’ve allways loved watch him play, very intelligent ball player..
March 6th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
drugs that are good for football are more like uppers, steroids or cocaine. you know the Go Go juice.
he can’t lie around all day taking writer drugs or musician drugs if you’re an athlete.. wtf was he thinking?
March 6th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Look I hope Pryor is good, but look at the best QB’s in the league, look how its done, pay attention.
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Big Ben (extends plays with feet)
……..
Mariota lmao
68% lmao
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
March 6th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
1174.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
1165.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
be honest, how many times in pre-season did pryor take a 3 step drop and immediately spin and roll back 5-10 yards back and forth before throwing it away after juking for nothing… its natural to him to be able to just ran away from the pass rush and make 1-2 reads as he rolls out and either tuck and run or hit an open pass. that dont work in the NFL, not for long at least.
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how many times did we see carson palmer drop back on 3rd down, immediately check down short of the marker, and then jog off the field lookig like he biit a lemon? that doesn’t work in the nfl very long either.
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68% passing is great in college spread lol its standard.
We shoulda went for Colt Brennan, any texas tech QB, maybe case keenum ….
roasting… roasting you
for your affinity for blac…i mean athletic QB’s.
Let me ask you … would Pryor or Kapernick be good if they couldn’t pose a run threat?
Nope.
NFL defenses catch up to everything.
Except pocket passers who have long careers at high levels, can;t disregard the truth.
Mariota LMAO, nfl QB lmao ….
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u didn’t even respond to the right post. Every QB is different. who would u take? AJ McCarron? the guy who plays behind easily the best offensive line in the country with two ridiculous RBs and a future first round pick @ WR? ahahahaha y doon’t u jus draft mcElroy? he looked pretty good in his start for the jets. hahaha
Ohhhhh man, heard it all.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Brahs, gonna do a little Dawg-style stand up comedy tonight at Jer Ne if any of you dorks wanna stop by for a sweet laugh
Got some hella hilariious new material, like this crazy one about the polar bear and the jewish electrician
You’ll have to stop by if you want to hear how this gem turns out
Anyway I’ll expect you to buy the Dawg a few drinks and keep your paws off my women
If I even think you’re staring at any of the Beeeech Dawgettes’s va-jay-jays you’ll receive a lethal scissorkick to the nad region
SHIZ JUST GOT REAL
March 6th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Ok Autumn Wind, Palmer is just damned unlucky. Never had a team to lead him.
Now’s his chance to go find one.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
as far as nfl defenses ‘catching up’ to an offense or type of qb, what makes the determining factor to know when it has been “caught up” to?
For every drop back pocket passer that has won it all there is another that has lost.
In fact since the advent of the forward pass not a single weeknd goes by when a drop back pocket passer doesnt lose a game.
so then have they been “caught up ‘ to?
wow some of the logic in here is dizzying to say the least
March 6th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
NGRaiderfan …
Yeah Aj McCaronn … @ national championships because he sucks so bad, that guy.
Plays against the best in college, crazy road games.
Pressure, and yeah that offense with big o-lines with NFl guys, power run games and pro style wr’s like you said…
oh wait sounds like NFL talent? Maybe that translates, an NFL offense in college? and then going the NFL? oh wait….yes I would take him all day.
I never mentioned McElroy, you did.
AJ is deadly accurate and throws a perfect deep ball, strong arm and intelligent.
Idiot.
No I would rather have Mariota and his flag football offense against washingotn state running up the score for BCS points.
March 6th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
NGRaiderfan
Playoff QB this year….
Luck
Rodgers
Manning
Brady
Flacco
……..
I’ll stop there.
pocket passers > Running QB’s, spread QB’s,
March 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
1178.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Look I hope Pryor is good, but look at the best QB’s in the league, look how its done, pay attention.
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Big Ben (extends plays with feet)
……..
Mariota lmao
68% lmao
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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hahaha how could u put stafford on there? just because he throws a lot of yards? he routinely has games where he throws 3+ ints and costs his teams wins more often than not. he has Calvin Johnson. haha stafford really?
look at the young qbs in the league
mobile qbs:
RGIII
Russell Wilson
Kaepernik
Andrew Luck (more athletic than people give him credit for, escapes pocket all the time)
Cam Newton
Ryan Tanneill
pay attention to the new wave.
times are changing. all of those qbs are vets, old.
look at the last few pocket passers to be drafted high
andy dalton
blaine gabbert
sam bradford
matthew stafford
mark sanchez
brandon weeden
brock osweiler
ryan mallett
which list looks better?
here are the real list of elite nfl qbs n its small
manning
rodgers
brady
brees
thats it. and they are all vets.
here is a list of the best young qbs
Matt Ryan
RGIII
Andrew Luck
Kaepernik
Russell Wilson
over half that list is mobile qbs. the game is changing try to keep up.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
NGRaiderfan
Playoff QB this year….
Luck
Rodgers
Manning
Brady
Flacco
……..
I’ll stop there.
pocket passers > Running QB’s, spread QB’s,
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as far as nfl defenses ‘catching up’ to an offense or type of qb, what makes the determining factor to know when it has been “caught up” to?
For every drop back pocket passer that has won it all there is another that has lost.
In fact since the advent of the forward pass not a single weekend goes by when a drop back pocket passer doesnt lose a game.
so then have they been “caught up ‘ to?
wow some of the logic in here is dizzying to say the least
March 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
didn’t kevin boothe play for the raiders before? i’ll pass.
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Yeah….he got dumped the last time we transitioned to ZBS….and then went on to be the starting guard for the giants collecting two Super Bowl rings
March 6th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
KrappyRat, you should pack up the missus and her bowl cut into the camper and head down for my comedy show
Sure, you’ll get mistaken a few times for a valet and have to park a few cars, but that’ll just make my huge show even more exciting
C’mon Old Troll, you haven’t shown that poor woman a good time since you went to Switzerland.
Oh yeah, that wasn’t a good time – remember, you sat around the apt. blogging for a week wasted on Malibu
HIP HOP N HOLLERIN’
March 6th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
qbs being ‘caught up to”
is nearly as ridiculous as mac butt cheese claiming cullen jenkins struggled ‘because he had no d coord”
this place is beyond laughable
March 6th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
1184.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
NGRaiderfan
Playoff QB this year….
Luck
Rodgers
Manning
Brady
Flacco
……..
I’ll stop there.
pocket passers > Running QB’s, spread QB’s,
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u forgot RGIII, Wilson, and Kaepernik
of course u would stop before naming the mobile qbs.
Kaepernik beat two of the best pocket passer in the nfl in the playoffs.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
1183.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
NGRaiderfan …
Yeah Aj McCaronn … @ national championships because he sucks so bad, that guy.
Plays against the best in college, crazy road games.
Pressure, and yeah that offense with big o-lines with NFl guys, power run games and pro style wr’s like you said…
oh wait sounds like NFL talent? Maybe that translates, an NFL offense in college? and then going the NFL? oh wait….yes I would take him all day.
I never mentioned McElroy, you did.
AJ is deadly accurate and throws a perfect deep ball, strong arm and intelligent.
Idiot.
No I would rather have Mariota and his flag football offense against washingotn state running up the score for BCS points.
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national championships are what you’re going for now?
AJ McCarron really? let’s just start matt leinhart, hell he won a national championship and the heisman. McIlroy won a national championship too. Bama won because they rushed for 300+ yards. and their defense dominated. both of their national championships were because of their defense.
best thing about mccarron is that he has a hot GF that they can put the camera on at the games.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Yeah, I think if Palmer wants to make the Hall of Fame, he needs to leave the Raiders and go to a ready made team, to take him to the Playoffs/Championship.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
1183.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
NGRaiderfan …
Yeah Aj McCaronn … @ national championships because he sucks so bad, that guy.
Plays against the best in college, crazy road games.
Pressure, and yeah that offense with big o-lines with NFl guys, power run games and pro style wr’s like you said…
oh wait sounds like NFL talent? Maybe that translates, an NFL offense in college? and then going the NFL? oh wait….yes I would take him all day.
I never mentioned McElroy, you did.
AJ is deadly accurate and throws a perfect deep ball, strong arm and intelligent.
Idiot.
No I would rather have Mariota and his flag football offense against washingotn state running up the score for BCS points.
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deadly accurate? are u serious…he has a lower % than mariota and he literally throwing to wide open players more than half the time because the entire defense bites up on the run. almost any qb in the country could make those throws. McIlroyactually had a higher completion % than mccarron when he was at bama. system player.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Ok Autumn Wind, Palmer is just damned unlucky. Never had a team to lead him.
Now’s his chance to go find one
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I am not excusing Carson I am just saying Flacco is not that good. So sick of hearing he has the ring he is the best QB. Football is a team game and what team you are on matters. Bouldin, Rice and his TE have helped him a lot. As a comparison D. Moore is the second most drop prone WR in the NFL.
Raven vs. Raider defense? I think you are getting the point.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
wonder what pryor said in his pft interview
March 6th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Has any QB made the Hall of Fame without a playoff win?
March 6th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Ok Autumn Wind, Palmer is just damned unlucky. Never had a team to lead him.
Now’s his chance to go find one
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I am not excusing Carson I am just saying Flacco is not that good. So sick of hearing he has the ring he is the best QB. Football is a team game and what team you are on matters. Bouldin, Rice and his TE have helped him a lot.
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is this why the ravens signed him to the richest qb contract of all time?
because of his wrs rice and the defense?
sorry but wins and losses is the standard used by both gms/owners and player agents
carson doesnt win so he is isnt valued highly
hence take a pay cut or be cut from the raiders
March 6th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
1183.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
NGRaiderfan …
Yeah Aj McCaronn … @ national championships because he sucks so bad, that guy.
Plays against the best in college, crazy road games.
Pressure, and yeah that offense with big o-lines with NFl guys, power run games and pro style wr’s like you said…
oh wait sounds like NFL talent? Maybe that translates, an NFL offense in college? and then going the NFL? oh wait….yes I would take him all day.
I never mentioned McElroy, you did.
AJ is deadly accurate and throws a perfect deep ball, strong arm and intelligent.
Idiot.
No I would rather have Mariota and his flag football offense against washingotn state running up the score for BCS points.
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AJ McCarron is a game manager, they ask him not to F it up and lose the game for them. alabama nkows they don’t need a great qb to win games, they win because they have elite lineman, multiple 5 star running backs, and a top 5 defense every year. he is accurate because he is throwing to wide open receivers and rarely ever faces pressure due to a great ru game and an elite o line. at best inn the nfl mccarron will be matt leinhart.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_XicdVnBXw
your boy McCarron’s highlights from 2011. 90% of his passes went to receivers that had no one withing 5 -10 yards of them. that doesn’t happen in the nfl
March 6th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Brahs, gonna do a little Dawg-style stand up comedy tonight at Jer Ne if any of you dorks wanna stop by for a sweet laugh
Got some hella hilariious new material, like this crazy one about the polar bear and the jewish electrician
You’ll have to stop by if you want to hear how this gem turns out
Anyway I’ll expect you to buy the Dawg a few drinks and keep your paws off my women
If I even think you’re staring at any of the Beeeech Dawgettes’s va-jay-jays you’ll receive a lethal scissorkick to the nad region
SHIZ JUST GOT REAL
>>>>
Real men share their va-jay-jays with their Raider buddies.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
1199.NGRaiderfan Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_XicdVnBXw
your boy McCarron’s highlights from 2011. 90% of his passes went to receivers that had no one withing 5 -10 yards of them. that doesn’t happen in the nfl
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the other 10 were great catches by his wr
March 6th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
NGRaiderfan….
I don’t know how you come up with the hot garbage that comes out of your silver & black year round painted face and dark vader costume and onto this blog???
But your a raider fan, as am I, I just diagree with your NFL QB breakdown completely.
Im glad I now know Mcaronn is a system player, now I can justify your Mariota talk by being sarcastic…..
Since Mariota is NOT a system QB he will be good.
Since Mariota does NOT throw short systematically called pass plays from held up signs (giant flash cards) from the sidelines he will be a great QB in NFL.
Since Mariota completes 68% of his passes he will NOT fail in the NFL.
Since Mariota does NOT run slow he will be baller.
goodnight
March 6th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Raven vs. Raider defense? I think you are getting the point.
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Like I said, maybe Palmer should go to a ready made team, if he can find one. Now’s his chance.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
anyways? …
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/6/4072274/oakland-raiders-free-agent-focus-with-insider-insight-te-delanie-walker
didn’t htink about walker. i’d take him in a heart beat. guy is nails! and a bay boy? comin pretty cheap no doubt? i’ll take it!
March 6th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Kell
No I am saying Flacco sucks (to be blunt)not that Palmer is so good. I want the whole Raider team to improve and Palmer can have his good Raider team around him and then hand the keys to a hopefully improved Pryor in 14.
Palmer at this point is an average NFL QB. With the right schemes and people an offense with Palmer can potentially be very effective.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Raven vs. Raider defense? I think you are getting the point.
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The Raider Defense was better than:
Colts
Redskins
Patriots
Falcons
Giants
Saints
None of them finished 4-12.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
1202.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
NGRaiderfan….
I don’t know how you come up with the hot garbage that comes out of your silver & black year round painted face and dark vader costume and onto this blog???
But your a raider fan, as am I, I just diagree with your NFL QB breakdown completely.
Im glad I now know Mcaronn is a system player, now I can justify your Mariota talk by being sarcastic…..
Since Mariota is NOT a system QB he will be good.
Since Mariota does NOT throw short systematically called pass plays from held up signs (giant flash cards) from the sidelines he will be a great QB in NFL.
Since Mariota completes 68% of his passes he will NOT fail in the NFL.
Since Mariota does NOT run slow he will be baller.
goodnight
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I never said Mariota would for sure be a great qb in the nfl. I said I liked him more than Johnny Manziel. I said i thought he was better than manziel. what are u even talking abot. u can never ever tell if a player is going to be good in the nfl until they get there.
jamarcus
ryan leaf
leinhart
Sanchez
etc.
there is almost no such thing as a sure pick. I said I think mariota is better than manziel. I noted he had size, was accurate, and athletic. I never said we should draft him first round or anything like that. where do u get all of this?
March 6th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Cut Palmer!
March 6th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/6/4072812/oakland-raiders-terrelle-pryor-thinks-hes-second-fastest-nfl-qb-but-is-he
Pryor is probably the fastest QB in the NFL. Too bad we can not have a sprint for the win each week.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
delanie is akin to marcell reece.
he is better blocker than reec but doesnt have reeces hands
they would be interesting on the field together
March 6th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
pryor is the fastest qb
the wave of the future wears number 6
March 6th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
1202.raiderinparadise Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
NGRaiderfan….
I don’t know how you come up with the hot garbage that comes out of your silver & black year round painted face and dark vader costume and onto this blog???
But your a raider fan, as am I, I just diagree with your NFL QB breakdown completely.
Im glad I now know Mcaronn is a system player, now I can justify your Mariota talk by being sarcastic…..
Since Mariota is NOT a system QB he will be good.
Since Mariota does NOT throw short systematically called pass plays from held up signs (giant flash cards) from the sidelines he will be a great QB in NFL.
Since Mariota completes 68% of his passes he will NOT fail in the NFL.
Since Mariota does NOT run slow he will be baller.
goodnight
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Cam Newton ran the sam offense as mariota by the way, cards and everything. he is doing alright. not like he broke any rookie records or anything….
ur talking smack about a freshman in college’s game. mccarron was holding a clipboard when he was a freshman.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
i’m out. late raider nation
March 6th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Raven vs. Raider defense? I think you are getting the point.
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Like I said, maybe Palmer should go to a ready made team, if he can find one. Now’s his chance.
>>>>
If Reggie is stupid enough to cut him (and I honestly think he might) Minn is a perfect team for him.
Indoors, hand the ball off to AP, throw deep to Harvin when he doesn’t.
Prolly be an instant pro-bowler.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Kell
You are not getting this. If the Ravens had lets say Matt Flynn do you think they might still be a super bowl contender. How about Matt Moore or even Carson Palmer. That is my point not that Palmer is awesome or something. My point is Flacco is overrated and that the team around the player matters.
The teams you bring up have different strengths for instance the Falcons have awesome WRs, NE has awesome TEs. Let me put it this way. How many all pros did the Raiders have? How about the Ravens?
March 6th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
TP says Vick is faster than him but thrown in Vick’s “age” and TP is the fastest QB in the NFL.
Pryor, “He reportedly ran a 4.32 40-yard dash and his pro day with an overall time of 4.38″
Vick, “Michael Vick ran an official 4.36 40-yard dash as a rookie”
March 6th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Kell
You are not getting this. If the Ravens had lets say Matt Flynn do you think they might still be a super bowl contender. How about Matt Moore or even Carson Palmer. That is my point not that Palmer is awesome or something. My point is Flacco is overrated and that the team around the player matters.
The teams you bring up have different strengths for instance the Falcons have awesome WRs, NE has awesome TEs. Let me put it this way. How many all pros did the Raiders have? How about the Ravens?
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Ravens would not have won a super bowl with Palmer. Palmer would have threw his classic critical INT to lose the game in let’s say the first round of the playoffs. “Playoffs?”
March 6th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Let me flip this. How many wins do you think the Raiders would have if Flacco was the starter instead of Palmer. 5 wins more than 5…..? I mean we know that if you lose Aaron Rogers Green Bay is garbage. You lose Manning and Denver becomes ordinary. You lose Cam and Carlonia pics #1. But Flacco?
March 6th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
i’ll take the slightly slower QBs with a accurate arm over the faster QBs that throw wobblers all day.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
hmmm devin gardner
under the radar prospect high on my board
2014 will be a solid qb class
March 6th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Kell
You are not getting this. If the Ravens had lets say Matt Flynn do you think they might still be a super bowl contender. How about Matt Moore or even Carson Palmer. That is my point not that Palmer is awesome or something. My point is Flacco is overrated and that the team around the player matters.
The teams you bring up have different strengths for instance the Falcons have awesome WRs, NE has awesome TEs. Let me put it this way. How many all pros did the Raiders have? How about the Ravens?
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Great QB’s make players around them better.
Flacco, just won the Super Bowl. However you review the cast around him. 9-4 in Playoff games. They weren’t schit the year before he got there.
If Balt had Palmer, they never make it to the Playoffs.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
delanie is akin to marcell reece.
he is better blocker than reec but doesnt have reeces hands
they would be interesting on the field together
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true story. although i’d bet that delanie is the more polished route runner. maybe not by much. and he’s a BEAST blocker anywhere he’s on the field.. something Reece lacks in
but that’s perfect. on the field together, ones a great pass catcher and grease lighting, ones a great blocker that can also catch.
again, i’ll take it over Brandon Myers(not hating on the kid i just think he’s a goner regardless)
March 6th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Ravens would not have won a super bowl with Palmer. Palmer would have threw his classic critical INT to lose the game in let’s say the first round of the playoffs. “Playoffs?”
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Maybe so or maybe not. Anquion Bolden might of broke up that interception while Bey popped one up for a grateful saftey.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Fifteen years ago, defenses were geared to defend the West Coast offense and they eventually got it. The same will happen to the pro-option just like it did the wildcat a couple years ago. It’s the flavor of the month and these guys will all be forced to be pocket passers again by the end of next season. Andrew Luck is the QB of the future.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
::)
March 6th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Seriously Kell
Did you see Flacco his rookie year – they won games in spite of him. He sucked. It was the team was getting better around him – that is my point.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Gdog Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Brahs, gonna do a little Dawg-style stand up comedy tonight at Jer Ne if any of you dorks wanna stop by for a sweet laugh
Got some hella hilariious new material, like this crazy one about the polar bear and the jewish electrician
You’ll have to stop by if you want to hear how this gem turns out
Anyway I’ll expect you to buy the Dawg a few drinks and keep your paws off my women
If I even think you’re staring at any of the Beeeech Dawgettes’s va-jay-jays you’ll receive a lethal scissorkick to the nad region
SHIZ JUST GOT REAL
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Real men share their va-jay-jays with their Raider buddies.
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Darn it GDawg you make an excellent point
Let me smoke a spliff and contemplate this one for a few hours
March 6th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
1226.
i know diehard ravens’ fans that would agree with that statement. rookie year and the next couple of seasons after even.
March 6th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Has Jamarcus lost 1 pound yet from him usual 304 lbs ?
March 6th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Fifteen years ago, defenses were geared to defend the West Coast offense and they eventually got it. The same will happen to the pro-option
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flawed logic
1. the wco is still a highly successful offense in the nfl redskins, seahawks, 9ers, texans were all in the playoffs using wco as its base philosophy.
Not sure where you got the idea it has been “stopped” or “caught up to” or “figured out”
2. the option game has already been “figured out’ it isnt a mystery or nor is it fooling anyone.
It is a simple matter of making all 11 defenders account for alll 11 offensive players, and capitalizing on the aggressive or passive instinctual response from the defenders.
I dont think you understand what you are seeing
March 6th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Good like Tryin to prove that this game is decided by 53 players n not 1 guy like In tennis
March 6th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
kirk morrison was on petros and money show the other day talking about how vets expect alot out of #1 picks so when jamarcus got to the practice field all the vets were very curious to see what he can do. he gets to practice and jamarcus is throwing darts, hittin all his targets short and deep, effortlessly. but for some reason it didn’t translate to the field….what could have been
March 6th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Luck*^^^^
March 6th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Mistic can you please tell me how horrible the team around M Vick and Newton was 13-19 or were the the only ones responsible for those losses like Palmer is responsible for every loss ?
March 6th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
I be patiently waiting for ur response , please please I really need to know the great wisdom lol
March 6th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Seriously Kell
Did you see Flacco his rookie year – they won games in spite of him. He sucked. It was the team was getting better around him – that is my point.
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Sorry, Teams don’t win in spite of QB’s.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Kell
Teams do win in spite of QBs. Did you not see Tebow in 2011 I am through with this it is almost like talking to Mystic.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Mistic can you please tell me how horrible the team around M Vick and Newton was 13-19 or were the the only ones responsible for those losses like Palmer is responsible for every loss ?
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I never made that claim
what do vick and newton have to do with palmer?
March 6th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
vick and newton are secure with jobs next year
palmer?
March 6th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
ERIC WINSTON being released per PFT..
March 6th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
peace
March 6th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Wow! KK ratted me out and I got banned.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
I feel special, now.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Wow! KK ratted me out and I got banned.
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What do u mean?
March 6th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
I’ve confirmed via text that the #Chiefs have officially released Eric Winston.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
If true, Winston is one of the best offensive tackles on the market. Ranked No. 3 right tackle in #NFL1000 grades.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Ok Autumn Wind.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
vick and newton are secure with jobs next year
palmer?
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Just as a matter of fact. If palmer offered Vick’s deal to the Raiders, Reggie would lose 20 lbs of water weight rushing to his desk to sign it!!!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Dump a RT to throw money at a WR. Brilliant.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Despite my apparent “flawed logic” I will stand by my statement. The pro option is a fad that will pass and the qbs that can’t adapt to pocket passing will become the Vicks and Youngs of 2014.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
I am not impressed with KC’s offseason so far…. Have you seen some of the LT comments.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
On a much happier note. Thee Mr. Bo “knows” Jackson, named greatest athlete of all time! Career with our Raiders cut short way to early. Magnificent athlete who absolutely loved playing for the Silver and Black.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Actually breaking wind the facts as they stand now is Palmer is in no position to make any offers he only can counter the raiders pay cut or be cut proposition
March 6th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Wow! KK ratted me out and I got banned.
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What do u mean?
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I got banned, plain and simple. I’ve posted about 30 comments today and checkimg from a secondary computer only my Alvin Lee RIP got thru’.
I emailed Cork and Becker and asked why?
Wonder what their response will be, don’t you, KK?
March 6th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Jwb
Your response is predictable but clinging to ignorance is the common play for fools
Be my guest
March 6th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Good you for banned you bring nothing to the table anyway
March 6th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Ok peace for real
March 6th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
I’ve confirmed via text that the #Chiefs have officially released Eric Winston.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
If true, Winston is one of the best offensive tackles on the market. Ranked No. 3 right tackle in #NFL1000 grades.
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Too bad he’s a ZBS RT!!!
Wonder if the Chiefs are making room for Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher?
March 6th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
PFT’s Hot 100 list of free agents includes Bryant (33), Seymour (42), Myers (65), Shaughnessy (90) and Lechler (92). And no Wheeler.
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Get off your high horse Wheeler and sign back with the Nation
March 6th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Palmer will take a cut. He doesn’t need the money. He’s only playing because he wants to.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Bo my favorite Raider?… Dont know… Really liked him but to many favorites fornme to pin down one Raider….. I will say my Favorite Raider year was the 76 Raiders…
March 6th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
once upon da galaxy far far away, da raiduhs wuz da feared privateer, da lurking mega-denizen of da boundless deep. den dey comes furst to be shamu in a small tank – makin’ lotsa splash and lookin’ big but dey trapped. den dey gets lika whale shark in an aquarium, all big and slow and got no teeth. now dey’s lika a flounder, layin’ on da bottom wif boaf eyes lookin’ up but only awaitn’ what crap might float dere way.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Golden Haired Hero is feelimg no love these days. but it wasn’this take on these idiotic discussions. It was mine.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
I agree that Palmer will more than likely take a pay cut and remain on the team and problably be the starter…..
March 6th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Am I free yet?
Please respond.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Yes you are.
Carry on my wayward son.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
We should sign a RT in FA, and focus our draft on defense.
We need a DT/ NT, RDE/ pass rusher, CB, and LB.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Our team has so many holes….. Im just hoping for improvement at this point…you could close your eyes and point and find a weak spot … This is where we findout if Reggies for real…..
March 6th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Fingers Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
I agree that Palmer will more than likely take a pay cut and remain on the team and problably be the starter…..
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I agree that’s probably the scenario.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Agree about our D… Start with the D and work out … Its gonna take at least two draft years … And some good free sgent signings
March 6th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Actually breaking wind the facts as they stand now is Palmer is in no position to make any offers he only can counter the raiders pay cut or be cut proposition
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wow dude…you are just in denial…..palmer holds ALL the cards….if you dont think his agent doesnt know his market value your kidding yourself…..palmer will offer the raiders a pay cut only if he doesnt have a better offer……otherwise he will stick to his guns and force the raiders to cut him allowing him to select where he wants to go based on the back door deals already cut…………..
my guess is palmer forces cut and is immediatly signed by the az cardinals….he is the perfect fit for arians O and the big missing piece for their team….they can then use their top pick on the OT they need or the DL they need….besides that they have a pretty good team…………do you think palmer would rather throw to fitz or streeter
March 6th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
So you got me bsnned fot a day, KoolKell.
Feels good, doesn’t it?
You frickin old fart.
March 6th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Sooner or later the Qb will need to be addressed buti dont think it happens this year
March 6th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
palmer closer to home in SD from AZ rather than Oak
March 6th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
All I know is Reg must, must, must resign Desmond Bryant. Mitchell and Wheeler, too. But letting Bryant walk would be an epic failure.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Unless the right offer came in … Then i could see Palmer going…. If it helps the team.. Then do it…
March 6th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
My Real Golden Haired Hero Died Today.
R.I.P. Alvin Lee.
He’ll make it home.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Wheeler for sure … Ive still got questions with Mitchell
March 6th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Mitchell seems to play out of position a lot
March 6th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
I heard Winston was a bit of a disappointment last year.
I think Chiefs still go with Joeckel. No starting RT, their LT is on a one-year franchise deal and Joeckel is the best prospect in this draft. I wouldn’t say it’s a slam dunk, but I’d say the odds are about 80% on them taking Joeckel.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
So you got me bsnned fot a day, KoolKell.
Feels good, doesn’t it?
You frickin old fart.
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Go fk ur self. I don’t give a schit about your problems. Go stalk somebody else.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
mitchell is a backup….the team needs backups too
March 6th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Yep…. Depth was a big problem last yr
March 6th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Especially at corner
March 6th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
I don’t see the problems some have with Mitchell. With all due respect, I think that’s just a carryover of the TV guys, most of whom never watched his tape, saying how he was overdrafted. I’ve got bigger questions about Branch than I do Mitchell. MM34 should be starting.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
palmer closer to home in SD from AZ rather than Oak
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It’s a hour flight for either.
He wants to stay in California. You should see his place in Del Mar. I used to drive by it everyday on my way into work. Absolutely amazing.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
But if he did go to AZ, at least he would be throwing to a legit receiver. Compared to the crap we have.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Branch was a major disappointment last year… My gawd did he slip or what…
March 6th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
HADNT HEARD ABOUT THAT PURV..ALVIN LEE WAS ONE OF THE GREATS “LET THE SKY FALL” WAS A CATCHY LITTLE TUNE THAT STICKS IN MY HEAD..
March 6th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
We have no recievers….. Not a # 1 at all..i thought Moore might be a good weapon
March 6th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Maybe moore will bounce back
March 6th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
So, Palmer’s deal doesn’t have to be done by March 12, yes? Reggie could string the QB market along for awhile?
March 6th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Jackson says Al wanted him as his GM …. Lol…. I dont believe that for one minute…
March 6th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Yep…. Reggie could play it like hes shopping Palmer and Gonna draft Geno just to trade down…. I could see that… Dontn want smith , but i could see them using it
March 6th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
00tt00 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Actually breaking wind the facts as they stand now is Palmer is in no position to make any offers he only can counter the raiders pay cut or be cut proposition
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wow dude…you are just in denial…..palmer holds ALL the cards….if you dont think his agent doesnt know his market value your kidding yourself…..palmer will offer the raiders a pay cut only if he doesnt have a better offer……otherwise he will stick to his guns and force the raiders to cut him allowing him to select where he wants to go based on the back door deals already cut…………..
my guess is palmer forces cut and is immediatly signed by the az cardinals….he is the perfect fit for arians O and the big missing piece for their team….they can then use their top pick on the OT they need or the DL they need….besides that they have a pretty good team…………do you think palmer would rather throw to fitz or streeter
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Is Mystic really this stupid? Does he not realize that Vicks deal is a bargin if it was Palmer? That was the point. He realy thinks that the agent can’t approach Reggie. He is one stupid dude. I wish someone whould ban him for a day rather than the Eternal Optimist guy. Everytime I respond to him I am astonished with the nonsense he spews back.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Like toknow what palmers thinking ….. Does he even want to come back…. Couldnt much blame him if he didnt
March 6th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Kell
I am not sure when the base kicks in RM may be able to wait longer than the 12th to rework Palmer.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Nathan Jahnke @PFF_NateJahnke
Eric Winston allowed just three sacks in 2012. Every other RT with 3 or less sacks allowed played fewer pass block snaps than Winston.
Retweeted by Matt Miller
March 6th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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Is Mystic really this stupid? Does he not realize that Vicks deal is a bargin if it was Palmer? That was the point. He realy thinks that the agent can’t approach Reggie. He is one stupid dude. I wish someone whould ban him for a day rather than the Eternal Optimist guy. Everytime I respond to him I am astonished with the nonsense he spews back.
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Why don’t you just scroll past his remarks, and everybody else’s remarks you don’t agree with?
March 6th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
I heard Winston was a bit of a disappointment last year.
I think Chiefs still go with Joeckel. No starting RT, their LT is on a one-year franchise deal and Joeckel is the best prospect in this draft. I wouldn’t say it’s a slam dunk, but I’d say the odds are about 80% on them taking Joeckel.
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not a bad guess… speaking of Winston, if he’s cheap I think he would be an ok match for our new power scheme..
March 6th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Me… I like Palmer….i just dont think we have the team that fits his skill level ….
March 6th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
6 mins SBreport @SBreport
Now watching Terrelle Pryor in preseason and regular season, wouldn’t blame McKenzie for scrapping Palmer who’s paid 21 times more than TP.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Winston did that with the likes of Cassell and Quinn as QB as well!!! He may be just as good as Joekel tackles are hard to predict in draft aka Gallery.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider
Eric Winston gave up just three sacks last season, according to Pro Football Focus. Not too shabby
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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how many did our RT GIVE UP?
March 6th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Raiders QB Palmer unsure about future in Oakland
“Thanks to Paul Gutierrez of CSN Bay Area, we finally have a comment from Palmer himself, but it is not promising. In an e-mail exchange, Palmer told Gutierrez that he has not heard from the Raiders with regards to his contract and that he is “not sure what is going to happen” but that he “would love to be back in Oakland and compete.
Doesn’t sound like much, but there are certainly things that can be taken away from Palmer’s few words. First, it is rather concerning that Palmer has not heard anything about his future in Oakland. What are the Raiders waiting for? With free agency just around the corner, why would the Raiders not have even begun conversations with Palmer’s camp? Negotiating a new contract with Palmer could take a while, so it is surprising to me that the Raiders have not yet even opened up a dialogue.”
Palmer will be cut.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
morilla Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Yes you are.
Carry on my wayward son.
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Thery’ll be peace when you are done.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
They have not even been talking to Palmer about his contract.
He’s getting cut
March 6th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Raido… Thanks…. I was just wondering what he was thinking
March 6th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Kell
I largely do scroll past his remarks at this point – especially the long meandering ones but when he starts a remark with “Breaking Wind” its hard to overlook. Actually I hope he is never banned. We would never hear the end of the racist conspiracy etc… The thing is I actually agree with a lot of the things he says about Pryor its just its more potential at this point than actualility with me.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Even with that article im not sure theyve really made up tneir mibds yet….
March 6th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Anybody know the deadline in the Palmer contract talks?
March 6th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Oh yeah, saw the breaking wind crap.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
That Eternal Optimist feller called me the N-word yesterday. I ignored him.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
We’ ll findout real soon what kind of horse trader Reggiei is
March 6th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
ingers Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Like toknow what palmers thinking ….. Does he even want to come back…. Couldnt much blame him if he didnt
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I think he think he would like to get $15M first
stay on west coast second
go to winner 3rd
get paid big east coast forth
retire 5th
get paid small bucks back east getting beat up with a loser sixth
March 6th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
fingers Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
We’ ll findout real soon what kind of horse trader Reggiei is
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..or horses azz.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Kell…. Gotta be before the draft.. By then they have to know what direction they want to go at Qb
March 6th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Dj… Lol… Were gonna findout real soon
March 6th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Oottoo… Sounds like the cards.. Theyd be a fit
March 6th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Anybody know the deadline in the Palmer contract talks?
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I dont know palmers deadlines but typically an agent puts into the contract that a sizable bonus is due within a couple days of the start of the new NFL year….which is when FA starts….that way the player hits the open market when most marketable
March 6th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
That Eternal Optimist feller called me the N-word yesterday. I ignored him.
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Kell
Seriously uncalled for. I did not know that. He should have been banned longer than a day! Mystic is just loopy and calls people racists from time to time.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Free agency starts 3-12-13. Less than a week from now.
The Raiders have not contact Carson about restructuring.
Sounds like he will be cut.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Fingers Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Oottoo… Sounds like the cards.. Theyd be a fit
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Im hoping its such a good fit that the cards lay out their 2nd round draft pick for him….then Im ok with him going
March 6th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
You guys will be depressed when Palmer gets cut…you’ll have to find someone new to blame for all the Raiders problems and since the 4-12 was “all Palmer” then this will be great to see Pryor lead us to the playoffs…after all, it’s all on the QB.
This is awesome.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Raido
It sounds like you are hoping more than knowing on this cut thing. I will give you this if CP does not give something here he probably will be cut. He has got to know his value is not 13 million plus.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
im sure we will get over it. He wouldnt be here after next year anyway. why prolong it
If reggie felt that way palmer would be staying
March 6th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Raido
It sounds like you are hoping more than knowing on this cut thing. I will give you this if CP does not give something here he probably will be cut. He has got to know his value is not 13 million plus.
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When a team plans to keep the QB they move fast on contract stuff. Look at the Eagles and Vick since that is a similar situation.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
I agree Raido. It doesn’t look good for Palmer imo.
I could be wrong, but that doesn’t seem like a good sign.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
The only way the Cards give anything is with a sign and trade deal. This would all be arranged once tampering can start here in a couple of days with the agent. This would allow for the Cards to not have to compete on the open market. The probably would not give up much more than a 4th for such a privleage.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
BTW ESPN ED WERNER says its highly likely Palmer will be cut.
Reggie is ready to roll with pryor and its already be said withing the ORG to get pryor ready. Said it was re told to him at the combine. ED is legit source
could be why something was said to pryor and he has been working out like crazy. Pics do prove it
March 6th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
WHEN HUE was canned.. Everything we hoped for palmer left with hue IMO time to move on from him
March 6th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Raido
It sounds like you are hoping more than knowing on this cut thing. I will give you this if CP does not give something here he probably will be cut. He has got to know his value is not 13 million plus.
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he knows what his value is……..but if he is going to take a salary cut what makes you think he wants to do it with the raiders……..would rather take a cut and throw to fitz
March 6th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Reggie is ready to roll with pryor and its already be said withing the ORG to get pryor ready. Said it was re told to him at the combine. ED is legit source
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doesnt make any logical sense….if hes ready to roll with pryor then that means he still has to hire two more QB’s……and heres the kicker……..that are worse than TP
March 6th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
We had better get Moore on speed dial then. I guess if pryor does not work out it may make for a great excuse to tank this year. I don’t know if MD will buy it though. Going downy for Cloney unless Pryor can come of age fast – now that is rolling the dice for sure.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
WHEN HUE was canned.. Everything we hoped for palmer left with hue IMO time to move on from him
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i think thats probably true……f..u….reggie and DA
March 6th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
We had better get Moore on speed dial then. I guess if pryor does not work out it may make for a great excuse to tank this year. I don’t know if MD will buy it though. Going downy for Cloney unless Pryor can come of age fast – now that is rolling the dice for sure.
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Its a tight QB market and moore is the top prize believe it or not……..moore is going to get overpaid…and its not going to be the raiders
March 6th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Black Hole Priest will be so happy maybe get a new GM in 14 that will get him back to the sidelines. Man I guess I can look on the bright side maybe Pryor is the man and he got enough and will get enough to go. Not feeling it but I guess it is what it is.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
so where would that lead us…..lets go with TP-vince young-jamarcus…..now were cookin
March 6th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Chiefs releasing Winston because RT might be the easiest position to replace in all of sports.
You can get a guy in the 3rd or 4th round, pay him 500K a year, and get solid play from him.
They get to FA, want to get paid, you let them walk, draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th round…..rinse, wash, repeat.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Wow this is getting comical – maybe get Campbell back? This is why I want Palmer for one more year.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
cant you wait to see the throws go out of bounds again
March 6th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Just Fire
We will see on that. My bet is the go with Joekel and move Albert over there which means they will invest about 18 million on their two tackles. They hired big FA last year – the 3rd rounder is not their pattern.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
BTW ESPN ED WERNER says its highly likely Palmer will be cut.
Reggie is ready to roll with pryor and its already be said withing the ORG to get pryor ready. Said it was re told to him at the combine. ED is legit source
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Palmer cut, Geno drafted.
This IS happening
March 6th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Albert said he does not and will not play RT, because he knows it means a future paycut.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
if geno is drafted the TP guys arent going to be real happy….geno will get the grooming……TP needs carson or for someone to trade up with JAX to nab geno
March 6th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Patriots also wlling to let Volmer, stud RT, walk as well.
Same thing. No need to pay him a bunch of money
March 6th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Patriots much more interested in paying a WR than a tackle.
March 6th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
if getting a RT is easy why has the raiders failed for the past several years
March 6th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Didn’t GDog tell us there was no way we cut Rolando?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/report-raiders-expected-to-release-rolando-mcclain/
March 6th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
if getting a RT is easy why has the raiders failed for the past several years
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Khalif Barnes is a lot better than you think.
STarted playoff games at LT before he got here, graded out better than guys like Jake Long and Michael Oher.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
And that $10 million in dead cap money for Rolando was inaccurate as well.
I had it at 7.8, and can take 2.6 this year and the rest next year.
I am learning that Sportrac is not at all accurate with their numbers.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Man if we reach for Geno it is going to be a long long year. 8 million a year for an unproven 2nd round graded QB. I hope Reggie is not that stupid but I am begining to wonder after the Briesll deal. If we do cut Palmer I hope we roll with Pryor and bring in a FA as backup plan.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Say no to Floyd, 44 tackles to go with one sack, no thanks!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Evening, all….
P-man, check this out….
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/06/us/winter-weather/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
March 6th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
$8 million a year?
RGIII, #2 pick overall, was signed for 4 years 21 million.
Might not even cost 5 million a year.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Guys I am starting to feel like 2006 again. I need to take a break.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Third photo in the gallery.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Patriots much more interested in paying a WR than a tackle.
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You could always make some isolated wacko comparisons to try to prove a point.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Khalif Barnes is a lot better than you think.
STarted playoff games at LT before he got here, graded out better than guys like Jake Long and Michael Oher.
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barnes is good run blocker…not very good in pass protection…..and cant count the snap
March 6th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
You could always make some isolated wacko comparisons to try to prove a point.
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Like your link earlier today on domestic terror groups?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
$8 million a year?
RGIII, #2 pick overall, was signed for 4 years 21 million.
Might not even cost 5 million a year.
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we have rookie salary caps now
March 6th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
If we keep Palmer, maybe we win 7-8 games.
I’d rather see what Pryor can do and if we suck again, the QB draft class is good next year.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Reggie is destroying this team. First he fires Hue and hires that big boobed fart face Dennis Allen, then he oversees the destruction of the offense, then he f’s up all these signings, and fields a 4-12 team.
I’m glad he’s doing things the ‘right way’ cuz I could’ve sworn this org is more f’d up than it ever has been.
He treats his players under contract like they’re dog doo doo, hires his brother, alienates the fan base, signs practice squad losers and can’t wait to put in an inexperienced 3rd rd draft pick who can’t throw in the most important position on the team.
Gee. Thanks Reggie for destroying my favorite team.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Carson “Pick Six” Palmer “4 wins”, hasn’t talked to Reggie or anybody? His agent, no one?
BTW that is really Carsons Indian name……..Google it!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
So you got me bsnned fot a day, KoolKell.
Feels good, doesn’t it?
You frickin old fart.
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Go fk ur self. I don’t give a schit about your problems. Go stalk somebody else.
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Say it proudly, Kell.
I am the snitch.
You’ll feel better.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Man if we reach for Geno it is going to be a long long year. 8 million a year for an unproven 2nd round graded QB. I hope Reggie is not that stupid but I am begining to wonder after the Briesll deal. If we do cut Palmer I hope we roll with Pryor and bring in a FA as backup plan.
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No geno
If we cut Palmer roll with TP6 and sign a vet…
Matt More David Gerrad(SpellCheck) hell even take a shot on Vince Young and draft a late round QB…
March 6th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Carson Palmer a security blanket?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
We could possibly get Bruce Gradkowski to back up TP
March 6th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Weren’t the Lakers down by 25 points with 5 minutes left in the 4th??? And won the game by 6?
WTF???
Fukin Lakers!!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
realtruraider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Carson “Pick Six” Palmer “4 wins”, hasn’t talked to Reggie or anybody? His agent, no one?
BTW that is really Carsons Indian name……..Google it!!!
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Realtruraider? Shouldn’t your name be “real raider hater”.
Go back to the donkey board and spew your hate filled b.s amongst your real friends.
Palmer is the only player on the whole damn team that broke his back trying to help em win and typical fake fans like you can only rip on him.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Sign Eric Winston!!!!! I wanted him last year!!! Cmon Reggie sign that nasty Moutha F@cker!!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You people still griping about Palmer are laughable. You should be suspended from this blog for a week just for being obtuse.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Evening, all….
P-man, check this out….
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Not sure I can interact with you. I was wrong about the retard KK. He snitched ,according to Becker, and I was not banned but put on administrative leave, so to speak, and apparently retard is fine but you know what isn’t.
I will check that out, nonetheless.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
I’d take Grads backing TP, we need someone who’s fiery!!! Someone who will get in them Receiver’s face like ole Gannon use to do!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
We’re suppose to release Slolondo Mcclain, why not try and get a draft pick out of him??? I know for a fact Baltimore would take a chance on him, Come on Reggie!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Ohioraider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You people still griping about Palmer are laughable. You should be suspended from this blog for a week just for being obtuse.
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Raiders are NOT going to pay Palmer $13 mil this year. Free agency starts on Tuesday. Palmer said the Raiders have not even contacted him or his agent yet about contract talks. What “griping”?. LOL You fill in the blanks.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Scourge, there’s not even any snow on the ground in that photo.
By the way Kell, how’s it feel being the blog snitch?
Uncle Ruckus?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
ohioraider Says:
You people still griping about Palmer are laughable. You should be suspended from this blog for a week just for being obtuse.
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You’re right. He’s the starter. Let’s move on.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Lol
March 6th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
ohioraider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You people still griping about Palmer are laughable. You should be suspended from this blog for a week just for being obtuse.
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“We’ll have ourselves a book burning party…they’ll see the smoke for miles…we’ll dance around the flames like wild indians..catch my drift? Or am I being obtuse?”
March 6th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
I saw the llama photo and laughed.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
no one in their right mind would trade for rolando. everyone knew day one he would be cut after his altercation with DA and his other off field crap. was just a matter of time. i’m sure reggie tried like hell though
March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
You would think Reggie would want to get one of the biggest “out of whack” contracts(Palmer’s)in the NFL fixed before free agency.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
there are so many players in this draft to trade up for. we are sitting pretty at 3 ahead of philly who need a CB like milliner, a LB like Dion Jordan etc. teams from picks 12-32 would love to trade up for these guys
March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
1375.RaidO Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Ohioraider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You people still griping about Palmer are laughable. You should be suspended from this blog for a week just for being obtuse.
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Raiders are NOT going to pay Palmer $13 mil this year. Free agency starts on Tuesday. Palmer said the Raiders have not even contacted him or his agent yet about contract talks. What “griping”?. LOL You fill in the blanks.
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Do you honestly believe that Palmer’s agent and he Raiders have had no contact? Seriously?
I guarantee you there has been conversation. Just because Palmer and the Raiders aren’t acknowledging it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
This is the Raiders we’re talking about here, and a seasoned veteran. Both parties know how to handle these things and are no doubt deliberately avoiding any press involvement.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
“We’ll have ourselves a book burning party…they’ll see the smoke for miles…we’ll dance around the flames like wild indians..catch my drift? Or am I being obtuse?”
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Shawshank! A classic and one of my all time favorites.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Fck both of you, Becker and Cork!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
with the new rebuilding of this team i’m ok with our first pick being in the 2nd round this year. get picks reggie!
March 6th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
P-man, you need to select the third photo in the gallery.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Neither one of you could parse a frickin sentence to save your journalistic azz
March 6th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
1375.RaidO Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Ohioraider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You people still griping about Palmer are laughable. You should be suspended from this blog for a week just for being obtuse.
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Raiders are NOT going to pay Palmer $13 mil this year. Free agency starts on Tuesday. Palmer said the Raiders have not even contacted him or his agent yet about contract talks. What “griping”?. LOL You fill in the blanks.
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Do you honestly believe that Palmer’s agent and he Raiders have had no contact? Seriously?
I guarantee you there has been conversation. Just because Palmer and the Raiders aren’t acknowledging it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
This is the Raiders we’re talking about here, and a seasoned veteran. Both parties know how to handle these things and are no doubt deliberately avoiding any press involvement.
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LOL. No point in having secrets about restructuring Palmer’s contract. Not in this situation. Sounds like “Palmer lover” wishful thinking on your part.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
P-man, what does “administrative leave” entail?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Scourge Says:
P-man, you need to select the third photo in the gallery.
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am I here to you, scourge?
cuz becker and cork let me post thinking I was posting but I wasn’t . sneaky crap.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Does it mean you can’t say you had a good healthy Kell and your pants fit better?
March 6th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
You guys will be depressed when Palmer gets cut…you’ll have to find someone new to blame for all the Raiders problems and since the 4-12 was “all Palmer” then this will be great to see Pryor lead us to the playoffs…after all, it’s all on the QB.
This is awesome.
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Its really quite ridiculous isn’t it.
March 6th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
P-man, I getting your posts.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
They did out KK, though, so that was cool.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Its really quite ridiculous isn’t it.
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The question is does reggie feel it is? he would feel it 100x worse then a fan. Its his job
March 6th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
NEW PFT ARTICLE #####
Terrelle Pryor is ready to win over his coaches, teammates
Posted by Mike Florio on March 6, 2013, 10:46 PM EST
Getty Images
With Raiders G.M. Reggie McKenzie telling Pro Football Talk at the Scouting Combine that a competition will occur for the starting quarterback job, this means that third-year backup Terrelle Pryor has a shot at winning the gig.
Pryor told Pro Football Talk on Wednesday that he’ll be ready to go if/when he gets the opportunity to start. At this point, though, he’s focused on building credibility within the organization.
“Right now I’m trying to win over my coaches, win over my teammates and everybody in the facility and let them know that I wanna be a leader, a great leader and I’m there for the long haul and I wanna win just as bad as everybody else and that’s what I want to prove to everybody before I really get into talks of starting and stuff like that,” Pryor told Erik Kuselias.
Pryor stopped short of declaring himself to be the best quarterback currently on the roster.
“I don’t really wanna give comparisons or anything like that because Carson [Palmer] does a great job of what he does, and I can also play too and do some things well too,” Pryor said. “So I can’t down talk him because he’s a great QB to me and I just wanna stay on my side of seeing what I have to do to get better every single day and that’s where I’m at right now. “
Still, with the trend toward mobile quarterbacks, Pryor knows he brings the ability to move to the table.
“I feel like I can extend plays and . . . you don’t know what your gonna get from me as a QB from a defensive perspective,” Pryor said. “They don’t know exactly if I’m gonna run the ball or can I hold onto the ball a little bit and add a little extra time to get a receiver open where I can do a three-step drop and throw the ball in time. I feel like I can extend plays well and I’m so fast and I believe in my speed and I can get around and wait for guys to get open as well.”
How fast does Pryor think he is in comparison to other quarterbacks? He thinks he’s do pretty well in a race against all of them.
“I believe, now don’t take this the wrong way this is just me believing in my speed and power and my legs, I believe I’d be second behind Michael Vick,” Pryor said. “No one else would beat me.”
We have a feeling that a few Redskins fans may have something to say about that.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/terrelle-pryor-is-ready-to-win-over-his-coaches-teammates/
March 6th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
P-man, I’ve received all of your posts.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
PFT been on the Raiders jock lately
March 6th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
1390.RaidO Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
1375.RaidO Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Ohioraider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You people still griping about Palmer are laughable. You should be suspended from this blog for a week just for being obtuse.
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Raiders are NOT going to pay Palmer $13 mil this year. Free agency starts on Tuesday. Palmer said the Raiders have not even contacted him or his agent yet about contract talks. What “griping”?. LOL You fill in the blanks.
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Do you honestly believe that Palmer’s agent and he Raiders have had no contact? Seriously?
I guarantee you there has been conversation. Just because Palmer and the Raiders aren’t acknowledging it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.
This is the Raiders we’re talking about here, and a seasoned veteran. Both parties know how to handle these things and are no doubt deliberately avoiding any press involvement.
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LOL. No point in having secrets about restructuring Palmer’s contract. Not in this situation. Sounds like “Palmer lover” wishful thinking on your part.
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Not wishful thinking, just common sense. The guy is still under contract. We gavc up two high draft choices for him. You expect people to believe that he’s just going to get cut without any effort at all to bring him back at a reduced rate, especially when he says publicly that he WANTS to come back?
Please.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
SO YA PRYOR may be faster then RG3
“Pryor ran a 4.36 in the 40 during his workout for 17 NFL teams Saturday. At 6-foot-5 and 232 pounds, he is similar in height to JaMarcus Russell, the LSU quarterback chosen No. 1 overall by the Raiders in the 2007 draft.
But Pryor is much more mobile. As a junior, Pryor had his best season statistically, throwing for 2,772 yards and 27 touchdowns with 11 interceptions. He also ran for 754 yards and four scores while helping the Buckeyes win the Sugar Bowl.
”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6885024/terrelle-pryor-oakland-raiders-supplemental-draft
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
I saw posts this morning your time, the Alvin Lee post around 2pm, and some posts around 3pm about being booted or whatever it was called. So how were you banned?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
P-man, I’ve received all of your posts.
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This morning? I got curious and went to my better half’s computer and firefoxed Ibabuzz and got this thread , and my comments weren’t there. But they were on my computer.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
If there’s truly going to be open competition can you commit to more than 5 mill for Palmer?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Scourge Says:
I saw posts this morning your time, the Alvin Lee post around 2pm, and some posts around 3pm about being booted or whatever it was called. So how were you banned?
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If you didn’t see about thirty posts from me prior to the Alvin Lee post, then I was blocked.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
1405.KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
If there’s truly going to be open competition can you commit to more than 5 mill for Palmer?
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If I’m the Raiders I sign a younger veteran FA that has played a pretty good amount of snaps in the league. Have your QB competition in camp be a real, genuine competition. If Palmer is beaten out, I give him the option of the teams he wanted me to try and work a deal with. If that didn’t work I’d cut him as soon as possible so that he had a good amount of time to find another team.
Seems to be the most equitable solution, in my mind.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
The Big Banana Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
“We’ll have ourselves a book burning party…they’ll see the smoke for miles…we’ll dance around the flames like wild indians..catch my drift? Or am I being obtuse?”
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Shawshank! A classic and one of my all time favorites.
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I knew someone out there would get it. Good catch.
I’ve seen about a hundred times. Every time TNT has it on I can’t tear myself away.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Would Palmer agree to a serious restructure without being being ” guaranteed” season starter?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Yeah, one thing that not has been brought up much when people on here talk about keeping Palmer is how are those cracked ribs and a bruised lung??
One big hit and he’s out again. It’s time to cut him and move on.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
If there’s truly going to be open competition can you commit to more than 5 mill for Palmer?
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Open competition? What a joke. You have an overall number one, Heisman trophy winner who has led the league in TD’s and completion percentage, going against a guy who should be a Wide Receiver. It would be more of a competition if they threw ME out there.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
*has not
March 6th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
TP getting press on pfw – interesting. and positive as well. Maybe this is the time..
Start him – can’t hurt – we could use some excitement around here.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
I saw posts before that Alvin Lee post. I juts didn’t go back that far.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Unless Palmer can get to the 5-8 mill range – it’s time to move on. Straight pay cut or try to work a deal with the Cards. I’m on board with TP. I think he’s underrated as an NFL QB. Bring in a vet/rook to compete and lets find out what we have.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
P-man, there’s a gap between 2:09-9:46 your time. I would guess you were asleep. Lots of posts since 9:46am.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
One thing about TP – in his entire career. He doesn’t turn the ball over. We need that.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Nhamdi getting released. He needs to come back to the bay and start opposite Huff on the other side. Would be a nice combo.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Terrelle Pryor is ready to win over his coaches, teammates
Posted by Mike Florio on March 6, 2013, 10:46 PM EST
Pryor Getty Images
With Raiders G.M. Reggie McKenzie telling Pro Football Talk at the Scouting Combine that a competition will occur for the starting quarterback job, this means that third-year backup Terrelle Pryor has a shot at winning the gig.
Pryor told Pro Football Talk on Wednesday that he’ll be ready to go if/when he gets the opportunity to start. At this point, though, he’s focused on building credibility within the organization.
“Right now I’m trying to win over my coaches, win over my teammates and everybody in the facility and let them know that I wanna be a leader, a great leader and I’m there for the long haul and I wanna win just as bad as everybody else and that’s what I want to prove to everybody before I really get into talks of starting and stuff like that,” Pryor told Erik Kuselias.
Pryor stopped short of declaring himself to be the best quarterback currently on the roster.
“I don’t really wanna give comparisons or anything like that because Carson [Palmer] does a great job of what he does, and I can also play too and do some things well too,” Pryor said. “So I can’t down talk him because he’s a great QB to me and I just wanna stay on my side of seeing what I have to do to get better every single day and that’s where I’m at right now. “
Still, with the trend toward mobile quarterbacks, Pryor knows he brings the ability to move to the table.
“I feel like I can extend plays and . . . you don’t know what your gonna get from me as a QB from a defensive perspective,” Pryor said. “They don’t know exactly if I’m gonna run the ball or can I hold onto the ball a little bit and add a little extra time to get a receiver open where I can do a three-step drop and throw the ball in time. I feel like I can extend plays well and I’m so fast and I believe in my speed and I can get around and wait for guys to get open as well.”
How fast does Pryor think he is in comparison to other quarterbacks? He thinks he’s do pretty well in a race against all of them.
“I believe, now don’t take this the wrong way this is just me believing in my speed and power and my legs, I believe I’d be second behind Michael Vick,” Pryor said. “No one else would beat me.”
We have a feeling that a few Redskins fans may have something to say about that.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
ooops… sorry for the repost
March 6th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
P_man, if you didn’t see the photo, it’s has a llama sitting on a the hood of a school bus in Virginia.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
PFT
“I believe, now don’t take this the wrong way this is just me believing in my speed and power and my legs, I believe I’d be second behind Michael Vick,” Pryor said. “No one else would beat me.”
We have a feeling that a few Redskins fans may have something to say about that.
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SO YA PRYOR may be faster then RG3
“Pryor ran a 4.36 in the 40 during his workout for 17 NFL teams Saturday. At 6-foot-5 and 232 pounds, he is similar in height to JaMarcus Russell, the LSU quarterback chosen No. 1 overall by the Raiders in the 2007 draft.
But Pryor is much more mobile. As a junior, Pryor had his best season statistically, throwing for 2,772 yards and 27 touchdowns with 11 interceptions. He also ran for 754 yards and four scores while helping the Buckeyes win the Sugar Bowl.
”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6885024/terrelle-pryor-oakland-raiders-supplemental-draft
March 6th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
I guess I missed the Lechler jokes. Please repost.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
One thing about TP – in his entire career. He doesn’t turn the ball over. We need that.
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He turned it over once in his first start and had another two or three easy picks dropped.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
P-man, you could always change your username, perhaps to something like SonOfABeeech.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Dude is breathing down Palmer’s neck, with hot breath……….ew
March 6th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Speaking of our Premier Partier, where is the Beeech tonight?
March 6th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
P-man? You still out there or are you being a llama llmama.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Speaking of our Premier Partier, where is the Beeech tonight?
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Outside, blowing the 17 year old parking valet.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
SO YA PRYOR may be faster then RG3
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Pryor is an exceptional athlete. RGIII is an exceptional person, exceptional athlete and damn good Q. There’s your difference.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
I can’t wait until they actually make some moves.
Anything but the hare-brained speculation in this joint.
But I’m not sure Reggie has any big moves up his sleeve. Other than cutting McClain and Kelly.
Not sure that he’s up to the task of being the top dog. Maybe that’s why the Holmgren rumors floated around.
Reggie may be a guy who needs someone to point him……
March 6th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
PFT
“I believe, now don’t take this the wrong way this is just me believing in my speed and power and my legs, I believe I’d be second behind Michael Vick,” Pryor said. “No one else would beat me.”
We have a feeling that a few Redskins fans may have something to say about that.
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SO YA PRYOR may be faster then RG3
“Pryor ran a 4.36 in the 40 during his workout for 17 NFL teams Saturday. At 6-foot-5 and 232 pounds, he is similar in height to JaMarcus Russell, the LSU quarterback chosen No. 1 overall by the Raiders in the 2007 draft.
But Pryor is much more mobile. As a junior, Pryor had his best season statistically, throwing for 2,772 yards and 27 touchdowns with 11 interceptions. He also ran for 754 yards and four scores while helping the Buckeyes win the Sugar Bowl.
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Before we get too excited about college stats, we would do well to remember that an awful lot of QBs that put up good numbers in college couldn’t do the NFL passing-game thing. Especially those whose mechanics and accuracy were questioned coming out.
Tim Tebow had way better passing stats than Pryor did in college. Not exactly lighting it up in the pros, though.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Seymour, please lighten up. Beeech brings some levity to the blog. It helps even out the nastiness.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Seymour, please lighten up. Beeech brings some levity to the blog. It helps even out the nastiness.
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No seriously, Beech was last seen blowing some kid in the lot out back.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
No use making big moves until you’re ready to get over the hump. The Raiders haven’t approached the hump yet.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Okay, I’ll take your word for it.
March 6th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
March 6th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Tim Tebow had way better passing stats than Pryor did in college. Not exactly lighting it up in the pros, though.
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Seriously, do you have a link?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
1438.KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Tim Tebow had way better passing stats than Pryor did in college. Not exactly lighting it up in the pros, though.
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Seriously, do you have a link?
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I just googled “college stats” for each player this morning. You can go from there to Wiki or wherever.
Tebow was a very good passer at Florida. Most folks are surprised to learn that.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Yeah, I’m surprised.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
I hope we sign Delanie Walker to be our Starting TE!!!! Harbaugh called him a Swiss Army Knife, Ya’ll seen how he blew up ED REED!!! We need more guys like this!!!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Weird, huh? He actually set the NCAA record for passing efficiency there.
Just goes to show what a big jump it really is, I suppose.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
TP way better than Tebow in the NFL – Tebow’s game doesn’t translate he’s too slow. TP fastest QB in the league – Houdini.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
edward teach Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
1438.KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Tim Tebow had way better passing stats than Pryor did in college. Not exactly lighting it up in the pros, though.
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Seriously, do you have a link?
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I just googled “college stats” for each player this morning. You can go from there to Wiki or wherever.
Tebow was a very good passer at Florida. Most folks are surprised to learn that.
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Again, it is a completely different game. College football and pro football are unbelievable different. Jamarcus Russell was an accurate, winning player at LSU but his mechanics were awful, he took too long making decisions and that could not translate to the pro game.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
I hope we sign Delanie Walker to be our Starting TE!!!! Harbaugh called him a Swiss Army Knife, Ya’ll seen how he blew up ED REED!!! We need more guys like this!!!
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Walker good player but I like Ausberry better . Everytime he’s touch the ball he’s done something positive and he’s under contract. Gordon is a great blocking TE. Let Myers walk – sign a late rook/FA to compete we’re good at TE.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Tebow’s delivery is way too slow – TP has an excellent delivery speed wise – just his feet and accuracy arent there.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
1443.CDERaider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
TP way better than Tebow in the NFL – Tebow’s game doesn’t translate he’s too slow. TP fastest QB in the league – Houdini.
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Tebow isn’t playing because he can’t execute an NFL passing offense, not because he’s “slow”.
If Terrelle Pryor can’t execute an NFL passing offense, he won’t be playing either. No matter how fast he can run.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
You’re right. Lol.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Raiders releasing McClain on the 12th, per csn-per SF gate.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Mr. Green, you’re incorrigible!
March 6th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
I guess you could add another smiley before and after.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
I do have to say this, though; there is NOTHING I want more than to see that young man be a force. He really seems to be a solid kid, one that’s matured a little and has taken his profession seriously.
Someone with that kind of speed and athleticism that’s also dangerous in the passing game, and as young as he is…. what Raider fan WOULDN’T want that?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Ed Teach, I was impressed by the SD game. First time I really saw him play. It’s a bit risky cutting Palmer. Although I dont see Palmer taking us anywhere. That’s Reggie’s overall decision.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
ET,
I agree 110% w/ that.
I think there’s a real chance now that Palmer might be cut…or traded…or something other than start for the Raiders in 2013.
These next few weeks/days will be interesting.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
irjonny Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
with the new rebuilding of this team i’m ok with our first pick being in the 2nd round this year. get picks reggie!
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Im not ok with that, we need good players and atleast one impact player on defense in this draft, not a bunch of practice squad players
March 6th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Seymour, please lighten up. Beeech brings some levity to the blog. It helps even out the nastiness.
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Definitely way too much nastiness on here.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
who has a better arm – tebow or tp?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Any body hear about the locust plague goin on in Egypt? Like, right now.
Wonder if the new Pope will be named Peter II.
Does time and space have an edge?
Are Reggie and Allen really banned from IHOP?
March 6th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
IHOP == Reggie
March 6th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
1454.KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Ed Teach, I was impressed by the SD game. First time I really saw him play. It’s a bit risky cutting Palmer. Although I dont see Palmer taking us anywhere. That’s Reggie’s overall decision.
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Yeah, kind of a strange situation. They really have to take a hard look at Pryor, though. He has to get an honest, clear-eyed shot to win the job. I can’t imagine cutting Palmer if he’s proves in camp that he’s better than Pryor for 2013. But, you have his contact to deal with so I suppose there’s no way to tell what’s going to happen. This is not a small part of why I’d like Pryor to absolutely light it up. It makes the decision(s) a lot easier, we get a long-term starter out of the deal and can spend that draft pick or FA dollar on another position of need.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
wow, maybe P-man really got banned. No posts for a while now.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
March 6th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Seymour, please lighten up. Beeech brings some levity to the blog. It helps even out the nastiness.
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dr r aka ian85 are the worst, with mcfadden20 cheer leading a close second.
March 6th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Mr Green Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Does time and space have an edge?
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I dunno the answer, but I can say that the astral plane does have an edge. I’m often there, on patrol, against Evyl Personyfyed.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
*tumbling tumbleweed*
March 6th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Scourge Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
*tumbling tumbleweed*
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I’m a roaming cowboy riding all day long,
Tumbleweeds around me sing their lonely song.
Nights underneath the prairie moon,
I ride along and sing this tune.
See them tumbling down
Pledging their love to the ground
Lonely but free I’ll be found
Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweeds.
Cares of the past are behind
Nowhere to go but I’ll find
Just where the trail will wind
Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweeds.
I know when night has gone
That a new world’s born at dawn.
I’ll keep rolling along
Deep in my heart is a song
Here on the range I belong
Drifting along with the tumbling tumbleweeds.
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) (Sorry. Couldn’t help it.)
March 6th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
I dunno the answer, but I can say that the astral plane does have an edge. I’m often there, on patrol, against Evyl Personyfyed.
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Been there. Done that.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Pryor is an exceptional athlete. RGIII is an exceptional person, exceptional athlete and damn good Q. There’s your difference.
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and Pryor is bigger, faster, and stronger then RG3 and with the proper time could be starter. Pryor is exceptional athlete .. Led highschool to football and basketball state champions.. 2 sport athelte.. just like Rg3 and faster
March 6th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Mr Green Says:
Does time and space have an edge?
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Yes. Visualizing what that edge is cutting into is the fun part.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
I’m tired so I’m gonna sign off. First I’m gonna have a good healthy kell. I hope there isn’t too much to wipe.
You guys have a good evening and I’ll see you tomorrow. G’d night, P-man,
, everyone….
March 6th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Mr P
March 6th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Pryor is an exceptional athlete. RGIII is an exceptional person, exceptional athlete and damn good Q. There’s your difference.
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and Pryor is bigger, faster, and stronger then RG3 and with the proper time could be starter. Pryor is exceptional athlete .
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Chris Johnson is an exceptional athlete too but he is not an NFL QB. Everyone at this level is an exceptional athlete. Terrell Pryor could dominate other kids in high school and college because he was a much better athlete than they were. At this level, he is no better an athlete than anyone else. So, other things have emerge for him to succeed. So far, we haven’t seen those things emerge.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
That outer edge can be sharp. Don’t cut yourself.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
March 6th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
A few things about the quarterback situation:
1. The idea that there’s going to be some kind of open competition at Qb is almost laughable. That was simply paying lip service to the idea of competition at every position. Reggie said the same thing last year. If Palmer is on the roster in a month or two he’s our starting Qb.
2. This doesn’t mean he won’t be cut/traded. Interesting theory posted above reading between the lines about Palmer’s comment of not hearing anything about his future with the Raiders. It’s a real possibility that he gets sent to Arizona or that he gets cut and they draft Geno Smith. Or he gets cut and they bring in a QB like Matt Moore to compete with Pryor. If Reggie does that though he better be dam sure he’s got someone who can play legit QB in 2013. If he takes us back to the days of Walter/Tui/McCown/Culpepper/Campbell type QB play we’ll be worse than 4-12 and fans will be busting up every IHOP in northern California looking to drag his azz out of town.
3. If Palmer does get cut and Pryor subsequently loses out on the starting QB gig to another white QB, a lesser Qb than Palmer, some posters in here will need to be hospitalized. But if Palmer gets cut, I say it’s not much better than 50-50 that Pryor is the starter.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
. So, other things have emerge for him to succeed. So far, we haven’t seen those things emerge.
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What other things have to emerge before Palmer succeeds, in his 9 yr career and 0-2 playoff record?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Lmao palmer wirshipers are lost in a fog of desperation on pins & needles.
Palmer said ” he would love to come back” however he doesn’t say at any price.
Add in the fact that there are no negotiations on the table & this looks troubling for Palmer fans. I’m guessing there have been preliminary talks & the sides are so far apart that Palmer is unwilling to even sit down at the table. He thinks he deserves his 13 mil & 16 next year. The raiders don’t want to cough up that kind of cash for the turn over prone qb that has averaged 4 wins over his last 3 seasons.
This seems like a stalemate & both Palmer & the raiders are preparing to dig in their heels & move on.
Lol so much for all the talk about ” Palmer offering the raiders” or ” holding the cards”
Lol some of you cats are just silly
March 6th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
. So, other things have emerge for him to succeed. So far, we haven’t seen those things emerge.
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What other things have to emerge before Palmer succeeds, in his 9 yr career and 0-2 playoff record?
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Heisman Trophy, led the league in TD’s, took a bad franchise to the playoffs. That beats the hell out of not being able to complete 50% of his passes.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Lmao palmer wirshipers are lost in a fog of desperation on pins & needles.
Palmer said ” he would love to come back” however he doesn’t say at any price.
Add in the fact that there are no negotiations on the table & this looks troubling for Palmer fans.
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Don’t be a moron. Palmer is signed. No one HAS to do anything.
March 6th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
3. If Palmer does get cut and Pryor subsequently loses out on the starting QB gig to another white QB, a lesser Qb than Palmer, some posters in here will need to be hospitalized. But if Palmer gets cut, I say it’s not much better than 50-50 that Pryor is the starter.
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You can make it a racial issue if you want to to satisfy yourself. But, this ain’t racial. NFL.com is racist? Racist in favor of blacks?
March 6th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
. So, other things have emerge for him to succeed. So far, we haven’t seen those things emerge.
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What other things have to emerge before Palmer succeeds, in his 9 yr career and 0-2 playoff record?
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March 6th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
I told everyone on this board back in preseason that I thought Palmer was on a one year try out & he would flop miserably.
Based on the latest news or non news if you will , both of my predictions are looking good. Pakmerflopped4 wins 19 turn overs, and his try out has left big mac & Davis cold.
That is the reason they are telling him take a cut or take a hike
March 6th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Fox Sports report Oakland Raiders to release Rolando Mclain before week’s end ..
THAT’S COOL .. REGGIE WHO’S NEXT??
March 6th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
I told everyone on this board back in preseason that I thought Palmer was on a one year try out & he would flop miserably.
Based on the latest news or non news if you will , both of my predictions are looking good. Pakmerflopped4 wins 19 turn overs, and his try out has left big mac & Davis cold.
That is the reason they are telling him take a cut or take a hike
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This is you sitting in a room imagining things. How has McKenzie told Palmer anything?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Palmer isn’t..
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Now it looks like a Miss Tick post.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Pryor will be released before the start of the season.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Pryor sucks
March 6th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Raiders should try and sign Eric Winston
March 6th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Link?
LINK?
I Got your fricking Link.
Right here, buddy!
Link, my a$$.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
The Raiders biggest competition, their cross town rivals just went to the Super Bowl. The Raiders have been completely irrelevant for a decade. The Raiders HAVE TO become relevant quickly. Putting in a guy who is not an NFL caliber player and cutting an overall number one who has played well for you would be complete and utter suicide and the team knows it.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
ian85 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Raiders should try and sign Eric Winston
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That’s what I would do.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
As I said yesterday PFF has an excellent ongoing series evaluating players performance versus their contracts. Here are some highlights
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3. Darrius Heyward-Bey, Oakland Raiders
2012 Cap Hit: $8.2m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.8m
Value Differential: -$6.4m
Ah, the perils of the old rookie contracts. Heyward-Bey has done little in the past four seasons to live up to his seventh overall draft selection or his $38 million deal. He caught only 53.2% of his targets this season, thanks a 12.77% Drop Rate that was among the highest at his position. Scheduled for a $10.6 million cap hit in 2013, “DHB” will need a huge leap to avoid this list next season.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
1. Shane Lechler, Oakland Raiders
2012 Cap Hit: $4.9m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.3m
Value Differential: -$3.6m
When you make 163% more money than the second-highest paid player at your position, you better be the best without question. Unfortunately for the Raiders, this was nowhere near true for Lechler in 2012, with his 47.2 yards per punt winding up just ninth in the league. He had 24 punts downed inside the 20-yard line compared to nine touchbacks — not a good ratio. While part of that ratio depends on the rest of the special teams, there is no point paying a punter so much if he can’t get any help in this regard.
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#1. And that is not a GOOD number one.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Seymour Bush/Oakglenn
Yes the Raiders have been irrelevant the last 10 yrs. And you Bootlicked every decision along the way.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
And of course, my personal favorite!
2. Darren McFadden
When watching Darren McFadden this season it’s hard to believe he’s the same running back who ran for over 5 yards per carry and 1,157 yards in 2010. He just wasn’t able to break tackles effectively. Out of 48 qualifying running backs, McFadden had the 42nd-best Elusive Rating and the 45th-best average yards after contact. Meanwhile, teammates Mike Goodson and Marcel Reece blew away McFadden’s numbers in every possible aspect when they got their chance. Not the kind of season you want from a guy making almost $10m.
2012 Cap Hit: $9.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.1m
Value Differential: -$8.4m
March 6th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Now I want to take you back to preseason vs the lions. Tp6 put on a show like we have never seen from a qb wearing silver & black.
I said then we finally had our future qb & if he ever saw the field for any meaningful time he would make Palmer expendable in short order.
I wouldn’t call 1start significant time but it certainly made a huge impression on the raider brass.
Take it or leave it Palmer is the order of the day
March 6th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Koolkell isn’t Sanford and Son on? Go watch that old man. It makes more sense than football to you.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
DHB needs to take a big pay cut and hopefully he does i like the kid i think Allen and Knapp used him wrong this season
March 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Walker good player but I like Ausberry better . Everytime he’s touch the ball he’s done something positive and he’s under contract. Gordon is a great blocking TE. Let Myers walk – sign a late rook/FA to compete we’re good at TE.
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Ausberry at TE is pretty useless if he can’t block….we’re going back to gap-block run scheme & Greg Olsen only uses his TE to block…. hence Delanie Walker being a perfect pick up if McKenzie can pull it off…… my bro is SF fan tho and said Walker is asking for too much money smh
March 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Ed Teach, I was impressed by the SD game. First time I really saw him play. It’s a bit risky cutting Palmer. Although I dont see Palmer taking us anywhere. That’s Reggie’s overall decision.
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Now I want to take you back to preseason vs the lions. Tp6 put on a show like we have never seen from a qb wearing silver & black.
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So now you are stooping to using preseason games? Pryor played GREAT against guys that not only aren’t in the league, they never belonged in the league? Oh, boy. This has now descended into madness.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Seymour Bush/Oakglenn
Yes the Raiders have been irrelevant the last 10 yrs. And you Bootlicked every decision along the way.
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
mistic has now completely descended into lunacy. Good night.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Seymour Bush I think Mcfadden will get back to running the rock the way he did in 2010 and 2011 getting back to the power run game will most def serve him well
March 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
Ok, you got these weirdo planes of existence. Friggin’ Paraelemental Plane of Ooze, Mechanis, the Astral Plane, and such. Not really excellent places to adventure without high level magic support, even considering the rehabilitation offered by Planescape.
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Searching for something else entirely and stumbled across this.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
The funniest part is the only people that agree with me are the ones that are in the league, used to be in the league, or break down film for the league. Funny that.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
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For old times.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
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Link?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Just reminding the board of my predictions the clock is ticking on carson & you heard it here first. Can’t wait if it’s this off season or a reduced pay for Palmer keeps him here
Pryor will take his job next year
March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
:;)
March 6th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Mistic can you please tell me how horrible the team around M Vick and Newton was 13-19 or were the the only ones responsible for those losses like Palmer is responsible for every loss ?
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I never made that claim
what do vick and newton have to do with palmer?
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
I’m good, but KK may need verification.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
what up mcfadden
March 6th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Haha someone must have rattled Mistic , the guy is never here after 6-7 but almost12 n still talking about Palmer lmao , I’m loving this , poor loser you’re Mistic hahahaha
March 6th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
ian85 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Seymour Bush I think Mcfadden will get back to running the rock the way he did in 2010 and 2011 getting back to the power run game will most def serve him well
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You had me at “I think” dpsht! I’m still waiting for you to admit that you wrong about the JR news cycle drying up. I know you don’t have much in the brains department, but at least show me you have some integrity. Any day now.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Ian85 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
what up mcfadden
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Just chillin what’s good on this Wednesday night?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
Just reminding the board of my predictions the clock is ticking on carson & you heard it here first. Can’t wait if it’s this off season or a reduced pay for Palmer keeps him here
Pryor will take his job next year
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So, are you in the Anger stage? or Bargaining?
March 6th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Does the Universe have an edge, beyond which there is nothing?
Galaxies extend as far as we can detect… with no sign of diminishing.There is no evidence that the universe has an edge. The part of the universe we can observe from Earth is filled more or less uniformly with galaxies extending in every direction as far as we can see – more than 10 billion light-years, or about 6 billion trillion miles. We know that the galaxies must extend much further than we can see, but we do not know whether the universe is infinite or not. When astronomers sometimes refer (carelessly!) to galaxies “near the edge of the universe,” they are referring only to the edge of the OBSERVABLE universe – i.e., the part we can see.
Are the galaxies arranged on the surface of a sphere?
No. Galaxies are not actually arranged on the surface of a sphere. Many students and teachers mistakenly believe that the galaxies in the universe are arranged on the surface of a sphere. One origin of this misconception is the common demonstration of blowing up a balloon to model the expansion of the universe. Another is the (mistaken) belief that during the Big Bang, matter expanded into space from a point (see below). A third is the finding that many clusters of galaxies appear to be arranged around the outside of “bubble-like” voids in the universe. But on the largest scales that astronomers have observed, each chunk of space appears to have just as much matter as any other equivalent chunk.
Why can’t we see the whole universe?
We can see just about as far as nature allows us to see. Two things prevent us from seeing further. First, the universe has been evolving with time. Stars and galaxies did not always exist. Therefore light from MOST of the galaxies in the universe has not yet had time to reach us. Second, the universe has been expanding with time. Again, light from MOST of the universe has not yet had time to reach us.
If you could suddenly freeze time everywhere in the universe, and magically survey all of creation, you would find galaxies extending out far beyond what we can see today. But how far, no one knows.
Does the term “universe” refer to space, or to the matter in it, or to both?
Just a hundred years ago, scientists thought of the universe in terms of matter. Space was just the “emptiness” in which matter lived.
Today, the situation is reversed. During the twentieth century, scientists learned that space is not “nothingness.” First, Einstein showed that space has structure: It is flexible and can be stretched. (In fact, when astronomers talk about the “expansion of the universe,” they are referring to the stretching of space between clusters of galaxies – NOT to the motion of galaxies through space.) Later, scientists found other properties of space. For example, matter and anti-matter are routinely created in the laboratory from space itself (and an energy source); the kinds of particles that can exist reflect the structure of space. In fact, there is now evidence that space itself MAY possess some slight amount of energy of its own, of a form previously unknown. If so, space may actually have weight!
Discovering the properties of space remains one of the deepest and most important problems in modern science.
Evolution of the Universe
Did the Universe expand from a point? If so, doesn’t the universe have to have an edge?
No. The Big Bang was not an explosion IN space. It was a process that involved ALL of space. This misconception causes more confusion than any other in cosmology. Unfortunately, many students, teachers, and scientists(!) mistakenly picture the “Big Bang” as an explosion that took place at some location in space, hurtling matter outward.
In reality, ALL of space was filled with energy right from the beginning. There was no center to the expansion, and no magical point from which matter hurtled outward. The confusion arises in part because of the amazing conclusion that the OBSERVABLE portion of the universe was once packed into an incredibly tiny volume. But that primordial pellet of matter and energy was NOT surrounded by empty space… it was surrounded by more matter and energy (which today is beyond the region we can observe.) In fact, if the whole universe is infinitely large now, then it was always infinite, including during the Big Bang as well.
To put it another way, the current evidence indicates only that the early universe – the WHOLE universe – was extremely DENSE – but not necessarily extremely small. Thus the Big Bang took place everywhere in space, not at a particular point in space.
Then where did the idea that the universe was once a point come from?
For much of the twentieth century, astronomers and physicists believed that space might NOT be infinitely large – that is, space might actually curve around on itself to form a “closed universe.” This unusual three-dimensional shape was discovered in the mid-1800’s by the great mathematician Bernhard Riemann. The shape was later favored by Einstein as a possible shape for the universe. Such a closed universe would have a finite volume, yet no boundaries or edges. Although closed universes cannot be visualized from the outside, they CAN be visualized from the inside. For example, the image at right gives an idea of what a tiny closed universe might look like. (In a real closed universe, you cannot see the back of your head, the way you can here.) If you shrink such a space down, then everything in it gets closer together, and the volume of the closed universe gets closer and closer to zero. But there is still nowhere OUTSIDE the space for an observer.
Current evidence shows that our part of the universe appears not to be curved. This tells us that either the universe is infinitely large, or else is so large that we cannot detect its curvature from the tiny portion we can observe — just as we could not tell that the Earth was curved if our measurements were confined to a sandbox!
If the universe started out so dense, why didn’t it collapse into a black hole?
A large enough clump of matter will collapse to form a black hole, but ONLY if it is surrounded by (relatively) empty space. During the Big Bang, there WAS NO empty space: ALL of space was filled more or less uniformly with matter and energy; there was no “center of attraction” around which matter could coalesce. Under these circumstances, a cosmic-scale black hole will not form (and lucky for us!).
Why does looking out in space mean looking back in time?
Because it takes time for light from distant objects to reach us. We see the sun as it looked about 8 minutes ago… other stars as they looked years ago… and distant galaxies as they looked millions or even billions of years ago.
I’ve heard the expansion of the universe may be speeding up. Is there an “anti-gravity” force?
Current studies of distant exploding stars have led astronomers to conclude that the universe is not only expanding – the expansion may be accelerating with time. This is not due to an “anti-gravity force” but rather to gravity itself. In fact, the effect was predicted as a possibility on the basis of Einstein’s theory of gravity.
(It may seem strange that gravity can be “repulsive” as well as attractive. The secret is that the expansion applies to the fabric of space itself – not to the matter within it; space behaves very differently from matter. For example, no chunk of matter can travel through space at the speed of light. Yet SPACE itself can expand faster than the speed of light. Similarly, while matter is attracted to other matter by gravity, space behaves differently: Space can either expand or contract as a consequence of gravity.)
When they say “the universe is expanding,” what exactly is expanding?
As bizarre as it may seem, space itself is expanding – specifically, the vast regions of space between galaxies.
But if you can’t see space, or feel it or touch it – how can it be expanding?
According to Einstein, space is not simply emptiness; it’s a real, stretchable, flexible thing. In fact, understanding the properties and behavior of space is a major goal of modern physics.
Why did anyone ever think that space should be expanding? Isn’t it a far-fetched idea?
The notion that space is expanding is a prediction of Einstein’s theory of gravity, which describes a simple but universal relationship between space, time, and matter. But it was a prediction that Einstein didn’t believe; in fact, he tried to modify his theory to get rid of it.
Then how do we know that space really is expanding?
In the late 1920’s, the astronomer Edwin Hubble first observed that distant galaxies are moving away from us, just as would be expected if the space between galaxies were growing in volume – and just as predicted by Einstein’s theory of gravity. Since then, astronomers have measured this recession for millions of galaxies. But there’s other evidence as well.
Are the galaxies in the universe moving through space?
No, the galaxies sit more or less passively in the space around them. As the space between galaxies expands, it carries the galaxies further apart – like raisins in an expanding dough.
But I heard that our Milky Way galaxy may one day collide with a neighboring galaxy. If galaxies are all moving apart from each other, how can they collide?
The universe is a chaotic place – and the gravity from one galaxy, or from a group of galaxies, may disturb the motion of its near neighbors, causing them to collide. However, on average, when you compare two large enough chunks of space, the galaxies in one are moving away from the galaxies in the other.
Where did the Big Bang scenario come from?
If space (and everything with it) is expanding now, then the universe must have been much denser in the past. That is, all the matter and energy (such as light) that we observe in the universe would have been compressed into a much smaller space in the past. Einstein’s theory of gravity enables us to run the “movie” of the universe backwards – i.e., to calculate the density that the universe must have had in the past. The result: any chunk of the universe we can observe – no matter how large – must have expanded from an infinitesimally small volume of space.
How do we know when the Big Bang took place?
By determining how fast the universe is expanding now, and then “running the movie of the universe” backwards in time, using Einstein’s theory of gravity. The result is that space started expanding about 15 billion years ago, give or take a few billion years. This number is uncertain, in part because of uncertainties in our current measurements of how fast the universe is expanding, how much matter and energy there is, and even what kind of energy there is in the universe.
Do we know where, in space, the Big Bang took place?
It’s a common misconception that the Big Bang was an “explosion” that took place somewhere in space. But the Big Bang was an expansion of space itself. Every part of space participated in it. For example, the part of space occupied by the Earth, the Sun, and our Milky Way galaxy was once, during the Big Bang, incredibly hot and dense. The same holds true of every other part of the universe we can see.
Artists may find it more dramatic to draw a “fireball” expanding into space, but as far as we know, there would have been no such “ball.”
How do we know there really was a Big Bang?
As mentioned above, we observe that galaxies are rushing apart in just the way predicted by the Big Bang scenario. But there are other important clues.
Astronomers have detected, throughout the universe, two chemical elements that could only have been created during the Big Bang: hydrogen and helium. Furthermore, these elements are observed in just the proportions (roughly 75% hydrogen, 25% helium) predicted to have been produced during the Big Bang. This prediction is based on our well-established understanding of nuclear reactions – independent of Einstein’s theory of gravity.
Second, we can actually detect the light left over from the era of the Big Bang. The blinding light that was present in our region of space has long since traveled off to the far reaches of the universe. But light from distant parts of the universe is just now arriving here at Earth, billions of years after the Big Bang. This light is observed to have all the characteristics expected from the Big Bang scenario and from our understanding of heat and light.
But I’ve heard on the news there are problems with the Big Bang theory. Is it still just a “theory”?
The Big Bang is actually not a “theory” at all, but rather a scenario about the early moments of our universe, for which the evidence is overwhelming. But the Big Bang scenario cannot be the whole story, and its details are a subject of intense research.
Was the Big Bang the origin of the universe?
It is a common misconception that the Big Bang was the origin of the universe. In reality, the Big Bang scenario is completely silent about how the universe came into existence in the first place. In fact, the closer we look to time “zero,” the less certain we are about what actually happened, because our current description of physical laws do not yet apply to such extremes of nature.
The Big Bang scenario simply assumes that space, time, and energy already existed. But it tells us nothing about where they came from – or why the universe was born hot and dense to begin with.
Are there theories that go beyond the Big Bang?
Yes, there are theories that build on the Big Bang scenario by adding insights from physics about the structure of space itself. Watch this space for more details.
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/faq.htm#s1
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Glad I could be of some help.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Even Raiderdebo is here , jahaha. Lol I’m loving this
March 6th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
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March 6th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
Would I have read you’re entire post if I was high
March 6th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Nothing much what do u think about Eric Winston being released by KC i would like to have him at RT for us
March 6th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
HAHAHA Debo u talking about brians is hilarious ur the same guy who thinks that fat whale should replace Brady ur the biggest fcking dumbass on this blog not to mention everyone thinks ur a clown
March 6th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
to the edge of the OBSERVABLE universe
Did the Universe expand from a point? If so, doesn’t the universe have to have an edge?
No. The Big Bang was not an explosion IN space. It was a process that involved ALL of space. This misconception causes more confusion than any other in cosmology. Unfortunately, many students, teachers, and scientists(!) mistakenly picture the “Big Bang” as an explosion that took place at some location in space, hurtling matter outward.
Only applies in our local universe.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Debo when that fat slob signs with somebody i will admit ur right until then ur not worth the charmin toilet paper i wipe my ass with
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Uh-Oh
Hater times’a comin on.
I’m out.
Peace Y’all.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Not you Mr P
The supreme hate artist is a turn off.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Winston is big upgrade over Walker but he will command no less than 5-6 M doubt we can dole out that much for a RT, when our biggest need is pass rusher, MLB, FS and WR
March 6th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
Would I have read you’re entire post if I was high
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I did. But I subscribe to ASTRONOMY magazine and so nothing there was even new. Typical of Harvard,though.
and I worked at the HEP lab at cal-tech.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Winston is big upgrade over Walker but he will command no less than 5-6 M doubt we can dole out that much for a RT, when our biggest need is pass rusher, MLB, FS and WR
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U could add every position on defense as a need lol
March 6th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
We have NO CB’s NO LB’s NO DT’s NO RT NO LG NO RDE and you guys are talking QB .
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
We have NO team. Getting rid of Palmer is not going to help, unless we get some good picks for him or can free up enough money by cutting him or restructuring his deal to get 3 starters.
March 6th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
BabySlash Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
We have NO team. Getting rid of Palmer is not going to help, unless we get some good picks for him or can free up enough money by cutting him or restructuring his deal to get 3 starters.
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Exactly this team sucks Palmer is the least of our worries
March 6th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Many of you guys have been doing this crap for years – touting some athletic phenom who is going to step in from nowhere and deliver. Never happens.
March 7th, 2013 at 12:01 am
BabySlash Says:
Getting rid of Palmer is not going to help, unless we get some good picks for him or can free up enough money by cutting him or restructuring his deal to get 3 starters.
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I think Babyslash is onto something here. I say we restructure Palmer’s deal to get 3 starters.
Works for me.
March 7th, 2013 at 12:05 am
From twitter TODAY
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Follow my QB coaches @TrainLikeAPro06 @steveclarkson !
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The real question people should be asking today is why is Terrelle Pryor hiring individual QB coaches when Mark Davis is paying Raider employees to do the same thing?
Safe to say our coaches aren’t doing what they are PAID to DO…..
I guess John DeFilippo & Greg Olson are working on their golf games…
Figures
March 7th, 2013 at 12:07 am
Then I have to listen to garbage about how big a deal it is that TP is working out with 4 WR’s. considering that he has a lot to prove and the starter is nursing broken ribs he is the defacto starter. All those WR’s sucked last year and TP is a professional football player who needs to learn how to throw. If you were him or the garbage WR crew wouldn’t you be out there ? It would be a given for me! It doesn’t display great leadership. It’s just basic unless you are a purple drank fiend.
March 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am
Many QB’s including P. Manning have offseason private coaches. It’s because the real coaches can’t work with the players now. It’s called being serious
March 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am
BabySlash Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
We have NO team. Getting rid of Palmer is not going to help
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Not gonna hurt either. Kyle Bolller could get off the couch tomorrow and get us 4 wins. Cut Palmer now!
March 7th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Any player who does more than the basic minimum is a hero for you guys. Exactly why we suck
March 7th, 2013 at 12:14 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am
BabySlash Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
We have NO team. Getting rid of Palmer is not going to help
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Not gonna hurt either. Kyle Bolller could get off the couch tomorrow and get us 4 wins. Cut Palmer now!
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Debo u r should a dumbsch!t
March 7th, 2013 at 12:14 am
ian85 Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Debo when that fat slob signs with somebody i will admit ur right until then ur not worth the charmin toilet paper i wipe my ass with
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What a fkin welcher! JaMarcus has more integrity in his pinkie than you’ll ever have.
March 7th, 2013 at 12:14 am
such*
March 7th, 2013 at 12:14 am
Debo u must be Jamarcus
March 7th, 2013 at 12:15 am
Russell is 300 lbs man get over it
March 7th, 2013 at 12:18 am
Im out can’t wait to see what Debo has to say tomorrow about his fat pathetic hero it should be classic
March 7th, 2013 at 12:20 am
BabySlash Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 12:10 am
Many QB’s including P. Manning have offseason private coaches. It’s because the real coaches can’t work with the players now. It’s called being serious
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That’s true, many QB’s do have off season private tutors…but they normally are former college coaches who they have known for years….case in point…Peyton Manning working with David Cutcliffe forever…
The difference is, TP is hiring guys because he obviously hasn’t been taken seriously by his own staff….
You would think Coach Flip would have given him some drills to improve his game….obviously TP doesn’t have anyone in his corner helping him….so he has been relegated to hiring a so-called expert…
My point is….the Raider coaches have no intention of helping improve Terrelle Pryor….and TP knows it…
This is why he is doing interview trying to get the support of the organization.
Should he start over Carson Palmer? At this point….no way.
Should he be involved in gameplan’s and be given quality coaching? Most definitely yes….and he isn’t….he is being ignored.
http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/05/05/12/Cutcliffe-mentor-for-life-to-Peyton-Eli-/landing_acc.html?blockID=724056
March 7th, 2013 at 12:20 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/terrelle-pryor-is-ready-to-win-over-his-coaches-teammates/
March 7th, 2013 at 12:28 am
The FOOTBALL SIDE of the RAIDER ORGANIZATION is a COMPLETE JOKE….
We have no leadership at ALL.
Reggie McKenzie was hired at the recommendation of Ron Wolf, who only wanted Reggie to leave GREEN BAY so his son could take Reggie’s job.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1173421-green-bay-packers-another-promotion-coming-for-eliot-wolf
March 7th, 2013 at 12:29 am
Debo is butt of every joke, just like Jamarcus was
March 7th, 2013 at 12:33 am
If McKenzie was such a valuable employee then why would the Packers let him go….unless they really wanted to replace him and set up another team to take the fall….
Talent evaluator my ass…
We were bluffed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggFaIAWZL-E
March 7th, 2013 at 12:40 am
Ron Wolfe tricked Madden into buying into the little fiasco and here we are…..
Madden in his old age has even lost his mind….saying Dennis Allen didn’t have the players to compete last season…all Madden is doing is trying to cover his own ass…
The whole organization is LOST!
The only one who can do anything about it is MARK DAVIS….but that would require Mark to THINK FOR HIMSELF and not listen to the SNAKE pit…
I guess we will have to wait and see….
BUT THESE ARE THE FACTS UP TIL NOW.
I rest my case!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM
The fact that Wolf needed Madden to endorse RM
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Madden needed Wolf to endorse RM tells you everything you need to KNOW…
Why would either of these men need to piggy back one another?
March 7th, 2013 at 12:41 am
And that’s why I’m Back Stage at a Puppet Show!
March 7th, 2013 at 12:54 am
And that’s why I’m Back Stage at a Puppet Show!
Yes. Yes you are. And holding down that position admirably.
March 7th, 2013 at 12:57 am
Dear Reggie,
This one is for you my friend!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVPCT1VjySA
March 7th, 2013 at 1:06 am
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March 7th, 2013 at 1:08 am
http://ametia.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/us-toilet-paper-money.jpg?w=370
March 7th, 2013 at 1:09 am
That’s me having a good healthy kell.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:10 am
Can’t sleep.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:10 am
1562 + 1563 are unrelated.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:11 am
P-man, you still have those Lechler jokes? I need a good laugh…..
March 7th, 2013 at 1:15 am
I won’t do Dutch the disservice of mis quoting so I’ll go look…
March 7th, 2013 at 1:18 am
tailgater Says:
Lechler wants out. He was pulled aside by veterans on the team many times last year about having bad attitude during practice. he is done with Oakland, to much partying by players and not enough team.
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DutchRaider77 Says:
True, I heard McClain was a boyscout and then he started hanging out with Lechler…
Did you hear Lechler just took a vacation in Florida? Took Desmond Bryant out for a few drinks…
March 7th, 2013 at 1:19 am
P-man, don’t worry about it. I didn’t mean for you to go searching. I just thought mebbe you had them handy or knew which of the stories (date) contained them.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:20 am
Scourge Says:
1562 + 1563 are unrelated.
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I would hope so.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:20 am
So how did you go from Cal Tech brain boy to llama llmama?
March 7th, 2013 at 1:22 am
Thanks for the repost, Mr.P.!
March 7th, 2013 at 1:25 am
No offense Scourge, but I’m also not sleeping and not doing much else.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:28 am
Why would I be offended?
March 7th, 2013 at 1:31 am
I know you can’t sleep because of the notoriety you now have as a result of being kicked off the blog (w/o being really kicked off). It must be something to be one of the select few. Something to tell the kids (and the llittle llamas) about.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:32 am
So how does “administrative leave” manifest itself in your case?
March 7th, 2013 at 1:37 am
I’m actually an acceptable vet tech, parasitologist,and wound treater(EMT) now, but I was a tech science geek when younger and if you know those 10 meter radio antennas in Owens valley(Cal/Nev) I was one of two guys that actually put them together at cal tech.
How did I get here from there? Aint life interesting?
March 7th, 2013 at 1:39 am
I’m on administrative leave right now, subject to change at any birthing moment.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:41 am
Didn’t know about the radio antennas. Googled them though just now. They like that array in “Contact”? Are you a physicist by training/education?
March 7th, 2013 at 1:50 am
Y’know, pretty soon some people around here will be believing that Pryor can catch his own passes for a TD!
March 7th, 2013 at 1:54 am
Laymans interest in nuclear and astro physics, sci fi kid, back in the sixties, entered college as an EE major ’cause that was where there was an opening,always hardware oriented not biological at all, and now I can look at a gushing wound and not panic, but instead know what to do calmly and efficiently. Plus the whole neo-natal care thing. After twenty years, you’re bound to pick a few things up.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:57 am
You go beyond undergrad school? If I might ask.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:57 am
March 7th, 2013 at 1:58 am
Scourge Says:
Y’know, pretty soon some people around here will be believing that Pryor can catch his own passes for a TD!
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The way he floats them, why not?
I kid. I do think Pryor will get there. I do not think he is there yet.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:58 am
hey, it worked!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:00 am
Yeah, I think Pryor will be alright. Needs more time and seasoning. Don’t think he’ll be the starter this season though, CP or no CP.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:02 am
I learned all I know about the universe reading Thor and Silver Surfer comics. At least all the important stuff.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:03 am
“Stand thy ground, Vile One, as I wouldst smite thee!”
March 7th, 2013 at 2:04 am
Important American literature.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:13 am
Scourge Says
You go beyond undergrad school? If I might ask.
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Don’t mind at all. No, I didn’t. A couple years at Pasadena City College, a couple more at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo and a year plus at cal-tech adds up to a little less than a 4 year official degree. They are all official transcripts though. And cal tech students were taking the same laser class at PCC because it was the best at the time, believe it or not.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:19 am
Piss off any of the PhD’s because you’d didn’t have that piece of paper yet were putting their toys together for them?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:22 am
DirecTV Could Possibly Pull NFL Sunday Ticket Package from Its Service
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March 7th, 2013 at 2:23 am
I learned all I know about the universe reading Thor and Silver Surfer comics. At least all the important stuff.
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I’m so old, I thought they made up the silver surfer stuff for Denzell. Anybody remember him in ‘Chicago Hope’?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:27 am
P-man, you see that llama photo I mentioned earlier?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:28 am
Nah, I don’t remember him. Are you like retirement age there, P-man?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 am
Scourge Says:
Piss off any of the PhD’s because you’d didn’t have that piece of paper yet were putting their toys together for them?
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I worked for a think tank called Tetra Tech in my teens and early twenties and that was where the phd’s that produced were seperated from those that didn’t. Not fast enough, as usual.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:30 am
My older brother turned me on to comic books when I was in elementary school. It actually helped me learn how to read (at least better than I was learning at the time).
March 7th, 2013 at 2:33 am
Scourge Says:
Nah, I don’t remember him. Are you like retirement age there, P-man?
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Wasn’t that Denzell Washngton in Chicago Hope with the big afro and very young?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:33 am
So what you’re telling me is that your understanding of the stuff they were working/work on is more like someone who might have the advanced degrees?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 am
I honestly don’t remember much about Chicago Hope at all. Nuthin’ actually. :~(
March 7th, 2013 at 2:39 am
Scourge Says:
My older brother turned me on to comic books when I was in elementary school. It actually helped me learn how to read (at least better than I was learning at the time).
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I went to the Netherlands when I was young and Alex spoke very good English. At least compared to his freinds. Said he learned it listening to rock and roll and reading the liner notes.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:40 am
http://www.centredaily.com/2013/03/05/3526270/ihop-coming-to-south-atherton.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop
WOO-HOO
March 7th, 2013 at 2:47 am
Scourge Says:
So what you’re telling me is that your understanding of the stuff they were working/work on is more like someone who might have the advanced degrees?
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No. Don’t quite understand the question but smart people doing what they’re good at are a joy to be around and if and when you’re lucky enough to be there when it happens jump in and soak up what you can.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:51 am
WOO-HOO
my azz. He’s mine, I tell ya, all mine.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:52 am
Reggie getting some love.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:58 am
So you have a masters/doctoral degree level understanding of what they were working on w/o the pieces of paper?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:10 am
Scourge Says:
So you have a masters/doctoral degree level understanding of what they were working on w/o the pieces of paper?
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He11 no! I can manipulate data and numbers to calculus 1 levels ok, but the gifted ones do that on their pinkies and move on.It’s disgusting at times.
Are there dimbulbs with phd’s? Yes. There are scary bright men and women out there, also.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:14 am
In other words, you’re a really smart guy who can follow their discussions?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:15 am
I could never get calculus for the life of me! No matter how hard I tried. No a scientific guy.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:19 am
I’ll be siting in the earth and mineral sciences library working on my personality disorder material and the youngins are looking at advanced calculus texts, etc. Makes me feel stupid. I could never understand that stuff. Closest I can to any mathematical interest was regression analysis. But only in passing.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:20 am
*sitting
March 7th, 2013 at 3:23 am
I retook the first calculus course because I didn’t feel like I had gotten it. Even thoughI had an easy passing grade of c,c+. Should have just stayed with it, ‘cuz after the next two courses it all ties together.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:26 am
Scourge Says:
In other words, you’re a really smart guy who can follow their discussions?
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I’m old enough to appreciate how much I don’t know.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:29 am
Okay, I will no longer press. I’ll assume my last observation is correct.
I think I’m starting to get sleepy.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:33 am
I wish I had been a better student as an undergrad. I didn’t study as much as I could have. I was more interested in the extracurricular stuff. I did enjoy the upper-level classes in my major though. Those I did study for. I could have done a lot better if I had not become involved in student activities/organizations. But you learn stuff doing that that you don’t learn in the classroom.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:35 am
By the way, what is a Purvisman?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:39 am
By the way, what is a Purvisman?
Seriously?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 am
Yeah, I dunno.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 am
Don’t tell me it’s your last name?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:46 am
Hell, I asked Drexel what a drexel was?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:49 am
Like you say, we are going to cut McClain. You know it. I know it. Maybe not till June 1st but it’s gonna happen. Now add in Seymour’s dead money and the others and that’s $17.5 mill right there. Palmer + Kelly + Heyward Bey + McClain + Seymour + others and we are operating at somewhere below even last years live cap number. That’s pretty bleak!
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@G123
the “dead money” from chopping those 4 (I exclude Seymour because he’s already gone) would be about $32 million – no small chunk of change.
However, we would still save about $12 million total. Even more this year if we can spread some of those cap hits to next year
I’m almost thinking that you take your medicine all at once, as JFB suggests, so that next year we can start making some noise in free agency – when DMAC’s contract also comes off the books
March 7th, 2013 at 3:53 am
My name should be;
Purvisman/Intrepid/Full Disclosure/Eternal Optimist/Golden Haired Hero/CultofPalmer/Chicken’Waffles/Pootbutt
and I don’t know what else.
Did I confuse anybody? I doubt it. Was I cross posting to back myself up? Never.
Did I engage myself in conversations? Never.
Can I post with all those names,even /ed? No.
So, I am ‘ Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist’.
And DJJohnny got me to replace Full Disclosure with Eternal Optimist.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:55 am
Scourge Says:
Hell, I asked Drexel what a drexel was?
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Whats a Drex’l?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:57 am
Well, I understood all that and the full disclosure thing. I just didn’t know if Purvisman had any special meaning.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 am
So I’m a dumb*ss?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 am
Something that had to do with some play or movie or something, I forget.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 am
Good morning, RR. I’m awake because I’ve taken to looking at llama butts lately.
You must be East coast. Yes?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:01 am
It would be difficult for Reggie to field a team without spreading those 2 of those cap hits to next season, probably McClain & Palmer’s.
difficult – but not impossible.
It’s like you said “I think Reggie is likely to sit out days 1, 2 and 3 of free agency. Then go dumpster diving for bargains.” G123
I don’t want to hear about being cap strapped next year at this time. I want Reggie to have plenty of cap wiggle room plus he’ll have all his draft picks
Not only does McFadden come off the books – Seabass, Condo, Ford & Tollefson will be UFA’s too!
March 7th, 2013 at 4:02 am
I’m sure RR knew that was me.
He11, he inspired the name.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:02 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
Since we’re on the subject ‘Mitchell could return in 2013′ wasn’t he the reason we no longer have Stevie Brown on our roster?
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/09/04/did-brown-get-cut-to-save-mitchell/
He established the Giants franchise single-season (8) interception return yards record (307) as a member of the 2012 Giants.
SMH….
March 7th, 2013 at 4:03 am
RR, morning. I can turn the Keep-Purvisman-Awake shift over to you as I’m ready for some serious Odinsleep.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:04 am
good morning Purv, bored?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 am
Sorry Scourge, I must have misuderstood.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 am
P-man, I’ll catch ya on the flip side. Hope you don’t have to shovel too much llama kell today.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:06 am
No. Scourge was kind enough to talk to me.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:10 am
ray, I don’t understand why Mitch & Brown couldn’t have both stayed … if Grandpa Davis was so hellbent on #34 making the roster
March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 am
It does seem we let a few very serviceable D backs go that wouldn’t have cost much.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:17 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:06 am
No. Scourge was kind enough to talk to me.
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The pleasure was mine.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:19 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:10 am
ray, I don’t understand why Mitch & Brown couldn’t have both stayed … if Grandpa Davis was so hellbent on #34 making the roster
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On one hand you got a 2nd rounder, on the other you got a 7th, who do you keep if you need to cut one?
It wasn’t the coaches decision to cut Brown (they wanted to keep him) it was the old man from above who made the executive decision.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:36 am
You guys in the Bay Area hear that story about a High School Football Coach who was riding his bike home after a practice?
He had turned to wave at a student outside the football grounds when he crashed into a partially open car-park barrier, stabbing him in his stomach…and later died?
March 7th, 2013 at 5:07 am
I don’t want to hear about being cap strapped next year at this time. I want Reggie to have plenty of cap wiggle room plus he’ll have all his draft picks
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You won’t have to hear about it. It’s been estimated that we’ll be around 50 million under the cap next year.
I’m sure Reggie will be relieved to know that he will have met your expectations in that regard.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:09 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 6th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
ESPN Ed Werners who is a legit sports journalist was just on 95.7 the game.
They asked him about Palmer and word around the combine and his sources says its likely PALMER will not be with RAIDERS next year.. HIGHLY likely.
Word is Reggie is ready to turn over this season to TERRELLE PRYOR.. reggie has already told OC once league starts in March 12 or whatver to get him ready.
Geno is still slight possibility but smokescreen more then anything
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I said this just the other day on here. It’s too obvious. Pryor is going hard with key members of the offense, Palmer is nowhere to be seen. In itself, that’s directive to get Pryor primed and Palmer kept in wool and restructured to be traded.
Reggie will draft a QB in the 3rd or so round — Tyler Bray or someone expected to go around the third round like that.
He’ll trade down once, twice, maybe even three if he can do it. It’s all about fixing the cap, getting rid of vets with limited future (seymour, kelly, palmer) and getting by on the cheap for another year or two, and hoping some drafted players become something.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:20 am
It’s all about fixing the cap, getting rid of vets with limited future (seymour, kelly, palmer) and getting by on the cheap for another year or two, and hoping some drafted players become something.
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That’s what it’s been about since he got here. He slashed 30 million from the cap last year and tried to get by as best he could with the limited resources he had left. He got crucified for it. Now folks are suggesting that it’s what he should be doing, lol.
Welcome to the party.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:27 am
What’s funny to me is that, once he gets the house in order and we have flexibility to go out and get better players and still be sound financially, I guarantee you that there will be people saying things along the lines of “well, it’s about time he figured it out”.
Thing is, he’s had it figured out from the beginning. It’s just going to take some people a little longer to realize it.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:35 am
I highly doubt they “turn the keys over” to Pryor.
All this talk of competition at every position, and then just give the most important job of all of sports, starting QB, to a guy with one meaningless start?
Not happening.
Cut Palmer, draft Geno, let them battle it out in camp and preseason.