Report: Raiders meeting with veteran DL
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, March 5th, 2013 at 11:29 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders reportedly are about to jump in the mix for the services of veteran defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins, which makes sense given Jenkins’ connection to Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie.
Jenkins was released by the Philadelphia Eagles last month rather than pay him a $5 million roster bonus. Ever since, Jenkins has been a hot commodity among teams interested in adding a versatile lineman.
Jenkins, 32, already has visited the New York Giants. He also has visits lined up with the Seattle Seahawks and 49ers, with the Raiders on the radar for Wednesday, according to NFL.com.
The Raiders figure to be in the market for at least one player capable of playing inside on the defensive line, with the departure of Richard Seymour, Desmond Bryant a prospective free agent and Tommy Kelly a potential salary cap casualty.
Jenkins played for the Packers from 2004-10 when McKenzie was part of that team’s front office. He bolted for the Eagles in 2011 and started all 32 games the past two seasons.
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March 5th, 2013 at 11:30 am
#1 !!!
March 5th, 2013 at 11:31 am
doubt they can afford the guy.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:33 am
P.U
pass old and under performing,
I would rather spend the same amount on a younger player
March 5th, 2013 at 11:35 am
veteran DL are valuable. takes good experience.
if we can grab him and Dorsey to replace Rich and TK … then i’m a happy guy.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:37 am
RaiderDebo Says:
A bad day indeed. JaMarcus was especially pissed. Crabtree and Vollmer would’ve been nice.
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I remember that. He threw his drank 70 yards from a prone position.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:38 am
This reminds me of the excitement we all felt around signing Tollefson. yawn.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:38 am
Jenkins would be a nice pickup make it happen MUMBLES
March 5th, 2013 at 11:39 am
hey Reggie,
who needs Cullen Jenkins when you’ve got Tollefson, Crawford & Bilukidi?
LOL. j/k
March 5th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Look at teams pursuing him , NYG , Seattle and SF so def he has some value , or teams known for their Defense wouldn’t look at him
March 5th, 2013 at 11:40 am
@ RRS, I believe Wallace will get paid. Isn’t Harvin a RFA? And Greg Jennings will not be making top 3 WR money. Not pushing 30 and missing 11 of his last 22 games. He’ll be humbled.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:41 am
lefty12 Says:
447-he doesn’t have a monopoly on hating the Raiders on here.There is plenty and they all claim to be these great fans with names that include Raiders or Al.
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I’ve noticed that. I was trying to keep them straight ’till I realized it wasn’t neccessary.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:41 am
yea fat chance we get him right BigMac?
go after Dorsey and Sopaga! they can be had for a better price.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:42 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:32 am
DBowe is the league’s 3rd highest paid WR now, just under Megatron & Fitz.
Mike Wallace, Percy Harvin & Greg Jennings are all going to cash in this week too
Funny, weren’t we bragging about Stan Routt shutting this guy down a time or two?
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Maybe, but he sure put some beatdowns on Nnamdi.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:42 am
I think BigMac is 5-for-5 so far this offseason
1. Seymour contract voided (good)
2. Brisiel paycut (good)
3. Myers can test the waters in FA (good)
4. Knapp fired
5. Palmer has to compete for the starting job, if he’s even on the team. He will not be back at his current salary
I’m still waiting to see Reggie swallow his pride and do something about Ty Branch’s contract. That was an UGLY rookie mistake
March 5th, 2013 at 11:43 am
He is better than Kelly and cheaper too why not? the savings total for dumping Kelly and signing Jenkins could be about 2mill.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Say no to players coming from good Ds , they know who to retain n who not to , if sopaga or Dorsey are available then don’t go for them
March 5th, 2013 at 11:44 am
he sure put some beatdowns on Nnamdi
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Bowe beat 21 & 26 about 25% of the games he ever played against us
March 5th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Palmer, DHB & Kelly aren’t the only ones with “out of whack” contracts..
Huff, Branch & McClain join them
DMAC (contract year) counts almost $10 million towards the cap this year too
Looking at his injury history, that’s over $1 mil per game!!
March 5th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Tyvon branch is a solid player who is average against pass but good against run, to prove his worth, lets get. two great pass rushers, Qb’s won’t have enough time to wait for their receivers to beat TB
March 5th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Sounds like a band-Aid. Seymour/Sapp-3.0
We need to get young on the D-line. Sign Bryant back, draft a DT. SooNasty should be easy to keep if we want him. Bam… Young D-line.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Say no to players coming from good Ds , they know who to retain n who not to , if sopaga or Dorsey are available then don’t go for them
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agreed. the good defense hoard their playmakers and know when to shove worn outs out to pasture for bottom feeders to scoop up off the waiver wire. They are out there exposed for a reason. The bargain bin is cheap for a reason.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Sopaga makes Bowman and Willis better behind him. he gobbles up two blockers and plugs holes, constantly.
Dorsey is from a good D?
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
He is not a leader and was part of one of the worst defenses in football last year. he was brought in to pressure the qb, but didnt ,and wasnt very good against the run.
Ill pass. I think if your going free agent tackle then melton or starks would be better
March 5th, 2013 at 11:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:42 am
I think BigMac is 5-for-5 so far this offseason
1. Seymour contract voided (good)
2. Brisiel paycut (good)
3. Myers can test the waters in FA (good)
4. Knapp fired
5. Palmer has to compete for the starting job, if he’s even on the team. He will not be back at his current salary
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i agree with this
March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
He is not a leader and was part of one of the worst defenses in football last year. he was brought in to pressure the qb, but didnt ,and wasnt very good against the run.
Ill pass. I think if your going free agent tackle then melton or starks would be better
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I wouldn’t mind a one-year “prove it” deal.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 am
We need to build thru the draft. Rookie deals are dirt cheap and offer as much production as these ‘mild free agent’ splashes. Instead, hoard the cash and pay one impact guy.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:50 am
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March 5th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Tyvon branch is a solid player who is average against pass but good against run
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M20,
TB is AWFUL versus the pass and average versus the run. good blitzer though. good special teamer. good teammate and he tries hard.
he’s basically Gibril Wilson 2.0
slight talent upgrade over guys like MM34 or Derrick Gibson, but his contract makes him poison
March 5th, 2013 at 11:51 am
109.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:20 am
Priesttj12 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
There is no bigger Raider fan than I am and they made me HATE my own beloved team.
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Can an entire sentence be an oxymoron?
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Only if said sentence was written by a moron. Then yeah.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:52 am
23.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
He is not a leader and was part of one of the worst defenses in football last year. he was brought in to pressure the qb, but didnt ,and wasnt very good against the run.
Ill pass. I think if your going free agent tackle then melton or starks would be better
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Melton and Starks were both franchised. just a heads up
March 5th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Jenkins might be past his prime but he is still a very good interior rush passer and average against the run, we could do a lot more worse plus probably we won’t be able to keep Bryant.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Thanks Lefty, and 1960 fo the kool aid.
I’m hearing a lot about Nix. It would be awesome if Bergstrom could play RT for us.
I love everything DHB brings to the table, man. But damn I’m sick of crossing my fingers HOPING he’ll catch the pelota. I agree with you that he needs to run certain patterns ONLY and then use his physicalness to make plays. Hopefully Olson can get it togehter with these guys.
I think we need to draft an OT if we are keeping Palmer.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Xraided Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Sopaga makes Bowman and Willis better behind him. he gobbles up two blockers and plugs holes, constantly.
Dorsey is from a good D?
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Justin smith does all the dirty work , n yes KC was known for their D last 2-3 years n Dorsey wasn’t the reason why they were good
March 5th, 2013 at 11:54 am
I think Reggie might let all of our players test the waters in free agency so that he can gauge their value. Then he’ll make offers that are competitive rather than overpaying for their services like Al Davis used to. Grandpa Davis might have given Wheeler & Bryant 5-year $30 million contracts. Reggie might get them for HALF that
Right now he doesn’t have any money to play with, so I would expect to hear a few more paycuts in the coming week
People whine about the lack of activity by our new GM, but I think it’s a breathe of fresh air. no knee-jerk reactions or making moves just to make them when you don’t have to. Reggie will probably be the NFL’s most active GM on draft day. He finally has his own scouting dept and can fill the team with “his guys”
March 5th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Jenkins over the last two years has had some fantastic PFF stats as a pass rusher, and conversely some pretty bleak stats as a run defender.
I am guessing a Sapp-type D-lineman, only caring about sacks.
I dunno… maybe? If the price is right.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
He is not a leader and was part of one of the worst defenses in football last year. he was brought in to pressure the qb, but didnt ,and wasnt very good against the run.
Ill pass. I think if your going free agent tackle then melton or starks would be better
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I wouldn’t mind a one-year “prove it” deal.
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why not dorsey then?
better upside
far younger
better college resume
culllen = Gerrard warren part deux
March 5th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Jenkins is good , Philly had no good coordinator , the year before they had their Oline coach coaching the D side
March 5th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Spare me the Reggie kool-aid. He’s exposing our best free agents to the rest of the NFL playing a game of chicken. He’s bound to get burned by either Wheeler or Bryant if he doesn’t have deals in place before free agency hits. Let’s see how this plays out before we continue to score Reggie on the sliding scale and cherry pick his successes on a “5 for 5″ chart.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Run D is team mentality , teams either comes to stop run 60 minutes or comes to stop run only 54 minutes like the Raiders or not at all Raiders 03-11
March 5th, 2013 at 11:59 am
KC was 20th in total D and 25th in scoring D last year. Dorsey played in 4 games. They were 11 in total D and 12th in scoring D in 2011 when he played 15 games and that was without their starting safety Eric Berry who was out for all of 2011 with a torn acl. 2010 they were 10 in total and 11 in scoring on D and he played all 16 games. You could argue, i don’t know the validity bc i only saw 2 chiefs games this yr, that their defense took a step back bc he wasn’t playing.
March 5th, 2013 at 11:59 am
lol so your attributing jenkins failing in philly to the d coord?
LOL
play calling for the d tackle is an issue?
You dont think his age could be playing a part after all 32 is an age where many datckles begin to fade.
wow
March 5th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Look at teams pursuing him , NYG , Seattle and SF so def he has some value , or teams known for their Defense wouldn’t look at him
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Exactly, man.
Jenkins was GBs best DL 2 years ago. VERY disruptive. If we are talking about dumping Kelly, this would be a GREAT signing.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
Palmer has to compete for the starting job, if he’s even on the team. He will not be back at his current salary
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What were the details of his new/restructured contract? I missed that.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Cullen Jenkins could be one of those albert haynesworth types where he got paid big n stop trying hard. that could have also been a reason for his lackluster play the past two years.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
You can’t go all out n resign every player, wheeler was just okay, great teammate , but average game
March 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
43.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
Palmer has to compete for the starting job, if he’s even on the team. He will not be back at his current salary
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What were the details of his new/restructured contract? I missed that.
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there hasn’t been any news on a new contract for palmer this year. are u talking about last years?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I’m still waiting to see Reggie swallow his pride and do something about Ty Branch’s contract. That was an UGLY rookie mistake
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Agreed RRS and howdy bro. I want Goldson over Branch but we can’t afford Goldson now with that ridiculous contract we gave to an overrated Branch.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
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He had 6 sacks in 2011 and has played in every game since signing. He can’t be fading that fast….
March 5th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Guest123 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Spare me the Reggie kool-aid. He’s exposing our best free agents to the rest of the NFL playing a game of chicken. He’s bound to get burned by either Wheeler or Bryant if he doesn’t have deals in place before free agency hits. Let’s see how this plays out before we continue to score Reggie on the sliding scale and cherry pick his successes on a “5 for 5″ chart.
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On a scale from 1-10 (1 being JaMarcus, and 10 being Adrian Peterson in his prime), our “best free agents” are 5’s or 6’s at best. The only way to lock them up is to way overpay them, and Reggie’s not going to do that.
Was Wheeler a good player for us last year? No doubt. Would we like him back? Of course. If he signs elsewhere, will the market have a couple dozen guys just as good? Yup. So why overpay?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:59 am
KC was 20th in total D and 25th in scoring D last year. Dorsey played in 4 games. They were 11 in total D and 12th in scoring D in 2011 when he played 15 games and that was without their starting safety Eric Berry who was out for all of 2011 with a torn acl. 2010 they were 10 in total and 11 in scoring on D and he played all 16 games. You could argue, i don’t know the validity bc i only saw 2 chiefs games this yr, that their defense took a step back bc he wasn’t playing.
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KC Defense had a lot to with how their O performed , many times they were getting on the field after a TO by their O in their own territory
March 5th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
@G123 #38
Just because Reggie starts this offseason 5/5 doesn’t mean he’ll finish it 20/20.
Heck, he may finish 5/20
I was just pointing out that he’s off to a good start. He can do plenty wrong and has made plenty of mistakes last offseason (Seymour, Branch, Brisiel)
March 5th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
I think with the way the nfl is turning into more and more of a passing league. u need at least one LB who can cver at least respectably, we didn’t have one on the roster last year. all our LBs were horrible in coverage, including wheeler. McK might be looking for an upgrade. just a thought. it would also help if either of our safeties could cover. but they can’. so basically any team with a halfway decent TE, slot, RB killed us in the passing game last yr.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
u also can’t play zone if you have 5 players (3 LBs and 2 Safeties) who can’t cover.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
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He had 6 sacks in 2011 and has played in every game since signing. He can’t be fading that fast….
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lmao!!
7 in 2010
5.5 in 2011
4 in 2012
like i said fading fast
March 5th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
50.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:59 am
KC was 20th in total D and 25th in scoring D last year. Dorsey played in 4 games. They were 11 in total D and 12th in scoring D in 2011 when he played 15 games and that was without their starting safety Eric Berry who was out for all of 2011 with a torn acl. 2010 they were 10 in total and 11 in scoring on D and he played all 16 games. You could argue, i don’t know the validity bc i only saw 2 chiefs games this yr, that their defense took a step back bc he wasn’t playing.
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KC Defense had a lot to with how their O performed , many times they were getting on the field after a TO by their O in their own territory
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can’t the same be said for our defense? 35% 3rd down conversions = a lot of 3 and outs, horrible special teams, and turnovers very often put our D in a similar situation. that still doesn’t account for being bottom 3rd in the league in yards given up.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:59 am
lol so your attributing jenkins failing in philly to the d coord?
LOL
play calling for the d tackle is an issue?
You dont think his age could be playing a part after all 32 is an age where many datckles begin to fade.
wow
– stop laughing like a donkey, and making face expressions like a cow
March 5th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
He’s exposing our best free agents to the rest of the NFL playing a game of chicken.
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Does “best FA” translate to great player?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
still laughing my azz off at the notion that cullen under performed in philly because “he had no d coord”
hahahahahhaa
so a 32 year old needs to be coached up? or was it the play calling that hurt him?
bawahawahaeaa
that was dumb even for macnumbnuts20
March 5th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Could Glenn Dorsey stay in AFC West?
Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. tweeted an interesting thought Sunday when he wrote he thinks Kansas City free-agent defensive lineman Glenn Dorsey would be a fine fit in Denver or Oakland.
DorseyWilliamson went on to explain that he thinks Dorsey will be much better in a 4-3 defense and he thinks the No. 5 overall pick in the 2008 draft could shine with his second team.
Dorsey isn’t expected to return to the Chiefs. He has had his ups and downs in Kansas City, and he never lived up to his draft status.
I reached out to Williamson to get his thoughts on why he thinks Dorsey can be a good player and why he could fit well in Denver or Oakland. Both of those teams run a 4-3 defense and both teams need interior defensive linemen.
“I always felt like Dorsey got a raw deal,” Williamson said. “He was an outstanding up field penetrating DT at LSU and was drafted as that, but then Kansas City switched to a 3-4 and took much of that away from him. He then added weight for this new spot and never really fit. I am not saying that he is Warren Sapp or will now live up to his high draft slot, but he does get the opportunity to go to a team now that better suits his skill set. Denver and Oakland were two that came to mind, along with Carolina and Dallas, that could really get more out of him due to scheme.”
Dorsey will likely come fairly cheaply, so it will be interesting to see if he may get another opportunity in the AFC West.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/54960/could-glenn-dorsey-stay-in-afc-west
March 5th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
can’t the same be said for our defense? 35% 3rd down conversions = a lot of 3 and outs, horrible special teams, and turnovers very often put our D in a similar situation. that still doesn’t account for being bottom 3rd in the league in yards given up.–
KC O was worse than Raiders O, n they still managed to be at 20 while we ended up bottom 5, their D was def good last 2-3 years
March 5th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
I think Lechler is another player Reggie & Dennis would like to retain. Keep the best trio of special teamers in the league intact with Seabass, Shane & Condo.
Unfortunately, we can’t afford to pay Lechler what he’s worth. He probably wants to go play for a winner and be closer to home (Texas) anyways. It’s unlikely he would give us a hometown discount after the last few HUGE contracts he received from Al Davis. He might get 2-year $6 million contract on the open market
by the way, I don’t think King automatically gets the new punter job … he’ll have to compete for it
before preseason – we might find out that he got beat out by a scrawny white guy with a weird haircut who was an undrafted rookie outta Podunk U
March 5th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Does “best FA” translate to great player?
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no. we don’t have any ‘great’ players. Some very good players. Some solid vets. A bunch of journeymen who could be replaced with street free agents with no impact. but great? the bar is set unrealistically high dontcha think? This team was 4-12 forpetesake!
March 5th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
I’d take Dorsey over Jenkins in a heart beat. Younger and may have not been the right fit in KC.
Plus he’s the guy I wanted Al to draft instead of McF.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
@RRS,
Shane has gotta go. He’s getting paid like a top punter and he’s not one. Plus he’s old. Injuries just happen when your old. Trust me on this, I know.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
bill williamson agrees with my take on dorsey ?
who agrees with the yahoos here that say cullen failed becasue ‘he had no d coord’?
hahahahaha
damn almost choked on my coffee
March 5th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Coaches make difference , you don’t have to look very far for the example just compare offenses under Hue to O under Knapp , n don’t say it was because of Jason Campbell’s 150 yards Per game n his checkdowns
March 5th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
60.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
can’t the same be said for our defense? 35% 3rd down conversions = a lot of 3 and outs, horrible special teams, and turnovers very often put our D in a similar situation. that still doesn’t account for being bottom 3rd in the league in yards given up.–
KC O was worse than Raiders O, n they still managed to be at 20 while we ended up bottom 5, their D was def good last 2-3 years
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i’ll give u that their offense was worse than ours. that doesn’t mean their defense was good. they never were top 5 in the league in anything. only made 10th in total yards one time. they were above avg. nothing special. Definitely better than us, but that isn’t saying much.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Dorsey may just be Jarvis Moss or Aaron Curry 2.0
He sure as heck should come cheap because he’s been nothing but a bust to this point. I’d not be excited about getting him unless he was a camp body.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Look how McFadden looked in Pbs compared to ZBS , day n night difference , Philly couldn’t find a good Dcoordinator after the sudden passing of Jim Johnson (rip)
March 5th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Coaches make difference , you don’t have to look very far for the example just compare offenses under Hue to O under Knapp ,
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go back to your electric football
we are talking about d tackles, not offense skill position.
it is literally see ball get ball or hold your ground and occupy blockers.
What a moron
coaching should never make a difference for a 32 year old d tackle
March 5th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
I’d take Dorsey over Jenkins in a heart beat. Younger and may have not been the right fit in KC.
Plus he’s the guy I wanted Al to draft instead of McF.
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I wanted Dorsey too.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
N you mentioned Dorsey has great college resume , how has that helped him so far?? Do you even think once before typing ?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
69.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Look how McFadden looked in Pbs compared to ZBS , day n night difference , Philly couldn’t find a good Dcoordinator after the sudden passing of Jim Johnson (rip)
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i agree coaching does mean a lot. I know namdi isn’t as bad as he looked in philly. DRc also. justin babin, demeco ryans was a pro bowler and no irrelevant, guys just seemed to go there the past couple years and fail. it’s definitely on the player also, they don’t get a free pass. coaching makes a difference though.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Dorsey is a natural fit in a 4-3 defense, I’d rather pick up Dorsey and use our pick to trade back and take Dion Jordan or Barkevious Mingo as I’ve been saying for months
March 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
I think Lechler is another player Reggie & Dennis would like to retain. Keep the best trio of special teamers in the league intact with Seabass, Shane & Condo.
Unfortunately, we can’t afford to pay Lechler what he’s worth. He probably wants to go play for a winner and be closer to home (Texas) anyways. It’s unlikely he would give us a hometown discount after the last few HUGE contracts he received from Al Davis. He might get 2-year $6 million contract on the open market
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Considering what punters will probably be making in 4 years, would you sign Lechler to a somewhat backloaded contract for 4 years/12 million?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
I think Kelly should restructure & DHB & Palmer.
That happens and potentially could open up big cap room.
Huff is overpaid too, but restructured last year,not too sure he would do it again.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
guest123 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Dorsey may just be Jarvis Moss or Aaron Curry 2.0
He sure as heck should come cheap because he’s been nothing but a bust to this point. I’d not be excited about getting him unless he was a camp body.
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guest that is exactly the point
he would be a very low cost addition to a thin position group. he can be a solid rotation guy with bryant and houston at worst. At best he regains his form in the 4-3 and becomes an anchor.
this a win win scenario and makes waaaayyy more sense then jenkins.
If we are going to go free agent for that spot
March 5th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Coaches make difference , you don’t have to look very far for the example just compare offenses under Hue to O under Knapp ,
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go back to your electric football
we are talking about d tackles, not offense skill position.
it is literally see ball get ball or hold your ground and occupy blockers.
What a moron
coaching should never make a difference for a 32 year old d tackle
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You don’t have to compare it to just D side , coaching makes difference look at our special teams without the guy who’s in Seattle
March 5th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
70.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Coaches make difference , you don’t have to look very far for the example just compare offenses under Hue to O under Knapp ,
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go back to your electric football
we are talking about d tackles, not offense skill position.
it is literally see ball get ball or hold your ground and occupy blockers.
What a moron
coaching should never make a difference for a 32 year old d tackle
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it may seem weird, but i agree with this also. like i said coaching makes a difference. but at some point it is definitely on the player, especially when you’re getting paid like a star, to play like one. when you’re getting borderline elite player money, u should be able to perform in almost any scheme and be successful.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I would agree Dorsey is a natural fit for 4-3 , he just went to a wrong scheme
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Omg is McFadden20 giving Hue his due as the reason why we went 8-8 two years in a row and the quantum leap we saw in offensive production
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
The most frustrating cap issue is Rolando McClain, cutting him would waste money, but he’s just as much of a waste on the field. Maybe if he gets arrested again somewhere in his contract he doesn;t have to get paid out if cut lol
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
On a scale from 1-10 (1 being JaMarcus, and 10 being Adrian Peterson in his prime), our “best free agents” are 5’s or 6’s at best. The only way to lock them up is to way overpay them, and Reggie’s not going to do that.
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You’d put Jamarcus that high?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Per @PriscoCBS, Philip Wheeler is ready to “cash in big” in free agency, expects plenty of interest.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
I’d say let him walk then…. Wheeler is not asking for big money .. but Reggie still hasnt signed him yet
March 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
bye bye Phillip Wheeler. Reggie has lint in his front pockets.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Jacoby Ford @JacobyFord12
Off to get this field work in with @TerrellePryor @ChimChek @dhagan80 @theDHB85 @DenariusMoore @TaiwanJonesNFL
March 5th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
players give up when they are not on the field as a team, Andy Reid was winning when he had Jim Johnson coordinating D side, then they experimented , they just thought since they had great players , they can hire anybody even it means hiring a Oline guy to coach the D , n it back fired like the ZBS out team employed
March 5th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
severeraiderz Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Dorsey is a natural fit in a 4-3 defense, I’d rather pick up Dorsey and use our pick to trade back and take Dion Jordan or Barkevious Mingo as I’ve been saying for months
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HELL YEAH!!!!
jordan dorsey houston shouganessy bryant crawford
very solid young group with giant upside!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Lmao if guest is MR he is the same person that flipped his lid when we took DMC over Dorsey. In fact he said that he would show up to the home game against the chiefs wearing a Dorsey jersey
March 5th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
75.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
I think Lechler is another player Reggie & Dennis would like to retain. Keep the best trio of special teamers in the league intact with Seabass, Shane & Condo.
Unfortunately, we can’t afford to pay Lechler what he’s worth. He probably wants to go play for a winner and be closer to home (Texas) anyways. It’s unlikely he would give us a hometown discount after the last few HUGE contracts he received from Al Davis. He might get 2-year $6 million contract on the open market
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Considering what punters will probably be making in 4 years, would you sign Lechler to a somewhat backloaded contract for 4 years/12 million?
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i wouldn’t resign lechler for that much money, he regressed last year. his punts weren’t good, they didn’t give us a positive impact like in the past. he was 10th in the nfl in avg. punt, 17th in net punt yds. if you’re gonna bring him back give him avg. punter salary at most. if he isn’t willing togive us a discount we shouldn’t be willing to give him anything either. thats my stance on him.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Omg is McFadden20 giving Hue his due as the reason why we went 8-8 two years in a row and the quantum leap we saw in offensive production
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I’m not saying he was a great coach , I was saying he was better offensive coordinator than Knapp , n he installed a scheme to players strengths
March 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I would agree Dorsey is a natural fit for 4-3 , he just went to a wrong scheme
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are you sure he didnt flop because ‘he had no d coord”?
hahahahahaha
ok thats enough
March 5th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
it may seem weird, but i agree with this also. like i said coaching makes a difference. but at some point it is definitely on the player, especially when you’re getting paid like a star, to play like one. when you’re getting borderline elite player money, u should be able to perform in almost any scheme and be successful.
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I agree too, plus I don’t like a d-lineman that is only good vs pass.
I’ll take my chances on an under-achieving young guy that is mediocre vs both run and pass, over and old guy that can’t stop the run.
Dorsey might just need a change of scenery and scheme.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
The salary cap is pretty much frozen and the elite players are pushing the record salaries to new levels. Something has to give.
This free agency, look for a select few to break the bank and a huge pool of “the rest” clammoring for the table scraps.
I think Reggie is likely to sit out days 1, 2 and 3 of free agency. Then go dumpster diving for bargains.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
I say draft jordan and sign dorsey and watch the defense improve over night
March 5th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
asher Mathews @AsherMathews
Per @LeviDamien a source says the #Raiders don’t plan on resigning any of their prospective F/As this week, will let them test F/A
Retweeted by SBreport
March 5th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
I’m not saying Dorsey is really bad, but he really didn’t make as much of an impact on KC D, 3-4 scheme might have a lot to do with that , wasn’t he a 4-3 DT at LSU , or maybe he had the Jamarcus Russell syndrome , got paid so fuk everything
March 5th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Wheeler is everything this regime likes…. heart, character and leadership…. true hussle and never quit.
If they can’t restructure others to keep him, its a huge loss for the regime. essentially losing our best d player.
I could care less about Lechler/Myers/kelly …. even DHB …..
Wheeler is more important than any of them and prob all of them combined
March 5th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
SBreport @SBreport
ESPN’s Bill Williamson: Raiders and Broncos could be two teams interested in Chiefs DL Glenn Dorsey, noting Dorsey a better for a 4-3.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Jacoby Ford @JacobyFord12
Off to get this field work in with @TerrellePryor @ChimChek @dhagan80 @theDHB85 @DenariusMoore @TaiwanJonesNFL
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HELL MAUTHAFUGGIN YEAH!!!!!!
DHB FORD AND DMO17 ALL ON DECK READY TO RUN THROUGH WALLS FOR THE YOUNGSTER!!!
THEY ARE GOING TO KICK AZZ IN THE PRE SEASON
carson better start working on his hand gripper exercise, he will need to hold that clip board
March 5th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Levi Damien @LeviDamien
It appears reports of Brisiel taking a pay cut were greatly exaggerated. He won’t lose any money. It will simply be spread out.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
I’d like to see a post where we actually DID something..not just talk about it.
Gruden, the guy from MSG, Ray Anderson, Holmgren, Cullen Jenkins…
I realize i’m being impatient, but I’m a fan and that’s my right lol.
I’m sure we’ll hear something about someone and some point, but the fact remains…
I AM NOT ENTERTAINED!
March 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I would agree Dorsey is a natural fit for 4-3 , he just went to a wrong scheme
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are you sure he didnt flop because ‘he had no d coord”?
hahahahahaha
ok thats enough
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Okay first stop with the donkey expressions
, Philly D underachieved with nnamdi, DRC, Samuel, babin, n others , you can’t say that coaching had nothing to do with that
March 5th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
So Reggie’s gonna let them all walk the plank?
While he’s at it he should cut the fat that’s dying to be cut already. Get us under the cap so that we can at least be ready if a good deal or player falls to us.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Hell yeah Mistic
I would like us to add a two gap player in FA though just to have some beef up front
March 5th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Jacoby Ford @JacobyFord12
Off to get this field work in with @TerrellePryor @ChimChek @dhagan80 @theDHB85 @DenariusMoore @TaiwanJonesNFL
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HELL MAUTHAFUGGIN YEAH!!!!!!
DHB FORD AND DMO17 ALL ON DECK READY TO RUN THROUGH WALLS FOR THE YOUNGSTER!!!
THEY ARE GOING TO KICK AZZ IN THE PRE SEASON
carson better start working on his hand gripper exercise, he will need to hold that clip board
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Hold your donkey laugh , CP3 is injured that’s why they are practicing with the next QB, otherwise they would have been practicing with CP3, not hating , just stating the facts
March 5th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
101, We don’t need Carson holding a clipboard. If Pryor’s the “man” then best to move on in that case.
He’d be a pretty expensive backup if they decide to go with Pryor.
No Boller though…or some other schlep.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Reg should bring back bryant , Adams and Ross , rest can test the FA
March 5th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I would agree Dorsey is a natural fit for 4-3 , he just went to a wrong scheme
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are you sure he didnt flop because ‘he had no d coord”?
hahahahahaha
ok thats enough
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Okay first stop with the donkey expressions
, Philly D underachieved with nnamdi, DRC, Samuel, babin, n others , you can’t say that coaching had nothing to do with that
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yes fool
the coaches had very little to do with the d tackles performance.
How much coaching does namdie need?
babin another player that didnt produce, on record as saying the players didnt do their part.
Showed up late, didnt buy in and tried to super star their way through it.
similar to a team that davis build on a few occasions, all individual no team.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
So what Myers said was true too them “looks like I’m leaving the raiders”
Now Wheeler saying same, obviously reggie already told them to test FA, most likely because Kelly, DHB, and CP3 all won’t take pay cuts.
Briesel might have struggled to get a job unless he took his, but the others could have a shot, except DHB i think he wouldn’t sniff more 3 mill a yr in FA, now he gettinng 7.7 mill for 2013. at least cut that to 5 mill
March 5th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Not much drop off from Myers to Aus or the other guy
March 5th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Reggie thought so much of our injured and ineffective starting RG that he gives him a $3 million bonus check for his troubles, but he won’t even begin negotiations with any of his free agents. Just gonna let them walk away. But he’ll have his future backup RG locked up for the future! trustinreggie#
March 5th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Briesel might have struggled to get a job unless he took his…
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He took a cut? link? source?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
so Sapp comes from one of the best Ds, Seymour came from decent Pats D , n then we still get run over, so coaching and philosophy had nothing to do with that ??
March 5th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
One priority to keep Phillip Adams and Wheeler and Brandian Ross on defense.
If not, then forget about any improving players under Tarvers scheme.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
What is Reggie going to offer as an excuse after we finish 3-13 next year?
“it’s all part of the plan. more or less”
March 5th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
guest123 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Briesel might have struggled to get a job unless he took his…
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He took a cut? link? source?
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google it, he wasn’t restructured, no money was spread out … he lost 3 million to keep a shot at job.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
I wouldn’t really criticize our Oline guys after being coached by G Knapp and Pollack, Tony Sparano is a good Oline coach so lets see what he does for our Oline
March 5th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
McFadden20
Never said that u said he was a great coach but what u said implies that u acknowledge he was reason we went 8-8 two years in a row and our offense exploded from bottom 5 to top 10
March 5th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Brisiel has worked out a way to stick with the team, however. Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times reports that he has agreed to a restructure that slashes his base salary to $1.35 million in 2013. Corkran reports a saving of $3 million under the cap, which suggests that it is a straight pay cut since the cap number wouldn’t go down by that much if they had converted his salary to a bonus and spread the hit over the three years left on his deal.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
google it, he wasn’t restructured, no money was spread out … he lost 3 million to keep a shot at job.
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The agent for Raiders RG Mike Brisiel clarified that his client lost no money upon restructuring his contract.
Initially believed to have taken a pay cut, Brisiel will instead receive a guaranteed roster bonus of $3 million next week in exchange for slashing his salary from $4.35 million to $1.35 million. The $3 million payment will be treated like a signing bonus and prorated over the contract’s life, lowering Brisiel’s 2013 salary cap charge but increasing his cap number in future years.
Source: Associated Press Mar 5 – 12:15 AM
March 5th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Cutting DHB, Palmer, Kelly, and McClain produces roughly 20 mil in dead money due to accelerated cap hits. Don’t know if you can stretch those out for 2 years, but that is a good % of the cap with not one player on the field.
Reggie is screwed.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
numerous sources on twitter are confirming that Briesel took no such thing as a “pay cut”.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
so Sapp comes from one of the best Ds, Seymour came from decent Pats D , n then we still get run over, so coaching and philosophy had nothing to do with that ??
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its called aging
they were past their prime that is why they were available in the first place.
you are not too bright are you
March 5th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Paradise, Brisiel’s agent came out since that report and said he did not take a pay cut, but that his salary was converted to bonus and spread over the remaining years of the deal. His salary IS 1.35 million this season, but his cap charge is 2.9 mill which is what PFT didn’t look at when they wrote that article.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
All the restructure did was push $3 mill in cap to the future and committed the Raiders to Briesel.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
McKenzie only seems to sign players that he knows personally. That list cant last forever.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Lot of talk about Ty Branch being overpaid.
Probably justified.
But at least Branch plays hard and will lay the lumber.
In comparison, Mike Huff brings NOTHING to the table, and doesn’t take nearly enough heat for being the overpaid, non-impact bust that he’s been.
Huffypoo hasn’t made a hard tackle yet.
He’s anything but a ballhawk. Always a step late.
Looks the part, but can’t play for schit.
Might have an impressive 40 time without the pads on, but is always being outrun when it counts on the field with the pads on.
Keep hearing how ‘versatile’ he is. Truth is he does nothing well.
Branch is a bargain compared to Huff.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Those guys won’t all be cut. For exactly that reason, we can’t handle the dead money, and for the record if we did cut them all, it would be a hell of a lot more than 20 mill.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RAIDERMAN99 post 129, truth (ouch) all of it.
lol
March 5th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Reggie looks like he just spreading the money out just like Al used to. At least Al still got the players he wanted and never whined about not being able to put a team on the field because of cap issues.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
127.guest123 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
All the restructure did was push $3 mill in cap to the future and committed the Raiders to Briesel.
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For this season. We can still cut him next year, the dead money would only be about 3 mill, Id rather take a 3 mill hit next year when we are more financially secure in order to absorb that. We can’t just keep stacking dead money into one year.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Guest123 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
What is Reggie going to offer as an excuse after we finish 3-13 next year?
“it’s all part of the plan. more or less”
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He’ll say “I enjoyed my time with Oakland Raiders. Unfortunately we did achieve the success and growth we had hoped for. I wish them the best of luck in the future”.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Those guys won’t all be cut. For exactly that reason, we can’t handle the dead money, and for the record if we did cut them all, it would be a hell of a lot more than 20 mill.
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so like a dying man asking the doc, “just be honest with me doc, how many months I got?”
How many more seasons to get all this dead and decaying contracts off the books? Realistically.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Let Wheeler go, let Myers go, they can both be replaced through the draft. Jon Bostic and Joseph Fauria
March 5th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Reggie looks like he just spreading the money out just like Al used to. At least Al still got the players he wanted and never whined about not being able to put a team on the field because of cap issues.
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The difference is Reggie spread out a 3 million dollar bonus, AL spread out TWENTY million dollar bonuses. Not the same thing, and please please STOP saying Al signed whoever he wanted, because that is simply nonsense.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
How much you think it is,Bcz24? I’m just using the sportrac numbers. Not accurate?
March 5th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Oline and run D could be turned into solid unit , with good coaching
March 5th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
How many more seasons to get all this dead and decaying contracts off the books? Realistically.
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I think the original estimate by realists was 3-4 years, and we are on par for that (maybe a bit sooner depending on how this season shakes out)
March 5th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
wooops *NOT* achieve…
March 5th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
all this moving cap hits and dead money is like trying to mop thick layers of sh!t around a dive bar restroom and all the while more drunks are pissing on the floor missing the urinal.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Reggie spread out Carson who accounts for over half the dead money if the above players are cut.
Al had nothing to do with that, and its a known fact that Al got who he wanted.
The majority disagrees with you.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
I think the original estimate by realists was 3-4 years, and we are on par for that (maybe a bit sooner depending on how this season shakes out)
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ok then, we’re fooked!
March 5th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
I want to know your dead money figure, Bcz24? If you know more then let’s hear it.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
so Sapp comes from one of the best Ds, Seymour came from decent Pats D , n then we still get run over, so coaching and philosophy had nothing to do with that ??
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its called aging
they were past their prime that is why they were available in the first place.
you are not too bright are you
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You can make the case of aging , but you can’t deny the reason why we have sucked stopping the run since 2003 wasn’t due to philosophy n coaching , you could have put Ngatta , William brothers from minny on D line and we would have still struggled stopping the run, because of the coaching Philosophy on D
March 5th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Seymour already accounts for 13.6 million in dead money as we sit today, Palmer would be about 7.8 mill, DHB would be 5.3 mill Kelly is 6.3 mill and McClain (according to Spotrac) would be 10.8 mill. If those numbers, as reported by Spotrac are accurate we would have around 43 million in dead money, thats a 1/3rd of our salary cap. It is simply an impossiblity to try to work with that.
March 5th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
The reason why TB gets criticized more than huff is because he’s below average in doing something secondary players are supposed to do which is pass coverage where as Huff is above average in coverage
March 5th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Jesus give me a chance to type.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Everyone is getting all butt hurt because Reggie is letting our FA test the open market.How do any of you know he hasn’t been in contact with the players agents and has a handshake deal to match or at least be given the opportunity to talk after they have received other offers-something that is done quite regularly.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
TB really sucks , has no awareness from side to side , he’s def better running straight n tackling the guy , but when he has to turn his head in coverage he gets lost
March 5th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
we would have around 43 million in dead money, thats a 1/3rd of our salary cap. It is simply an impossiblity to try to work with that.
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very bleak picture. all you guys swigging the kool-aid, listen up!
March 5th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
so Sapp comes from one of the best Ds, Seymour came from decent Pats D , n then we still get run over, so coaching and philosophy had nothing to do with that ??
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its called aging
they were past their prime that is why they were available in the first place.
you are not too bright are you
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You can make the case of aging , but you can’t deny the reason why we have sucked stopping the run since 2003
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what does 2003 have to do with the 2013 raiders and passing on flame out cullen jenkins mac tea bag?
different owner
different players
different coaches
cullen is aging and under performed
no thanks
March 5th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Lefty12 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Everyone is getting all butt hurt because Reggie is letting our FA test the open market.How do any of you know he hasn’t been in contact with the players agents and has a handshake deal to match or at least be given the opportunity to talk after they have received other offers-something that is done quite regularly.
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Or those FAs want to test the FA market as well, that’s also something that is done regularly
March 5th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Reg should bring back bryant , Adams and Ross , rest can test the FA
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Agreed except Wheeler needs to come back too. We have ZERO LB’s losing him. Burris tries hard but is hot garbage so far.
How do you replace three LB’s at once?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Most guys think you draft a Kid and he is the finished product. UMMM noo. Its only begining when you draft someone. I dont care if they have all the production in the world coming into nfl. Even Chance Warmack will need to be coached, Dion Jordan, J.Jones all of them
U HAVE TO COACH THE KID UP and continue to develop him. TOP NOTCH COACHING is key.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
so Sapp comes from one of the best Ds, Seymour came from decent Pats D , n then we still get run over, so coaching and philosophy had nothing to do with that ??
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its called aging
they were past their prime that is why they were available in the first place.
you are not too bright are you
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You can make the case of aging , but you can’t deny the reason why we have sucked stopping the run since 2003
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what does 2003 have to do with the 2013 raiders and passing on flame out cullen jenkins mac tea bag?
different owner
different players
different coaches
cullen is aging and under performed
no thanks
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I’m just giving example of how coaching and philosophy can mess up the team so that your frog brain could maybe understand , but I guess not
March 5th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
U HAVE TO COACH THE KID UP and continue to develop him. TOP NOTCH COACHING is key.
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agreed. Question is does that exist in Raiderland?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:48 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Most guys think you draft a Kid and he is the finished product. UMMM noo. Its only begining when you draft someone. I dont care if they have all the production in the world coming into nfl. Even Chance Warmack will need to be coached, Dion Jordan, J.Jones all of them
U HAVE TO COACH THE KID UP and continue to develop him. TOP NOTCH COACHING is key.
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Bingo!
I had a revelation when I read the Teryel Pryor piece last fall when he said for a whole year no one even talked to him under Hue. Hue carried no QB coach and was light on staff (maybe not his fault) but the end result was that players were not being developed. This year Plamer took TP under his wings (probably at the encouragement of the coaches) and there was a QB coach that was working with TP even though he was 3rd string. Now this year he is now up to 2nd String and there will probably be packages for him so he gets more development. With (you got fit into my system Knapp gone) I expect even more development work on the offensive side. Even what Saunders has been allowed to do with the TEs this year in comparison to previous years was different.
Now comes this year. There have been signficant upgrades at OL coach, Linebackers Coach, ST coach, and I would say OC. A lot of what they did last year was last minute on the fly kind of hires but with more time they put serious consideration into recruiting and hiring high value experienced coaches. With a few exceptions I have not seen this in the past.
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agreed
March 5th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
In case anyone didnt know
MATT BARKLEY says he has spoken to the Raiders as well.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Reggie spread out Carson, you are correct, he did NOT write the contract. He did NOT give Carson any more money than he was due in the contract the Cincy wrote. Are you really going to sit here and tell me that you think Reggie should have cut Carson 6 months after Hue paid a 1 and 2, last year when we were already at least 20 million over the cap? This isn’t fantasy football. There are ramifications to letting people go.
And you are an idiot if you think Al got whoever he wanted, OR you are trying to get me to believe that Al simply didn’t want really good players that he couldn’t get. Al died with a record of 4 winning season in the salary cap era. Reggie may not be very good at being a GM, but there is no WORSE example to compare him to than Al Davis.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Mistic is denying that coaching has nothing to do with how a unit performs lol
This guy is def a definition of troll
March 5th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Made me LOl in the article Wait did Jerry Mcdonalds posted last night. Did he really say Ausbery has donelitte to prove he can be the man??
Im sorry they never even gave the kid a chance.. and when he did get a chance he made stuff happen. Whether it be stiff arming guys off him or fighting for extra yards I have no doubt Ausbery could do what Meyer did or better.
We are talking about Brandon freaking Meyers here LMAOO thats how bad our talent is here. The guy was a horrible blocker, yet was decent in the middle passing game.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Raiders might draft the TE KELCE out of Cincinatti. They dont need Meyers except if its for League MIN
and
Talk to me when the Raiders get a Charles Woodson type talent again here on defense.. I dont care its at Linebacker our Pass rusher or Corner.. someone that has a chip on their shoulder and plays hard.. has that extra ..i dont what to call it. U know when a player has it
Dashon Goldson has it
I dont care if Lecher comes back.. tird of this 5 milly for a punter stuff. It was funny when our Punter was speaking up as a leader on the team.. haha u know the Raiders have had it bad when ur Punter is leading the team
March 5th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
I think even in madden franchise it’s hard to get rid of players and sign everybody you want , n these guys think it should be easy in real life
March 5th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Reggie spread out Carson, you are correct, he did NOT write the contract. He did NOT give Carson any more money than he was due in the contract the Cincy wrote. Are you really going to sit here and tell me that you think Reggie should have cut Carson 6 months after Hue paid a 1 and 2, last year when we were already at least 20 million over the cap? This isn’t fantasy football. There are ramifications to letting people go.
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Actually last night someone did suggest that very thing!
March 5th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
And let’s be honest, how many people give Al credit for the 3 winning seasons leading to the Super Bowl, 99% of people in here will tell you that Gruden did that in spite of Al not because of him.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Mistic is denying that coaching has nothing to do with how a unit performs lol
This guy is def a definition of troll
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no idiot
Im saying that cullen jekins is 32 shop worn and that is why he flopped. not becuase of the d coord like you said.
dont try and create a completely different argument
you are weak bra, owning you is no fun
March 5th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
I don’t even think you could have gotten Mistic to advocate flat out cutting Palmer prior to last season, and he would rather watch Palmer get shot in the face and torn apart by wolves than see him lead the Raiders to a Super Bowl victory.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
I actually have to agree with Mistic on Jenkins… he is washed up. I would kick the tires on him as GM and do my due diligence, but I wouldn’t sign him for a whole hell of a lot more than the vet minimum with some incentives splashed in.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Code win
March 5th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
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He had 6 sacks in 2011 and has played in every game since signing. He can’t be fading that fast….
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lmao!!
7 in 2010
5.5 in 2011
4 in 2012
like i said fading fast
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That’s fading fast? But Pryor completing 40% of his passes for 3 yards a pop is Hall of Fame material?? Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo….
March 5th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Mistic is denying that coaching has nothing to do with how a unit performs lol
This guy is def a definition of troll
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no idiot
Im saying that cullen jekins is 32 shop worn and that is why he flopped. not becuase of the d coord like you said.
dont try and create a completely different argument
you are weak bra, owning you is no fun
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Lol yeah he’s 32 n washed up , so the whole Philly D was pretty washed up ? Is that the reason why they sucked? N had nothing to do with the Oline coach coaching the D side ?
N yeah he’s washed up n teams with D identity like NYG Seattle and SF are just stupid to go after him ? Right they should listen to you lmao
March 5th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
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He had 6 sacks in 2011 and has played in every game since signing. He can’t be fading that fast….
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lmao!!
7 in 2010
5.5 in 2011
4 in 2012
like i said fading fast
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That’s fading fast? But Pryor completing 40% of his passes for 3 yards a pop is Hall of Fame material?? Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo….
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I wanna laugh so hard but this is getting really old , Mis tick tick gets owned so bad all the times lmao
March 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
bush
are you seriously comparing a 32 year old d tackle that has already cashed out ona huge pay day to a 23 year old qb that has made one start?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i dont even know how to follow this logic
March 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
whatup fellas???
you guys got this whole draft thing figured out yet?
Had to take a few weeks off cause it was like watching the same sitcom in here over and over. Not really funny after the 400th time.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
N yeah he’s washed up n teams with D identity like NYG Seattle and SF are just stupid to go after him ? Right they should listen to you lmao
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Those teams are looking at Jenkins as a situation role player, a depth guy. Not as a starter. Big difference. Mistic said the same thing, bring him in for depth on the cheap. He isn’t starter calibur anymore.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Mistic is whiner fan , lol which is why he gets excited every time there is a hint of Pryor because he knows starting Pryor is a sure way to go 0-16
March 5th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Look Pryor scored in the redzone in his lone start.
Thats where he should be used until he proves capable of doing everything else between the 20’s.
Until then Palmer will be the guy, 40% completions won’t get you anywhere in this league and Pryor needs reps and better understanding of where to go with the ball, that AND be able to have accurate touch which he lacks.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
losing nearly 2 sacks per year for the last 3 years is the definition of “fading fast’ bush
what are you on?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Lol Mistic mentioned how our receivers sucks when Pryor started just 1 game
March 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Seymour
How do u turn a convo about a DL on another team into a TP conversation?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
N yeah he’s washed up n teams with D identity like NYG Seattle and SF are just stupid to go after him ? Right they should listen to you lmao
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Those teams are looking at Jenkins as a situation role player, a depth guy. Not as a starter. Big difference. Mistic said the same thing, bring him in for depth on the cheap. He isn’t starter calibur anymore.
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Ummmm on the raiders he is a starter instantly.
Thats why he will come to OAK for a visit.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Mistic was saying our receivers are HOF guys when Palmer started 25 games n then Pryor started and all of a sudden they suck lol
March 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
And let’s be honest, how many people give Al credit for the 3 winning seasons leading to the Super Bowl, 99% of people in here will tell you that Gruden did that in spite of Al not because of him.
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I have been kind of hard on Al because of the last 18 years but this is what I give him credit for:
1. Awesome coaching turn around to make the Raiders one of the top three AFL teams of the 1960’s
2. Agressive business acum as commissioner of AFL that help lead to the league Merger after the Jets and KC won their SB.
3. Taking in and trading for misfits and castoffs and finding places for them like Ted Hendricks, Lyle Azaldo and on and on
4. Drafting Upsshaw from a small college may be top three guards all time.
5. Drafting so many good players in 1970’s and 80’s can not name them all but think about Art Shell, Stabler as a 2nd rounder, Lester Hayes and on and on.
6. Hiring a young Defensive Coor as head coach that had winning records against the whos who of coaches of his time.
7. Hiring the first Hispanic Head Coach who won two superbowls.
8. Hiring the first Black Head Coach who took team to AFC campionship.
9. Hired the first woman for a leadership position on an NFL team.
The guy in terms of what happened since 1960 is in the top 3-4 people as a mover and shaker in the NFL. He wholehartedly deserves to be in HOF.
However since 1994 when the salary cap was insituted. Only really good years were when Gruden and Allen were here and he traded Gruden! Terrible draft pics and contracts and trades such as the ill fated Randy Moss trade. Then there was the 2010-11 “superbowl run” when overspending Al mortgaged the future and could only wrangle out consective 8-8 records.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
Not as big of a fan as others are. Didn’t make my top 50 TEs. (Brandon Meyers)
see thats the kind of talent we have had
March 5th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Hey Mistic any excuses for Vick and Cam Newton? Lol
March 5th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 11:47 am
jenkins was a complete bust in philly, he is aging and fading fast.
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He had 6 sacks in 2011 and has played in every game since signing. He can’t be fading that fast….
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lmao!!
7 in 2010
5.5 in 2011
4 in 2012
like i said fading fast
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That’s fading fast? But Pryor completing 40% of his passes for 3 yards a pop is Hall of Fame material?? Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo….
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if you’re going to talk smack to someone at least get the numbers right. eCarson palmer had a game in 2011 when he threw for under 50% also, and i’m not talkin the KC game. and Palmer has been in the league for what, 9 yrs? this kid had his first real game time in two years and you’re gonna knock him for throwin under 50% when “the best raider qb since gannon” did it in his 8th yr in the league? wow.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Any excuses for 13-19 record lol
March 5th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
why does pryor only get 1 start and 1 week of practice with only half the reps to prove that he can throw the ball?
luck completed 47 % i his 3rd start
russel wilson 39% in his 7th start
many of you guys simply have no clue about what makes a good qb and you have been exposed time and time again.
good thing cotls and hawks didnt pull the plug on their guy
why should we/
March 5th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Qb’s have bad games but there’s no way u should already put them in HOF before starting game or call them the greatest player of that team he plays for
Still LMAO Griffin will be the greatest redskin ever
March 5th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Mistic was saying our receivers are HOF guys when Palmer started 25 games n then Pryor started and all of a sudden they suck lol
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what a liar
i have never said this
lol…weak
March 5th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
why does pryor only get 1 start and 1 week of practice with only half the reps to prove that he can throw the ball?
luck completed 47 % i his 3rd start
russel wilson 39% in his 7th start
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exactly…
palmer threw for 48% in his 100+ start.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Look Pryor cant throw. Thats it. PERIOD.
Show me college stats, pre-season stats, real game stats and he is not an accurate passer.
He prob never will be, but if he can use his feet, extend plays and his run threat leaves guys wide open, then he has something going for him.
Palmer can make every NFL throw asked of him because of his arm-talent. Pryor can’t. FACT
March 5th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
why does pryor only get 1 start and 1 week of practice with only half the reps to prove that he can throw the ball?
luck completed 47 % i his 3rd start
russel wilson 39% in his 7th start
many of you guys simply have no clue about what makes a good qb and you have been exposed time and time again.
good thing cotls and hawks didnt pull the plug on their guy
why should we/
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Okay 2 years on team, same playbook the whole year and gets one start and excuses are made for him ,
Palmer is sitting at home , gets call from bengals that he’s been traded to the Raiders , gets play book thrown at him, with only a week to go before the next game , and comes into the game after half time, and team already down double digits , n throws 3 ints n it’s called Palmers legacy game ??
LMAO FREAKIN HYPOCRITE
March 5th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1554585-raiders-mike-goodson-gives-hope-for-menacing-all-black-helmet
this would be sick!!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
So in other words, the only criteria Reggie uses to procure free agents is he knows them from Green Bay? When is this guy going to do something meaningful?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Always excuses for his guys but then call every game Legacy game for guys he hates lol
March 5th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
McFadden20
If Jenkins had a down year last year at 32 what do u think he’s gonna do when he gets the dreaded “one year older” syndrome that sapped the production from Kelly and Seymour lmao.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
And you are an idiot if you think Al got whoever he wanted, OR you are trying to get me to believe that Al simply didn’t want really good players that he couldn’t get. Al died with a record of 4 winning season in the salary cap era. Reggie may not be very good at being a GM, but there is no WORSE example to compare him to than Al Davis.
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Al has a string of players he got cause he wanted them
Moos, Sapp, Seymour, Walker, and the list goes on….
March 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
194.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Look Pryor cant throw. Thats it. PERIOD.
Show me college stats, pre-season stats, real game stats and he is not an accurate passer.
He prob never will be, but if he can use his feet, extend plays and his run threat leaves guys wide open, then he has something going for him.
Palmer can make every NFL throw asked of him because of his arm-talent. Pryor can’t. FACT
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Pryor threw 65% his junior yr of college for 8+ yards per attempt.
Colin kaepernik his senior year was 64.9% for 8+ yds per attempt. i don’t think anyone is questioning kaepernik’s ability to pass. Kaepernik’s jurnior season he completed only 58% of his passes @ 7.3 yards per attempt. and pryor improved every year so it would be safe to assume he would have improved again had he stayed for his senior season.
Andrew Luck passed for under 50% in 5 games this year. I guess he can’t pass either.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21817641/hue-jackson-says-al-davis-offered-him-raiders-gm-job-in-2009
have fun with this one.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
why does pryor only get 1 start and 1 week of practice with only half the reps to prove that he can throw the ball?
luck completed 47 % i his 3rd start
russel wilson 39% in his 7th start
many of you guys simply have no clue about what makes a good qb and you have been exposed time and time again.
good thing cotls and hawks didnt pull the plug on their guy
why should we/
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Okay 2 years on team, same playbook the whole year and gets one start and excuses are made for him ,
Palmer is sitting at home , gets call from bengals that he’s been traded to the Raiders , gets play book thrown at him, with only a week to go before the next game , and comes into the game after half time, and team already down double digits , n throws 3 ints n it’s called Palmers legacy game ??
LMAO FREAKIN HYPOCRITE
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you didnt answer the point at all
basically your claim is palmer off the couch had the same amout of practice time as pryor leading up to their first starts as raiders.
Only pryor threw 2 tds int and rushed for 48 yards and td 3 tds 1 turn over
palmer a 9 year pro threw 3 picks 0 tds and completed 38%
LOL!!!!!!!
so faced with similar circumstance minus palmer 8 years of nfl experience pryor was better
try looking up things other than free porn before you post
March 5th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
194.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Look Pryor cant throw. Thats it. PERIOD.
Show me college stats, pre-season stats, real game stats and he is not an accurate passer.
He prob never will be, but if he can use his feet, extend plays and his run threat leaves guys wide open, then he has something going for him.
Palmer can make every NFL throw asked of him because of his arm-talent. Pryor can’t. FACT
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Palmer couldn’t make a 3rd down throw for a first, not last year at least. 35% 3rd down conversions says thats a fact.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Haha excuses for his guys as usuall
March 5th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
what free agents on this team would cripple us if they left?
bryant? wheeler? meyers/
who cares if they test the market they are not guys you break the bank for
March 5th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Alswingman Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
So in other words, the only criteria Reggie uses to procure free agents is he knows them from Green Bay? When is this guy going to do something meaningful?
– teams like SF, Seattle and NYG are also interested in that guy
Just saying
March 5th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
I see why people back Pryor, I do, but when he improves drastically. If the team makes improvements in the power run scheme and pass attack offense olson putting in… run game back, palmer gets ford, moore, Streater all healthy for first time, reece and some help in draft and FA … this team will be scoring enough to have a shot to win games in the division.
Pryor is doing and saying all the right things, happy for him, but he needs to earn it, not be given it.
He only played when Plamer got hurt and it was meaningless game … its was “a good look” at what he can do, not a surge into the starter role.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
194.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Look Pryor cant throw. Thats it. PERIOD.
Show me college stats, pre-season stats, real game stats and he is not an accurate passer.
He prob never will be, but if he can use his feet, extend plays and his run threat leaves guys wide open, then he has something going for him.
Palmer can make every NFL throw asked of him because of his arm-talent. Pryor can’t. FACT
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Palmer couldn’t make a 3rd down throw for a first, not last year at least. 35% 3rd down conversions says thats a fact.
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Because you need receivers to run n get open n catch balls , we had receivers who could run straight but couldn’t get open or catch
March 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
why does pryor only get 1 start and 1 week of practice with only half the reps to prove that he can throw the ball?
luck completed 47 % i his 3rd start
russel wilson 39% in his 7th start
many of you guys simply have no clue about what makes a good qb and you have been exposed time and time again.
good thing cotls and hawks didnt pull the plug on their guy
why should we/
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Okay 2 years on team, same playbook the whole year and gets one start and excuses are made for him ,
Palmer is sitting at home , gets call from bengals that he’s been traded to the Raiders , gets play book thrown at him, with only a week to go before the next game , and comes into the game after half time, and team already down double digits , n throws 3 ints n it’s called Palmers legacy game ??
LMAO FREAKIN HYPOCRITE
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Palmer threw 48% in his 5th start as a raider, no including KC game. got beat by miami 34-14. excuse?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
so ford will be the difference maker for palmer?
wow, we are really scraping bottom today
March 5th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
209.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
194.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Look Pryor cant throw. Thats it. PERIOD.
Show me college stats, pre-season stats, real game stats and he is not an accurate passer.
He prob never will be, but if he can use his feet, extend plays and his run threat leaves guys wide open, then he has something going for him.
Palmer can make every NFL throw asked of him because of his arm-talent. Pryor can’t. FACT
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Palmer couldn’t make a 3rd down throw for a first, not last year at least. 35% 3rd down conversions says thats a fact.
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Because you need receivers to run n get open n catch balls , we had receivers who could run straight but couldn’t get open or catch
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of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
I see why people back Pryor, I do, but when he improves drastically. If the team makes improvements in the power run scheme and pass attack offense olson putting in… run game back, palmer gets ford, moore, Streater all healthy for first time, reece and some help in draft and FA … this team will be scoring enough to have a shot to win games in the division.
Pryor is doing and saying all the right things, happy for him, but he needs to earn it, not be given it.
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i agree pryor has to earn it, but so does palmer. what has he done to earn the starting job?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
LOL, remember when Alex Smith went down against the Rams. He was being chased all over the place. Kaepernick comes in and all of a sudden, the line is blocking better…
Well…did Smith say something that pissed them off?
March 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
There is not a great player on the team. You guys bicker over who is the best of the worst.
Myers, Wheeeler, Bryant only look good cause they hang out with ugly chicks, so to speak.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
I agree with NG! Palmer, and Pryor will have a chance to earn it! May the best man win!
March 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
215.Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
There is not a great player on the team. You guys bicker over who is the best of the worst.
Myers, Wheeeler, Bryant only look good cause they hang out with ugly chicks, so to speak.
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hahaha
March 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
The salesmanship that resides on the FOOTBALL SIDE of the organization in Oakland closely resembles that of the new Hit Show “House of Lies” on Showtime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO0L7LJxd8g
March 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Because you need receivers to run n get open n catch balls , we had receivers who could run straight but couldn’t get open or catch
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of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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uh oh mac tea bags you are clowning yourself again
March 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
215.Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
There is not a great player on the team. You guys bicker over who is the best of the worst.
Myers, Wheeeler, Bryant only look good cause they hang out with ugly chicks, so to speak.
Does that make someone look good? LOL
March 5th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Mistic is Pryors mom
March 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Right miss tick tick? Tell your son to keep working hard his chance will come
March 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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Down n distance , n no game tape on Pryor
March 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Palmer has earned the starting job by knowing the offense, in case you didn’t know thats they first thing that gets you on the field fast in the NFL at QB.
He ran no-huddle, hurry-up situations, audibles, we wouldn’t have won a game without Palmer and sure maybe we lost some because of him.
But when the strenghts of this team get going he can win in our division. bottom line.
Overpaid? Yes,
undervalued by oak fans …. yes.
To blame Palmer for everything is a common theme in here,
we were taking DB’s off the streets, had no pass rush and a stupid OC and whimpy ZBS that hurt everything.
Blame Palmer and you have no clue about Football.
His best “WR” was a no-name TE ….
March 5th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Right miss tick tick? Tell your son to keep working hard his chance will come
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i dont have tell him any thing
lol
Im sure he hears that every day from dhb dmo17 and ford while they follow his lead grinding away at laney college this off season
March 5th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Sports Quotes @Sports_Greats
There will be obstacles. There will be doubters. There will be mistakes. But with hard work… THERE ARE NO LIMITS. -Michael Phelps
Retweeted by Terrelle Pryor
March 5th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Train Like A Pro App @TrainLikeAPro06
Leaders are OVERCOMERS!
Retweeted by Terrelle Pryor
Twitter
March 5th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
#MyWordsRT @alliseeisstates: @TerrellePryor “I don’t want anything given to me, i want to work for everything and i want to earn it..”
Twitter
March 5th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Code just win
March 5th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
I think Reggie is likely to sit out days 1, 2 and 3 of free agency. Then go dumpster diving for bargains.
***
@G123
co-signed
2013 slogans are GO CHEAP & GO DEEP!
March 5th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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, n no game tape on Pryor
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wtf does that mean?
smh
March 5th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Not blaming Palmer for everything Paradise, but new OC and OL coach. They both have to learn it, and like I said, may the best man win! I’ll support whoever is out there at QB!
March 5th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
@RaidersAllDay…
rewtweets = starting NFL QB.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
guest123 Says:
How many more seasons to get all this dead and decaying contracts off the books? Realistically.
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It’s not fixed proposition. It never ends. All teams have it and always will. We can better our situation and that’s what Reggies job security hinges on.
But your question is like asking when will I get all this crap out of my system so I can eat whatever I want.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Right miss tick tick? Tell your son to keep working hard his chance will come
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i dont have tell him any thing
lol
Im sure he hears that every day from dhb dmo17 and ford while they follow his lead grinding away at laney college this off season
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Okay thanks miss tick tick err mrs.pryor
March 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
2013 slogans are GO CHEAP & GO DEEP!
LOL, Rockstar!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
down and distance?!?!?!
hahahahahahaha
wow
March 5th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
223.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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Down n distance , n no game tape on Pryor
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so if the running game was bad last year and that is an excuse for palmer, and the running game was equally bad for pryor (minus pryor himself), then you’re basicaly admitting that pryor helped with the down and distance, therefore helping us convert 3rd downs…there’s no way around that one. no game tape on pryor is an ok statement, but that same exact chargers team didn’t have tape on Carson, mcfadden and the new raider offense week 1 and they still held them to 33% 3rd down conversions. so that doesn’t hold that well either.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Agree Hwnrdr.
I will support anyone under center but this offense and OC was picked to fit carson.
Power run game with a down the field passing attack…
The west coast was ugly horrible fit for him, remember knapp and DA,
“carson is athletic enough to roll-out”
lmao
Time will tell what will happen in OAK but Pryor as of now has to beat Palmer, who knows maybe palmer flopps ahrd in camp from injury and can’t get healthy. then Pryor will have his oppurtunity.
March 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
The raiders are bull shtn, they need to be suring up that lb core. They should be scheduling visits for Larry grant and Daryl Smith also resigning phillip wheeler.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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, n no game tape on Pryor
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wtf does that mean?
smh
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If you had brain bigger than a peanut you might have understood,
But let me clear it up for you , down n distance means less yards to go on3 rd down to get a first down and no game tape on Pryor means D didn’t know his strengths and weaknesses
Get it miss tick tick?
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
mac tea bags 20
please explain how “down n distance’
helped pryor post a better 3rd down % than palmer
this should be a riot
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
True, Paradise! Fair enough!
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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True, but who were the guys that stepped up for TP?
DHB 2 catches 13 yards and a TD, Moore one catch for 5 yards and a TD? These are the starting WRs!
So who got the yards…Brandon Meyers 4 catches 53 yards and Streeter 4 catches for 77 yards…
Mistic say what you want, but TP was looking for Meyers all game long…still he is only #2 TE.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
@RaidersAllDay…
rewtweets = starting NFL QB.
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Nah its a mentality and work ethic your average person doesnt get.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Holy crap this channel just keeps playing the same thing over and over!!! STOP IT!!! Racist and trolls are boring! Say something different!!
March 5th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
That’s becuase Meyers became Palmer’s security blanket! Moore somehow lost chemistry with Palmer…maybe because of teh injuries, who knows!
March 5th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Hue Jackson offered GM job in 2009 according to him
After only one season in charge of the Raiders and after going a respectable 8-8, the organization fired coach Hue Jackson after the 2011 season, and just like that, Jackson disappeared into the anonymous world of former coaches searching for assistant gigs (Jackson found a home, again, in Cincinnati).
But while recently talking to Sports Illustrated’s Jim Trotter, Jackson wondered what might have been if he had taken a job offered to him by late Raiders owner Al Davis in 2009.
That job: Raiders general manager.
Oakland already had hired Jackson as the team’s offensive coordinator under then-head coach Tom Cable, but Davis apparently respected Jackson enough to offer him the GM job. Jackson told Trotter that the reason he didn’t take the job was because he loved coaching too much.
“Jackson says he turned it down because his passion is coaching and working with players,” Trotter writes. “He says he and Davis never discussed him taking the head coach position — contrary to speculation that he accepted the coordinator position with an eye on the top job.”
Eventually, of course, Davis hired Jackson for the head coaching job, but after Davis died and his son, Mark Davis, took over ownership of the team, the Raiders hired GM Reggie McKenzie — who then wanted to hire his own coach and released Jackson.
If Jackson had taken the GM job, Mark Davis, of course, still could have fired him and brought in his own general manager. But as we so often see, the coach is fired before the owner lets go of his GM. That means there’s a pretty decent chance Jackson would still be the Raiders GM if he had accepted Al Davis’ offer in the first place.
For more NFL news, rumors and analysis, follow @EyeOnNFL on Twitter, and subscribe to our Pick-6 Podcast and NFL newsletter. You can follow Josh Katzowitz on Twitter here: @joshkatzowitz.
Tags: Oakland Raiders, NFL
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21817641/hue-jackson-says-al-davis-offered-him-raiders-gm-job-in-2009
March 5th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
It helps when the other team doesn’t have game tape on you, which allows you to be more successful on 1st n 2nd downs hence it puts you in shorter 3rd down situations = which leads to better 3rd down conversion rate , it’s not a rocket science
March 5th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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No, they didn’t. And it certainly wasn’t Pryor. For you and all others with rose colored hindsight, here’s the ugly play by play truth.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
March 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
@RaidersAllDay…
rewtweets = starting NFL QB.
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Nah its a mentality and work ethic your average person doesnt get
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Nah, it sounds more like Mark “We’re a no excuse basketball team” Jackson while the dubs get hammered by the 76ers last week.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Hue made two big moves as GM: The Aaron Curry trade and the Carson Palmer trade. Both bombed.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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True, but who were the guys that stepped up for TP?
DHB 2 catches 13 yards and a TD, Moore one catch for 5 yards and a TD? These are the starting WRs!
So who got the yards…Brandon Meyers 4 catches 53 yards and Streeter 4 catches for 77 yards…
Mistic say what you want, but TP was looking for Meyers all game long…still he is only #2 TE.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
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i dont care about number of catches or yards
tds win games dmo17 and dhb both scored menaing they had a huge impact on the game.
1 td trumps 4 catches
March 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Miss tick tick tick
March 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Hue Jax turned down the GM job to be OC?
LOL!!
now i’ve heard it all
March 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Nah, it sounds more like Mark “We’re a no excuse basketball team” Jackson while the dubs get hammered by the 76ers last week.
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Nah it sounds like a 23 yr with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove. Lets see someone get in his way
March 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
I bet Hue turned down the Bengals HC job to be asst ST coach too!
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Wonder if D. Moore is going to be traded? Seems like he is missing from the TP workouts…just curious.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Hugo Chavez, Dead.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
To me Palmers favorite target is Streater at WR.
They had timing and that was the only player who separated on the deep ball, Moore was wildy inconsistent and DHB was embarassing at times trying to get off coverage.
Ford will help the #1 and #2 when he is in the slot.
#1 Streater
#2 Moore
#3 Ford (slot)
#4 Hagan the vet
#5 Criner developing
imo DHB will be cut if he doesn’t restructure.
Due for 7.7 million in 2013
gulp.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Raiders had 7 points heading into the 4th than scores 2 TDs with less than 6 mins to with Chargers holding a comfortable lead , n Pryor boot lickers got excited
When Palmer does that, oh he’s just padding his stats
March 5th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
we don’t know if cp or pryor get run at qb for the Raiders this year. But whoever it is we want them to succeed. anyone that doesn’t feel this way, fu#k your mother
March 5th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Nah its a mentality and work ethic your average person doesnt get
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LoL sounds like Tebow.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Mcfadden20
Could Palmer get “one year older” syndrome or is it just exclusive to black DTs? If so, Jenkins better watch out. Why oh why didn’t we recognize the signs from Kelly much earlier? He kept calling Marquette King, Reggie Roby……..Roby has been dead since ‘05 smh
March 5th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Hugo Chavez, Dead.
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sux
March 5th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Pryors fan boys always embarrassing themselves
March 5th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Raiders had 7 points heading into the 4th than scores 2 TDs with less than 6 mins to with Chargers holding a comfortable lead , n Pryor boot lickers got excited
When Palmer does that, oh he’s just padding his stats
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wow! burnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnt!!!!
nice one.
If Pryor threw for 4,000 yards in a 4-12 season everyone would be talking about him like Newton.
Palmer does it and its all garbage yards, he’s done, etc…
March 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Wonder if D. Moore is going to be traded? Seems like he is missing from the TP workouts…just curious.
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he is on the right side
http://instagram.com/p/WSvj-1LI_P/
March 5th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
LoL sounds like Tebow.
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Lol but he is Terrelle Pryor and who reggie went on record with mike Florio saying loves the work ethic and can be starting qb.. its up to him
Nobody is giving tebow a chance right now. Pryor has a chance
March 5th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Mcfadden20
Could Palmer get “one year older” syndrome or is it just exclusive to black DTs? If so, Jenkins better watch out. Why oh why didn’t we recognize the signs from Kelly much earlier? He kept calling Marquette King, Reggie Roby……..Roby has been dead since ‘05 smh
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Yes it applies to everybody, I don’t want them to go after Jenkins but he be better situational player than bilukidi
March 5th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Hugo Chavez, Dead
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Good riddance. I expect Sean Penn to start eulogizing him any minute now…
March 5th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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True, but who were the guys that stepped up for TP?
DHB 2 catches 13 yards and a TD, Moore one catch for 5 yards and a TD? These are the starting WRs!
So who got the yards…Brandon Meyers 4 catches 53 yards and Streeter 4 catches for 77 yards…
Mistic say what you want, but TP was looking for Meyers all game long…still he is only #2 TE.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
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the quarterback is supposed to get his receivers involved. the receivers should always be more of a weapon than the TE.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Hue was probably a gig watching AD GM and interning I’d believe that because of the way they worked together during his tenure. I also believe that he accepted the OC job knowing that he would get the HC job a year later. If not he would have went to Chicago to join Smith’s staff with higher pay and a better roster
March 5th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
There you go Kaufman, always reliable Kook throws down some non-sequitur random south american dictator post to shake things up.
Now back to your regular programming of bickering and nonsence…
March 5th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Generalissimo Francisco Franco, Dead.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
The postmaster brought along news yesterday that initially elated many Raider fans, but then gave way to many questions. It was announced right guard Mike Brisiel restructured his contract yesterday, a move that was originally speculated as a paycut, but turned out to be more of a standard slash and convert deal according to a release from his agent Jeff Sperbeck.
Brisiel converted $3,000,000 of his former $4,350,000 base salary into a guaranteed roster bonus, to be paid after the start of the new league year. While this lowered Brisiel’s 2013 cap number to $2,810,000 from $5,060,000, a savings of $2,250,000, it also added $750,000 to each of his remaining cap hits. Though this got the Raiders roughly $1,500,000 under the cap, it’s a seemingly strange move by General Manager Reggie McKenzie considering Brisiel’s notoriety of being a ZBS fit, the system the Raiders are moving away from, and Brisiel’s perhaps injury influenced poor performance in 2012.
The Raiders would have only been on the hook for $2,240,000 in dead money had they severed ties with Brisiel this offseason, and now if they deem him a poor fit going forward, would be on the hook for $3,930,000 in dead money after the season. Despite coming in less than his cap hit in 2014 of $5,310,000, it is an additional $1,690,000 of would be dead money, though the Raiders project to be in much better shape after the 2013 season and would likely be in a better position to absorb the hit.
Perhaps Mr. McKenzie sees something in Mike Brisiel that spurred him to work something out to give Brisiel another chance, or perhaps many other things one could only speculate on, but I’m sure we’ll be revisiting this contract one way or another come next offseason.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Hue was a great OC. That I still believe and would welcome.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Dec 10, 2007 – Sunday, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez rolled his country’s clocks back by 30 minutes, creating a time zone unique to Venezuela.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
JLofty Says:
There you go Kaufman, always reliable Kook throws down some non-sequitur random south american dictator post to shake things up.
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Inspired me.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
siiiigghhhh
March 5th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Hue Jax turned down the GM job to be OC?
LOL!!
now i’ve heard it all
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LMFAO
March 5th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Laters Nation! Catch ya in the AM!
March 5th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
261.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Raiders had 7 points heading into the 4th than scores 2 TDs with less than 6 mins to with Chargers holding a comfortable lead , n Pryor boot lickers got excited
When Palmer does that, oh he’s just padding his stats
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so basically pryor did the same thing in his 1 start that palmer did for 75% of his 9th season. and we are gonna talk abot him being terrible. at least pryor fans (myself) can admit that he has faults and needs to improve, we don’t blame everyone else for pryor not having good stats or for losing the game. palmer lovers say nothing is his fault and let’s blame everyone else because hey, he there for 4,000 yards. The defense sucked, there was no running game, greg knapp sucked, the offensive line was horrible, special teams sucked, receivers sucked, he had no weapons (sound familiar). TP was playing under the same circumstances as palmer…but because he didn’t play like a superstar in his first start he is terrible. get over yourselves. the only stats u palmer lovers ever throw out is 4,000 yards for palmer and 46% completion for pryor (actually u guys say 40%, way to overexxagerate to try and make your point). there are a lot of other stats that a qb has impact on. but u guys don’t take account for any of those stats. At least I know pryor isn’t a finished product and needs to improve, don’t hate and talk sh!t and call me an idiot because i want him to succeed and I saw something in that game that gets me excited about him as our future qb. especially when you guys are doing the same thing about a 33 yr old guy who has lost twice as many games he has won since becoming the starter.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Well all those who said Pryor had only one start so don’t blame him and juge him.
Reggie & DA had first season/start if you will.
Patience last about 3 years in the NFL.
So year 3 will be the kicker for everybody.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
250.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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No, they didn’t. And it certainly wasn’t Pryor. For you and all others with rose colored hindsight, here’s the ugly play by play truth.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
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the stats 53% 3rd down conversions doesn’t lie, u can actually see it in that article. should i show u the play by play stats of the 2011 gb game? how bout baltimore 2012? new orleans? miami? the first SD game? cincy? either denver game? those are way more ugly than the SD game week 17
March 5th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
281.J Hill Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Hue Jax turned down the GM job to be OC?
LOL!!
now i’ve heard it all
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LMFAO
++++++++++
Where is John Herrera when you need him?
March 5th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Agree Hwnrdr.
I will support anyone under center but this offense and OC was picked to fit carson.
Power run game with a down the field passing attack…
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except carson only completed 30% of his passes that traveled 20 yds or more last year. there goes your down the field passing attack.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Pass on Jenkins please
March 5th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Agree Hwnrdr.
I will support anyone under center but this offense and OC was picked to fit carson.
Power run game with a down the field passing attack…
The west coast was ugly horrible fit for him, remember knapp and DA,
“carson is athletic enough to roll-out”
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He is actually… Knapp just never called any plays where he did it. Which rendered the ZBS completely worthless. Without a threat of a counter, all the LBs have to do is flood to the side the play is going to, and cut McF down before he gets going.
You never watched Shannirat teams in Denver without their QB bootlegging at least 10 times a game.
We saw Carson bootleg, what, 10 times all season? I remember people asking in pre-season… WHERES THE BOOTLEG WE HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT??? Dont they have to practice it???
Knapp forgot it is part of the ZBS. ABJECT IDIOT. The offense was dead in the water in pre-season.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
walking players in FA could be …
Kelly, Seymour, Shaugnhessy, Bryant, Toffelson, Andre Carter
left: Bilukidi, Crawford, Houston
ummmm?
March 5th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Agree Hwnrdr.
I will support anyone under center but this offense and OC was picked to fit carson.
Power run game with a down the field passing attack…
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except carson only completed 30% of his passes that traveled 20 yds or more last year. there goes your down the field passing attack.
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Hard to throw deep when you are third in the league in hurries, man.
Another reason to BOOTLEG… which Knapp never heard about. Worst OC in the history of the NFL.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
The offense was dead in the water in pre-season.
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Morons don’t believe pre-season tells you anything.
They said Knapp’s offense would score 30pts per game.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Carson can throw downfield. When you have worst run game in NFL, and sketchy at best pass protection, you can drop back and wait for Palmer to dump short to McFadden and in seam to Myers.
Know football before you talk.
Play Action is not play action without a run threat.
ABC’s of passing game in todays NFL.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Maaaann…….. If DMAC was KILLIN’ it like he HAD been , that Bootleg woulda’ been MONEY.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Post #284
So Hue deserved 2 more years?
March 5th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
291.Gdog Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Agree Hwnrdr.
I will support anyone under center but this offense and OC was picked to fit carson.
Power run game with a down the field passing attack…
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except carson only completed 30% of his passes that traveled 20 yds or more last year. there goes your down the field passing attack.
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Hard to throw deep when you are third in the league in hurries, man.
Another reason to BOOTLEG… which Knapp never heard about. Worst OC in the history of the NFL.
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where did u find that stat about hurries? i can’t find it. if it were true than yea that could help explain it. but the only offensive line stats I see is that our O line was 4th in the nfl is pass blocking (sacks allowed). that means they gave up the 4th LEAST amount of sacks.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
March 5th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Yeah, Pre-season has historically been EXTREMELY telling…..
March 5th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Afternoon, all.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
The biggest problem last year was not Knapp, but Frank Pollack.
Hard to know how good Knapp’s offense was when DMac had no running lanes and Palmer had to rush every throw.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
I am talking about just moving his base salary to roster bonus with no pay cut for Brisell. RM could have saved 2.82 million this year by cutting him and not had the cap hit next year. Briesell has been injured and terrible why does he deserve anything over vet minimum at this point? Also he may not fit the PBS system very well. I did not like the move last year to sign him and I like this move even less.
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Yeah its a fkin horrible decision by Reggie. I gave him props yesterday and said cutting Briesel pay by 3mil was the second best decision he has made so far (signing Wheeler was his first) but now that the real facts have come out this is his worse move to date (His first was signing Brisel to a big contract in the first place). I went from thinkin maybe Reggie will do good things this off season in regards to contracts/players but now Im thinkin it will be more of the same, we will probably restructure, Kelly, Palmer, DHB, Huff, Branch etc…….. instead of tellin them to take a paycut or get cut, lets just hand out more of Marks money and give all these players a huge bonus up front and dump more DEAD MONEY into future years smh
March 5th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
severeraiderz Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Post #284
So Hue deserved 2 more years?
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I honestly would say so.
Too many terrible things happened that year, and He was responsibel for Curry and Palmer deals, might as well make him prove Palmer trade than pass it on to a another first time head coach (D minded only).
March 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Knapp called a 3yd out on 3rd & 5, 3rd & 10, 3rd & 15.
Or Ran Dmac to the left sideline or right sideline.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
293.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Carson can throw downfield. When you have worst run game in NFL, and sketchy at best pass protection, you can drop back and wait for Palmer to dump short to McFadden and in seam to Myers.
Know football before you talk.
Play Action is not play action without a run threat.
ABC’s of passing game in todays NFL.
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stop trying to insult my intelligence because u disagree. I’m sure if you googled both our names my name would come up wit plenty of football sites because i played, i know this because it has been done. our offensive line was ranked 4th in the nfl in sacks allowed. thats 4th best, as in least amount of sacks. look at stats before u talk.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
293.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Carson can throw downfield. When you have worst run game in NFL, and sketchy at best pass protection, you can drop back and wait for Palmer to dump short to McFadden and in seam to Myers.
Know football before you talk.
Play Action is not play action without a run threat.
ABC’s of passing game in todays NFL.
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even when mcfadden wasn’t running well they still stacked the box against him, therefore he was still a threat. just because u don’t get numbers doesn’t mean teams aren’t keying on u. a lot of times its the opposite. and GB’s play action and long passing game worked just fine with a worse running game and the worst pass protecting o line n the nfl minus maybe the cards. saints the same way.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Raidersinparadise
I completely agree. Give him a year with his own staff and if he bombs, dump him.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
the stats 53% 3rd down conversions doesn’t lie,
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Neither does 2 for 9 in the 3rd quarter when the game actually mattered. Pryor blows.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
The Bootleg
One feature you’ll find in virtually every zone-blocking offense is the extensive use of the bootleg pass. The final method of avoiding pass rushers is to move the quarterback out of the way, and the play-action bootleg is supremely suited to this tactic.
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ZBS 101.
Can you count all the CP bootlegs on both hands from last season, or just one??
This offense was DOA.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Citizen Dildo Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
[snip]
Perhaps Mr. McKenzie sees something in Mike Brisiel that spurred him to work something out to give Brisiel another chance, or perhaps many other things one could only speculate on, …..
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Didn’t IGAG report that Mrs. Brisiel is the night manager at IHOP?
March 5th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Knapp called a 3yd out on 3rd & 5, 3rd & 10, 3rd & 15.
Or Ran Dmac to the left sideline or right sideline.
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Drove me up the Gawd Damned WALL man….
I think I may have cracked one of my Molars from gnashing my teeth so hard.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Hugo Chavez, Dead.
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Who???
March 5th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
the stats 53% 3rd down conversions doesn’t lie,
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Neither does 2 for 9 in the 3rd quarter when the game actually mattered. Pryor blows.
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Palmer converted 35%. He really blows. Lol.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Knapp called a 3yd out on 3rd & 5, 3rd & 10, 3rd & 15.
Or Ran Dmac to the left sideline or right sideline.
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You know why? Because Pollack’s cruddy line couldn’t hold off a pass rush long enough for even DHB to run a 15-yard route, and couldn’t open any holes for DMac to run inside (and even when they did, DMac didn’t take the right one, but that’s a whole other conversation).
March 5th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
J Hill Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Hugo Chavez, Dead.
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Who???
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Venezuelan dictator.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Knapp called a 3yd out on 3rd & 5, 3rd & 10, 3rd & 15.
Or Ran Dmac to the left sideline or right sideline.
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Drove me up the Gawd Damned WALL man…
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Drove me up the Gawdamned Wall, too. Most of the season was soooo predictable and unwatchable.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
where did u find that stat about hurries? i can’t find it. if it were true than yea that could help explain it. but the only offensive line stats I see is that our O line was 4th in the nfl is pass blocking (sacks allowed). that means they gave up the 4th LEAST amount of sacks.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
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Somebody posted it here in an attempt to portray CP as a bust… he was in the middle of the league in passing efficiency while hurried. What it also showed was he was third in the league in TOTAL hurries. Vick was first (no surprise) and Luck was second.
Sorry, I didn’t bookmark the page.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
P-man….
*Elvis Presley voice*
Llama ask you a question….
*end Presley voice*
How the %^$%$&%^* are ya?!
March 5th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Well hypocrite …
Disagreements I see.
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win, thats not saying much maybe, but its the honest truth at the moment.
Thats the truth.
The SD game was a pre-season game anyway for both teams. Pryor did some nice htings in red zone and 3rd down against a bad team.
Did you watch Palmer against Steelers? thats the cieling, when we have a run game working and protect him, he can win games, no huddle, hurry up, 2 min drill, dirve his team down and win against a good team.
Look you don’t have to try to trash me, Palmer is better than Pryor, thats an easy assesment to make.
I do want Pryor to be the guy when he proves it, maybe that due to injury he gets a chance, or great when he comes in for packages, or flat out just has a better camp and pre-season, but even like he said himself HE WANTS TO EARN IT.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ZBS 101.
Can you count all the CP bootlegs on both hands from last season, or just one??
This offense was DOA.
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Probably just 1 hand……Just about every 1 of them got exploded because there was ZERO respect for our run game, or Palmer didn’t audible out when the Blitz was obvious…..
I remember the Boot “Set-up” worked out perfectly once, the D “Sold Out” and Palmer rolled around with nobody to dodge. Stood there bouncing on his toes, looking left, and right for what felt like EVER….then ended up checking it down for like 3 yards or an incompletion; I don’t remember.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Kell, have you posted anything worth reading in the last twelve hours. I’m debating reading the older posts and your contributions weigh so heavily in my decision-making.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
306.Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
the stats 53% 3rd down conversions doesn’t lie,
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Neither does 2 for 9 in the 3rd quarter when the game actually mattered. Pryor blows.
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carson palmer 1st quarter vs. cincinatii. 2-7 9 yds, 2 sacks. palmer blows also.
palmer 3rd quart against SD week 1:
3rd and 2 – pass incomplete to hagan – Pass interference gave 1st down.
3rd and 2 – palmer pass complete to myers for NO GAIN, on 3rd and 2…. punt
two 3 and outs, and a 7 and out only because of a defensive penalty.
go into the 4th losing 16-6
Palmer blows just as much…
3rd and 3 – palmer pass complete to mcfadden for 2 yards..2 yards on 3rd and F-ing 3….punt
3rd and 13 – pass incomplete short to streater.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Hugo Chavez, Dead.
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he will truly be missed
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
The 3rd down conversions issue is on Reggie as much as anyone. Should’ve gone out and at least considered a receiver like Plax who could move the chains and help out in the red zone. Just abandoned that need last year, much like an edge rusher on D. You look at Tom Brady and he’s got 3 of those guys to turn to — Gronkowski, Welker and Hernansez — to keep drives alivee and thus more points on the board. Who did Palmer have? We all know Myers’ specialty is turning 3rd anand into 4th and 1. DHB doesn’t have the sure hands to be that guy. Criner is too slow. Streater was too raw. And Moore was too often lost.
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Scourge Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Kell, have you posted anything worth reading in the last twelve hours.
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You mother has crabs, and a nasty crotch?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
^… another punt
3rd quart two 3 and outs, and 1 7 and out because of a defensive penalty. 3 possessions, 3 punts. 2 3rd down passses short of the line to gain.when the game actually mattered…
palmer blows as well.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
PFF premium had it… total pressure allowed Oak was 11th.
Thats 11th WORST. 169 total pressure allowed.
Indy was number one in 244… no doubt they will be drafting o-line this year!
March 5th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Hugo Chavez, Dead.
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he will truly be missed
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By nobody.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
You look at Tom Brady and he’s got 3 of those guys to turn to — Gronkowski, Welker and Hernansez — to keep drives alivee and thus more points on the board. Who did Palmer have?
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You people can sure make some silly comparisons.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
I don’t think we should throw a ton of cash at Jenkins. He may be past his prime and I’d probably take TK over him if the money were equal. Most importantly, McIhop needs to focus the dline money on re-signing Bryant and getting some legitimate edge rushers.-
March 5th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
That Oak was 11th in most pressures allowed while 28th in sacks allowed is something really.
Hate to break into the CP vs Pryor wars for something like this. Maybe some of the Palmer-haters can figure out why it is important, but I won’t be holding my breath.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
How’s that, Kell? You don’t think the quality of receivers matters?
And what do you mean by “You people”?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Scourge Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Kell, have you posted anything worth reading in the last twelve hours.
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You mother has crabs, and a nasty crotch?
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In other words, no. just what I thought. Thanks. It saves me some reading.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
walking players in FA could be …
Kelly, Seymour, Shaugnhessy, Bryant, Toffelson, Andre Carter
left: Bilukidi, Crawford, Houston
ummmm?
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Agree with point you are making but Kelly and Toffleson under contract but may be cut.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
How’s that, Kell? You don’t think the quality of receivers matters?
And what do you mean by “You people”?
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The Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning comparisons to Carson Palmer are ridiculous.
Great QB’s make people around them better.
“You People” = Palmer excuse makers, in this case. Lol.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
You people can sure make some silly comparisons.
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I can? When? Where? Your face and my ass?!
March 5th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
I’m all for keeping Kelly and DHB at reduced salaries. Started as Raiders, why not finish it out.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
317.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Well hypocrite …
Disagreements I see.
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win, thats not saying much maybe, but its the honest truth at the moment.
Thats the truth.
The SD game was a pre-season game anyway for both teams. Pryor did some nice htings in red zone and 3rd down against a bad team.
Did you watch Palmer against Steelers? thats the cieling, when we have a run game working and protect him, he can win games, no huddle, hurry up, 2 min drill, dirve his team down and win against a good team.
Look you don’t have to try to trash me, Palmer is better than Pryor, thats an easy assesment to make.
I do want Pryor to be the guy when he proves it, maybe that due to injury he gets a chance, or great when he comes in for packages, or flat out just has a better camp and pre-season, but even like he said himself HE WANTS TO EARN IT.
palmer against the steelers is palmers ceiling. and we still lose that game if wheeler doesn’t force a fumble late in the 4th.
we don’t know what pryors ceiling is. it could be week 17 against sd or it could be Kaepernik vs. the steelers in the playoffs. olson said it perfectly, and it isn’t a knock on either player. Pryor’s ceiling is crazy high, they don’t even know what it could possibly be. they know exactly what palmer is. if barely beating a team that didn’t even make the playoffs, while it was missing 3 key starters (polamalu, harrison, and woodley) is our ceiling with palmer, I’ll pass.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
250.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
of course blame the receivers. then how can u explain that same supporting cast converting 53% of 3rd downs when pryor was qb? did they somehow get a lot better?
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No, they didn’t. And it certainly wasn’t Pryor. For you and all others with rose colored hindsight, here’s the ugly play by play truth.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
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If only that was the whole truth. For all we know from that PBP, those incompletions could have been on the money throws dropped by wide open receivers, or terrible throws nowhere near the intended target. As someone who watched the game I know the truth is somewhere in the middle. Please remove your poo colored glasses so we can all try to exist in the real world.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
YO YO YO THE BEEECH DAWGS BACK N FULL EFFECT
Whut up Blog Goobs & KrappyRat
Just kicking it here at the Ritz, been doing cardio-yoga by the pool all day and my nads are sure sore
Gonna cruise Jer-Ne on the way back to the penthouse and see if there are any honies looking to get their mack on
Any of you see K-Rat drop his trusty “momma has crabs” blast? Poor Old Troll has been using that lame zinger for years, usually when he’s trashed on Malibu
Brahs I’m going to get straight silly on this blunt and call up a few wasted strippers, holla atcha all in an instant
WORDY WORD TO THE BIRDY BIRD
March 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Knapp’s offense essentially worked against the o-line strenghts, the RB’s strenghts, and WR strenghts, the whole scheme worked against personnel, it was obvious.
Palmer still threw for more than 4,000 yards to his credit, while Knapp was handicapping the best players, relying on his vet QB to make it happen.
Continually running RB’s into the back of linemen, only using a small amount of formations, making it cake for defenses and rarely using Reece and motion to disguise.
It was a mess.
it was ugly and everyone knows it.
The year was ugly all-together.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ZBS 101.
Can you count all the CP bootlegs on both hands from last season, or just one??
This offense was DOA.
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Probably just 1 hand……Just about every 1 of them got exploded because there was ZERO respect for our run game, or Palmer didn’t audible out when the Blitz was obvious…..
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Thats why I keep beating the drum for CP to run a no-huddle offense as often as PM and Brady! He is one of the best in the league at it behind these two, but for some reason one of the worst at running set plays.
He refuses to audible out of ridiculous situations for some reason. I don’t know how many times I was screaming for him to audible out of an 8-in-the-box only to see CP hand the ball off to McF up the gut.
This is something a REAL OC has to get fixed in order for the Raiders to take the next step up. How come there wasn’t a single person on the Raider offensive staff that could identify that problem when I am sitting there in my living room screaming about it??
March 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Gdog Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
That Oak was 11th in most pressures allowed while 28th in sacks allowed is something really.
Hate to break into the CP vs Pryor wars for something like this. Maybe some of the Palmer-haters can figure out why it is important, but I won’t be holding my breath.
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This is something I was bringing up about CP’s style vs. say Aaron Rogers. AR holds on to the ball scrambles and tries to avoid Interceptions and takes a lot of sacks. CP will throw the ball into coverage sometimes rather than take a sack especially on 3rd down. That increases his interception total but also if it is a fairly deep pass is it really that bad? Not all interceptions are equal. Even on earlier downs if you take a sack with this running game and lack of pass protection you might as well just punt.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
The 3rd down conversions issue is on Reggie as much as anyone. Should’ve gone out and at least considered a receiver like Plax
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if pryor made it happen at 53% with the same cast of characters as palmer, and jc before him than the surrounding talent is not the issue
its the qb
March 5th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Of course we didnt see the bootleg with palmer
HE STINKS AT IT!!!
watching him roll the pocket is like being sodomized with a chain saw
its painful
March 5th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
GDog
It seems to me Knapp had a system and a script and did not like coming out of it. Maybe Olsen will allow more on field tweaks. I sure hope so.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
329.Gdog Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
That Oak was 11th in most pressures allowed while 28th in sacks allowed is something really.
Hate to break into the CP vs Pryor wars for something like this. Maybe some of the Palmer-haters can figure out why it is important, but I won’t be holding my breath.
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actually the O line allowed the 5th least sacks, i dont know if that is what u meant by 28th in sacks but it is right there they are 5th in sacks allowed at 26.
they also allowed the 3 lowest numbers of QB hits at 52
here is the link:
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teamOL.php
March 5th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
interceptions are only negated when it is a hail mary play,
other than that turn overs will kill you
besides he also fumbled 5 times
March 5th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
J Hill Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
I’m all for keeping Kelly and DHB at reduced salaries. Started as Raiders, why not finish it out.
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I understand what you mean, and I agree in regards of DHB, but I think we should let Kelly go. I know he is massive, but I think he is part of the problem. All the time he’s been a raider the D’s been bad..
March 5th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Of course we didnt see the bootleg with palmer
HE STINKS AT IT!!!
watching him roll the pocket is like being sodomized with a chain saw
its painful
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Hello.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Of course we didnt see the bootleg with palmer
HE STINKS AT IT!!!
watching him roll the pocket is like being sodomized with a chain saw
its painful
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Hello.
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Who are you, RuPaul?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
340.Gdog Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ZBS 101.
Can you count all the CP bootlegs on both hands from last season, or just one??
This offense was DOA.
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Probably just 1 hand……Just about every 1 of them got exploded because there was ZERO respect for our run game, or Palmer didn’t audible out when the Blitz was obvious…..
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Thats why I keep beating the drum for CP to run a no-huddle offense as often as PM and Brady! He is one of the best in the league at it behind these two, but for some reason one of the worst at running set plays.
He refuses to audible out of ridiculous situations for some reason. I don’t know how many times I was screaming for him to audible out of an 8-in-the-box only to see CP hand the ball off to McF up the gut.
This is something a REAL OC has to get fixed in order for the Raiders to take the next step up. How come there wasn’t a single person on the Raider offensive staff that could identify that problem when I am sitting there in my living room screaming about it??
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there were 8 in the box on pretty much every 1st down play mcfadden was in, and a lot of 2nd down plays as well.. hence y we had much more success passing on 1st and 2nd down than 3rd down.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
BEEECH INA HAUS!!!
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Any of you see K-Rat drop his trusty “momma has crabs” blast? Poor Old Troll has been using that lame zinger for years, usually when he’s trashed on Malibu
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Whud I thought, Diggs. Any new lines?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
NGRaiderFan
I think that is what GDog is getting at. There were a lot of hurries meaning the rush was coming but the QB was getting rid of the ball quickly to reduce sacks and hits. This is a style with guys like Palmer or Farve or Cuttler they will sling it into coverage rather than take a sack. It increases their interceptions but improves yardage and and TDs and stats like that.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
317.raiderinparadise Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Well hypocrite …
Disagreements I see.
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win, thats not saying much maybe, but its the honest truth at the moment.
Thats the truth.
The SD game was a pre-season game anyway for both teams. Pryor did some nice htings in red zone and 3rd down against a bad team.
Did you watch Palmer against Steelers? thats the cieling, when we have a run game working and protect him, he can win games, no huddle, hurry up, 2 min drill, dirve his team down and win against a good team.
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YUP!!! THANK YOU!!
If our new OC’s aren’t pouring over the tape of that game and emulating what happened there for a game plan next season, we are truly screwed. We hired another herd of narcissistic morons.
A combination of no-huddle for CP and running plays designed to get McF into open spaces could be dangerous!
A commitment to downfield blocking and red zone offense would help too.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Bengals’ Jackson claims Al Davis offered GM job in 2009
By The Sports Xchange | The SportsXchange – 1 hour 27 minutes ago
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Cincinnati Bengals running backs coach Hue Jackson told SI.com that he’s confused by a perception as a power-hungry, me-first guy in NFL circles.
In an interview with Sports Illustrated’s Jim Trotter, the former Oakland Raiders head coach said he doesn’t understand how his career trajectory went from that of a fast-rising, offensive-minded head coach to an unworthy choice to lead an organization.
Jackson was lauded as assistant while with the Washington Redskins, Bengals, Atlanta Falcons and Baltimore Ravens, and during two seasons in Oakland, including as the head coach in 2011. With the Raiders, he transformed a 31st-ranked offense (in 2009) to 10th in 2010, then ninth in 2011 in total yards.
Jackson said he doesn’t know what has happened since, but denies the notion that he’s an opportunist who will crush anyone aside to get ahead. After being fired by new general manager Reggie McKenzie following the 2011 season, Jackson had struggled to find work until landing with the Bengals. He told SI.com that he received one interview for a coordinator position this winter despite eight teams changing head coaches.
“Sometimes these things are about comfort hires,” said one executive, who asked to not be named. “It’s hard to hire a very confident individual that has stepped out of the box, so to speak, which Hue has on occasion. When head coaches are making that hire, they’re going to be a little cautious because they feel he might threaten their position. You have some who don’t hire someone who’s more qualified and might take their job and hurt their credibility. The people who are successful in this business don’t think that way, but you have some who do.”
Jackson claims that before being hired as offensive coordinator in 2009, late Raiders owner Al Davis offered him the GM job. Jackson said he turned that down because he wanted to coach. He added that he and Davis never spoke about him eventually becoming head coach, despite rumors that he accepted the coordinator gig as a stepping down to becoming head coach.
With the Bengals, Jackson only sees a new chance to prove himself.
“I get surprised by some of the things that are said about me,” Jackson told SI.com. “Look, I’m not shy. A lot of people in this business go along to get along, and I respect that. But when you ask me an honest question, I’m going to give you an honest answer. I don’t think some people like that sometimes. But this thing is about winning. That’s what it’s always been. Some people don’t like that. Some people run from confrontation. I don’t run from confrontation. I never have. Some people want you to cower, and there is a time for all of that. But if you ask me something I’m going to tell you.”
March 5th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
there were 8 in the box on pretty much every 1st down play mcfadden was in, and a lot of 2nd down plays as well.. hence y we had much more success passing on 1st and 2nd down than 3rd down.
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That is the case for almost any team unless you have 3rd in 2 or 3 where they have to respect the draw or off tackle run.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Jackson claims that before being hired as offensive coordinator in 2009, late Raiders owner Al Davis offered him the GM job. Jackson said he turned that down because he wanted to coach. He added that he and Davis never spoke about him eventually becoming head coach, despite rumors that he accepted the coordinator gig as a stepping down to becoming head coach.
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Wow that’s scary. The engineer behind the Palmer to Oakland trade and the Curry trade would have been our GM???
March 5th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
“Jackson claims that before being hired as offensive coordinator in 2009, late Raiders owner Al Davis offered him the GM job. Jackson said he turned that down because he wanted to coach. He added that he and Davis never spoke about him eventually becoming head coach, despite rumors that he accepted the coordinator gig as a stepping down to becoming head coach.”
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Hue… you’re killing me man. Stop it! No, really…
March 5th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
whats planet are we on?
now breaking wind 1960 is trying to spin it that INTERCEPTIONS ARE OK?
DID YOU REALLY JUST COMPARE PALMER AND FARVE?!?!?!
check the trophy case to find the difference between the two
March 5th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
lol…
March 5th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I’m laughing because 2 people posted about the same paragraph at the same time with basically the same opinion.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
“Sometimes these things are about comfort hires,” said one executive, who asked to not be named. “It’s hard to hire a very confident individual that has stepped out of the box, so to speak, which Hue has on occasion. When head coaches are making that hire, they’re going to be a little cautious because they feel he might threaten their position. You have some who don’t hire someone who’s more qualified and might take their job and hurt their credibility. The people who are successful in this business don’t think that way, but you have some who do.” -old boys network rep
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“I get surprised by some of the things that are said about me,” Jackson told SI.com. “Look, I’m not shy. A lot of people in this business go along to get along, and I respect that. But when you ask me an honest question, I’m going to give you an honest answer. I don’t think some people like that sometimes. But this thing is about winning. That’s what it’s always been. Some people don’t like that. Some people run from confrontation. I don’t run from confrontation. I never have. Some people want you to cower, and there is a time for all of that. But if you ask me something I’m going to tell you.” -hu jack
so it seems unless you look like rex ryan just shut up and coach
hmmmmm very very suspicious
March 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
there were 8 in the box on pretty much every 1st down play mcfadden was in, and a lot of 2nd down plays as well.. hence y we had much more success passing on 1st and 2nd down than 3rd down.
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LOL……..Stretch Right / Stretch Left / Pitch Right….5yd Pass / PUNT……
At this point, I have to laugh or I’ll start Pounding my desk
March 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
NGRaiderFan
I think that is what GDog is getting at. There were a lot of hurries meaning the rush was coming but the QB was getting rid of the ball quickly to reduce sacks and hits. This is a style with guys like Palmer or Farve or Cuttler they will sling it into coverage rather than take a sack. It increases their interceptions but improves yardage and and TDs and stats like that.
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My theory is that the Knapp and maybe even more so DA (grrrrr) did nothing besides try to get Palmer to cut down on his turnovers to the point it was killing the offense.
CP is never going to have a Gannon-like efficiency. He’s always going to make some horrible throws. Same as Eli Manning. You just deal with it. You just try to take advantage of his good traits and live the bad.
You didn’t try to design an offense around Brett Farve that eliminates his errors. It would be insanity.
The insanity ends now I hope. Or we simply dump him and get used to losing for another few years… which seems to be favored by the Palmer-haters here.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Mystic
I am breaking a pledge here but where in that post did I say interections are OK? What I said is not all intereceptions are equal. Thowing deep into coverage on thrid and long from your own 40 is not the same as throwing a intereception in the redzone where you throw away a field goal. Some guys have different styles and you need to account for that (as opposed to skin color which is what you fixate on).
And yes I just compared Farve to Palmer to Cuttler in terms of gunslinger style not in terms of how good they are. I know you can not understand such concepts and no I did not compare them together because they are all white.
Now back to Mystic boycott.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
March 5th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
355.1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
there were 8 in the box on pretty much every 1st down play mcfadden was in, and a lot of 2nd down plays as well.. hence y we had much more success passing on 1st and 2nd down than 3rd down.
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That is the case for almost any team unless you have 3rd in 2 or 3 where they have to respect the draw or off tackle run.
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i dont know if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me. not all teams get 8 in the box on 1st and 2nd down all the time. mainly when defenses fear the pass more than the run they will do that. our teams biggest threat to defenses was mcfadden, thhats y they stack 8 in the box every 1st down and most 2nd downs. teams like us, minnesota, kansas city, tennessee, etc. have that happen to us. teams like NE, Denver, GB, Atlanta, basiclly teams with eite qbs basically play with 7 on majority of downs. it’s nt a dis to anyone its just what teams want to take away. it will be the same next year, because as well as carson threw the ball, when teams took mcfadden away, we lost.
Pitt – 113 from dmc
KC – 114 from dmc
KC – 110 from dmc
the exception being jacksonville, because jacksonville sucked and insult was added to injury that their starting rb got hurt on first play and starting qb got hurt 1st half. if they were both healthy that day, the way we were playing, we would have the #2 overall pick.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Mistic still annoying you guys with his waste of comments ?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
whats planet are we on?
now breaking wind 1960 is trying to spin it that INTERCEPTIONS ARE OK?
DID YOU REALLY JUST COMPARE PALMER AND FARVE?!?!?!
check the trophy case to find the difference between the two
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I am pretty sure nobody is comparing trophy’s in the comparison.
The career int% is almost identical though.
Not that you would understand why that is a valid comparison.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Kim karmewton 13-19 ENUFF SAID !!
March 5th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
“Sometimes these things are about comfort hires,” said one executive, who asked to not be named. “It’s hard to hire a very confident individual that has stepped out of the box, so to speak, which Hue has on occasion. When head coaches are making that hire, they’re going to be a little cautious because they feel he might threaten their position. You have some who don’t hire someone who’s more qualified and might take their job and hurt their credibility. The people who are successful in this business don’t think that way, but you have some who do.” -old boys network rep
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“I get surprised by some of the things that are said about me,” Jackson told SI.com. “Look, I’m not shy. A lot of people in this business go along to get along, and I respect that. But when you ask me an honest question, I’m going to give you an honest answer. I don’t think some people like that sometimes. But this thing is about winning. That’s what it’s always been. Some people don’t like that. Some people run from confrontation. I don’t run from confrontation. I never have. Some people want you to cower, and there is a time for all of that. But if you ask me something I’m going to tell you.” -hu jack
so it seems unless you look like rex ryan just shut up and coach
hmmmmm very very suspicious
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you’re off base here, although there are probably owners that hate blacks or any non white race if they think he’ll win and thereby put more $ in their pockets they’ll hire him, even if they may rather have a guy that they can go to the horse races with
March 5th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
I just read the Jim Trotter si.com article on Hue Jack. Interesting to say the least..
I bet he tells the ladies at the beauty shop on mani/pedi day, that Al was going to cut Carol, and Mark out of the will. And, make him (Hue) heir to the throne….Woe is Hue…
March 5th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
What up Scourge Brah
K-Rat usually waddles for the hills when The Dawg comes a callin’, poor Old Troll lost his fight years ago
‘Bout the time the Beeech Diggity administered yet another lethal blog beat down on the old fool, his wife, and her bowl cut
Shout out to Big Daddy Kane
Yo, just puffed a mad spliff and now I’m going to cool my jets in a nice bubblebath
Probably sip a few Pina Coladas and sing a few joints from Wrecks N Effect
That’s just how them Big Dawgs Bark
WOOF WOOF MEOW
March 5th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
#366 – I am agreeing with you. When McFadden in on the whole team plays better because they don’t just show 8 in the box but they are actually playing 8 in the box because they need to slow him down. It would be better if Palmer did not need to throw for 300 yards a game. If McFad is on and we are getting 5 yards a carry on average and he is breaking a big run it makes Palmer’s job a lot easier and it also shortens the game for the defense.
Any team seems to do better throwing on first down rather than thrid down unless they are way behind and have abandoned the run.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Back later….not that anyone cares. hehe
March 5th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
363.Gdog Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
NGRaiderFan
I think that is what GDog is getting at. There were a lot of hurries meaning the rush was coming but the QB was getting rid of the ball quickly to reduce sacks and hits. This is a style with guys like Palmer or Farve or Cuttler they will sling it into coverage rather than take a sack. It increases their interceptions but improves yardage and and TDs and stats like that.
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My theory is that the Knapp and maybe even more so DA (grrrrr) did nothing besides try to get Palmer to cut down on his turnovers to the point it was killing the offense.
CP is never going to have a Gannon-like efficiency. He’s always going to make some horrible throws. Same as Eli Manning. You just deal with it. You just try to take advantage of his good traits and live the bad.
You didn’t try to design an offense around Brett Farve that eliminates his errors. It would be insanity.
The insanity ends now I hope. Or we simply dump him and get used to losing for another few years… which seems to be favored by the Palmer-haters here.
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but they were only 54 qb hits, so he might have felt the pressure, but there couldn’t have been that much pressure if he only got hit 54 times (actually less because leinhart and pryor probably got hit too. if we were top 4 in the league in qb hits give up (that means fewest given up)that means our o line was keeping him clean for the most part. He mght have felt pressure, but if you’re not getting hit, then how much pressure can there really be. He was getting the ball out faster than he had to. y, i do not know. like i pointed out in the 3rd quarter of the denver game. 3rd and 2 and he throws a pass that goes for no gain. ur gonnna tell me he didn’t have enough time to complete a 2 yd pass? later in the 3rd, next possesion in fact. third and 3 and he throws for 2 yds. yea those completions look cool on the stats sheet, he was 2/2 on third down competions, but we were 0/2 on conversions. and conversions were all that matter. this was my beef with palmer this season, his constant checking down on 3rd down and completing passes short of the 1st down marker constantly, consistently. he was pressured yes, but so does every qb. and u guys can say ur opinion all u want. but the stats actually show he wasn’t pressured that much. he needs to sit in there and make the throw.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Mystic
I am breaking a pledge here but where in that post did I say interections are OK? What I said is not all intereceptions are equal. Thowing deep into coverage on thrid and long from your own 40 is not the same as throwing a intereception in the redzone where you throw away a field goal. Some guys have different styles and you need to account for that
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please breaking wind your killing me
if the styl is throwing picks you will lose
ask cutler and palmer
farve and cutler at least have won in the playoffs but farve should have won more if it wasnt for the picks. in fact most of farves playoff runs ended with farve picks.
farve hall of fame because of tds and hardware
palmer hall of shame because of losses and picks
March 5th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
i agree with the notion that we should give decent money to one impact fato me that is jake long
March 5th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Kim newton #1 pick n still haven’t had a winning season 13-19 n on his way outta the league
March 5th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
I’m kinda wondering who will be the 3rd string QB, Leinhart was a Knapp brought in QB coach basically.
Palmer, Pryor and ….. a drafted guy? Or maybe a gem from nowhere? Or just a vet guy … ?
I will say this I am very interested in Taiwan Jones at DB, he is exactly built like a Tramon Williams, super athletic, cat like quickness and speed (a green bay guy LoL)
March 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
369.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Kim karmewton 13-19 ENUFF SAID !!
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y are u constantly bringing up cam newton? he has nothing to do with the raiders, except he beat us in week 16. i don’t get it is there something i’m missing? are you an alabama fan? oregon? atlanta? New orleans? tampa? who gives a d@mn about cam newton
March 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
@NGRaiderfan
the quarterback is supposed to get his receivers involved. the receivers should always be more of a weapon than the TE
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True, but Knapp’s offense was designed like the Texans offense to have the TE laregely involved in the passing game? Do you remember when Knapp announced this at the beggining of the year?
The Texans TE’s have been laregely involved in the Texans offense? (Dressan, Daniels and Graham)? Usually they have been the #2 receiver on the Texans in recent years?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Mystic
I am breaking a pledge here but where in that post did I say interections are OK? What I said is not all intereceptions are equal. Thowing deep into coverage on thrid and long from your own 40 is not the same as throwing a intereception in the redzone where you throw away a field goal. Some guys have different styles and you need to account for that
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please breaking wind your killing me
if the styl is throwing picks you will lose
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Didn’t Drew Brees lead the league in picks last year? I guess he is a loser too…
March 5th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
380.NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
369.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Kim karmewton 13-19 ENUFF SAID !!
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y are u constantly bringing up cam newton? he has nothing to do with the raiders, except he beat us in week 16. i don’t get it is there something i’m missing? are you an alabama fan? oregon? atlanta? New orleans? tampa? who gives a d@mn about cam newton
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Totally agree, only a complete Jack@$$ would talk about Cam Newton on a Raider site!
Lol
March 5th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
“Jackson claims that before being hired as offensive coordinator in 2009, late Raiders owner Al Davis offered him the GM job. Jackson said he turned that down because he wanted to coach. He added that he and Davis never spoke about him eventually becoming head coach, despite rumors that he accepted the coordinator gig as a stepping down to becoming head coach.”
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Hue… you’re killing me man. Stop it! No, really…
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This looks like the classic “dead men don’t lie” response.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
“I get surprised by some of the things that are said about me,” Jackson told SI.com. “Look, I’m not shy. A lot of people in this business go along to get along, and I respect that. But when you ask me an honest question, I’m going to give you an honest answer. I don’t think some people like that sometimes. But this thing is about winning. That’s what it’s always been. Some people don’t like that. Some people run from confrontation. I don’t run from confrontation. I never have. Some people want you to cower, and there is a time for all of that. But if you ask me something I’m going to tell you.” -hu jack
so it seems unless you look like rex ryan just shut up and coach
hmmmmm very very suspicious
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you’re off base here, although there are probably owners that hate blacks or any non white race if they think he’ll win and thereby put more $ in their pockets they’ll hire him, even if they may rather have a guy that they can go to the horse races with
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love how people that are not black always want to tell us we are seeing ghost
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
stop with the racism is dead schtick, if you didnt worship your master so you could see the truth
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
352.1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
NGRaiderFan
I think that is what GDog is getting at. There were a lot of hurries meaning the rush was coming but the QB was getting rid of the ball quickly to reduce sacks and hits. This is a style with guys like Palmer or Farve or Cuttler they will sling it into coverage rather than take a sack. It increases their interceptions but improves yardage and and TDs and stats like that.
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qbs need to be willing to take a hit, not necessarily a sack, but they need to be willing to step into the pocket, make the throw knowing they are gonna take a shot and get hit. period. unless ur an athlete and u can escape the pocket and make something happen.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
he was pressured yes, but so does every qb. and u guys can say ur opinion all u want. but the stats actually show he wasn’t pressured that much. he needs to sit in there and make the throw.
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I think GDogs orginal point is Palmer was hurried way more than average meaning he was pressured more. YOu can be pressured but quickly release the ball and avoid hits and not get sacked. However if you try to throw into tight places (as opposed to just Tebow it) you will get picked more (especially with our volleyball playing WRs this year).
March 5th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Time to save money.
The conversation with Tommy kelly and DHB should be easy.
Underachieving big time per pay scale. Both would have a welcomed role at a discounted price. easy.
Palmer is more about take the pay cut for us to help make the team better.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Hue… you’re killing me man. Stop it! No, really…
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all he does is continually shoot himself in the foot. And people wonder why he doesnt get opportunities to interview for a HC gig or even an OC gig. If he could just play the modest role (great experience/ I learned alot/ wished we could have gotten more time bla bla bla), I guarantee you he’d land an OC gig by now rather than being thrown a bone by his buddy.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Mystic
I am breaking a pledge here but where in that post did I say interections are OK? What I said is not all intereceptions are equal. Thowing deep into coverage on thrid and long from your own 40 is not the same as throwing a intereception in the redzone where you throw away a field goal. Some guys have different styles and you need to account for that
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please breaking wind your killing me
if the styl is throwing picks you will lose
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Didn’t Drew Brees lead the league in picks last year? I guess he is a loser too…
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didnt see the saints in the playoffs did you?
lol at excusing ints to save face for unabashed palmer worship
March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
love how people that are not black always want to tell us we are seeing ghost
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
stop with the racism is dead schtick, if you didnt worship your master so you could see the truth
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who said racism is dead? are you imagining things? of course racism is alive and well, i just think the owners care more about money, and money is gained through winning so if the best guy avail is someone black, even if they hates blacks, theyll hire them. same way they’ll draft a black qb to run an option read offense, even though they might hate blacks. i could be wrong, it’s just an opinion, relax
March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
y are u constantly bringing up cam newton? he has nothing to do with the raiders, except he beat us in week 16. i don’t get it is there something i’m missing? are you an alabama fan? oregon? atlanta? New orleans? tampa? who gives a d@mn about cam newton
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Because he’s a racist pos.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
i agree with the notion that we should give decent money to one impact fato me that is jake long
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What’s up with his injury situation?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
In 2010 Jason turned it over every 21 pass attempts
March 5th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
382.Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Mystic
I am breaking a pledge here but where in that post did I say interections are OK? What I said is not all intereceptions are equal. Thowing deep into coverage on thrid and long from your own 40 is not the same as throwing a intereception in the redzone where you throw away a field goal. Some guys have different styles and you need to account for that
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please breaking wind your killing me
if the styl is throwing picks you will lose
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Didn’t Drew Brees lead the league in picks last year? I guess he is a loser too…
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yes he did. he had 19, he also threw 43 TDs a more than 2/1 ratio. he’s also lead a team to win a super bowl…and got mvp. he also has the single season yds record. he also plays on a team that is always in the talks of super bowl contenders year in and year out, mainly because of him being their qb.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
393.J Hill Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
i agree with the notion that we should give decent money to one impact fato me that is jake long
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What’s up with his injury situation?
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i heard he wants 11 mil a yr tho. thats not happening he probably isn’t even on the raiders radar.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
In 2012 Carson turned it over every 30 attempts
March 5th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
love how people that are not black always want to tell us we are seeing ghost
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
stop with the racism is dead schtick, if you didnt worship your master so you could see the truth
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who said racism is dead? are you imagining things? of course racism is alive and well, i just think the owners care more about money, and money is gained through winning so if the best guy avail is someone black, even if they hates blacks, theyll hire them.
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false
tell me when did owners change? where are all of the black head coaches.
you mean ray horton cant get a gig?
perry fewell
hu jackson
no same as it ever was, ‘if your black get back” the owners make certain of it
March 5th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
So Jason Campbell is turnover prone
March 5th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
In 2012 Carson turned it over every 30 attempts
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but he accounted for 19 turn overs in 14 games
P.U
March 5th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
just an idea sign jake long draft warmack then we have the rest of the draft to draft dline
March 5th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
didnt see the saints in the playoffs did you?
lol at excusing ints to save face for unabashed palmer worship
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colin cowherd who is almost as annoying as mistic made an interesting point today about how horrible the saints were before brees compared to the packers who were still good before gb. they both have a trophy. mistic to insinuate the saints didn’t make the playoffs because of brees interception is ridiculous, you’ll say anything to try to make your arguments sound legit.
NEWS FLASH: MISTIC THINKS PALMER SHOULD BE CUT AND WE SHOULD START PRYOR.
there everyone knows now so let’s discuss something else shall we, or is your brain not equipped to handle a different subject?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Miss super dumb
March 5th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Mystic
I am breaking a pledge here but where in that post did I say interections are OK? What I said is not all intereceptions are equal. Thowing deep into coverage on thrid and long from your own 40 is not the same as throwing a intereception in the redzone where you throw away a field goal. Some guys have different styles and you need to account for that
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please breaking wind your killing me
if the styl is throwing picks you will lose
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Didn’t Drew Brees lead the league in picks last year? I guess he is a loser?
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Well yeah, kinda. Last I checked, he was home for the playoffs.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Uh Oh, looks like the Old Troll is getting worked up again. His Fruit of the Looms are in HUGE trouble
Last time K-Rat tried to stir the racial pot he ruined a pair of overalls with an old troll mud slide
Seriously Brahs, no one has ever taken blogging this seriously in the history of idiots
HIP HOP N HOLLERIN’
March 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
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How many do you think there should be?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Campbell turned it over 16 times in 13 games on only 329 attempts average of 1 every 22 touches
Carson Palmer 19 times in 14 games on 565 attempts , that’s an average of 1 every 30 attempts
So there it is guys , Campbell is a turnover machine
March 5th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
y are u constantly bringing up cam newton? he has nothing to do with the raiders, except he beat us in week 16. i don’t get it is there something i’m missing? are you an alabama fan? oregon? atlanta? New orleans? tampa? who gives a d@mn about cam newton
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Because he’s a racist pos.
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cut it out, you know he brings up cam to upset mistic who is the one who always brings up cam and rgIII and russell wilson and kaepernick all of which, by the way, ARE NOT raider qb’s
March 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
387.1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
he was pressured yes, but so does every qb. and u guys can say ur opinion all u want. but the stats actually show he wasn’t pressured that much. he needs to sit in there and make the throw.
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I think GDogs orginal point is Palmer was hurried way more than average meaning he was pressured more. YOu can be pressured but quickly release the ball and avoid hits and not get sacked. However if you try to throw into tight places (as opposed to just Tebow it) you will get picked more (especially with our volleyball playing WRs this year).
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u can also get scared of getting hit, especially when u have been seriouslty injured before, and get rid of the ball well before u need to. and throwing it for 0 yds on a 3rd and 2 might as well be a sack. sack up, sit in the pocket, move around if u have to, and get the F-ing ball past the sticks. something pryor, for all his faults and deficiencies, did fairly well at in his first start. a 3rd down completion short of the line to gain might as well be an incompletion, unless u gain 10+ yards n it could have some bearing on field position. but 3rd 6-8 or less, u should at least try to get the first down. u guys saying he would sling it into traffic causing TO’s, naw he would throw to the guy 2 yds down field with a guy ready to tackle him short of the first down. very few of his picks came from trying to fit it into coverage. most of them came off os poorly thrown balls, misreads, or tipped balls (i will give it to him that some of his ints went off receivers hands first)
March 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Campbell turned it over 16 times in 13 games on only 329 attempts average of 1 every 22 touches
Carson Palmer 19 times in 14 games on 565 attempts , that’s an average of 1 every 30 attempts
So there it is guys , Campbell is a turnover machine
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been sick of the jc v cp debate, but gotta admit that puts alot of holes in the cp’s a turnover machine argument
March 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I waste my time here being a digital GM.
All I can do it watch closely as FA hits and Draft.
We will be as quiet as a mouse.
March 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
How do you turn it over every 22 attempts whole checking down to ur RB all game long ?
March 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
didnt see the saints in the playoffs did you?
lol at excusing ints to save face for unabashed palmer worship
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mistic to insinuate the saints didn’t make the playoffs because of brees interception is ridiculous,
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DID his 19 picks help the saints?
help me out with this inoneturd
comparing brees and palmer is laughable brees td to turn over compared to palmer isnt even worth posting
March 5th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
While^***
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
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How many do you think there should be?
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Who gives a sht about the number?? Point is that Hue should b in that mix based on MERIT! Questioning whether this is an issue of his race is 100% in bounds!
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
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How many do you think there should be?
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are you suggesting some sort of quota?
wow
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Ofcourse his 150 yards per game was def the sole reason we won 8 games lol
March 5th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
DID his 19 picks help the saints?
help me out with this inoneturd
comparing brees and palmer is laughable brees td to turn over compared to palmer isnt even worth posting
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i’m not comparing brees and cp? once again you imaging things, you on those bath salts? brees is a hall of fame qb, cp is average in my opinion
March 5th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
didnt see the saints in the playoffs did you?
lol at excusing ints to save face for unabashed palmer worship
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I completely agree with you that turnovers are the number one reason for wins and losses. The difference between you and I is if a ball bounces off a receivers hands into a defender, or if a receiver is not where he should be, or the left tackle completely whiffs causing the Q to qet whacked or stripped, I can’t blame the Q. And then when you are constantly in the bottom of the league in getting turnovers, the ones you make are that much more pronounced.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Actually, here is an article on the myth or truth of CP3 padding hist stats via garbage minutes. I like CP but I fear he is not clutch. You need to be clutch to win the big one in this league or go deep in the playoff.
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http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/1/4055048/how-many-of-oakland-raiders-carson-palmer-stats-came-in-garbage-time
arson Palmer’s stats last season looked pretty impressive on paper. He threw for 4018 yards with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. Those numbers put him in the top ten in passing yards and just above the average NFL starting QB overall. And yet the Raiders still had one of the worst offenses in the NFL with a 4-12 record to show for it.
The conclusion many have come to is those yards from Carson Palmer were not all they cracked up to be. The term “garbage time” stats has been thrown around like Carson Palmer threw the ball around the yard last season. Typically it’s used as a way of saying those yards were easier to come by because there was nothing on the line.
So, I thought it would be worthwhile to find out just how many of those Palmer’s yards were padding and how many really mattered.
For this study, I must also point out that passing yards Palmer had after the Raiders were no longer in playoff contention still count. Just because at some point he was unable to get the Raiders in the playoffs doesn’t mean those stats were worthless. Garbage time is the time in a game when the stats are no longer meaningful toward the outcome of that particular game.
We start from the beginning of the season and work out way through.
Week 1 the Chargers went up by a score of 22-6 with 5:06 remaining in the fourth quarter. Carson Palmer immediately led the Raiders on a scoring drive, but it was too late. The Chargers were up by two scores at least and the drive took 4:12 off the clock which allowed the Chargers to kneel out the clock and end the game.
Total stats for Palmer: 297 passing yards, 1 TD
Garbage time stats: 64 yards passing, 1 TD
Week 2 the Dolphins went up 35-13 with 5:18 remaining in the game. Anything after that was inconsequential.
Total stats for Palmer: 373 yards passing, 1 TD, 1 int
Garbage time stats: 53 yards passing, 1 int
Week 4 this game was over by the end of the third quarter with the Broncos up 31-6. Anything after that was not going to change the Raiders’ fate.
Total stats for Palmer: 202 yards passing
Garbage time stats: 65 yards passing
Week 6 was a close loss to the Falcons 23-20. Palmer threw a terrible interception returned for a touchdown with the Raiders in scoring position. He drove the team back to tie it and in the end the Falcons drove into field goal range and won it. So, though it was at least partially Palmer’s fault for the loss, this game never had a garbage time.
Total stats for Palmer: 353 yards passing, 1 TD, 1 int
Garbage time stats: None
Week 9 the Raiders gave up 251 yards rushing to Doug Martin but the Raiders’ offense kept them in the game right up until the end. They were down 35-32 when Palmer threw an interception and the Bucs drove for a score to put the game away. But before you blame Palmer for the loss anyway, he is the reason the Raiders were about to get back in the game in the first place after being down by 18 points twice including early in the 4th quarter.
Total stats for Palmer: 414 yards passing, 4 TD, 3 int
Garbage time stats: 5 yards passing, 1 int
Week 10 this game looked to be over shortly after halftime. The Ravens went up by a score of 34-10 on their first drive of the third quarter. Palmer made a valiant drive to score a touchdown on the following drive to make it 34-17. But that was as close as he would get. The Ravens answered with another touchdown and everything after that was window dressing.
Total stats for Palmer: 368 yards passing, 2 TD’s, 1 int
Garbage time stats: 106 yards passing
Week 11 For the second straight week, the game was over before the end of the third quarter. The Saints went up 35-10 late in the third quarter and they went through the motions after that and cruise to a win.
Total stats for Palmer: 312 yards passing, 2 TD’s, 2 int
Garbage time stats: 120 yards passing, 1 TD
Week 12 the Bengals raced out to a 21-0 lead in the first half but this game wasn’t officially in the books until early in the fourth quarter when they took a 27-10 lead. One might argue that there were garbage time yards before that but the Raiders did pull within two scores in the third quarter, down 24-10. Two scores in a quarter is very manageable. They just didn’t manage it.
Total stats for Palmer: 146 yards passing, 1 TD, 1 int
Garbage time stats: 49 yards passing
Week 13 the 20-17 result made the Raiders’ loss to the Browns seem like a close game. But it wasn’t really that close. The Raiders were down 20-10 with 6:04 left on the clock but their drive took so long, it rendered the entire thing worthless. They scored the touchdown and kicked off down three points with :01 on the clock. You can definitely blame that one on the coaches but it still rendered Palmer’s stats on the drive meaningless.
Total stats for Palmer: 351 yards passing, 2 TD’s, 1 int
Garbage time stats: 102 yards, 1 TD
Week 14 Midway through the third quarter, Carson Palmer fumbled the ball, the Broncos recovered and drove for a score to go up 26-7. Cruise control time.
Total stats for Palmer: 273 yards passing, 2 TD’s, 1 int
Garbage time stats: 125 yards passing, 1 TD
The following week was a win over the Chiefs and Palmer’s final full game of the season. He would suffer a broken rib after just three passes in the week 16 matchup against the Carolina Panthers.
His total stats in garbage time during 2012 were:
689 yards passing, 6 TD’s, 2 int’s
Which makes his adjusted total of stats that truly mattered:
3329 passing yards, 16 TD’s, 12 int’s
It’s kind of worthless to say where his new figure would rank among the other quarterbacks in the league because to do that is to assume those other quarterbacks never had any passing yards in garbage time. It’s like saying “What about all those drops by his receivers?” as if every quarterback isn’t subject to their receivers dropping passes.
The purpose of this is not to say Palmer deserves no credit for those passes he made in garbage time or to blame him for the fact the Raiders were subject to garbage time at all. It is simply to put an actual number on something many have pondered when deciding how much of Palmer’s 4018 passing yards, 22 TD’s, and 14 interceptions came during times when the game was still on the line.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
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How many do you think there should be?
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Who gives a sht about the number?? Point is that Hue should b in that mix based on MERIT! Questioning whether this is an issue of his race is 100% in bounds!
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Yeah totally, Reggie is practically a clansman.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
DID his 19 picks help the saints?
help me out with this inoneturd
comparing brees and palmer is laughable brees td to turn over compared to palmer isnt even worth posting
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i’m not comparing brees and cp? once again you imaging things, you on those bath salts? brees is a hall of fame qb, cp is average in my opinion
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good because my post was in response to someone that tried to compare the two
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
410.inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Campbell turned it over 16 times in 13 games on only 329 attempts average of 1 every 22 touches
Carson Palmer 19 times in 14 games on 565 attempts , that’s an average of 1 every 30 attempts
So there it is guys , Campbell is a turnover machine
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been sick of the jc v cp debate, but gotta admit that puts alot of holes in the cp’s a turnover machine argument
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u forgot to add in the 2011 season for palmer, that counted u know… if you’re going to point out JC’s worst season as a raider u gotta do the same for palmer. u cant just try and make it so the stats favor your guy. at least acknowledge JC in 2011 JC threw 165 passes and only had 4 INTs, thats 1 every 41 passes. but of course u would leave that out because it doesn’t help your argument. nor does carson palmer throwing 13 ints in 307 attempts in 2011, 1 ever 23 attempts(i didn’t include the KC game, which would have made it 16 ints in 328 attempts; 1 every 20 attempts). let’s at least get all of the facts out there.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Keep hating
March 5th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
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How many do you think there should be?
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are you suggesting some sort of quota?
wow
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You were actually. I’m not.
There can be a higher/lower percentage of certain races (compared to percentage of entire population) involved in something without it all being about racists holding people back.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
410.inonewordraider Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Campbell turned it over 16 times in 13 games on only 329 attempts average of 1 every 22 touches
Carson Palmer 19 times in 14 games on 565 attempts , that’s an average of 1 every 30 attempts
So there it is guys , Campbell is a turnover machine
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been sick of the jc v cp debate, but gotta admit that puts alot of holes in the cp’s a turnover machine argument
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u forgot to add in the 2011 season for palmer, that counted u know… if you’re going to point out JC’s worst season as a raider u gotta do the same for palmer. u cant just try and make it so the stats favor your guy. at least acknowledge JC in 2011 JC threw 165 passes and only had 4 INTs, thats 1 every 41 passes. but of course u would leave that out because it doesn’t help your argument. nor does carson palmer throwing 13 ints in 307 attempts in 2011, 1 ever 23 attempts(i didn’t include the KC game, which would have made it 16 ints in 328 attempts; 1 every 20 attempts). let’s at least get all of the facts out there.
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hats off NGR,
damn your good
March 5th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
@aig-raiders
Arson Palmer? Cause he lights $hip up?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
GRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
u forgot to add in the 2011 season for palmer, that counted u know… if you’re going to point out JC’s worst season as a raider u gotta do the same for palmer.
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Palmers lst two games as a Raider he threw a total of six picks. The lst game Jackson threw him out there even tho he had basically no practice time with the team. He was NOT supposed to play that game. The second game was another one where he had very limited practice time. After that, especially at the end Palmer played extremely well. I would think you have to discount throwing a guy out there with no practice time.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Those short seasons don’t count , coming to a team midseason , you cnt get on the same page like u can get if you had the preseason n Ota and training and etc , JC basically played 6 games in 11 so it doesn’t matter
March 5th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
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How many do you think there should be?
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are you suggesting some sort of quota?
wow
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You were actually. I’m not.
There can be a higher/lower percentage of certain races (compared to percentage of entire population) involved in something without it all being about racists holding people back.
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no it should be based on coaching talent and clearly black people are being screwed fro both hc and coordinator jobs college and pro
even if hu jack isnt considered hc material you mean a coordinator that post 26 points per game cant get a gig?
while knapp gets try you after try out?
that dog wont hunt and im not buying it
March 5th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
I was comparing their full seasons so JC turne it over every 22 attemps in 10 with beast running game
Palmer every 30 attempts with no running game , which mean Ds knew it was always going to be a pass pass pass
March 5th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
even if hu jack isnt considered hc material you mean a coordinator that post 26 points per game cant get a gig?
You skew numbers too much to favor ur side 22 PpG not 26
March 5th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
if i am off base why are there so few black head coaches in pro and college football both now and historically?
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How many do you think there should be?
================
are you suggesting some sort of quota?
wow
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You were actually. I’m not.
There can be a higher/lower percentage of certain races (compared to percentage of entire population) involved in something without it all being about racists holding people back.
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no it should be based on coaching talent and clearly black people are being screwed fro both hc and coordinator jobs college and pro
even if hu jack isnt considered hc material you mean a coordinator that post 26 points per game cant get a gig?
while knapp gets try you after try out?
that dog wont hunt and im not buying it
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There, now you have arguments that can make sense.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
March 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
GRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
u forgot to add in the 2011 season for palmer, that counted u know… if you’re going to point out JC’s worst season as a raider u gotta do the same for palmer.
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The lst game Jackson threw him out there even tho he had basically no practice time with the team.
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yet you dont afford pryor the same consideration?
even though pryor out performed palmer in his first start as compared to carson first start as a raider.
pryor 3 tds 1 turn over 46%
palmer 0 tds 3 picks 38%
your on bush…this should be fun
March 5th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
There are just more Power blocking guys than ZBS guys that’s why Knapp keep getting this OC gigs
March 5th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
AIG-Raiders
That was an interesting post. There was a lot less garbage time than I thought there would be.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Pisstick
March 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Pryors first start came after he was with the team 2 full years , that’s 2 otas, 2 mini camps 2 full training camps 2 full preseason a and 2 years of getting with guys n learning the playbook
Palmers first start came after being on the team just 5 days
March 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
428.Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
GRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
u forgot to add in the 2011 season for palmer, that counted u know… if you’re going to point out JC’s worst season as a raider u gotta do the same for palmer.
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Palmers lst two games as a Raider he threw a total of six picks. The lst game Jackson threw him out there even tho he had basically no practice time with the team. He was NOT supposed to play that game. The second game was another one where he had very limited practice time. After that, especially at the end Palmer played extremely well. I would think you have to discount throwing a guy out there with no practice time.
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wait a second…. i just actually checked the stats on campbells 2010 season…he only had 8 ints and 4 fumbles that he didn’t recover. i don’t even know an OLineman could have covered the other ones. how in the world did u get 16 turnovers. by my count, the most he could have had was 12, and thats not even for sure.. I really need to know where u guys get your stats from. more and more i’m thinking u guys just make stuff up. If i’m wrong i’d like to see it. here is where my info came from:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm
it shows JC in 2010 with 8 ints and 9 fumbles, 5 fumble recoveries.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
I was comparing their full seasons so JC turne it over every 22 attemps in 10 with beast running game
Palmer every 30 attempts with no running game , which mean Ds knew it was always going to be a pass pass pass
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you can’t bring up FACTS to these guys … they say they’re excuses .. we are talking tennis afterall, not football. 1on1 sport.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Actual garbage time stat padding was when Pryor started n chargers holding comfortable 24-7 lead , n scored t TDs with less than 6 mins to go
March 5th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Why did Reggie fire a soul brotha and replace him with whitey, Piss-stick?
Betcha don’t like Reggie much, do ya?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
no it should be based on coaching talent and clearly black people are being screwed fro both hc and coordinator jobs college and pro
even if hu jack isnt considered hc material you mean a coordinator that post 26 points per game cant get a gig?
while knapp gets try you after try out?
that dog wont hunt and im not buying it
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probably don’t think black men smart enough to do it, some probably still think black qb’s aren’t smart enough, on second thought for one of very few times i agree but it’s stupid. even if i hated whitey, if i there was a good white salesman that was ethical i’d hire him in a second, business is business
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Pryors first start came after he was with the team 2 full years , that’s 2 otas, 2 mini camps 2 full training camps 2 full preseason a and 2 years of getting with guys n learning the playbook
Palmers first start came after being on the team just 5 days
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wrong he was suspended was barred from alameda
this year was his first full season but he didnt practice until he ran scout in week 14
he didnt run our offense until week 17 half the reps in practice
pryor first start far far better than palmers in raider land
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
438.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Pryors first start came after he was with the team 2 full years , that’s 2 otas, 2 mini camps 2 full training camps 2 full preseason a and 2 years of getting with guys n learning the playbook
Palmers first start came after being on the team just 5 days
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actually pryor was suspended 6 games so he couldnt do anything withthe teams until week 7 of last season, and then he was inactive and even said he never talked to hue jackson all season. n this year he was 3rd string and if u know anything about football u kno that 3rd string qbs dont get reps in practice. and 2 years to learn the playbook where are u from do u even follow the raiders they got a new OC this year. new OC = new playbook.
that still doesn’t explain palmer throwing for under 50% in his 5th start on the team. especially when he had hue jax as his coordinator before. I don’t even talk about palmers first game against the chiefs, that doesn’t even count to me. i’ll even let him slide against the broncos. at some point as a qb u gotta start making winning football plays, clutch football plays, and winning football games.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I was a big Hue Jack supporter and for that I was the recipient of a ton of crap.
I gotta think the reason he doesn’t have an oc gig at least is because he’s perceived as a back stabber or trouble maker.
I was the few apparently that thought his passion..love for Al and the Raiders etc. was genuine. Alot of guys said it was just an act…I don’t believe that.
Of course he wanted to promote himself…that’s what guys with alot of confidence do; they think THEY are the best man for the job. I don’t see that as a negative quality…apparently it’s too over the top for most teams.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I got my stats from espn , 8 ints and 9 fumbles
March 5th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Pryors first start came after he was with the team 2 full years , that’s 2 otas, 2 mini camps 2 full training camps 2 full preseason a and 2 years of getting with guys n learning the playbook
Palmers first start came after being on the team just 5 days
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McFadden
Stop it, those are just excuses. YOu need to just compare them sriaght up!
Seriously, it is a waste of time trying to talk sense to him. Take the Pledge!
March 5th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
mac tea bags busted lying as usual
he has a pathological obsession
March 5th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Okay fair enough he was suspended half year , 1.5 years on team is still better than 5 days with the team
March 5th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I was a big Hue Jack supporter and for that I was the recipient of a ton of crap.
I gotta think the reason he doesn’t have an oc gig at least is because he’s perceived as a back stabber or trouble maker.
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this is the way black people are often viewed in amerikkka
always has been that way
March 5th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I was a big Hue Jack supporter and for that I was the recipient of a ton of crap.
I gotta think the reason he doesn’t have an oc gig at least is because he’s perceived as a back stabber or trouble maker.
I was the few apparently that thought his passion..love for Al and the Raiders etc. was genuine. Alot of guys said it was just an act…I don’t believe that.
Of course he wanted to promote himself…that’s what guys with alot of confidence do; they think THEY are the best man for the job. I don’t see that as a negative quality…apparently it’s too over the top for most teams.
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I liked Hue as an OC myself but GM??? That kind of outburst is the reason he is not getting a look with other teams.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Reggie didn’t even want a black head coach, right, Piss-stick?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
McFadden
And Pryor ran for 51 yards against a tough SD defense playing their hearts out. What did coach potato run for? Exposed!:-)
Seriously take the Pledge!
March 5th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
I liked Hue as an OC myself but GM??? That kind of outburst is the reason he is not getting a look with other teams.
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Nah, it’s cause he is black. Right, Piss-stick?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
441.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Actual garbage time stat padding was when Pryor started n chargers holding comfortable 24-7 lead , n scored t TDs with less than 6 mins to go
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yea ur right. it was probably garbage time. so was:
entire 4th quarter against SD
entire 4th quarter against miami
whole 4th and most of the 3rd against denver
whole second half against baltimore
when NO went up 28-7 early in the 3rd quarter
Cincinatti 21-0 at half…considering we only scored 10 i’d say we were never close.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
DJ
Hue was def viewed as a backstabber and he mouthed off too much. You can be confident but you have to come across under control. The people that do the hiring prefer people with a quiet confidence. Want proof? A black man (McKenzie) chose a quiet confident guy in DA over a mouthy back stabbing over confident Hue.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
March 5th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
GRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
u forgot to add in the 2011 season for palmer, that counted u know… if you’re going to point out JC’s worst season as a raider u gotta do the same for palmer.
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The lst game Jackson threw him out there even tho he had basically no practice time with the team.
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yet you dont afford pryor the same consideration?
even though pryor out performed palmer in his first start as compared to carson first start as a raider.
pryor 3 tds 1 turn over 46%
palmer 0 tds 3 picks 38%
your on bush…this should be fun
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This is a ridiculous statement. lst off, one guy was here for a year and a half, and the other guy showed up a couple of days before game time. 2ndly, one guy was “hidden” from the opposition while the other guy wasn’t even supposed to go into the game. Lastly, one game was played in the middle of the season, while the other game was the very last game of the year, between two teams going no where, one of which the coach AND GM were getting axed right after the game. Think any of those factors might make a difference?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I was a big Hue Jack supporter and for that I was the recipient of a ton of crap.
I gotta think the reason he doesn’t have an oc gig at least is because he’s perceived as a back stabber or trouble maker.
I was the few apparently that thought his passion..love for Al and the Raiders etc. was genuine. Alot of guys said it was just an act…I don’t believe that.
Of course he wanted to promote himself…that’s what guys with alot of confidence do; they think THEY are the best man for the job. I don’t see that as a negative quality…apparently it’s too over the top for most teams.
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sometimes people just fit. jc fit the raiders at the time, don’t think he’s a good qb and wouldn’t want him back, but he had good chemistry with the guys, he fit. hue loved the raiders, and motivated the raiders. loved his passion but he made a huge mistake not blaming himself after sd loss but rather blaming the players saying you can only do so much as a coach eventually it’s the players responsibility. that’s throwing them under the bus in front of the media. also it can be perceived that he bullied management into the palmer trade. i can see how owners wouldn’t like that. i mean look at sd having yes man turner as hc for all those years
March 5th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
McFadden
No it was 1.7 years lying again exposed!
Take the Pledge
March 5th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Reggie didn’t even want a black head coach, right, Piss-stick?
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means nothing
black coaches rarely keep black qbs
black gms dont have black head coaches
the buck starts and stops with the owners and they are not black
black head coach, plus or gm would be
“too black too strong” – Minister Malcolm X
March 5th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
447.mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I got my stats from espn , 8 ints and 9 fumbles
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9 fumbles, but he recovered 5 of them…
March 5th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Isn’t time for you to be, “Off to the Gym” Piss-stick?
Where did you find a Blacks-only gym anyway?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
this is the way black people are often viewed in amerikkka
always has been that way
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mistic is off base again. did you forget that a black man fired Hue Jack?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
That same black man chose a white guy DA over his black buddy Moss from GB, fyi.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Bush
No Palmer had 5 days you said 2 days – you are pathological liar. What do you say now that your racist ways have been exposed.
Take the Pledge!
March 5th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
AIG
McKenzie is only half black – can’t you tell or are you a liar too. His white side fired him! Exposed!
Take the Pledge!
March 5th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Why don’t asians play football?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
DJ
Hue was def viewed as a backstabber and he mouthed off too much. You can be confident but you have to come across under control. The people that do the hiring prefer people with a quiet confidence. Want proof? A black man (McKenzie) chose a quiet confident guy in DA over a mouthy back stabbing over confident Hue.
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you do realize that big mack works for a white owner right?
please big mack doesnt unilaterally decide anything he is owned by mark davis just as another black person in the org is.
lets not be so simple
March 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I was a big Hue Jack supporter and for that I was the recipient of a ton of crap.
I gotta think the reason he doesn’t have an oc gig at least is because he’s perceived as a back stabber or trouble maker.
I was the few apparently that thought his passion..love for Al and the Raiders etc. was genuine. Alot of guys said it was just an act…I don’t believe that.
Of course he wanted to promote himself…that’s what guys with alot of confidence do; they think THEY are the best man for the job. I don’t see that as a negative quality…apparently it’s too over the top for most teams.
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Hue was awesome as OC, but as head coach he cost us some games with his decision making.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
440.xraided Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
I was comparing their full seasons so JC turne it over every 22 attemps in 10 with beast running game
Palmer every 30 attempts with no running game , which mean Ds knew it was always going to be a pass pass pass
__________________
you can’t bring up FACTS to these guys … they say they’re excuses .. we are talking tennis afterall, not football. 1on1 sport.
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but going by your approach, since u want to dismiss palmers first season as a raider, shouldn’t u have to excuse 2012 bc it was campbells first year as a raider and he had to deal with being benched and not having rhythm most of the season… hahah excuses, right? sound familiar?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
2010* at least the first couple games right?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
ever seen don’t be a menace to south central while drinkin your juice in the hood? it’d be funny if mistic was like the the black muslim dude on there chasing the white chicks!
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
AIG
McKenzie is only half black – can’t you tell or are you a liar too. His white side fired him! Exposed!
Take the Pledge!
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OK you got me bro……The Prz is half white and raised by white folks but dont tell that to black folks. They claim him as one of them.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win
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how so?
12 wins in the last 3 years say something completely different
Palmer = proven loser. not part of the future. expensive
Pryor = unproven. unknown. has potential. dirt cheap
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Bush
No Palmer had 5 days you said 2 days – you are pathological liar. What do you say now that your racist ways have been exposed.
Take the Pledge!
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Hahaha. Actually a few of those days were meetings and getting acclimated,and Saturday is a 45 minute walk thru not a practice. So two days is about right.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
mac tea bags busted lying as usual
he has a pathological obsession
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Lying bout what ? You said Hue averaged 26 ppt but infact we only Averaged 22 ppg
March 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Wish we would have kept The Cable Man and Hue OC. Rob Ryan DC
March 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win
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Palmer = expensive
Pryor = dirt cheap
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You get what you pay for.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
question for you idiots trying to convince me that racism doesnt exist
If it isnt in sports where does it exist?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
actually one of the most racist dude on this board….drum roll…..YOU MISTIC. Every frickin day is about black qb this black qb that.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win
***
Palmer = expensive
Pryor = dirt cheap
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You get what you pay for.
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If there is anything those who follow this team know, it is that isn’t true.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
THE RAIDERS are NOT going to get Jenkins Reggie is bringing HEM IN he IS one of his old buddies so they can set around IHOP and shoot the breeze talk about the good old days in Green Bay YOU never know we might get Kelly * Kelly is a free agent he will test the waters IF doesn’t get any big offers Reggie might bring him back on the cheap for one year and
the biggest mistake Reggie made was Greg Knapp and who in the hell was a special teams coach that’s sure sucked
March 5th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
This is a ridiculous statement. lst off, one guy was here for a year and a half, and the other guy showed up a couple of days before game time. 2ndly, one guy was “hidden” from the opposition while the other guy wasn’t even supposed to go into the game. Lastly, one game was played in the middle of the season, while the other game was the very last game of the year, between two teams going no where, one of which the coach AND GM were getting axed right after the game. Think any of those factors might make a difference?
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Palmer was an 8 year veteran playing in his 100+ nfl game, pryor was essentially a rookie making his first start of his nfl career after one week working with the first team and learning the plays. does that not play into the situation also?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
on the mean streets, Piss-stick, and it goes both ways, Playboy.
Blacks just may hate Whites more.
Now go ahead and justify it.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
482.rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win
***
Palmer = expensive
Pryor = dirt cheap
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You get what you pay for.
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If there is anything those who follow this team know, it is that isn’t true.
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palmer – 15 mil, lost to SD 22-13
Pryor less than 1 mil – lost to SD 24-21.
that doesn’t even out right….
March 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win
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how so?
12 wins in the last 3 years say something completely different
Palmer = proven loser. not part of the future. expensive
Pryor = unproven. unknown. has potential. dirt cheap
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Actually all those statements are true except that Palmer is not merely a proven loser. He has been on winning teams at times when he is sourrounded by better players. Palmer does give us the best chance to win as far as we know because of the perfomrance of Pryor so far. That may change in the future but for now we know throwing lollypops will not get us wins.
Look I want Pryor to be better than Palmer but even Pryor said he needs to earn it. Too many on this board want to anoint him based on what? His performance in SD? His preseason? College? Can’t do that he has not shown he is ready to start yet – even for this team.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Lol
March 5th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
actually one of the most racist dude on this board….drum roll…..YOU MISTIC. Every frickin day is about black qb this black qb that.
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True. Don’t think most of us think about it that way. M’fer can be purple and I don’t give a shizt.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
475.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Palmer gives OAK the best chance to win
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how so?
12 wins in the last 3 years say something completely different
Palmer = proven loser. not part of the future. expensive
Pryor = unproven. unknown. has potential. dirt cheap
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10 wins in the last 3 seasons. 4 with bengals, 2 in 2011, 4 in 2012
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Reverse racism is alive and doing better then racism.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
no actually you’re right he had 4 wins in 2011 . i was wrong.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Reverse racism is alive and doing better then racism.
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Ewwww. That is such a dumb term. I’m going to go wash my eyes.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
How come no one told me we were having this conversation?
I’ve got some input.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
i’m out. good talking to everybody. and i do mean everybody. haha
March 5th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Raiders were pretty much in the SD game, than the long snapper went down and they recovered footballs at pretty good field positions, in last SD game Raiders were trailing 24-7 with 6 min left in 4th , n scored one after team blocked punt n recovered it inside SD10
March 5th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
LOL, man its horrible in here today, its almost as bad as the Fkin Brisel restructure, gawd was that a horrible decision by reggie or what?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Golden Haired Hero Says:
How come no one told me we were having this conversation?
I’ve got some input.
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Seriously. Tell me about it.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Of course we didnt see the bootleg with palmer
HE STINKS AT IT!!!
watching him roll the pocket is like being sodomized with a chain saw
its painful
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Hello.
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KK How many times have you been sodomized?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Glad I was busy this afternoon.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Reverse racism is alive and doing better then racism.
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Ewwww. That is such a dumb term. I’m going to go wash my eyes.
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I dare any white to walk down the streets of east oakland at 10pm on a sat. night
March 5th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
actually one of the most racist dude on this board….drum roll…..YOU MISTIC. Every frickin day is about black qb this black qb that.
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um pointing out racism in sports doesnt make me racist.
Nor do i have system of oppression, so what do you mean
March 5th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Code just win baby
March 5th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Good news is that in 7 days we should all know where were at with the qb. F*ck it could continue till the draft?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
#496 It was like a tale of two San Diego’s in one the Raiders special teams imploded in the other the Charger special teams imploded.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Cult of Palmer. Love the handle.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Just win
March 5th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Racism is alive and well the state of Mississippi just ratified the 13th amendment last week only 154 years late
March 5th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
actually one of the most racist dude on this board….drum roll…..YOU MISTIC. Every frickin day is about black qb this black qb that.
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um pointing out racism in sports doesnt make me racist.
Nor do i have system of oppression, so what do you mean
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I think that you talking about it all the time has more to do with it then anything
March 5th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Raider Fan Kirk
I am sorry I think this QB thing is going to go on all the way through pre-season. We should be talking about the Briesell deal and if Reggie was taken over by the spirit of AD but instead we are talking Palmer vs. Pryor again. I mean we do this more than Ali fought Frazier.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Reverse racism is alive and doing better then racism.
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ahhh mythical reverse racism
where on earth today do black people oppress anyone for or according to the color of their skin?
March 5th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
actually one of the most racist dude on this board….drum roll…..YOU MISTIC. Every frickin day is about black qb this black qb that.
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um pointing out racism in sports doesnt make me racist.
Nor do i have system of oppression, so what do you mean
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I think that you talking about it all the time has more to do with it then anything
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calling it into question isnt committing the act of
if i dont talk about it would that cause it to cease to exist/
no
March 5th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Palmer was pretty good in 11 save for first couple of games, should have won Det game if not for D allowing a 99TD drive in less than 50 seconds, played exceptionally well in last SD game , his lone int was on the Jacoby ford slip up on a comeback route along the sidelines, we should have won that game with NFL DEFENSE with the way Palmer played
March 5th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Glad I was busy this afternoon.
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Yea you would have turned into the Eternal Pessimist after some of these posts. Please excuse many of mine. I just went sarcastic after a while for everyone engaging Mystic.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
So, someone point me in the right direction here. Haven’t seen a post since 2:30 or so. who started this(other than Miss Tick and NoGoodRaiderfan) that I should search for?
That was over 200 posts ago.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Raider Fan Kirk
I am sorry I think this QB thing is going to go on all the way through pre-season. We should be talking about the Briesell deal and if Reggie was taken over by the spirit of AD but instead we are talking Palmer vs. Pryor again. I mean we do this more than Ali fought Frazier.
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For at least the last three years I’ve been coming here. For F%ck’s sake we’re still talking about Campbell the suck’s azz.
March 5th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
But we had Arena football league D n couldn’t stop SD even once n lost the game
March 5th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I hope Raiders find a way to resign Adams and Ross, they were developing well , give them a chance to fight for starting positions n see how they respond
March 5th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
on the mean streets, Piss-stick, and it goes both ways, Playboy.
Blacks just may hate Whites more.
Now go ahead and justify it.
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even if that were true ( and i think it is dubious speculation and untrue) we still dont have a system that oppresses people based on skin color.
especially not here where we only make up 12% of the population.
racism is a system and it dominates all areas of people activity
economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war
March 5th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Reverse racism is alive and doing better then racism.
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ahhh mythical reverse racism
where on earth today do black people oppress anyone for or according to the color of their skin?
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Affirmative action?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
ok im gone
racist trolls excuse makers and golden haired hero worshipers have at it
March 5th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
I’d like to have a beer with any of You.
Common interest brings us all here.
If we had a room full of us all together, I’d have my favorites based on the interaction. I know that skin color would have nothing to do with it.
Personally I believe Culture(s) create a greater divide among people than the color of the skin.
Just my opinion.
On to what really bring us all here.
Briesel better play his Ass off in 2013 or Reggie will have blown it with him.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Reverse racism is alive and doing better then racism.
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ahhh mythical reverse racism
where on earth today do black people oppress anyone for or according to the color of their skin?
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Affirmative action?
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lol
created by people that classify themselves as white in an attempt to check their own behavior
implemented by those that classify themselves as white that own the corporations
try reading
March 5th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
where on earth today do black people oppress anyone for or according to the color of their skin?
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I’ll start bye say I appoligize to everyone else, I just can’t help myself. People opressing poeple has been happening since the dawn of time. Race, Religion, Tribe, Country, Kingdom. Do you really think it has’nt happened before? Do you really think any of us have been to blame for it? That ship has sailed and when it comes to a team the players most certainly don’t give a shizt about it, they are a team.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
im done
March 5th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Reverse racism is alive and doing better then racism.
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ahhh mythical reverse racism
where on earth today do black people oppress anyone for or according to the color of their skin?
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Affirmative action?
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Dumbass.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
So, someone point me in the right direction here. Haven’t seen a post since 2:30 or so. who started this(other than Miss Tick and NoGoodRaiderfan) that I should search for?
That was over 200 posts ago.
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It was fairly interesting at first GDog posted somethign about hurries vs hits vs sacks and how Palmer is hurred a lot but not hit or sacked a lot. That turned into Palmer is a coward has happy feet and of course Pryor is better but others (like me) said it is his style to sling it into coverage rather than take sacks or hits in contrsast to someone like Aaron Rodgers that takes sacks but not ints. That is part of his game and I compared his style to Farve and of course Mystic decided to disparage that because Farve is so much better than Palmer but I was comparing styles not skill or HOF status etc…
From there it went downhill fast.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Bye Piss-stick
March 5th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
where on earth today do black people oppress anyone for or according to the color of their skin?
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I’ll start bye say I appoligize to everyone else, I just can’t help myself. People opressing poeple has been happening since the dawn of time. Race, Religion, Tribe, Country, Kingdom. Do you really think it has’nt happened before? Do you really think any of us have been to blame for it? That ship has sailed and when it comes to a team the players most certainly don’t give a shizt about it, they are a team.
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you didnt answer the question
unless you can provide proof of it cant be accepted as truth
March 5th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Free Adams an Ross
March 5th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
ok im gone
racist trolls excuse makers and golden haired hero worshipers have at it
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That’s what I ment about you talking about it all the time.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I will admit I should have used the term prejudice against whites and not opression, but no one was talking to your DeBarge lookin’ azz, Krappyrat.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
I think that you talking about it all the time has more to do with it then anything
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calling it into question isnt committing the act of
if i dont talk about it would that cause it to cease to exist/
no
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Maybe if you ever had a call to action or a realistic solution to anything it might not be as annoying?
Example? If you want to change in the NFL coaching/Ownership maybe a petition we could sign would be nice.
What is the point in yelling/whining at us constantly going to accomplish?
You think that the White people on this site care or have any connections to the fact that NFL owners are all white? Like we get a “white” discount on NFL tickets? I don’t have a vote on who coaches what team and who is selected as a owner.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Btw, thats why affirmative action had a question mark behind it in the post earlier. I don’t know a whole lot about it and was making a guess.
Blacks are just as prejudice as whites was the point.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I will admit I should have used the term prejudice against whites and not opression, but no one was talking to your DeBarge lookin’ azz, Krappyrat.
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Dumbass.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Mistic is not a Raiders fan why don’t u guys ever get that , he’s Sullivan
March 5th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I will admit I should have used the term prejudice against whites and not opression, but no one was talking to your DeBarge lookin’ azz, Krappyrat.
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Dumbass.
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One-trick pony.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
unless you can provide proof of it cant be accepted as truth
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Most recently I can think of is Dar Four (sorryknow I did’nt spell that right). Never mind happening all over the middle east based on religion. How about WW2?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I hope Raiders find a way to resign Adams and Ross, they were developing well , give them a chance to fight for starting positions n see how they respond
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History shows they will be replaced by injury prone guys in their 30s and practice squad guys.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
How about the american indians?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
IF Mark was the one who told Reggie to fire Hue than Reggie wouldn’t have had a choice, but then you have to ask if Mark dislike of Hue was racially fueled than why did he entrust the management of his precious inheritance to a black man named Reggie McKenzie?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
I want the Raiders to go after Jairus Byrd
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
How about Krappyrats white wife?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
rediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I hope Raiders find a way to resign Adams and Ross, they were developing well , give them a chance to fight for starting positions n see how they respond
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History shows they will be replaced by injury prone guys in their 30s and practice squad guys.
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Hope not. I thought Adams played the ball very well. I would like to see that more from all the CB’s. Chris Johnson was getting burt sometimes but he was always trying to locate the ball.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
I want the Raiders to go after Jairus Byrd
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Franchise tagged
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
I want the Raiders to go after Jairus Byrd
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Who cares, dumbass?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RediaR Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I hope Raiders find a way to resign Adams and Ross, they were developing well , give them a chance to fight for starting positions n see how they respond
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History shows they will be replaced by injury prone guys in their 30s and practice squad guys.
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Nope , history is to learn and change which is why we waved bye bye to knapp n Oline guy bye bye to ZBS and hi to PBS so we will def have youth in secondary
March 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
P-man….
*Elvis Presley voice*
Llama ask you a question….
*end Presley voice*
How the %^$%$&%^* are ya?!
March 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
How about Krappyrats white wife?
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Why do you give a shizt about his wife?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
How about Krappyrats white wife?
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How about your greasy daddy?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
She is being oppressed by Krappy.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
I think it’s either Ross or Adams who’s restricted FA , so we will give them a contract and if other team pays more n the raiders don’t match the offer we could receive a pick , depending on the contract he gets
March 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
How about Krappyrats white wife?
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Why do you give a shizt about his wife?
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Unless there nude?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
How about Krappyrats white wife?
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How about your greasy daddy?
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Is he going, bee, beep, beep down Sesame street? You f*cking Uncle Tom.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Time for another coup in Venezuela. Will it be the Air Force or the Navy.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Probably the army.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Hope we keep Adams most of all. I think Taiwan will be a bomb CB.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
How about Krappyrats white wife?
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Why do you give a shizt about his wife?
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Unless there nude?
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Dammit, kirk, I just ate!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Secondary and pass rush is priority number 1
March 5th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
This is a ridiculous statement. lst off, one guy was here for a year and a half, and the other guy showed up a couple of days before game time. 2ndly, one guy was “hidden” from the opposition while the other guy wasn’t even supposed to go into the game. Lastly, one game was played in the middle of the season, while the other game was the very last game of the year, between two teams going no where, one of which the coach AND GM were getting axed right after the game. Think any of those factors might make a difference?
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Palmer was an 8 year veteran playing in his 100+ nfl game, pryor was essentially a rookie making his first start of his nfl career after one week working with the first team and learning the plays. does that not play into the situation also?
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No. You probably would have wanted to be in Pryor’s shoes more than Palmers. Pryor had been with the org, he knew the offense, and while he wasn’t practicing all year with the ones, he did his best work with the two’s and threes who were in the game. Coming in like Palmer did, was the equivalent of a major league hitter coming to the plate mid way through the season facing good pitching after taking no swings. It is going to take some practice to get the timing down.
And the point that I keep bringing up is players were not playing overly hard at the beginning and end of Pryor’s start. It’s just human nature. Would you rather be in Cabo San Lucas surrounded by hotties partying down, or having surgery immediately after the game, and then staying at the facility rehabbing for three months? Guys had nothing to prove to anyone. And to SD’s credit, they came out in the second half and played hard. When they did that, Pryor did nothing. That was the most telling thing I saw out of Pryor’s start. Once SD let up, Pryor put up some numbers. Not the thing to write home about if you ask me.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Scourge Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Raider E Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
How about Krappyrats white wife?
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Why do you give a shizt about his wife?
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Unless there nude?
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Dammit, kirk, I just ate!!!
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C’Mon man I’m thinking of betty White, can’t be that bad.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Hope we keep Adams most of all. I think Taiwan will be a bomb CB.
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Man I really want to see that 6′1 can run can jump, can turn really well , give him a 7 year contract n give him 2 full years at CB
March 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
To learn CB position properly , he would make for an awesome CB
March 5th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Hope we keep Adams most of all. I think Taiwan will be a bomb CB.
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Man I really want to see that 6′1 can run can jump, can turn really well , give him a 7 year contract n give him 2 full years at CB
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He’s gonna ball. Starter IMO. At least he will be on my Madden.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Hopefully he can play some CB and reduce the number of players needed.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
To learn CB position properly , he would make for an awesome CB
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Recruited that way to Eastern Washington. I think that is where he wants to play.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
To learn CB position properly , he would make for an awesome CB
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Looks as though Taiwan is out working with TP and the WR’s.
I imagine he’s probably working out as a DB.
Good for Him to get it going now.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
7 more days until FA can’t wait , take care guys
March 5th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
To learn CB position properly , he would make for an awesome CB
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Looks as though Taiwan is out working with TP and the WR’s.
I imagine he’s probably working out as a DB.
Good for Him to get it going now.
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Dude is flat out baller with a learning diability. He should excel at man.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Like my spelling disability
March 5th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
How many RB’s do you see turn into starting Corners?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Dude is flat out baller with a learning diability. He should excel at man.
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I can see it.
Very talented athlete that is not afraid to mix it up.
If the Raiders can flip him into a productive CB it’s found money.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
How many RB’s do you see turn into starting Corners?
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The same as CB to RB……….He’s already done that?
March 5th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Like my spelling disability
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lol, I thought about pointing it out but let it pass.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
How many RB’s do you see turn into starting Corners?
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Don’t know, but why not give it a try.
I believe I read that Reggie scouted Him as a CB prospect.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Dude is flat out baller with a learning diability. He should excel at man.
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I can see it.
Very talented athlete that is not afraid to mix it up.
If the Raiders can flip him into a productive CB it’s found money
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If he can do it? I think he can, then great. If not he’s one hell of a gunner and can still carry the ball. It’s a no loose to me.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
If he can do it? I think he can, then great. If not he’s one hell of a gunner and can still carry the ball. It’s a no loose to me.
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This roster has plenty of room for Football Players.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
If he can do it? I think he can, then great. If not he’s one hell of a gunner and can still carry the ball. It’s a no loose to me.
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This roster has plenty of room for Football Players.
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Sad but true. I’ve been playing Madden online since you could play it online. ( I don’t know 10-12 years something like that) Maybe that’s bs I really don’t know, but this final roster has to be the worst of all.
March 5th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Al always collected talent and was’nt afraid of taking a shot. Cliff Branch? he could’nt catch either when he started. Stickem helped of course. DHB was his last Cliff Branch. Al was a gambling man. You have to give him that. His out of wack contracts were his way of being loyal to his players even if they were’nt loyal yo him. Notice the way seymour played last year vs this year.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/5/4068770/hue-jackson-says-al-davis-wanted-him-as-gm-not-head-coach
March 5th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
R8DER_CHIWAS Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/5/4068770/hue-jackson-says-al-davis-wanted-him-as-gm-not-head-coach
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Dam!! I can see that.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2013, 8:41 PM EST
Getty Images
A former pro basketball player who never played college football has landed a job in the NFL.
And he didn’t even have to pay $275 to get there.
Darren Fells, the younger brother of Patriots tight end Daniel Fells, has signed a three-year deal with the Seahawks. The team has confirmed the news, first reported by Ian Rapoport of NFL Network.
Fells played college basketball at Cal-Irvine, and pro basketball in Argentina.
It’s a no-risk proposition for the Seahawks, who have shown a willingness to take chances. And who have had their chances pay off.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
It’s widely believed that the next wave of quarterbacks to get new deals in the wake of the Joe Flacco contract will include Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo, and Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford.
But the most glaring contract presently belongs to Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who’ll earn less than half the average of the $20 million mark that more and more quarterbacks are approaching or exceeding.
Rodgers hasn’t asked for a new deal, and he hasn’t complained about his current contract. A league source with knowledge of the situation believes, however, that the Packers soon will take care of Rodgers.
“It is his time,” the source said.
The source also believes that, once Rodgers has a new deal, it will set a new benchmark that will stand for several years.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
ok im gone
racist trolls excuse makers and golden haired hero worshipers have at it
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Golden Haired Hero Worshippers?
Isn’t that my cue?
March 5th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
How many RB’s do you see turn into starting Corners?
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How about ones that started their college career as corners until there was no RB’s left, and that went to the combine thinking they were being looked at as a DB and not an RB?
March 5th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
The thing with Rodgers is he makes a ton of money endorsing State Farm…probably more than what his salary is, plus he basically owns the state Wisconsin.
They did a poll of the most admired figures in Wisconsin last yr. and the top 3 were:
3-Vince Lombardi
2-Jesus Christ
1-Aaron Rodgers
March 5th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Wow! Everybody pissed everybody off so much, everybody left. I keep getting sidetracked. I gotta read the last couple of hours.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Maybe Reg can learn a thing or two fromRodgers.
Should be practicing that “discount double check” move in between short stacks.
Is Reg a Blueberry or Maple syrup guy?
March 5th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
They did a poll of the most admired figures in Wisconsin last yr. and the top 3 were:
3-Vince Lombardi
2-Jesus Christ
1-Aaron Rodgers
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Not a large jewish contingent in Wisconsin, huh? Go figure.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
Is Reg a Blueberry or Maple syrup guy?
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Reggie is mine. All mine.
Maple, by the way.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Suppity Sup Sup Raida Brahs
IGAG has been gone for awhile. Was getting my abs bakes on a sunny beach in Me-he-ko. See I ain’t been missin much after reading the last 30 days of bloggets.
I think Reggie-O needs to get on board with Cullen Jenkins. The cat can provide some much needed leadership on D, since we have not had any leaders on D since Marshall left.
Remember brahs, IGAG used to be Oakglen. But IGAG don’t play that name no mo.
Big shout to my amigos I met while sunnin in Me-he-ko. Soon as one of them gets a computer, they are gonna log on and blog on. They love the Raiders almost as much as me, but you know they don’t love them more than me. Oakglen is the biggest #1 fan. Can you say that?
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March 5th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Is Reg a Blueberry or Maple syrup guy?
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Both. Keeps plates with each going at the same time.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Scourge
Speaking from experience that is the prefered method of tokers everywhere.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
It’s widely believed that the next wave of quarterbacks to get new deals in the wake of the Joe Flacco contract will include Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo, and Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford.
But the most glaring contract presently belongs to Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who’ll earn less than half the average of the $20 million mark that more and more quarterbacks are approaching or exceeding.
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Cool. I’m gonna ask for a raise!
March 5th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Wow! Everybody pissed everybody off so much, everybody left. I keep getting sidetracked. I gotta read the last couple of hours.
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You hear that…… nice ain’t it? No more QB POST!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
IGAG’s back! Now we’ll get the real skinny on what’s going on at the Raiders’ operational headquarters.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
All you guys are racist pos.
LOL
March 5th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Scourge
Speaking from experience that is the prefered method of tokers everywhere.
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Religiously, I bet!
March 5th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
PURV
How was the llama birthing fiasco today.
Was confused whe you said you had to check out Llama ass for legs all day. It really skewed my perception of the Llama birth experience.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
IGAG was a big hit in Me-he-ko. You kno IGAG was decked out in Raider gear. People thought I was a Raider honcho. Seguro te amo mis los Raiders. IGAG was a big hit in Me-he-ko. But I’m back now. Go IGAG. Buh-Buy Oakglen.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
They did a poll of the most admired figures in Wisconsin last yr. and the top 3 were:
3-Vince Lombardi
2-Jesus Christ
1-Aaron Rodgers
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Not a large jewish contingent in Wisconsin, huh? Go figure.
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No. Mostly persons of German and French ancestry. Germans in Milwaukee obviously..beer capitol of the world at one time and alot of french named towns like Fond U Lac, La Crosse, Lac Du Flambeau etc.
They LOVE their Packers up there. The Packers represent their very identities as human beings.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
My names Jesus and I do it so I guess you could say religiously would be an appropritae explaination.
Can I get another short stack please, hold the bacon.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Scourge Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
IGAG’s back! Now we’ll get the real skinny on what’s going on at the Raiders’ operational headquarters.
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IGAG will be camping in a tree with some binoculars to bring you the scoop scoop. Heard Reggie and DA got banned from IHOP and now are hangin at Dennys. Hacen unas tortitas buen sabor de México. IGAG is banned from IHOP too. I’ve had the runs for about 2 weeks now.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Hola a todos. IGAG ha vuelto a hacer un poco de los blogs serio.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Hugo Chavez died of cancer, just like Marley. Oppose the Empire, pay the price. Heard gas costs less than a quarter there…or did.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
IGAG se reunió con algunos hoochie dulce que amaba para mí para comprar su cerveza. Ella me abandonó como una patata caliente cuando se me acabó el dinero. Ouch.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
It’s interesting what winning can do for a team and and their fans. For years the Packers used to play half their home games in Milwaukee at the old home of the Brewers..County Stadium…Lambeau only housed 4 reg. season games a year…until I think around ‘92 when they started winning and then GB wanted their team back for the whole season.
Their popularity has skyrocketed since then. You could get tickets for games at County Stadium. Bears fans would travel an hour and a half up I-94 and almost take over the place.
Now the waiting list at Lambeau is like 20 r’s or some ridiculous thing like that.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Ahhhh, the Low Browed Retards……………………………..
March 5th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
IGAG needs some serious IHOP to soak up all the dysentary in my belly. But since me and Reggie and DA are banned from there, think I’ll start hangin at dennys.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Raiders need to start winning. The support will be there from the business community and fans if they do.
Losing is a tough sell no matter how much history you have.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
The five stages of grief;
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
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Denial-Pryor is better than Palmer. Look at that 53 per cent third down conversion rate! And red zone scoring!(forget that gift blocked punt at the 11 yard line)
Anger- Ongoing and vitriolic to the point of lunacy.
Bargaining-Beginning already. At least there’s going to be an open competition for the QB position.
Depression-Will set in during OTA’s and mini camps and all other team activities before training camp and pre season, with Palmer being the QB focus.
Acceptance-Palmer plays the first quarter of 3 out of 4 pre season games because he’s the starter.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Ahhhh, the Low Browed Retards……………………………..
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relación?
March 5th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
PURV
How was the llama birthing fiasco today.
Was confused whe you said you had to check out Llama ass for legs all day. It really skewed my perception of the Llama birth experience.
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The funny part is that you had a preconceived perception of the Llama birthing experience. Lol.
March 5th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
Ahhhh, the Low Browed Retards……………………………..
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The oh so sensitive to slurs n1gga throwing the retard slam out there?
March 5th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Raiders need to start winning. The support will be there from the business community and fans if they do.
Losing is a tough sell no matter how much history you have.
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Winning, that is what I’m talking about. F all this loose some more and get better shizt.
March 5th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
IGAG, could you please provide translations for those of us for whom Spanish is not even a secondary language.
March 5th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
It’s interesting what winning can do for a team and and their fans. For years the Packers used to play half their home games in Milwaukee at the old home of the Brewers..County Stadium…Lambeau only housed 4 reg. season games a year…until I think around ‘92 when they started winning and then GB wanted their team back for the whole season.
Their popularity has skyrocketed since then. You could get tickets for games at County Stadium. Bears fans would travel an hour and a half up I-94 and almost take over the place.
Now the waiting list at Lambeau is like 20 r’s or some ridiculous thing like that.
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I hate fudgepacker fans. I didn’t know a single one until that hick from Mississipi got traded there. They didn’t exist. Biggest bandwaggoners there are. I’m talking 49er bandwagon type.
March 5th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
P-man, love the grief and loss illustration! But you knew I would!
March 5th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
After birth, do llamas cry for their llmamas?
March 5th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
any mech. engineers in here?
March 5th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Scourge Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
After birth, do llamas cry for their llmamas?
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lol
March 5th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Scourge Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
any mech. engineers in here?
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Do you mean guys/gals that go to school to learn how to design and draw shizt that don’t really work?
March 5th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
new post
March 5th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Scourge Says:
March 5th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
any mech. engineers in here?
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Do you mean guys/gals that go to school to learn how to design and draw shizt that don’t really work?
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Yeah, better than I can do.
Please go to next story.
March 5th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Scourge Says:
any mech. engineers in here?
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Kind of, why?
March 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
P-man & everyone, go to next story…
March 5th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
The funny part is that you had a preconceived perception of the Llama birthing experience. Lol.
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Free thinker bro, always trying to broaden my horizons and learn something new everyday.