Breaking news: Raiders restructure Branch’s contract
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, March 7th, 2013 at 2:23 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders freed up $5 million or so in salary cap room by restructuring the contract of starting strong safety Tyvon Branch on Thursday, according to a person familiar with the situation.
The Raiders reduced Branch’s base salary from $6 million to $715,000 for 2013. In exchange, the Raiders tacked on two seasons to the four-year contract Branch signed last season.
Branch still is in line to earn $6 million in 2013, in large part because of a $3.5 million roster bonus the Raiders honored. The saving comes in the form of reducing Branch’s cap figure from $10.9 million to approximately $6 million.
Branch’s salaries for 2014 and 2015 remain unchanged. However, he now is slated to earn $6.5 million in 2016 and ’17.
Branch was the Raiders franchise-tag player last season. The long-term contract he ultimately signed superseded the franchise-tag designation and ensured the Raiders keeping Branch in the fold for the next several seasons.
The Raiders now are more than $6 million under the cap, giving them some much-needed ammunition to re-sign some of their own prospective free agents, as well as some from other teams that are about to hit the open market Tuesday.
Earlier this week, the Raiders freed up more than $2 million by restructuring the contract of right guard Mike Brisiel.
Several other players are being targeted for restructured deals, as well, including quarterback Carson Palmer, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, free safety Michael Huff and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
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March 7th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Reggie already working a Reggie deal.
That can be construed as either good or bad news I guess.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Good job Reggie, f8ck the whiner trolls
March 7th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Cut him.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
I didnt say cp agreeing to a pay cut was common sense.. jesùs gdog learn to read. Im tired of defending the things the voices in your head say in my name.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
At least there is no big signing bonus that stretches a bunch of dead money if we have to cut him.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
go reggie go!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
At least Branch is getting paid what he’s worth for one year of the contract.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Palmer will restructure, so will DHB and many others, n did i say f8ck the whiner trolls ? oh yeah f8ck the one trolls again
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Yes! Now the worst pair of safties in the nfl are locked into lifetime deals! WoooHooo
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Branch could easily be cut in 2015, 16, we would carry any more of dead money into cap , just win baby
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
hey, sometimes you do hear the news here first
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
There is a realistic chance of Branch ACTUALLY receiving that 6.5 per in 4-5 years, if he can learn how to cover a zone.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
What’s in it for Branch anyway? An extra non guaranteed 2 years at 6.5 mil?
This isn’t the whole story. If it is then his agent sucks.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Tyvon Branch, 26, now locked in as a Raider until he’s 31.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
He should have got at least a couple mil bonus for being a good soldier.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Ben Maller Verified account
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Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland Raiders, now thats some franchise
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March 7th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
You cant restructure Palmer twice.. Its gonna have to be a pay cut.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
13.Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
What’s in it for Branch anyway? An extra non guaranteed 2 years at 6.5 mil?
This isn’t the whole story. If it is then his agent sucks.
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i would guess more guaranteed money for him throughout the course of his contract. guaranteed money means more than anything.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Levi Damien @LeviDamien
#Raiders have confirmed DT Cullen Jenkins visited yesterday.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Reggie McKenzie probably thinking to himself, “If I haven’t won in Oakland by the time Branch is 31, I’ll be out anyway.”
March 7th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
they don’t mention the bonus. it’s kind of unlikely his deal is so much different than brisels.. im sure we’re stuck with him..
March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Branch’s best attribute is being the guy who comes into frame just as the other team is about to complete a long TD, right?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I didnt say cp agreeing to a pay cut was common sense.. jesus guy learn to read. Im tired of defending the things the voices in your head say in my name.
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So explain why CP would take such a substantial paycut then for a team where the fans don’t want him here?
He had higher PFF metrics than QB’s like Rivers, Bradford, Flacco, and within spitting distance of players like Smith, and Cutler.
Do you see any of these players cutting their salary in half?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
i think this is a big deal past the fact that OAK got further under the cap ….
Its a big deal because Tyvon is the best player/most productive and has growth to be best out of:
Palmer, Kelly, DHB & Huff
and for him to publically restructure before them, delievers a message to the rest that they should do the same when bargained with.
I know DHB will too, no leverage.
But Kelly is a big question and palmer is more of a debateable thing
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Ben Maller Verified account
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Fox Sports Radio Host XM 169, NBC Sports Network contributor.
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland Raiders, now thats some franchise
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Wow. If Ben maller said it…..who’s Ben maller anyway?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Can’t wait to see what DHB’s restructure looks like? it should be interesting.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Lol! Shreg apologists say he had to deal with al’s screwed up contracts. Now he has to re-do his own screwed up contracts & mcexcuse celebrates it. Makes sense to me
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
What’s in it for Branch anyway? An extra non guaranteed 2 years at 6.5 mil?
This isn’t the whole story. If it is then his agent sucks.
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He also gets a lifetime supply of spam and a seat at the table at iHop with RM
March 7th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
There is a realistic chance of Branch ACTUALLY receiving that 6.5 per in 4-5 years, if he can learn how to cover a zone.
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And maybe DHB will learn to catch and run routs.
And Slowlando will learn to take his head out of his azz.
And Pryor will learn how to throw a football.
And still waiting on Huff to learn how to cover and take the correct angle of pursuit.
And maybe McFadden will learn how to run in the ZBS.
Or maybe DA will learn how to coach.
So many guys with potential on this team!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
And maybe I will learn how to type on this phone.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Man….. cant ask the gut to trim the fat.. more years for everyone!!!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Ben Maller Verified account
@benmaller
Fox Sports Radio Host XM 169, NBC Sports Network contributor.
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland Raiders, now thats some franchise
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Wow. If Ben maller said it…..who’s Ben maller anyway?
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Some blowhard on Fox sports raido
March 7th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Ben Maller Verified account
@benmaller
Fox Sports Radio Host XM 169, NBC Sports Network contributor.
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland Raiders, now thats some franchise
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Wow. If Ben maller said it…..who’s Ben maller anyway?
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It says who he is, a nobody….
March 7th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Levi Damien @LeviDamien
#Raiders have confirmed DT Cullen Jenkins visited yesterday.
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If he’s Kelly’s replacement “old guy who can occasionally put pressure on the QB but will mostly suck” but at a much lower price (figuring in the cap hit of cutting TK), then I’m all for it. Especially if we can resign Bryant and draft a pass rusher.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I didnt say cp agreeing to a pay cut was common sense.. jesus guy learn to read. Im tired of defending the things the voices in your head say in my name.
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So explain why CP would take such a substantial paycut then for a team where the fans don’t want him here?
He had higher PFF metrics than QB’s like Rivers, Bradford, Flacco, and within spitting distance of players like Smith, and Cutler.
Do you see any of these players cutting their salary in half?
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Actually those guys are getting their salaries raised. If anyone needs to get his cut into pieces it’s this guy:
2. Darren McFadden
When watching Darren McFadden this season it’s hard to believe he’s the same running back who ran for over 5 yards per carry and 1,157 yards in 2010. He just wasn’t able to break tackles effectively. Out of 48 qualifying running backs, McFadden had the 42nd-best Elusive Rating and the 45th-best average yards after contact. Meanwhile, teammates Mike Goodson and Marcel Reece blew away McFadden’s numbers in every possible aspect when they got their chance. Not the kind of season you want from a guy making almost $10m.
2012 Cap Hit: $9.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.1m
Value Differential: -$8.4m
March 7th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
WOW whiner troll took total of 2 minutes to take my bait
March 7th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
There is a realistic chance of Branch ACTUALLY receiving that 6.5 per in 4-5 years, if he can learn how to cover a zone.
+++++++++++++++
And maybe DHB will learn to catch and run routs.
And Slowlando will learn to take his head out of his azz.
And Pryor will learn how to throw a football.
And still waiting on Huff to learn how to cover and take the correct angle of pursuit.
And maybe McFadden will learn how to run in the ZBS.
Or maybe DA will learn how to coach.
So many guys with potential on this team!
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in a not quite as sarcastic way i was thinking the same thing, guys like mitchell, branch, huff, moore, dhb, streater, criner, houston, branch, shaughnessey, burris, ausberry, pryor, crawford, christo have potential given the proper coaching who knows how good they could be
March 7th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Welcome back al the troll , james civilian trapp, dr the best troll should be on the way, along with gayfoshow, n few others, mistic should be on the way
March 7th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Wow. If Ben maller said it…..who’s Ben maller anyway?
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its says what reggie is saying to himself.. or why would he as palmer to take a pay cut?
It pretty much goes in line with what most media guys saying.. including Ed Werner
March 7th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Ben Maller Verified account
@benmaller
Fox Sports Radio Host XM 169, NBC Sports Network contributor.
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland Raiders, now thats some franchise
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Wow. If Ben maller said it…..who’s Ben maller anyway?
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One of many, who are you?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
23.Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I didnt say cp agreeing to a pay cut was common sense.. jesus guy learn to read. Im tired of defending the things the voices in your head say in my name.
>>>>
So explain why CP would take such a substantial paycut then for a team where the fans don’t want him here?
He had higher PFF metrics than QB’s like Rivers, Bradford, Flacco, and within spitting distance of players like Smith, and Cutler.
Do you see any of these players cutting their salary in half?
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flacco jsust won the super bowl and got grossly underpaid. he’ll probably be restructuring or getting cut/traded in the next three yrs when the teams falls off the wagon after losing so many other good players bc of inability to pay them.
rivers is the closest to palmers salary at 12 mil. he has been their franchise qb and earned his contract with the team that gave him the contract. still i’m sure they are quietly in talks with him to restructure or the good of the team
bradofrd, cutler, and smith make about, a little more but about, half of carson palmers salary to begin with sothey don’t even count. especially bradford being only in his 3rd yr and clearly the teams franchise qb.
all of the other vet qbs have won playoff games also. that always helps…
March 7th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
2. Darren McFadden
When watching Darren McFadden this season it’s hard to believe he’s the same running back who ran for over 5 yards per carry and 1,157 yards in 2010. He just wasn’t able to break tackles effectively. Out of 48 qualifying running backs, McFadden had the 42nd-best Elusive Rating and the 45th-best average yards after contact. Meanwhile, teammates Mike Goodson and Marcel Reece blew away McFadden’s numbers in every possible aspect when they got their chance. Not the kind of season you want from a guy making almost $10m.
2012 Cap Hit: $9.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.1m
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2012 Performance Based Value for McFadden is $1.1mm. When Palmer takes a sh** in the morning his performance based value is higher than that.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
I don’t have to explain why Palmer should take a huge pay cut. I never said he would like it or want 1. But Reggie needs to figure out a way to make Carson valuable to the team instead of an albatross we are rebuilding get it?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
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Wow. If Ben maller said it…..who’s Ben maller anyway?
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One of many, who are you?
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Notice how they dont touch the statistic only on who is BEn Maller?
March 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Who fck1ng gives a fukk what happens in 15 or 16, we obviously wouldn’t be faced with crazy contracts all over the team, so it would be easy to cut 1 or 2 players who are making too much in 15 or 16, the main thing is you should be happy we got some salary cap to work with this year, and more players would take pay cut to make this happen, some of you guys are just so sad, they never get happy ever, who the f8ck cares 3-4 years down the road
March 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland
TRADE JUSTIFIED!!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Ben Maller Verified account
@benmaller
Fox Sports Radio Host XM 169, NBC Sports Network contributor.
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland Raiders, now thats some franchise
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Wow. If Ben maller said it…..who’s Ben maller anyway?
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One of many, who are you?
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I’m the guy that has to alert the nurses you’re awake so they can sedate you and put you back to sleep.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Branch’s best attribute is being the guy who comes into frame just as the other team is about to complete a long TD, right?
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LOL!
Don’t forget Gio coming into frame, then reaching for his hammy….
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Palmer’s half of ints came in 4 games, 7 in first 2, 3-4 in GB when they took 34-0 something lead midway 3rd quarter and 1 other game he had multiple picks, so it wasn’t like he was averaging 2 every game
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Slam Branch Slam Palmer…
Why not go after the real problems. Like the right side of the offensive line including bad play from Willie Smith and our poor depth there, poor WR play, poor blocking out of TE position. Piss poor MLB play, no pass rush. Is Wiz at center really a fit? So sick of talking about players who are not really problems. What is next are we going to go after Huff as a CB or man that Jano he missed so many from 60 plus.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Alright. Seems like a good deal.
I still haven’t decided on TB.
People “in the know” in NFL seem to think highly of him.
Yet I watch EVERY game, every play, sometimes many times (plays). And I can’t tell which player is the one responsible for the blown coverage or who was supposed to be in what hole.
Maybe sometime we’ll have a real NFL Defense and we can assess TyBranch properly….
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
So explain why CP would take such a substantial paycut then for a team where the fans don’t want him here?
He had higher PFF metrics than QB’s like Rivers, Bradford, Flacco, and within spitting distance of players like Smith, and Cutler.
Do you see any of these players cutting their salary in half?
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Actually those guys are getting their salaries raised. If anyone needs to get his cut into pieces it’s this guy:
2. Darren McFadden
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Finally… A voice of reason!
Yes, McF SHOULD take a pay cut because not only did he suck last year, he cannot stay off the IR.
CP??? All he did was be our best player and the team leader (just ask Pryor.)
HE NEEDS TO TAKE A PAY CUT!!!
Jeesh… with “fans” like this I hope CP does get cut so he can play in front of more intelligent fans!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Darren should get paid by the yard… glassboy
March 7th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Palmer was good for us, Palmer would have took us to the playoff in 11, if we had NFL type offense, but thanks to Hue jackson for keeping that POS Chuck Bresnahan and his game plan that cost us Detroit game and couldn’t even force 1 punt in week 17
March 7th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
This place is a good example of why “majority rules” is a bad policy.
The majority are clueless.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
I think, at the very least, it shows branch is willing to do what it takes to make this team etter right now, and that he is committed to the raiders. It says more about branch than it does reggie or anyone else.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Do players restructure this often on non-playoff teams.
I think you have to respect that some of these guys would even do it to stay in Oakland.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Slam Branch Slam Palmer…
Why not go after the real problems.
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Because these morons in here don’t know what the real problems are. That is the call of the casual fan. If the team loses, “fire the coach”, “cut the QB”!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Slam Branch Slam Palmer…
Why not go after the real problems. Like the right side of the offensive line including bad play from Willie Smith and our poor depth there, poor WR play, poor blocking out of TE position. Piss poor MLB play, no pass rush. Is Wiz at center really a fit? So sick of talking about players who are not really problems. What is next are we going to go after Huff as a CB or man that Jano he missed so many from 60 plus.
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most of these are WHiner trolls and some who are in too much love with anything black, (IDiot KELL, Mistic, Priest, DEBo)
March 7th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Yea lets slam Branch for coming over to help because Gio, MM are out of position or a LB blew coverage or a CB just got flat out burned. Branch was probably our best defender last year. One beat writer called him our Def MVP – while noting that was not saying much.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Whoa Goobs, check this out
Just got a call from my date for tomorrow night, who asked if she could bring along a friend who is totally into lezbo action
She mentioned the words Menage A Trois a few times, so obviously I pitched a huge tent (14.5 inches of pure Lawg) and threw a hot pocket in the toaster oven
Brahs, might work on a new seductive rap jam to express my current feelings of sensuality
Gonna drop a huge duece first, wish me luck
March 7th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Darren should get paid by the yard… glassboy
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hahaha. Good one. But if he did that, all five of his baby momma’s would starve.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Where is that idiot whiner troll *MR* on his DR thompson ID, to say fire REggie, and his other sock puppets chiming in and repeating the worn out comments
March 7th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland
TRADE JUSTIFIED!!
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10 of his ints bounced off receivers or the receiver fell down. Another 3 of them came the day after he had a couch surgically removed from his azz.
Best QB since Gannon and people want him run out of town for Tui part II.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
I don’t have to explain why Palmer should take a huge pay cut.
….
Ahh, so you are just blabbering substance-free nonsense again. As usual.
Carry on…
poof
March 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Reg, putting in some work..
The waffle iron at IHOP must be on the fritz…
March 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
52.Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
So explain why CP would take such a substantial paycut then for a team where the fans don’t want him here?
He had higher PFF metrics than QB’s like Rivers, Bradford, Flacco, and within spitting distance of players like Smith, and Cutler.
Do you see any of these players cutting their salary in half?
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Actually those guys are getting their salaries raised. If anyone needs to get his cut into pieces it’s this guy:
2. Darren McFadden
>>>
Finally… A voice of reason!
Yes, McF SHOULD take a pay cut because not only did he suck last year, he cannot stay off the IR.
CP??? All he did was be our best player and the team leader (just ask Pryor.)
HE NEEDS TO TAKE A PAY CUT!!!
Jeesh… with “fans” like this I hope CP does get cut so he can play in front of more intelligent fans!
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they are going to give mcfadden an extension because they want him long term because he is our most valuable player. it will lower his cap hit this year. book it. it will happen. Raiders def doing things behind the scenes as evidenced by this branch deal. no one saw this coming.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Vet quarterbacks are supposed to mentor young quarterbacks. That does not make CP a team leader. Or a leader of men that the players respect, fear and love.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland
TRADE JUSTIFIED!!
++++++++++++++++++
10 of his ints bounced off receivers or the receiver fell down. Another 3 of them came the day after he had a couch surgically removed from his azz.
Best QB since Gannon and people want him run out of town for Tui part II.
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No kidding. I’ve always been pulling for him here, but after reading this forum it makes me hope he goes to a team with fans that get the game.
I guess I should stop reading this forum…
March 7th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Vet quarterbacks are supposed to mentor young quarterbacks. That does not make CP a team leader. Or a leader of men that the players respect, fear and love.
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Always something for every instance
March 7th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Tyvon did the absolute right thing.
just watched hoge on nfl 32 again, clearly stating Geno late on reads and inaccurate, needs work with feet.
No way Geno a Raider!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Schefter says chris houston or keenan lewis for cb
March 7th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland
TRADE JUSTIFIED!!
++++++++++++++++++
10 of his ints bounced off receivers or the receiver fell down. Another 3 of them came the day after he had a couch surgically removed from his azz.
Best QB since Gannon and people want him run out of town for Tui part II.
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No kidding. I’ve always been pulling for him here, but after reading this forum it makes me hope he goes to a team with fans that get the game.
I guess I should stop reading this forum…
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Maybe we should all ignore these trolls (AL_is_the_raiders, gayfoshow, Dr. thompson, James trapp idiot, kool kell, supa myopic idiot, periodsTJ. RetardDEBO
March 7th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Notice how they dont touch the statistic only on who is BEn Maller?
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Yep. Or some crazy other analogy that’s not analogous
March 7th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Palmer is virtually untradeable at his current salary. Would need a partner with tons of cap room and no concern about overpaying for his services.
Roturdo McWhiff ? It doesn’t matter if the cap hit is 20 million.
He’s got to go.
And don’t worry about him doing something elsewhere.
He’s a freaking stiff that’s as slow as a snail. He’ll be out of the NFL by 2014, if not sooner.
In fact, one of the tragedies of last season occurred after Sloturdo had his blowup with Tits and Slo wasn’t cut IMMEDIATELY.
Keeping that POS on the roster – to save a few cap dollars, or possibly get a draft pick of any kind for him, or even to humiliate him by turning him into McGreenbeanie – was a bullschit move by an organization that didn’t have enough self respect to just send that schithead packing.
Comes a time when you just part ways with a turd out of principle and to set standards, regardless of cost or consequences.
That time came and went for Slo, and every moment he’s spent on the roster since then is an embarrassment.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
65. Wow.. way to disect a post… I guess if you read 13 words out of 100 you might misunderstand alot.. now im seeing your reading comprehension problem clearer..
March 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
When you say palmer best qb since gannon, rings a bit hollow, means nothing. Sorry yes, aaron brooks. Worked out quite well
March 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Is Merrill Hoge a QB coach? I think he was just a avg. running back.
He don’t know sh*t about QB’s. You guys shouldn’t watch all that crap.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
I hate it when they call Pittsburgh the classiest organization in sports, their freaking QB was accused of rape, their freaking OLB was giving concussions to players left and right
March 7th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Zero teams will trade for Palmer, get off the meds immediately
March 7th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Hoge doesn’t know sheet!
March 7th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Palmer is gonna do what he wants and that fact is cemented in his history.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Yes hoge was a rb, but are you serious? The guy knows how to breakdown film. Btw teddy bruschi played lb, he knows crap what is your point???
March 7th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Best QB since Gannon and people want him run out of town for Tui part II.
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Not according to his 8-16 record.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
the branch restructure is just another example of Reggie f****** up.what is this like the third contract of Reggies that he’s had to restructure only a year later? Cp next..
March 7th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Please someone please engage me with some intelligent conversation
March 7th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
These ex-players trying to analyze the draft are pure show trying to stay in the lime-light and be relevent.
Hoge knows if he is wrong that noone is gonna hold him to his anaysis. It’s a crap shoot is what he will say. Some thing like:
“Duh, the draft is a crap shoot, sometimes you never know.”
March 7th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
When you say palmer best qb since gannon, rings a bit hollow, means nothing. Sorry yes, aaron brooks. Worked out quite well
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Bullshyyyyt, It means we have been waiting a decade for a decent QB, now we have one and the brainless amongst us want him run out of town so we can search another decade for a decent QB.
It just proves how ignorant many in the nation really are.
Same bunch wanted Tui to replace Gannon.
Same bunch claims Gruden was not a good HC.
Gives credence to the “Dumbest fans in America” title we are getting saddled with.
March 7th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Listen Branch can play and is still young, it is a good restructure
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
I’m just saying watch the games have you ever seen Carson Palmer be a “leader”.. ever? Cinci? Usc?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
No Bruschi isn’t just a mouth. At least not yet. Hoge loves to hear himself talk. He says stuff str8 outta his @$$ sometimes…
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Slam Branch Slam Palmer…
Why not go after the real problems. Like the right side of the offensive line including bad play from Willie Smith and our poor depth there, poor WR play, poor blocking out of TE position. Piss poor MLB play, no pass rush. Is Wiz at center really a fit? So sick of talking about players who are not really problems. What is next are we going to go after Huff as a CB or man that Jano he missed so many from 60 plus.
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Palmer is clearly overpaid and has his status raised too high by many and too low by many others. Combine that with the fact that he is an aging QB on a losing team with a young QB behind him and a high draft pick potentially (hopefully not) used on another young QB, and it might just be a hot topic.
Branch just happens to be the topic of the current post.
All of those other topics come up all the time. There is always that underlying Palmer vs Pryor thing going on too, but if you want to bring up the o-line, WRs, MLB, pass rush, whatever, then just bring it up.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Must’ve closed the IHOP early today
March 7th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
78.Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Is Merrill Hoge a QB coach? I think he was just a avg. running back.
He don’t know sh*t about QB’s. You guys shouldn’t watch all that crap.
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Mike Mayock who’s so high on him was a safety. he’s no qb coach either. all these people are just stating opinions. If i’m not mistake Mike Mayock also praised jamarcus coming out of college too. I’m just saying. don’t know how good geno is going to be. nobody does. most of how a player does in the nfl is how hard they are willing to work once they get in the nfl so no one knows for sure what will happen.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Palmer is gonna do what he wants and that fact is cemented in his history.
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Honestly, there is a reason for that. If I were Palmer, there is NO WAY I would restructure anything right now. And the organization knows it. And if the org went with Pryor it would be a complete and total disaster. And if they drafted say Geno Smith 3rd overall, and he flopped, which he would with no supporting cast, the org would be pushed back ANOTHER 4-5 years. With the Whiners about to open a brand new stadium and playing in Super Bowls and the Raiders potentially becoming EVEN MORE OF A JOKE, it would be absolutely catastrophic for the franchise and costs them hundreds of millions of dollars, maybe more. It’s not an option to lose that kind of money.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Bruschi comes off much better imo thus far. Eventually he’ll become a mouth breather like the most of them. They get more attention that way.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Branch and huff are terrible…
March 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Dakota my point about Palmer is clear, he needs to restructure severely or be cut, palmer can throw, a d a good soldier, but do you seriously think he will get us to the playoffs this year? No, he will be 34 and we need to move to 2014
March 7th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Yes hoge was a rb, but are you serious? The guy knows how to breakdown film. Btw teddy bruschi played lb, he knows crap what is your point???
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Brushi is just a talking head as well. if these guys new anything they would be coaches and compete. That’s what they love, or so they say. They just want to be on twitter and spout nonsense.
You don’t see Howie long analyzing the draft.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
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Palmer is clearly overpaid
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No he isn’t. You think he is. As I have said now dozens of times, go to the PFF series showing overpaid players. Palmer is no where on the list. There is a reason. He is not overpaid.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Good point SeymourBush.
Aren’t you going to have to restructure your screen name sometime soon?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Sorry, I don’t think much of espn nfl analysts but hoge is one of the better ones….rice sucks, so does your man teddy.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Several other players are being targeted for restructured deals, as well, including quarterback Carson Palmer, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, free safety Michael Huff and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
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If we are cutting Palmer why is he being targeted for restructuring? I think there is a whole lot of wishful thinking going on from Team Pryor. By the way unlike many I like Palmer as the Starter and I think Pryor showed us enought to give him a try at #2. You can actually like both players.
If RM is working to keep even a guy like Kelly it shows me that RM is trying to build more continuity and a team as long as players want to be here, can play and do not have totally out of wack contracts because if it was me I would have cut him last year as well as Seymour.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Because these morons in here don’t know what the real problems are. That is the call of the casual fan. If the team loses, “fire the coach”, “cut the QB”!
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Ya I guess Reggie is a Moron then right? I mean afterall he is the one who will cut or tell Palmer to take a pay cut.
Now way a rebuilding team is gonna pay above average qb 13 milly who is not a difference maker. Welp..that MORON REGGIE!! hopefully he gets him around 6 million dollars. Thats fair
March 7th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
When you say palmer best qb since gannon, rings a bit hollow, means nothing. Sorry yes, aaron brooks. Worked out quite well
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Bullshyyyyt, It means we have been waiting a decade for a decent QB, now we have one and the brainless amongst us want him run out of town so we can search another decade for a decent QB.
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Ding ding ding ding ding!!!! Dakota wins the prize for “one poster who gets it”!!
March 7th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I like Gannon, Chucky and Palmer.. but i dont need palmer and his 15mil tag for 4 wins.. sorry no
March 7th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I want a guy without frills breaking down tape quickly, hoge isn’t breaking down the draft, just individual players and is concise and to the point, mcshay is awful
March 7th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
2 contracts already reworked? Lol
March 7th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
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March 7th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
When I watch TP throw I definitely don’t get the impression that arm strength is a problem.
I don’t think there’s much of a problem with his set-up or delivery either.
I do think there’s a problem with him trying to be too precise instead of just letting it rip.==========
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the real issue was that he didnt want to make mistakes.
he was buried on the bench and clearly understood that the coach had no intention of giving him a shot and may have had pre conceived ideas about pryor before he took the job. the evidence is in the statement ‘he isnt ready to be the back up” then the about face and saying how impressed he was the next week in practice and post week 17 start.
pryor understands that people ar5e trying to and always have tried to downgrade his passing ability so he was being very fine in order to avoid fueling those claims with errant throws.
This is what happens when you essentially get a half week tryout for you nfl career. If pryor struggled in that game with turn overs is there any doubt that he would have been relegated to the status of a poor mans tebow?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Palmer is gonna do what he wants and that fact is cemented in his history.
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Honestly, there is a reason for that. If I were Palmer, there is NO WAY I would restructure anything right now. And the organization knows it. And if the org went with Pryor it would be a complete and total disaster. And if they drafted say Geno Smith 3rd overall, and he flopped, which he would with no supporting cast, the org would be pushed back ANOTHER 4-5 years. With the Whiners about to open a brand new stadium and playing in Super Bowls and the Raiders potentially becoming EVEN MORE OF A JOKE, it would be absolutely catastrophic for the franchise and costs them hundreds of millions of dollars, maybe more. It’s not an option to lose that kind of money.
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I do agrre with this statement, and like I said weeks ago. Palmer holds all the cards regardless of w/l record. He don’t have to do anything but dare them to cut him. He can retire or pick up a few more mil somewhere else.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
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Palmer is clearly overpaid
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No he isn’t. You think he is. As I have said now dozens of times, go to the PFF series showing overpaid players. Palmer is no where on the list. There is a reason. He is not overpaid.
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Well, everybody but his bootlickers say he IS overpaid. Go figure.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
JLofty Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Good point SeymourBush.
Aren’t you going to have to restructure your screen name sometime soon?
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Hahahaha. Good one. I thought about that. But then the ignorant in here that accuse me of “cross posting” will claim to be vindicated. Besides, my name has nothing to do with any Raider players past or present.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Sure Palmer is great, keep dreaming about the playoffs wow you guys are delusional.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Palmer was good for us, Palmer would have took us to the playoff in 11, if we had NFL type offense, but thanks to Hue jackson for keeping that POS Chuck Bresnahan and his game plan that cost us Detroit game and couldn’t even force 1 punt in week 17
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word.
That Detroit game hurts still.
that was the often called “WTF D?” scheme
March 7th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Of course Carson is overpaid. He is more of a $7-9 million dollar guy….but there is no other option….other than tanking the 2013 season. Everyone ready to give up on next year before one free agent is signed or one player drafted?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
If Palmer wants to ensure his place in the Hall of Fame, he needs to leave here and go to a ready made team to lead him into the Playoffs. Lol.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
100.Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
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Palmer is clearly overpaid
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No he isn’t. You think he is. As I have said now dozens of times, go to the PFF series showing overpaid players. Palmer is no where on the list. There is a reason. He is not overpaid.
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he has the second highest base salary in the nfl behind peyton manning (actually 3rd now behind flacco)
he is the seventh highest paid qb in the league in terms of cap hit. he is making more of a cap hit than brady, rodgers, and roethlisberger. all younger, all better, all super bowl champs. he hasn’t won a playoff game in his entire career. has a career losing record and only won 10 games the past 3 years. he is definitely overpaid. he is an avg. qb. top 2? top 7? not even close.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
or even Buffalo 4th and goal ….
Detroit to calvin johnson ….
both Rolandos fault.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Palmers 25 INTS.. HE HAS NO WR’s .. NO LINE!
Palmers 30 TDS… TRADE JUSTFIED!!
March 7th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
If I’m Palmer I don’t restructure sh*t unless it was already talked about when I restructured last season.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
The team is so much in need of talent infusion it is ludicrous, and yes on defense not offense, i am definitely buying how our D finished up the year totally misleading against mediocre teams. We need a beast to replace kelly and we are so deficient at LB, we need a safety a d a shutdown corner, oh yes we need a pass rusher
March 7th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Well, everybody but his bootlickers say he IS overpaid. Go figure.
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Everybody. You mean guys like Ben Maller, Al Kaholic, Mike Hunt and Hue Jass.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
So is our line going to be Veldy-Berg-Wiz-Bris-Falsestart this year? Hopefully some of this money we free up can be used there. Eeek.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Dakota my point about Palmer is clear, he needs to restructure severely or be cut, palmer can throw, a d a good soldier, but do you seriously think he will get us to the playoffs this year? No, he will be 34 and we need to move to 2014
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Ok, this drives me crazy. Manning was 36 and coming off major surgery and damn near had a MVP season.
And the only reason CP might not go to the playoffs with the Raiders isn’t because he is horrible… its because we need to put better players around him. First thing he needs is a better line. Thats why I want Warmack.
Secondly he needs a true number one WR… that can maybe be achieved through free agency.
The rest can be achieved by better offensive coaching… is it a stretch to say Knapp cost us 5 games last year? I don’t think so at all. If you do… detail the specifics here:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Redia
You act like I never read this blog or contribute. I have been here since before 2006. I do not need an introductory pep talk.
The problem I see is people are so fixated on problems that are actually not problems. Palmer is good enough to get us to the playoffs if the team was decent around him. McFadden keeps making the comment about the Detroit game in 2011 – if they could just stop a 99 yard drive for crine out loud! Is he overpaid. I think he is a little but some of that big cap number is from restructuring from before.
Then there is Branch – he is an above average safety but he is like herding cats out there with the porus defense and very little pass rush – what the heck do you think it is going to look like.
We should be talking about RT and RGs. I am upset we reworked Brissell. I did post about it. It did not go very far… While its been mentioned that Myers can not block hardly at all not much talk about that either. How much of the problems with the Run game were actually Knapp vs. just flat out bad execution. Not htat I liked Knapp at this point but he makes too easy of a scape goat.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
if I’m Reggie I let it leak that the Raiders are looking to cut palmers pay. Put the pressure on him. the only cards Reggie holds is public opinion and scrutiny. make Palmer the overpaid jerk off in the media and hope that he takes a pay cut.. maybe let slip that we are willing to trade him too.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Well, everybody but his bootlickers say he IS overpaid. Go figure.
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Everybody. You mean guys like Ben Maller, Al Kaholic, Mike Hunt and Hue Jass.
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I mean EVERYBODY, except blog bootlickers. Comphrende?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
PFT article said that PALMERS AGENT might no other teams may want him so he is not really tradeable.
Just waiting for Raiders to cut him if he refuses a pay cut like WIMBLEY
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Well, everybody but his bootlickers say he IS overpaid. Go figure.
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Everybody. You mean guys like Ben Maller, Al Kaholic, Mike Hunt and Hue Jass.
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Don’t forget Clint Torres and Peter Beter.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
What makes anyone think Palmer wants to stay with this team and have noone to throw to? I would welcome a cut and chance to go somewhere else, and I’m sure he has thought about it.
Let me see:
Take a pay cut and stay on a team with 5-#3 recievers or go someplace where they actually have a #1 target?
Ol’ Reggie Hubbard has got nada in the cupboard.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
elraidmanhattan, i am not much of a fan of any of those so called “analysts.” Most of them are complete a$$hats in my opinion.
Hoge, probably by virtue of the fact that he has been employed for a long time since his rather brief playing career ended, just seems talk out his crack more than others.
Some of these guys are much fairer and objective than others. Mostly the guys who might someday be employed in the business again in some capacity. Hoge doesn’t have to worry about that….
March 7th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
they are going to give mcfadden an extension because they want him long term because he is our most valuable player.
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They are going to give McFadden an extension????? When is that going to happen? You know, you extend guys BEFORE their last year if you want them for a multitude of reasons. McFadden has an almost $6mm salary and a cap figure of almost $10mm for his final year. If we cut him today, we would have a $4mm hit against the cap. They are going to pay him for his services and let him walk. And that is the right decision.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
Besides, my name has nothing to do with any Raider players past or present.
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It’s a twist on a Bart prank call right? Mr. Butts, first name Seymour.
But you’re not really into the bushy ones are you?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Good stuff branch, keep putting in work Big Reg
March 7th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Great way to show leadership Branch .. Hopefully you can earn the $6.5mil. for 2015 & 16
OKAY REGGIE & CREW TIME TO CONTINUE THIS PRODUCTIVITY AN RESTRUCTURE
DHB > $550,000(2013), $1.3(2014),$1.8(2015)$3.8(2016)
MCFADDEN > $1.8(2013),$3.2(2014),$6.8(2015)
KELLY > CUT
HUFF > PAYCUT> OR IN DRAFT TRADE
PALMER > PAYCUT> OR IN DRAFT TRADE
SEYMOUR > GONE
MCLAIN > CUT > OR IN DRAFT TRADE
SIGN BARNES & BRYANT
SIGN FA OL & LB
DRAFT TRADE DOWN DEFENSE, DEFENSE, LONG, DEFENSE
March 7th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Cp the mvp if he had a better team…….. how are we gonna get a better team with Palmer taking up half of the salary cap? Or is it by winning 4 games instead of 2 so we miss the top pick again? How?? Cut his pay
March 7th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
125.Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Dakota my point about Palmer is clear, he needs to restructure severely or be cut, palmer can throw, a d a good soldier, but do you seriously think he will get us to the playoffs this year? No, he will be 34 and we need to move to 2014
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Ok, this drives me crazy. Manning was 36 and coming off major surgery and damn near had a MVP season.
And the only reason CP might not go to the playoffs with the Raiders isn’t because he is horrible… its because we need to put better players around him. First thing he needs is a better line. Thats why I want Warmack.
Secondly he needs a true number one WR… that can maybe be achieved through free agency.
The rest can be achieved by better offensive coaching… is it a stretch to say Knapp cost us 5 games last year? I don’t think so at all. If you do… detail the specifics here:
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Manning is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer who won at least 10 games for 11 seasons in a row and a super bowl before missing the year with a neck injury. u can’t compare palmer to manning he isn’t on that level.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Raider E If I was Palmer I would want out. This team is garbage and going nowhere fast.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
Besides, my name has nothing to do with any Raider players past or present.
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It’s a twist on a Bart prank call right? Mr. Butts, first name Seymour.
But you’re not really into the bushy ones are you?
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Hahahaha. haven’t seen bushy ones for awhile actually.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
We need to sign Jenkin move Houston inside and draft the de from Florida State.We also need to get Holmgren before the draft,we do not need Reggie making moves by his self.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
If James Harrison isn’t a Raider, I would be surprised.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
100.Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
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Palmer is clearly overpaid
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No he isn’t. You think he is. As I have said now dozens of times, go to the PFF series showing overpaid players. Palmer is no where on the list. There is a reason. He is not overpaid.
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he has the second highest base salary in the nfl behind peyton manning (actually 3rd now behind flacco)
he is the seventh highest paid qb in the league in terms of cap hit. he is making more of a cap hit than brady, rodgers, and roethlisberger. all younger, all better, all super bowl champs. he hasn’t won a playoff game in his entire career. has a career losing record and only won 10 games the past 3 years. he is definitely overpaid. he is an avg. qb. top 2? top 7? not even close.
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Oh please…. go here and click on it any way you want and the highest CP comes up is 17th.
http://www.overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB
Coincidentally he was PFF’s 17th rated QB.
He shouldn’t have to take a pay cut but he might.
Just to help the team.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
1960AW, yes I blame Knapp for much of the probs with the Oline. His plan to overhaul what was a decent line the season before was ill advised, even disastrous.
And whytf was Willie Smith still in there after such horrid play?
At least there was an upside for Bergstrom….
March 7th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Marks Hair
How much of the cap did he take up last year? We do not even know what his final number will be this year yet. Our biggest problem is past dead money, the legacy of Palmers bad contract that we assumed not Palmer himself. No one said he was an MVP only that he is good enough to lead a team to the playoffs if the team around him is decent.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Manning is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer who won at least 10 games for 11 seasons in a row and a super bowl before missing the year with a neck injury. u can’t compare palmer to manning he isn’t on that level.
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Do you have a learning disability? I was comparing their AGE??
GET IT? If Palmer is too old then so is MANNING!!!
Good gawd… ok, now I am out.
The stupidity is burning in here tonight.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
PFT article said that PALMERS AGENT might no other teams may want him so he is not really tradeable.
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There is SO MUCH wrong with this statement, but I am assuming you are saying that Palmers agent said no other teams want an overall number one who has led the league in TD’s and has played well the past two years. Teams like the Jets, Cards, Bills, Jags, Dolphins, have no need for him. And this is from his own agent? Suuuuuurrrrre. That’s exactly what agents do, shout out that no one wants their clients. Happens all the time.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Raider E If I was Palmer I would want out. This team is garbage and going nowhere fast.
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Exactly, he probably feels like he boarded a plane and ended up in Cincy West.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
133.Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
they are going to give mcfadden an extension because they want him long term because he is our most valuable player.
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They are going to give McFadden an extension????? When is that going to happen? You know, you extend guys BEFORE their last year if you want them for a multitude of reasons. McFadden has an almost $6mm salary and a cap figure of almost $10mm for his final year. If we cut him today, we would have a $4mm hit against the cap. They are going to pay him for his services and let him walk. And that is the right decision.
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They wan mcfadden around. he is our most talented player. Every indication, from mckenzie to allen to the offensive hires says they are building around mcfadden. just watch mckenzie talk about him. they are going to extend him because he is our most valuable player. they aren’t going to cut a potential top rusher in the nfl when last year proved that they can’t win without running the ball. they are going to cut his salry this year probably to about 4-5 mil and give him 2-3 more years in the 5-8 mil range.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
We should be talking about RT and RGs. I am upset we reworked Brissell. I did post about it. It did not go very far… While its been mentioned that Myers can not block hardly at all not much talk about that either. How much of the problems with the Run game were actually Knapp vs. just flat out bad execution. Not htat I liked Knapp at this point but he makes too easy of a scape goat.
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I agree. Right now I am all for getting Warmack. I kinda doubt it will happen unless Reggie trades back somewhere between the 6 and 9 spots. I get the sense from Reggie and DA though that the first pick will be on defense. Personally I prefer we dive into the bucket of outside pass rushers rather than take Fisher or Star so I’m pretty much rooting for Warmack or Jordan.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Lofty
Here is a question. Is not Smith still on the roster? If so why??? I hope this is a cut that is coming up. A bad zbs tackle on a pbs team does not compute.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1. Manning is better than cp even at 40yrs old..
2. Denver has talent..
Paying cp 15 mil is silly.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
The FA market for 5th, 6th year running backs with a career track record of missing LOTs of games isn’t that great. DMcF would be wise to extend a bit…
March 7th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
147.Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
PFT article said that PALMERS AGENT might no other teams may want him so he is not really tradeable.
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There is SO MUCH wrong with this statement, but I am assuming you are saying that Palmers agent said no other teams want an overall number one who has led the league in TD’s and has played well the past two years. Teams like the Jets, Cards, Bills, Jags, Dolphins, have no need for him. And this is from his own agent? Suuuuuurrrrre. That’s exactly what agents do, shout out that no one wants their clients. Happens all the time.
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he lead the league in TD’s like 6 years ago. hahaha a lot has changed since then. I hope we find someone who wants him if he doesn’t restructure. help us out financially. Like some of u arer saying he probably doesn;t even want to be here.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
PFT article said that PALMERS AGENT might no other teams may want him so he is not really tradeable.
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There is SO MUCH wrong with this statement, but I am assuming you are saying that Palmers agent said no other teams want an overall number one who has led the league in TD’s and has played well the past two years. Teams like the Jets, Cards, Bills, Jags, Dolphins, have no need for him. And this is from his own agent? Suuuuuurrrrre. That’s exactly what agents do, shout out that no one wants their clients. Happens all the time.
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I think Al doesnt KNOW the correct spelling of the word he is trying to use.
It should read:
Palmer’s agent knows other teams that might want him and he is waiting to be cut.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1. Manning is better than cp even at 40yrs old..
2. Denver has talent..
Paying cp 15 mil is silly.
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cut palmer is you pay out 10 mill in dead money and only save about 4 mill to cap
March 7th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Wait a second, Manning went to a team that was in the playoffs and ready to take the next step, a good defense with dumervil coming back from an injury a possible stud receiver in thomas, a good sure handed receiver with speed in decker solid running and a good offensive line, the titans gave him a blank check, heck Adams would have gave him ownership, but they were so deficient. How can you compare tne palmer situation ridiculous, also why didnt he go to arizona? Oline sucked”
March 7th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
1960AW, I am super skeptical WSmith is under contract although I am too lazy to look it up. Reggie didn’t give out many multi-year contracts last year. Branch and Briesel were the only one’s I recollect.
The roster lists guys who aren’t under contract a lot.
Same thing when DBryant got arrested. He was stated to be a “current” Raider despite being a FA….
March 7th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Redia
Yea I think we really need a pass rusher not sure how good the guy from Georgia might be some say he is a lot like Miller from Denver. Also Werner the guy from Florida might be ok. Really hard to know that is why they have scouts. I hope we can trade back and get into the Millner derby with other teams dealing with us for the ability to draft him.
I have heard Guards and centers are deep. Would love to draft a starting center and get Wiz back to LG.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
stupid idiots taking over Raiders blog again
March 7th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Willie Smith is quite possibly the worst offensive lineman I’ve seen in the NFL.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
OMG tell me a team 1 team willing to trade for a 34 yr. Old qb, that is immobile int. prone and salary heavy???? Please tell me one team
March 7th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
You can’t do much with one of the worst WR corp, worst D , worst special teams, worst running game, what the f8ck you guys expect with that? superbowl?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
We are approaching “happy” hour where people without jobs rag on people that are trying to do theirs.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Raider E If I was Palmer I would want out. This team is garbage and going nowhere fast.
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Exactly, he probably feels like he boarded a plane and ended up in Cincy West.
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Hahaha Cincy West soooo true If he doesn’t take a pay cut I won’t blame him one bit
March 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
I guarantee you guys half of these idiots always criticizing every single organization moves are whiners trolls
March 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Lol @ 161…
March 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
146.Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Manning is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer who won at least 10 games for 11 seasons in a row and a super bowl before missing the year with a neck injury. u can’t compare palmer to manning he isn’t on that level.
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Do you have a learning disability? I was comparing their AGE??
GET IT? If Palmer is too old then so is MANNING!!!
Good gawd… ok, now I am out.
The stupidity is burning in here tonight.
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u were comparing the age of two completely different players.
Carson at 33 isn’t making us a contender in the next 1-3 years, thats y he’s old
Peyton manning makes any team he is on an instant super bowl contender. completely different situations.
Carson at 33 doesn’t make anyone a super bowl contender.
that is what makes your comparison stupid. Mentioning carson palmer on the same plane as manning in any way is stupid.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
163. nope I expect a rebuild. but clearly Reggie is worried about saving his job and winning now.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Willie Smith is slow, yes but not a cap issue, i agree he stinks. Our issues go deeper than willie smith, Reggie was merely sticking cheap band aids on a horrific situation.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Ooooooh Palmer is a former overall #1. WOW!
March 7th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
If we don’t take Milliner at 3 I don’t think we can get him. I’m pretty convinced the Lions will take him at 5 since corner is their weakest position imo.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Pass rusher, cornerback, RT, linebackers, a DT or 3, TE, a LG, and a #1 wide reciever and folks still b!tching about Palmer…
March 7th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
168.NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
146.Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Manning is a sure fire first ballot hall of famer who won at least 10 games for 11 seasons in a row and a super bowl before missing the year with a neck injury. u can’t compare palmer to manning he isn’t on that level.
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Do you have a learning disability? I was comparing their AGE??
GET IT? If Palmer is too old then so is MANNING!!!
Good gawd… ok, now I am out.
The stupidity is burning in here tonight.
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u were comparing the age of two completely different players.
Carson at 33 isn’t making us a contender in the next 1-3 years, thats y he’s old
Peyton manning makes any team he is on an instant super bowl contender. completely different situations.
Carson at 33 doesn’t make anyone a super bowl contender.
that is what makes your comparison stupid. Mentioning carson palmer on the same plane as manning in any way is stupid.
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furthermore, u can’t just compare age of people…each player declines at different ages. palmer hasn’t been the same since 2006. manning hadn’t missed a start in 12 season before missing that year.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL 8m
SS Tyvon Branch will earn the $6 million he was slated to earn in 2013, in part because of a $3.5 million roster bonus.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
You can’t do much with one of the worst WR corp, worst D , worst special teams, worst running game, what the f8ck you guys expect with that? superbowl?
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Exactly but some people in here will blame Palmer for everything cuz there butt hurt about Soup
March 7th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
If we get some DTs who can get to the QB instead of giving them 7 seconds in the pocket to find an open receiver, our safeties will be just fine.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
I meant cornerback(s)…we need 2 min.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
I thought our DT’s were pass rush specialists?
Lord know they $ucked against the run…
March 7th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Any of you bloggers remember when KrappyRat posted the Raider’s 7 year record about 8,000 times?
That was totally hilarious, the Old Troll was in serious trouble
Gots to keep it real
March 7th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Freaking Jason Campbell went 8-8 in 10 with a turnover every 22 pass attempts , compared to Carson Palmer who turned it over 1once every 30 attempts, and people want to say we went 4-12 because of his turnovers, it’s a freaking team game, O has to be solid, O was more balanced in 10 , along with a little better special teams, how are you going to win many games, if the only decent thing you could do was pass the ball to mediocre receivers? No running game, No special teams, No good coordinator, no freakin D, you can’t win many games being good in just 1 phase of the game
March 7th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
163.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
You can’t do much with one of the worst WR corp, worst D , worst special teams, worst running game, what the f8ck you guys expect with that? superbowl?
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at 15 mil? a 3rd down conversion would be nice every once in a while… a red zone td pass maybe..
March 7th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
furthermore, u can’t just compare age of people…each player declines at different ages. palmer hasn’t been the same since 2006. manning hadn’t missed a start in 12 season before missing that year.
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Hasn’t been the same? the guy put the best game of any qb in week 17 of 11 season and we still lost, that game alone should tell you how freaking weak our team is
March 7th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Never claimed to be a math wiz..But…
$3.5m + $715k DOES NOT = $6m
Cork must be smokin w/ Kawakami….
March 7th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
JLofty Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
I thought our DT’s were pass rush specialists?
Lord know they $ucked against the run…
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They were at one point. One point is long gone.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
No Reggie wanted to pull the wool over our eyes and win last year, he saw that the changes and the roster screwed him, anybody coming in is going to say hey we can win, but the year before was a facade the circus with Hue, the abominable defense, i still cringe thinking about watching us drive for the playoffs and looking like laughing stocks against green bay. Now Reggie realizes this is going to be like painting the Sistine chapel, and explaining this to an owner who knows squat about football, yet surrendered draft picks like nothing.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
163.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
You can’t do much with one of the worst WR corp, worst D , worst special teams, worst running game, what the f8ck you guys expect with that? superbowl?
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at 15 mil? a 3rd down conversion would be nice every once in a while… a red zone td pass maybe..
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3rd down conversion would happen more often if Gren Knapp knew how to game plan and when to call the right plays, and if our running game could atleast get 4-5 yards once in awhile to make the 3rd down more manageable to go with if our receivers could get open once in a while, oh did i forget if our RG and RT could allow some time, maybe those factors would make the 3rd downs more manageable, no? oh now you will tell me how Pryor did better on 3rd downs, etc etc
March 7th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
furthermore, u can’t just compare age of people…each player declines at different ages. palmer hasn’t been the same since 2006. manning hadn’t missed a start in 12 season before missing that year.
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Hasn’t been the same? the guy put the best game of any qb in week 17 of 11 season and we still lost, that game alone should tell you how freaking weak our team is
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This is exactly why Palmer gives Reggie the finger when asked to take a pay cut. Any sane player would want out!
March 7th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
The only thing that might happen with the WRs this year is bringing in some cheap guys to compete. Probably wont try for a true #1 until next year in either FA or by drafting Marqise Lee or someone.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Only Palmer and his agent know his market value, but I suspect he can get 7-9 mil elsewhere.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
I guarantee you guys half of these idiots always criticizing every single organization moves are whiners trolls
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I have to agree.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
No Reggie wanted to pull the wool over our eyes and win last year, he saw that the changes and the roster screwed him, anybody coming in is going to say hey we can win, but the year before was a facade the circus with Hue, the abominable defense, i still cringe thinking about watching us drive for the playoffs and looking like laughing stocks against green bay. Now Reggie realizes this is going to be like painting the Sistine chapel, and explaining this to an owner who knows squat about football, yet surrendered draft picks like nothing.
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Exactly man good teams fighting for playoffs, don’t go down 34-0 in consecutive weeks of 2nd half, in which we did against Miami and GB, we barely freakin beat KC, and then we freakin couldn’t force a punt in a must f*king win game in week 17, we done much better against SD in other meaningless games, but couldn’t even force a punt is freakin ridiculous, including the 99n half yard drive TD in less than 6 plays SD scored, when we really needed a stop
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
THIS SITE BLOWS.Takes two fkn minutes to get through lower my bills.com and american home savings adds then gotta see dipshts like mcfaggen20 say how great Reggie is and predict playoffs this year.JEEEEEEZ
March 7th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1. Manning is better than cp even at 40yrs old..
2. Denver has talent..
Paying cp 15 mil is silly.
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cut palmer is you pay out 10 mill in dead money and only save about 4 mill to cap
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And you completely write off a lst and 2nd round draft choice from the last two years. Dumbest thing ANYONE would do.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Mac 20 thats the whole point… our team IS WEAK.. so why pay 15 mil to a guy that doesnt make a difference?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
#1 overall pick in the 2014 draft the Oakland Raiders select?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
183.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
furthermore, u can’t just compare age of people…each player declines at different ages. palmer hasn’t been the same since 2006. manning hadn’t missed a start in 12 season before missing that year.
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Hasn’t been the same? the guy put the best game of any qb in week 17 of 11 season and we still lost, that game alone should tell you how freaking weak our team is
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best game of any qb??? we only scored 2 tds all game! passing yards don’t mean sh!t if you’re not scoring points. 1-3 in the red zone force to kick fg instead of scoring tds… interception to seal the game. that sums up the raiders since palmer has been the qb. a lot of passing yards, not a lot of points, turnovers late in the game. he also had one of the worst qb performance in raider history week 14 against the green bay packers.
Palmer is an avg. nfl quarterback, nothing more, nothing less.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
You need a team around you to win, how many #1 drafted QBs have won Superbowls? if the games were only decided by a great QB, then every freaking team with #1 pick could just draft a qb and win the superbowl next year, these whiner trolls has to be the dumbest living human beings on the earth
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Well, when you go down 34-0 the defense is responsible for the 34 and the offense for the 0. Blame goes both ways on that one.
NOTE: I’M NOT SAYING THE D WASN’T HORRENDOUS.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
THIS SITE BLOWS.Takes two fkn minutes to get through lower my bills.com and american home savings adds then gotta see dipshts like mcfaggen20 say how great Reggie is and predict playoffs this year.JEEEEEEZ
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Welcome gayfoshow , aka whiner lover, knew you were on your way to help out your other whiner lovers
March 7th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“we only scored 2 tds all game! passing yards don’t mean sh!t if you’re not scoring points. 1-3 in the red zone force to kick fg instead of scoring tds… interception to seal the game. that sums up the raiders since palmer has been the qb. a lot of passing yards, not a lot of points, turnovers late in the game”
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Truth
March 7th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Mac 20 thats the whole point… our team IS WEAK.. so why pay 15 mil to a guy that doesnt make a difference?
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How do you know he doesn’t make a difference? the guy is pocket passer and need receivers to catch the ball, DID Boldin not make Flacco look good? DID smith not make flacco look good?
and if you have one of the worst running game in the league to go with the bottom 5 receiving corp and bunch that together with horrible D and special teams, wtf do you expect?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
#1 overall pick in the 2014 draft the Oakland Raiders select?
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i think regg finds someone to trade down with, those ot’s will be intriguing to some teams, if not i hope we go star
March 7th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
#1 overall pick in the 2014 draft the Oakland Raiders select?
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You wish whiner f@g
March 7th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
#1 overall pick in the 2014 draft the Oakland Raiders select?
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It’s either a defensive stud like Clowny or a QB if Reggie and DA don’t want to roll with Pryor.
Could be a LT too actually since I think Veldy’s contract is up next year or the year after.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
#1 overall pick in the 2014 draft the Oakland Raiders select?
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i think regg finds someone to trade down with, those ot’s will be intriguing to some teams, if not i hope we go star
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oh schit nevermind i thought you were talking about who we’d pick this year
March 7th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
187.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
163.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
You can’t do much with one of the worst WR corp, worst D , worst special teams, worst running game, what the f8ck you guys expect with that? superbowl?
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at 15 mil? a 3rd down conversion would be nice every once in a while… a red zone td pass maybe..
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3rd down conversion would happen more often if Gren Knapp knew how to game plan and when to call the right plays, and if our running game could atleast get 4-5 yards once in awhile to make the 3rd down more manageable to go with if our receivers could get open once in a while, oh did i forget if our RG and RT could allow some time, maybe those factors would make the 3rd downs more manageable, no? oh now you will tell me how Pryor did better on 3rd downs, etc etc
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we had the 4th best offensive line rating in terms of sacks and qb hits. dont tell me about time. stop checking the ball down. his 3rd down completion rate was good but the conversion rate was terrible, that means he was checking it down. i find it hard to believe on 3rd and 2 that knapp called a play where no wr ran more than 2 yds. but no palmer checks down to his TE for 0 yds. punt. thanks for playing.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
and sorry, it’s not my fault that our offense had better numbers in red zone and 3rd down conversion when pryor was our qb, that is just the way it is shook out.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
The way I understand it, both sides say Palmer has no influence on a game, yes?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
I would rather get hit in the left nut then read a MCFAGGEN20 post.Shut up you are the biggest idiot pole smoker on here you little vaginer.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
202.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Mac 20 thats the whole point… our team IS WEAK.. so why pay 15 mil to a guy that doesnt make a difference?
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How do you know he doesn’t make a difference? the guy is pocket passer and need receivers to catch the ball, DID Boldin not make Flacco look good? DID smith not make flacco look good?
and if you have one of the worst running game in the league to go with the bottom 5 receiving corp and bunch that together with horrible D and special teams, wtf do you expect?
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at 15 mil u expect a difference make. someone who can will his team to wins, especially at the qb position. playmakers make plays, especially when it matters.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
dayam cp is due 13 mil this year and 15 mil next year. so if you cut him that 9 mill in dead money can be spread over two years? what about next years owed salary? if we can get away from the 15 mil next year, you gotta restructure or cut him
March 7th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Omg..how do I know Palmer did not make a difference? A 4 and 12 record maybe? Btw..We don’t have any number 1 receivers and there’s not 1 available for us do you get that? And the reason we don’t have money for a #1 wr is because guys like CP make too much money. Get it? salary cap.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Gotta take the best d-tackle on the board whether we trade the pick or not.The middle of the d-line is horrible.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Just imagine if last Monday some of you posters in here were somehow appointed to run the Oakland Raiders. Now 72 hours later, this is what would happen:
Associated Press
March 7, 2013 3:45pm
The Oakland Raiders filed for bankruptcy today as the value of the franchise plummeted to zero. Extremely questionable personnel moves including, cutting QB Carson Palmer and telling him to “eff himself”, giving disappointing RB Darren McFadden a contract extension, and handing the starting QB position to WR Terrell Pryor. Even former Raider and worst GM ever Matt Millen called these moves “questionable at best”. When asked for comment Darren McFadden laughed, claimed his foot injury had reoccurred and that he was rehabbing with “five or six baby momma’s on some Turkish island.”
Already dwindling Raider season ticket holders cancelled their deposits and the box office reports that right now three sets of tickets have been sold. To a Mistic Supavillian, a priest, and someone who refers to himself as a realtor though no one in real estate has ever heard of Michael Kelly.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Mcfaggen20 started watching football last year.Pay no attention to this REggie loveing idiot.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“we only scored 2 tds all game! passing yards don’t mean sh!t if you’re not scoring points. 1-3 in the red zone force to kick fg instead of scoring tds… interception to seal the game. that sums up the raiders since palmer has been the qb. a lot of passing yards, not a lot of points, turnovers late in the game”
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Truth
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That’s not the point, the point was he was going toe to toe with Philip Rivers, with tired M bush, and average receivers, so what if he settled for FG, you’re D should be able to stop the other team once in a while, With Oak just trimming the SD lead to 31-26 and with momentum, and the kickoff was stopped at sandiego half yard line, they took only 5 plays to score a TD and go up 38-26, next drive with Raiders daring to score again, on 2nd and 10, Palmer pass to J FOrd was picked off at SD 20, many like Mistic would count that as a mistake against Palmer, but in fact, Ford tripped on a hitch route, and that allowed Cason to intercept it easily, then the SD ran the clock out
March 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1. Manning is better than cp even at 40yrs old..
2. Denver has talent..
Paying cp 15 mil is silly.
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cut palmer is you pay out 10 mill in dead money and only save about 4 mill to cap
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And you completely write off a lst and 2nd round draft choice from the last two years. Dumbest thing ANYONE would do.
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Actually Carsons cap hit is more in the 15-16mil range if he is on team, if cut we would take a deadmoney cap hit of 9 mil which can spread over 2 years, so we could save around 10mil in cap savings this year if we cut him.
BTW this regime didn’t make that horrible trade in the first place, it was a HC that was playin GM so………..I doubt they care about what it looks like if they cut him, schit most NFL people think thats the best idea
March 7th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
215.Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Just imagine if last Monday some of you posters in here were somehow appointed to run the Oakland Raiders. Now 72 hours later, this is what would happen:
Associated Press
March 7, 2013 3:45pm
The Oakland Raiders filed for bankruptcy today as the value of the franchise plummeted to zero. Extremely questionable personnel moves including, cutting QB Carson Palmer and telling him to “eff himself”, giving disappointing RB Darren McFadden a contract extension, and handing the starting QB position to WR Terrell Pryor. Even former Raider and worst GM ever Matt Millen called these moves “questionable at best”. When asked for comment Darren McFadden laughed, claimed his foot injury had reoccurred and that he was rehabbing with “five or six baby momma’s on some Turkish island.”
Already dwindling Raider season ticket holders cancelled their deposits and the box office reports that right now three sets of tickets have been sold. To a Mistic Supavillian, a priest, and someone who refers to himself as a realtor though no one in real estate has ever heard of Michael Kelly.
I would keep Palmer and banish dumbas$es like you from this blog.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Pretty weak, Seymour. Lol.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
gotta see dipshts like mcfaggen20 say how great Reggie is and predict playoffs this year.JEEEEEEZ
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lol
i still remember that idiot refusing to acknowledge that we were in a rebuild before the season started.
he jumped up and down about plamer leading us to the playoffs this year, even after the preseason when it was clear this team was going nowhere
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
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Actually Carsons cap hit is more in the 15-16mil range if he is on team, if cut we would take a deadmoney cap hit of 9 mil which can spread over 2 years, so we could save around 10mil in cap savings this year if we cut him.
BTW this regime didn’t make that horrible trade in the first place, it was a HC that was playin GM so………..I doubt they care about what it looks like if they cut him, schit most NFL people think thats the best
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if your’e right you gotta restructue or cut him as much as i’d prefer him stay on till pryors ready, way too much $
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
we had the 4th best offensive line rating in terms of sacks and qb hits. dont tell me about time. stop checking the ball down. his 3rd down completion rate was good but the conversion rate was terrible, that means he was checking it down. i find it hard to believe on 3rd and 2 that knapp called a play where no wr ran more than 2 yds. but no palmer checks down to his TE for 0 yds. punt. thanks for playing.
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You noticed Raiders failing on few 3rd and shorts, but most of the times they were faced with 3rd and longs to go, and that’s what QBs do on 3rd and longs, they pass to the open guy to get what ever yards they can to avoid the sack, because Ds pin their ears back to get to the the qb, or they call the draw play, you don’t watch football much, do you?
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I doubt they care about what it looks like if they cut him, schit most NFL people think thats the best idea
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Name one.
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
#1 overall pick in the 2014 draft the Oakland Raiders select?
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Clowney
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Of course Carson is overpaid. He is more of a $7-9 million dollar guy….but there is no other option….other than tanking the 2013 season. Everyone ready to give up on next year before one free agent is signed or one player drafted?
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No other option ?
Tank the season ?
I’ve even seen talk of the RAIDS going 0-16 without Palmer in here.
Fact is, the RAIDS almost went 0-16 with Palmer.
Hard for me to believe people don’t want to shake up a team that nearly went 0-16.
Seems to me that an overpaid, 34 yr old QB with elbow concerns might be an area that needs addressing.
IMO, RAIDS win MORE games in 2013 with TP throwing for 2500 yards and moving the chains with his legs occasionally, than they will with Palmer throwing for 4000.
And if they don’t ?
So what ?
If you tell me that you believe Palmer is going to remain a viable option in 2014 and beyond, then fine, I understand your reluctance to make a move. Otherwise, I just don’t understand the fear of getting what we can in return for CP and giving TP a shot.
Tank the season ? Pfffft.
Like Palmer is going to take the Raids to the SB in 2013.
I really have little interest in seeing what Palmer can do in 2013.
The prospect doesn’t excite me.
Finding out what TP can do does interest me.
I’m confident TP can win as many games as CP in 2013, but even if it turns out that TP stinks and we need to draft a QB in 2014, we’re just back to square one anyway.
I don’t think the absence of Palmer means tanking 2013.
I do think there should be more urgency to finding out if TP can be THE MAN, and move forward from there.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
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Right on.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
215.Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Just imagine if last Monday some of you posters in here were somehow appointed to run the Oakland Raiders. Now 72 hours later, this is what would happen:
Associated Press
March 7, 2013 3:45pm
The Oakland Raiders filed for bankruptcy today as the value of the franchise plummeted to zero. Extremely questionable personnel moves including, cutting QB Carson Palmer and telling him to “eff himself”, giving disappointing RB Darren McFadden a contract extension, and handing the starting QB position to WR Terrell Pryor. Even former Raider and worst GM ever Matt Millen called these moves “questionable at best”. When asked for comment Darren McFadden laughed, claimed his foot injury had reoccurred and that he was rehabbing with “five or six baby momma’s on some Turkish island.”
Already dwindling Raider season ticket holders cancelled their deposits and the box office reports that right now three sets of tickets have been sold. To a Mistic Supavillian, a priest, and someone who refers to himself as a realtor though no one in real estate has ever heard of Michael Kelly.
I would keep Palmer and banish dumbas$es like you from this blog.
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Go s8ck a dick in your whiner panties
March 7th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Carson Palmer is the best option for the immediate future unless Pryor breaks out.I mean who the fk ya gonna get? Gino Smith.Ngga Please.Way to many holes to fill right now but knowing bottom lip the way I do he will probably draft Smith and Teo.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1. Manning is better than cp even at 40yrs old..
2. Denver has talent..
Paying cp 15 mil is silly.
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cut palmer is you pay out 10 mill in dead money and only save about 4 mill to cap
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And you completely write off a lst and 2nd round draft choice from the last two years. Dumbest thing ANYONE would do.
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Those picks are gone regardless of what happens with Palmer. They should play no part in the decision making of this team going forward, other than the factual realization we don’t have a 2nd round pick this year. The goal should be to build a winning team. If Palmer is involved, great. If not, there is no reason to force him into the lineup because we traded for him.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
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It’s the truth , maybe you should watch the football with your open eyes , instead of just checking box scores after the game has ended, none of our receiver is ranked by any GM in top 50, our RB was the worst in the league, our special team was the bottom 5, our pass rush had the 2nd fewest sacks, but yeah Palmer should get TDs throwing to average receivers who don’t get open and he should avoid all the sacks by turnstile RT and he should over come horrible game plans by g knapp
March 7th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
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Right on.
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Here here.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
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Right on.
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We don’t need to see you’re stupid 1 word comments, do you ever have anything to add of your own or do you like to cling to every1s balls?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Just like Denver did you have to have a plan before you give up on a quarterback.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
So what should the Raiders do at CB?
We need 2…
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
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Right on.
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Here here.
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Doesn’t change the fact that it’s the same person who’s trolling with different accounts
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
222.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
gotta see dipshts like mcfaggen20 say how great Reggie is and predict playoffs this year.JEEEEEEZ
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lol
i still remember that idiot refusing to acknowledge that we were in a rebuild before the season started.
he jumped up and down about plamer leading us to the playoffs this year, even after the preseason when it was clear this team was going nowhere
And I remember the same stupid fkn idiot talking up Knapp and predicting playoffs week in and week out after getting blasted by teams like Miami.Dude is fkn moron pzzy.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
owed 13 mill this year 15 next, cp has to be on the trade block, take a pay cut/restructure/ or be cut in which case we need to hurry up and sign some vet qb’s. is reggie not signing qb’s in hopes someone wants geno if he’s there or because he possibly wants geno?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Bingo McFadden, when you realize that team was devoid of leadership overpaid bloated contracts, I think reggie like anybody would submit that hey we can make this happen, but let me digress a bit, when hue was brought in he was superb as an o coordinator, and Al deliberately set up cable to get fired, when hue was coach and decided to playcall that was his downfall, being a coach is so intensive and a manager, he became a meglomaniac, anyway the d still stunk. Reggie comes in with a bloated cap lack of talent and leadership and i am sure his heart sunk! But all us delusinal fans thinking we were so close were fooled we actually did stink, now move forward we paid kelly as the top d lineman ( according to belichek) sure because he stole picks from us for seymour, and yes richard I will lead by not practicing. Hey I could go on and on, but Reggie realizes the owner knows crap, and he screwed up by going wco, and zbs, let dennis hire krapp. Now Reggie with all his accolades as being a talent guy has his work cut out, and yes he would cut all the deadwood if he could. We have so much damn work to do here playoffs are for 2014
March 7th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
instead of just checking box scores after the game has ended,
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From the people who say nothing but “4000 yards!”
March 7th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
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Right on.
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Here here.
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Doesn’t change the fact that it’s the same person who’s trolling with different accounts
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Are you admitting to something?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
you keep making my point Mac 20 and you just don’t get it. We do not have nor can we afford the surrounding cast we need to make Carson Palmer into a playoff quarterback. He will not carry us there on his own. He is not I repeat NOT with 15mil or more a year….he is hurting our salary cap he needs a huge pay cut or he needs to be cut/traded.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
JLofty Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
So what should the Raiders do at CB?
We need 2…
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I played CB in highschool so I’m pretty sure I’m on Reggie’s radar. I better start working out harder.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
gotta see dipshts like mcfaggen20 say how great Reggie is and predict playoffs this year.JEEEEEEZ
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lol
i still remember that idiot refusing to acknowledge that we were in a rebuild before the season started.
he jumped up and down about plamer leading us to the playoffs this year, even after the preseason when it was clear this team was going nowhere
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I don’t need to acknowledge sh1t to you, i follow my team with a passion, and i want to see them win every game, and i would expect them to win even if they faced 1985 bears, i don’t freakin choose to like /or hate players based on their skin colors, as much as you like to make it sound like i hate blck qbs and etc , etc, you would never hear me say, oh watch we will finish last in the division with this guy, just like you do every single day, and you love to come here after every loss, then disappear after every win, what a freakin great fan you are and you trying to prove that you’re a Raiders fan? gtfo here
March 7th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
As soon as Mcfaggen20 gets embarressed he goes to the troll troll troll troll.What a queeeeeeer.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
freakin al left Reggie with a doozy of a team. then again had Reggie hired a better coach or kept the same coach, the picture would be rosier
March 7th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
“Not sure what’s going to happen,” Palmer wrote. “Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
this says it all
off the record his agent and big mack are miles apart
palmer want his 13 mil 15 next year
palmer doesnt believe he should take a pay cut and was insulted by the low ball
palmer is set to take his money and get cut and try to catch on somewher else where he thinks he can get his true value
Palmer has washed out in oakland, and knows that even if he resigns, the first pick he throws will result in a buakake of jeers raining down on hs face, and pryor will be ready to take his gig. who needs the humiliation?
If he doesnt find an offer he likes post raider cut, he will retire to his couch only this time for real
so much for the greatest trade in football
what a joke
Palmer is
March 7th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
If I were Reggie, I would cut the charade tell Mark the reality and cut all the vets that won’t take a restructure, tell him we need to plan for the future and sign guys to fill in for 2013, we need to take more lumps to get better. And yes sure, Palmer best trade ever, feel bad for him but he came into the worse situation ever.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
JLofty Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
So what should the Raiders do at CB?
We need 2…
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I played CB in highschool so I’m pretty sure I’m on Reggie’s radar. I better start working out
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for all we know milliner is his guy, wouldn’t have the speed for al but this is reg
March 7th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
I don’t need to acknowledge sh1t to you, i follow my team with a passion, and i want to see them win every game, and i would expect them to win even if they faced 1985 bears, i don’t freakin choose to like /or hate players based on their skin colors, as much as you like to make it sound like i hate blck qbs and etc , etc, you would never hear me say, oh watch we will finish last in the division with this guy, just like you do every single day, and you love to come here after every loss, then disappear after every win, what a freakin great fan you are and you trying to prove that you’re a Raiders fan? gtfo here
====================================================== I follow my team with passion drrrrrr I predict playoffs cause I know nothing about football drrrrrr.your all trolls and racist. DAAAAAAD DAAAAAD drrrrrr.My name is Mcfaggen20
March 7th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
222.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
gotta see dipshts like mcfaggen20 say how great Reggie is and predict playoffs this year.JEEEEEEZ
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lol
i still remember that idiot refusing to acknowledge that we were in a rebuild before the season started.
he jumped up and down about plamer leading us to the playoffs this year, even after the preseason when it was clear this team was going nowhere
And I remember the same stupid fkn idiot talking up Knapp and predicting playoffs week in and week out after getting blasted by teams like Miami.Dude is fkn moron pzzy.
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I don’t fukin have to predict doom and gloom like you idiots, if i followed my favorite sports teams like that, then i rather not be a fan of them n just be a casual fan or a bandwagoner who just buys the jerseys of the latest champion , n i don’t understand how you so called Raiders fans have problem with a Raider fan who wants the team to do good, and then you guys tell me that no you guys are the real Raiders fans since 1960s and i must have just started watching football 2 years ago,stfu n go back to your whiners blog you p8ssies
March 7th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Heck not sold on Allen yet, but damn he had crap to work with,.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
result in a buakake of jeers raining down on hs face,
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ROFLMAO…. WOW
March 7th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
man i dont even dislike palmer but reading ppl post blaming everyone else, giving hella excuses, and claiming he is the savior and best qb we’ve ever had basically while hating on pryor who hasn’t done anything to make anyone hate him is making me dislike palmer. i might need to stop reading the comments on this blog. which would suck bc i like talking about the raiders.
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Man I feel the same way, Im more than fine with Palmer as long as he takes a paycut, if he wants to be a Raider he will have to, if he doesn’t he won’t. Im also wit ya on the fact that these Palmer fans make every excuse in the book for him while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, he can do no wrong in there eyes and I guess he hasn’t according to them.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Of course Carson is overpaid. He is more of a $7-9 million dollar guy….but there is no other option….other than tanking the 2013 season. Everyone ready to give up on next year before one free agent is signed or one player drafted?
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No other option ?
Tank the season ?
I’ve even seen talk of the RAIDS going 0-16 without Palmer in here.
Fact is, the RAIDS almost went 0-16 with Palmer.
Hard for me to believe people don’t want to shake up a team that nearly went 0-16.
Seems to me that an overpaid, 34 yr old QB with elbow concerns might be an area that needs addressing.
IMO, RAIDS win MORE games in 2013 with TP throwing for 2500 yards and moving the chains with his legs occasionally, than they will with Palmer throwing for 4000.
And if they don’t ?
So what ?
If you tell me that you believe Palmer is going to remain a viable option in 2014 and beyond, then fine, I understand your reluctance to make a move. Otherwise, I just don’t understand the fear of getting what we can in return for CP and giving TP a shot.
Tank the season ? Pfffft.
Like Palmer is going to take the Raids to the SB in 2013.
I really have little interest in seeing what Palmer can do in 2013.
The prospect doesn’t excite me.
Finding out what TP can do does interest me.
I’m confident TP can win as many games as CP in 2013, but even if it turns out that TP stinks and we need to draft a QB in 2014, we’re just back to square one anyway.
I don’t think the absence of Palmer means tanking 2013.
I do think there should be more urgency to finding out if TP can be THE MAN, and move forward from there.
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OUCH!….99 we didnt use to see eye to eye…but right now…we definitely do
March 7th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
This is not the damn 70’s where you keep teams intact, I am not a doomsayer just realistic we have to be realistic here come on
March 7th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Here comes the Mcfaggen20 little gayyy as$ meltdown as usuall. WAAAAAAAAAA
March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
mcfool…still mcxcusein all day long?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
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March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
lol…full meltdown mode for mctroll!
March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
217.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
“we only scored 2 tds all game! passing yards don’t mean sh!t if you’re not scoring points. 1-3 in the red zone force to kick fg instead of scoring tds… interception to seal the game. that sums up the raiders since palmer has been the qb. a lot of passing yards, not a lot of points, turnovers late in the game”
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That’s not the point, the point was he was going toe to toe with Philip Rivers, with tired M bush, and average receivers, so what if he settled for FG, you’re D should be able to stop the other team once in a while, With Oak just trimming the SD lead to 31-26 and with momentum, and the kickoff was stopped at sandiego half yard line, they took only 5 plays to score a TD and go up 38-26, next drive with Raiders daring to score again, on 2nd and 10, Palmer pass to J FOrd was picked off at SD 20, many like Mistic would count that as a mistake against Palmer, but in fact, Ford tripped on a hitch route, and that allowed Cason to intercept it easily, then the SD ran the clock out
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you’re O should be able to score points. especially when u have the great carson palmer as your qb. and if you’re going to blame everyone else for carson’s struggles, u have to give them parise for his accomplishments. the receivers were making plays on those 417 yds. and you are going to put blame on michael bush for losing to sd than u have to give credit to bush for palmers win against SD because bush killed it that night he ran for over 150 yds.
Let’s really break down the raiders wins since he’s been a raider
We beat SD when he [played a good game but also needed 157 yds rushing from michael bush
We barely beat a 4-12 minnesota team that lost adrian peterson, their best player, in the first quarter. michael bush also went for 110 yds
We beat a Spiraling Chicago team that was playing without its starting qb and didn’t win another game all season
we barely beat a 6-9 KC chiefs in OT where we scored 1 td all game…
we beat an 8-8 steelers team that was missing 2 pro bowl defenders. Mcfadden also ran for 100+ and a td
we beat KC twice, the worst team in the league by far
and we beat the jags, the second worst team in the league, and it took their starting rb and starting qb to go down early in the game to do it.
real quality wins here on this list…
if you’re gonna hate on mcfadden and the run game for carson’s losses and blame them, then let’as be real and say that 3 of the 4 wins carson got this year were ebcause mcfadden went over 100 yards rushing. so it all boils down to palmer can’t win without a running game and/or elite wrs and/or a great defense. ok at least we cleared that up.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
I don’t need to acknowledge sh1t to you, i follow my team with a passion, and i want to see them win every game, and i would expect them to win even if they faced 1985 bears, i don’t freakin choose to like /or hate players based on their skin colors, as much as you like to make it sound like i hate blck qbs and etc , etc, you would never hear me say, oh watch we will finish last in the division with this guy, just like you do every single day, and you love to come here after every loss, then disappear after every win, what a freakin great fan you are and you trying to prove that you’re a Raiders fan? gtfo here
====================================================== I follow my team with passion drrrrrr I predict playoffs cause I know nothing about football drrrrrr.your all trolls and racist. DAAAAAAD DAAAAAD drrrrrr.My name is Mcfaggen20
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What ever MR, all you have is stupid ass name calling and Reggie is an idiot to add to this comment board, that’s all you’re a little child, always been always will be, your parents must have dropped you on your head when you were a baby, IDK why am i even responding to a freaking WHiners fan, n this will be my last reply to you ever , you POS
March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
260.Thec Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
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March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
I think r Reggie comes in with a bloated cap lack of talent and leadership and i am sure his heart sunk! But all us delusinal fans thinking we were so close were fooled we actually did stink,
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speak for yourself
the second jc went down and i heard whispers of palmer i told every one on this board that we would find ourselves in this exacft postion we are in now.
Out of the playoffs in 011 and 12 with failed washed up bungles reject leading the disintegration.
while in desperate need to adreess the qb spot.
thank god for pryor, he will restore the silver and black in true raider fashion, with deep davis vertical passing eye popping athleticism and speed.
The qb nobody wanted nobody believed true raider under dog.
In fact i will go on record ans say after manning he is the best qb in the division right now, and will rule over it when manning is done
March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
JLofty Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
So what should the Raiders do at CB?
We need 2…
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It would be nice if T. Jones could be one them.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Of course Carson is overpaid. He is more of a $7-9 million dollar guy….but there is no other option….other than tanking the 2013 season. Everyone ready to give up on next year before one free agent is signed or one player drafted?
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No other option ?
Tank the season ?
I’ve even seen talk of the RAIDS going 0-16 without Palmer in here.
Fact is, the RAIDS almost went 0-16 with Palmer.
Hard for me to believe people don’t want to shake up a team that nearly went 0-16.
Seems to me that an overpaid, 34 yr old QB with elbow concerns might be an area that needs addressing.
IMO, RAIDS win MORE games in 2013 with TP throwing for 2500 yards and moving the chains with his legs occasionally, than they will with Palmer throwing for 4000.
And if they don’t ?
So what ?
If you tell me that you believe Palmer is going to remain a viable option in 2014 and beyond, then fine, I understand your reluctance to make a move. Otherwise, I just don’t understand the fear of getting what we can in return for CP and giving TP a shot.
Tank the season ? Pfffft.
Like Palmer is going to take the Raids to the SB in 2013.
I really have little interest in seeing what Palmer can do in 2013.
The prospect doesn’t excite me.
Finding out what TP can do does interest me.
I’m confident TP can win as many games as CP in 2013, but even if it turns out that TP stinks and we need to draft a QB in 2014, we’re just back to square one anyway.
I don’t think the absence of Palmer means tanking 2013.
I do think there should be more urgency to finding out if TP can be THE MAN, and move forward from there.
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OUCH!….99 we didnt use to see eye to eye…but right now…we definitely do
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I can’t say I disagree.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
What ever MR, all you have is stupid ass name calling and Reggie is an idiot to add to this comment board, that’s all you’re a little child, always been always will be, your parents must have dropped you on your head when you were a baby, IDK why am i even responding to a freaking WHiners fan, n this will be my last reply to you ever , you POS
Get him some tissue.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
260.Thec Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
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March 7th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Let’s really break down the raiders wins since he’s been a raider
We beat SD when he [played a good game but also needed 157 yds rushing from michael bush
We barely beat a 4-12 minnesota team that lost adrian peterson, their best player, in the first quarter. michael bush also went for 110 yds
We beat a Spiraling Chicago team that was playing without its starting qb and didn’t win another game all season
we barely beat a 6-9 KC chiefs in OT where we scored 1 td all game…
we beat an 8-8 steelers team that was missing 2 pro bowl defenders. Mcfadden also ran for 100+ and a td
we beat KC twice, the worst team in the league by far
and we beat the jags, the second worst team in the league, and it took their starting rb and starting qb to go down early in the game to do it.
real quality wins here on this list…
if you’re gonna hate on mcfadden and the run game for carson’s losses and blame them, then let’as be real and say that 3 of the 4 wins carson got this year were ebcause mcfadden went over 100 yards rushing. so it all boils down to palmer can’t win without a running game and/or elite wrs and/or a great defense. ok at least we cleared that up.
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So you agree with my point? it’s a team game, if you’re going to ride on Palmer’s arm then give him decent receivers, otherwise make the other parts of the team good, you can’t have one of the worst D, that allows a 3 straight touchdowns, and you’re trying to come back while throwing the ball rest of the way, with a turnstile RT, average receivers who only run 1 route
March 7th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Mac 20 try to understand that although we are die hard Raider fans when we give our opinions, we speak from our minds and not from our hearts. We all want to go 16 -0 and be the greatest Super Bowl team of all time every yr.. But not all of us are willing to look like fools and go around making those predictions if we really don’t believe it..
March 7th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
I see Mcdummy20 the blog village idiot is on the loose again lol, that guy is a gluten for punishment. HEY MCFAGGEN20 CANT YOU SEE YOUR THE TROLL.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
I think r Reggie comes in with a bloated cap lack of talent and leadership and i am sure his heart sunk! But all us delusinal fans thinking we were so close were fooled we actually did stink,
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speak for yourself
the second jc went down and i heard whispers of palmer i told every one on this board that we would find ourselves in this exacft postion we are in now.
Out of the playoffs in 011 and 12 with failed washed up bungles reject leading the disintegration.
while in desperate need to adreess the qb spot.
thank god for pryor, he will restore the silver and black in true raider fashion, with deep davis vertical passing eye popping athleticism and speed.
The qb nobody wanted nobody believed true raider under dog.
In fact i will go on record ans say after manning he is the best qb in the division right now, and will rule over it when manning is done
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SO are you trying to say that Jason Campbell’s 150 yards a game and his checkdowns were responsible for 8 wins? please get a life
March 7th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Name one.
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There have ben several articles posted on here from NFL Network, CBS Sports etc…….. from people tryin to make there point, that its not just people on here that think he is way Overpaid. If you haven’t seen them then you obviously don’t want to and no matter what I dig up proving it you will say “who the fk is that”, so not goin to waste my time.
Im not a Palmer “hater” but you Palmer “excuse makers” make it hard not to point out the obvious issues with Palmer and if someone does ya’ll freak out
March 7th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
lol…mcxcuse20 is taking his ball home and will never play with you again….lmao
March 7th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
269.Thec Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Oakfshow Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
260.Thec Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Good laughs brought to you by the Semi’s at Ibabuzz.com
Be here all week dont foeget to tip your waitress.
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She gets 25%….This stuff is priceless…
================================================ Should have seen a couple months ago he said ” Im not talking to oak any more anybody with me?” Nobody responded.lol
March 7th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Mac 20 try to understand that although we are die hard Raider fans when we give our opinions, we speak from our minds and not from our hearts. We all want to go 16 -0 and be the greatest Super Bowl team of all time every yr.. But not all of us are willing to look like fools and go around making those predictions if we really don’t believe it.
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In my heart i know we were not that good, n def need a lot of changes to our team, but if i really started feeling like that , then i wouldn’t be that interested in the Raiders, or any sport at all, it would be hard to watch a game against the Pats, knowing we’re going to get crushed, so there’s always that hope, always that positive spin i like to put it out on a game or a season, i don’t see any point being a doom and gloom kinda fan
March 7th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
I think r Reggie comes in with a bloated cap lack of talent and leadership and i am sure his heart sunk! But all us delusinal fans thinking we were so close were fooled we actually did stink,
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speak for yourself
the second jc went down and i heard whispers of palmer i told every one on this board that we would find ourselves in this exacft postion we are in now.
Out of the playoffs in 011 and 12 with failed washed up bungles reject leading the disintegration.
while in desperate need to adreess the qb spot.
thank god for pryor, he will restore the silver and black in true raider fashion, with deep davis vertical passing eye popping athleticism and speed.
The qb nobody wanted nobody believed true raider under dog.
In fact i will go on record ans say after manning he is the best qb in the division right now, and will rule over it when manning is done
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SO are you trying to say that Jason Campbell’s 150 yards a game and his checkdowns were responsible for 8 wins? please get a life
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well it wasnt a cause for losses.
palmer hasnt matched jc’s single season or career win record in raider land
jamarcuss russel has won more games in one season than palmer has 5-4
any other questions/
lmao
March 7th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
274.realtruraider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Name one.
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There have ben several articles posted on here from NFL Network, CBS Sports etc…….. from people tryin to make there point, that its not just people on here that think he is way Overpaid. If you haven’t seen them then you obviously don’t want to and no matter what I dig up proving it you will say “who the fk is that”, so not goin to waste my time.
Im not a Palmer “hater” but you Palmer “excuse makers” make it hard not to point out the obvious issues with Palmer and if someone does ya’ll freak out
================================================= I dont think there is to many people that will dispute Carson has issues but dude options are limited.Im all for Pryor busting out like crazy.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
lmao…mcxcuse20 are you going to cry?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
So you agree with my point? it’s a team game, if you’re going to ride on Palmer’s arm then give him decent receivers, otherwise make the other parts of the team good, you can’t have one of the worst D, that allows a 3 straight touchdowns, and you’re trying to come back while throwing the ball rest of the way, with a turnstile RT, average receivers who only run 1 route
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i agree its a team game. i disagree that palmer is the answer. this year we could have won at least 3 of those games (KC and Jax) with pryor. we might not have beat pitt but if pryor got the experience of a yr we probably could have beaten carolina and SD at the end of the season so we could easily won 5 games with pryor.. I disagree that having palmer as our qb is a necessity when all he showed is that he can beat the bad teams and get beat by the avg.- good teams. Palmer hasn’t beaten a playoff team in 25 games he’s been here. not once can he pull off even an upset. sh!t even the jags beat a playoff team this year. we don’t lose nearly as much as all of u seem to believe we would if we let palmer go. see u throwing the whole team under the bus for this guy…what has he done since he has been a raider. mcfadden, dhb, d moore, etc. have all been better RAIDERS than palmer. they were all fine before palmer got here. they will be fine, maybe even better off if he leaves.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
off the record his agent and big mack are miles apart
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And you know this how? Or are you just making stuff up again?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Welp, the other end of the spectrum has arrived.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
n I know real Raiders fans don’t predict doom and gloom either, all these doom and gloom guys are trolls, and we all know who they are
March 7th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
277.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Mac 20 try to understand that although we are die hard Raider fans when we give our opinions, we speak from our minds and not from our hearts. We all want to go 16 -0 and be the greatest Super Bowl team of all time every yr.. But not all of us are willing to look like fools and go around making those predictions if we really don’t believe it.
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In my heart i know we were not that good, n def need a lot of changes to our team, but if i really started feeling like that , then i wouldn’t be that interested in the Raiders, or any sport at all, it would be hard to watch a game against the Pats, knowing we’re going to get crushed, so there’s always that hope, always that positive spin i like to put it out on a game or a season, i don’t see any point being a doom and gloom kinda fan
======================================================= NO! Its the fact that you argue the point and make yourself look like a one time football watcher.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
theres the mctroll i kmow…troll this troll that…
March 7th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I gotta go however, this place is better than comedy central…
You got choices with the Semi’s in here;
1. Bring ya A game, or get roasted
2. Sit back read, and STFU
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
If Palmer doesnt want to restucture then f@ck’em and we can hand the keys to Pryor install the read option, pistol, or whatever draft Warmack and lets do this. At least we can find out if TP can do it or not, even if TP has a good camp and and preseason we still wont know if he can do it til he plays in real games. This is not to say I dont like Palmer because I am a fan of his also and he got a raw deal when Hue was fired and they brought in Krapp to run his BS O, but if he is gonna give RM a hard time like I said F@CK’EM.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
So you agree with my point? it’s a team game, if you’re going to ride on Palmer’s arm then give him decent receivers, otherwise make the other parts of the team good, you can’t have one of the worst D, that allows a 3 straight touchdowns, and you’re trying to come back while throwing the ball rest of the way, with a turnstile RT, average receivers who only run 1 route
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i agree its a team game. i disagree that palmer is the answer. this year we could have won at least 3 of those games (KC and Jax) with pryor. we might not have beat pitt but if pryor got the experience of a yr we probably could have beaten carolina and SD at the end of the season so we could easily won 5 games with pryor.. I disagree that having palmer as our qb is a necessity when all he showed is that he can beat the bad teams and get beat by the avg.- good teams. Palmer hasn’t beaten a playoff team in 25 games he’s been here. not once can he pull off even an upset. sh!t even the jags beat a playoff team this year. we don’t lose nearly as much as all of u seem to believe we would if we let palmer go. see u throwing the whole team under the bus for this guy…what has he done since he has been a raider. mcfadden, dhb, d moore, etc. have all been better RAIDERS than palmer. they were all fine before palmer got here. they will be fine, maybe even better off if he leaves.
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it’s easy to say we could have won with Pryor, it’s easy to say Pryor did well in his only game and should improve and etc etc, but when the Ds get the game plan on you, it’s just another story, obviously he only had 1 int, but when Ds know how you like to throw and where you like to throw, then Pryor has to be more accurate than the water bloon throws he was making
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
284.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
n I know real Raiders fans don’t predict doom and gloom either, all these doom and gloom guys are trolls, and we all know who they are
Trolls are guys comeing here and rooting against the Raiders and rooting for other teams but you are to fkn stupid to even understand that dipsht!
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
off the record his agent and big mack are miles apart
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And you know this how? Or are you just making stuff up again?
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palmer comments
Its known all over the world that the raiders want to cut his pay, you think palmer and his agent are not aware?
lol
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Come on Reggie make the real move. Find some sucker to trade Palmer to.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Yeah Taiwan at CB is a swell experiment but that’s not what i’d wanna roll into week 1 with…
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
dude everyday I wake up and I wish I could fly. I’m not going to be all bummed out if I can’t.. try and have some reasonable expectations going into this season. If you can see that your team is going to suck year after year after year and you know it’s coming, because you watch the draft in see the mistakes.. and you still are a fan. And you still watch every game and you tattoo your body with the shield then you’re die hard Raider fan.. Fantasy land predictions where we go 16-0 and it doesn’t happen, doesn’t make you a better fan it makes you a daydreamer
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
And you completely write off a lst and 2nd round draft choice from the last two years. Dumbest thing ANYONE would do.
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Those picks are gone regardless of what happens with Palmer. They should play no part in the decision making of this team going forward,
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True but ostensibly you got SOMETHING for a 2011 lst round pick and a 2012 2nd round pick. What we got is a guy still on our roster. We can do things with that guy on our roster. Play him, sit him, trade him. Throwing him in the trash would be crazy. It’s some here who think he has no value playing, no trade value. Where this comes from is probably from Denver and SF.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
n I know real Raiders fans don’t predict doom and gloom either, all these doom and gloom guys are trolls, and we all know who they are
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There’s always been people in here who demand fans engage in “Happy Talk” during the 11 years of misery.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
288.eastoaklandraider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
If Palmer doesnt want to restucture then f@ck’em and we can hand the keys to Pryor install the read option, pistol, or whatever draft Warmack and lets do this. At least we can find out if TP can do it or not, even if TP has a good camp and and preseason we still wont know if he can do it til he plays in real games. This is not to say I dont like Palmer because I am a fan of his also and he got a raw deal when Hue was fired and they brought in Krapp to run his BS O, but if he is gonna give RM a hard time like I said F@CK’EM.
I agree,but he will most likely restructure and I hope he does.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
off the record his agent and big mack are miles apart
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And you know this how? Or are you just making stuff up again?
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palmer comments
Its known all over the world that the raiders want to cut his pay, you think palmer and his agent are not aware?
lol
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They’re trying to restructure everybodies contract because they need to make cap room, it’s not just Palmer’s dumb ass lol
March 7th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
it’s easy to say we could have won with Pryor, it’s easy to say Pryor did well in his only game and should improve and etc etc, but when the Ds get the game plan on you, it’s just another story,
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yep and the book is clealry out on palmer
human blooper reel and turn over prone blunder machine that couldnt lead to scores with a boat full of sailors at the moonlight bunny ranch
no way we are held to 5 fgs vs kc with pryor
March 7th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
289.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
So you agree with my point? it’s a team game, if you’re going to ride on Palmer’s arm then give him decent receivers, otherwise make the other parts of the team good, you can’t have one of the worst D, that allows a 3 straight touchdowns, and you’re trying to come back while throwing the ball rest of the way, with a turnstile RT, average receivers who only run 1 route
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i agree its a team game. i disagree that palmer is the answer. this year we could have won at least 3 of those games (KC and Jax) with pryor. we might not have beat pitt but if pryor got the experience of a yr we probably could have beaten carolina and SD at the end of the season so we could easily won 5 games with pryor.. I disagree that having palmer as our qb is a necessity when all he showed is that he can beat the bad teams and get beat by the avg.- good teams. Palmer hasn’t beaten a playoff team in 25 games he’s been here. not once can he pull off even an upset. sh!t even the jags beat a playoff team this year. we don’t lose nearly as much as all of u seem to believe we would if we let palmer go. see u throwing the whole team under the bus for this guy…what has he done since he has been a raider. mcfadden, dhb, d moore, etc. have all been better RAIDERS than palmer. they were all fine before palmer got here. they will be fine, maybe even better off if he leaves.
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it’s easy to say we could have won with Pryor, it’s easy to say Pryor did well in his only game and should improve and etc etc, but when the Ds get the game plan on you, it’s just another story, obviously he only had 1 int, but when Ds know how you like to throw and where you like to throw, then Pryor has to be more accurate than the water bloon throws he was making
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it’s also easy to say that he can’t throw and will never be a good qb because he didn’t have a good completion% but when a qb gets to actually practive with receivers and develop timing and they can open the playbook for him and he starts getting the speed of a real nfl game he can also possibly gett even better. This guy had never been in an nfl game and everyone knows that nfl speed is on a whol other level than college speed. the speed of everyone, the speed of the game is way faster. and pryor was still making everyone on that defense look SLOW. imagine once he gets adjusted to the speed of the game. that could easily be checkmate for the defense. sorry if i;m optimistic and think that the good things will happen not the bad
March 7th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
n I know real Raiders fans don’t predict doom and gloom either, all these doom and gloom guys are trolls, and we all know who they are
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There’s always been people in here who demand fans engage in “Happy Talk” during the 11 years of misery.
Then they call you a Niner fan, as if that’s some damning insult, who have 6 SB’s, btw. Lol.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Several other players are being targeted for restructured deals, as well, including quarterback Carson Palmer, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, free safety Michael Huff and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
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woot woot!!
March 7th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
True but ostensibly you got SOMETHING for a 2011 lst round pick and a 2012 2nd round pick. What we got is a guy still on our roster. We can do things with that guy on our roster. Play him, sit him, trade him. Throwing him in the trash would be crazy. It’s some here who think he has no value playing, no trade value. Where this comes from is probably from Denver and SF.
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but he costs 13 mill this year 15 mill next year. dead money is 9 mill spread over two years (if we can do that) is under 5 mill a year for the next two. forget who he was traded for, that’s gone and done with, we aren’t getting those back. gotta try to restructure the guy, trade him, or cut him. i’d like him to mentor pryor too as i’m encouraged but not convinced by him yet, but Palmer ties up too much damn $
March 7th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
off the record his agent and big mack are miles apart
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And you know this how? Or are you just making stuff up again?
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palmer comments
Its known all over the world that the raiders want to cut his pay, you think palmer and his agent are not aware?
lol
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They’re trying to restructure everybodies contract because they need to make cap room, it’s not just Palmer’s dumb ass lol
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lol trying to console yourself with that?
they are telling your hero take a cut or take a hike you are not worth your ridiculous salary
not exactly what you say to a qb you are enamored with is it
March 7th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
They wanted to cut Briesels pay, they did , they wanted to cut Branchs pay for 11 , n they did , they wanted to cut wimbleys and routts pay last year, they declined so they were cut, they want to cut huffs, kellys’ dmacs, dhbs and palmer’s pay so they can make some room to bring in solid FAs to help the team, i don’t know why this idiot is only talking about Palmer, lol the guy just can’t get enough of it , Palmer must have not tipped him well at his Apple Bees job
March 7th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
n I know real Raiders fans don’t predict doom and gloom either, all these doom and gloom guys are trolls, and we all know who they are
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There’s always been people in here who demand fans engage in “Happy Talk” during the 11 years of misery. Irrational.
Then they call you a Niner fan, as if that’s some damning insult, who have 6 SB’s, btw. Lol.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
lol trying to console yourself with that?
they are telling your hero take a cut or take a hike you are not worth your ridiculous salary
not exactly what you say to a qb you are enamored with is it
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If i was the Raiders GM, i would want every guy making over 7 million to take a pay cut, it has nothing to do with his game you idiot, it has to do with the salary cap, and they are asking everyone to take a pay cut
March 7th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
305.mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
They wanted to cut Briesels pay, they did , they wanted to cut Branchs pay for 11 , n they did , they wanted to cut wimbleys and routts pay last year, they declined so they were cut, they want to cut huffs, kellys’ dmacs, dhbs and palmer’s pay so they can make some room to bring in solid FAs to help the team, i don’t know why this idiot is only talking about Palmer, lol the guy just can’t get enough of it , Palmer must have not tipped him well at his Apple Bees job
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what “idiot” are you talking about?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
“Not sure what’s going to happen,” Palmer wrote. “Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
this says it all
off the record his agent and big mack are miles apart
palmer want his 13 mil 15 next year
palmer doesnt believe he should take a pay cut and was insulted by the low ball
palmer is set to take his money and get cut and try to catch on somewher else where he thinks he can get his true value
Palmer has washed out in oakland, and knows that even if he resigns, the first pick he throws will result in a buakake of jeers raining down on hs face, and pryor will be ready to take his gig. who needs the humiliation?
If he doesnt find an offer he likes post raider cut, he will retire to his couch only this time for real
so much for the greatest trade in football
what a joke
Palmer is
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Earth to Mistic.
Palmer wants out, but you soin it like we are showing him the door.
You think he wants to be in Cincy West? Moron.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
There’s only 1 guy who just can’t get enough of Palmer, idiot supa mental guy
March 7th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
good thing youre not!
March 7th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
honestly how can anyone not be excited about this young man
the football gods have blessed him with all world talent and a unparalleled work ethic and competitive spirit.
he is constantly working while carson is eating doughnuts counting money and digging in his heels.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A QB WITH THIS MUCH TALENT AND THE MINDSET TO MATCH!!!
read this
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/6/4073098/oakland-raiders-terrelle-pryor-seeking-help-from-trio-of-qb-coaches
March 7th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
honestly how can anyone not be excited about this young man
the football gods have blessed him with all world talent and a unparalleled work ethic and competitive spirit.
he is constantly working while carson is eating doughnuts counting money and digging in his heels.
WE HAVE NEVER HAD A QB WITH THIS MUCH TALENT AND THE MINDSET TO MATCH!!!
read this
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/6/4073098/oakland-raiders-terrelle-pryor-seeking-help-from-trio-of-qb-coaches
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LMFAO you’re becoming DEBO 2.0
March 7th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
lol trying to console yourself with that?
they are telling your hero take a cut or take a hike you are not worth your ridiculous salary
not exactly what you say to a qb you are enamored with is it
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If i was the Raiders GM, i would want every guy making over 7 million to take a pay cut, it has nothing to do with his game you idiot,
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name one raider player that has restructured this season whos game isnt in question to some degree?
Ill wait
March 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
it’s easy to say we could have won with Pryor, it’s easy to say Pryor did well in his only game and should improve and etc etc, but when the Ds get the game plan on you, it’s just another story,
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Didnt the D get the game plan on Kappy? OK… and what happened Mcdummy20? oh yeah he damn near won the f@cking SB!!! think before you type, are you really this dumb? BTW D’s also had the game plan on RWilson and RGIII too, I think those guys did pretty well too.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
lol trying to console yourself with that?
they are telling your hero take a cut or take a hike you are not worth your ridiculous salary
not exactly what you say to a qb you are enamored with is it
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If i was the Raiders GM, i would want every guy making over 7 million to take a pay cut, it has nothing to do with his game you idiot,
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name one raider player that has restructured this season whos game isnt in question to some degree?
Ill wait
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You can say that about every Raider player, don’t know why you’re always hanging onto Palmer’s nuts
March 7th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
“Not sure what’s going to happen,” Palmer wrote. “Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
this says it all
off the record his agent and big mack are miles apart
palmer want his 13 mil 15 next year
palmer doesnt believe he should take a pay cut and was insulted by the low ball
palmer is set to take his money and get cut and try to catch on somewher else where he thinks he can get his true value
Palmer has washed out in oakland, and knows that even if he resigns, the first pick he throws will result in a buakake of jeers raining down on hs face, and pryor will be ready to take his gig. who needs the humiliation?
If he doesnt find an offer he likes post raider cut, he will retire to his couch only this time for real
so much for the greatest trade in football
what a joke
Palmer is
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Earth to Mistic.
Palmer wants out, but you soin it like we are showing him the door.
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you must be on e
but what the hell does take a pay cut or kick rocks mean?
lol they arent exactly begging him to stay
hahahaha”i told you HE STINKS AND HIS ONE YEAR TRY OUT FLOPPED!!!
exactly as i have written it way back when he signed
March 7th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
stop it he is going to cry…
March 7th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
honestly how can anyone not be excited about this young man
the football gods have blessed him with all world talent and a unparalleled work ethic and competitive spirit.
he is constantly working while carson is eating doughnuts counting money and digging in his heels.
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Palmer isn’t there cause he doesn’t want to be. Right or wrong Carson is gonna do what he wants. He has no ties to the Raiders. He got his money in the signing bonus last year, Moron.
He is giving reggie the finger and calling him a big dummy.
He is daring Reggie to cut him cause he holds all the cards.
Ol’ Reggie Hubbard has got nada in the cupboard.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
it’s easy to say we could have won with Pryor, it’s easy to say Pryor did well in his only game and should improve and etc etc, but when the Ds get the game plan on you, it’s just another story,
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Didnt the D get the game plan on Kappy? OK… and what happened Mcdummy20? oh yeah he damn near won the f@cking SB!!! think before you type, are you really this dumb? BTW D’s also had the game plan on RWilson and RGIII too, I think those guys did pretty well too.
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Kappy was selected in 2nd rd , and a team moved up to get him , WIlson same story, RGIII was #2 overall pick, despite the athleticism, Pryor other skills aren’t even anywhere near those, if it wasn’t for ALs love for H-W-S the guy might not have been taken till 5-6th rounds and that’s in supplemental draft, no body was scared if any team picked him, where as teams traded up to get the other 3 guys
March 7th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
honestly how can anyone not be excited about this young man
the football gods have blessed him with all world talent and a unparalleled work ethic and competitive spirit.
he is constantly working while carson is eating doughnuts counting money and digging in his heels.
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gawd dayam i mean carson is an overpaid dissapointment but does he represent the man holding brothas down or some schit dayam
March 7th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
mac dik head you didnt answer the question
are wiz and veldeer taking a pay cut?
no
why? they are viewed as cornerstone pieces
palmer …. lol
give us back the 28-30 mil you signed for and take this half eaten chili dog and a bag of ruffles. or there is the door
hahahahaha
March 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
you must be on e
but what the hell does take a pay cut or kick rocks mean?
lol they arent exactly begging him to stay
hahahaha”i told you HE STINKS AND HIS ONE YEAR TRY OUT FLOPPED!!!
exactly as i have written it way back when he signed
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Name a team who publicly begs a player to stay when they need to cut salary of all the high priced players to create cap room
March 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Btw Mistic,
I have been all for cutting Palmer since seasons end.
The fact remains that Reggie got worked and worked hard. Palmer will not take a pay cut. He doesn’t have to.
He is waiting to be cut so he can sign for 8 mil somewhere else and have a legit #1 reciever.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
mac dik head you didnt answer the question
are wiz and veldeer taking a pay cut?
no
why? they are viewed as cornerstone pieces
palmer …. lol
give us back the 28-30 mil you signed for and take this half eaten chili dog and a bag of ruffles. or there is the door
hahahahaha
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That’s what they said to Briesel and Branch too , and thats what they said to ROutt and WImbley last year, because they’re in salary cap hell, and they don’t ask for bonus to be back , they are asking for his 13 salary to be reduced along with many other guys , so they can get decent talent in FA, what part of that you don’t understand?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
315.eastoaklandraider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
it’s easy to say we could have won with Pryor, it’s easy to say Pryor did well in his only game and should improve and etc etc, but when the Ds get the game plan on you, it’s just another story,
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Didnt the D get the game plan on Kappy? OK… and what happened Mcdummy20? oh yeah he damn near won the f@cking SB!!! think before you type, are you really this dumb? BTW D’s also had the game plan on RWilson and RGIII too, I think those guys did pretty well too.
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if you watch the first washington game this year. they were hella smart the way they handled griffin. his firstv 7-8 throws were all either behind the line of scrimmage or within 5 yds of the line. in his first nfl start, you know the game is going to be fast. They slowed it down and made it easy for him by allowing him to not even make a read just get it and get it out of your hands. then as any good qb will do after 7-8 str8 completions, he got confidence and the game slowed down for him and got easier, and the rest is history.
it took russell wilson about 6-7 games for the speed of tthe nfl to slow down for him. once it did, playmaker! Kaepernik it took him most of the st.louis second half and OT for him to get it n then by the time chicago came he was ready, especially for that vanilla @ss defense chicago runs. once the game slows down for pryor i believe he can have success too, and a lot of it. these athletic qbs are a nightmare for defenses. GB had a great gameplan for the niner, i’m sure. but when u play man to man on a qb like kaepernik and he gets away from the rush its game over. there gameplan was moot.
The eagles honestly F-ed up with michael vick trying to make him a pure pocket passer. u gotta let him get out and do his thing like he did in ATL, especially when your OLINE is turrible. i just hope they dont try to reign in TP and let him be who is he is, which is a playmaker
March 7th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
you must be on e
but what the hell does take a pay cut or kick rocks mean?
lol they arent exactly begging him to stay
hahahaha”i told you HE STINKS AND HIS ONE YEAR TRY OUT FLOPPED!!!
exactly as i have written it way back when he signed
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12 mil for a one year tryout and he still holds all the cards.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
it’s easy to say we could have won with Pryor, it’s easy to say Pryor did well in his only game and should improve and etc etc, but when the Ds get the game plan on you, it’s just another story,
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Didnt the D get the game plan on Kappy? OK… and what happened Mcdummy20? oh yeah he damn near won the f@cking SB!!! think before you type, are you really this dumb? BTW D’s also had the game plan on RWilson and RGIII too, I think those guys did pretty well too.
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Kappy was selected in 2nd rd , and a team moved up to get him , WIlson same story, RGIII was #2 overall pick, despite the athleticism, Pryor other skills aren’t even anywhere near those,
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mac nut cheese wilson was drafted in the 3rd round just like pryor
pryor was drafted after his Junior season, he is ahead of the curve and may be better than r wilson when all is said and done
i side with big mac on pryor ‘the sky is the limit”
never heard big mac say that about your precious hero
March 7th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Terrell Pryor has hired a QB coach to help him.
Clarkson now has his own private quarterback instruction business called “Steve Clarkson: Dream Maker”. He boasts having tutored the likes of Matt Leinart, J. P. Losman, Gino Torretta, Matt Barkley, and Jimmy Clausen.
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Did you see the guys this “QB Coach” has helped? Pryor is doomed.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Stephan Wiesnewski is barely making 1.2 M and Veldheer is making 1.5 M, how much more are they going to cut out of their contracts, with that kinda stupid comment, our conversation is over for today, seen enough of your IQ dumbing comments
March 7th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
You can say that about every Raider player, don’t know why you’re always hanging onto Palmer’s nuts
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Palmer doesn’t have any nuts.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
324.Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Btw Mistic,
I have been all for cutting Palmer since seasons end.
The fact remains that Reggie got worked and worked hard. Palmer will not take a pay cut. He doesn’t have to.
He is waiting to be cut so he can sign for 8 mil somewhere else and have a legit #1 reciever.
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hemight want to stay here tho, a team where he can have people blaming everyone else except him. inntead of going somewhere like AZ and having fitzgerald and failing there also. but even if that happened, i’m sure ppl would blame the offenseive line, run game, or say fitzgrerald is overrated just so he wont take any of the blame.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
you must be on e
but what the hell does take a pay cut or kick rocks mean?
lol they arent exactly begging him to stay
hahahaha”i told you HE STINKS AND HIS ONE YEAR TRY OUT FLOPPED!!!
exactly as i have written it way back when he signed
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12 mil for a one year tryout and he still holds all the cards.
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please explain how a player that receives a pay cut ultimatum is “still holding the cards”
the only card he is holding belongs to a travel agent, he is not getting 13 mil from the raiders
March 7th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Btw Mistic,
I have been all for cutting Palmer since seasons end.
The fact remains that Reggie got worked and worked hard. Palmer will not take a pay cut. He doesn’t have to.
He is waiting to be cut so he can sign for 8 mil somewhere else and have a legit #1 reciever.
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Palmer does hold all the cards. He can sign anywhere an get An offensive line, a reasonable defense and a RB who actually gives a sh**.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
mac nut cheese wilson was drafted in the 3rd round just like pryor
pryor was drafted after his Junior season, he is ahead of the curve and may be better than r wilson when all is said and done
i side with big mac on pryor ‘the sky is the limit”
never heard big mac say that about your precious hero
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LOL dude obviously with his athleticism, they’re going to say sky is the limit, he didn’t mention that he’s on top of the sky did he? what an idiot
March 7th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
mac dik head you didnt answer the question
are wiz and veldeer taking a pay cut?
no
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Veldeer and Wiz make 3 mil combined.
Your as big a dummy as reggie, Mistic.
Hey guys, I need you to restrusture so I can get $17 extra dollars in cap space.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Terrell Pryor has hired a QB coach to help him.
Clarkson now has his own private quarterback instruction business called “Steve Clarkson: Dream Maker”. He boasts having tutored the likes of Matt Leinart, J. P. Losman, Gino Torretta, Matt Barkley, and Jimmy Clausen.
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Did you see the guys this “QB Coach” has helped? Pryor is doomed.
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newton, luck, big ben
they are pretty decent players to have on your ledger dont you agree?
March 7th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
You can say that about every Raider player, don’t know why you’re always hanging onto Palmer’s nuts
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Palmer doesn’t have any nuts.
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Because they came off after mistic hung his 300+ pound body on them for 2 years
March 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
name one raider player that has restructured this season whos game isnt in question to some degree?
Ill wait
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Last year, Kamerion Wimbley. Didnt’t restructure got cut. His play wasn’t the issue, the out of whack contract was….
March 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
mac dik head you didnt answer the question
are wiz and veldeer taking a pay cut?
no
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Veldeer and Wiz make 3 mil combined.
Your as big a dummy as reggie, Mistic.
Hey guys, I need you to restrusture so I can get $17 extra dollars in cap space.
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ROFLMFAO seriously he’s the dumbest person ever
that’s why i’m done talking to him for today, already dumbed my IQ down a little bit with that comment.
GOOD LUCK to you man, hope you survive lol
March 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
n I know real Raiders fans don’t predict doom and gloom either, all these doom and gloom guys are trolls, and we all know who they are
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There’s always been people in here who demand fans engage in “Happy Talk” during the 11 years of misery. Irrational.
Then they call you a Niner fan, as if that’s some damning insult, who have 6 SB’s, btw. Lol.
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March 7th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
The only way Palmer doesn’t hold the cards is if we trade him. He can decline the pay cut, get released and paid while playing for another team. Or Reggie can trade him for whatever he can get then start TP and everyone is a winner.
March 7th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
I told you guys, M1st1c is just a few inches away from the door of his local mental institution
March 7th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
i used veldheer and wiz as examples because they are solid and not going anywhere
if that is not an example you will accept i will still wait for you to name one raider that was asked to take a pay cut that does not have questions about his performance now?
hell how about since reggie has been here?
routt gone
wimbly gone
seymore gone
palmer…..
not looking good and this is a performance based business cut and dry
March 7th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
please explain how a player that receives a pay cut ultimatum is “still holding the cards”
the only card he is holding belongs to a travel agent, he is not getting 13 mil from the raiders.
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Simple
Reggie asks Palmer to take a pay cut and Palmer replies, “Thank god, will you please cut me now so I can go to a place where they sign #1 recievers?”
“Oh, and best of luck with your QB that has 1 career start cause you have noone else. Lechler is now your #2.Oh wait, no he isn’t. He is a free agent too.”
March 7th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
JLofty Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
name one raider player that has restructured this season whos game isnt in question to some degree?
Ill wait
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Last year, Kamerion Wimbley. Didnt’t restructure got cut. His play wasn’t the issue, the out of whack contract was….
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contracts and salaries are based on performance that is how value is gauged
it is only out of whack when a player doesnt perform to that salary level
wimbly didnt perform to the level of his pay grade that makes it out of whack, take a cut or take a hike just like plamer this year
how can that be debated/
lol
lofty your hero is finished
March 7th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
pryor. What noone acxounts for. Is pryor is not the same guy that messed up. That was the best thing that couldve.happened to him. Before he was an athlete that played qb with only athleticismhe really didnt have to work hard to improve, just go out and run faster than everyone,and dominate. he now works harder than anyone, says everyrhing u wanna hear. More importantly hes been humbled. Think anout it, if he was in the draft this year. The humble pryor. Hes the 1st pick, worst case first eound
March 7th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
please explain how a player that receives a pay cut ultimatum is “still holding the cards”
the only card he is holding belongs to a travel agent, he is not getting 13 mil from the raiders.
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Simple
Reggie asks Palmer to take a pay cut and Palmer replies, “Thank god, will you please cut me now so I can go to a place where they sign #1 recievers?”
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so in other words the raiders dont thin he is worth what he is scheduled to be paid
thanks
March 7th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
I told you guys, M1st1c is just a few inches away from the door of his local mental institution
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He seems fine, you’re the one melting down everyday. Lol.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
i used veldheer and wiz as examples because they are solid and not going anywhere
if that is not an example you will accept i will still wait for you to name one raider that was asked to take a pay cut that does not have questions about his performance now?
hell how about since reggie has been here?
routt gone
wimbly gone
seymore gone
palmer…..
not looking good and this is a performance based business cut and dry
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seymour and kelly were restructured last year and they had pretty good years the previous. carson also restructured last year and he was an unknown. still say paycut if not trade hopefully if not cut
March 7th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Myopinion Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
pryor. What noone acxounts for. Is pryor is not the same guy that messed up. That was the best thing that couldve.happened to him. Before he was an athlete that played qb with only athleticismhe really didnt have to work hard to improve, just go out and run faster than everyone,and dominate. he now works harder than anyone, says everyrhing u wanna hear. More importantly hes been humbled. Think anout it, if he was in the draft this year. The humble pryor. Hes the 1st pick, worst case first eound
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i agree with this
this should be celebrated but palmer fans cant bear to do it
oh well root for another team when pryor is taking us back to nfl glory
March 7th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
324.Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Btw Mistic,
I have been all for cutting Palmer since seasons end.
The fact remains that Reggie got worked and worked hard. Palmer will not take a pay cut. He doesn’t have to.
He is waiting to be cut so he can sign for 8 mil somewhere else and have a legit #1 reciever.
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hemight want to stay here tho, a team where he can have people blaming everyone else except him. inntead of going somewhere like AZ and having fitzgerald and failing there also. but even if that happened, i’m sure ppl would blame the offenseive line, run game, or say fitzgrerald is overrated just so he wont take any of the blame.
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OKAY, let’s reverse that, obviously we’re lying about his supporting cast.
Our running game was top 5
Our receiving group was awesome
our Oline , especially the right side combo of Briesel and walker/smith was like great wall of china
and that special teams, omg , it was thing of beauty to watch them return punts and kicks for Tds, and that coverage, damn that coverage i never seen a coverage team tackling the returner before he crossed 15 yard like so many times
and what can we say about that D, we almost set the record for the most sacks ever, teams couldn’t run or throw on us
and that game planning by knapp, wow , he always had the camera crew confused with his calls, they didn’t even know where the football was half of the times when our O was on the field
except that guy named Palmer, he always underthrew to these great receivers, always made wrong choices, always turned it over, never took advantage of that great running game and that great D and the great field position he always got with that great return game, he’s the worst QB ever
Now does that make you feel better?
March 7th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
ok im out count down to carsons exodus and the lifting of the collar bone curse
March 7th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Root for another team , said the guy who celebrated every one of our loss, and disappeared when we won, (ofcourse he would like to tell you , that it was co-incidence that he was busy when we won 4 times, but he was always free when we lost 12 games
March 7th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
ok im out count down to carsons exodus and the lifting of the collar bone curse
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LMFAO yeah yeah
March 7th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Mistic off to the all black gym. See ya, F*ckface….
March 7th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
YEah we just became fans of the Raiders when Palmer came over lmao, n he’s been such a great fan always hoping for the worst from our qb n couldn’t wait to appear on here when we lost, and never saw him for couple of days after the wins, such a great awesome fan.
“I wish we had more fans like this”
- Said no one ever
March 7th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Trade down draft Warmack and with the 2nd rd pick draft Barret jones, then draft D from the 3rd on. Pick up Jake Long or the Winston Moss in FA, Bodda Boom Bodda Bing, We are right back to contention.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
I will lol if Palmer says “cut me so I can go to a team that will sign a #1 WR” and then we cut him and sign a #1 WR.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
You have to admire the professional athlete for their ability to stay professional when everyone wants to critsize everything they do and speculate on their money.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Pass rush is priority #1, you can have all the stars on the O, but if you’re D is going to allow the other team all the time in the pocket and score TDs at will, it won’t matter, just ask the Lakers, they can score anytime, but with no D, they find a way to lose
March 7th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
I will lol if Palmer says “cut me so I can go to a team that will sign a #1 WR” and then we cut him and sign a #1 WR.
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It would be ironic although we don’t have the 8-10 mil it’s gonna take.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
I will lol if Palmer says “cut me so I can go to a team that will sign a #1 WR” and then we cut him and sign a #1 WR.
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It would be ironic although we don’t have the 8-10 mil it’s gonna take.
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n the QB to throw the ball to him
March 7th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Funny how unrelenting Palmer love goes hand in hand with unrelenting Pryor hate.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
I would like to see Geno in a Raider uniform, but I know that it’s probaly not realistic.
I say Floyd if we stay put and Dion Jordan if we trade down.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
I don’t hate Pryor. He should get a shot. Regiie and DA are the big dummies for not seeing what they had last season.
I’m sorry, but the SD game was not enough considering both teams had nothing to play for.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Palmer sucks and cleary is on the way out. Just deal with it guys
March 7th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
mcxcuse….stop crying…youre only embarressing yourself further…
March 7th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
The most realistic option I see is to cut Palmer, sign Chase Daniel, and draft a QB like Matt Scott.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Palmer makes me mad because he has everything ud think it takes to be elite. for me I think ive just lost faith in him. Personally this is the first year ever that im not thinking superbowl. exageraring, but Im kinda bracing for a down year. Just would rather see what pryor can do in a year full time, at a great price. Worst case we get a great pick next year, and a f.a. Or two. this year. say we keep palmer. Wouldnt we be in the sam salart situation next year
March 7th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
These guys always trying to divide the nation, Palmer vs Pryor, Al vs REggie , etc vs etc, but nation is strong and smart, all these stupid games won’t do sh1t
March 7th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Funny how unrelenting Palmer love goes hand in hand with unrelenting Pryor hate.
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Don’t paint with such a wide brush. You will not find a single post of mine saying anything other than I’m completely behind Pryor and rooting for him to succeed.
Imo, if Pryor becomes our elite franchise QB there will be no one happier…and that’s becuz it will mean we are winning and that is the only thing I ultimately care about. I like the guy. I love his effort, his committment and his drive. I also love his athleticism.
I don’t think i’m the only one here that feels that way.
I do think Palmer gets too much crap becuz it tenda to exonerate the horrible s-teams, and defense. They don’t deserve exoneration imo.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Don’t paint with such a wide brush. You will not find a single post of mine saying anything other than I’m completely behind Pryor and rooting for him to succeed.
Imo, if Pryor becomes our elite franchise QB there will be no one happier…and that’s becuz it will mean we are winning and that is the only thing I ultimately care about. I like the guy. I love his effort, his committment and his drive. I also love his athleticism.
I don’t think i’m the only one here that feels that way.
I do think Palmer gets too much crap becuz it tenda to exonerate the horrible s-teams, and defense. They don’t deserve exoneration imo.
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yep he gets it too ..because he is not that fiery leader..and getting a high salary.. for a team that is in rebuilding
March 7th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
mctroll you haveno idea what the nation is about….
March 7th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
These guys always trying to divide the nation, Palmer vs Pryor, Al vs REggie , etc vs etc, but nation is strong and smart, all these stupid games won’t do sh1t
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You get so worked up over your own opinions, little man.
March 7th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Never on same page
March 7th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
so we’re 5 million under the cap now? damn if not for the dead money, we might have been like 40 M under the cap with options to go after any player
March 7th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
PALMER, DHB, KELLY, MCFADDEN, HUFF, should clear up 10-15 M more
March 7th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
My heros are DEFINATELY not football players Mioptic one. And frankly I could care less who the QB for the Raiders is as long as we win. The SupaBo.
One ball player maybe gets hero status in my book is that Joe Delaney guy used to play for the Chefs. Died trying to save 3 kids drowning despite not being much of a swimmer hisself….THAT’S HEROIC!
And if you could see beyond your nose you’d realize that Wimbley and Palmer are mostly exactly as you describe. Pay and performance are not exactly in line. But both players are examples, to me, of an issue with the PAY more so than the performance….
March 7th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Hey, I’m not gonna back down from liking Palmer. He’s always come off to me like a good guy..never throws anyone under the bus when he could, takes responsibility, gives his best effort…and unfortunately it was not enough. He isn’t good enough to carry a bad team on his back. Maybe that’s what we need.
You guys can divide up into Palmer vs. Pryor if you want, but i’m just gonna back whoever it is that gets the ball and is wearing a Raider helmet.
I don’t feel compelled to hate Pryor just cuz I don’t think Palmer is a schlep.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
Lofty, well said…
DJ, also very well said.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Thanks RFL.
I will say that IF Palmer is offered a pay cut…a reasonable one, and he refuses and demands to have a bigger salary than Aaron Rodgers or demands the same salary becuz “darnit…i’m elite” than my opinion might change a bit.
I don’t think it will go down that way, but it’s starting to look like he quite possibly will be cut.
Then the fun begins again in trying to decipher whether to draft Geno or go with Pryor.
Either way…i’ve got the kool aid ready to be mixed.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
This is not the year to look for a QB in the draft. If you like one in the later rounds great but I don’t think it should happen.
Palmer stays this year, paycut or not. He has no trade value at that pricetag. Pryor will compete all year with him.
2014 is when the Raiders will draft a QB. Derek Carr
March 7th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Waive Palmer, Seymour, and DHB.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
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March 7th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
23.Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I didnt say cp agreeing to a pay cut was common sense.. jesus guy learn to read. Im tired of defending the things the voices in your head say in my name.
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So explain why CP would take such a substantial paycut then for a team where the fans don’t want him here?
He had higher PFF metrics than QB’s like Rivers, Bradford, Flacco, and within spitting distance of players like Smith, and Cutler.
Do you see any of these players cutting their salary in half?
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flacco jsust won the super bowl and got grossly underpaid. he’ll probably be restructuring or getting cut/traded in the next three yrs when the teams falls off the wagon after losing so many other good players bc of inability to pay them.
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Dude, what the f are you talking about? You just making stuff up?
March 7th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I’m not sure if people realize how devastating it really is to have a losing season like the one we just had and how even more devastating it would be to have another one in 2013.
So, we go 4-12 again and draft Clowney…or not cuz he goes #1 and we just miss out. Or…we miss out on the best QB…barely. Then what?
Losing just means more misery..it doesn’t guarantee you’ll get better becuz of it.
IMO you win with whatever means necessary…cuz what i’ve seen shows winning breeds more winning. Losing just means even less FA’s are interested in being here..or your own players who wanna be on a winning team.
We might gain a nice pick, but we might lose a good player who is just sick of constantly losing.
It’s easy to say “we need to win..NOW” and harder to actually do it, but I think u gotta give it your best shot anyway.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I’m not sure if people realize how devastating it really is to have a losing season like the one we just had and how even more devastating it would be to have another one in 2013.
So, we go 4-12 again and draft Clowney…or not cuz he goes #1 and we just miss out. Or…we miss out on the best QB…barely. Then what?
Losing just means more misery..it doesn’t guarantee you’ll get better becuz of it.
IMO you win with whatever means necessary…cuz what i’ve seen shows winning breeds more winning. Losing just means even less FA’s are interested in being here..or your own players who wanna be on a winning team.
We might gain a nice pick, but we might lose a good player who is just sick of constantly losing.
It’s easy to say “we need to win..NOW” and harder to actually do it, but I think u gotta give it your best shot anyway.
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Nicely said. Glass half full much better.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Raider E Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
You have to admire the professional athlete for their ability to stay professional when everyone wants to critsize everything they do and speculate on their money.
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Mike Vick appreciates your compliment.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Pass rush is priority #1, you can have all the stars on the O, but if you’re D is going to allow the other team all the time in the pocket and score TDs at will, it won’t matter, just ask the Lakers, they can score anytime, but with no D, they find a way to lose
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Bingo.
This is why pass rushers are always more important than DBs. Give a QB time and somebody will uncover. Or find one good matchup and someone will get open in a few seconds.
Nothing against Millner, but I wouldn’t even consider him for a second with our pass rush (and o-line) needs.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I’m not sure if people realize how devastating it really is to have a losing season like the one we just had and how even more devastating it would be to have another one in 2013.
So, we go 4-12 again and draft Clowney…or not cuz he goes #1 and we just miss out. Or…we miss out on the best QB…barely. Then what?
Losing just means more misery..it doesn’t guarantee you’ll get better becuz of it.
IMO you win with whatever means necessary…cuz what i’ve seen shows winning breeds more winning. Losing just means even less FA’s are interested in being here..or your own players who wanna be on a winning team.
We might gain a nice pick, but we might lose a good player who is just sick of constantly losing.
It’s easy to say “we need to win..NOW” and harder to actually do it, but I think u gotta give it your best shot anyway.
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I agree, you go into every season trying to win the Superbowl. That said, you have to do it in a way that makes winning sustainable over multiple years.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Dakota Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Carson Palmer is 8-16 with 35 TD’s and 30 INTs in 24 starts with the Oakland
TRADE JUSTIFIED!!
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10 of his ints bounced off receivers or the receiver fell down. Another 3 of them came the day after he had a couch surgically removed from his azz.
Best QB since Gannon and people want him run out of town for Tui part II.
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Dakota nails it.
March 7th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Hey, I’m not gonna back down from liking Palmer. He’s always come off to me like a good guy..never throws anyone under the bus when he could, takes responsibility, gives his best effort…and unfortunately it was not enough. He isn’t good enough to carry a bad team on his back. Maybe that’s what we need.
You guys can divide up into Palmer vs. Pryor if you want, but i’m just gonna back whoever it is that gets the ball and is wearing a Raider helmet.
I don’t feel compelled to hate Pryor just cuz I don’t think Palmer is a schlep.
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Final some decency on this blog, Thanks Chris in NY, Lofty, Dakota,Raiderfankirk, ohioraider, DJ johnyy
March 7th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
10 of his ints bounced off receivers or the receiver fell down. Another 3 of them came the day after he had a couch surgically removed from his azz.
Best QB since Gannon and people want him run out of town for Tui part II.
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and 2 of them came when it counted with the game on the LINE
March 7th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Caught up w/ @JacobyFord12 yesterday. He’s doing very well in rehab from Lisfranc foot injury; wore cleats last week for 1st time since Aug
March 7th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
@JacobyFord12 : “I am back to running routes & feel pretty good about my straight-ahead full speed. & I have been cutting on it.” #Raiders
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March 7th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
SBreport @SBreport
A few guys the Raiders drafted before Seattle took Richard Sherman in 2011: Joseph Barksdale, Demarcus Van Dyke, and Chimdi Chekwa.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
19 mins Vic Tafur Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Ford has missed 24 of last 32 games but plans on stretching the field (17.0 yards-per-catch average) again and more in 2013 …
March 7th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
“I plan to do the whole nine yards this year, catch, return kickoffs and return punts,” @JacobyFord12 said. “Do everything.”
March 7th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Palmer should absolutely be our starting QB in 2013 period end of story Pryor is soooo far away from being a NFL caliber QB Reggie would be sealing his own fate if he started that puke
March 7th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
post 384 is Mistic what a pathetic cross posting loser
March 7th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
“I plan to do the whole nine yards this year, catch, return kickoffs and return punts,” @JacobyFord12 said. “Do everything.”
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For 3 games, then the guy will be hurt for the rest of the season. He’s mini-Chaz.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
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Final some decency on this blog,
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dude quit being so emotional. You troll just as much as anyone
March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Unless I’m missing something, this Branch restructure seems like a pretty good deal for the Raiders.
Baiscally, we kicked the big money out a few years where we could cut him to get out from under it while keeping him at a good value at $715K this year while saving 5 mil in cap room. I haven’t seen all the details reported, but on the surface it looks like a smart move from Captain Maple Syrup (come on, had to get one shot in there).
March 7th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
U didnt miss anything..thats why reggie did it
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
March 7th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
@JacobyFord12 : “I am back to running routes & feel pretty good about my straight-ahead full speed. & I have been cutting on it.” #Raiders
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great news!!
March 7th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
mctrollin still in here…lol, get some kleenex…
March 7th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
“I plan to do the whole nine yards this year, catch, return kickoffs and return punts,” @JacobyFord12 said. “Do everything.”
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This kid is a walking talking impact player, he changes everything we can do.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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idk about that, should give him a chance to compete we might have found something in him , if not we can always try him at WR
March 7th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Unless I’m missing something, this Branch restructure seems like a pretty good deal for the Raiders.
Baiscally, we kicked the big money out a few years where we could cut him to get out from under it while keeping him at a good value at $715K this year while saving 5 mil in cap room. I haven’t seen all the details reported, but on the surface it looks like a smart move from Captain Maple Syrup (come on, had to get one shot in there).
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Actually he is costing us 6 mil instead of 11 mil this year, a lil more than $715k lol
March 7th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Just w1n baby
March 7th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I’m not sure if people realize how devastating it really is to have a losing season like the one we just had and how even more devastating it would be to have another one in 2013.
So, we go 4-12 again and draft Clowney…or not cuz he goes #1 and we just miss out. Or…we miss out on the best QB…barely. Then what?
Losing just means more misery..it doesn’t guarantee you’ll get better becuz of it.
IMO you win with whatever means necessary…cuz what i’ve seen shows winning breeds more winning. Losing just means even less FA’s are interested in being here..or your own players who wanna be on a winning team.
We might gain a nice pick, but we might lose a good player who is just sick of constantly losing.
It’s easy to say “we need to win..NOW” and harder to actually do it, but I think u gotta give it your best shot anyway.
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Agreed. I never understood the logic in tanking a season especially multiple seasons. To build a franchise you need to win, even if its just 7-8 games to start. However, the fact we took a huge step backward last year was devastating, and people on here want to do it again.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
“I plan to do the whole nine yards this year, catch, return kickoffs and return punts,” @JacobyFord12 said. “Do everything.”
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This kid is a walking talking impact player, he changes everything we can do.
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He will never stay healthy. Some guys don’t either have the body for it or the heart to play through an injury.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Last 2 years likely voidable .. but having that we can spread the bonus cap hit another 2 years. Branch is decent but not elite as some have implied in the past. He needs to step it up this year. I think with Tarver’s D fully in place next year he’ll be better.
Might be able to do a similar deal with TK and Huff .. Palmer has way too much in contract to do anything less than basically a new contract paying him 5-8 mill a year (8 with incents), with us or somebody else.
DHB just needs to be released. Not worth keeping at any price over vet min. He’s a #3 WR in this league at best.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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idk about that, should give him a chance to compete we might have found something in him , if not we can always try him at WR
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Pryor should stay at QB for now and be our No. 2 guy behind Palmer this year. But the coaches should also look at creative ways to get him involved in the offense. Remember Kordell Stewart in Pittsburgh. He was a phenom in that “slash” role running the option, playing some QB, playing a bit of WR. Not sure how much receiver Pryor could play at this point while he’s focused on sharpening his QB game, but the coaches should definitely get some packages in for him. Maybe in short yardage and red zone type situations.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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idk about that, should give him a chance to compete we might have found something in him , if not we can always try him at WR
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Pryor should stay at QB for now and be our No. 2 guy behind Palmer this year. But the coaches should also look at creative ways to get him involved in the offense. Remember Kordell Stewart in Pittsburgh. He was a phenom in that “slash” role running the option, playing some QB, playing a bit of WR. Not sure how much receiver Pryor could play at this point while he’s focused on sharpening his QB game, but the coaches should definitely get some packages in for him. Maybe in short yardage and red zone type situations.
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Agreed, especially with the red zone packages. I still don’t understand the logic in not using him last year (well not surprised with Knapp running the show). Pryor could provide a spark in the red zone.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
417.rudegruden Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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idk about that, should give him a chance to compete we might have found something in him , if not we can always try him at WR
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Pryor should stay at QB for now and be our No. 2 guy behind Palmer this year. But the coaches should also look at creative ways to get him involved in the offense. Remember Kordell Stewart in Pittsburgh. He was a phenom in that “slash” role running the option, playing some QB, playing a bit of WR. Not sure how much receiver Pryor could play at this point while he’s focused on sharpening his QB game, but the coaches should definitely get some packages in for him. Maybe in short yardage and red zone type situations.
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Agreed, especially with the red zone packages. I still don’t understand the logic in not using him last year (well not surprised with Knapp running the show). Pryor could provide a spark in the red zone.
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Don’t forget. These clowns actually went to Leinart when we were dead in the water at season’s end rather than giving Pryor a look and some experience. It was only after fan, media and possibly Mark Davis backlash that they changed course in Wk 17.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
If Palmer wants to ensure his place in the Hall of Fame, he needs to leave here and go to a ready made team to lead him into the Playoffs. Lol.
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Would you bet against him taking us to the playoffs this year? Even with DA and Reggie-o-matic? Would you bet against Palmer leading us to the playoffs this year or do you think DA and o-matic suck big balls?
March 7th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
realtruraider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Unless I’m missing something, this Branch restructure seems like a pretty good deal for the Raiders.
Baiscally, we kicked the big money out a few years where we could cut him to get out from under it while keeping him at a good value at $715K this year while saving 5 mil in cap room. I haven’t seen all the details reported, but on the surface it looks like a smart move from Captain Maple Syrup (come on, had to get one shot in there).
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Actually he is costing us 6 mil instead of 11 mil this year, a lil more than $715k lol
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Yikes. See that now. I don’t know what the cap ramifications would’ve been for cutting him outright. Maybe that was untenable. But he’s not worth $6 mil per season. That’s for sure.
So far the two “out of whack” contracts Reggie has restructured this offseason were Reggie McKenzie contracts, not Al Davis ones.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
2-14 baby!
Hue = 8-8
DA = 4-12
DA (without Knapp) = 2-14
2014 = 0-16.
You heard it here first.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Jacoby is in a contract year – expect him to have a good season. He needs to be on the field though. And he’s been hurt pretty much since his big 2010 year. I like what he brings when he’s healthy in the slot and on the edge deep.
Streat at #1, DMoore at #2 and Jacoby at #3 should be the starters with Criner lot of reps at all 3 spots, especially red zone.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
417.rudegruden Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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idk about that, should give him a chance to compete we might have found something in him , if not we can always try him at WR
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Pryor should stay at QB for now and be our No. 2 guy behind Palmer this year. But the coaches should also look at creative ways to get him involved in the offense. Remember Kordell Stewart in Pittsburgh. He was a phenom in that “slash” role running the option, playing some QB, playing a bit of WR. Not sure how much receiver Pryor could play at this point while he’s focused on sharpening his QB game, but the coaches should definitely get some packages in for him. Maybe in short yardage and red zone type situations.
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Agreed, especially with the red zone packages. I still don’t understand the logic in not using him last year (well not surprised with Knapp running the show). Pryor could provide a spark in the red zone.
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Don’t forget. These clowns actually went to Leinart when we were dead in the water at season’s end rather than giving Pryor a look and some experience. It was only after fan, media and possibly Mark Davis backlash that they changed course in Wk 17.
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That was just mind blowing. Season out of reach, Palmer is out, and they use Leinart! Damn now I’m pissed at Knapp again, i thought i was getting over it.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
mctrollin still in here…lol, get some kleenex…
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kleenex might be a little weak for mud butt
March 7th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Area Man Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
2-14 baby!
Hue = 8-8
DA = 4-12
DA (without Knapp) = 2-14
2014 = 0-16.
You heard it here first.
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Nahh – 4-6 wins. Top 5 pick. 2014 new coach, clean books, deeper team – 10-6 and playoffs.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Yikes. See that now. I don’t know what the cap ramifications would’ve been for cutting him outright. Maybe that was untenable. But he’s not worth $6 mil per season. That’s for sure.
So far the two “out of whack” contracts Reggie has restructured this offseason were Reggie McKenzie contracts, not Al Davis ones.
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Which is why I’m worried Reggie is a “my guy” kind of GM. I really think he’s more in it to prove he’s right then what may be best for the team.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
424…lol.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Reg-o-matic and Palmers agent are working out the details. Palmer is gonna stay. Rumor has it he will take a pay cut but the new restructured contract will be cram packed full of play off incentives. Eat that.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
lmao…shrek has to redo his own contracts…and this guy is supposed to lead us to the promised land?
March 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
The WR’s we have actually translate better to TP’s game than Palmer;s. Palmer is a timing route QB – TP is a move the pocket break down the coverage QB – buy time until he sees an open guy – and his deep ball better than Palmers.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
rudegruden Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
417.rudegruden Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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idk about that, should give him a chance to compete we might have found something in him , if not we can always try him at WR
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Pryor should stay at QB for now and be our No. 2 guy behind Palmer this year. But the coaches should also look at creative ways to get him involved in the offense. Remember Kordell Stewart in Pittsburgh. He was a phenom in that “slash” role running the option, playing some QB, playing a bit of WR. Not sure how much receiver Pryor could play at this point while he’s focused on sharpening his QB game, but the coaches should definitely get some packages in for him. Maybe in short yardage and red zone type situations.
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Agreed, especially with the red zone packages. I still don’t understand the logic in not using him last year (well not surprised with Knapp running the show). Pryor could provide a spark in the red zone.
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Don’t forget. These clowns actually went to Leinart when we were dead in the water at season’s end rather than giving Pryor a look and some experience. It was only after fan, media and possibly Mark Davis backlash that they changed course in Wk 17.
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That was just mind blowing. Season out of reach, Palmer is out, and they use Leinart! Damn now I’m pissed at Knapp again, i thought i was getting over it.
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Same thing with icing Taiwan Jones even after both McFadden and Goodson were out.
I think personnel judgements have been very shaky under the new regime. Don’t forget Willie Smith getting beat like a drum week after week.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
The WR’s we have actually translate better to TP’s game than Palmer;s. Palmer is a timing route QB – TP is a move the pocket break down the coverage QB – buy time until he sees an open guy – and his deep ball better than Palmers.
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So Pryor is better with less talented WR’s. Sounds like a winning team.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
If MR would just f’n die already!!!!!
March 7th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
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Final some decency on this blog, ……..
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I think you got the wrong blog. Is it decent to call other bloggers names and ridicule them and say all kinds of nasty stuff about them? Like tolls? Until you and others like dr r clean it up, this place is far from decent.
Lets start a Club For Decency On This Blog.
Repeat after me: I will be nice to people on this blog.
You’re now a member.
P.S. Hugging DAs’ nutt sac is not automatic for membership.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
rudegruden Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
417.rudegruden Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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idk about that, should give him a chance to compete we might have found something in him , if not we can always try him at WR
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Pryor should stay at QB for now and be our No. 2 guy behind Palmer this year. But the coaches should also look at creative ways to get him involved in the offense. Remember Kordell Stewart in Pittsburgh. He was a phenom in that “slash” role running the option, playing some QB, playing a bit of WR. Not sure how much receiver Pryor could play at this point while he’s focused on sharpening his QB game, but the coaches should definitely get some packages in for him. Maybe in short yardage and red zone type situations.
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Agreed, especially with the red zone packages. I still don’t understand the logic in not using him last year (well not surprised with Knapp running the show). Pryor could provide a spark in the red zone.
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Don’t forget. These clowns actually went to Leinart when we were dead in the water at season’s end rather than giving Pryor a look and some experience. It was only after fan, media and possibly Mark Davis backlash that they changed course in Wk 17.
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That was just mind blowing. Season out of reach, Palmer is out, and they use Leinart! Damn now I’m pissed at Knapp again, i thought i was getting over it.
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Same thing with icing Taiwan Jones even after both McFadden and Goodson were out.
I think personnel judgements have been very shaky under the new regime. Don’t forget Willie Smith getting beat like a drum week after week.
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You had to bring up Willie Smith, Another name I thought I erased from my memory.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
The WR’s we have actually translate better to TP’s game than Palmer;s. Palmer is a timing route QB – TP is a move the pocket break down the coverage QB – buy time until he sees an open guy – and his deep ball better than Palmers.
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You had me until you said Pryor’s deep ball is better than Palmer’s. That sir, is one of the more outlandish claims I’ve seen on this board in some time.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
TP running the offense might not be as pretty as some would want, but he moves the chains and doesn’t turn the ball over.
March 7th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Don’t paint with such a wide brush. You will not find a single post of mine saying anything other than I’m completely behind Pryor and rooting for him to succeed.
Imo, if Pryor becomes our elite franchise QB there will be no one happier…and that’s becuz it will mean we are winning and that is the only thing I ultimately care about. I like the guy. I love his effort, his committment and his drive. I also love his athleticism.
I don’t think i’m the only one here that feels that way.
I do think Palmer gets too much crap becuz it tenda to exonerate the horrible s-teams, and defense. They don’t deserve exoneration imo.
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March 7th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
The WR’s we have actually translate better to TP’s game than Palmer;s. Palmer is a timing route QB – TP is a move the pocket break down the coverage QB – buy time until he sees an open guy – and his deep ball better than Palmers.
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You had me until you said Pryor’s deep ball is better than Palmer’s. That sir, is one of the more outlandish claims I’ve seen on this board in some time.
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Palmer cant sling it deep since his elbow injury – its well known. TP has a strong (not accurate) arm – but puts air under the ball and the deep ball was lethal at OSU. Look at his college career – + highlites in preseason last year with deep strikes to Streater and Criner – and the last game w/SD with two big down the field strikes. Just going off what I see brah.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Don’t paint with such a wide brush. You will not find a single post of mine saying anything other than I’m completely behind Pryor and rooting for him to succeed.
Imo, if Pryor becomes our elite franchise QB there will be no one happier…and that’s becuz it will mean we are winning and that is the only thing I ultimately care about. I like the guy. I love his effort, his committment and his drive. I also love his athleticism.
I don’t think i’m the only one here that feels that way.
I do think Palmer gets too much crap becuz it tenda to exonerate the horrible s-teams, and defense. They don’t deserve exoneration imo.
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No one any reason to think other wise.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Palmer cant sling it deep since his elbow injury – its well known
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Uh…. y who? I think TP showed some nice touch on some of his balls the last game, and some of those were dropped.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
by who*
March 7th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
rudegruden Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
The WR’s we have actually translate better to TP’s game than Palmer;s. Palmer is a timing route QB – TP is a move the pocket break down the coverage QB – buy time until he sees an open guy – and his deep ball better than Palmers.
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So Pryor is better with less talented WR’s. Sounds like a winning team.
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Winning? that’s a good one.. Talking about getting the most out of what we have now not fantasy land.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
The WR’s we have actually translate better to TP’s game than Palmer;s. Palmer is a timing route QB – TP is a move the pocket break down the coverage QB – buy time until he sees an open guy – and his deep ball better than Palmers.
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You had me until you said Pryor’s deep ball is better than Palmer’s. That sir, is one of the more outlandish claims I’ve seen on this board in some time.
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Palmer cant sling it deep since his elbow injury – its well known. TP has a strong (not accurate) arm – but puts air under the ball and the deep ball was lethal at OSU. Look at his college career – + highlites in preseason last year with deep strikes to Streater and Criner – and the last game w/SD with two big down the field strikes. Just going off what I see brah.
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Pryor’s got a strong arm, but Palmer can still put the ball on the money deep down the field. Going back to his USC days, he’s one of the best downfield throwers of the last 15 years.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
google ‘palmer arm strength’
March 7th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Pryor’s got a strong arm, but Palmer can still put the ball on the money deep down the field. Going back to his USC days, he’s one of the best downfield throwers of the last 15 years.
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Not the same guy since the elbow – still has good medium strength throws but his deep downfield passes are not good.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Whatever happened to ‘Raider Fan Radio’? Raider Rob held the ‘Kiffin must Go’ sign on MNF – we need that reprised for ‘DA must go’ – not that we’ll see MNF for a while..
March 7th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Pryor’s got a strong arm, but Palmer can still put the ball on the money deep down the field. Going back to his USC days, he’s one of the best downfield throwers of the last 15 years.
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Not the same guy since the elbow – still has good medium strength throws but his deep downfield passes are not good.
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Maybe he’s not quite as consistent with it as he once was, but I’ve seen him pinpoint some absolute gems since his arrival. I can picture several deep throws to Moore, Ford, Reece and DHB that were deep and on the money since his arrival. I’d say he’s still a top 10 deep ball thrower in this league. Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
any good Raider podcasts out there cept raidernationpodcast?
We should start one.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
HOLLA DAWGS
oh missus b just been gettin on. just got dun servin 120 days in the slammer (second offence) for droppin a large turd lawg in a public establishment. on the floor. the toilet was out of order. so i let it drop on aisle four. “Clean up on aisle for”.
lolololololololololololololol. missus b still nastier than eva.
i see there is some stank still in here
MO SCHIZZLE FO BIZZLE
March 7th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
March 7th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
March 7th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
March 7th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
I like Palmer as a player and a person – but he has never lived up to his potential in the NFL – and his contract is insane – and his game doesn’t really match what we have at WR. His technique as a drop back QB is among the best in the game no question. He is as polished as anybody but has he never gotten anywhere in playoffs even with stud teams like he had in Cinci. We’re in a rebuild mode with moving parts everywhere but we have speed at WR and TP is better (financially as well) right now.
I say offer him a new contract, attempt a trade with AZ or release him straight out we can’t pay his current contract period. And having TP be the starter is not as bad as people make it out to be considering where we are as a team right now I think he would get more or less the same number of wins – maybe more..
March 7th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
March 7th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
March 7th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
GOT A NUTT UP THE BUTT, WHUT
NO WAY. MISSUS B LOVES THE BBW
March 7th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Sign Reggie Smith!!!!
March 7th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Straight up Read Option offense with DMAC and Reese in the backfield and our speedy WR’s running around not the worst offense in the world.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
On a read option how does the line know the block pass/run? Should the D always scream run to draw the lineman down field?
March 7th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Should’nt the mlb read his own DE?
March 7th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Don’t forget. These clowns actually went to Leinart when we were dead in the water at season’s end rather than giving Pryor a look and some experience. It was only after fan, media and possibly Mark Davis backlash that they changed course in Wk 17.
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That’s what I don’t get, and Leinart looked like trash. Perfect opportunity to give Houdini some experience and the coaching staff fumbled the snap.
March 7th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
I don’t think I would trust this staff with installing the read option as the main attack.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
The paper reported that Branch added two big years of contract money in 2016 and 2017. Branch signed an extension last year. While the move helps Oakland now, the Raiders need to be careful and not to do too many of these type of deals. These are the type of deals that get teams in cap trouble down the road. But it was necessary to help the team this year.
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Reggie already getting himself into trouble?
March 7th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Reggie doing work…now only if the trolls can restructure the adolescent and repetitive, sub human garbage some of you post all day and get with the program.
Reggie is staying and so is Tits for now. lol
March 7th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Let’s resign Wheeler now that we can afford to before, the new season begins, and it becomes a bidding war- 3 years total 10 million
March 7th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
I don’t think I would trust this staff with installing the read option as the main attack.
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Not main but an option ( get it option). Coughlin was NFLN this morning and they asked him about his coaches studying the read option at colleges. One of the host asked him ” certainly you are’nt gunna run it to many times with Eli?’. He repiied ” Eli has wheels, we’ve been keeping him under wraps.”
March 7th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Dolphins keep Brian Hartline
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2013, 11:43 PM EST
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At a time when many expect the Dolphins to make a play for receiver Mike Wallace once free agency opens, they have finalized a deal to keep one of their most productive pass catchers on the team.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Dolphins have agreed to terms with receiver Brian Hartline.
It’s a five-year, $30.775 million contract, with $12.5 million in fully-guaranteed money.
A fourth-round pick in 2009 from Ohio State, Hartline had a career-best 74 catches for a career-high 1,083 yards in 2012. If the Dolphins land a field-stretcher like Wallace, those number could go up.
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Cross Hartline off your list. If he was on it?
March 7th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
… He is as polished as anybody but has he never gotten anywhere in playoffs even with stud teams like he had in Cinci. …
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I think that’s the first time anyone has ever referred to the Cincinnati Bengals having a “stud” team.
It was pretty much Palmer making Chad and TJ look better than they probably were and a bunch of schleps. I’d love to hear who the stud players were.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
ian85 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor should move to WR he could honestly give our pathetic WR corp a run for the money and could probably make a big impact for the faired haired hero in 2013
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Lol! You are in denial Sht for Brains!
March 7th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
It was pretty much Palmer making Chad and TJ look better than they probably were and a bunch of schleps. I’d love to hear who the stud players were.
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Why can’t he do that here? Boy you people talk out of both sides of your mouth.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
… He is as polished as anybody but has he never gotten anywhere in playoffs even with stud teams like he had in Cinci. …
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I think that’s the first time anyone has ever referred to the Cincinnati Bengals having a “stud” team.
It was pretty much Palmer making Chad and TJ look better than they probably were and a bunch of schleps. I’d love to hear who the stud players were.
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Cinci would have been better off with Palmer this year than Dalton?
March 7th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
… He is as polished as anybody but has he never gotten anywhere in playoffs even with stud teams like he had in Cinci. …
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I think that’s the first time anyone has ever referred to the Cincinnati Bengals having a “stud” team.
It was pretty much Palmer making Chad and TJ look better than they probably were and a bunch of schleps. I’d love to hear who the stud players were.
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Chad Johnson, TJ, Chris Henry, and Rudi Johnson? Pretty nice group. Schleps??? Remember that Ocho and TJ revived Kitna’s career while Carson was on the bench that 1st year. Got Kitna another chance to start in Detroit. Palmer has always been surrounded by plenty of talent. He rode on Cedric Benson’s coattails all the way to the playoffs in 2009. As it turns out, the team he QUIT on is pretty good too.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Man I hope we sign Jamarcus!!!
March 7th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Six mill in 2016-17 will be peanuts, probably with voidable/options tied to it anyway.
Branch is one of the better safeties in the NFL.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Friday, cut Kelly & McClain, we can afford the cap hit now, I wonder if palmer and DHB realize that too.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Branch is one of the better safeties in the NFL
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Yep. Catches alot of shizt in here.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:30
Chad Johnson, TJ, Chris Henry, and Rudi Johnson? Pretty nice group.
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How many of that “nice group” are in the NFL right now?
March 7th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:30
Chad Johnson, TJ, Chris Henry, and Rudi Johnson? Pretty nice group.
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How many of that “nice group” are in the NFL right now?
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So what’s your point? You saying these guys suck? Have you ever watched one Bengals’ game in your life?
March 7th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:30
Chad Johnson, TJ, Chris Henry, and Rudi Johnson? Pretty nice group.
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How many of that “nice group” are in the NFL right now?
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Wow, that was brilliant. Not.
March 7th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
It was pretty much Palmer making Chad and TJ look better than they probably were and a bunch of schleps. I’d love to hear who the stud players were.
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Why can’t he do that here? Boy you people talk out of both sides of your mouth.
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You’re right. Any QB could’ve thrown for 4,000+ yards this year (in 14 games) with our elite, polished receiving corps. And you know Brandon Myers has always been a stud TE.
Our record had very little to do with the fact our coaching staff rendered our running game worthless and we had the worst defense in the league for the vast majority of the season.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:30
Chad Johnson, TJ, Chris Henry, and Rudi Johnson? Pretty nice group.
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How many of that “nice group” are in the NFL right now?
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Wow, that was brilliant. Not.
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Man, You are getting dumber by the second. Palmer is still in the league. They mentioned all these “great Players” that somehow faded the second Palmer left. Maybe they weren’t that great. Maybe Palmer was the good player and you are an imbecile.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
kelly is resigning so is dhb, curious why its so quiet with seymour…and mctool20 is still crying…
March 7th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Making room for draft picks baby!
March 7th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
It was pretty much Palmer making Chad and TJ look better than they probably were and a bunch of schleps. I’d love to hear who the stud players were.
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Why can’t he do that here?
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He DID do that here you moron. The Raiders are not going to resign their number one recieve Brandon Myers. Myers had an exceptional year. Do you know why? Carson Palmer. They have paid DHB a ton. He blows. Who else is here?
March 7th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Maybe Palmer was the good player and you are an imbecile.
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Maybe you’re the imbecile, Seymour. You’ve been wrong the last 10 years.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Raiders as a team needs to have decent D, much better pass rush than last year, more confusing looks for the O on D, better special team returns and better covers, and better run game and much better blocking from right side along with couple of decent receivers who get open and can do all kinda routes, to make the playoffs.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Branch is one of the better safeties in the NFL
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Yep. Catches alot of shizt in here.
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Against the run I guess. Against the pass he is MM’s twin.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Radier Debo is the biggest idiot on this blog. Why do you guys talk to this dumbazz?
This is the genius who says JaLardass Russell is gearing for a comeback. That should tell u all u need to know.
For your information dumbazz, Palmer didn’t quit on the Bengals…he played the entire season and was willing to walk away from over 10 mill. YOU wouldn’t walk away from 5 bucks for giving a bj. Sorry you’re butt hurt about Palmer not wanting to play for your Bengals. Quit being so obsessed with Palmer you freak. Get over him. He doesn’t know you or like you.
Keep talking that Russell garbage genius.
You’re a freaking joke and an idiot. Dumbest most pathetic poster here.
Tell us more about Russell…..hahahahahaha.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Barnes! That’s his name! Earlier today or last night I was sorting out how our o-line looks currently and couldn’t remember his name. Just left it as “Falsestart”.
Oh sorry that wasn’t about Palmer. Carry on.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
CDERaider Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
… He is as polished as anybody but has he never gotten anywhere in playoffs even with stud teams like he had in Cinci. …
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I think that’s the first time anyone has ever referred to the Cincinnati Bengals having a “stud” team.
It was pretty much Palmer making Chad and TJ look better than they probably were and a bunch of schleps. I’d love to hear who the stud players were.
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Cinci would have been better off with Palmer this year than Dalton?
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Yes. Absolutely.
Dalton had more INTs than Palmer.
Palmer threw for about 400 more yards in two fewer games.
Dalton also had the likes of AJ Green and Jermaine Gresham to throw to, one of the best defenses in the league backing him up. And a solid running game. And bombed in Cincy’s playoff game.
I’m not saying Dalton is a bad QB. I think he’s solid. Palmer is better.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:30
Chad Johnson, TJ, Chris Henry, and Rudi Johnson? Pretty nice group.
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How many of that “nice group” are in the NFL right now?
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Wow, that was brilliant. Not.
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Man, You are getting dumber by the second. Palmer is still in the league. They mentioned all these “great Players” that somehow faded the second Palmer left. Maybe they weren’t that great. Maybe Palmer was the good player and you are an imbecile.
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“Faded the second Palmer left”??? Dude, the players I mentioned were from the 2005 roster.You know, when Palmer was actually good? He just left a little more than a year ago. Every one of those guys was a stud when he was there. And I haven’t even listed the studs on the OL. You can make any other excuse for the guy you want, but trying to trash his supporting cast in Cincy makes you look like an idiot. And on top of that, look at the continuity in coaching the guy had at HC and on the offensive side of the ball? He was set up for sucess there, like it or not. If you want an example of a QB who was set up to fail due to an abysmal supporting cast and a revolving door at HC and the offensive staff, look no further than your very own JaMarcus Russell here in Oakland.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/982/elway-worried-for-russell-hammers-raiders
March 7th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
“Palmer didn’t quit on the Bengals…he played the entire season and was willing to walk away from over 10 mill.”
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And then he did the next season. Thus the quitting.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
I’m not saying Dalton is a bad QB. I think he’s solid. Palmer is better.
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Easy… you’ll be called a worshiper. lol
March 7th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Maybe Palmer was the good player and you are an imbecile.
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Maybe you’re the imbecile, Seymour. You’ve been wrong the last 10 years.
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Are you using the “I’m rubber and you’re glue” defense? This is now incredible you imbecile.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
If you haven’t gotten it, let me explain it to you: Other than Jamista Clown, YOU are the blog asswipe. Posters come in here in wipe themselves with you.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Maybe Palmer was the good player and you are an imbecile.
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Maybe you’re the imbecile, Seymour. You’ve been wrong the last 10 years.
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Are you using the “I’m rubber and you’re glue” defense? This is now incredible you imbecile.
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LOl. Kell = Grumpy old man. Easy killer………… I mean that in a good way………………… I think?
March 7th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Raider8 Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Radier Debo is the bi
ggest idiot on this blog. Why do you guys talk to this dumbazz?
This is the genius who says JaLardass Russell is gearing for a comeback. That should tell u all u need to know.
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Hey dmsht. Newsflash: JaMarcus IS “gearing for a comeback”. Time to come out of the cave.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1553656-comeback-2013-jamarcus-russell-airs-it-out
March 7th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
If you haven’t gotten it, let me explain it to you: Other than Jamista Clown, YOU are the blog asswipe. Posters come in here in wipe themselves with you.
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I’ve wiped your face with Al Davis’ ass for the last 10 years. Remember?
March 7th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
“Palmer didn’t quit on the Bengals…he played the entire season and was willing to walk away from over 10 mill.”
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And then he did the next season. Thus the quitting.
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Palmer left the Bengals because of issues he had with Mike Brown, generally considered one of the one or two worst owners in all of American professional sports.
No one knows for sure what those issues were. Lots of speculation. But if you want to roll with Mike Brown and his rep against Carson and his, be my guest.
It’s not like Palmer was refusing to give any effort and getting tanked on cough syrup and shopping for 4 karat diamond rings rather than study his playbook and learn his craft. That, to me, is quitting.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Friday, cut Kelly & McClain, we can afford the cap hit now, I wonder if palmer and DHB realize that too.
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The cap hit was/is never a issue with those players, cutting those players will actually give us cap relief, but we won’t cut them until Tuesday because then we can use the June 1st rule in which we can spread the deadmoney cap hit over 2 years
March 7th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
If you haven’t gotten it, let me explain it to you: Other than Jamista Clown, YOU are the blog asswipe. Posters come in here in wipe themselves with you.
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I’ve wiped your face with Al Davis’ ass for the last 10 years. Remember?
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hahhahahaha. You are drunk and don’t know what you are saying. This must be the KK troll. Even KK isn’t THIS STUPID.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
“Palmer didn’t quit on the Bengals…he played the entire season and was willing to walk away from over 10 mill.”
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And then he did the next season. Thus the quitting.
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Palmer left the Bengals because of issues he had with Mike Brown, generally considered one of the one or two worst owners in all of American professional sports.
No one knows for sure what those issues were. Lots of speculation. But if you want to roll with Mike Brown and his rep against Carson and his, be my guest.
It’s not like Palmer was refusing to give any effort and getting tanked on cough syrup and shopping for 4 karat diamond rings rather than study his playbook and learn his craft. That, to me, is quitting.
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Nice spin. Thae same Mike Brown who put Palmer in position to sock away $80 million in the bank? The guy that wanted him back as the unquestioned starter? I don’t really care what Palmer’s issues were with Mike Brown. Brown owns the team. Brown paid the guy handsomely. He made him the face of the franchise. And Palmer spit in his face. No way around that. You can say what you want about JaMarcus. But the guy busted his ass during the 2010 offseason and came to the 1st minicamp ready to fight for his job. Outperformed every QB on the roster the 1st day and then his reps were taken away and given to JC. Then we cut him. Did you get that?? We cut him. He did not quit. JaMarcus has more integrity in his pinkie finger than Carson Palmer will ever have.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
“Palmer didn’t quit on the Bengals…he played the entire season and was willing to walk away from over 10 mill.”
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And then he did the next season. Thus the quitting.
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Carson Palmer did not quit on the Bungholes. Mike Brown did. This is well known.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Seymour/Oakglenn
I wiped your face with Al Davis’ azz for the last 10 years, remember? Of course you do.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
I’m not saying Dalton is a bad QB. I think he’s solid. Palmer is better.
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PFF sez Dalton is a pretty bad QB according to their metrics.
-3.4 and -10.6 last two years.
Thats bottom 8.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
McClain is gone. That’s a no-brainer.
I’m not sure that TK is completely out. I’d say probably. Maybe 70-30. But I could see a scenario where the Raiders try to get him to restructure and stick around for another year or two.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Debo… LaMarcus????????? Nuff said.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
I’m not saying Dalton is a bad QB. I think he’s solid. Palmer is better.
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PFF sez Dalton is a pretty bad QB according to their metrics.
-3.4 and -10.6 last two years.
Thats bottom 8.
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One thing we agree on. Dalton sucks. Cincy has a team of studs, but to advance in the playoffs they will have to upgrade the QB position. Having said that, somehow he’s managed to be an upgrade over Palmer. Go figure.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
This is almost as bad as watching a hardcore team-first republican and hardcore team-first democrat argue about politics. There’s quite a bit of yelling, few coherent points, and ultimately America loses.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Debo… LaMarcus????????? Nuff said.
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Aldrige is the new QB in Raiderland?
March 7th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
McClain is gone. That’s a no-brainer.
I’m not sure that TK is completely out. I’d say probably. Maybe 70-30. But I could see a scenario where the Raiders try to get him to restructure and stick around for another year or two.
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I think they want to keep him. At a better price of course. There is not much on the roster in terms of D-lineman. Whatshisface from the Eagles is being looked at in case that doesn’t work out imo.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Seymour/Oakglenn
I wiped your face with Al Davis’ azz for the last 10 years, remember? Of course you do.
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You BLAMED Davis you senile old POS. Go to bed you are embarrassing yourself more than usual. Which is hard to do.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Debo troll, KK troll, sounds like Whiner fan is here.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Gdog Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
I’m not saying Dalton is a bad QB. I think he’s solid. Palmer is better.
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PFF sez Dalton is a pretty bad QB according to their metrics.
-3.4 and -10.6 last two years.
Thats bottom 8.
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One thing we agree on. Dalton sucks. Cincy has a team of studs, but to advance in the playoffs they will have to upgrade the QB position. Having said that, somehow he’s managed to be an upgrade over Palmer. Go figure.
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If you watched Dalton face-plant in the playoffs, I doubt anyone would say he is an upgrade.
Unless you are now saying playoffs don’t matter.
He looked like a high school QB completely over his head.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Seymour/Oakglenn
I wiped your face with Al Davis’ azz for the last 10 years, remember? Of course you do.
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You BLAMED Davis you senile old POS. Go to bed you are embarrassing yourself more than usual. Which is hard to do.
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Yes I did, and in the process, I wiped your face with his senile ass for the last 10 years
March 7th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Debo troll, KK troll, sounds like Whiner fan is here.
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When all else fails the dumbass calls you a whiner fan. Lol.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Home: Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Pittsburgh Steelers
Away: Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, New York Jets
At least we play the Jags again.
March 7th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
I really hope this season that our defense gets a couple of pass rushers and builds on its improvement from late in the season.
That DMC returns to form in the power scheme.
That D-Moore gets his head out of his azz, Ford stays healthy, and Streater builds on a great rookie campaign.
Then, Carson Palmer can lead us deep into the postseason by being Carson Palmer and make all the snickering media and the half of Raider Nation that mindlessly believes everything they say eat sh!t and go away.
That said, I think that most of the Palmer haters aren’t taking their cues from the media so much as that they just want to see what Terrell Pryor can do, so that’s not really directed at you guys.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Ahhhh yeah, the “Media” absolutely hates the clean cut Carson Palmer. (Sarcasm)
March 7th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
rediaR Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Home: Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Jacksonville Jaguars, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Pittsburgh Steelers
Away: Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Dallas Cowboys, New York Giants, New York Jets
At least we play the Jags again.
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Jags, Chiefs twice, Eagles. That’s 4 games against three teams picking in the top 4 this draft.
Jets, SD twice, Cowboys, Titans, Eagles, Steelers, Giants. That’s another 8 games against non-playoff teams from last year.
If we’re a good team we’re a good team and will earn wins.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Ahhhh yeah, the “Media” absolutely hates the clean cut Carson Palmer. (Sarcasm)
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The media hates the Raiders and enjoys mocking us for trading two draft picks for him because the media loves the NFL Draft because it fuels the football off-season with stories and interest in their reporting and thus they tend to overvalue those picks.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Chris In NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Ahhhh yeah, the “Media” absolutely hates the clean cut Carson Palmer. (Sarcasm)
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The media hates the Raiders and enjoys mocking us for trading two draft picks for him because the media loves the NFL Draft because it fuels the football off-season with stories and interest in their reporting and thus they tend to overvalue those picks.
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Ahhh, ok.
Gnite Gents.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Ahhhh yeah, the “Media” absolutely hates the clean cut Carson Palmer. (Sarcasm)
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The media hates the Raiders and enjoys mocking us for trading two draft picks for him because the media loves the NFL Draft because it fuels the football off-season with stories and interest in their reporting and thus they tend to overvalue those picks.
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I have’nt seen themedia mocking us.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
I see eight maybe nine wins!!
An then we could be 4-12 again. Depends how u look at it.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
F out of beer. It’s moon shine time. Be prepaired for incoherant post.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Easiest schedule in the league. That might help?
March 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
F out of beer. It’s moon shine time. Be prepaired for incoherant post.
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When the hell have you ever made a COHERENT post?? Par for the course.
March 7th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
I say sweep SD,KC an best the jags,eagles,titans an jets..
Maybe dungver at home…
March 7th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
What you guys think?
March 7th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Debo troll, KK troll, sounds like Whiner fan is here.
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When all else fails the dumbass calls you a whiner fan. Lol.
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It’s not hard to tell who’s a whiners fan, first of all Raiders fans hate whiners , and then a self proclaimed Raiders fan says the Whiners have won 6 SB trophies when they actually won 5, you give it away so easily
March 7th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
F out of beer. It’s moon shine time. Be prepaired for incoherant post.
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When the hell have you ever made a COHERENT post?? Par for the course.
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JaMarcus……LMFAO
March 7th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
F out of beer. It’s moon shine time. Be prepaired for incoherant post.
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When the hell have you ever made a COHERENT post?? Par for the course.
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JaMarcus……LMFAO
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DOUBLE ROFLMFAO
March 7th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
F out of beer. It’s moon shine time. Be prepaired for incoherant post.
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When the hell have you ever made a COHERENT post?? Par for the course.
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JaMarcus……LMFAO
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DOUBLE ROFLMFAO
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Just checked back LMFAO again
March 7th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
borracho.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:07 am
FINAL SCORE Ravens 34, 49ers 31.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Take it easy on Branch, guys. This was a team player move. God bless, Tyvon!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 am
beach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Take it easy on Branch, guys. This was a team player move. God bless, Tyvon!
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Is’nt the last time in the last three four years that he did’nt lead in tackle’s? would love to sign Aso first and for most to play FS, Woodson is second on the wish list. Third switch brance4 to FS.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:04 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 7th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Debo troll, KK troll, sounds like Whiner fan is here.
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When all else fails the dumbass calls you a whiner fan. Lol.
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first of all Raiders fans hate whiners
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Not really. I consider it more of a friendly rivalry with the 9ers. My hate list is Broncos, Steelers, Cowboys, Chiefs and Chargers, with the Pats under hate review with intent to renew their contract.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:34 am
Remember when “Breaking News” meant; the Raiders sign Paul Kruger and Cullen Jenkins – you know, THAT kind of Breaking News.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:45 am
Criner is spamming twitter at 2:30 in the morning. Only good can come from this.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:02 am
Branch is one of the better safeties in the NFL.
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Retribution,
seriously? TB33 is a good “in the box” run defender and blitzer and special teams guy
he’s Gibril Wilson 2.0 or a MM34
comparing him to other Raider safeties?
I think he’s probably better than Giordano, Taylor, Schweigert, Shabazz, Eugene, Pope & Dorsett. Heck, maybe even Gibson & Anderson
Jhill, Dakota & RRS nailed it with Branch about 2 years ago. he’s dog crap in coverage. a DB that can’t cover is about as worthless as a WR that can’t catch.
TB = DHB. good teammate and he tries hard
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 am
I find it interesting that Reggie is trying to correct his mistakes..
1) Seymour. Paid him $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave
1b) now Seymour is gone, despite the big cap hit “dead money”
2) Brisiel. was his “splash” FA signing a year ago
2b) restructured contract
3) Branch. was his tagged player of choice last year, followed by long term deal making him one of the league’s highest paid safeties
3b) restructured contract
Reggie’s own contracts are still here. He inherited Seymour & McClain – who are gone.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Palmer, Huff & Kelly. BigMac inherited those contracts too, but restructured all 3 to vet minimum last year to get under the cap – like he did with Seymour, who is now back to bull rushing trees again in his backyard
I’d be surprised if DHB is retained at any amount. Like Branch, you’re kind of surprised when he makes a play. You think to yourself “was that really him??”
March 8th, 2013 at 5:41 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
It’s Aloha Friday…no work til Monday! YES!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:47 am
I’d be surprised if DHB is retained at any amount. Like Branch, you’re kind of surprised when he makes a play. You think to yourself “was that really him??”
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Blashemy Rockstar! Your own boy ‘KING DARRIUS’?? He’s hit Gibril Wilson status??
Happy Friday everyone.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:50 am
I am pretty suprised when DHB is involved in converting a crucial 3rd and 8.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:53 am
Reggie’s own contracts are still here. He inherited Seymour & McClain – who are gone.
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McClain is gone? Hurray! When did this happen? Overnight? I’m still rubbing my eyes..
March 8th, 2013 at 5:59 am
I think it was said that at the start of FA, that McClain will be released.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:59 am
I wish they would make the final decision on Slo already so I can ship my jersey off to 504 Raider.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:59 am
540.RaiderSam Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:34 am
Remember when “Breaking News” meant; the Raiders sign Paul Kruger and Cullen Jenkins – you know, THAT kind of Breaking News.
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You are aware that we can’t sign free agents until Tuesday right?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:00 am
Slo is gone on June 1st which is when they will be able to defer half of his dead money to 2014
March 8th, 2013 at 6:01 am
For those of you on Twitter, Spotrac now has a twitter account and tweets out all kinds of good contract info
March 8th, 2013 at 6:01 am
Why not just wait for the next drafted LB who will take the number 55 and use some masking tape and permanent marker over the top of it?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:02 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/report-raiders-expected-to-release-rolando-mcclain/
March 8th, 2013 at 6:03 am
Slo is gone on June 1st which is when they will be able to defer half of his dead money to 2014
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I heard John Clayton say that teams can cut two players prior to June 1st and designate the post June 1st designation for them.
Also found a link saying the same thing.
3rd paragraph
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Dead-money-disasters.html
March 8th, 2013 at 6:04 am
Clubs aren’t allowed permission to enter into contract negotiations with UFA’s until tommorow.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:07 am
jobless rate fell to 7.7 percent.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:10 am
230K job growth was great, unemployment ticked down also good.
Revisions were not good, and 100+K left the work force, also not good and helping the unemployment number tick down.
All in all though, it was a good report.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:14 am
Oblahblahblah is a hero now I guess…
March 8th, 2013 at 6:17 am
heard he was lazy and that his cohort Joe B was dumb as an ashtray. I never really thought about the IQ of ashtrays before so I dunno.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:17 am
CAREFULL BCZ..THERE IS A DRONE WITH UR NAME ON IT..
March 8th, 2013 at 6:23 am
The good thing about drone strikes, you will never know it happened.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:24 am
Blashemy Rockstar! Your own boy ‘KING DARRIUS’?? He’s hit Gibril Wilson status??
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morning GMoney!
like the Palmer Cult, i’m looking for somebody to blame other than himself. He regressed last year
blame it on injury?
drinking problem? (got a DUI last offseason)
blame it on Knapp?
Sanjay Lal > Ted Gilmore?
pick an excuse, i’m ready to roll with it.
just restructure, baby!
by the way – i didn’t compare DHB to Wilson, I compared him to Branch (even though they are basically the same player)
March 8th, 2013 at 6:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:59 am
I wish they would make the final decision on Slo already so I can ship my jersey off to 504 Raider.
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DUDE…….It SUCKS to have a closet full of “BUST” jersey’s. I bought #55 even before training camp. I thought he was sure fire beast….
I probably won’t buy another one for a long, long time. I’ve always got the trusty #75 – LONG to fall back on though.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:29 am
I didn’t think Gibril was that bad, he might have been our best safety for the past few years.
That whole thing was bizarre. Al signed him to a big contract, then cut him after one year, something he rarely does.
Gibril must have been a little too mouthy for Al’s liking.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:30 am
DUDE…….It SUCKS to have a closet full of “BUST” jersey’s. I bought #55 even before training camp. I thought he was sure fire beast….
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Don’t feel bad. I’ve been a fan over 40 years and decided that my first Raider jersery would be Carson Palmer #3. That’s worked out swell.
<<<<—- card carrying member of the Golden Haired Hero until they cut him.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:30 am
My last jerseys I have bought for myself were Slo, Jamarcus, Sapp, Moss, C-Wood (only good one) and Jeff George.
I am worrying I applied the curse to D-Moore as well, when I bought my wife a white #17 for 2011 X-Mas.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:31 am
What do you guys call it? a “carson cult”?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:31 am
GOOD MORNING !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
Happy Frikoing Friday !!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:32 am
THAT MIDGIT IN NORTH KOREA IS GONNA SEND A FEW ICBM’S OUR WAY ANYHOW..ORANGE HAIR 4 EVERYBODY.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:33 am
I hear Jared Veldheer is giving away #68 jersey to his twitter retweeters. I’d love to put in an entry but my twitter account is strictly a ghost account.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:33 am
Maybe Obumski sent Rodman over to do some espionage?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:36 am
I got a nephew over in Korea right now, training on controlled ordinance explosions, like the movie “Hurt Locker”. He’s young out of high school, never hurt a fly in his life. I worry about him. That’s a really “hot spot” in the globe and has been for some time.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:37 am
to be young, muscular, full head of hair, and naive.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:40 am
CAN U CALL IN A DRONE STRIKE WITH AN IPHONE ??
March 8th, 2013 at 6:45 am
guest123 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:31 am
What do you guys call it? a “carson cult”?
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A cult of high intelligence.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:47 am
I didn’t think Gibril was that bad, he might have been our best safety for the past few years.
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@JFB
Wilson > Branch?
Ouch!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:48 am
Guest,
Glass is raised for your Nephew. I was a military “Brat” that grew up to join the Marine Corps. Right now, little brother is in the Army preparing to deploy to either Afghanistan or Syria next month.
We all worry but……..Tis the life we chose. I feel that ALL service people are my extended family.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:49 am
Look in my eyes, what do you see? A Cult of Carson Palmer 3…
Ok, sorry…hey, it’s friggen Friday!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:49 am
567. Clearly cursed
March 8th, 2013 at 6:52 am
Salute to you Ghost79 and your bro for your service to your country. Those that serve are in my prayers everyday.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:52 am
Look in my eyes, what do you see? A Cult of Carson Palmer 3…
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ROFL Hwnrdr!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 am
I like keeping Palmer around for his veteren mentoring of TP.
It sounds like M. Hasslebeck is going to be released.
He would likely sign for cheap and be a great resource for any young QB on our roster.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 am
*veteran
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:31 am
GOOD MORNING !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
Happy Frikoing Friday !!
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in the words of the great GreenParty President DMAC..
well then fuk you guys on this sunny morning in
beautiful Southern Maryland !!!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 am
I just got a bonus check out of the blue for no ryhme or reason. A raise would have been nicer, but I’m not going to complain about found money!
happy Friday all.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:55 am
lol MIKE
March 8th, 2013 at 6:55 am
I was hoping someone would be able to drum up a “Cult of personality” play on it.
Well done Hwn!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:56 am
Thanks Guest,
And on that note, Happy Friday to all…. Hopefully we see some more restructures today or some other moves.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:56 am
hwnrdr Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:49 am
Look in my eyes, what do you see? A Cult of Carson Palmer 3…
Ok, sorry…hey, it’s friggen Friday!!!
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lol lol lol.. wont be able to listen to
this song without thinking of this !!!! lol lol
March 8th, 2013 at 6:57 am
cult of car…son palm….er….THREE
a cult of car…son palm….er….THREE
a cult of car…son palm….er….THREE!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:58 am
hopefully we stop seeing restructures and we start seeing some out right pay cuts.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:02 am
I like keeping Palmer around for his veteran mentoring of TP.
It sounds like M. Hasslebeck is going to be released.
He would likely sign for cheap and be a great resource for any young QB on our roster.
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HB,
you can’t find a vet mentor cheaper than $13 mil ??
If Mark Davis hires Holmgren, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see Hasselbeck signed as a Palmer replacement & Pryor mentor
why are all the free agent vet QB’s named Matt?
Hasselbeck, Moore & Cassel
March 8th, 2013 at 7:02 am
586.guest123 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 am
I just got a bonus check out of the blue for no ryhme or reason. A raise would have been nicer, but I’m not going to complain about found money!
happy Friday all.
Congrats! Got one last week…unfortunately, it went to my car
March 8th, 2013 at 7:04 am
why are all the free agent vet QB’s named Matt?
Hasselbeck, Moore & Cassel
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Moore is no longer a FA
March 8th, 2013 at 7:06 am
LOL…yeah, when that Palmer Cult thing came out, I thought of Living Color. Just didn’t post it…til now!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:07 am
Congrats! Got one last week…unfortunately, it went to my car
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I know how you feel. My bonus check will be spent before I can even touch it. It’s basically an extra two week check, but I have plenty of choices for what to pay off/down.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:07 am
The last jersey I bought was Lamarr Houston. It is frustrating as hell to even consider buying jersey’s. I do want a Seabass jersey though.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Branch is much better than Wilson was; problem is our safeties have to make double digit tackles every other game.
We need Wheeler resigned and better linebackers, at least two.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:09 am
My next jersey will be a custom 50, with Hawaiian on the back! I really wish Humuhumunukunukuapua’a would have fit, but I can just see people at the tailgates stopping me and asking, huh?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:10 am
you can’t find a vet mentor cheaper than $13 mil ??
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for that matter why pay even a vet minimum guy let alone 3 QB assistants to ramp up TP’s game?
not how it’s done anymore. look at the playoffs last year, half of the starting QB’s were rookies or 2nd year players. learning curve is much faster than before. teams don’t sit around and wait to develop QB’s over 4 or 5 years anymore. It’s sink or swim. No wet nurses need apply!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Congrats! Got one last week…unfortunately, it went to my car
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Mine was mostly gone before I got it as well.
Replaced the windshield and mirror on the ride, another year of pet insurance, a new buffet thing, and let my wife buy some “Miss Me” jeans ($140).
The rest went to some softball gear and the slot machines, lol.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:12 am
I got my annual bonus last Friday. I did well this year, only missed to of my metrics, and I lost my saftey bonus because one of my moron temp drivers backed into a tree. By bonus was 30% of my salary so I am floating on cloud 9 still.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Mine is going to a nice a down payment on a new(er), pay off the credit card before the interest kicks in next month, and I am looking to get a new tv, but that probably wont be for another few months. I want to sell my old one first. The rest will just sit in the bank all year. I want to get out to Oakland for a game this year too, and I will definitely be going to both in NY.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:17 am
Still All Palmer All Day?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Nice, Bcz…hey remember, if you ever come out here for a game…give us a holla!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am
The rest will just sit in the bank all year.
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PUt it to work for you man!!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am
ALWAYS BEEN 00 JERSEY FOR ME.CONSIDERING 16 BLANDA THOUGH..RAIDER IMAGE GIFT CARDS NEED TO BE CASHED IN.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:21 am
608.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am
ALWAYS BEEN 00 JERSEY FOR ME.CONSIDERING 16 BLANDA THOUGH..RAIDER IMAGE GIFT CARDS NEED TO BE CASHED IN.
I know, me too! Still gotta get out to Concord!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:28 am
You mean like stocks and sh1t JFB? I am always leary about that stuff. I dont even participate in the employee stock purchase plan at work where I get a pretty sick discount of our own stock. Got some tips?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:29 am
The rest will just sit in the bank all year.
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PUt it to work for you man!!!!
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I wish I could follow this advice. Still have a cushion in my bank acct making virtually nothing despite my IRA performing @ 9.63% over the last 12 months. I’m just too risk adverse for my own good.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:31 am
He throws a touchdown….to DHB…..
Cult of Carson Palmer 3.
No interceptions……will you seeeeeeee….
It’s the Cult of Carson Palmer 3.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am
The rest will just sit in the bank all year.
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PUt it to work for you man!!!!
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?? buy a hooker ??
March 8th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Got some tips?
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Not on a public forum for specific investments, compliance, but everyone under 50 should be socking money into a ROTH IRA.
Taxes go up in the future, you want that non-taxable money at retirement.
Got to participate in the stock options though man!! There is usually all kinds of matches or discount on share price, etc.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:33 am
Sources are saying that the Broncos are targeting CB/S Charles Woodson and RB Steven Jackson in order to push for a SB in Manning’s closing window.
Steven Jackson has cited Denver as his top choice, along with GB, NE and Pitt….as long as the money is close to what he wants.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:34 am
612.DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:31 am
He throws a touchdown….to DHB…..
Cult of Carson Palmer 3.
No interceptions……will you seeeeeeee….
It’s the Cult of Carson Palmer 3.
Nice follow up!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:35 am
Look on the field, what do you see….
Another first and goal turning into 3
Cult of Carson Palmer 3
March 8th, 2013 at 7:40 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am
The rest will just sit in the bank all year.
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PUt it to work for you man!!!!
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?? buy a hooker ??
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You can buy them? I thought it was rent only.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:40 am
618.Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:40 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:18 am
The rest will just sit in the bank all year.
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PUt it to work for you man!!!!
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?? buy a hooker ??
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You can buy them? I thought it was rent only.
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In Jordan they call it “marriage”.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:42 am
He’s a par-i -ah to JFB….
Cult of Carson Palmer 3…
…but he’s a hero…..to you and meeeeeeee..
Cult of Carson Palmer 3.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Guest123 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:29 am
The rest will just sit in the bank all year.
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PUt it to work for you man!!!!
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I wish I could follow this advice. Still have a cushion in my bank acct making virtually nothing despite my IRA performing @ 9.63% over the last 12 months. I’m just too risk adverse for my own good.
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You people are funny. You think 10% return is great.
You should consider better investments like income property, used cars, etc…
Anything less than 20% is not for me.
That’s a return of 10K/ year for every 100K invested. That’s less than 1K/ month. Your 100K investment generates less than 1k/ month in revenue and you are happy? Don’t forget the risk with that 10%.
You people…..
March 8th, 2013 at 7:45 am
ROFL White Devil.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:45 am
617.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:35 am
Look on the field, what do you see….
Another first and goal turning into 3
Cult of Carson Palmer 3
LMAO!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 am
I find it interesting that Reggie is trying to correct his mistakes..
1) Seymour. Paid him $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave
1b) now Seymour is gone, despite the big cap hit “dead money”
2) Brisiel. was his “splash” FA signing a year ago
2b) restructured contract
3) Branch. was his tagged player of choice last year, followed by long term deal making him one of the league’s highest paid safeties
3b) restructured contract
Reggie’s own contracts are still here. He inherited Seymour & McClain – who are gone.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Palmer, Huff & Kelly. BigMac inherited those contracts too, but restructured all 3 to vet minimum last year to get under the cap – like he did with Seymour, who is now back to bull rushing trees again in his backyard
I’d be surprised if DHB is retained at any amount. Like Branch, you’re kind of surprised when he makes a play. You think to yourself “was that really him??”
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Mistakes?
Is Branch a mistake. He is an above average saftey paid about right?
Agree that Brissell and Seymour were mistakes (still do not get those deals nor restructuring Brissell at this point).
His biggest mistake so far was not doing due diigence on Knapp and giving green light to DA to hire him. Normally a GM should let a coach hire whoever he wants but not a new coach that is a DC hiring an OC that he will probably want to delegate the offense to.
Is restructuring players to vet minimum to get under cap last year a mistake? He actually saved more against cap by restructuring Palmer than cutting him! It kind of gives you an idea what he is up againts but I guess those are excuses in your mind. I am not accusing you of saying it was a mistake just you put it out there as a possibility. He had very limited choices with the cap siutation he inherited.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:47 am
10% is good when you have $1 million + invested and minimal risk.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:48 am
I am betting DHB is retained after hearing he is working on restructuring TK. But it will involved a cut. If we are asking Palmer to cut maybe we should have McFadden cut his pay – he sucked last year.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:50 am
RaiderO,
Are you the financial advisor for Vince Young and Curt Schilling?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:52 am
but everyone under 50 should be socking money into a ROTH IRA.
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On top of my 401k??
March 8th, 2013 at 7:52 am
ANOTHER asteroid coming close to Earth in the next couple of days….was just discovered last Sunday.
A comet is also nearing us.
WTF is going on? Maybe these doomsday preppers are on to something?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:54 am
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:50 am
RaiderO,
Are you the financial advisor for Vince Young and Curt Schilling?
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LOL
I know bro. We minorities are not as smart as the white man.
He knows more about investments and tax shields.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Reggie could cut ppl. Taken the hit last yr and this one.. totally reversed our cap situation… it looks like a bunch of restructures in more much more dead money down the road
March 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:52 am
ANOTHER asteroid coming close to Earth in the next couple of days….was just discovered last Sunday.
A comet is also nearing us.
WTF is going on? Maybe these doomsday preppers are on to something?
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Or maybe it’s ALWAYS been going on, and we’re just getting better at detecting them.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Id rather rubild for a yr or 2 than 6
March 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am
630.Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:54 am
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:50 am
RaiderO,
Are you the financial advisor for Vince Young and Curt Schilling?
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LOL
I know bro. We minorities are not as smart as the white man.
He knows more about investments and tax shields.
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That’s not it…..we just used swords and then gun powder more efficiently.
Now things are evening out.
Be kind to this cracker when you take over okay?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am
I’d like to set up a ROTH IRA on top of my 401K, but I’m already 14% off the top to my 401K, and now I gotta be thinking about setting up a 529 plan for my kids college expenses. Can’t have everything!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am
When I think back and relive what Branch did last yr. all I see is him turning around and throwing up his arms saying “WTH was that?” after another hapless receiver dances into the end zone. Not his fault necessarily.
I also see that dive down, one armed sweep attempted tackle, whiff thing he does.
I wish I had a different visual I could share.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:58 am
If you can make 10% annually, you are beating out everyone not named Berkshire Hathaway.
Pension funds, hedge funds, those guys running it would offer up their offspring to Carl Peterson for 10% annually.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:59 am
You can use your ROTH as an alternative to the 529 plan.
Principal goes to the kids college, interest goes to your retirement.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:59 am
636.DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am
When I think back and relive what Branch did last yr. all I see is him turning around and throwing up his arms saying “WTH was that?” after another hapless receiver dances into the end zone. Not his fault necessarily.
I also see that dive down, one armed sweep attempted tackle, whiff thing he does.
I wish I had a different visual I could share.
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Hey, he makes a lot of tackles 7-10 yards down field too…..that is what you want from a safety right? Oh wait, that is what Gabril Wilson gave us…..so why is this guy paid like Troy Pooopaloopa and Ed Reed again?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:00 am
Yeah I only put in 4% to my 401k. Wish I could get up to 14% that would be awesome
March 8th, 2013 at 8:00 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/for-matt-moore-8-million-reasons-to-be-a-backup/
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Wow! We better have Garrard on speed dial. Why would Miami pay that much?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:02 am
Debo still going to bat for Garrad, lol.
It’s going to be hard for him to play with that giant fork sticking out of his back.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:02 am
Be kind to this cracker when you take over okay?
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You are one of my favorite crackers. Don’t worry WD, and I forgive you for your crimes against humanity especially minorities. If I were you, I will worry more about Mistic taking over.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Not Rod Streeter, nor DHB, could catch a pass from CP3
An interception, by the other team…
Ohhh…I’m … the …cult…of…
Ok, I will stop!
March 8th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:58 am
If you can make 10% annually, you are beating out everyone not named Berkshire Hathaway.
Pension funds, hedge funds, those guys running it would offer up their offspring to Carl Peterson for 10% annually.
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I know bro. I studied finance.
Like I said, 10% is not for me.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:04 am
?? so i guess buying scratch lottery tickets isnt a retirement plan ??
March 8th, 2013 at 8:06 am
You can use your ROTH as an alternative to the 529 plan.
Principal goes to the kids college, interest goes to your retirement.
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Here in Florida, and I’m not sure if it’s different than other states, we have the Florida only plan. Basically locks down future tuition in today’s dollars. But I’m worried that I’m not sure if I even want to stay in the state of Florida when my kids are college aged. The 529 plan seems more flexible.
In a ROTH, I can withdraw for my kids college expenses pre-retirement without penalties?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:06 am
About 13 hours until free agency begins. About to find out if we’re even competitive for second place in the West..
March 8th, 2013 at 8:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:02 am
Debo still going to bat for Garrad, lol.
It’s going to be hard for him to play with that giant fork sticking out of his back.
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Was good enough to beat out Moore and Tannehill before the knee scope, fork and all. With Moore gone, he’s probably the best FA QB left out there.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:08 am
know bro. I studied finance.
Like I said, 10% is not for me.
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used cars, investment property, etc. are all what I consider “active” investments. yes, you can make 20 percent or more, but it takes some work.
I’m asking about passive investments with ROI’s around 10 percent, which would be awesome imo.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Free agency begins on Tuesday.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:08 am
is cp restructured yet? kelly? dhb? come on Chubby!
March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Yes we all know how Garrard beat out Moore and Tannehill in shorts through 3 days of Hard Knocks filming… yawn.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am
well if i cant retire on scratch tickets, guess i
should go back to selling weed !!
March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Cp “not sure what’s going to happen. Would love to be back in Oakland and compete.”
March 8th, 2013 at 8:11 am
You can buy an apt complex in Ohio for around 100K (8-10 1bd units).
What do you think is the avg annual return?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:11 am
with the new rules totally disregarding tampering, free agency essentially starts in 13 hours Reggie better get on the ball or deals will get done before free agency really officially starts.. this is why everyone is frantically signing the free agents, everyone but us anyways.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:11 am
In a ROTH, I can withdraw for my kids college expenses pre-retirement without penalties?
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Principle can be withdrawn at anytime, no penalties no taxes. Interest has to stay until 59.5.
529 plans work best when the kid goes to an accredited university. Any of that changes, and it has no flexibility.
And every state has ONE state sponsored plan/company for 529’s. Don’t like that outfit, you are SOL.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:11 am
well if i cant retire on scratch tickets, guess i
should go back to selling weed !!
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lol Mike, that you could do. I got $20 a month set aside for an office pool that goes to Powerball Lotto numbers. A regular expense like the coffee fund, even though I stopped drinking the nasty stuff at work anymore.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:12 am
Yeah, when did Garrard beat anyone out last year?
He didn’t even play in the preseason.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:12 am
Everyones resigning their fa’s… phone
March 8th, 2013 at 8:12 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:57 am
When I think back and relive what Branch did last yr. all I see is him turning around and throwing up his arms saying “WTH was that?” after another hapless receiver dances into the end zone. Not his fault necessarily.
I also see that dive down, one armed sweep attempted tackle, whiff thing he does.
I wish I had a different visual I could share.
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Last year was his least productive year, I’ll give you that. But his first few years, he was actually a bright spot on our D. He definatly had the most “Hustle” out of our guys. He WAS a sure tackler….
My image of him is….
SD Tight End “Maleuna” (Whatever it is) catching a flat pass, and Branch closing….Then Hammering him. 200 lbs met 280 lbs and pick him up off his feet and drove him backward into the dirt.
I see a receiver streaking down the sideline for the “Go Ahead” Touchdown, and Branch in hot pursuit from across the field and bouncing him out of bounds at the 2 yd line. Defense holds them to 3 points.
I can’t let a sub par year over shadow the “GOOD” that he brought to this CRAPPY defense. He was the Top Free Agent safety last year if I remember correctly.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:06 am
About 13 hours until free agency begins. About to find out if we’re even competitive for second place in the West..
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What the hey. Compete for second place? You’re a bit optimistic. We will be lucky to compete for 4th place.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Thanks for the info JFB.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:30 am
My last jerseys I have bought for myself were Slo, Jamarcus, Sapp, Moss, C-Wood (only good one) and Jeff George.
I am worrying I applied the curse to D-Moore as well, when I bought my wife a white #17 for 2011 X-Mas.
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Do not buy a no 6 jersey…..Never ever consider it.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am
wow, Matt Moore got 2-years $8 million
too bad he didn’t test the waters in FA.
Maybe he feels he’ll be able to beat out Tannehill, but not Pryor?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:00 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/for-matt-moore-8-million-reasons-to-be-a-backup/
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Wow! We better have Garrard on speed dial. Why would Miami pay that much?
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that puts alotta pressure on tannehill who did much better than most expected him to do. bad move by miami in my opinion
March 8th, 2013 at 8:18 am
branch is not a top free agent safety any yr. He’s not that good. Bad deal.. that’s why it’s already been restricted less than a year later.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:19 am
restructured a year later phone. listen closely turd
March 8th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:18 am
branch is not a top free agent safety any yr. He’s not that good. Bad deal.. that’s why it’s already been restricted less than a year later.
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I thought, before he got tagged last offseason that he was projected to be the top FA Safety prospect?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:20 am
oh I know we’re competing for last place. I’ve already stated Reggie needs to have the best offseason in the history of the NFL for us to make the playoffs this year.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Hard to understand the hard line against Garrard. The guy was pretty good for Jacksonville, even without a whole lot of weapons outside. That team has gone down in flames without him. Would be a solid mentor type to our new starter TP, but I’d feel very confident if he had to play. What’s the problem?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:22 am
I mean cork thinks he’s a top safety in the NFL.. maybe that’s why you thought he was a top free agent..
March 8th, 2013 at 8:22 am
wow, Matt Moore got 2-years $8 million
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wow indeed. Good money for a confirmed backup spot. Glo took a 1 year $3 mill deal a year ago and is on the street looking for work now.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am
wow, Matt Moore got 2-years $8 million
too bad he didn’t test the waters in FA.
Maybe he feels he’ll be able to beat out Tannehill, but not Pryor?
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You should be pissed. The likelihood of a JaMarcus bidding war just went through the roof! Stay tuned.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Branch is not a top safety – based on what?
Marks Hairs opinion. Look around at the various rating sites he is above average.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:25 am
I mean branch is fast. And he takes fewer bad angles than huff I guess, but I wouldn’t call him above average.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 am
wow, Matt Moore got 2-years $8 million
too bad he didn’t test the waters in FA.
Maybe he feels he’ll be able to beat out Tannehill, but not Pryor?
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Yea sure that was in the front of his mind I am sure! You guys are so miopic! It couldn’t be he likes the coaches and is settled in at Maimi. No, it is that he fears an untested QB on a team he probably would not even sign with. Wow I hope your post was sarcasm.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Looks like Michael Bennett will not be returning with the Bucs! I wouldn’t mind bringing him in…shoot, he had 9 sacks last year!! Isn’t that more than our whole D??
March 8th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Legal tempering period starts at midnite.. should generate some news
March 8th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Look Mark’s Hair, I understand you don’t like him but you are not one of the 31 other GMs – word around the league is he is one of the better safeties and would be a hot commodity if he ever became a FA. That was what was being said when he was Tagged last year and this year showed me nothing to change that opinion.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Michael Bennett does not want to be an Oakland Raider. He wants to be paid for those sacks last year in Tampa. Never mind that the Bucs defense was horrible. That Bennett was unwilling to defend the run. Those sack numbers mean a megabucks payday.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Debo
If you want to understand the hesitation with Garrard, magically turn his skin white and look at his stats then I think you will get the picture.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:36 am
guest123 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:22 am
wow, Matt Moore got 2-years $8 million
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wow indeed. Good money for a confirmed backup spot. Glo took a 1 year $3 mill deal a year ago and is on the street looking for work now.
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if cp is cut, sign campbell for cheap, good soldier/chemistry with the team already
March 8th, 2013 at 8:36 am
Your opinion.. my opinion is branch doesn’t make big plays Weather by turnovers, knock downs or big tackles for stops.. like you said he chases guys down for behind because of the speed, that’s nice but… the only camera time he gets is the back of his jersey chasing a guy towards the end zone.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:39 am
His biggest mistake so far was not doing due diigence on Knapp and giving green light to DA to hire him. Normally a GM should let a coach hire whoever he wants but not a new coach that is a DC hiring an OC that he will probably want to delegate the offense to.
Is restructuring players to vet minimum to get under cap last year a mistake? He actually saved more against cap by restructuring Palmer than cutting him! It kind of gives you an idea what he is up againts but I guess those are excuses in your mind. I am not accusing you of saying it was a mistake just you put it out there as a possibility. He had very limited choices with the cap siutation he inherited.
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AW,
We disagree on Knapp. Pretty sure you know where I stand on that. the owner or gm SHOULD NOT mandate Dennis Allen (or any HC) certain hires, be it position coaches or coordinators. Those days of being a dysfunctional organization are gone. They died with Al
the Knapp hire? that’s on Dennis
No – restructuring players last year was not a mistake. Reggie didn’t have a choice. I was simply pointing out that Seymour was one of the 4 and he’s gone. Now the other 3 are rumored to either be restructured again or gone. Makes me wonder if he’ll do to them what he did to DickSey.
I know what a mess BigMac inherited and the only things I hold him accountable for are the things done under his watch (Seymour/Branch/Brisiel) plus the hiring of DA … he fixed the player mistakes he made, time will tell with Golden Boy
March 8th, 2013 at 8:40 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Debo
If you want to understand the hesitation with Garrard, magically turn his skin white and look at his stats then I think you will get the picture.
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Not turning his skin white, but here’s the stats. Not too shabby. I repeat, why the hard line against him?
TD-INT 89–54
Passing yards 16,003
Passer rating 85.8
Rushing attempts 380
Rushing yards 1,746
Rushing TDs 17
Stats at NFL.com
March 8th, 2013 at 8:40 am
it doesn’t seem to be enough top free agents to go around this year. And since we’re not going over pay on a free agent market for a big name guy I think we can expect some more brisels and 1yr injury guy fa’s..
March 8th, 2013 at 8:42 am
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if cp is cut, sign campbell for cheap, good soldier/chemistry with the team already
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Bingo
He is really our best option if Palmer is cut unless we draft a QB (which is a bad idea at least in 1st round). Its roll the dice time if this happens and hope Pryor comes up lucky 7’s.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:43 am
da didn’t have the balls to mandate more power scheme in the running game, giving taiwan run at rb, and giving pryor run at qb was the biggest gaffe. but more than anything, the guy doesn’t seem to have any fire about him
March 8th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Stats arent bad. If he was already a raider most of the people here would love him to death and defend him to the end of the world no matter what he does.. but gerard as a fa? Meh
March 8th, 2013 at 8:44 am
672.RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Hard to understand the hard line against Garrard. The guy was pretty good for Jacksonville, even without a whole lot of weapons outside. That team has gone down in flames without him. Would be a solid mentor type to our new starter TP, but I’d feel very confident if he had to play. What’s the problem?
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I liked Garrard in Jax, but he is just too beat up for anyone to have a lot of faith in him.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Debo
Look at last couple of years before he got hurt, there was a regression in stats. Campbell is actually a better option even though he did a bad job last year in Chi. coming in for Cutler.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:45 am
giving taiwan run at rb
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Based on what? What has the guy ever done besides get tackled behind the los and get hurt immediately. You know your boy Hue didnt give him a shot either.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:40 am
it doesn’t seem to be enough top free agents to go around this year. And since we’re not going over pay on a free agent market for a big name guy I think we can expect some more brisels and 1yr injury guy fa’s..
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really? i’m surprised how many big name guys have been cut already
March 8th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Earlier in Carreer I would have liked Gerard as well.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Marks Hair is correct. Many of you Raider fans are just stat geeks that go by amount of tackles or some article you read from PFF, which you think is gospel.
TB33 sucks in coverage. plus he’s not a playmaker
He is the defensive version of Heyward-Bey
he’s a good teammate and he tries hard. he’s a decent “in the box” run defender and he’s a good special teamer & safety blitz guy
worth top safety money? heck no!!
re-sign Missile Mike for vet minimum and give him the same opportunity. I’m willing to bet you get the same results because they have the same skill set
March 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am
bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:45 am
giving taiwan run at rb
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Based on what? What has the guy ever done besides get tackled behind the los and get hurt immediately. You know your boy Hue didnt give him a shot either.
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the only thing me or you saw or heard about was preseason. and although the allknowing knapp said he couldn’t get the exchange right, in preseason he looked good, twitter updates told that he broke some big gainers, and carson was excited to see what taiwan would do when dmac went down because of what he did in practice. and although he was from dII he lit it up in college
March 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Not giving a 4th round RB a long look is not a big mistake espeically if he has ball security problems. People are just nit picking DA to death on this site. Fault him for Knapp for sure but come on. Moving him to CB to allow him to continue to be an outstanding ST player for cheap is actually really smart and commendable.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am
pass on David Garrard (can anybody spell his name right?)
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/07/david-garrard-would-love-another-chance-in-miami/
March 8th, 2013 at 8:51 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am
well if i cant retire on scratch tickets, guess i
should go back to selling weed !!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You, me, DMAC, and J should open a dispensary.
The Green Party Dispensary.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:51 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Marks Hair is correct. Many of you Raider fans are just stat geeks that go by amount of tackles or some article you read from PFF, which you think is gospel.
TB33 sucks in coverage. plus he’s not a playmaker
He is the defensive version of Heyward-Bey
he’s a good teammate and he tries hard. he’s a decent “in the box” run defender and he’s a good special teamer & safety blitz guy
worth top safety money? heck no!!
re-sign Missile Mike for vet minimum and give him the same opportunity. I’m willing to bet you get the same results because they have the same skill set
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i agree too many people rely on stats too much. example i have optimism about pryor and although his college stats say high comp %, didn’t look accurate in college to me. and branch got burned in coverage lots of times but in his defense, how many ss can cover?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Rockstar arent you the guy who just said Moore might of stayed in Maimi because he was afraid of Pryor. Look take some meds and make some decent posts. TB33 is known to be a decent Safety. Sorry. Maybe all the scouts etc are wrong and you are right but that is the way it is. Once again picking on the non problem issues. Slam Plamer slam Branch nothing about the right side of OL, McFadden and run game, lack of sacks and on and on we go.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:53 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Debo
Look at last couple of years before he got hurt, there was a regression in stats. Campbell is actually a better option even though he did a bad job last year in Chi. coming in for Cutler.
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He played well his last year there. Kicked our ass, that’s for sure. Anyway, I’m not saying he should come here to be the Day 1 starter. I want to see Pryor. He seemed like he would handle that job well from what I saw on Hard Knocks and he has plenty of experience as a backup already. Wouldn’t be asking for tons of money either. Wants a chance to revive his career. A no brainer in my book. I doubt Campbell would ever come back here.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:54 am
yeah – I’d rather just try TJones at CB than cut him!
might be our 5th CB, but usually your 4th & 5th CB’s have to be excellent special teamers to crack the 53
now if Taiwan gets beat out by some undrafted kid, so be it. but at least the man gets an opportunity
March 8th, 2013 at 8:54 am
you can’t believe with DA says about players. He said the same things about pryor that he’s saying about tiwan. that he couldn’t come in the game and take a snap or make a Pass or hand off football.. then, after finally getting a chance to practice finally getting a chance to play tp looks like any other backup quarterback. ridiculous..
March 8th, 2013 at 8:55 am
I think the best thing they could do is move Branch to FS, keep Huff at CB and bring in a legit SS
March 8th, 2013 at 8:56 am
Branch is grossly overpaid. Anyone that thinks otherwise is drunk off the kool aid.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:57 am
Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:51 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:09 am
well if i cant retire on scratch tickets, guess i
should go back to selling weed !!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You, me, DMAC, and J should open a dispensary.
The Green Party Dispensary.
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lol lol.. with that crew, i think we would smoke up all of the profits !!!
March 8th, 2013 at 8:57 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Not giving a 4th round RB a long look is not a big mistake espeically if he has ball security problems. People are just nit picking DA to death on this site. Fault him for Knapp for sure but come on. Moving him to CB to allow him to continue to be an outstanding ST player for cheap is actually really smart and commendable.
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don’t know how you feel about pryor, but he definitely did better than i imagined v s diego, so why wasn’t he allowed to play sooner? Giving him 3 or 4 starts would have made the cp decision much easier one way or another. And who’s to say given the chance in an actual game, taiwan wouldn’t have succeeded at rb, i mean it seems to me he didn’t think pryor was gna succeed or he would have given him more run, right?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:54 am
you can’t believe with DA says about players. He said the same things about pryor that he’s saying about tiwan.
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DA = is a proven liar. Will never believe or trust ANYTHING he says.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Branch is a solid safety but he is not worth that salary.
Reggie restructuring a contract he did last year? Not a good sign IMO.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:59 am
branch and Palmer work retard pics so opinions on their contracts were given. If you wanna talk McFadden or the O line just bring it up I’ll slam my opinion down. McFaddens way overpaid and he should get paid by the yard. Glassboy. And the o-line is a hot mess. everybody knows that. Glad we got sporano
March 8th, 2013 at 9:00 am
LOL ODB.
Our profits and investment, but we will have a great time.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:00 am
lol branch and Palmer were topics so opinions on them were given. Lol
March 8th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Look take some meds and make some decent posts
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first sign of defeat, AW
I had a lot of respect for you, before this. It’s clear that you ran out of material when you resort to this sort of immaturity and childishness
by the way – everybody knows how I feel about the run game, O-Line and pass rushing situations. I’ve been pretty vocal about all 3 areas
March 8th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Branch is grossly overpaid. Anyone that thinks otherwise is drunk off the kool aid.
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You could say that about every player on the team. DMac is one of the most grossly overpaid players around, but he gets a pass. If you hate a guy because of his paycheck than at least be consistant.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:01 am
DA = is a proven liar. Will never believe or trust ANYTHING he says.
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Show me a coach who isn’t
March 8th, 2013 at 9:02 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/jaguars-will-release-dawan-landry-today/
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I’ve always liked this guy.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:02 am
DA= wishy washy titty monkey who smiles after losses
March 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Marks Hair
The reality is TP did look shakey at times when he came in preseason. I think he is improving. DA said he was improving and the lastest is that he showed us enought to feel comfortable handing over the offense to him if something happens. He said he had control over the huddle and was impressed. Now here is the current problem – why is he throwing lollypops! Even Pryor himself acknowledge this and is working on it. Why can’t people understand that rushing Pryor out too fast may not be a great idea.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Reggie restructuring a contract he did last year? Not a good sign IMO.
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Why not? It isn’t a punishment to get restructured. It moves money around to help with cap space. Or do you think Tom Brady’s restructure signifies he isn’t very good…
March 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Well there are many, MANY folks that think their “Opinion” IS Gospel too….
Over the last 3 years, I can’t think of a better player on our Defense. Lots of guys flashed and disappeared throughout that time.
That’s not saying much either. Defense has been garbage over all…..
March 8th, 2013 at 9:04 am
branch and Palmer were topics so opinions on them were given
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exactly!
change the topic = get an opinion on that one instead
doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out
March 8th, 2013 at 9:05 am
You could say that about every player on the team
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@ Bcz
Veldheer?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Reggie restructuring a contract he did last year? Not a good sign IMO.
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Why not? It isn’t a punishment to get restructured. It moves money around to help with cap space. Or do you think Tom Brady’s restructure signifies he isn’t very good…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So it’s ok for Reggie to restructure after one year, but with Al it was a problem and contributed to our cap issues today?
LOL at you people.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/panthers-cut-chris-gamble/
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And him. Big day for cuts. I wonder if this is the day Palmer gets chopped?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Branch is grossly overpaid. Anyone that thinks otherwise is drunk off the kool aid.
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You could say that about every player on the team. DMac is one of the most grossly overpaid players around, but he gets a pass. If you hate a guy because of his paycheck than at least be consistant.
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The topic was Branch. Yes, DMAC is overpaid. Same with Kelly, DHB, Palmer, McClain, etc. I don’t hate anyone for being overpaid. Can’t fault them for getting what they can. I can fault the person signing off on these contracts though. Al had his share of blame, but we were supposed to be done with that with Reggie. That’s what many in here proclaimed, right? Whippee! No more out of whack contracts! That’s what many said.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:08 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Marks Hair
The reality is TP did look shakey at times when he came in preseason. I think he is improving. DA said he was improving and the lastest is that he showed us enought to feel comfortable handing over the offense to him if something happens. He said he had control over the huddle and was impressed. Now here is the current problem – why is he throwing lollypops! Even Pryor himself acknowledge this and is working on it. Why can’t people understand that rushing Pryor out too fast may not be a great idea.
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since when is DA’s word the gospel? and when we’re out of the playoff race, why not let your young players play in live game situations?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:08 am
O,
restructure = kicking the can further down the road
I get what you’re saying. Your heart is in the right place
Bcz has got Reggie’s back, like we all should!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:02 am
DA= wishy washy titty monkey who smiles after losses
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hahaha
March 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am
The paper reported that Branch added two big years of contract money in 2016 and 2017. Branch signed an extension last year. While the move helps Oakland now, the Raiders need to be careful and not to do too many of these type of deals. These are the type of deals that get teams in cap trouble down the road. But it was necessary to help the team this year.
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Interesting. Weren’t we supposed to be done with this sort of thing?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am
The topic was Branch. Yes, DMAC is overpaid. Same with Kelly, DHB, Palmer, McClain, etc. I don’t hate anyone for being overpaid. Can’t fault them for getting what they can. I can fault the person signing off on these contracts though. Al had his share of blame, but we were supposed to be done with that with Reggie. That’s what many in here proclaimed, right? Whippee! No more out of whack contracts! That’s what many said.
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@Banana
you’re right. Branch sucks. That’s on Reggie
#rookieGMmistake
I still love me some BigMac
March 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am
721.. you completely missed my point I’m not saying TP is ready I have no idea because DA refused to play him down the stretch last year. my point in the post your responding to was more about how DA is a proven liar as O poeticly put it… I’m just glad he changed his tune about sticking to the plan with the zone blocking and the West Coast offense and the we don’t need it custom fit our system to our players bs was preaching last year..
March 8th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Branch is not grossly overpaid. When he was up for FA he was ranked in the top 20 cover safeties (out of 64 starters) in one list and ranked consistently above average in other lists. Much of the chatter was he would be able to sign a big FA deal on the open market.
Again he is not over paid nor is he a problem. He is a core player like Lamar Houston, JV, Wiz or even Burris is developing to be.
But lets keep talking about him and ignore the bad line play on both sides McFaddens year off and the fact we do not have a #1 WR or a TE that can block. Maybe we can change the subject to Plamer sucks or DA is a big fat liar.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am
RR,
I don’t get it.
People complained about Al giving big contracts to average players, and then restructuring these contacts which contributed to our cap issues today, but its OK that our inexperienced GM with no SB wins is doing it?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Interesting. Weren’t we supposed to be done with this sort of thing?
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The two extra years are non-guaranteed, so no biggie.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am
The topic was Branch. Yes, DMAC is overpaid. Same with Kelly, DHB, Palmer, McClain, etc. I don’t hate anyone for being overpaid. Can’t fault them for getting what they can. I can fault the person signing off on these contracts though. Al had his share of blame, but we were supposed to be done with that with Reggie. That’s what many in here proclaimed, right? Whippee! No more out of whack contracts! That’s what many said.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:14 am
theghostronin79 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Well there are many, MANY folks that think their “Opinion” IS Gospel too….
Over the last 3 years, I can’t think of a better player on our Defense. Lots of guys flashed and disappeared throughout that time.
That’s not saying much either. Defense has been garbage over all…..
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Branch? His problem is his consistency. There are games where he completely dominates, and others where he looks lost. He’s by far the least of our problems on defense… the posters here pay more attention to paychecks or where a person is drafted than performance, for some reason. Thats an affliction related to Raider fans in general I’ve noticed. Its not that CP sucks on the field, its that we gave up some draft picks for him and he gets paid a lot of money!!! HE SUCKS!!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am
The topic was Branch. Yes, DMAC is overpaid. Same with Kelly, DHB, Palmer, McClain, etc. I don’t hate anyone for being overpaid. Can’t fault them for getting what they can. I can fault the person signing off on these contracts though. Al had his share of blame, but we were supposed to be done with that with Reggie. That’s what many in here proclaimed, right? Whippee! No more out of whack contracts! That’s what many said.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
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I rest my case…
March 8th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Alright guys…time to hit the road and enjoy the weekend! Chat with you all Monday! Have a good weekend!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:16 am
like I said you can change the subject whatever you’d want.
but you can’t change my opinion that branch can’t play in a zone..
March 8th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Branch is not grossly overpaid
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apparently Reggie thought 6mil salary was too much
715k is more appropriate!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Gdog, let me help you out. The more overpaid players on our team, the less money available to sign playmakers. You’re welcome.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:21 am
I smell something brewing in Alameda…brace yourselves for some BREAKING NEWS!!!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Looks like the ‘what do I care what a player is paid, it’s not my money’ argument is back. Lol, gotta love this place.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:24 am
nor is he a problem.
But lets keep talking about him and ignore the bad line play on both sides McFaddens year off and the fact we do not have a #1 WR or a TE that can block. Maybe we can change the subject to Plamer sucks or DA is a big fat liar.
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AW,
let us know whats OK to talk about, o ye blog moderator
should we have hour blocks for each topic and have Becker ban anybody who strays from it?
I’m pretty sure the article (scroll up) above this comments section is about Ty Branch!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:24 am
apparently Reggie thought 6mil salary was too much
715k is more appropriate
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This would make sense if Reggie took the 5 million away from Branch. He didn’t, he just manipulated the cap structure of the contract by adding 2 voidable years to the end and giving us 2 extra years to prorate the deal. Branch still getting his money.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am
721.. you completely missed my point I’m not saying TP is ready I have no idea because DA refused to play him down the stretch last year. my point in the post your responding to was more about how DA is a proven liar as O poeticly put it… I’m just glad he changed his tune about sticking to the plan with the zone blocking and the West Coast offense and the we don’t need it custom fit our system to our players bs was preaching last year..
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OK lets nit pick DA some more. So he “lied” because he believed or at least played along with Knapp about the zbs will fit our players. I actually believe that DA believed Knapp – they were friends and he saw it work in Atlanta (but he had excellent OL coaches there. Heck I even was open to at least letting play out until the bye to see if it would work.
What the heck is he supposed to do when the whole thing turns out to be a bust? He screwed up hiring the guy and RM let him down by letting him. GK has got stuck in his ways and was not the OC he was when in SF and Atlanta. I thought after the Atlanta game it was fairly well settled that the zbs was not working and it looked like Knapp was mixing in more pbs. With Saunders not wanting the responsibility of being the OC, his only other option would be to can Knapp and bring in someone mid season because no one else had the gravatas to lead the offense under these conditions. I know that worked with Baltimore but do you really think that would of worked in Oakland?
As soon as the season ended he fired him. He also decided to totally switch up and go for people that are known to work with the people they have and are not scheme zealots – that is a 180. It seems to me that by his actions he knows he made a mistake and is reworking. He also went with experienced guys such as Sparano and Olsen so he can truely delegate that thing and work on the defense with Tarver. But no he has big tits and he is a liar and its all over his head even as other people around the league say he is a great guy. If he is such an idiot why would people like Olsen, Suparano, April and the new LBs coach come here?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Gdog
Many on the blog talk about inconsistency without giving much thought to the change in level of competition.
Guys, what you will find if you look at it this way is that many of our players look “good” against weak opponents. They pad their stats that way and it is very misleading.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Has nothing to do with motivation,coaching or whatever other variable you can think of.
The biggest mistake the Raiders have made over the last decade is grossly overpaying for FA and drafting poorly.
We have been 9-51 against playoff teams for the last ten years losing by an average score of 30-13 under seven different coaching staffs because our players are INFERIOR relative to good football teams.
Inconsistency is really not as accurate as seeing how we routinely get pummelled by good playoff teams.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Gdog, let me help you out. The more overpaid players on our team, the less money available to sign playmakers. You’re welcome.
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Let me help YOU out. All teams have a mix of some high priced players that under-preform, and some low priced players that over-perform. You can’t look at it in a vacuum. All teams have some high draft picks that are flops, and some low draft picks that are stars.
The main thing is just to coach up everybody. Hopefully we can accomplish that soon. That is why I always point and laugh at all the morons clamoring to fire DA and/or Reggie! Name one successful franchise that continually replaces head coaches… I will wait.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:29 am
O,
Al Davis called the shots for 50+ years
BigMac was a rookie last year. give him some slack bro!
If Reggie gets all 5 years his contract is written for (which he should) I’m confident we’ll be in much better shape than before he arrived. It takes time to undo what was done before him. But you’re right, many more flub ups contracts like Branch won’t help him right the ship any quicker
March 8th, 2013 at 9:29 am
749… dude all I said was you can’t believe DA’s opinion about Taiwan Jones. And I gave a reason why. because he lies or doesnt know.. I don’t need to get into all this Dennis Allens character or quality and Bubba Bubba blah blah blah. I don’t care
March 8th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Charlie Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Gdog
Many on the blog talk about inconsistency without giving much thought to the change in level of competition.
Guys, what you will find if you look at it this way is that many of our players look “good” against weak opponents. They pad their stats that way and it is very misleading.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Has nothing to do with motivation,coaching or whatever other variable you can think of.
The biggest mistake the Raiders have made over the last decade is grossly overpaying for FA and drafting poorly.
We have been 9-51 against playoff teams for the last ten years losing by an average score of 30-13 under seven different coaching staffs because our players are INFERIOR relative to good football teams.
Inconsistency is really not as accurate as seeing how we routinely get pummelled by good playoff teams.
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Most of that is because we have constantly been on a coaching carousel! The difference between the playoff teams and bottom feeders is coaching and QB’s IMO.
We don’t ever get consistent results because we have a different coaching staff every season. And what do I read every day here??
FIRE DENNIS ALLEN!! DUMP PALMER!
The two main ingredients to a playoff team!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:30 am
TBB,
Gdog is beyong help. A few posters tried but the results are the same.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Lots of FA’s …. Adrian Wilson from cardinals! Cut huff sign him!
Dawan Landry too, is a solid corner from jaquars stuck on a baddddddd team.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Branch still getting his money.
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@ Bcz
do I look like a rookie blogger?
I know this man!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am
r8eray Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:21 am
I smell something brewing in Alameda…brace yourselves for some BREAKING NEWS!!!!!
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He’s on it:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/WIKI_CHUBBY_CHECKER_2.jpg/220px-WIKI_CHUBBY_CHECKER_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chubby_Checker&h=293&w=220&sz=17&tbnid=0ypXJOOvhIPiIM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=72&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dchubby%2Bchecker%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=chubby+checker&usg=__uwHjmlydtLOZXwd_qz1J913RYmw=&docid=XsNs2iZ43rXL1M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_iA6UePbM5TYyAHK_oCIDA&sqi=2&ved=0CKEBEP4dMAs
March 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:30 am
TBB,
Gdog is beyong help. A few posters tried but the results are the same.
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Name the successful franchises that fired 5 different coaches in a decade… I will wait!!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Dawan Landry too, is a solid corner from jaquars stuck on a baddddddd team
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what are we?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Rockstar
I am no moderator but you seem touchy that someone would criticize you for constantly majoring on the minors. What you want me to stop saying we should talk about somehting else? Who’s the moderator? Honestly I need to take a break from this. It is comical that we keep blasting our best offensive and defensive players all the time. Wake me up when FA comes see you all later. You know its bad when you see certain names and you just start scrolling past them because you already know what they will say and what it will be about.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am
First it’s ‘phew, sure glad Al is gone! No more out of whack contracts!’
Now it’s ‘all teams have a mix of overpaid and underpaid players’
Look, Reggie goofed on Branch. That too hard to admit? I’m not asking for Reggie to be fired. Just calm down before you proclaim him the best thing since sliced bread. Clearly, he’s prone to mistakes, just like Al.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am
I think the biggest mistake of Reggies short career was hiring a rookie head coach to help rebuild this team. I know the established candidates had little to know interest in suffering through having crap for picks and no cap space. I like DA, I think he will have a good coaching career, but I don’t think he was the right man for the job (and no I am not advocating keeping Hue… he was busy turning down the vacated Pope position anyways). I don’t think DA will survive to see the turn around, and truthfully Reggie may not either. I do think some of the trolls in here are just ridiculous though with there rhetoric about Reggie and DA, fans of our hated rivals don’t talk as negatively about these guys as some of you do.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Dawan Landry too, is a solid corner from jaquars stuck on a baddddddd team
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what are we?
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Ok, sorry, we shouldn’t try to bring in any players, or corners since were so deep there.
Maybe our converted starters right now Huff and Taiwan jones are ok with you.
Slide Rolando down into the nickel corner on third downs.
Sorry forgive me.
Why try to get better?
Your right.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Gdog…changing the conversation to our problems at the head coach position has nothing to do with the fact that we need to cut/trade/fix out of whack contracts because we are in a rebuilding yr. Dairy building year in a league with a salary cap. You cannot win all the time. you need good players. we’re at a point where we are rebuilding. keeping high priced over paid players like dMac and giving the same overpaid contracts to guys like branch/cp doesn’t work we need to start turning this around.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:43 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am
First it’s ‘phew, sure glad Al is gone! No more out of whack contracts!’
Now it’s ‘all teams have a mix of overpaid and underpaid players’
Look, Reggie goofed on Branch. That too hard to admit? I’m not asking for Reggie to be fired. Just calm down before you proclaim him the best thing since sliced bread. Clearly, he’s prone to mistakes, just like Al.
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If Branch was our worst player on defense we would have the top defense in the NFL. It was NOT a mistake to keep him. Sorry.
Now if someone like Gio is still our starting FS next season, Reggie needs to be replaced. He shouldn’t even be in the NFL. Those are the players to be fixated on. Gio cost us at least 5 wins last season.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am
bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am
I think the biggest mistake of Reggies short career was hiring a rookie head coach to help rebuild this team.
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TBD. he did some things i didn’t like :not playing Pryor/Taiwan more especially when we were out of it, not overuling Knapp’s offensive decisions but he did some good: penalties, benching mcclain, moving huff to corner. The fact that the d looked good last couple of games and the new coordinators give me hope he can succeed
March 8th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Al’s out of whack contracts included $40 million guaranteed to Jamarcus, over 30 million guaranteed to DHB, 8 million cash to DHall for 8 games, Javon Walker making like 1.4 million per CATCH, making Routt the 3rd highest paid CB in the NFL, paying Wimbley Jared Allen money….
Reggies mistake is overpaying Branch by maybe 2 million per year. I won’t buy in the Brisiel thing, he signed the highest rated FA ZBS guard available for a very reasonable contract (about 65% below the salary tag # for the position), in hindsight the guy underperformed, but we moved some money around to help the cap (and not create copius amounts of dead money like those deals by Al) and are giving the guy a shot to prove it. If he flops he is gone without serious ramifications to future years caps. What other ‘big mistakes’ does he have?
March 8th, 2013 at 9:47 am
It’s not, and shouldn’t be Reggie’s decision who plays on gameday.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Gdog…changing the conversation to our problems at the head coach position has nothing to do with the fact that we need to cut/trade/fix out of whack contracts because we are in a rebuilding yr. Dairy building year in a league with a salary cap. You cannot win all the time. you need good players. we’re at a point where we are rebuilding. keeping high priced over paid players like dMac and giving the same overpaid contracts to guys like branch/cp doesn’t work we need to start turning this around.
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Well yea. I guess if you think we have the worst talent in the NFL, ok. We should just start dumping salary and bag next season. We keep going around and around about this.
I don’t think we are that far off.
I think if we plug in a player like Warmack and a true number one WR, the offense can return to the top like it was two seasons ago with great COACHING.
The defense is not going to be great, but this is no longer a defense-first league. GB and NE routinely make the playoffs with bottom defenses.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Reggie didn’t give Palmer a contract. Please get that right. All he did was manipulate the already written contract to accomodate the cap last year.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Al’s out of whack contracts included $40 million guaranteed to Jamarcus, over 30 million guaranteed to DHB, 8 million cash to DHall for 8 games, Javon Walker making like 1.4 million per CATCH, making Routt the 3rd highest paid CB in the NFL, paying Wimbley Jared Allen money….
Reggies mistake is overpaying Branch by maybe 2 million per year. I won’t buy in the Brisiel thing, he signed the highest rated FA ZBS guard available for a very reasonable contract (about 65% below the salary tag # for the position), in hindsight the guy underperformed, but we moved some money around to help the cap (and not create copius amounts of dead money like those deals by Al) and are giving the guy a shot to prove it. If he flops he is gone without serious ramifications to future years caps. What other ‘big mistakes’ does he have?
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His biggest mistake would be to actually care about what some idiot on here thinks. If he turned us around in one year, he’d be god.
We’ll be fine.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am
if branch was the worst player on our defense we clearly could not afford that defense because there’s a salary cap
March 8th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Draft Jordan at number 3 or trade down. Let wheeler walk and jordan instantly replaces him.
In the 4-3 he can drop down form his lb spot and stand over the d end, and the offense will never know if he is coming or faking it. Jordan has the quickness to get back into coverage even after walking up to the line of scrimmage.
When teams motion into a spread look, jordan covered the slot, he is unreal at olb.
You could blitz him from the lb spot, he could line up at d end on obvious passing situations , 3rd and 8 for example.
I think jordan makes the entire defense instantly better, and gives us a play maker in the second level of the defense we have starved for since forever. i think burris and jordan would be a very nice lb combo. What burris lacks at times in tackling technique, he does have the proverbial high motor.
jordans pass rush skill from the outside will also help free up houston and shoughnessy.
More than anything we dont have single player on defense that makes explosive plays. Jordan changes that right now. Considering the state of our secondary i dont see how you can pass on him
March 8th, 2013 at 9:58 am
How is Dennis Allen a bad coach again?
Epsecially being that vets and rooks and people all over the league have repsect for him and claim he will turn this thing around?
You all say he sucks, but the same also say palmer does and the roster and system and so on.
So how could you just blame everything?
idiots.
AL Davis syndrome.
March 8th, 2013 at 9:58 am
756.raiderinparadise Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Lots of FA’s …. Adrian Wilson from cardinals! Cut huff sign him!
Dawan Landry too, is a solid corner from jaquars stuck on a baddddddd team.
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I’m all for adrian wilson he is a baler and always brings it.
dawan landry is a safety.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am
if branch was the worst player on our defense we clearly could not afford that defense because there’s a salary cap
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You have a binary mind. Everything is either a zero or a one. I see this a lot in politics. Just guessing, you’re a Republican aren’t you?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am
NGRaiderfan
many think he had to play out of position, like the reverse of huff lol
March 8th, 2013 at 10:06 am
@mistic
How much should the Raiders pay to resign shoughnessy?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Draft Jordan at number 3 or trade down. Let wheeler walk and jordan instantly replaces him.
In the 4-3 he can drop down form his lb spot and stand over the d end, and the offense will never know if he is coming or faking it. Jordan has the quickness to get back into coverage even after walking up to the line of scrimmage.
When teams motion into a spread look, jordan covered the slot, he is unreal at olb.
You could blitz him from the lb spot, he could line up at d end on obvious passing situations , 3rd and 8 for example.
I think jordan makes the entire defense instantly better, and gives us a play maker in the second level of the defense we have starved for since forever. i think burris and jordan would be a very nice lb combo. What burris lacks at times in tackling technique, he does have the proverbial high motor.
jordans pass rush skill from the outside will also help free up houston and shoughnessy.
More than anything we dont have single player on defense that makes explosive plays. Jordan changes that right now. Considering the state of our secondary i dont see how you can pass on him
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draft star. occupies two blockers allowing shaugnessey and carter (both of which will have great comeback years) to get to the qb as well as our blitzing lb’s and safeties. also run stuffer, with a mean streak
March 8th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Gdog Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:43 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:36 am
First it’s ‘phew, sure glad Al is gone! No more out of whack contracts!’
Now it’s ‘all teams have a mix of overpaid and underpaid players’
Look, Reggie goofed on Branch. That too hard to admit? I’m not asking for Reggie to be fired. Just calm down before you proclaim him the best thing since sliced bread. Clearly, he’s prone to mistakes, just like Al.
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If Branch was our worst player on defense we would have the top defense in the NFL. It was NOT a mistake to keep him. Sorry.
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Lol, dam you’re bull headed. Reggie himself admitted it was a bad contract in his actions and you will continue to proclaim the Branch deal was a good one, even after Reggie redrew it up to give us some relief from the absurd 10 million cap hit.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Man, this #3 pick is bothering me … Shariff Floyd is intriguing but I just don’t like the guys that suddenly pop up in the top of the draft … bust-like.
Plus I think we can trade down, if Star, Shariff and the two tackles garner a lot of appeal OAK can trade down and Reggie can have a full draft to build a foundation. Prob get 1 to 2 comp picks as well.
Lots of holes …
trying to decide which home game to go to this year ….
March 8th, 2013 at 10:12 am
independent. Don’t believe in only 2 parties.
774. yep that’s the way I see it too.. great player and a big need and a hard position to find.. the guys 1 of the most versatile elephant players I’ve ever really looked at because his coverage is so great.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am
i wonder what branch would look like with an above avg. safety next to him someone like ed reed who can be a ball haw and handle most of the deep coverage duties. Branch would be extreemely effective in a bernard pollard type role where he doesn’t have to worry too much about covering deep he just focused on run and short passes.
what we would hope for from huff, but huff doesn’t have safety instincts to make deep bal plays. he is best suited just being asked to cover one on one, the reason i think he would be best suited to stay at cb.
Either in free agency or the draft we need a ball hawking and/or deep coverage safety. it would make everyone on our defense, especially branch, look a lot better.
I think a lot of those plays where branch comes in at the end were because someone else F-ed up in coverage (mitchell, huff, gio, etc) and left a guy wide open and branch just happens to be our fastes player so he would try to make up for it but couldnt. hence y he looked pissed off at somebody everytime that happened. He can stay with a man ok, not great, but avg. for a SS. He can’t cover the field very well in pass cov. especially the deep coverage, but majority of SS arent asked to do that unless in 2 deep where its just half of the field. We need a FS bad.
lookat the ravens, for years they got by with people like chris carr as their starting CBs for long periods during season, because they had ed reed. same with pitt, their corners are avg. at best. when was the last time u saw a pitt corner leave and actually do well for the next team. they leave, do sh!tty, get exposed, and then come back. good safety play is essential in my opinion.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Lol, dam you’re bull headed. Reggie himself admitted it was a bad contract in his actions and you will continue to proclaim the Branch deal was a good one, even after Reggie redrew it up to give us some relief from the absurd 10 million cap hit.
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LOL! This is SOP that ALL GM’s do with large contracts to get under the cap. Every single team in the NFL is doing this.
But yea, if you want to think that the team would be sooooo much better if Branch wasn’t here, knock yourself out!!
Ignorance is often easier to live with than reality.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:15 am
778.raiderinparadise Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:04 am
NGRaiderfan
many think he had to play out of position, like the reverse of huff lol
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who are u talking about? landry? i was just wondering bc i’m not sure.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:15 am
you can only afford to spend big money in a couple of places on any team we just saw Flacco get a contract that will probably hurt Baltimore down the road. it’s already costing them a couple free agents this year.. overpaid guys and their contracts need to be sorted out you can’t play favorites. They earn their money or they take less or they go away.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:15 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am
i wonder what branch would look like with an above avg. safety next to him someone like ed reed who can be a ball haw and handle most of the deep coverage duties. Branch would be extreemely effective in a bernard pollard type role where he doesn’t have to worry too much about covering deep he just focused on run and short passes.
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Thats a great point.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:17 am
It is comical that we keep blasting our best offensive and defensive players all the time. Wake me up when FA comes see you all later. You know its bad when you see certain names and you just start scrolling past them because you already know what they will say and what it will be about.
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AW (#761),
if your “best” players stink, they are taking up big money, a roster spot and an opportunity from somebody else. Thats why we talk about it. the offseason is about making moves. How do we acquire draft picks required for re-building? By unloading well known names to other teams. That also frees up cap space. so does releasing them (unless we’re talking about McClain). When you’re 4-12, changes are going to be made. When you start the offseason OVER the cap and you haven’t even resigned any of your own players yet, changes are going to be made. I’m sorry if the Palmer & Branch talk offends you. It’s just going to happen, if not by me – somebody else. Ignore us if you wish. If you want to talk about other topics, bring’em on
March 8th, 2013 at 10:19 am
NGRaiderfan …
agreed saefty is arguably the hardest position to play on the Defensive side of the ball in nowaddays NFL.
You have to be able cover space, tackle open- field well, disguise coverage, read formations, blitz correctly or you cost a big gain, create turnovers, locate ball, read QB …. its crazy, its hard and great QB’s are the best at looking off safeties or reading them, its a chess match really.
But I for one know Branch’s value, and when/if the pass rush improves his value will show in creating turnovers or sacks.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am
inoneword,
i dont think taking a dtackle makes the most sense for us.
I dont believe that houston or shougnessy are explosive enough to get double digit sacks. Taking a d tackle will help our line to a degree, but it wont create a pass rush.
Jordan is one of those rare athletes that can be counted on for dou8ble digit sacks year after year. Aldon smith, LT, derick thomas types are rare and if you have a chance to atke him do so.
His presence also would help shag and houston see single blocking as he will need to be accounted for in every blocking scheme. brings a similar value in that respect as drafting a tackle, but he gives the added dimension of pass rush.
He also improves coverage from the lb group.
star or a tackle makes us better in one way.
jordan helps 3 different areas of the defense and gives us a play maker for years to come.
if you have a choice between a play maker at d tackle and a play maker at lb always take the lb, because of the impact the the lb has on every play and the versatility he brings to the defense
March 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am
I would try and sign chris gamble if its cheap. he’s a solid staarting corner. some probably wont agree but its all good.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:25 am
787.Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:15 am
you can only afford to spend big money in a couple of places on any team we just saw Flacco get a contract that will probably hurt Baltimore down the road. it’s already costing them a couple free agents this year.. overpaid guys and their contracts need to be sorted out you can’t play favorites. They earn their money or they take less or they go away.
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ravens i think just screwed themselves long term with this deal.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:27 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:24 am
You should be pissed. The likelihood of a JaMarcus bidding war just went through the roof! Stay tuned.
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LMAO
March 8th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Gdog
I am afraid we ARE that far off in terms of talent.
The 55-20 pasting we took in Baltimore this year while Ngata and Lewis were laughing it up on the sidelines tells you how far we are away form respectability.
The Oakland Raiders were a feared consistent winner in the sixties,seventies and early eighties because of the talent disparity we had on the line of scrimmage.
We would crush people on the lines. It is what now happens to us when we go up against playoff teams. We get pushed all over the field. No DB or skill guy fixes that disparity. We will return to winning football only when we can compete with playoff teams on the line of scrimmage.
It will be done through the draft and 2014 is when we will start to see the benefits. Not before because we have lacked high round picks in 2012 and 2013.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am
I would try and sign chris gamble if its cheap. he’s a solid staarting corner. some probably wont agree but its all good.
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Gamble is good in man coverage average in zone.
I dont think he is special by any means, however considering how thin we are he makes a solid vet that can provide depth, or start if there is nothing better on the roster.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Probably won’t happen but i would love for us to trade down and draft Warmack and then hopefully get a 2nd and take Barrett Jones if that were to happen our Oline would be fcking sick our defense is gonna suck regardless of who we draft might as well finish building the Oline
March 8th, 2013 at 10:32 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:58 am
How is Dennis Allen a bad coach again?
Epsecially being that vets and rooks and people all over the league have repsect for him and claim he will turn this thing around?
You all say he sucks, but the same also say palmer does and the roster and system and so on.
So how could you just blame everything?
idiots.
AL Davis syndrome.
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Exactly. Is Dennis Allen the answer? I like him, but I don’t know yet. Neither does anyone else. Anyone who tells you they DO know is a fool.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Charlie Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Gdog
I am afraid we ARE that far off in terms of talent.
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Did you feel that way in 2010 and 2011 when we had an OC that wasn’t an abject idiot?
If so, then I guess there is nothing more I can say. You are convinced we suck and there is nothing we can do to fix it. We should just have a fire sale of all veteran players and shoot for 8-8 in 2015.
Good luck as a Raider fan until then!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Mistic
I guarantee we pick the best Olineman with our first round pick this year and move incumbents as needed to accommodate the pick.
It gets us better faster by helping the Defense keeping them off the field and perhaps making teams play catch up against us.
It maximizes Palmer and Dmac and could help Pryor if forced into service as a number one.
(Barnes and Carlisle are gone-perhaps Bergstrom fills one spot but we still have a big hole remaining).
No big FA signings on the horizon with our cap issues.
The Dline will get a first rounder in the 2014 draft.
We will use our third rounder this year for a DT and after that we will pursue a DB.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am
inoneword,
i dont think taking a dtackle makes the most sense for us.
I dont believe that houston or shougnessy are explosive enough to get double digit sacks. Taking a d tackle will help our line to a degree, but it wont create a pass rush.
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we will get much more pass rush with star occupying two blockers and improvement from shaughnessey carter or whoever we sign in Fa (i see houston as an interior lineman). Also run d is just as if not more important than pass rushing and with seymour and presumably kelly gone we will be soft in the middle with bryant and houston
March 8th, 2013 at 10:34 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:24 am
You should be pissed. The likelihood of a JaMarcus bidding war just went through the roof! Stay tuned.
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JaMarcus Russell bidding war?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks for the laughs, Debo…
March 8th, 2013 at 10:34 am
ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Probably won’t happen but i would love for us to trade down and draft Warmack and then hopefully get a 2nd and take Barrett Jones if that were to happen our Oline would be fcking sick our defense is gonna suck regardless of who we draft might as well finish building the Oline
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Hear hear!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Lmao @ Gdog! Hey, we’re also better off with Wheeler than without him. Hurry up and sign him to a big contract that he’ll never live up to before anyone else gets their paws on him.
We’ve now gone from ‘phew, no more outta whack contracts!’ To ‘well, every team has overpaid players’ to ‘hey pal, everyone overpays and kicks the can down the road and we’re better off with him than without him’
Lmao! Can’t make this sh1t up. We’ve gone completely full circle to the very modus operandi they hated so much about Al.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am
geno smith and ej manual. these are my two top qbs coming in like i have said before. The first time i posted that the usal characters ripped the picks. i laughed.
Just to recap the last 2 drafts my picks are dominating football.
newton wilson rgIII are the top or very near the op of thier classes. I give dalton an ever so slight edge because of his playoff appearances over cam, however the minute cam makes the play offs he ill be the clear cut best of his class. i am holding out hope for pryor to join the fray and will battle it out with cam and dalton for best in class.
i do expext geno and ej to have big impacts when they see the field as well, and next year there are some guys that i think are outstanding.
This will be fun
March 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Charlie Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Mistic
I guarantee we pick the best Olineman with our first round pick this year and move incumbents as needed to accommodate the pick.
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Im good with warmack or fischr as well, i do believe elite pass rushing lbs are much harder to find
March 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Gdog
Been a fan since 63′
I know how to wait and do not anticipate a return to playoff contention till 2014.
I agree that the coaching carousel has hurt us but yes, 2010 and 2011 were teams that I thought were a joke. A complete house of cards that we mortgaged our future on.
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 am
I hear what you are saying Mistic, but when you mention Aldon Smith… what about his complete lack of sacks when Justin Smith was out of the line up. DT’s DO help DE’s put up better numbers.
Not trying to start a war with you, just bringing up the flip side of the coin
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 am
Yeah, Jordan is great rusher.
Agreed.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:44 am
http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-Ford-on-track-with-injury-rehab-4338114.php
better hope he doesn’t read the comments section on here!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am
Charlie Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Gdog
Been a fan since 63′
I know how to wait and do not anticipate a return to playoff contention till 2014.
I agree that the coaching carousel has hurt us but yes, 2010 and 2011 were teams that I thought were a joke. A complete house of cards that we mortgaged our future on.
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Wow. Ok. I don’t understand you at all, but I see a lot of this here. I think I would stop watching football altogether if I had such a bleak view of my favorite team. Honestly. This team seems to drive you a little nutso.
I don’t think we are far off AT ALL… and I am going down swinging on this!!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am
cant wait till mark replaces da with tony sparano and shrek with holmgren…
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Well in the 2014 draft hopefully we get Clowney, Manziel, or Arron Murray can’t go wrong with either of them
March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Oh, and just to reiterate:
JaMarcus Russell bidding war?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So will this happen before or after MistaBrown’s Romney landslide?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Ian, If we get Clowney it means we went 2-14 in 2013.
I’m not up for that at all.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:53 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am
inoneword,
i dont think taking a dtackle makes the most sense for us.
I dont believe that houston or shougnessy are explosive enough to get double digit sacks. Taking a d tackle will help our line to a degree, but it wont create a pass rush.
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we will get much more pass rush with star occupying two blockers and improvement from shaughnessey carter or whoever we sign in Fa (i see houston as an interior lineman). Also run d is just as if not more important than pass rushing and with seymour and presumably kelly gone we will be soft in the middle with bryant and houston
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I am going to disagree with your logic.
1. shag and houston saw single blocking plenty of times because kelly was double teamed often. They simply are not explosive enough to capitalize and give double digit sacks. star will be a repeat story. he will get doubles, but shag and houston wont suddenly become pas rushers. I see them as 4-8 sacks per year guys.
2. tackles that occupy blockers can be found later in the draft. Star is considered special because of his rushing prowess from the tackle spot, ala grady jacksoon, warren sapp. However in the nfl without a rush from the end the tackle will never get consistent pressure on the qb. sapp had simeon rice
3. pass rushers in the derick thomas mold are very very hard to find. you dont find them in every draft. Run stuffing tackles ca be found much more easily.
4. the nfl is a passing league and is no longer about stopping the run. The ravens werent a supreme run stopping team, the niners were. the niners run stopping prowess was made moot by the ravens spread passing attack. you must beable to get to the qb if you want the best defesne in todys football. even in short yardage, teams will go spread and throw, because the rules are designed to favor the passing game.
Our division manning rivers and andy reid, are all pass happy offenses, you better have a pass rush to bet them.
5. While star helps the d line and causes single blocking , jordan also makes the dline bettr and causes single blocking.
jordan also improves our horrible lb group, and makes the secondary better with his pass rush.
If this was 5 years ago i may have agreed, but now with so many teams spreading the offense to throw as the staple, pass rusher now more than ever is at a premium.
Lb pass rusher is like the franchise qb for the defense, a tackle cant bring that kind of value
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Ian, If we get Clowney it means we went 2-14 in 2013.
I’m not up for that at all.
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I hear ya im not up for it either but we have alot of holes man and i don’t have alot of faith in Mumbles or DA hopefully they prove me wrong tho
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 am
LB’s again are heavily dependant on the lineman in front of them.
Ray Lewis made the point best:
Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.”
BTW; The Ravens drafted Ngata and the rest is history.
Oline with our first pick, DT with our third rounder a DB in the fourth and best available after that.
Wish we had more picks but the Palmer deal took care of that.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am
So the lack of any news in regard to these guys we can only assume:
-Holmgren isn’t interested?
-Cullen Jenkins isn’t interested?
..does anybody wanna work or play for the Oakland Raiders?
We did get some decent names for assistant coaches I will say.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am
another reason i favor pass rushing lb to d tackle at number 3.
d tackle will see a ton of double teams so through the course of a game they tire, and they have less and less impact rushing as the game goes on. Lbs like jordan are marthon men, he is bo jackson playing defense.
His impact on the game is greater than what a tackle can bring
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am
805.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am
geno smith and ej manual. these are my two top qbs coming in like i have said before. The first time i posted that the usal characters ripped the picks. i laughed.
Just to recap the last 2 drafts my picks are dominating football.
newton wilson rgIII are the top or very near the op of thier classes. I give dalton an ever so slight edge because of his playoff appearances over cam, however the minute cam makes the play offs he ill be the clear cut best of his class. i am holding out hope for pryor to join the fray and will battle it out with cam and dalton for best in class.
i do expext geno and ej to have big impacts when they see the field as well, and next year there are some guys that i think are outstanding.
This will be fun
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You know, if you didn’t pat yourself on the back every time you were right and insult others at the same time, people might be a little more willing to engage you in a positive way.
You’re not the only poster in here that has an eye for talent. Plenty of others have mentioned guys that stood out to them over the years, and for some the track record is pretty darned good. Christ, I pointed out EJ as a sleeper at QB awhile ago; said I liked his footwork and delivery and thought he was flying under the radar a little bit.
It would be nice to interact positively with someone that obviously studies and has an idea of what he’s looking at; maybe ease up on the self-congratulations and the belitting of others and people might be willing to engage you a little bit. Positively, that is.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am
There’s no bidding war over that fat whale J Russ Debo is just a moron and Russell’s biggest cheerleader thats all
March 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am
So the lack of any news in regard to these guys we can only assume:
-Holmgren isn’t interested?
-Cullen Jenkins isn’t interested?
..does anybody wanna work or play for the Oakland Raiders?
We did get some decent names for assistant coaches I will say.
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Cullen Jenkins is interested in about five different teams and obviously hasn’t received an offer he’s interested in.
Holmgren probably wants total control. Given his cruddy record in Cleveland, I’m not inclined to grant it to him.
Reggie’s no doubt looking at some players, but keeping it close to the vest.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Well in the 2014 draft hopefully we get Clowney, Manziel, or Arron Murray can’t go wrong with either of them
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Can’t go wrong with Alabama QB AJ McCarren too!!!
Wouldn’t you want Katherine Webb sitting next to you at the coliseum on Sundays?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am
I know we’re just nit picking, but I’d think it’d be better leverage to reconstruct the Higher salary players first, like CP3 and DHB.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am
So the lack of any news in regard to these guys we can only assume:
-Holmgren isn’t interested?
-Cullen Jenkins isn’t interested?
..does anybody wanna work or play for the Oakland Raiders?
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Disagree
I think it must be a fit. One thing davis and reg are clearly demonstrating s not only are they being frugal, but they wont over spend.
Holmgren? well who knows
But jenkins, could be asking for too much money.
It has to work for all parties, it isnt always that nobody wants to be here
March 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am
There’s no bidding war over that fat whale J Russ Debo is just a moron and Russell’s biggest cheerleader thats all
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Why DOES Debo have this bizarre man-love for JaPaycheck, anyway? Does he also send Ryan Leaf cookies in prison, or is it some bizarre sex fantasy about #2?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am
an85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Ian, If we get Clowney it means we went 2-14 in 2013.
I’m not up for that at all.
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I hear ya im not up for it either but we have alot of holes man and i don’t have alot of faith in Mumbles or DA hopefully they prove me wrong tho
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Yep. But if we do go 2-14 then DA and Reggie are gone…so there’s that.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am
ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:54 am
hopefully they prove me wrong tho
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No need to worry there dpsht. You’ve been proven wrong your entire miserable life.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am
R8eray Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Well in the 2014 draft hopefully we get Clowney, Manziel, or Arron Murray can’t go wrong with either of them
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Can’t go wrong with Alabama QB AJ McCarren too!!!
Wouldn’t you want Katherine Webb sitting next to you at the coliseum on Sundays?
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Im a Tide fan i love AJ and i would love to have him in silver and black
March 8th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Post #774
We’re stride for stride on that one man. I’ve been talking “Jordan” since before the season was over, then his stock started rising up into our territory….
BANG…….Everything you just said.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Mistic
Agree on many of your points but NO one dimensional team will ever be succesful.
You still have to run and stop the run to win PLAYOFF FOOTBALL.
Yes passing is more prevalent than in past years but if you can not stop the run you lose. Good QB’s when they have run and pass at their disposal can not be beaten.
Our second game against Denver shows how we were pounded on the ground to the point where Peyton did not even have to do much.
We have to rebuild our Dline but our Oline is the priority now.
That being said I think we agree on draft priorites.
I do agree that we have much better odds at getting help on the Dline in round three which is why I can guarantee we go with Oline with our first rounder.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:01 am
And Katherine Webb is HOTT as FCK
March 8th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Holmgren probably wants total control. Given his cruddy record in Cleveland, I’m not inclined to grant it to him.
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Holmgren put cleveland in a very nice salary cap position, and got them some decent returns on draft picks. He was on his way to building something there. At the end of the day his financial skills and ability to work the cap to the benefit of the club is where his talents could be useful here. It can never hurt to put another smart football guy in the building.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:02 am
I think AJ will also win the Heisman trophy this year
March 8th, 2013 at 11:03 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am
805.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am
geno smith and ej manual. these are my two top qbs coming in like i have said before. The first time i posted that the usal characters ripped the picks. i laughed.
Just to recap the last 2 drafts my picks are dominating football.
newton wilson rgIII are the top or very near the op of thier classes. I give dalton an ever so slight edge because of his playoff appearances over cam, however the minute cam makes the play offs he ill be the clear cut best of his class. i am holding out hope for pryor to join the fray and will battle it out with cam and dalton for best in class.
i do expext geno and ej to have big impacts when they see the field as well, and next year there are some guys that i think are outstanding.
This will be fun
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You know, if you didn’t pat yourself on the back every time you were right and insult others at the same time, people might be a little more willing to engage you in a positive way.
You’re not the only poster in here that has an eye for talent. Plenty of others have mentioned guys that stood out to them over the years, and for some the track record is pretty darned good. Christ, I pointed out EJ as a sleeper at QB awhile ago; said I liked his footwork and delivery and thought he was flying under the radar a little bit.
It would be nice to interact positively with someone that obviously studies and has an idea of what he’s looking at; maybe ease up on the self-congratulations and the belitting of others and people might be willing to engage you a little bit. Positively, that is.
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ET,
Im not looking for anybodies participation, approval or edification.
If any one was “insulted” by my above post they should ask why they were. i didnt say anything offensive or rude, nor did i a address any individual.
You seem to want to be the fun police, but I can celebrate victory any way i choose. I couldnt give two squirts of pizz who does or doesnt like it.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:03 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am
805.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am
geno smith and ej manual. these are my two top qbs coming in like i have said before. The first time i posted that the usal characters ripped the picks. i laughed.
Just to recap the last 2 drafts my picks are dominating football.
newton wilson rgIII are the top or very near the op of thier classes. I give dalton an ever so slight edge because of his playoff appearances over cam, however the minute cam makes the play offs he ill be the clear cut best of his class. i am holding out hope for pryor to join the fray and will battle it out with cam and dalton for best in class.
i do expext geno and ej to have big impacts when they see the field as well, and next year there are some guys that i think are outstanding.
This will be fun
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You know, if you didn’t pat yourself on the back every time you were right and insult others at the same time, people might be a little more willing to engage you in a positive way.
You’re not the only poster in here that has an eye for talent. Plenty of others have mentioned guys that stood out to them over the years, and for some the track record is pretty darned good. Christ, I pointed out EJ as a sleeper at QB awhile ago; said I liked his footwork and delivery and thought he was flying under the radar a little bit.
It would be nice to interact positively with someone that obviously studies and has an idea of what he’s looking at; maybe ease up on the self-congratulations and the belitting of others and people might be willing to engage you a little bit. Positively, that is.
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ET,
Im not looking for anybodies participation, approval or edification.
If any one was “insulted” by my above post they should ask why they were. i didnt say anything offensive or rude, nor did i a address any individual.
You seem to want to be the fun police, but I can celebrate victory any way i choose. I couldnt give two squirts of pizz who does or doesnt like it.
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Nailed it.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Do not expect much in FA.
Jenkins is a classic example of mistakes the Raider have made in the past and will not make again.
He is 32!!!! Very little left in the tank. (See Seymour, Sapp, Carter etc.) We can not and will not offer much.
Build your core through the draft especially on the line of scrimmage.
In the meantime you can use a free agent here and there to buy time till you draft the right guy or let the right guy develop.
Once in a long while will you get a free agent that is a big difference maker (Gannon) and that usually happens when the team releasing the player has a perceived surplus of talent at the position (Grbac). Again, that will only happen when the rest of the base (Oline) is in place.
As a rule free agents are “free” for a reason (injury history, attitude issues, high salary demands etc.) and rarely if ever produce up to their contracts.
On a percentage basis, young hungry rookies with the salary cap in place are much better values.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:06 am
3. pass rushers in the derick thomas mold are very very hard to find. you dont find them in every draft. Run stuffing tackles ca be found much more easily
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the guy can cover, but let’s not call him derrick thomas just yet. Also lots of pass rushing olb’s in the draft, we can get one in a later round. how much better is jordan than jones or ansah or mingo? whereas there isn’t a d tackle close to what star brings. also at the end of the day, i think star is a dominant player in this league, don’t know if jordan is that
March 8th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Charlie Says:
I guarantee we pick the best Olineman with our first round pick this year and move incumbents as needed to accommodate the pick.
(Barnes and Carlisle are gone-perhaps Bergstrom fills one spot but we still have a big hole remaining).
No big FA signings on the horizon with our cap issues.
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Although this guy looks tempting.
Eric Winston is right man for Raiders Right Tackle job
By Levi Damien on Mar 7 2013
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/7/4074234/eric-winston-is-right-man-for-oakland-raiders-right-tackle-job
March 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Not the fun police at all. Just was hoping you’d be willing to show a little class.
Guess I was wrong.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:09 am
another issue with tacking a tackle, who pressures the qb?
Star wont be a 10 sack a year guy, he isnt warren sapp.
besides a penetrating tackle is easily neutralized by a double team, a guy coming off the edge is far more difficult to stop. o t’s arent fast enough and backs arent big enough.
the fact that his olb also means when he walks up in the elphant the o t has to choose who to block the dend or olb, as we saw with wimbly this is amjor problem for offense, more so than stoppng a d tackle
suggesting that carter can fit the bill next year is beyond risky, its down right negligent.
he is too old and to beat up, and we would need to replace him next year.
who are the guys in next years class that match jordan, and will be in a position high enough to draft that guy nest year?
too many risk factors, better get him now because this is one of those players that simply doesnt come around very often
March 8th, 2013 at 11:10 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Not the fun police at all. Just was hoping you’d be willing to show a little class.
Guess I was wrong.
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we dont agree on the notion of class.
if someone says they are right and it bothers you, the issue is yours.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:12 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/bill-romanowski-wife-owe-nearly-5-million-in-back-taxes/
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Poor Romo. Maybe he should ask JaMarcus for a loan.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am
We do agree on one thing; the definition of class. People that have it don’t feel an overwhelming need to let the world know every time they are right about something while insulting the people that may have disagreed with them.
They’re just not that insecure.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:15 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:06 am
3. pass rushers in the derick thomas mold are very very hard to find. you dont find them in every draft. Run stuffing tackles ca be found much more easily
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the guy can cover, but let’s not call him derrick thomas just yet. Also lots of pass rushing olb’s in the draft, we can get one in a later round.
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Im not saying he is thomas, bt he has that kind of talent and burst.
i dont believ you can find guys later in the drfat on his level.
the other guys have major flags, and i dont see them as instant impact day one starters, (jones only because of health).
Taking the best olb is better than taking the best d tackle, it helps the defense are far more ways, and has the biggest impact.
this is why lbs and pass rushers get paid more than tackles
elephant charles haley types are the fastets way to turn around the defense, this cant be debated
March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Charlie Says:
I guarantee we pick the best Olineman with our first round pick this year and move incumbents as needed to accommodate the pick.
(Barnes and Carlisle are gone-perhaps Bergstrom fills one spot but we still have a big hole remaining).
No big FA signings on the horizon with our cap issues.
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Although this guy looks tempting.
Eric Winston is right man for Raiders Right Tackle job
By Levi Damien on Mar 7 2013
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/7/4074234/eric-winston-is-right-man-for-oakland-raiders-right-tackle-job
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Holy crap! PFF has him rated as a +15!! GO GET THIS GUY REGGIE!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:09 am
another issue with tacking a tackle, who pressures the qb?
Star wont be a 10 sack a year guy, he isnt warren sapp.
besides a penetrating tackle is easily neutralized by a double team, a guy coming off the edge is far more difficult to stop. o t’s arent fast enough and backs arent big enough.
the fact that his olb also means when he walks up in the elphant the o t has to choose who to block the dend or olb, as we saw with wimbly this is amjor problem for offense, more so than stoppng a d tackle
suggesting that carter can fit the bill next year is beyond risky, its down right negligent.
he is too old and to beat up, and we would need to replace him next year.
who are the guys in next years class that match jordan, and will be in a position high enough to draft that guy nest year?
too many risk factors, better get him now because this is one of those players that simply doesnt come around very often
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who plays interior d for us next year?
also we’ve seen it time and time again, guy has a big injury comes back and doesn’t look good the next year but the following year he’s back to his normal self. Carter and Shaughnessey will have rebound years, showed too much prior to the injury to not have big years.
Also we have so many areas of weakness you gotta pick your poison you either draft a ansah, jones or jordan and possibly be susceptible to the run with Houston and Bryant (if he’s back) in the middle? pick star or floyd and who’s your pass rusher?
neither of us know for sure if star or jordan will pan out, we shall see
March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am
We do agree on one thing; the definition of class. People that have it don’t feel an overwhelming need to let the world know every time they are right about something while insulting the people that may have disagreed with them.
They’re just not that insecure.
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Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
March 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/report-jets-insisting-santonio-holmes-reduce-salary/
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Reggie better be ready to pounce!
March 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am
849.RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am
We do agree on one thing; the definition of class. People that have it don’t feel an overwhelming need to let the world know every time they are right about something while insulting the people that may have disagreed with them.
They’re just not that insecure.
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Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
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Well, I was talking to Mistic, not you, but since you asked;
Jamarcus is not going to succeed in his latest comeback. He will quit because it’s too much work, just like he did the last time.
You wanted a football take, you got it. Now go back and mind your own business.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am
We do agree on one thing; the definition of class. People that have it don’t feel an overwhelming need to let the world know every time they are right about something while insulting the people that may have disagreed with them.
They’re just not that insecure.
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i disagree 100%
I dont mind when a player spikes the ball after a td.
i dont have problem when a guy trots after a home run
i dont have an issue with high fives and mean mugs after a dunk or blocked shot mutumbo finger wave.
I dont think everyone that does these things lacks class.
You play the game your way ill play mine.
i am not concerned with your take on how i use the blog.
if i is to much for you or too intense for you or you dont like when im right at your expense than take up knitting or host a Tupperware sale.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:12 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/bill-romanowski-wife-owe-nearly-5-million-in-back-taxes/
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Poor Romo. Maybe he should ask JaMarcus for a loan.
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Like JaMarcus has any money left. He spent it all on fur coats, Purple Drank, and no-class jewelry.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
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Says the guy who immediately calls anyone who doesn’t like JAmarcus a racist
March 8th, 2013 at 11:23 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am
who plays interior d for us next year?
also we’ve seen it time and time again, guy has a big injury comes back and doesn’t look good the next year but the following year he’s back to his normal self. Carter and Shaughnessey will have rebound years, showed too much prior to the injury to not have big years.
Also we have so many areas of weakness you gotta pick your poison you either draft a ansah, jones or jordan and possibly be susceptible to the run with Houston and Bryant (if he’s back) in the middle? pick star or floyd and who’s your pass rusher?
neither of us know for sure if star or jordan will pan out, we shall see
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i will ceseed one point that you make, the interior is thin,until we find out what up with kelly bryant,
If they are in the fold or if even one is in the fold I dont think you can pass up a pass rusher.
If they are both gone i may look at it differntly
March 8th, 2013 at 11:23 am
I disagree, I don’t think Big Strong 2 gappers are easy to find.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:24 am
Reggies mistake is overpaying Branch by maybe 2 million per year
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@Bcz
co-signed
March 8th, 2013 at 11:25 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:19 am
849.RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:14 am
We do agree on one thing; the definition of class. People that have it don’t feel an overwhelming need to let the world know every time they are right about something while insulting the people that may have disagreed with them.
They’re just not that insecure.
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Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
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Well, I was talking to Mistic, not you, but since you asked;
Jamarcus is not going to succeed in his latest comeback. He will quit because it’s too much work, just like he did the last time.
You wanted a football take, you got it. Now go back and mind your own business.
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Now that wasn’t so bad, was it? Teach, you need to know your place and stop with all the finger wagging. You’re just a guy (I think?) with an opinion on a computer like the rest of us. Your moral authority bulsht ain’t gonna fly with me.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:26 am
I disagree, I don’t think Big Strong 2 gappers are easy to find.
There’s only 1 in the draft that I know of, Star.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:26 am
i wonder what branch would look like with an above avg. safety next to him someone like ed reed who can be a ball haw and handle most of the deep coverage duties. Branch would be extreemely effective in a bernard pollard type role where he doesn’t have to worry too much about covering deep he just focused on run and short passes.
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NG,
it works both ways. Who has Mike Huff ever started next to at free (or strong) safety?
crappy players
March 8th, 2013 at 11:27 am
bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
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Says the guy who immediately calls anyone who doesn’t like JAmarcus a racist
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Ummmm, when did I call anyone who doesn’t like JR a racist? I called you a racist (and rightly so) because of the racist filth you posted on this board a couple of years back. Still stands by the way.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:30 am
honestly i like what reggie is doing. I think his draft wasnt bad last year, streeter looks like a solid player, and burris is a little better than serviceable as a starter. I think both of these guys will improve and bee soild good players, not stars.
I like what reggie is doing with the money. i like that he took his medicine last year cutting fat contracts.
I especially like what he doing with palemr take a cut or call your travel agent.
i like how he handle pryor, forcing the coch to play him ( so it seems), and announcing that he believes pryor is good enough to start.
I thought hiring allen was a flop, and so was signing off on allens staff.
How ever he didnt waste any time going back to what has worked with our current roster and taking the staff out of alens hands.
realizing a mistake and fixing it in my mind says a lot, because many guys will let ego stop them from making things right.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:30 am
ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am
R8eray Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Well in the 2014 draft hopefully we get Clowney, Manziel, or Arron Murray can’t go wrong with either of them
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Can’t go wrong with Alabama QB AJ McCarren too!!!
Wouldn’t you want Katherine Webb sitting next to you at the coliseum on Sundays?
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Im a Tide fan i love AJ and i would love to have him in silver and black
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Not a tide fan at all, but I do think AJ is the next best pocket passer to enter league.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:31 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:27 am
bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
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Says the guy who immediately calls anyone who doesn’t like JAmarcus a racist
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Ummmm, when did I call anyone who doesn’t like JR a racist? I called you a racist (and rightly so) because of the racist filth you posted on this board a couple of years back. Still stands by the way.
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oh yeah, that over the top impersonation of jamarcuss.
a person cant really do that unless that is truly in their heart
it got away from him that day, and revealed his true self
March 8th, 2013 at 11:31 am
i disagree 100%
I dont mind when a player spikes the ball after a td.
i dont have problem when a guy trots after a home run
i dont have an issue with high fives and mean mugs after a dunk or blocked shot mutumbo finger wave.
I dont think everyone that does these things lacks class.
You play the game your way ill play mine.
i am not concerned with your take on how i use the blog.
if i is to much for you or too intense for you or you dont like when im right at your expense than take up knitting or host a Tupperware sale.
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Not sure how you connected on-field celebrations to what I was saying, but exaggerating the other person’s point in an effort to show your own as more valid is a time-tested method of debate, so maybe that’s what you’re trying to do there.
I think I’m probably “tough enough” to handle a football blog, so I’ll pass on the Tupperware shopping for now, lol. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Ther are really only two reason worth watching next season.
1. the new draft picks, do we get a star payer?
2. pryor
clealry the main reason that most raider fans are excited about for next season.
Honestly would anyone be excited to watch palmer again?
lol
doubt it
March 8th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Now that wasn’t so bad, was it? Teach, you need to know your place and stop with all the finger wagging. You’re just a guy (I think?) with an opinion on a computer like the rest of us. Your moral authority bulsht ain’t gonna fly with me.
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Know my place? Did you just say that?
The irony of that statement is so overwhelming it’s making my eyes water.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:31 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:27 am
bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
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Says the guy who immediately calls anyone who doesn’t like JAmarcus a racist
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Ummmm, when did I call anyone who doesn’t like JR a racist? I called you a racist (and rightly so) because of the racist filth you posted on this board a couple of years back. Still stands by the way.
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oh yeah, that over the top impersonation of jamarcuss.
a person cant really do that unless that is truly in their heart
it got away from him that day, and revealed his true self
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There’s been some bad stuff on this board from the likes of Fangs and others. But that sht from bcz24 is the worst of all time. It takes a real racist POS to put the time and thought into something that gross.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:30 am
ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:59 am
R8eray Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Ian85 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Well in the 2014 draft hopefully we get Clowney, Manziel, or Arron Murray can’t go wrong with either of them
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Can’t go wrong with Alabama QB AJ McCarren too!!!
Wouldn’t you want Katherine Webb sitting next to you at the coliseum on Sundays?
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Im a Tide fan i love AJ and i would love to have him in silver and black
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Not a tide fan at all, but I do think AJ is the next best pocket passer to enter league.
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I agree AJ will be a excellent pocket passer in the NFL Arron Murray too
March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 am
if you want to think that the team would be sooooo much better if Branch wasn’t here, knock yourself out!!
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Gdog,
Reggie’s mistake was tagging Branch in the first place – giving him all the leverage. Every tagged player wants a monster contract and his agent will fight for it. BigMac should have let TB33 test the waters in free agency, then see what the market value is and decide if it’s in our best interest to keep him & pay him that
go back to the archives, I’ve been saying that since LAST offseason. We would have been fine with Mitchell & Curtis Taylor at SS. Maybe we could have used that extra loot and got some WR or OL help for Carson? isn’t that what YOU PEOPLE keep complaining about?
March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Ummmm, when did I call anyone who doesn’t like JR a racist? I called you a racist (and rightly so) because of the racist filth you posted on this board a couple of years back. Still stands by the way.
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This “nazi manifesto” as you have called is very much a Unicorn. No one acknowledges it’s existance, except you and your alter ego… No one cares that you think everyone is racist who doesn’t agree with you. Did you have a football take?
March 8th, 2013 at 11:38 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:31 am
i disagree 100%
I dont mind when a player spikes the ball after a td.
i dont have problem when a guy trots after a home run
i dont have an issue with high fives and mean mugs after a dunk or blocked shot mutumbo finger wave.
I dont think everyone that does these things lacks class.
You play the game your way ill play mine.
i am not concerned with your take on how i use the blog.
if i is to much for you or too intense for you or you dont like when im right at your expense than take up knitting or host a Tupperware sale.
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Not sure how you connected on-field celebration
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if i post and somebody calls me an “idiot” for it, i see that as being competitive.
when im right in here it like i landed a right cross to my opponents jaw. when they go down in a heap i dance like adrien broner, then laugh as they spin excuses and back track.
pure entertainment, so again ill do it my way you do it yours, and dont try to police the blog or scold people for not subscribing to your idea for blog etiquette
‘you play to win the game”
March 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am
QB is the least of our problems.
We are drafting lineman with our top two picks for the next two years.
Any QB would look good behind Alabama’s Oline.(McCarren looks a bit too much like Andrew Walter to suit me).
Let’s get an Olineman with our first round pick. Bet Palmer is a little bit better than any rookie QB you will find in this year’s draft.
Need to give Palmer a run game which opens up the passing game.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Rock, part of the reason Branch got tagged was because of how thin our secondary was. Branch gets much better ratings as a safety from analysts than he does in here, so it was deemed important to keep him around. Letting him test the market to guage his value works for other teams, but not so much here in Oakland. Given the same amount of money the player will choose the other team every time. If Branch’s fair market value was 4.5 mill, then we paid the amount it would have taken to keep him in the fold. I realize our opinions of Branch’s worth differs, but thats my opinion on why he was paid what he was.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:45 am
RaiderDebo Says:
Do you really think anybody gives a sht what you think about class or insecurity? Have a football take?
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He may well think that and some may indeed care. Not you, obviously.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Charlie Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:39 am
QB is the least of our problems.
We are drafting lineman with our top two picks for the next two years.
Any QB would look good behind Alabama’s Oline.(McCarren looks a bit too much like Andrew Walter to suit me).
Let’s get an Olineman with our first round pick. Bet Palmer is a little bit better than any rookie QB you will find in this year’s draft.
Need to give Palmer a run game which opens up the passing game.
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Absolutely i completely agree i want Oline this year im saying if we suck again next year we will have our pick of Clowney, Manziel, Murray, or Mccarron can’t go wrong with either of them
March 8th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I don’t WANT AJ, just was saying he will be a good NFL pocket passer, one problem is his GF might be his cieling achievemtn in life, so maybe he flops when he gets a paycheck lmao
I want nasty linemen too, Off & Def, and a pass rusher that hurts people.
Everything else is in place.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:48 am
why a pass rusher instead of d tackle?
you get to the playoffs by wining your division first and foremost.
Our divison is not a grind it ou run the ball group.
sd kc dne will all be pass first offense.
jamal charles is a handful but if your offense can get a lead you can take him out of the equation. this happend plenty of times to kc last year.
I would rather get pressure on excellent at pressuring qbs and simply middle of the pack stopping the run.
all of the last few sb winners have done it with passing game first, the giants may be the most balanced in recent years, but even they won with big passing plays.
packers, saints, ravens, patsies, and so on.
If you want to compete in the af west you better get to the qb
March 8th, 2013 at 11:48 am
872.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:38 am
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:31 am
i disagree 100%
I dont mind when a player spikes the ball after a td.
i dont have problem when a guy trots after a home run
i dont have an issue with high fives and mean mugs after a dunk or blocked shot mutumbo finger wave.
I dont think everyone that does these things lacks class.
You play the game your way ill play mine.
i am not concerned with your take on how i use the blog.
if i is to much for you or too intense for you or you dont like when im right at your expense than take up knitting or host a Tupperware sale.
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Not sure how you connected on-field celebration
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if i post and somebody calls me an “idiot” for it, i see that as being competitive.
when im right in here it like i landed a right cross to my opponents jaw. when they go down in a heap i dance like adrien broner, then laugh as they spin excuses and back track.
pure entertainment, so again ill do it my way you do it yours, and dont try to police the blog or scold people for not subscribing to your idea for blog etiquette
‘you play to win the game”
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Fair enough. I guess I didn’t realize how important it was to you to wave your proverbial finger in people’s faces when you are right about something.
You’re absolutely right. We have different definitions of class, and no one should press his definition on others as the correct one.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Lakers baby!
March 8th, 2013 at 11:57 am
ET,
im am only that way in here. in the real world i find it counter productive, and prefer to keep my cards close tot he vest
March 8th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 am
if you want to think that the team would be sooooo much better if Branch wasn’t here, knock yourself out!!
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Gdog,
Reggie’s mistake was tagging Branch in the first place – giving him all the leverage. Every tagged player wants a monster contract and his agent will fight for it. BigMac should have let TB33 test the waters in free agency, then see what the market value is and decide if it’s in our best interest to keep him & pay him that
go back to the archives, I’ve been saying that since LAST offseason. We would have been fine with Mitchell & Curtis Taylor at SS. Maybe we could have used that extra loot and got some WR or OL help for Carson? isn’t that what YOU PEOPLE keep complaining about?
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Yes. But he took this years cap money off the table, and thus we can hopefully get ERIC WINSTON with the cap savings this year. If we pick him up and draft Warmack, we could have the best o-line in the NFL!! Watch the wins pile up!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
part of the reason Branch got tagged was because of how thin our secondary was
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@Bcz
Branch wasn’t worth the tag anymore than guys like Myers, Bryant, Wheeler & Lechler imo
and our cap situation was much worse last year!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
…pure entertainment, so again ill do it my way you do it yours, and dont try to police the blog or scold people for not subscribing to your idea for blog etiquette…
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This from the guy that tried to explain proper cell phone etiquette to establish your ’street cred’ on the mean streets of Oakland?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Well at least there is not 4,000 posts like there has been whats new RR Dakota everyone
We need to get Wheeler and Desmond Bryant signed ASAP then RM and DA can worry about cold cheeseburgers and coleslaw…oh that was the old regime!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Yes. But he took this years cap money off the table, and thus we can hopefully get ERIC WINSTON with the cap savings this year. If we pick him up and draft Warmack, we could have the best o-line in the NFL!! Watch the wins pile up!
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Massive cosignage. I really wanted Winston last year, and hope like hell we get him this year.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
“This from the guy that tried to explain proper cell phone etiquette to establish your ’street cred’ on the mean streets of Oakland?”
There are also guys in here that know Karate!
Well at least they say they do when some troll starts a fight.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Chris Gamble and Aaron Ross cut today by their respective teams.
FA corners starting to increase in numbers. Hopefully we can take advantage.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
I haven’t had a cheeseburger in 3 months… that was just wrong 666! LOL
March 8th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz……
March 8th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
I am heading out just came in to start some crap!
I have been hanging out at PolarityBlog.
You guys can click my moniker and check it out.
Back to the grind!
What kind of world do we live in where Dakota is the Fantasy Football champ….SMH
March 8th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
“I haven’t had a cheeseburger in 3 months… that was just wrong 666! LOL”
You remember the old cold cheeseburger and coleslaw stories LMAO!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
From NFL.com via Rotoworld.com:
NFL.com says the “more likely scenario” is that Carson Palmer refuses a pay cut and joins a weak free-agent quarterback market.
Palmer is due a $13 million salary, and there’s no way the cap-strapped Raiders would keep him at that price. Ian Rapoport says not to be shocked if Oakland cuts him, and Palmer lands a gig to compete with a “young up-and-comer” elsewhere. The Raiders would save just under $6 million in cap space by releasing Palmer.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000146724/article/free-agency-primer-ranking-the-top-
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Interesting. Go get Garrard Reggie!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Even tho we don’t run a 3-4 would anyone take James harrrison?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
seriously Debo Garrard sucks!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
we can hopefully get ERIC WINSTON with the cap savings this year. If we pick him up and draft Warmack, we could have the best o-line in the NFL!! Watch the wins pile up!
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Gdog,
I must admit that’s intriguing!
However, not addressing the awful defense in free agency or in the first 3 rounds of the draft sounds like a recipe for disaster. You must be one of those “the best defense is a good offense” guys. But you would have a ready-made excuse to fire Allen & Tarver if the defense doesn’t perform with our scrub players we acquired from the Goodwill & Salvation Army
Remember it wasn’t long ago that we blamed everything on Chuck Bresnahan and purging him didn’t equate to improved defensive performance
March 8th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Harrison? At his price tag, with his injury history, and doubtful ability to be effective as an end in a 4-3 I would pass
March 8th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
NFL.com ranks JaMarcus as #21 on their list of 20 free-agent QBs. That’s about 150 spots too high, IMHO.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
If we could snag Winston, I don’t think we would look at oline in rounds 1 or 3.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
seriously Debo Garrard sucks!
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Once we cut The Qitter, there will be onle once QB under contract. We need someone. Who else?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Lakers baby!
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If Gasoft doesn’t come bacj, we don’t have a chance to get out of the 1st rd.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
NFL.com ranks JaMarcus as #21 on their list of 20 free-agent QBs. That’s about 150 spots too high, IMHO.
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He’s gonna make a very strong push by April 10th.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
seriously Debo Garrard sucks!
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Once we cut The Qitter, there will be onle once QB under contract. We need someone. Who else?
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Actually there would be NO QB on the roster if we cut the quitter. Maybe we shouldn’t do that.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
J Hill Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Lakers baby!
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If Gasoft doesn’t come bacj, we don’t have a chance to get out of the 1st rd.
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he’ll be back, but how can you ever doubt kobe?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
He’s ranked #21 out of 20 FA QBs ?
DOUBLE ROFLMFAO
March 8th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
NFL.com ranks JaMarcus as #21 on their list of 20 free-agent QBs. That’s about 150 spots too high, IMHO.
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He’s gonna make a very strong push by April 10th.
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure he is. Just like his big comeback last year that resulted in exactly zero tryouts?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
whats up, silver?
thoughts on the draft?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Poor Jamarcus can’t even get ranked #20 out of 20 Qb’s lmao he’s ranked 21
HAHAHAGA HE’S A JOKE LIKE DEBO N MISTIC
March 8th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
893.jackasspuria Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
From NFL.com via Rotoworld.com:
NFL.com says the “more likely scenario” is that Carson Palmer refuses a pay cut and joins a weak free-agent quarterback market.
Palmer is due a $13 million salary, and there’s no way the cap-strapped Raiders would keep him at that price. Ian Rapoport says not to be shocked if Oakland cuts him, and Palmer lands a gig to compete with a “young up-and-comer” elsewhere. The Raiders would save just under $6 million in cap space by releasing Palmer.
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Chances are good he’s not going to get 13 million from anybody, free agent or not.
Bset case for the Raiders if he doesn’t take a pay cut is to work with his agent to trade him somewhere that he wants to go with his contract to be reworked by his new team. Not great odds there, but with the right team and situation it could happen and we would at least recoup something.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
jackasspuria Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
From NFL.com via Rotoworld.com:
NFL.com says the “more likely scenario” is that Carson Palmer refuses a pay cut and joins a weak free-agent quarterback market.
Palmer is due a $13 million salary, and there’s no way the cap-strapped Raiders would keep him at that price. Ian Rapoport says not to be shocked if Oakland cuts him, and Palmer lands a gig to compete with a “young up-and-comer” elsewhere. The Raiders would save just under $6 million in cap space by releasing Palmer.
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If so, we REALLY need to snag Winston and draft Warmack.
Pryor’s gonna need a ton of time as he waits to find a wide open receiver to throw to.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
J Hill Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Lakers baby!
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If Gasoft doesn’t come bacj, we don’t have a chance to get out of the 1st rd
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by the way here’s how i envision our roster next year:
1st unit:
nash
bryant
metta
millsap
howard
2nd unit:
devin harris
meeks
corey brewer
clark
hill
March 8th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
wouldn’t Eric Winston be expensive?
and isn’t he a ZBS product, that we just went away from?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
If we could snag Winston, I don’t think we would look at oline in rounds 1 or 3.
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I would. Dallas won those rings because they had the best o-line in football… contrary to popular opinion.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
If McK drafts a short armed 3 tech like Floyd at #3 ahead of players like Dion Jordan and Star on the defensive side.
Then it will be a huge mistake!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Blackbeard,
how about a package deal?
Palmer & McClain to AZ in exchange for DT Dan Williams and a 2nd rounder?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
wouldn’t Eric Winston be expensive?
and isn’t he a ZBS product, that we just went away from?
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Who cares? He only allowed three sacks last year!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
he’ll be back, but how can you ever doubt kobe?
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Who’s doubting Kobe?????
Nash and Howard though?????
They suck.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
NFL.com ranks JaMarcus as #21 on their list of 20 free-agent QBs. That’s about 150 spots too high, IMHO.
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He’s gonna make a very strong push by April 10th.
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the only strong push he going to make it on the toilet.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
916.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Blackbeard,
how about a package deal?
Palmer & McClain to AZ in exchange for DT Dan Williams and a 2nd rounder?
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ROLANDO McClain?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Blackbeard,
how about a package deal?
Palmer & McClain to AZ in exchange for DT Dan Williams and a 2nd rounder?
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We can all dream.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
NFL.com ranks JaMarcus as #21 on their list of 20 free-agent QBs. That’s about 150 spots too high, IMHO.
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He’s gonna make a very strong push by April 10th.
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure he is. Just like his big comeback last year that resulted in exactly zero tryouts?
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Last year he wouldn’t have even been on this list. Baby steps.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Gdog,
the system/scheme often makes or breaks O-Liners
I acknowledge that EW is a good ZBS Tackle, but that doesn’t mean he’ll be a good PBS Tackle.
I would hate to pay a guy king’s ransom and have him put up Khalif Barnes type results, ya know?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
wouldn’t Eric Winston be expensive?
and isn’t he a ZBS product, that we just went away from?
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He came from the texans like brisel correct? Yikes!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
ROLANDO McClain?
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Blackbeard, yes
McClain for Williams would be swapping one 2010 draft bust for another. DW would be cheaper and doesn’t have off-field issues. Plus I don’t think he fit Ken Whiz 3-4 defense very well. He’s a 4-3 DT who can play the nose. might be a cheap replacement for Dick Seymour. Might be better to shop #55 in a package deal than just by himself. Like you said, the team that acquires him can always re-work his contract upon arrival
March 8th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Jhill,
I have no hope for the lakers. Our only chance is to hope Jimmy buss pulls his head out of his azz and hires Phil, or the rest of the buss children take Jimmy out of control and put Jeanie in charge and she hires her hubby this offseason.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
If we end up trading Palmer to Az, Clev, or the Jets if he doesn’t take a paycut, then I guess the Org has a lot more confidence in Pryor that most of thought.
I don’t see why we couldn’t get at least what SF got for Smith.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
913.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
wouldn’t Eric Winston be expensive?
and isn’t he a ZBS product, that we just went away from?
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His contract with KC wasn’t for much more than $5 mill per year. We can get him in with a cap friendly/back loaded deal.
KC doesn’t run a ZBS and he was still pretty damn effective opening holes for their backs. ZBS or PBS doesn’t mean d1ck when you are discussing pass protection. They are terms used for run blocking schemes.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Jhill, what would the cap hit be if we traded Palmer? Any idea? Is it the same as if we cut him?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
916.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Blackbeard,
how about a package deal?
Palmer & McClain to AZ in exchange for DT Dan Williams and a 2nd rounder?
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Well, I am on record as saying that we should do everything we can to keep Palmer on the roster. I want more than anything to see Pryor succeed, but I’m not as optimistic as some that he will. And, as Seymour Bush has astutely pointed out several times, that could be a problem if he’s the best we have going into the season.
If trading him (or releasing him ) turns out to be the only two options we have, then we get what we can.
If Ar5izona is dumb enough to do a deal like that, then I would get it done quickly so they don’t have time to reconsider.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Winston can’t be worse than barnes. Right?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
We need a backup QB, man.
I still think Jason Campbell would be a GREAT option to back up Pryor.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Is Goodson a FA?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
929.Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Jhill, what would the cap hit be if we traded Palmer? Any idea? Is it the same as if we cut him?
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Yes, non of Palmers salary is guaranteed so the dead money charge if we trade or cut him is just the bonus acceleration. If we cut him we could give him the June 1 designation and split his hit over 2 years, but if we trade him I don’t believe that is an option. Either way even with his dead money, it is a substantial savings ($6 million)
March 8th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Goody is a FA, but I see him getting redone pretty quickly. He is pretty effective as a change of pace guy, and he looked a heck of a lot better as a receiver than DMAC did last year. He is only going to cost peanuts to retain.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
929.Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Jhill, what would the cap hit be if we traded Palmer? Any idea? Is it the same as if we cut him?
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Yes, non of Palmers salary is guaranteed so the dead money charge if we trade or cut him is just the bonus acceleration. If we cut him we could give him the June 1 designation and split his hit over 2 years, but if we trade him I don’t believe that is an option. Either way even with his dead money, it is a substantial savings ($6 million)
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And then what qb do we sign for $6 million to replace Palmer?
Or do we just start Pryor and admit we are tanking 2013, and in that case why hold on to anyone with a high salary?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
J Hill Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
We need a backup QB, man.
I still think Jason Campbell would be a GREAT option to back up Pryor.
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aahhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahha hhahahahahahahaha
lmao
can the 3rd string be bruce gradkowski?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
If we had a 2nd rounder I wouldn’t mind gambling on geno in round 1 or on Barkley in round 2.
Damn, I hate it when we don’t have draft picks!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Bcz24 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
929.Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Jhill, what would the cap hit be if we traded Palmer? Any idea? Is it the same as if we cut him?
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Yes, non of Palmers salary is guaranteed so the dead money charge if we trade or cut him is just the bonus acceleration. If we cut him we could give him the June 1 designation and split his hit over 2 years, but if we trade him I don’t believe that is an option. Either way even with his dead money, it is a substantial savings ($6 million)
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And then what qb do we sign for $6 million to replace Palmer?
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With the Dolphins reupping Matt Moore you have to wonder what Vinny Testaverde is doing these days.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
J Hill Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
I don’t see why we couldn’t get at least what SF got for Smith.
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1. The losing.
2. The turnovers.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
And then what qb do we sign for $6 million to replace Palmer?
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Glo for 2 million, and a RT for the change.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
And then what qb do we sign for $6 million to replace Palmer?
Or do we just start Pryor and admit we are tanking 2013, and in that case why hold on to anyone with a high salary?
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Exactly why I can’t see us dumping Palmer like so many believe will happen.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Despite being completely wasted at game time Todd marinovich had a better rookie debut than Pryor.
Just sayin…..
March 8th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
can the 3rd string be bruce gradkowski?
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Glo wouldn’t like that.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
If we had a 2nd rounder I wouldn’t mind gambling on geno in round 1 or on Barkley in round 2.
Damn, I hate it when we don’t have draft picks!
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you suggest paying palmer 13 mill this year 15 mill next? if he won’t restructure and we cut him it’s a 9 mill dollar cap hit spread over two years so we’d save about 9 mill this year (correct me if i’m wrong). you could do quite a bit with 9 mill, and we don’t know if pryor will be good or not
March 8th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Despite being completely wasted at game time Todd marinovich had a better rookie debut than Pryor.
Just sayin…..
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Marinovich. Now that’s MY definition of a drug addict.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Despite being completely wasted at game time Todd marinovich had a better rookie debut than Pryor.
Just sayin…..
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That ain’t good.
March 8th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
i’d take palmer over any of the guys available in free agency and i’d prefer him stay and start over pryor until pryor, if he ever get’s there, becomes ready. but you’d keep him for 13 mill this year and 15 mill next if he doesn’t restructure?
March 8th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
The Kansas City Chiefs have a new coach, a new general manager — and plenty of new season-ticket holders.
New season sales are up 112 percent over this time last year, according to figures provided to The Associated Press on Friday.
The Raiders should take a page out of their book! Maybe Mt. Davis would still be open!
I say Dumb and Dumber gives Chubby Checker this year to reach .500 (or better) and if he fails…he could do the Limbo Rock and twist his way outta Oakland!!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Despite being completely wasted at game time Todd marinovich had a better rookie debut than Pryor.
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He was in his comfort zone.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
gotta love marinovich, that 30 for 30 was bada$$
March 8th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Palmer will restructure. I hope. If he doesn’t, we still have cap space and other players that could be restructured or cut to help with the cap and still keep Palmer.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
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March 8th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Despite being completely wasted at game time Todd marinovich had a better rookie debut than Pryor.
Just sayin…..
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and both were better than Palmer’s Raider debut.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Jake long
Eric Winston or
Andre smith?
Lots of great options to upgrade the tackle spot….
March 8th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Afternoon, all!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Whoknows Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Despite being completely wasted at game time Todd marinovich had a better rookie debut than Pryor.
Just sayin…..
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and both were better than Palmer’s Raider debut.
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Touché!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 am
I find it interesting that Reggie is trying to correct his mistakes..
1) Seymour. Paid him $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave
1b) now Seymour is gone, despite the big cap hit “dead money”
2) Brisiel. was his “splash” FA signing a year ago
2b) restructured contract
3) Branch. was his tagged player of choice last year, followed by long term deal making him one of the league’s highest paid safeties
3b) restructured contract
Reggie’s own contracts are still here. He inherited Seymour & McClain – who are gone.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Palmer, Huff & Kelly. BigMac inherited those contracts too, but restructured all 3 to vet minimum last year to get under the cap – like he did with Seymour, who is now back to bull rushing trees again in his backyard
I’d be surprised if DHB is retained at any amount. Like Branch, you’re kind of surprised when he makes a play. You think to yourself “was that really him??”
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I’m never surprised when DHB makes a play. I trust him way more than Moore at this point.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Go warriors! Can’t believe I am scoreboard watching to get the 8th seed!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:58 am
How is Dennis Allen a bad coach again?
Epsecially being that vets and rooks and people all over the league have repsect for him and claim he will turn this thing around?
You all say he sucks, but the same also say palmer does and the roster and system and so on.
So how could you just blame everything?
idiots.
AL Davis syndrome.
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How is Dennis Allen a bad coach again ?
Well, to start with, he had one of the worst HC debuts imaginable.
With the exception of doing a good job managing timeouts, using challenges, and initially reducing penalties – he was horrific.
It wasn’t just the extremely weak 4-12 record. It was the almost weekly BLOWOUTS. Hue Jax deservedly gets blasted for getting blown out in GB and Miami. Tits Allen was far worse.
There’s no way a HC that knows what he’s doing and is in charge of the team, allows the Gregg Krapp FIASCO to continue for an entire year. Inexcusable. It’s the HC’s responsibility to at least make an attempt to correct a glaring problem. Tits should have seen the disaster coming as early as the pre-season game in Arizona and acted. Instead Tits twiddled his thumbs and as late as week 15, Krapp was still talking about how the ZBS would work next season with the same players. Laughable incompetence.
Tits got caught with his pants down and had not prepared a backup long-snapper when Condo went down. Some people give him a pass for this, I don’t – but the worst part of that debacle was that Tits LIED about it. Said that Goethel had practiced snapping and was prepared, Goethel says he didn’t practice. Can you say ‘no credibility’ ?
What kind of HC actually smiles after getting his azz handed to him by a divisional rival ? Some Raider fans don’t think this matters. I do. I can’t support a HC that’s happier for his former boss than he is pissed off about his own team getting smoked. John Fox made Tits his b1tch and Tits smiles about it ? NOT RAIDER MATERIAL.
What kind of HC wants to start Matt Lice instead of TP in a lost season after CP went down ? There’s really something wrong with your thinking and indicative that you have no vision for the team when you make that sort of mistake.
Tits Allen is also a bland, lifeless, milquetoast.
The very definition of uninspiring.
I’d like to believe that the people that respect Tits and think he’s going to be a good HC one day are right.
But from what I’ve seen he’s a STINKING TURD and should have been sent packing with Krapp.
I will not be surprised to see Sparano acting as interim HC before 2013 is over.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Lakers are .500 with 20 games remaining
Go Warriors, Rockets & Jazz!!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
That Reggie sure does like to take his time. If things don’t work out with the Raiders maybe he can get a job writing for this blog.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
huge month for the nation…
March 8th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Dennis Allen did nothing to inspire confidence in his abilities. Record amounts of blow out losses. Tom cable-like blowouts.
Smh
March 8th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/51088884/ns/sports-nfl/page/2/
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Good stuff.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Tyler Bray reminds me of Ryan Mallett …
huuuuuuuuuuge arm, can stand tall in the pocket, and likes to fire away and thorw to spaces.
Wouldn’t mind him in later rounds like 5th if he somehow feel there
March 8th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
959.Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Go warriors! Can’t believe I am scoreboard watching to get the 8th seed!
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Dakota,
Wondering if you read an article I posted awhile back. It was an interview with Kupchak where he admitted that the Lakers got away from their normal, patient way of doing things and, in his (paraphrased) words, panicked a little and tried to buy themselves another ring before Mr. Buss passed on. Said it really bit them in the a*s.
Eerily similar to the last few years of Al’s life, especially the way he went all-in during the uncapped year.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
I’m never surprised when DHB makes a play. I trust him way more than Moore at this point.
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That says alot about how FAR Moore plummeted
March 8th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
New Tweet
SBreport @SBreport
NFL Network’s @RapSheet believes Carson Palmer may “see the writing on the wall” and prefer to enter free agency as its top available QB.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Matt Cassel, Rex Grossman, Drew Stanton or Tyler Thigpen … that is who will be signed to compete with Pryor
then we’ll add another vet journeyman 3rd string clipboard holder to “mentor”.
Somebody like Kellen Clemens, Luke McCown, Derek Anderson or David Carr …
March 8th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
3 hrs Asher Mathews @AsherMathews
RT @dpbrugler #Raiders OL coach Tony Sparano putting Luke Joeckel and Patrick Lewis thru OL workouts
Luke said raiders meet with him today.. Damontre moore last night
March 8th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Dakota,
Wondering if you read an article I posted awhile back. It was an interview with Kupchak where he admitted that the Lakers got away from their normal, patient way of doing things and, in his (paraphrased) words, panicked a little and tried to buy themselves another ring before Mr. Buss passed on. Said it really bit them in the a*s.
Eerily similar to the last few years of Al’s life, especially the way he went all-in during the uncapped year.
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his last couple of years looked to be his best in a while. bryant, houston, moore, veldheer, wiz, campbell for a fourth, ford
March 8th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
959.Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Go warriors! Can’t believe I am scoreboard watching to get the 8th seed!
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Dakota,
Wondering if you read an article I posted awhile back. It was an interview with Kupchak where he admitted that the Lakers got away from their normal, patient way of doing things and, in his (paraphrased) words, panicked a little and tried to buy themselves another ring before Mr. Buss passed on. Said it really bit them in the a*s.
Eerily similar to the last few years of Al’s life, especially the way he went all-in during the uncapped year.
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No I didn’t, but there is a big difference, al’s way had not worked for more than a quarter century….he just got even worse at the end. The lakers may have panicked, but firing brown was fine…..not hiring Phil was the mistake.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Dane Brugler @dpbrugler
#Raiders HC Dennis Allen, a former Texas A&M Aggie, is here as well.
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wait till Manziel comes out next year.. will be a circus.. plus u have Teddy Bridgewater.. and Clowney.. and Murray etc
March 8th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
then we’ll add another vet journeyman 3rd string clipboard holder to “mentor”.
Somebody like Kellen Clemens, Luke McCown, Derek Anderson or David Car
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Reggies drafting a qb this draft whether it be Geno, Bray, Matt Scott who is rining through the draft boards or some 5th round guy
March 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
RT @evansilva: With Matt Moore signed, top FA QBs: 1. J. Campbell 2. D. Garrard 3. C. Daniel 4. Drew Stanton 5. Josh Johnson 6. Vince Young.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Matt Cassel, Rex Grossman, Drew Stanton or Tyler Thigpen … that is who will be signed to compete with Pryor
then we’ll add another vet journeyman 3rd string clipboard holder to “mentor”.
Somebody like Kellen Clemens, Luke McCown, Derek Anderson or David Carr …
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Can you say 0-16?
March 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
972.inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Dakota,
Wondering if you read an article I posted awhile back. It was an interview with Kupchak where he admitted that the Lakers got away from their normal, patient way of doing things and, in his (paraphrased) words, panicked a little and tried to buy themselves another ring before Mr. Buss passed on. Said it really bit them in the a*s.
Eerily similar to the last few years of Al’s life, especially the way he went all-in during the uncapped year.
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his last couple of years looked to be his best in a while. bryant, houston, moore, veldheer, wiz, campbell for a fourth, ford
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Agreed. I maintain that it was because he had no money to spend, and had to do it that way.
There were a lot of articles out in the last year or so of Al’s life, stating that the team was broke and had no money to spend in the FA market. Al shot his wad in the uncapped year. Having no money to throw at free agents at the end there may have been the best thing for the franchise in retrospect.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Carson could easily get a 4th.. but not with that contract IMO
im sure teams will just wait for him to be cut if he is
March 8th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Technically FA starts tuesday..
but PFT says it really starts at midnight tonight. PLAYERS AGents can talk to teams and draw up the “CONTRACTS” just cant officially sign till tuesday
so ya in a sense FA starts tonight
March 8th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
How is Dennis Allen a bad coach again ?
Well, to start with, he had one of the worst HC debuts imaginable.
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Down 10-6 at the half isn’t the worst HC debut imaginable.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Carson Palmer is gone, Geno is all but drafted.
Can we stop talking about this now and get a head start on the preseason QB battle between Geno and TP?
March 8th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
How is Dennis Allen a bad coach again ?
Well, to start with, he had one of the worst HC debuts imaginable.
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Down 10-6 at the half isn’t the worst HC debut imaginable.
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Getting schooled because you had no back up long-snapper but kept on trying to punt it is though.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Dakota Says:
Palmer will restructure. I hope. If he doesn’t, we still have cap space and other players that could be restructured or cut to help with the cap and still keep Palmer.
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Does Carson Palmer really need to take a pay cut?
By Levi Damien on Mar 8 2013
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/8/4078342/does-carson-palmer-really-need-to-take-a-pay-cut-oakland-raiders
March 8th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
No I didn’t, but there is a big difference, al’s way had not worked for more than a quarter century….he just got even worse at the end. The lakers may have panicked, but firing brown was fine…..not hiring Phil was the mistake.
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Yeah, I was referring to the end of Al’s reign there where it seemed that the approach was over the top, even for him. Sort of a desperation approach, knowing the end was near.
The Lakers had always been known for prudence and their patience, and knowing when to pull the trigger. Departing from that (according to Kupchak) was a mistake. Just thought there were some similarities, both in the approach and the result.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Eric Winston played “#3 level RT” play last year, and they still went 2-14, and now cut him.
I have ZERO interest in paying a RT a bunch of money so he can provide more time for Carson to throw it to the wrong team.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
982.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Carson Palmer is gone, Geno is all but drafted.
Can we stop talking about this now and get a head start on the preseason QB battle between Geno and TP?
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Sorry, but did I miss the draft? Who else did we get?
March 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Just sign Woodson, Avril, freeny, Ed reed, Dorsey, Jake long, cook, walker, Wallace and Steven Jackson.
Come on Reggie!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Carson Palmer is gone, Geno is all but drafted.
Can we stop talking about this now and get a head start on the preseason QB battle between Geno and TP?
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I wont admit that is true until it happens. I prefer to hope for the positive. You know, like not wasting a first round pick again.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Harrison from Pitt gonna be cut
Saftely Delmas is out of Detroit gonna be a FA..
March 8th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Eric Winston played “#3 level RT” play last year, and they still went 2-14, and now cut him.
I have ZERO interest in paying a RT a bunch of money so he can provide more time for Carson to throw it to the wrong team.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
That’s funny.
Start TP:
1- the kid can play and we have a young franchise QB
Or
2- he can’t play, and we have a chance to draft Clowney or a good QB and a better prospect that Geno Smith.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Just sign Woodson, Avril, freeny, Ed reed, Dorsey, Jake long, cook, walker, Wallace and Steven Jackson.
Come on Reggie!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Who is Walker?
March 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
I may have to start making lists again.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Just sign Woodson, Avril, freeny, Ed reed, Dorsey, Jake long, cook, walker, Wallace and Steven Jackson.
Come on Reggie!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Who is Walker?
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He’s a Texas Ranger.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Can you say 0-16?
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SeyGlenn,
I’ll take Drew Stanton to compete with Pryor & Luke McCown as the vet mentor / QB Coach type
Stanton (28yo) 5 years NFL experience. McCown (31yo) 9 years
Drew had a few solid starts subbing for Stafford if I recall. Last time I saw Luke throw a football was like 2007 in Tampa
March 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Welker….
March 8th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
RT @evansilva: With Matt Moore signed, top FA QBs: 1. J. Campbell 2. D. Garrard 3. C. Daniel 4. Drew Stanton 5. Josh Johnson 6. Vince Young.
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Taking $4 million to back up Cutler last year is looking like a brilliant move by JC. Sign Garrard tonight!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
What if #Raiders cut Carson Palmer: Due $13M, $0 guaranteed. Have $2.3M in outstanding proration per year over 4=$9M cap charge over 2 years
Retweeted by SBreport
March 8th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
With Matt Moore signed, top FA QBs: 1. J. Campbell 2. D. Garrard 3. C. Daniel 4. Drew Stanton 5. Josh Johnson 6. Vince Young
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I’ll wait for Matt Cassel to be cut before I run out and sign guys like Campbell, Garrard & Young
March 8th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
RT @evansilva: With Matt Moore signed, top FA QBs: 1. J. Campbell 2. D. Garrard 3. C. Daniel 4. Drew Stanton 5. Josh Johnson 6. Vince Young.
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Thats an ugly list, ugh
March 8th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
What if #Raiders cut Carson Palmer: Due $13M, $0 guaranteed. Have $2.3M in outstanding proration per year over 4=$9M cap charge over 2 years
Retweeted by SBreport
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Palmer has zero guaranteed? I seriously doubt that.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Eric Winston played “#3 level RT” play last year, and they still went 2-14, and now cut him.
I have ZERO interest in paying a RT a bunch of money so he can provide more time for Carson to throw it to the wrong team.
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What that settles it for sure! We need to get Winston under contract NOW!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Release Palmer, start TP and sign Troy Smith to back him up!
Draft a QB next year and start this years draft on the Defensive side of the ball!!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
999.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
With Matt Moore signed, top FA QBs: 1. J. Campbell 2. D. Garrard 3. C. Daniel 4. Drew Stanton 5. Josh Johnson 6. Vince Young
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I’ll wait for Matt Cassel to be cut before I run out and sign guys like Campbell, Garrard & Young
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This list reinforces just how important it is to try and make something work with Carson Palmer. I sincerely hope we can. Don’t want any of those guys.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
RT @evansilva: With Matt Moore signed, top FA QBs: 1. J. Campbell 2. D. Garrard 3. C. Daniel 4. Drew Stanton 5. Josh Johnson 6. Vince Young.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
CP has trade value.
Jets, Cads, and Vikings should be interested (if he doesn’t want to reduce his cap hit).
March 8th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Rumors abound that Carson may refuse a paycut and play chicken with Reggie?
not surprised.
the guy just said he wants to stay in Oakland and “compete” a few days ago
March 8th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Still cant believe Huff is still here at 8 million a year.. well 4 bonus but still
March 8th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Carson Palmer is gone, Geno is all but drafted.
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You might be right, but I don’t see EITHER happening.
I’m thinking Regina gets CP to accept a very modest pay cut.
As much as I think it’s time to move on from CP, I will not be very disappointed if he returns for another year.
I’ll be more disappointed if the Raids draft Geno. Don’t think he’s going to do much in the NFL.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Wow, someone who is not a complete moron!
…quote….
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The hard line alternative would be cutting him which would saddle the Raiders with $9.3 million being paid to a player who is no longer on the team. It’s one thing to pay big money to your current players. It’s entirely another to pay for someone who is not.
Would it be great for the Raiders if Carson Palmer took a pay cut? Sure. Is it critical to the Raiders financial situation that he do it? Absolutely not.
It is far more sensible to re-visit the idea next year when he is set to receive a higher salary with less dead money if he’s cut.
…end quote….
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/8/4078342/does-carson-palmer-really-need-to-take-a-pay-cut-oakland-raiders
March 8th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RediaR Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Raider O Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Just sign Woodson, Avril, freeny, Ed reed, Dorsey, Jake long, cook, walker, Wallace and Steven Jackson.
Come on Reggie!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Who is Walker?
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He’s a Texas Ranger.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Sign him!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
I just can’t see McKenzie going wild and signing a bunch of high priced free agents, not his style.
It will be a lot like last year, try to find value with second tier guys. Build through the draft.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Palmer has zero guaranteed? I seriously doubt that.
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What??
That is pretty well known to everyone not named Gdog.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
TP and Geno smith will NOT be on the same roster.
write that down.
Absolutley rediculous, makes NO sense.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
alots of media guys like Ian rapport on twitter right now.. hearing the rumblings.
Palmer will not be a Raider next year
Even Ed Werner said on 95.7 the game.. at the combine he was told the team is prepared at least this year to Roll with PRYOR and told OC to get him ready
which would explain all the pictures guys like FORD, Pryor, Dmoore posting.. and the league hasnt even begun yet till tues. They have been working since feb 1
March 8th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Russell Wilson and Matt Flynn
IR’GIII and Kirk Cousins
Roll the dice with two, one pans out you trade the other later.
It is “the wave of the future” for NFL Gm’s.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
yeah let palmer cash that check for 1 more year. soup kitchens still open..
March 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000148921/report-philadelphia-eagles-to-target-dashon-goldson/
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This would be a great move by Philly. I wish we could get this dude.
March 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
NFL Trade Rumors @nfltrade_rumors
Raiders Could Be Getting Closer To Releasing QB Carson Palmer 2hrs ago
March 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Patrick Chung is a FA too
March 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Russell Wilson and Matt Flynn
IR’GIII and Kirk Cousins
Roll the dice with two, one pans out you trade the other later.
It is “the wave of the future” for NFL Gm’s.
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Sure, Just not this year. Wait until next year when there is some legit QB’s to draft.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
The whole Carson Palmer story is going to be hella entertaining. I still think theres a 80% chance he restructures. But at least it will make teams eyeing Geno sweat a couple of weeks.
For the record: Geno aint going in the top 10.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Levi Damian says it’s a 9.3M cap hit if we cut Palmer.
Also, most of the media guys don’t know any more than we do.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
I would love Aaron Murray next year, but I think Geno can play at this level.
Much more confident in him than TP.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Tyler Hunt @Raiderpedia
Carson Palmer would count as $9.34M in dead money if cut. The move would create $5.995M of cap room for Oakland. Needs to restructure Or bye
March 8th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Tyler Hunt @Raiderpedia
Carson Palmer would count as $9.34M in dead money if cut. The move would create $5.995M of cap room for Oakland. Needs to restructure Or bye
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Total or on top of we have already?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
IR’GIII and Kirk Cousins
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good one
March 8th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
ryan Perez @FirstRoundGrade
In Ithaca, NY for Cornell pro day. Tretter likely to rest on combine numbers. Only doing positional drills. Could be day 3 OG.
Bryan Perez @FirstRoundGrade
13 teams here, including raiders GM Reggie Mckenzie.
Raiders will also be at CA. (PA) pro day on Monday
Saftey Rontez Miles
March 8th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
1024.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Tyler Hunt @Raiderpedia
Carson Palmer would count as $9.34M in dead money if cut. The move would create $5.995M of cap room for Oakland. Needs to restructure Or bye
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You could create more cap room than that by restructuring Kelly and DHB.
Releasing Palmer could happen, but it’s not the foregone conclusion that some of you are hoping for.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
@ ray
on top of we have already
March 8th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Russell Wilson and Matt Flynn
IR’GIII and Kirk Cousins
Roll the dice with two, one pans out you trade the other later.
It is “the wave of the future” for NFL Gm’s.
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Sure, Just not this year. Wait until next year when there is some legit QB’s to draft.
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I agree. TP can start with the capable veteran (Garrard) behind him. If TP works, great. If not, Garrard mops up and we try to get Bridgewater, Manziel or Murray next year.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
It is pretty simple with Palmer’s contract, tried to explain it to GDog who fought it all along and was completely 110% wrong.
$13 million salary (non-guaranteed), 2.3+ per year pro-ration of signing bonus (cap hit if on roster with that contract = $15+ million.
Cut him, no salary, 2.3+ million per year X 4 years of acceleration of life of contract = 9.3 in dead cap space.
Can spread it over two years, with no less than 2.3+ going in one year, the rest in the next.
Not rocket science.
He is as good as gone.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
r8eray Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Tyler Hunt @Raiderpedia
Carson Palmer would count as $9.34M in dead money if cut. The move would create $5.995M of cap room for Oakland. Needs to restructure Or bye
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Total or on top of we have already
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it should be more than that shouldn’t it? if it’s 9.34 spread over two years it’s 4.67 /year when he’s owed 13 mill so 13 mill minus 4.67 is 8.33, or am i wrong somewhere?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
You could create more cap room than that by restructuring Kelly and DHB.
Releasing Palmer could happen, but it’s not the foregone conclusion that some of you are hoping for.
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I concur
March 8th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Jfb,
I keep seeing a $9 million dollar cap hit number…..none of that is guaranteed money?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Carson Palmer is gone, Geno is all but drafted.
Can we stop talking about this now and get a head start on the preseason QB battle between Geno and TP?
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We’re not drafting Geno Smith and you know it.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
1031… I see.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
The reason I think he is gone cuz he wont take a pay cut
2. Reggie is not gonna make the same mistake he did with seymour.. kept him 1 yrs to much and paid him 15 million dollars. Took like 5 games off to hamstring.. Paid him for nothing really
March 8th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
It is the acceleration of his signing bonus from last years restructure.
He already got the money last August.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
The only thing JFB is good at is being wrong.
A waste of pixels.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
ProFootballTalk@ProFootballTalk
John Abraham has a visit with 49ers lined up, after today’s trip to Seattle http://wp.me/p14QSB-7zLM
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
March 8th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
every single player knows that they underperformed and anyone overpaid and not willing to take a pay cut is a check casher and should be shipped out the door with everyone else we shipped.. your garbage get out..
March 8th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Adam Caplan@caplannfl
With Moore off the market, Brian Hoyer and Chase Daniel are the top free agent QBs. Tyler Thigpen also should get some attention.
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
March 8th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Jfb,
I keep seeing a $9 million dollar cap hit number…..none of that is guaranteed money?
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Fire Boy is playing semantics games. It WAS guaranteed money. It is now considered dead money.
And he is wrong that Palmer is as good as gone.
Reggie is playing games right now… not sure what he is after. But cutting Palmer to save 6 mill while he is restructuring other veterans makes no sense. You don’t just have kind of a fire sale.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
wow these two guys have totally different views of who the top fa qb’s are, sounds like the same debate waged daily in here. racism?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
this isn’t the first time our locker room has filled up with cancers check cashersand highly paid players with low production and no real leadership ability.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
It WAS guaranteed money.
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Who’s “playing semantics”???
You were trying to tell us we owe Carson 2.3 million in ACTUAL dollars every year going into 2016, lol.
A signing bonus of course is/was guaranteed. You get the check when you sign. In reality, it isn’t even guaranteed, it is paid out, no need to guarantee it unless the check is bad.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
So we are already under the cap, and once dhb, Kelly and McClain are taken care of we will be even more under the cap, so the only reason to cut Palmer is to save some money and cap space, but given the available qbs, then it guarantees we have a horrible season again…
…..cut Palmer and we have zero hope in 2013. How much does that really save you when the stadium is empty?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
1044.inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
wow these two guys have totally different views of who the top fa qb’s are, sounds like the same debate waged daily in here. racism?
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That entire group is awful. Does it really matter who someone thiinks is the best?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Adam Caplan@caplannfl
With Moore off the market, Brian Hoyer and Chase Daniel are the top free agent QBs. Tyler Thigpen also should get some attention.
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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No mention of JC huh? He’s not better than Tyler Thigpen?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Adam Caplan@caplannfl
With Moore off the market, Brian Hoyer and Chase Daniel are the top free agent QBs. Tyler Thigpen also should get some attention.
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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Jesus Cripes pay Palmer!
March 8th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
People should be listening to Hue Douglas on Coach and Company right now.
Said if you don’t have a QB, you have “NOTHING”.
Said he thinks teams should pay the QB half the salary cap number, the rest of the team the other half.
From a defensive player no less.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
I doubt the stadium would be empty with pryor.. and esepcially if you have a good draft
couldnt be much worse then last year.. got 2 gimme games against the chiefts .. and 5 field goals in 1 game against them
had to claw and fight to beat a 3 win team in JaX OVertime. The rest was a wasted season
March 8th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
1044.inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
wow these two guys have totally different views of who the top fa qb’s are, sounds like the same debate waged daily in here. racism?
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That entire group is awful. Does it really matter who someone thiinks is the best
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just intersting that one guy lists cambpell garrard and vince young with the other guy listing chase daniels and tyler thigpen. i’d think chase and jason should be on such a list, wouldn’t you?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
How about Carson’s complete panic-move, underhand “pass” INT in the Jax game last year?
I am sure a moderate upgrade at RT will fix that.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
So we are already under the cap, and once dhb, Kelly and McClain are taken care of we will be even more under the cap, so the only reason to cut Palmer is to save some money and cap space, but given the available qbs, then it guarantees we have a horrible season again…
…..cut Palmer and we have zero hope in 2013. How much does that really save you when the stadium is empty?
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I am trying to figure that one out too? I guess they are all operating under the assumption that Reggie is as moronic as they are.
If we are sitting at 0-12 and there are 15K people in the stadium watching Pryor going 10 for 27, what value is that 6 million cap savings?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Reading some of the comments makes it seem like a foregone concluson palmer will be gone next year? haven’t heard anything about that. anyone got an update?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
lol at 0-12 as opposesed to 1-11 with palmer right?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If this is true, guess some of you are ok with being even worse next year? At least we could have first pick in the draft……
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If we are sitting at 0-12 and there are 15K people in the stadium watching Pryor going 10 for 27, what value is that 6 million cap savings?
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I’ll take the cap space, over being 2-10 in front of 30K people watching Carson flop around.
Because, unlike your fictious scenario, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
I doubt the stadium would be empty with pryor.. and esepcially if you have a good draft
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Good draft? Fire Boy wants us to draft Geno! How is he going to plug the 8-9 other holes we have on the team?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
The whole Carson Palmer story is going to be hella entertaining. I still think theres a 80% chance he restructures. But at least it will make teams eyeing Geno sweat a couple of weeks.
For the record: Geno aint going in the top 10.
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I was surprised to see Casserly and Boner-dinger have him going # 7 to Arizona.
First legit guys (outside of Gil Brandt maybe) that have Geno in their top 10.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Lol, Pryor starting is going to fill the stands? Yeah, okay.
You mean the guy who threw for 150 yards after two years in the NFL?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
1053.inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
edward teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
1044.inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
wow these two guys have totally different views of who the top fa qb’s are, sounds like the same debate waged daily in here. racism?
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That entire group is awful. Does it really matter who someone thiinks is the best
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just intersting that one guy lists cambpell garrard and vince young with the other guy listing chase daniels and tyler thigpen. i’d think chase and jason should be on such a list, wouldn’t you?
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Campbell’s afraid of his own shadow. Garrard hasn’t been healthy for a long time. VY is a documented head case. Thigpen hasn’t done anything, and Daniels’ claim to fame is that he’s Drew Brees’ backup, and Hoyer is Brady’s. They all suck. It’s a reporter’s opinion regarding who sucks the least. I really don’t think it matters who’s number one and who’s number seven.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Let’s face it, We are all a bunch of fans (actually fanatics to be specific) who are all just sick and tired of the last decade.
I will gladly be wrong about anything I think is going to happen as far as QB predictions etc; if it means the Raiders are going to get this program going in the right direction and start to make us fans proud of our once well respected team.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
believe me.. most fans were not coming to the stadium to watch Palmer play
everyone in the parking lots where when is PRYOR gonna play?? It would be DMAC/ PRYOR/ Ford/ DMOORE show and whomever else we draft on offense
March 8th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If we are sitting at 0-12 and there are 15K people in the stadium watching Pryor going 10 for 27, what value is that 6 million cap savings?
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I’ll take the cap space, over being 2-10 in front of 30K people watching Carson flop around.
Because, unlike your fictious scenario, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
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We shall see I guess!
All I know is I am glad you are nowhere near the Raider front office. lol
March 8th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
You mean the guy who threw for 150 yards after two years in the NFL?
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and two days of full practice with the 1st teamers… how long has Leinart been in the league?? ya not so easy without 1st team reps huh?? ask him
March 8th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
RT @evansilva: With Matt Moore signed, top FA QBs: 1. J. Campbell 2. D. Garrard 3. C. Daniel 4. Drew Stanton 5. Josh Johnson 6. Vince Young.
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Ok..I see JC is on Schefter’s list at least.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Living in San Diego I only went to the game down here last year to see Pryor. Had it been Palmer or lienert I would have passed.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
You mean the guy who threw for 150 yards after two years in the NFL?
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3/3 in the RZ… 1st time scoring on a touchdown drive in 5 weeks prior to that.
Palmer play against the chiefs.. netted 5 FG’s Thats not premire qb play. Gotta see what they have in pryor
March 8th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
1059.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If we are sitting at 0-12 and there are 15K people in the stadium watching Pryor going 10 for 27, what value is that 6 million cap savings?
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I’ll take the cap space, over being 2-10 in front of 30K people watching Carson flop around.
Because, unlike your fictious scenario, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
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true. and how can people assume we’d be so much worse with pryor. the offense looked pretty much the same with him in there. not necessarily better. but not worse either. scored more points than our avg. for the year too. 21 compare to 18ppg on the yr. i know “garbage time” right. wells, miami, denver both times, ravens,new orleans, san diego the first time, tampa, and cincy were all garbage time points too so if you’re gonna take points away from pryor might as well take points away from those too. that would lower our season avg. to probably 8-10 ppg. pretty pathetic no matter how u try and spin it.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
believe me.. most fans were not coming to the stadium to watch Palmer play
everyone in the parking lots where when is PRYOR gonna play?? It would be DMAC/ PRYOR/ Ford/ DMOORE show and whomever else we draft on offense
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Winning fills seats. The best chance to win is obviously CP. Pryor is too much of an unknown… and has obvious throwing issues to overcome.
If Reggie wants to tank next season, why did he bother restructuring contracts?
It makes no sense. Sorry.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Anyone saying Pryor should be the starter of Palmer should not say a word about signing any decent free agents. If you have no qb you have no chance.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
I don’t think this team is much worse (if at all) with Pryor leading. That said, I don’t care what happens as long as we don’t waste our 1st round pick on Geno Smith.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
1059.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If we are sitting at 0-12 and there are 15K people in the stadium watching Pryor going 10 for 27, what value is that 6 million cap savings?
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I’ll take the cap space, over being 2-10 in front of 30K people watching Carson flop around.
Because, unlike your fictious scenario, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
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true. and how can people assume we’d be so much worse with pryor. the offense looked pretty much the same with him in there. not necessarily better. but not worse either. scored more points than our avg. for the year too. 21 compare to 18ppg on the yr
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Name the time CP got the ball in the red zone from a blocked kick…
March 8th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
The best chance to win is obviously CP.
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that would be great if it actually happened more x’s then not. Palmer wont be here the following year IMO which is why all this cut palmer now is coming from.
Getting a fresh start.. and it gives reggie and DA time to say “rebuild”
March 8th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
1070.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
You mean the guy who threw for 150 yards after two years in the NFL?
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3/3 in the RZ… 1st time scoring on a touchdown drive in 5 weeks prior to that.
Palmer play against the chiefs.. netted 5 FG’s Thats not premire qb play. Gotta see what they have in pryor
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carson palmer threw for 182 yds in his last start against the chiefs, in his 9th yr in the nfl (8th as a starter) settled for 5 fgs against the worst team in the league. check please.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
it makes perfect sense. Sorry. I wish Palmer was better then he was. But he is not.
He was not worth a 1 and 2. Raiders got fleeced because we had no GM.. and a do whatever u want HC at the time.
The league should have blocked that horrible trade
March 8th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
The reason I think he is gone cuz he wont take a pay cut
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The reason I think he stays is bcz he will take a pay cut to something like 10 million, knowing he won’t get more than that from another team.
Easier to take the 10 million and stay, rather than testing the market, having to go elsewhere and possibly wind up getting less.
If Reggie is willing to pony up 4 mill for Briesel, he’ll come up with 10 for CP.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
carson palmer threw for 182 yds in his last start against the chiefs, in his 9th yr in the nfl (8th as a starter) settled for 5 fgs against the worst team in the league. check please.
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yep and he threw for like 150 against his ex team THE BENGALS.. u would think he would have showed them up… NAH
March 8th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Awesome.
Wheeler isn’t gonna want to stick around for Reggie’s fire sale team and either is anyone else w/ options.
Heck. it starting to look Palmer doesn’t even wanna part of this.
Palmer to the fans: “The feeling’s mutual dikfaces.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Well the Pryor fan club is in full force. The chances of intelligent conversation just hit ZERO.
Later fellows..
March 8th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Unknown>Known to not score
March 8th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
I understand. Our defense was wonderful wasn’t it? Receivers all top notch and DMAC had a career 3.3 ypc year and how many td’s again?
Yep.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Fk it I hope they cut Palmer and start Pryor. At least then I can come in here and ridicule the Pryor jock sniffers….if they have the courage to show up in here with the same handles lol.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Awesome.
Wheeler isn’t gonna want to stick around for Reggie’s fire sale team and either is anyone else w/ options.
Heck. it starting to look Palmer doesn’t even wanna part of this.
Palmer to the fans: “The feeling’s mutual dikfaces.
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Ya think ANYONE will stay here, or come here? To an 2-14 team?
Boy that added cap space will sure be handy when we hire Tyler Thigpen as our best acquisition!!
March 8th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
1075.Gdog Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
1059.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If we are sitting at 0-12 and there are 15K people in the stadium watching Pryor going 10 for 27, what value is that 6 million cap savings?
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I’ll take the cap space, over being 2-10 in front of 30K people watching Carson flop around.
Because, unlike your fictious scenario, THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
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true. and how can people assume we’d be so much worse with pryor. the offense looked pretty much the same with him in there. not necessarily better. but not worse either. scored more points than our avg. for the year too. 21 compare to 18ppg on the yr
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Name the time CP got the ball in the red zone from a blocked kick…
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his red zone #s were bad anyway, he probably would have kicked a fg.
it doesn’t matter how he got there. the point is he finished off the drive with a td. something our offense rarely did with palmer once we got into the red zone. (42%, 30th in the nfl).
and carson may not have gotten the ball in the red zone. I can remember how the denver game was effectively sealed though. something about carson fumbling and giving tit to denver at our 2 yd line. cpl plays later, TD broncos. game over. garbage time.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Gdog Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Well the Pryor fan club is in full force. The chances of intelligent conversation just hit ZERO.
Later fellows..
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wow i wouldn’t bet one way or the other if pryor succeeds, although i hope he does. but isn’t it debateable whether or not to spend 13 mill this year and 15 mill next year on cp? and what happens if tp does well, what does that make you?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Well the Pryor fan club is in full force. The chances of intelligent conversation just hit ZERO.
Later fellows..
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No pryor fan club. Raider fan club.. but see ya. I Understand the truth hurts about Palmer
March 8th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
carson palmer threw for 182 yds in his last start against the chiefs, in his 9th yr in the nfl (8th as a starter) settled for 5 fgs against the worst team in the league. check please.
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yep and he threw for like 150 against his ex team THE BENGALS.. u would think he would have showed them up… NAH
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Yeah. You woulda thought the defense could of held them to under 34 pt’s….NAH.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Fk it I hope they cut Palmer and start Pryor. At least then I can come in here and ridicule the Pryor jock sniffers….if they have the courage to show up in here with the same handles lol.
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Of course u would.. cuz you are not a real raider fan to begin with..
March 8th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Yeah. You woulda thought the defense could of held them to under 34 pt’s….NAH.
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the defense plays offense?? NAH
March 8th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Raider fan club that constantly harps on a QB that was basically middle of the road statistically and ignores all the other problems as if they had nothing to do with a 4-12 season.
Brilliant.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Pryor blows no thanks move his ass to WR
March 8th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Ya think ANYONE will stay here, or come here? To an 2-14 team?
Boy that added cap space will sure be handy when we hire Tyler Thigpen as our best acquisition!!
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hate to break it to u guys but Its been that way for 10 years. Nobody wanted to play here.. its just that they couldnt turn down AL’s mega offers.
ask warren sapp about it
March 8th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Pryor blows no thanks move his ass to WR
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As does Palmer lately
March 8th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Raider fan club that constantly harps on a QB that was basically middle of the road statistically and ignores all the other problems as if they had nothing to do with a 4-12 season.
Brilliant.
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pay 13 Million dollars to an average aging Qb on a rebuilding team? More Brillant
March 8th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Yeah. You woulda thought the defense could of held them to under 34 pt’s….NAH.
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the defense plays offense?? NAH
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Did I say that?
I said the defense gave up 34 pt’s.
I suppose it was Palmers fault we gave up 55 to Baltimore too?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The Kansas City Chiefs have a new coach, a new general manager — and plenty of new season-ticket holders
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Thats cuz there isnt Shiznitt to do in Kansas City unlike the bay area where there is plenty to do on the weekend
March 8th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Palmer is the ONLY chance we have of turning this thing around. Sign a better #1 wr, improve the o-line, get some better players on D and we can compete for the wild card and maybe become a destination for free agents again.
Cut Palmer and tank the season and we remain a laughingstock. A little cap savings is worth that?
Gtfoh!
March 8th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Did I say that?
I said the defense gave up 34 pt’s.
I suppose it was Palmers fault we gave up 55 to Baltimore too?
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ahh hiding behind what you implied but what u didnt say. Sorry no go. next
March 8th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
1093.DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Raider fan club that constantly harps on a QB that was basically middle of the road statistically and ignores all the other problems as if they had nothing to do with a 4-12 season.
Brilliant.
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more like the fan club that out of all the play of an entire 4-12 season comment on the play of one player who only had a week to practice for a week 17 game and played in his first start ever. and go out of their way to say how bad he is and how he will never be a good qb based on one game in his career. thats real raider fandom right there. at its best. Let’s just take one of the few bright spots that we could possibly look for going into the future and completely tear him down.
brilliant.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Palmer is the ONLY chance we have of turning this thing around.
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Im sure Reggie feels different which is why Ed Werner said Palmer highly unlikely to bea Raider after hearing what he did at the combine
March 8th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
at the same time though, let’s be real about it, pryor hasn’t shown much. it’s great he’s bonding with his teammates, but let’s remember jason cambpell bonded well with these guys. he’s there for the taking, want him?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
No pryor fan club. Raider fan club…..
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WORD ! ! !
That’s all I ever DID and ever WILL give a Flyin’ FU*K about…….The Raiders, and winning.
Don’t give a Gawd Damn about WHO does it at WHAT position…. As long as it happens. Wanna sh*t talk 2013 season? By all means…. How bout we wait till the damn games have been played first.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
He hasnt shown much because he hasnt had a chance.
Palmer hasnt shown anything in how long?? since week 2 against an Old PITT team and no troy Polomanue?? TRADE JUSTIFIED!
March 8th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Raider fan club that constantly harps on a QB that was basically middle of the road statistically and ignores all the other problems as if they had nothing to do with a 4-12 season.
Brilliant.
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The rest of the problems wouldn’t seem ignored if people didn’t keep putting that middle of that road QB on a pedestal.
The fact is we suck with Palmer. People want to KNOW if we will suck with Pryor. At least if we suck with Pryor we learn something.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Palmer is the ONLY chance we have of turning this thing around.
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In other words we have Zero chance?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Palmer is the ONLY chance we have of turning this thing around. Sign a better #1 wr, improve the o-line, get some better players on D and we can compete for the wild card and maybe become a destination for free agents again.
Cut Palmer and tank the season and we remain a laughingstock. A little cap savings is worth that?
Gtfoh!
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also possible, reggie has a big decision that he’s probably decided on already, can’t wait to hear what it is
March 8th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
pryor and palmer talk is dividing the nation! this has to be worse then gradkowski v cambpell was
March 8th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Did I say that?
I said the defense gave up 34 pt’s.
I suppose it was Palmers fault we gave up 55 to Baltimore too?
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is it the defense’s fault we only score 10 against cincinatti? 0 in the first half?
is it their fault we only score 6 against carolina?
their fault we scored 14 vs. SD in the first game? (more like 6 bc we scored our only td with less than a minute left in the game).
13pts & 6pts vs. denver?
13 against miami?
is it their fault that palmer threw a pick 6 in the 4th quarter against atlanta when they had held atl to 13 pts all game up to that point?
to u, of course it is.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9030868/nfl-terrelle-pryor-far-go
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Worth a read.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
at the same time though, let’s be real about it, pryor hasn’t shown much. it’s great he’s bonding with his teammates, but let’s remember jason cambpell bonded well with these guys. he’s there for the taking, want him?
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Maybe bonding with your teammates is a good thing. Afterall the excuses JC did go 12-7. Little better than 8-16
March 8th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
so funny talking about how cutting palmer is tanking the season. tanking from what? 4-12? only 3 wins coming against the only two teams worse than us…barely. how much worse could u possibly tank. we haven’t beaten a winning team since palmer got here. savior my @ss
March 8th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Did I say that?
I said the defense gave up 34 pt’s.
I suppose it was Palmers fault we gave up 55 to Baltimore too?
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is it the defense’s fault we only score 10 against cincinatti? 0 in the first half?
is it their fault we only score 6 against carolina?
their fault we scored 14 vs. SD in the first game? (more like 6 bc we scored our only td with less than a minute left in the game).
13pts & 6pts vs. denver?
13 against miami?
is it their fault that palmer threw a pick 6 in the 4th quarter against atlanta when they had held atl to 13 pts all game up to that point?
to u, of course it is.
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Well said
March 8th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
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March 8th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
so funny talking about how cutting palmer is tanking the season. tanking from what? 4-12? only 3 wins coming against the only two teams worse than us…barely. how much worse could u possibly tank. we haven’t beaten a winning team since palmer got here. savior my @ss
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To be fair. Has anyone called him the savior without sarcasm?
March 8th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Gdog Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Well the Pryor fan club is in full force. The chances of intelligent conversation just hit ZERO.
Later fellows..
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wow i wouldn’t bet one way or the other if pryor succeeds, although i hope he does. but isn’t it debateable whether or not to spend 13 mill this year and 15 mill next year on cp? and what happens if tp does well, what does that make you?
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Oh trust me… I will start gulping the Pryor Koolade with you cats if Reggie maniacally dumps CP to save a whopping 6 million dollars (and NEXT year is when we should restructure.)
I hated the McFadden pick, thought it was one of Als worst mistakes… but became a McFadden fan the day after I sobered up.
I even defended JaMoney when he had those two back to back great games to close out 2008.
But no way am I going to sit here and try to pretend Pryor is a better option than CP. He’s not even close YET. Its just stupid and ridiculous.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
pryor and palmer talk is dividing the nation! this has to be worse then gradkowski v cambpell was
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It happens to every team with a QB controversy.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9030868/nfl-terrelle-pryor-far-go
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Worth a read.
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that was a good read…
He is spending his own cash on the QB coaches instead of Booze and Broads…
March 8th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
And can’t do nothin’ about any decisions the ORG makes. You can NOT like any or ALL decisions they make this offseason, but you can’t say any of them were BAD, or a FAIL until next year is concluded.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Yeah it is all Carson palmers fault. Cutting him is going to solve our issues!
Knapp, the o-line, wrs, injuries, the entire defense, the pathetic special teams play, that had nothing to do with the 2012 season. Just get rid of the starting qb and start the kid who has trouble throwing passes and it will be cool!
SMH
Dumbest fans in America.
On the eve of free agency we should be talking about players in the draft that can improve us, what wr and o-line help we can get to support Palmer. What players we can get to help the defense.
Instead, people want to tank 2013 so we save mark Davis some money.
Yikes.
March 8th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
pryor and palmer talk is dividing the nation! this has to be worse then gradkowski v cambpell was
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It happens to every team with a QB controversy. What are we to do, sing Kumbaya all off-season?
When the season starts we’re all on the same page.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
What time does Alameda, HQ close today?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Did I say that?
I said the defense gave up 34 pt’s.
I suppose it was Palmers fault we gave up 55 to Baltimore too?
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ahh hiding behind what you implied but what u didnt say. Sorry no go. next
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I didn’t imply anything other than the defense didn’t help any. What am I missing.
Palmer did not have a good day either. It was disappointing.
I enjoy all the stuff you bring in with the Raider news etc. You seem determined to turn this into some pissing match.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
1120.Thec Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9030868/nfl-terrelle-pryor-far-go
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Worth a read.
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that was a good read…
He is spending his own cash on the QB coaches instead of Booze and Broads…
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Hard not to root for the kid. All of the intangibles seem to be there.
I just think it’s important that we know that he’s able to play the position before we hand him the job. At this point i don’t think we do, and going into the season with just him and one of the less-than-ideal FA’s is just not something I’m comfortable with.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Daliar allready stated CP will be the starting QB 2013.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Yeah it is all Carson palmers fault
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YEah PRYOR cant be Qb he only threw for 150 yards his first game!! Never mind his 2 practices.
You just described yourself in ur little rant?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I enjoy all the stuff you bring in with the Raider news etc. You seem determined to turn this into some pissing match
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dont get emotional over a blog man.. were just shttn the breeze here
This blog is like pissing in the wind. REGGIE makes the final call and word out of the combine is he is ready to roll with PRYOR. now whats that make him?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Can we get past the palmer vs. Pryor talk, our issues go far beyond that.
I said it before draft Jordan to start.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Pryor had NO WR’s .. NO LINE, KNAPP, and the HC rooting against him.. so 150 yards wasnt bad in his 1st start
3/3 in the Red zone though
March 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Yeah it is all Carson palmers fault
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YEah PRYOR cant be Qb he only threw for 150 yards his first game!! Never mind his 2 practices.
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Didn’t he have two years of practices?
Ok.. its silly season. Now I am out… beer to drink.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
This blog is like pissing in the wind.
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Question, what direction is the wind blowing?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Oh wait.. The I have no WR’s , NO OL, and KNAPP argument only works for PALMER RIGHT?? Lol
March 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
What kind of Raider fan can be rooting against Pryor?
If he shows up in camp and shows anything close to an NFL quality arm, we have a franchise QB. The best part is that he was an AD steal in the third round. Who could ask for more?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Question, what direction is the wind blowing?
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pick a way?? what ever way u are pissin. its going against u
March 8th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Again take a chance and run with pryor, and i said over and over, we need to trash the garbage from the roster strip it down and build for 2014. No way we are getting to playoffs this year, not being negative being damn realistic
March 8th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
What kind of Raider fan can be rooting against Pryor?
If he shows up in camp and shows anything close to an NFL quality arm, we have a franchise QB. The best part is that he was an AD steal in the third round. Who could ask for more?
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I agree. I think most fans dont want to admit the Palmer trade didnt work out and that it wasnt a horrible trade to begin with.. which it was.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Last year I thought that Reggie was hamstrung with the AL Davis contracts. I applauded the Stan Routt cut and I liked the Wheeler signing.
But a year into this thing and he hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire as a GM. I think the Holmgren interest may be the writing on the wall.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
From A&M’s Pro Day, Mike Mayock: Luke Joeckel worked out one-on-one with Raiders offensive line coach Tony Sparano throughout the day!
Smokescreen if you ask me!
March 8th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Cut Palmer and tank the season and we remain a laughingstock.
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As opposed to keeping Palmer, finishing 4-12 again and remaining a laughingstock.
I’m surprised you don’t realize how likely that is to happen.
I’m getting a kick out of your insistence that the absence of Palmer likely results in something like an 0-16 season, when that’s precisely what already happened with Palmer.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Gdog Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Yeah it is all Carson palmers fault
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YEah PRYOR cant be Qb he only threw for 150 yards his first game!! Never mind his 2 practices.
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Didn’t he have two years of practices?
Ok.. its silly season. Now I am out… beer to drink.
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Actually no…
I read a quote that he said he would only be on the “practice field” not taking reps.
His first start he had to split reps with liono, until MD forced Daliars hand.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Free agents ok, make a splash sign cb smith still young.
Then fill in the roster
March 8th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
post 1122 Dakota Exactly
March 8th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
let’s hope moore steater dhb and ford are are working as hard on catching as pryor is on his game
March 8th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
But a year into this thing and he hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire as a GM. I think the Holmgren interest may be the writing on the wall.
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Semi’s like Priest, and Oakfoshow predicted this…
March 8th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Dion Jordan…..I’m definately down with THAT
March 8th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
I’m on record as saying I like Pryor…alot. Love his attitude, work ethic, athleticism..and would be encouraged to hear that they thought enough of him to make him the starter. That would be a good sign.
I don’t see why it’s necessary to have all this vitriol toward Palmer.
This was a bad team with a bad defense and no running game. You can’t just ignore that.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
we need to trash the garbage from the roster strip it down and build for 2014
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This is exactly what the ORG is doing. Rebuilding effort started when ” I want my guy” took over.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Oh wait.. The I have no WR’s , NO OL, and KNAPP argument only works for PALMER RIGHT?? Lol
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Pryor can’t play qb simply because he can’t throw. Two years in the NFL and he can’t complete passes…..rainbow is not going to learn how to throw at this age. The quicker you learn that the quicker you can get over your broken heart about him.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
we need to trash the garbage from the roster strip it down and build for 2014
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This is exactly what the ORG is doing. Rebuilding effort started when ” I want my guy” took over.
Only problem is they did not tell MD, or the Raider Nation this is what they were doing.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Damn some people here get it, pryor wants to play and win and 100% dedicated… and he is humble.
A buddy of mine who works at the NFL told me that Pryor in college was arrogant and full of himself, i think some life lessons and losing his dad have matured him greatly, i want him to succeed and be our starting QB.
Think of it how fitting would it be that Al’s last pick turns out to be one of his best?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
let’s hope moore steater dhb and ford are are working as hard on catching as pryor is on his game
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From what I hear, all of these guys are working out with Pryor daily at Laney CC.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
rom what I hear, all of these guys are working out with Pryor daily at Laney CC
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all of em? hell yeah
March 8th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Pryor can’t play qb simply because he can’t throw.
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“IF” the org felt that, then why is he still on the roster as a QB?
These guys look at film 24/7 do you thin that if they did not believe TP could play QB, they would not hesitate to run him???
I trust that you know much less about the NFL than these professionals…Just a hunch.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Pryor can’t play qb simply because he can’t throw
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Threw a couple of beautiful TD passes.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Think of it how fitting would it be that Al’s last pick turns out to be one of his best?
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DAYUM…….
Now I’m goin’ off to “Lalla Land”
That WOULD be some EPIC SH*T……..If it actually went down like that.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
rom what I hear, all of these guys are working out with Pryor daily at Laney CC
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all of em? hell yeah
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Yep, Seesion and Hagan when he can.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Just cuz we were 4-12 last yr. with Palmer doesn’t mean that no matter what team he’s on they are gonna be 4-12 again.
It’s a TEAM GAME.
IMO the switch to the pbs would help DMAC improve which would in turn help the passing game…and if we can get the defense up to below average..it would most certainly help improve upon a 4-12 season.
You guys are just seething with Palmer blood lust right now..it’s like an angry mob with pitchforks.
I’m surprised you aren’t camped outside his house throwing rocks.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I mean is Reggie Mac gonna restructure contracts to about 7 million under the cap and do nothing until November–every year?
At some point he HAS to make a move right?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Cut Palmer and tank the season and we remain a laughingstock.
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As opposed to keeping Palmer, finishing 4-12 again and remaining a laughingstock.
I’m surprised you don’t realize how likely that is to happen.
I’m getting a kick out of your insistence that the absence of Palmer likely results in something like an 0-16 season, when that’s precisely what already happened with Palmer.
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I guess if you do not believe that replacing the oc, ol coach and special teams coach is going to result in improvement, and you don’t believe having cap space to sign a couple of free agents will improve the team. And you don’t believe that having more draft picks this offseason will help. if you do not believe dumping the zbs will help.
If you have zero faith in this team getting better AROUND Carson Palmer, then yeah I could see your point. Palmer was surrounded by limited talent and had trash for an offensive coordinator last year. He didnt have a chance.
I believe with some changes this team can win with Palmer. Without him we are raising the white flag for 2013 six months before opening day.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Pryor can’t play qb simply because he can’t throw
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Threw a couple of beautiful TD passes.
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And WHY were they beautiful KELL?…..
Because we hadn’t SEEN one in a FU*K’n Dogs year. Folks get wrapped up in “Aww it looked like garbage, those passes were weak.”
It was a Touchdown man…..THAT SH*T…is beautiful.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Met Terrence Ross’s father today at the Gym.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1152.elraidmanhattan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Damn some people here get it, pryor wants to play and win and 100% dedicated… and he is humble.
A buddy of mine who works at the NFL told me that Pryor in college was arrogant and full of himself, i think some life lessons and losing his dad have matured him greatly, i want him to succeed and be our starting QB.
Think of it how fitting would it be that Al’s last pick turns out to be one of his best?
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It would be nearly unprecedented. Al’s track record of drafting QBs is not near the top of his career highlights list.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
predictions? i predict cp is a good soldier and stays
March 8th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Theghostronin79
The first one was a beautiful touch pass to the back shoulder of DHB in the endzone.
The second, extended the play, bought time, time, time, WR, wide open in the endzone. Playmaker.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Let’s assume Palmer’s gone already for the sake of argument.
Now what?
Did our defense suddenly get better?
Special teams?
Coaching?
Are some of you ok with being bad just as long as that evil bazterd Palmer is gone?
Or…do u think we have a shot at being competitive simply becuz he’s not here? Serious question.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Representatives from every NFL team were on campus Friday to watch the group of prospects led by Joeckel. Most teams sent scouts or assistant coaches, but New York Jets coach Rex Ryan and Oakland Raiders coach Dennis Allen made the trek to College Station.
Joeckel met with nine teams at the NFL scouting combine and will meet with the Raiders on campus in the coming days and receive a visit from the Kansas City Chiefs, who pick first, on March 22. He only performed position drills on Friday after doing all the testing drills at the combine last month.
It was still enough to catch the eye of former A&M linebacker Allen, whose Raiders pick third.
“I think he was impressive on the tape and just watching him out here and getting a chance to visit with him, I think not only is he a good football player, he’s an impressive young man,” Allen said. “I think that’s the thing that when you look at him, that’s the thing that says this guy is going to make it in the National Football League.”
March 8th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Edward i know, but listen we need to give him the ball and see what he does, I can’t write all i want to say here but, as much as i hate losing year after year i rather strip it down bare and give up this year, palmer is not getting this team in the playoffs, and not just solely because of him.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
I believe with some changes this team can win with Palmer. Without him we are raising the white flag for 2013 six months before opening day
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this is why ppl hate on palmer is because of dumb statements like this.
u believe with changes this team can win with palmer, but with a great run game, improvement from receiving corps, and a solid defense (the same things needed for palmer to win), pryor can’t win/ that is dumb. Pryor we got just as much offense with pryor in his first nfl start than we got wit palmer (21 pts to 18ppg on the season)
but all u palmer worshippers make it seem like we would completely fall off with pryor. u have to give pryor the same surroundings u give palmer. u cant say o the run offense, receivers, and defense will play better with palmer, but with pryor they will still suck and we will be horrible.
at first, the only reason ppl were saying needed to go was bc of his contract, which is justiyable, but all u guys throwing everyone else under the bus and acting like no one else on this raides team even deserves to be in the nfl besides palmer makes every normal raider fan sick to their stomachs and have us having to bring out the reality of the raiders since palmer has been the starter.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
1152.elraidmanhattan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Damn some people here get it, pryor wants to play and win and 100% dedicated… and he is humble.
A buddy of mine who works at the NFL told me that Pryor in college was arrogant and full of himself, i think some life lessons and losing his dad have matured him greatly, i want him to succeed and be our starting QB.
Think of it how fitting would it be that Al’s last pick turns out to be one of his best?
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Yes. Totally. I would love Al’s last pick to be a final “f u” to the world, and I agree that Pryor has been humbled a bit from the arrogance (if that’s true that he was) since college. Being on the bench and having to watch other guys on the ESPN highlights i’m sure has gotten him revved up to remind the world of who he is.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Terrelle Pryor featured on a QB training application that is downloadable to the iphone.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/train-like-a-pro/id557511336?mt=8
March 8th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
DJ not so much about palmer being evil, came into a dysfunctional situation, and we need to cut the facade of we are getting to the playoffs, palmer about to be 34 let him go if he doesn’t restructure if he does great compete with pryor
March 8th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
I am not delusional i really think pryor can be the face of the franchise
March 8th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Theghostronin79
The first one was a beautiful touch pass to the back shoulder of DHB in the endzone.
The second, extended the play, bought time, time, time, WR, wide open in the endzone. Playmaker.
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That was his Mantra in college too…..Not pretty but, Playmaker. I saw him do some amazing things as a Buckeye…..Like Crush my “favored” Ducks in the Rose Bowl. Oregon’s plan was to take away his legs and force him to throw the ball to win……..The Son of a Bit*h DID….and it killed me.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
so many people are acting like it’s playoffs with palmer or 0-16 without him.. just nonsense
March 8th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Report: Steelers on verge of cutting James Harrison
For the Steelers, the challenge is simply to create enough cap space to go about business the way they always have — methodical, conservative, building from within not without.
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This is the way consistently good teams are built. Do your thang, Reggie.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
1169.elraidmanhattan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Edward i know, but listen we need to give him the ball and see what he does, I can’t write all i want to say here but, as much as i hate losing year after year i rather strip it down bare and give up this year, palmer is not getting this team in the playoffs, and not just solely because of him.
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I agree that he needs to get the ball and show what he can do. That’s what camp and preseason are for.
Cutting your starter, downgrading by signing a marginal talent in FA to replace him and handing the ball to an unproven player and hoping it works in the regular season is not how I’d do things.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
I still believe that with the right moves we will challenge for the division in 2014.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
so many people are acting like it’s playoffs with palmer or 0-16 without him.. just nonsense
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I’m pretty sure it’s been stated more than once.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Teach i hear you that is old school way of thinking, but damn I believe pryor can be the guy in my sober state of mind.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Just get it, Palmer is not guiding this team to the playoffs pure and simple
March 8th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Best case scenario for the QB situation this offseason, in my book, is as follows. CP restructures and we are able to get an extra contributing player or two because of it. TP and CP compete for the starting spot. TP legitimately wins out and starts week 1.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I enjoy all the stuff you bring in with the Raider news etc. You seem determined to turn this into some pissing match
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dont get emotional over a blog man.. were just shttn the breeze here
This blog is like pissing in the wind. REGGIE makes the final call and word out of the combine is he is ready to roll with PRYOR. now whats that make him?
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I would prefer that if Reggie wants to roll w/ Pryor that he’d be doing it with the thought that we would win more games in 2013.
IF he goes that direction I hope that’s the reason…besides saving some cap room of course.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Reggie needs to cut kelly restructure dhb, and make so e s art fa signings and draft DEFENSE
March 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I enjoy all the stuff you bring in with the Raider news etc. You seem determined to turn this into some pissing match
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dont get emotional over a blog man.. were just shttn the breeze here
This blog is like pissing in the wind. REGGIE makes the final call and word out of the combine is he is ready to roll with PRYOR. now whats that make him?
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I would prefer that if Reggie wants to roll w/ Pryor that he’d be doing it with the thought that we would win more games in 2013.
IF he goes that direction I hope that’s the reason…besides saving some cap room of course.
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I can agree with that.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
why do people assume if we cut or trade Palmer we would spend his money on another free agent quarterback? Why can’t we sign 1 of the de’s or ot’s available in free agency with that money? that’s the whole point getting the salary cap fixed, so that we can completely fill out the team instead of having so many holes around a few overpaid names..
March 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
And yes to Dion Jordan.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RediaR Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Best case scenario for the QB situation this offseason, in my book, is as follows. CP restructures and we are able to get an extra contributing player or two because of it. TP and CP compete for the starting spot. TP legitimately wins out and starts week 1.
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Me too.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Some guys here do get it, whether you like pryor or not he is the future, and palmer can please go to sunny Arizona and take myers with him
March 8th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Theghostronin79
The first one was a beautiful touch pass to the back shoulder of DHB in the endzone.
The second, extended the play, bought time, time, time, WR, wide open in the endzone. Playmaker.
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I trust this guys opinion as he saw TP up close when the Raider Nation got to attend practices during training camp.
I would imagine he would be able to elucidate, on his improvement also.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Bingo we have another dion jordan fan….guarantee a future pro bowler
March 8th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
I still believe that with the right moves we will challenge for the division in 2014.
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I agree completely. But does Reggie want to compete now or rebuild for 4 years down the line? Why has the deal with Palmer not be made? Why hasn’t Wheeler been signed before FA starts?
March 8th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
I’m glad people are starting to get on board with Jordan. I was fighting tooth and nail to put this guy on our draft board. Everybody wanted warmack. a guard.. smh
March 8th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
1182.elraidmanhattan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Just get it, Palmer is not guiding this team to the playoffs pure and simple
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The only way that argument holds water as a justification for getting rid of Palmer is if Pryor does lead us to the playoffs. The cap room issue is moot; if all we save is 6 million, we could do that easily by restructuring other players (DHB and Tommy Kelly, for example).
March 8th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
The so call fans here rooting for palmer are not looking ahead, and are fantasy football fans
March 8th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
When people doubt you! ignore it go back to work! RT @Aberspam92: @TerrellePryor Prove this idiot from ESPN wrong http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9030868 …
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ROFLMAO… TP going in on jeffri chadia regarding the rencet article.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Teach, seriously not so much about cap, or arm, or being a good soldier, the team is terribly deficient on D and has zero leadership, i am so glad seymour is gone and kelly should carry his bags out too. The team is terribly devoid of leaders and talent.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Thec
I saw Pryor last year at a practice in Napa. And that same day, I said his ball was wobbly. Yes.
But, I was impressed with the SD game, especially his passing on those 2 TD throws. Nice throws. Plus, he had 4 balls dropped.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Jeff chadia renowned writer…yea right, hey if I am pryor i would go off to big deal, shows he has some balls
March 8th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
why do people assume if we cut or trade Palmer we would spend his money on another free agent quarterback?
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Because if Palmer’s gone Pryor is the only QB on the roster. Leinart is a FA and I think we all agree he’s not coming back. I don’t think anybody’ saying we should spend the total amount on Palmer’s “replacement”, but we’d have to sign somebody.
As I said, I don’t see how getting rid of Palmer, signing Tyler Thigpen or David Garrard and giving the job to an unproven Terrelle Pryor makes the team better.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Thec
I saw Pryor last year at a practice in Napa. And that same day, I said his ball was wobbly. Yes.
But, I was impressed with the SD game, especially his passing on those 2 TD throws. Nice throws. Plus, he had 4 balls dropped.
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I remember your comments, and that is my Point Bro.
You are one of the few on this blog that I can say I would trust regarding TP or give any credence to his opinion on him playing QB….
March 8th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Jeff chadia renowned writer…yea right, hey if I am pryor i would go off to big deal, shows he has some balls
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Some people shrink when adversity comes… This should be bulletin board material for the younggin.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
I’m glad people are starting to get on board with Jordan. I was fighting tooth and nail to put this guy on our draft board. Everybody wanted warmack. a guard.. smh
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Don’t get me wrong, I would still be 100% fine with getting Warmack. He is the only player I have no huge doubts about.
Jordan has grown on me quite a bit though. He has a really high ceiling and a great attitude.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Thec Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Theghostronin79
The first one was a beautiful touch pass to the back shoulder of DHB in the endzone.
The second, extended the play, bought time, time, time, WR, wide open in the endzone. Playmaker.
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I trust this guys opinion as he saw TP up close when the Raider Nation got to attend practices during training camp.
I would imagine he would be able to elucidate, on his improvement also.
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Hre said his passes were not good lol…..
March 8th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Anyway time to slink back into the unknowable…
All you guys enjoy the end of the week, and be safe.
1 NATION
March 8th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
why does TP have to take us to the playoffs if cp gets cut? If we keep Palmer we’re still not going to the playoffs I don’t get your point it all.
March 8th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Redskins cap issues could endanger DeAngelo Hall
With cap problems forcing them into some difficult decisions, it appears the Redskins may be about to tell DeAngelo Hall to “back up off them, bro.”
According to Mike Jones of the Washington Post, sources think it’s “highly likely” the Redskins part ways with the veteran cornerback.
The Redskins are over the salary cap, and as of Friday afternoon, hadn’t discussed any degree of restructuring. Hall is scheduled to make $8 million next year, making his deal a good place to start looking for room if they were so inclined.
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Wow, we could get DeAngelo Hall.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
At this point is hard to believe Myers Wheeler and Bryant coming back add the release of Kelly and DHB as expected then i have a feeling RM will make a run to Glen Dorsey, Phil Loadhoalt and Sam Shields plus a couple of under the radar lb’s like Nick Barnett.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Thec Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
I remember your comments, and that is my Point Bro.
You are one of the few on this blog that I can say I would trust regarding TP or give any credence to his opinion on him playing QB….
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Wow, much appreciated.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
I believe with some changes this team can win with Palmer. Without him we are raising the white flag for 2013 six months before opening day.
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You’re also 100% convinced that this team can’t win with TP, regardless of changes.
That’s where we differ.
I will say it again, the Raids win as many, if not more, games with TP throwing for 2500 yards and moving the chains with his legs – than they do with CP throwing for 4k.
You’re positive the season is tanked without CP, that TP can’t possibly win as many games – and apparently that sticking with CP is the best way to build for an eventual SB run.
I disagree with all of these premises and think it’s essential to find out what TP can do ASAP.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Redskins cap issues could endanger DeAngelo Hall
With cap problems forcing them into some difficult decisions, it appears the Redskins may be about to tell DeAngelo Hall to “back up off them, bro.”
According to Mike Jones of the Washington Post, sources think it’s “highly likely” the Redskins part ways with the veteran cornerback.
The Redskins are over the salary cap, and as of Friday afternoon, hadn’t discussed any degree of restructuring. Hall is scheduled to make $8 million next year, making his deal a good place to start looking for room if they were so inclined.
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Wow, we could get DeAngelo Hall.
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Didn’t he grade out as the worst CB in the league last year? I remember hearing that somewhere.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
I believe with some changes this team can win with Palmer. Without him we are raising the white flag for 2013 six months before opening day.
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You’re also 100% convinced that this team can’t win with TP, regardless of changes.
That’s where we differ.
I will say it again, the Raids win as many, if not more, games with TP throwing for 2500 yards and moving the chains with his legs – than they do with CP throwing for 4k.
You’re positive the season is tanked without CP, that TP can’t possibly win as many games – and apparently that sticking with CP is the best way to build for an eventual SB run.
I disagree with all of these premises and think it’s essential to find out what TP can do ASAP.
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Good luck with that.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Matt Cassel, Rex Grossman, Drew Stanton or Tyler Thigpen … that is who will be signed to compete with Pryor
then we’ll add another vet journeyman 3rd string clipboard holder to “mentor”.
Somebody like Kellen Clemens, Luke McCown, Derek Anderson or David Carr …
Go Raiders!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
cutting Palmer wouldnt necessarily make us better for this year but if we’re not going to the playoffs there’s no point in stretching our cap this yr. even with Palmer we are still a bottom basement team and we’re only gonna move farther away from the best players in the draft next year. the only reason to keep Palmer is the hope of winning an extra 1 or 2 games next year.. 6-7 wins at best? Bfd.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Had Dennis Allen done the right thing and started Pryor with about 4 or 5 games left(when the season was clearly over), then we wouldn’t have this somewhat unknown Pryor issue to deal with.
We could have seen if he could play against a team that had not already packed it in….and we could have seen what a team would do against Pryor with a week or two of film….see if he would improve on his under 50% completion percentage or not.
Now we may end up wasting an entire season on the guy.
tragic.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
1207.Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
why does TP have to take us to the playoffs if cp gets cut? If we keep Palmer we’re still not going to the playoffs I don’t get your point it all.
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People are using that as a reason for getting rid of Palmer.
Whay would you get rid of him and sign someone that is clearly an inferior player as a replacement if the net result was missing the playoffs? You’ve just downgraded the talent on your roster and haven’t improved your record. All to save six million dollars that you could just as easily save AND keep Palmer?
Makes no sense to do that unless Pryor’s taking you to the playoffs.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
so many people are acting like it’s playoffs with palmer or 0-16 without him.. just nonsense
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Untrue… we are saying our BEST chance for the playoffs is with Palmer. Hands down.
IMO, the Pryor Brigade doesn’t think we have ANY chance for the playoffs regardless, so why not play Pryor?
I think that is short-sighted, defeatism, and borderline maniacal.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Dmoore skipped the 40 again but did 19 bench reps.. and then pulled a hammy… superpass
March 8th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
If the Raiders are going to cut Palmer, they might as well trade DMC while they are forfeiting the season.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Gdog you just cant see down the road more than a few feet…
March 8th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Dmoore skipped the 40 again but did 19 bench reps.. and then pulled a hammy… superpass
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Now the only question is, how far does he fall?
March 8th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
If this coaching staff and/or GM really thought Pryor could be a starter, would Palmer and his $13 million dollar contract still be on the roster on the eve of free agency?
He is not tradeable.
Then again, Slowlando McLazy is still on the roster for reasons unknown.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RediaR Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Best case scenario for the QB situation this offseason, in my book, is as follows. CP restructures and we are able to get an extra contributing player or two because of it. TP and CP compete for the starting spot. TP legitimately wins out and starts week 1.
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It’s not a restructure. Palmer restructured last year meaning he still got paid the same.
It’s called a “Pay cut”. He will have to take a huge pay cut. Get it right.
No need to waste time and money on him. It’s time to move on.
Cut Palmer!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
quit saying you can save the Six Million and keep Palmer. it’s 1 or the other. The other guys contracts all need to be cut regardless of what happens with Palmer. We could B 25mill under the cap if we cut everybody that’s just collecting bloated checks.. just cause Palmer has pretty hair doesn’t mean you should be the 1 exception getting over paid
March 8th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
If this coaching staff and/or GM really thought Pryor could be a starter, would Palmer and his $13 million dollar contract still be on the roster on the eve of free agency?
He is not tradeable.
Then again, Slowlando McLazy is still on the roster for reasons unknown.
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FA starts Tuesday the 12th.
Having the biggest “out of whack” contract in the NFL on the roster on the 12th would be very piss poor GM work.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RaidO Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RediaR Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Best case scenario for the QB situation this offseason, in my book, is as follows. CP restructures and we are able to get an extra contributing player or two because of it. TP and CP compete for the starting spot. TP legitimately wins out and starts week 1.
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It’s not a restructure. Palmer restructured last year meaning he still got paid the same.
It’s called a “Pay cut”. He will have to take a huge pay cut. Get it right.
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True. I stand corrected.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RaidO Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
If this coaching staff and/or GM really thought Pryor could be a starter, would Palmer and his $13 million dollar contract still be on the roster on the eve of free agency?
He is not tradeable.
Then again, Slowlando McLazy is still on the roster for reasons unknown.
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FA starts Tuesday the 12th.
Having the biggest “out of whack” contract in the NFL on the roster on the 12th would be very piss poor GM work.
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Teams can begin talking with players tonight, they just can’t sign them.
And Palmer’s contract is maybe $4-6 million dollars too much…..he isn’t even the worst contract on his own team.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Then again, Slowlando McLazy is still on the roster for reasons unknown.
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Because we can cut him on Tuesday, designate him as one of our two “Post-June 1″ cuts, and spread the hit out over two seasons.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Just because there is no news doesn’t mean squat, restructures and cuts if critical yes’ but we are under the cap, key word under no urgency, but say we wanted to sign avril hypothetically, and he wants 12 million, then you we see more cuts and restructures. I said it numerous times if we were shooting for a bigtime first day signing then you we see more bloodshed, like i stated before no bigtime guy on our radar it is apparently clear.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
1225.Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
quit saying you can save the Six Million and keep Palmer. it’s 1 or the other. The other guys contracts all need to be cut regardless of what happens with Palmer. We could B 25mill under the cap if we cut everybody that’s just collecting bloated checks.. just cause Palmer has pretty hair doesn’t mean you should be the 1 exception getting over paid
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I don’t recall ever saying that Palmer should be kept on the roster or keep making 13 million per year because he has pretty hair. It’s interesting that you think he does, though.
My point is that getting rid of him to save 6 million, and at the same time downgrading your talent level at the most important position on the team, makes no sense when the guy you’re basically handing the job to has so many question marks. You can save 6 million against the cap in other ways without doing that.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Again all we needed to do was to be under cap, by restucturing branch gives reggie some wiggle room to sign a free agent, how about that guy from green bay not named matthews, quick and can cover free corona to tne guy who name him!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
What about j bushrod? Lt saints.. now a fa. Da should know if he can play both sides. He passblocked very well for brees. Cheaper than long..
March 8th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
No more quick, failed fixes.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Waiting for the answer, in the meantime still would like Dion as number one pick, watching his game highlights, superb, athletic hell yes, still growing and will be dominant in 3 years will gain 15 pounds, a d on I side note although irrelevant no tats!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Bushrod? Sign him just for the name.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
it makes sense when you consider Carson isnt an elite quarterback or a difference maker..
March 8th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
The prospect of having Pryor compete for a staring job next year excites me. The prospect of having Pryor competing against documented scrubs, in case Palmer is let go and Gerrard, VY or JC are brought in, excites me even more cause RM is playing for the 1st overall pick in the 2014 draft!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Kell Reggie came in bold with gusto go zbs, go cheap it failed miserably. Watching our first game i saw the writing on the wall so did reggie, no more gusto just roll up the sleeves and work 24/7 no more quick fixes for sure but this year is critical because he knows what is at stake
March 8th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
I say cut the infected limb. cut Palmer, DHB, Kelly, Huffy, Slowmando, trade DMAC! aim for that 0-16, make sure you get the 1st overall and have a dumb truck of cap space next year to start rebuilding! heck, Manning and Rivers will be one year older too!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Guess teams can only talk to players’ agents tonight….not directly to the players.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Palmer had his shot leading the bengals, a d if i am not mistakin beating pitt in the playoffs until von olhofen killed him and that my friends ended his career.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
0-16 gets you nothing but a new city to suck in.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
This says Branch deal clears up more that 7 mil….
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/new-branch-deal-clears-more-than-7-million-in-cap-space/#comment-2376376
March 8th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
0-16 also is a nice excuse to fire DA and bring in a coach that will chest thump Denver’s HC instead of laughing about the beatdown they gave us!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
1237.Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
it makes sense when you consider Carson isnt an elite quarterback or a difference maker..
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If you’re willing to roll into the season with Pryor as your starter and a backup named Thigpen or Garrard, more power to you.
I’m not at all comfortable with that scenario. I’d rather take my chances with an offense more suited to the Raiders’ current personnel and give Pryor a little more time, keeping his mentor on board for another year. If Pryor shows then that he’s ready to take over, so be it. That scenario also is better for the Raiders finacially.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
the debate will wage for beyond this year if we suck, as we’ll be predicted to do. Pryor starts and fails cp guys will say “i told you so”, pryor guys will say “well we only won 4 with cp”. If it’s CP of course it’ll be more of the same we’re hearing
March 8th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Boy i hate this droid tablet sucks big time.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
I say cut the infected limb. cut Palmer, DHB, Kelly, Huffy, Slowmando, trade DMAC! aim for that 0-16, make sure you get the 1st overall and have a dumb truck of cap space next year to start rebuilding! heck, Manning and Rivers will be one year older too!
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Might as well just fold the team and move on….if we can’t field a decent team in the parity era, then we might as well quit.
I am all for tanking a season after week four or so, but talking about it 6 months before the season starts?
dayyyyum
March 8th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
We are now $7M under the cap. How much more will we be under the cap when we:
• Cut McCheese
• Cut Kelly
• Not resign Seymour
• Cut DHB
• Cut Brisel
• Cut Lechler
• Release Carlisle
• Not resign Barnes
• Not resign Meyers
I could be wrong but the above moves would seem to create a lot of free uncommitted $’s for some real FA players.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Indy thought ahead and dropped Peyton great as he is, because they knew the window for their title contention was closed and it was time to reload. we really need to recognize that we have no leaders, we have no Superstars, and we have a rookie GM and head coach. we’re not contenders right now. spending time developing young quarterback would probably be better for our future than paying an old journeyman. certainly saving the money and diversifying it along the entire roster would be a good thing. and if we finish with a4- 12 record or worse no big loss we have a chance at a great player in the draft next year. that’s thinking towards the future. Keeping Palmer for 1 year does not help our future in any conceivable way.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t take 0-16 to fire DA.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I am having trouble with the whole “design the gameplan around our personnel” cause the roster sucks! LOL, how can you design your offense around a HB that slips 90% of the time and a QB that throws away games 100% of the time…the D? yeah design around slowmando! wooohooo!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Last preseasonon, i dont remember carson winning the job. I think I remember him playing the worst. I dont care cause id doesnt matter its not and will never be my choice. But me eyes havenot been impressed in the season and a half. A good game here and there but ive walked away from many raidera games totallt disgusted with him no matter his pay. Theres no stat to prove it but if you watch the games I see no way u can ne happy with him. my poi.t is the guys who are posituve pryor will fail, but want palmer are ridiculous. Uve watche 1.5 yrs of him blowing itand u still like him but u see pryor in one game and are sure he will fail. Thats so stupid to me. In your terms winning doesnt matter just looking pretty in warm ups.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Still waiting for someone to name that under radar LB from green bay who we should sign!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Palmer had no competition last year because there wasn’t any….
March 8th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
1237.Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
it makes sense when you consider Carson isnt an elite quarterback or a difference maker..
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If you’re willing to roll into the season with Pryor as your starter and a backup named Thigpen or Garrard, more power to you.
I’m not at all comfortable with that scenario. I’d rather take my chances with an offense more suited to the Raiders’ current personnel and give Pryor a little more time, keeping his mentor on board for another year. If Pryor shows then that he’s ready to take over, so be it. That scenario also is better for the Raiders finacially.
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Enough with that ” a little more time” or that “babying” talk. Pryor is ready to play. If guys like Kap, RGII, Wilson, Tannehill, and Newton are playing then Pryor can do it.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Has anyone checked the GB practice squad for our FA pickups yet?
March 8th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
they can do almost everything but take a physical and fly them out to talk to them in person. Talking numbers with the agent is big. It gives teams free agents 4 days or so 2 gauge their worth in the market and decide if they want to re sign with their own team or become a free agent when it opens.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
0-16 also is a nice excuse to fire DA and bring in a coach that will chest thump Denver’s HC instead of laughing about the beatdown they gave us!
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Good grief. Move on already.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Myopinion, youve got a point my man! I dont think Palmer is the biggest problem with the team, yet he does throw those pick-6 every friggin game! jeesh!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
1251.Marks hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Indy thought ahead and dropped Peyton great as he is, because they knew the window for their title contention was closed and it was time to reload. we really need to recognize that we have no leaders, we have no Superstars, and we have a rookie GM and head coach. we’re not contenders right now. spending time developing young quarterback would probably be better for our future than paying an old journeyman. certainly saving the money and diversifying it along the entire roster would be a good thing. and if we finish with a4- 12 record or worse no big loss we have a chance at a great player in the draft next year. that’s thinking towards the future. Keeping Palmer for 1 year does not help our future in any conceivable way.
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If Terelle Pryor was Andrew Luck your argument would make sense. He’s not Andrew Luck. There are serious questions as to whether Pryor can even make it as an NFL starter, and even those that give him a shot to do so are saying that he’s not close to ready to take that step. Not a good comparison at all.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
it makes sense when you consider Carson isnt an elite quarterback or a difference maker..
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And the pro Palmer people seem to agree he’s not a difference maker. He needs a perfect pocket, #1 WR’s and a 1000 yd rusher. AND a Top Rated Defense!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
TE Brandon Bostick, QB B.J. Coleman, T Andrew Datko, C Garth Gerhart, G Joe Gibbs, LB Micah Johnson, CB James Nixon and S Chaz Powell.
Alright Packers. Give em up!
March 8th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
There is no Andrew luck in the 2014 NFL draft. If there was I would want us to ir every starter after day one of training camp.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
freaking reggie i hope you’re awake
March 8th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
let’s hope moore steater dhb and ford are are working as hard on catching as pryor is on his game
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Thec Says:
From what I hear, all of these guys are working out with Pryor daily at Laney CC.
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When I first read the list of names, the first thing tha stood out to me was they all needed the work, except Hagan. Maybe Streater, but as a rookie it couldn’t hurt. Pryor and Ford didn’t get true practice snaps and the other three regressed. Maybe Knapp, maybe not.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Reggie: “Carson, we want you back, but need you to take a modest paycut.”
Carson: “How modest ?”
Reggie: “4 million. You’ll still be making 9 million.”
Carson (after thinking it over and realizing he’s not likely to do better than that on the open market): “Make it 10, and you’ve got a deal.”
Reggie: “9.5″
Carson: “Done. Draw up the paper work.”
Something like this will happen, and Dakota won’t have to worry about tanking the season.
March 8th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Theres a clown though..
March 8th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/55719/shane-lechlers-market-may-grow
March 8th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Down for clown? Sounds kinda weird.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/2/19/4002784/2013-nfl-free-agency-potential-giants-target-richard-seymour-dl
March 8th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Clowny’s hype will fizzle out over the next year or so.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Maybe Pryor will have some packages designed for him this season…..I mean Lechler is leaving and someone has to hold for jano right?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Reggie shoulda never fired Hue. That opened up the gates of disaster to bring in DA, and knapp. KNAPP? Really? How we got to 4-12 is amazing. Shoulda been 1-15. Now knapp can have a good laugh with fox. What ya wanna bet fox keeps knapp away from Manning.
Firing Hue was just plain stupid. STUPID. Now we go backwards. This team struggles, and we sure as he11 don’t need any more help doin it.
Bring back Hue NOW!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9030868/nfl-terrelle-pryor-far-go
Is Terrelle Pryor fooling himself?
Jeff Chadhia aint buying the hype!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Was watching some hey rookie thing and I think his first two preseason throws were picks one a pick six. I think he might know how close pryor is. And that may determine his decisio. Ion his pay cut. Its one thing to take a pay cut to start. Its amother to just be in contention
March 8th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
it makes sense when you consider Carson isnt an elite quarterback or a difference maker..
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And the pro Palmer people seem to agree he’s not a difference maker. He needs a perfect pocket, #1 WR’s and a 1000 yd rusher. AND a Top Rated Defense!
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Not top rated…but I would say he would do better w/o the worst defense in Raider history though.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Maybe Pryor will have some packages designed for him this season…..I mean Lechler is leaving and someone has to hold for jano right?
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Trolling today, Dakota?
What’s happening in SF’s? Any good turkey shooting?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
And the pro Palmer people seem to agree he’s not a difference maker. He needs a perfect pocket, #1 WR’s and a 1000 yd rusher. AND a Top Rated Defense!
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I’m pro palmer, and pryor. whoever the fcking QB is needs serious help at RB, WR, TE, o-line, defense, coaching staff, kicking game, officials, press, and fan support. QB or no QB, this team is crying for help.
They are begging, begging for help.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
1263.KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
it makes sense when you consider Carson isnt an elite quarterback or a difference maker..
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And the pro Palmer people seem to agree he’s not a difference maker. He needs a perfect pocket, #1 WR’s and a 1000 yd rusher. AND a Top Rated Defense!
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I think that the vast majority of us that want Palmer back this year are aware of what he is, and isn’t. The reason we want him back is because he’s the best we have right now, there is no better free agent option, and his (assumed) eventual replacement hasn’t demonstrated to the staff that he’s ready to take over.
We’re better with him than we are without him, and just as it is with every other QB in the league, the better your supporting cast, the better your chances of doing well. It’s natural to want more talented players on your team. If it helps the QB it helps the whole team, and everybody’s happy.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
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Thec Says:
From what I hear, all of these guys are working out with Pryor daily at Laney CC.
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Sources say someone named “grass” is catching 53% of the passes in those sessions.
Seceret weapon?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
This team took a serious toilet plunge when Reg fired Hue. ‘Nuff said.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Still no news?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
1273.rediaR Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Clowny’s hype will fizzle out over the next year or so.
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Not a chance. That kid is the RGIII/Andrew Luck of the 2014 draft. Whoever gets him gets a perennial All-Pro.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Welcome to neutered football. The Raiders are a new version of the old Raiders. Neutered and ready for the least amount of fans they can muster. Reg and DA KNOW they are gonna be crap so they pre-empted to reduce the seating. Bold move considering we are the most popular team of all teams on the planet.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Good move Reg. Way to hire knapp DA. You guys are doing great. 4-12. Spectacular football. 2-14 here we come.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
I did not know this:
The most promising news for Pryor is that he is working with excellent coaches. He hired Steve Clarkson (who trained Ben Roethlisberger), George Whitfield (Cam Newton, Andrew Luck) and former junior college coach Craig Austin to teach him the finer points of operating out of the pocket. It’s hard to believe Pryor’s head isn’t spinning with that much daily tutelage, but it’s also his money. If this is how he’ll best develop, then he might as well go all out.
ITS HIS MONEY! I really like this kid now!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Remember that silly commercial where Mark Sanchez throws a football out of the stadium (like he has that kind of arm strength) and into the hands of some random guy on the street? I always wanted to switch that up so it started with a clip of Jamarcus throwing one of his wild passes, instead of Sanchez.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
1273.rediaR Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Clowny’s hype will fizzle out over the next year or so.
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Not a chance. That kid is the RGIII/Andrew Luck of the 2014 draft. Whoever gets him gets a perennial All-Pro.
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We’ll see.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Clowney is legit. He was far and away the highest ranked (and most heavily recruited) player in the country coming out of high school. Could have played anywhere. Could have gone to LSU or Alabama and played in one of those great defenses and been protected, but he didn’t. Went to South Carolina and dominated anyway. Lived up to every bit of the hype.
I don’t normally predict stuff like this, but I am confident that Clowney will be a great pro player.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
I take better sh!ts than this fckng team plays. Hue had us where we needed to be. Now what, maybe in another 15 or so years with a dozen or so new HCs we’ll sniff a wild card? We just gotta hope KC, SD, and denver are all worse crap than us to have a chance. Not likely those 3 teams will be turd bombs all in the same year. Not likely at all,
March 8th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
re: Branch contract
$3.514 million in dead money will hit the cap in 2016, after the final two years void
-PFT
woohoo, cant wait!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Hue was fired cause he was in line to replace Steve Jobs, the Pope, and Hue Heffner, no way we could have kept him!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
trim the fat, Reggie!
March 12th we will trade or cut Palmer, Huff, McClain, Kelly & Heyward-Bey
DMAC won’t be traded until draft day
March 8th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Man, Adrian Wilson was cut and we are stuck with Branch and Huffy?! daaaaaaaammmmmmn!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
1263.KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
it makes sense when you consider Carson isnt an elite quarterback or a difference maker..
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And the pro Palmer people seem to agree he’s not a difference maker. He needs a perfect pocket, #1 WR’s and a 1000 yd rusher. AND a Top Rated Defense!
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I think that the vast majority of us that want Palmer back this year are aware of what he is, and isn’t. The reason we want him back is because he’s the best we have right now, there is no better free agent option, and his (assumed) eventual replacement hasn’t demonstrated to the staff that he’s ready to take over.
We’re better with him than we are without him, and just as it is with every other QB in the league, the better your supporting cast, the better your chances of doing well. It’s natural to want more talented players on your team. If it helps the QB it helps the whole team, and everybody’s happy.
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Raiders are rebuilding. This is NOT a super bowl year. Palmer would be like “duck tape”. Pryor would be like trying to make an effort to build a foundation. I would rather see them try to build a foundation then use duck tape. Also next year would be so much more entertaining with TP at QB.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
trim the fat, Reggie!
March 12th we will trade or cut Palmer, Huff, McClain, Kelly & Heyward-Bey
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Right. And right after that we’ll announce multi-year deals for Kirk Morrison, Johnnie Lee Higgins and Charlie Frye.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
I did not know this:
The most promising news for Pryor is that he is working with excellent coaches. He hired Steve Clarkson (who trained Ben Roethlisberger), George Whitfield (Cam Newton, Andrew Luck) and former junior college coach Craig Austin to teach him the finer points of operating out of the pocket. It’s hard to believe Pryor’s head isn’t spinning with that much daily tutelage, but it’s also his money. If this is how he’ll best develop, then he might as well go all out.
ITS HIS MONEY! I really like this kid now!
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He probably took it to heart when Reggie said it’s all on him.
I agree. That’s pretty cool. Can’t help but root for the guy.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Good sign that Pryor is working on his throwing…..he needs a lot of help. Good work ethic.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
If u guys think Reggie is okay with going 2-14 as part of his “rebuild” than fine. Reggie won’t be around to see the fine foundation he laid.
2-14 gets him canned.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RaidO,
I understand the argument. Just don’t agree with it.
We’ll see what happens.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
#1301 true….and da too.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
The two worst safeties in NFL DITTOOOOOOO!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
right after that we’ll announce multi-year deals for Kirk Morrison, Johnnie Lee Higgins and Charlie Frye.
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Frye?
since when did he become my guy, Blackbeard?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RaidO,
Foundations are exactly what you want for long term success. Reggie talks about it all the time, so I’m pretty sure he knows how important it is.
Perhaps more important than the foundation itself, however, is what it’s built on.
We will know in the coming weeks whether McKenzie is willing to build his on Terrelle Pryor.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
I imagine this blog would be dead if they woulda just played pryor tje last 4
March 8th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
1305.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
right after that we’ll announce multi-year deals for Kirk Morrison, Johnnie Lee Higgins and Charlie Frye.
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Frye?
since when did he become my guy, Blackbeard?
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Leinart’s a FA. You cut Palmer so we needed another QB. Figured he was as good as any of the other scrubs out there.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RaidO,
Foundations are exactly what you want for long term success. Reggie talks about it all the time, so I’m pretty sure he knows how important it is.
Perhaps more important than the foundation itself, however, is what it’s built on.
We will know in the coming weeks whether McKenzie is willing to build his on Terrelle Pryor.
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Nope, we’ll find out in Training Camp and Preseason.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Leinart’s a FA. You cut Palmer so we needed another QB. Figured he (Frye) was as good as any of the other scrubs out there.
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Attn: Blackbeard
Matt Cassel, Rex Grossman, Drew Stanton or Tyler Thigpen … that is who will be signed to compete with Pryor
then we’ll add another vet journeyman 3rd string clipboard holder to “mentor”.
Somebody like Kellen Clemens, Luke McCown, Derek Anderson or David Carr …
March 8th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
They’re making fun of Al’s signing of Desmond Howard and Larry Brown on NFLN.
Larry Brown is the most perplexing of all of Al’s FA signings.
I never understood it.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
1309.KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RaidO,
Foundations are exactly what you want for long term success. Reggie talks about it all the time, so I’m pretty sure he knows how important it is.
Perhaps more important than the foundation itself, however, is what it’s built on.
We will know in the coming weeks whether McKenzie is willing to build his on Terrelle Pryor.
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Nope, we’ll find out in Training Camp and Preseason.
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How do you see the Raiders going into the preseason, Kell? Serious question.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Question:
Not sure what the rush is to cut CP or have him take a paycut. Seems like the Raiders have plenty of time to hash out a deal with him.
If Palmer doesn’t agree can’t they just cut him loose after preseason final cuts?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Most Qbs in the league need “alot of help” there is only about 5 premire qbs in the NFL.. the rest need help and train hard every offseason.
Kaepernick was not proven till he was given a chance had a legit coach to coach him up. Pryor had zero reps his first year, and sat out 5 games into season couldnt even practice with the team
This past year he was number 3 and go No 1st team reps.. he really has brought himself along ..and Coach FLIP.. and what Palmer has helped.
Now he is spending out of his own money and with the number 1 guy that brough him here passed AL. Great work ethic.. however it seems like Reggie and Mark Davis are on his side now
March 8th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
1310.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Leinart’s a FA. You cut Palmer so we needed another QB. Figured he (Frye) was as good as any of the other scrubs out there.
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Attn: Blackbeard
Matt Cassel, Rex Grossman, Drew Stanton or Tyler Thigpen … that is who will be signed to compete with Pryor
then we’ll add another vet journeyman 3rd string clipboard holder to “mentor”.
Somebody like Kellen Clemens, Luke McCown, Derek Anderson or David Carr …
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David Carr is the only one on that list I would even consider, and certainly not to replace Palmer.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Depending on the date Carson Palmer’s contract becomes guaranteed, there has to be advantages for Raiders to drag their feet on the matter.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
If u guys think Reggie is okay with going 2-14 as part of his “rebuild” than fine. Reggie won’t be around to see the fine foundation he laid.
2-14 gets him canned.
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you guys are hilarious
we go 4-12 with Palmer and 2-14 without him?
Reggie isn’t getting fired unless he does something personal to Mark. He will finish out his 5-year contract
if DA gets fired? fine – that is what 99% of you guys want anyways
Tarver is tied to DA since they run the defense together. Funny thing is we already have replacements on the coaching staff if DA’s guys tank
HC Sparano
OC Al Saunders
DC Bob Sanders
March 8th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
People expecting Raiders QB Carson Palmer to take a pay cut are overlooking a few things. One, Palmer is the one with the leverage here.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RaiderNation4Life @Nation4Life
@CorkOnTheNFL I’d rather be 4-12 and get TP experience for future then start Palmer and be 7-9 when he’s NOT the future. Got nothing to lose
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
Only i think he can win more then 4 games especially if the run game is back
March 8th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
“@brian_fischer17: @CorkOnTheNFL Raiders aren’t gonna make playoffs with Pryor or Palmer, so might as well go Pryor” — A true thinking man.
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hmmm
March 8th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
1316.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
SBreport @SBreport
Depending on the date Carson Palmer’s contract becomes guaranteed, there has to be advantages for Raiders to drag their feet on the matter.
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Translation; “We have no idea what’s going to happen, or when.
We’ll keep running speculation from time to time though, because it generates website hits and we get paid when that happens.”
March 8th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Is corky ever right?
March 8th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Hahaha
March 8th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
People expecting Raiders QB Carson Palmer to take a pay cut are overlooking a few things. One, Palmer is the one with the leverage here.
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I’ve said it before, my opinion of Palmer would change if he refuses to take less $$$.
He can’t be so proud to think it’s an insult to make a little less than Aaron Rodgers. C’mon.
I thought he didn’t need the money…
I’m jumpin’ the gun a bit but i’m curious why this is taking so long.
March 8th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
It’s Palmer with the leverage but I hope he becomes a good soldier n takes the pay cut for the team , that will say a lot about him
March 8th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
mcxcusein all day ling…
March 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
David Carr is the only one on that list I would even consider, and certainly not to replace Palmer.
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Really, Blackbeard?
I’ll take Drew Stanton to compete with Pryor & Luke McCown as the vet mentor / QB Coach type
Stanton (28yo) 5 years NFL experience. McCown (31yo) 9 years
Drew had a few solid starts subbing for Stafford if I recall. Last time I saw Luke throw a football was like 2007 in Tampa
March 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Reggie maybe has to do the other contracts before Palmer. They’re getting done as we’ve seen the last few days.
Reggie’s a prudent man. He knows what he’s doing, with this stuff.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Remember when even David Carr tore up the Tom cable raiders.
Good times.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Hahahahaha. Jim Mora is the best. Everytime I hear him say ‘we couldn’t do diddly poo out there today. We couldn’t pass, we couldn’t catch…we sucked’.
That right there is gold.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
1328.KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Reggie maybe has to do the other contracts before Palmer. They’re getting done as we’ve seen the last few days.
Reggie’s a prudent man. He knows what he’s doing, with this stuff.
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+1
March 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/cardinals-are-expected-to-target-a-quarterback-but-who/
Palmer to Arizona?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
carrs a decent qb but needs protection
March 8th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
mcxcusein all day ling…
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Relax. Reggie knows what he’s doing, and is gradually cleaning up the mess Al cursed us all with.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
1328.KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Reggie maybe has to do the other contracts before Palmer. They’re getting done as we’ve seen the last few days.
Reggie’s a prudent man. He knows what he’s doing, with this stuff.
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+1
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You’re probably right. I’m getting a little antsy though.
There needs to be a general sense of urgency…but no need to rush into a rash outcome.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
quack…reggie is shaking in his boots…he had to restructure two contracts…the ones he made…lol…talk about going in circles.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
Rockstar,
Neither one is going to be your franchise guy. I think you roll with the veteran if there’s not much of a difference, talent-wise. You’re generally in safer hands and he can mentor your QB of the future having actually played in the system.
That’s just personal preference for me, though. I could see going with Stafford if you thought he was better.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Does mark seem like a patient guy after his post game tirade?
Does Reggie place his future in pryors hands?
Does DA sacrifice any chance he has at keeping his job by starting Pryor?
I’ll eat my hat if we go into 2013 with Pryor as the starter.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
It’s Palmer with the leverage but I hope he becomes a good soldier n takes the pay cut for the team , that will say a lot about him
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Link?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
I really don’t see how Palmer “has the leverage.” It’s not like anyone else is lining up to pay him $13 million, which is a ridiculous sum for his projected production.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
quack…reggie is shaking in his boots…he had to restructure two contracts…the ones he made…lol…talk about going in circles.
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So every other GM who restructures contracts is also shaking in their boots as well? Good to know.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
We might just be faceless bloggers but alot of us know when somethings not right.
You NEVER completely trust ANY gm to do the right things.
GM’s are WRONG…many times. We know it right away.
I’m not gonna sit here and brag that I predicted certain outcomes…but I did. I KNEW we should’ve drafted Adrian Peterson, I KNEW Larry Brown was a below average schlep. EVERYBODY did. I’m just giving a couple examples off the top of my head.
All we can do is HOPE Reggie makes the best moves.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
According to Profootballtalk.com, there is “speculation in league circles” that the Cardinals are “waiting” for the Raiders to release Carson Palmer.
Very interesting. Although Palmer is so immobile at age 33 that he requires strong pass protection — not something Arizona possesses, currently — he still throws the football well enough downfield to fit Bruce Arians’ vertical passing game. Palmer is a middle-of-the-road quarterback at this stage of his career, but he’d be a mammoth upgrade on last year’s Skelton-Kolb-Lindley merry-go-round. It’d be a big plus for Larry Fitzgerald’s 2013 fantasy outlook.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
I wonder how Reggie really feels about Palmer.. everyone is under the impression he likes the guy.. I mean he is stuck with him last year and his contract… but maybe he is thinking how to get rid of him.
Guys like Ed Werner and Ian Rapport wouldnt be talking about Raiders getting rid of palmer if they didnt hear anything. Especially Ed who said it was told to him at the combine that Reggie is ready to pass this year to PRYOR
March 8th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RaiderNation4Life @Nation4Life
@CorkOnTheNFL I’d rather be 4-12 and get TP experience for future then start Palmer and be 7-9 when he’s NOT the future. Got nothing to lose
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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What flawed logic. Its like saying if we don’t make the playoffs why not just lose out for a better draft pick.
It makes me sick to think people rather try not to win games because “we are not going to be good anyways” Loser mentality will generate losing results. To build a franchise you have to build off progression, not roll the dice and see what happens.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Rudegruden Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
It makes me sick to think people rather try not to win games because “we are not going to be good anyways” Loser mentality will generate losing results. To build a franchise you have to build off progression, not roll the dice and see what happens.
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I still remember on this very board late in 2007 after we’d pulled out a surprise win over Cleveland (I think). Somebody-or-other actually came on here COMPLAINING about the win “because now we won’t be able to draft McFadden.”
People lose the forest for the trees around here.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
One thing we can say about Pryor (and could never say about JaMarcus): If he doesn’t succeed at QB, it will never be for a lack of trying.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Rudegruden Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
RaiderNation4Life @Nation4Life
@CorkOnTheNFL I’d rather be 4-12 and get TP experience for future then start Palmer and be 7-9 when he’s NOT the future. Got nothing to lose
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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What flawed logic. Its like saying if we don’t make the playoffs why not just lose out for a better draft pick.
It makes me sick to think people rather try not to win games because “we are not going to be good anyways” Loser mentality will generate losing results. To build a franchise you have to build off progression, not roll the dice and see what happens.
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A “Rookieish” TP should do just as good as a average or mediocre always going to throw a INT in the critical part of the game Palmer.
Raiders will be ok.
Rebuiling! You can’t say rebuilding with out the “build”
March 8th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Neither one is going to be your franchise guy. I think you roll with the veteran if there’s not much of a difference, talent-wise. You’re generally in safer hands and he can mentor your QB of the future having actually played in the system.
That’s just personal preference for me, though
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Attn: Blackbeard
you hit the nail on the head with your first sentence. 2013 doesn’t feature a franchise QB unless Pryor develops into that guy. If he doesn’t, you draft a QB in 2014 – a much stronger QB draft class
2013 is a stopgap starter if Pryor gets beat out. Pryor doesn’t need Carson Palmer to be his vet mentor. You can find a veteran willing to bring along the young hungry kid for a buttload less than $13-16 million per season
TP6 is responsible for his own development. His main resources are Olson, Saunders & Flip. Plus he hired some guys on his own to help him along this offseason
March 8th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Palmer is due to receive a base salary of $13 million in 2013. The Raiders are expected to press him to take less, and to cut him if he won’t.
Once again, don’t rule out the possibility of a trade, coupled with a new deal that pays Palmer less than $13 million but more than the Raiders are willing to invest. Even if the Raiders get only a low-round draft pick, it’s better than nothing.
Especially after giving up a first-round pick and a second-round pick to get him. ”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/cardinals-are-expected-to-target-a-quarterback-but-who/
March 8th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Down for clown? Sounds kinda weird.
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Sounds much better than “Goin Down on The Clown!”
Just sayin! LMAO
March 8th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGetit has it right!
According to Profootballtalk.com, there is “speculation in league circles” that the Cardinals are “waiting” for the Raiders to release Carson Palmer.
Very interesting. Although Palmer is so immobile at age 33 that he requires strong pass protection — not something Arizona possesses, currently — he still throws the football well enough downfield to fit Bruce Arians’ vertical passing game. Palmer is a middle-of-the-road quarterback at this stage of his career, but he’d be a mammoth upgrade on last year’s Skelton-Kolb-Lindley merry-go-round. It’d be a big plus for Larry Fitzgerald’s 2013 fantasy outlook.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Neither one is going to be your franchise guy
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You dont know that. That is your opinion. If reggie feels he can.. he is gonna let him try
March 8th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
“Once again, don’t rule out the possibility of a trade, coupled with a new deal that pays Palmer less than $13 million but more than the Raiders are willing to invest. Even if the Raiders get only a low-round draft pick, it’s better than nothing. per PFT ”
Solid. Yep
March 8th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
I hope to read this weekend “Palmer restructures” so all Palmer haters and Pryor lovers shut up and turn the page.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Ron69 Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
I hope to read this weekend “Palmer restructures” so all Palmer haters and Pryor lovers shut up and turn the page.
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That would be the best alternative, but maybe Palmer’s refusing to restructure.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
I hope Palmer restructures so we could get the most out of a trade…he would be a whole lot more value!!
March 8th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
*valuable
March 8th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
I hope to read this weekend “Palmer restructures” so all Palmer haters and Pryor lovers shut up and turn the page.
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That would only be the begining. Pryor could still beat out Palmer in training camp.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Evening, all!
Any truth to what I saw about Palmer being cut? I was just scanning and don’t know if someone was just fcking with us.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Its not like Palmer showed anything good towards the end of the season
March 8th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
After seeing how many coaches TP appears to have hired, is there any limit on the number of coaches an NFL team can have?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
its his private coaching.. nothin to do with the team
March 8th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
R8eray Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
I hope Palmer restructures so we could get the most out of a trade…he would be a whole lot more value!!
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Maybe that’s why he won’t — why take a pay cut and get told where he’s going when he can force us to cut him and then pick his own destination?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Just w1n .
March 8th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Maybe that’s why he won’t — why take a pay cut and get told where he’s going when he can force us to cut him and then pick his own destination?
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Thats why cork said he has all the leverage.. and PFT said other teams have to be talking to his agent even though it shouldnt happen but agents still do it. So he might know of other teams
March 8th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
PFT said other teams have to be talking to his agent even though it shouldnt happen but agents still do it. So he might know of other teams
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Unless Reggie, still hoping for a trade, gave him permission to talk to other teams.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Anybuddy seen Purvisman? Wonder if his baby llama arrived yet?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
1353.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Neither one is going to be your franchise guy
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You dont know that. That is your opinion. If reggie feels he can.. he is gonna let him try
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Are we referring to the same thing? I was saying that neither David Carr nor Drew Stanton was going to be your franchise guy.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
no quack only the 4-12 ones…lol
March 8th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
nobody wants to play for donkey and shrek…
March 8th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Allday, I understand it’s private coaching. I was just wondering if there was a limit to the size of an NFL staff.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
*coaching staff
March 8th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
nobody wants to play for donkey and shrek…
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Beats playing for Senile Al…
March 8th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Unless Reggie, still hoping for a trade, gave him permission to talk to other teams.
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No i think PFT was implying they dont have permission yet agents still get “feelers” from other teams which is why they turn down pay cuts like WIMBLEY did
March 8th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
How would three coaches work with Pryor compared to one coach? Anybody have a guess?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Palmer and our 1st to Arizona for 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
nobody wants to play for donkey and shrek…
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Beats playing for Senile Al…
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Watch it punk…You’re ripping on the icon.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
How would three coaches work with Pryor compared to one coach? Anybody have a guess?
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Fart,
he went to an agency where those 3 guys are available to work with QB’s. doesn’t mean all 3 are working with him each time
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
How would three coaches work with Pryor compared to one coach? Anybody have a guess?
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He probably has one for footwork, one for arm mechanics and another for…defense-reading or something?
Anyway, it shows he has more drive, guts and commitment than 1,000,000 JaPaychecks. He puts Purple Drank to shame.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Watch it punk…You’re ripping on the icon.
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That’s nice. Al was an embarrassment his final decade.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
I hope we don’t get Randy Moss’d again (remember 2007?)
watching us accept a 4th for Palmer when SF got two 2nd rounders for Alex Smith would be nothing short of a disappointment imo
March 8th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
According to Profootballtalk.com, there is “speculation in league circles” that the Cardinals are “waiting” for the Raiders to release Carson Palmer.
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Force their hand! We have the space to keep him as of now. So keep him and try to squeeze something out of them in a trade. KC traded a 2nd rounder for Alex Smith with an 8 mill contract. That’s a lot of dough for a game manager.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
I just sent the Raiders an e-mail
we’ll see if Reggie listens …
March 8th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
I hope we don’t get Randy Moss’d again (remember 2007?)
watching us accept a 4th for Palmer when SF got two 2nd rounders for Alex Smith would be nothing short of a disappointment imo
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Different situations. Besides, KC got hosed.
March 8th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
nobody wants to play for donkey and shrek…
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Beats playing for Senile Al…
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You got that right. It’s Davis’ legacy that’s responsible for tying Reggie’s hands.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
I’m sure 5 or 6 teams would be interested if Palmer was given permission to seek a trade (like Wimbley was)
unfortunately – teams might just wait until he’s dumped, knowing we can’t afford to give him $13-16 mil and it’s just a matter of time before he’s released
March 8th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RR and Duck, thanks. I figured they weren’t working with him all at the same time. I was wondering, if all three are quarterback coaches, are they all on the same page when they work with him individually. Also, are telling Pryor what he needs to do, is Pryor telling them what he wants to work on or a combination of both 9or something else)?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
I’m sure 5 or 6 teams would be interested if Palmer was given permission to seek a trade (like Wimbley was)
unfortunately – teams might just wait until he’s dumped, knowing we can’t afford to give him $13-16 mil and it’s just a matter of time before he’s released
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The problem is they won’t be interested until after the draft. By then, the contract could be guaranteed.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
1377.RaiderRetribution Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Palmer and our 1st to Arizona for 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
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Two things; we’d have to be in love with Pryor or Geno Smith to make a move like that. And, you’d have to be sure you were getting Smith if he was your guy. Arizona could take him anyway, and Buffalo or somebody else could trade with Cleveland to jump you.
You would have to be certain you had your guy. Reggie seems to me to be a deliberate person. I don’t see him taking risks with draft picks unless he’s positive he has his QB at the end of the day.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Jeez… Right around 80% of you guys are clueless nitwits.
I can only imagine which ones are pointing at the others right now…
I’m starting to see where Raider fans got the rep.
Raider fans used to be knowledgeable. Prior to 1982. Now, it’s like they give out Raider shirts with AFDC cards….
March 8th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Go warriors!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
SBReport just tweeted that Palmer’s contract is no-trade.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
R8eray Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
I hope Palmer restructures so we could get the most out of a trade…he would be a whole lot more value!!
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Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
Maybe that’s why he won’t — why take a pay cut and get told where he’s going when he can force us to cut him and then pick his own destination?
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That’s his leverage, for those that have asked.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
The move to L.A. brought in the fans that we didn’t really want. That minority are the ones keeping the Raiders from having sellouts now. They didn’t exist prior to the move.
Who wants to deal with a bunch of drunk roofers and sheetrockers roaming the stadium yelling “Oakland…Raiders…” while they slop beer on everyone in the area?
Worth $1500.00 a year?
Nope.
There are 35,000 or so of these idiots keeping the other 100,000 fans from buying season tickets.
I’m sure people will deny it, but it’s an absolute fact.
It’s also the Reason the Raiders arec likely headed back to L.A. in the next five years….
March 8th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Palmer and our 1st to Arizona for 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
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That seems like a fair deal, thats probably what it would cost for them to move up anyway, Palmer would just be the icing on the cake, GET IT DONE REGGIE!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
How would three coaches work with Pryor compared to one coach? Anybody have a guess?
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I’m sure there’s a joke in there, but aside from admiring his dedication, I’m feeling non-confontational tonight.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
549.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 5:59 am
I wish they would make the final decision on Slo already so I can ship my jersey off to 504 Raider.
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Yeah bro I’m still waiting on that dbl nickle.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
P-man, you’re a funny guy. How’s things on the llama front…er,..rear tonight?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
ahhh poor shrek his hands were tied…good he wouldve gotten us to 1-15…what a freakin loser.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
go watch golf if you dont want rowdy fans…better yet move to houston…
March 8th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
F.A.R.T.,Today was the theoretical due date(345 days after breeding). First time mama so no history to go by. Next one’s due end of the month. Wouldn’t be unusual for her to hold it ’till that one pops out and get inspired herself.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
ahhh poor shrek his hands were tied…good he wouldve gotten us to 1-15…what a freakin loser.
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You’d rather have Senile Al back? We were lucky to get Reggie.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
SBReport just tweeted that Palmer’s contract is no-trade.
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how is that even possible?
Reggie inherited that contract from Hue Jax –> from the Bengals, who TRADED him to us!
it was restructured and we added a few “voidable” years
the NO_TRADE thing would be a shock to everybody!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
1393.Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
SBReport just tweeted that Palmer’s contract is no-trade.
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Too lazy to search, so forgive me. Did they say whether or not he can waive that?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Hope one of you tweeters is following jay glazer. He will probably break the Palmer news when whatever happens happens.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
SBReport just tweeted that Palmer’s contract is no-trade.
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how is that even possible?
Reggie inherited that contract from Hue Jax –> from the Bengals, who TRADED him to us!
it was restructured and we added a few “voidable” years
the NO_TRADE thing would be a shock to everybody!
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Remember that we totally reworked Palmer’s deal right after he got here. Maybe that was part of it.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
That would be awesome if we could trade Carson to AZ.
Quit on Cincy, only to play out the string in Oakland and Arizona.
Serves him right.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
SB report is worthless, don’t listen to a word they say.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Anybody remember this?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000098937/article/carson-palmer-i-needed-to-be-traded-out-of-cincinnati
Palmer amped to face off against his former team, the “revenge game” like Culpepper had versus Miami
promptly does a faceplant. went 19/34 for 146 yards with 1 TD and 2 turnovers (despite getting 100 yards off 22 carries by Reece & Stewart)
March 8th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
P-man, got it. I guess we should be glad the human female’s birth cycle is only 270 days (+/-). I probably worded that wrong…..
March 8th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
nite gents!
March 8th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
i would rather have al over reggie any day…enough with the gb practice squad players…
March 8th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
i would rather have al over reggie any day…enough with the gb practice squad players…
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You realize they were improvements over who we had, right?
March 8th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
4 more days
March 8th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
1397.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
How would three coaches work with Pryor compared to one coach? Anybody have a guess?
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I’m sure there’s a joke in there, but aside from admiring his dedication, I’m feeling non-confontational tonight.
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lol
March 8th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
They merely quoted Cork’s tweet saying Palmer’s contract numbers make trade prohibitive.
March 8th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
i would rather have al over reggie any day…enough with the gb practice squad players…
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You realize they were improvements over who we had, right?
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You would never hear a single good thing about the Raiders from this guy , but he will talk up man D which was always bottom 5 in the league since 03, couldn’t force a single punt with game on the line, this guy is def just spewing sh1t to get people hate on the current management just after 1 year In a salary cap hell season , there’s no point of arguin with this whiners f@g
March 8th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
March 8th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Nite, RR…
March 8th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
who? bartell? spencer? lee? briesel? smith? bergstrom? lmao…only quack…
March 8th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
1417.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
They merely quoted Cork’s tweet saying Palmer’s contract numbers make trade prohibitive.
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That makes sense. If there actually was a no-trade clause in Palmer’s contract we’d probably have known before now.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
P-man, got it. I guess we should be glad the human female’s birth cycle is only 270 days (+/-). I probably worded that wrong…..
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Gestation would be the more economical way to phrase it.
More than two weeks earlier than 345 days and you probably will have issues, but I,ve seen ‘em go out to 375 days. Drives you nuts sometimes.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
yeah the great zone defense if 2012…funny they changed to man and did better…
March 8th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
I realize talk is cheap, but based on this interview I kind of like this Olsen cat:
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Six-Questions-with-Greg-Olson/481b6017-c566-49fc-94f1-569b496c555f
March 8th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
who? bartell? spencer? lee? briesel? smith? bergstrom? lmao…only quack…
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Adams and Spencer were both major improvements over DVD.
Smith, as bad as he was, was still better than Barksdale.
Bergstrom will probably start for us next year.
Wheeler, Goodson, Burris and Streater were outstanding pickups.
Need I go on?
March 8th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
when shrek cuts/trades palmer you know he is waiving the white flag….mercy.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I’m getting tired of these North Koreans. We should explain to them that every golf course in America contains a squadron of ICBM’s under those greens and give them an idea of how many courses there are here. And that they all can be targeted at the Great Leader’s derriere on a moment’s notice.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
lmao…quack you truly are blind….watch the fonal game and see adams get rapd over and over again…
March 8th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
when shrek cuts/trades palmer you know he is waiving the white flag….mercy.
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Reggie is the Raiders now, and this team will reflect his vision. Either get on board or go root for somebody else.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Once we dump McClain and rework/cut TK and DHB and rework Huff we’ll have plenty of cap room. Palmer’s not going anywhere.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
we will see when holmgren and chucky return.,,
March 8th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
That would be awesome if we could trade Carson to AZ.
Quit on Cincy, only to play out the string in Oakland and Arizona.
Serves him right.
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AZ is a good team in need of a QB and LT…….getting palmer into arians O without giving up picks and using their top pick on a LT will solve their 2 biggest needs
March 8th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
236 passing yards per game allowed with shreks hand picked guys…lol the guy is a joke
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
we will see when holmgren and chucky return.,,
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Holmgren’s a disaster as a GM, and Jon Gruden’s best coaching days are long behind him.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9030868/nfl-terrelle-pryor-far-go
March 8th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
236 passing yards per game allowed with shreks hand picked guys…lol the guy is a joke
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He was doing the best he could with the mess Al left him.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
im sure he wont put up a 4-12 record…holmgren runs circles around shrek…
March 8th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
quack are mcxcusein too now…cmon.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
im sure he wont put up a 4-12 record…holmgren runs circles around shrek…
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Please tell us about all the great personnel moves Holmgren made in Cleveland.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
i especially liked the twenty yard cushions with zone coverage…and people complain about a lack of pass rush…LT pushing DT couldnt get there fast enough…( taylor and thomas for the newbies…)
March 8th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
ill tell you he was smart enough to keep cribbs on board…
March 8th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Pryor will be wildly successful. It is not a matter of “IF” it’s a matter a when and how good he will ultimately be. That kids talent is limitless it’s up to him just how good he will be. I cannot wait to witness this kids development and just how he will attack NFL defenses. TP’s career hasn’t even started yet when he was at OSU he wasn’t used properly now he will display what a QB with his skillset does and how difficult it is to defend them. His size and athleticism has never been seen at this level.
Many think he will essentially be a running QB with so so passing skills. They are in for a shock because TP will be a pocket passer first and a runner 3rd, when they see how smoothly he runs the offense it’ll sink in just how gifted this kid is. Pryor is anything BUT a running QB he is a QB who will do it all very well but if you force him to run. YOu wont like the results because he will destroy NFL defenses with his athleticism and competitiveness.
The Pryority is teh best kept secret in this league………….period
Just wait until they get a load of this kid…
March 8th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
ill tell you he was smart enough to keep cribbs on board…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He is a good coach, but he is not a good GM IMO.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
15 minutes to the preason to the off season.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Once we dump McClain and rework/cut TK and DHB and rework Huff we’ll have plenty of cap room. Palmer’s not going anywhere.
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U are missing it. Raiders could keep palmer if they wanted.. I dont think REGGIE wants to pay Carson 13 million dollars regardless if they have it or dont
March 8th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Chiefs just signed Dunta Robinson per schefty
March 8th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Pryor’s a tough minded dude, too.
March 8th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Trade Palmer, start TP and sign Troy Smith as TP’s back-up! And draft Collin Klein in the 7th!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Chiefs signed CB Dunta Robinson to a three-year contract.
And so it begins. One hour before the free agency frenzy kicks off with the opening of the legal tampering window, the Chiefs step in and grab Robinson, who was released by the Falcons last Friday. Robinson was routinely beaten in coverage on the outside in Atlanta, but he’s always been a sure tackler in the run game. Kansas City could be snatching up Robinson to play slot corner or even free safety next to Eric Berry. He was owed $8 million with the Falcons, but shouldn’t get much more than half that from the Chiefs. The Robinson deal should not keep the active Chiefs out of the running for Sean Smith.
Related: Falcons
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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Meanwhile @ IHOP….
Chubby Checker: Zzzz…Zzzz…Zzzz…
Server: Sir…excuse me sir, are you okay?
Chubby Checker: Mark…is that you?
Server: Sir, we’re gonna have to ask you to leave. You’ve been here since Monday and you’ve been sleeping all day! Our restaurant has a policy! I’m sorry.
Chubby Checker: (utters indistinctly) Isn’t this Home of Chicken and Waffles?
Server: I’m sorry sir, you need to leave!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
1450…good one!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
LOL
March 8th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
March 8th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
March 8th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
So while the Chiefs GM is signing players at 8pm on Friday night, the Raiders GM is?
SMH…things will never change in Alameda!!
March 8th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
he is waiting on the gb practice squad cuts….
March 8th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
49ers trip: John Abraham got into town over an hour or so ago. He will have dinner with them and carry out his visit Saturday.
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
March 8th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Incarcerated Bob IBN @incarceratedbob
You see i was just about to chill and give the side piece some quality …. but now u fake insiders gonna have me go ham on the #NFL info
March 8th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Incarcerated Bob IBN @incarceratedbob
Besides the big name FA wide receivers we all know of, the guy getting the most calls already is #Edelman (Update Coming)
March 8th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
Even after Dunta Robinson deal, Chiefs make contact with Sean Smith http://wp.me/p14QSB-7And
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
March 8th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Dayum Queefs trying to come up huh??? OK… wait till we throw out Taiwan Jones at corner..
gonna be TAIWAN ISLAND ya dig!?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
John Dorsey Queefs GM comes from the Packers.. but he aint look for Practice squad talent it seems.. nor is he look for low tier FA’s HMMM
March 8th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
I think Reggie will go after 1 middle tier FA.. who knows who it will be.. hope we dont get scraps tho
March 8th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Chubby playing the role of a Jew…and it aint even his money!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
I would sign all of Niners FA’s honestly.. replace them with our players who are FA’s.. maybe sign wheeler and bryant
that would be
Issac Sopaga
Rick Jean Francois
Larry Foote
Tavares Goodwin (ST ace)
Ted Ginn Jr (return punts) 4th WR . .OUr own Mike Wallace Version
and their TE/ FB/ HB/ ST guy
March 8th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Fu*k same post. MR die!!!!!!!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
LOL Freaking people still talk to Mistic and AL the troll, when did these guys ever had anything good to say about the Raiders? It’s not hard to figure out these guys aren’t Raiders fans
March 8th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Figure these guys have problem with every Raider fan who says something good about the team , LMAO, n you guys think these guys are RAIDERS fans?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Meeks injured on the last play of the game cuz the lakers needed overtime to beat the fking raptors.
Smh
Kobe is pretty good though.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:12 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Interesting. Weren’t we supposed to be done with this sort of thing?
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The two extra years are non-guaranteed, so no biggie.
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Umm…hello?
“ESPN’s John Clayton reports the Oakland Raiders received than $7 million in cap room by restructuring safety Tyvon Branch’s deal done last year. There is a lot of dead money late in the contract, but for now, Oakland received some needed relief.”
March 8th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
I see the pzzy warriors failed us tonight.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Meeks injured on the last play of the game cuz the lakers needed overtime to beat the fking raptors.
Smh
Kobe is pretty good though.
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That’s good, the Lakers need to use more bench players, why they don’t give Ebanks no chance is out of my mind
March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Dakota, I’ll take that ugly “W” any day of the week…
How about the Black Mamba?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Meeks is a good 3 point shooter though, Ebanks and the other guy are better defenders
March 8th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Another special night for Kobe…better soak it in while we can…not too many of those left to watch.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Half game back of Utah, 2 back of Houston and 3 back of Golden state, good thing that all 3 teams aren’t doing that well lately, I’ll happily take 5th place and matchup with LACLippers, Memphis or Denver, LAClippers is better matchup though, plus they will never have to get outta LA for about 10 days
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Ebanks has no business being on an NBA roster.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Another game, another Warrior loss, another game Harrison Barnes gets manhandled by someone you never heard of.
2-10, 6 points, allows some dude named Chandler Parsons to go off for 26 points.
What Warriors fans see in Barnes is beyond me. His ceiling is about 5 inches above his floor.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Pryor’s a tough minded dude, too.
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You have to be pretty tough minded to sell the entire Ohio State University football team, your best friends, the coach that guided you, 100 years of tradition, down the toilet. After you were specifically told NOT TO do that. Yeah, you gotta be pretty tough minded to do that.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
plus LACLIPPERS would basically be 7 Homegames for the Lakers, cuz there will be more Lakers fans then CLippers fans obviously lol
March 8th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
I want San Antonio. They are a guaranteed playoff flop as usual.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Barnes is about one bad week away from having more turnovers than assists on the year.
But hey, he is a future super-star in the making.
Just has to learn how to score more than 6 points on backup SF’s first.
Baby-steps
#getacluehestinks
March 8th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
good thing CHicago Black Hawks streak finally ended, was getting tired of hearing it, now up next is Miami Heat, tired of seeing their story as #1, the game winner Lebron made wasn’t even impressive, KOBE was more impressive against the NO, but was nowhere to be seen on the front page
March 8th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Utah Jazz plays knicks tomorrow, so we should pull even with them for 8th seed after tomorrow
March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
JFB, what time is over there in El Paso…what are you doing still awake?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
ROckets at SUNS , Bucks at Warriors, one of them should lose
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Just bustin yo balls!!!
Go to sleep Big Dogg!!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
And what the hell was Mark Jax doing leaving Lee in at the end of the game when he couldn’t even get down the court?
Down 2 with a minute left, he doesn’t even call TO and decides to play 4 on 5 offensively.
WTF was going on out there?
March 8th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Cut Palmer and sign hillis and Felix jones and run the wild hog?
McFadden is a better passer than Pryor.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
STayed up to watch the W’s lose, then switched over to see Kobe ice it.
Not the best 10 minutes for your buddy.
Buenos noches
March 8th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Good Night Nation…peace out!!
March 8th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
I hope to wake up in the morning to good raiders news.
March 8th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
SAY NO TO GENO!
March 8th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
They stole my line.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9030729
March 8th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
allows some dude named Chandler Parsons to go off for 26 points.
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Chandler Parsons is a STUD!
If you recall, I was ok with trading Gasoft for him.
March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Niners will sign Welker by tuesday.. however Broncos hot on their trails
March 8th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Pryor is already a better leader then Palmer
March 8th, 2013 at 11:58 pm
mcxcusein back from shreks office so soon…you must be getting good at it…
March 9th, 2013 at 12:02 am
Cork’s role is to define exactly what the ramifications would be if we cut, trade, or keep Palmer.
March 9th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Meeks is a good 3 point shooter though.Pryor is already a better leader then Palmer.Niners will sign Welker by tuesday…welcome to visit my site. you can find info about hottest NFL player and their jerseys. http://www.sportsfamilymall.com
March 9th, 2013 at 1:07 am
Madden 13 is pretty gay with all these players tripping over each other, and this Career mode instead of franchise, why can’t they ever get anything right?
March 9th, 2013 at 1:14 am
I returned it within a week and a half of getting it.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:16 am
Imma do the same for 14 if the keep fukin it up, might get intested in NBA2k13, NHL, or MLB show game (which is pretty good i heard)
March 9th, 2013 at 1:18 am
NCAA got it right
March 9th, 2013 at 1:20 am
I mainly play NHL when I play games. MLB is pretty good though. I don’t even really like baseball much and like it.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:21 am
I hope to hear we’ve signed Wheeler,Bryant and shaugnessy soon!!!! Hope we hurry up and restructure DHB, Palmer and cut fat ass kelly!!!
March 9th, 2013 at 1:22 am
I play alot of Madden, but i cant seem to find two good DT’s to stop the run, Reggie Bush kills me when I play him!!!
March 9th, 2013 at 1:23 am
I played both NHL and MLB demo’s, going to get buy both pretty soon, i like Franchise mode, handling different kinda players, Baseball should have enough triple A system kinda things
March 9th, 2013 at 1:25 am
You don’t anticipate what’s coming? hold L2 and press R button down
March 9th, 2013 at 1:26 am
Do what now????
March 9th, 2013 at 1:27 am
What does holding L2 and pushing the R button do???
March 9th, 2013 at 1:28 am
I usually trade away McSlondo and play with Gaither, and Mario Harvey as my MLB….
March 9th, 2013 at 1:28 am
before the snap , hold L2 button and select what type of play you think the O is going to run, for run left scroll R button towards Left and for run to RIGHT scroll towards RIGHT , if you think they are going to run through Middle scroll R button Down and if you think they are going to pass , scroll R button up, but make sure you’re hundred percent sure, because if you commit wrong you could get burned really bad lol
March 9th, 2013 at 1:30 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 1:28 am
I usually trade away McSlondo and play with Gaither, and Mario Harvey as my MLB….
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HAHAHA i just did that, just drafted a MLB out of Oklahoma, who is at 76 rating and traded McSlondo to colts for 3rd
March 9th, 2013 at 1:31 am
oh wow….that’s awesome..lol, i can usually stop them for the fist quarter then it’s a high scoring game. I’d love to have a stingy Defense!!
March 9th, 2013 at 1:31 am
even though Mcslow was at 86 Rating, but i rather develop the rookie and take my lumps then play with him LOL
March 9th, 2013 at 1:31 am
U should pick up mario Harvey as ur back up, He’s a thumper and he’s fast!!!
March 9th, 2013 at 1:32 am
Do you play on Madden 2013 or 12?
March 9th, 2013 at 1:32 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 1:31 am
oh wow….that’s awesome..lol, i can usually stop them for the fist quarter then it’s a high scoring game. I’d love to have a stingy Defense!!
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Yeah man, i love playing great D more than scoring a lot of touchdowns lol
March 9th, 2013 at 1:33 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 1:32 am
Do you play on Madden 2013 or 12?
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13
March 9th, 2013 at 1:34 am
WHo does he(Mario Harvey) play for ?
March 9th, 2013 at 1:35 am
I’ll usually trade for Mike Patterson& Terrance Knighton, thinking that would stop my problem.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:36 am
You on 13 or 12?
March 9th, 2013 at 1:36 am
he plays for the colts, but you can pick him up in FA, I think he’s 71 overall
March 9th, 2013 at 1:37 am
13, I also pick up Chris Rainey and put him on Kickoffs…dude’s a beast!!! Run his ass on screens, he’s money!!!
March 9th, 2013 at 1:39 am
I use Taiwan for screens, after i run all over them with Mcfadden, mix in some deep play action passes, and then right then swap Mcfadden for Taiwan and call a screen away from the Wide Receivers right when they don’t expect it, scored a lot of 50+ yd touchdowns on screens with him
March 9th, 2013 at 1:40 am
I hear ya…who do you have on ur Oline?
March 9th, 2013 at 1:41 am
I love doing that stretch play with Reece leading the way!!! McFadden goes yard on those plays. Give me ur whole team.. position by position.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:41 am
I’m playing Madden after a long time, original control broke a while back, ordered a new one last saturday and it finally arrived today, so been playing career mode with Raiders since the afternoon, went perfect 16-0 and SB in year 2, onto my year 3 now LOL
March 9th, 2013 at 1:44 am
Veldheer (90) rating – Charlie Johnson dude (FA) 85 – Wiz (83) Brisiel (83) Winston Justice (79)
March 9th, 2013 at 1:46 am
Veldheer-Rhinehart(80)-Wisnewski-Briesel-Baker(80)
March 9th, 2013 at 1:47 am
Its hard to find good Defensive ends through draft in 13 game, almost 95% are under 80 rating, much better to draft other guys who could be rated as high as 88-90
March 9th, 2013 at 1:49 am
Do you have NCAA Rosters or you just talking bout what the game puts out?
March 9th, 2013 at 1:49 am
Do you usually run behind Veldheer or the right side?
March 9th, 2013 at 1:49 am
just whatever the game puts out
March 9th, 2013 at 1:50 am
Just depends….I tend to run towards my right, but if teams start cheating then ill switch it and run behind Veldheer.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:52 am
yeah for some reason, success rate running left is kinda low, tried putting the TE on that side as well, still not as much success as running to the right for what ever reason
March 9th, 2013 at 1:54 am
I trade for Delanie Walker and use him as a FB when I go jumbo…I’d love for Madden to let us upload NCAA Rosters as well as being able to switch people’s positons…even add a practice squad..
March 9th, 2013 at 1:54 am
just picked the guy off for 6 the other way lol
March 9th, 2013 at 1:55 am
Hell yea!! Who’s ur corners? I trade for M.Trufant and McKelvin.
March 9th, 2013 at 1:56 am
You could switch positions in 12, I don’t know why they took that away, and you can’t even check out the NFL roster all together , you have to go team by team, don’t know why Madden does change some stuff that doesn’t need to be touched
March 9th, 2013 at 1:59 am
C Houston 84 and M Morales 70 (first rd pick) as my starters, DVD 71 and Bradley fletcher 79 as my nickle and dime cornerbacks, drafted like bunch of cornerbacks who turned out to be lower than 70, drafted MLB 76 and instead of this cornerback who was 88 overall, oh well i had to replace McSlondo anyways lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:00 am
I love building through draft, especially at D line and cornerbacks, and at LT and RT
March 9th, 2013 at 2:02 am
Trufant,McKelvin,Adams,S.Moore, D.Franks
March 9th, 2013 at 2:03 am
I build my team through Trades and Free Agency…..I dont like drafting if it’s not real people lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:04 am
you got good secondary, i need 1 lock down future HOF CB , LOL and couple of pash rushers, hard to find them through draft so i might trade couple of firsts for Julias Peppers of the Madden13 world lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:06 am
I’m okay with trades, don’t really like adding old players to my roster through FA, but if some one who’s younger than 27 and got got rating than i have no problem giving them AL Davis type of contracts lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:08 am
D.J. Moore(Bears), Sam shields,DRC………
March 9th, 2013 at 2:10 am
My DE’s are Carlos Dunlap, L. Houston, Dave Ball, Matt Shaugnessy, Dante Paige-Moss, I bring Kaelin Burnett and Dontay Moch as rushers on 3rd down.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:10 am
You like to stop the pass huh, that’s why you get burned on the ground lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:11 am
god-dammit just got picked off, golden haired hero just got picked off LOL
March 9th, 2013 at 2:12 am
LOL…but my DT’s are what I try and stop the run….Jurrell Casey, Desmond Bryant, Mike Patterson, Terrance Knighton…not bad lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:13 am
I roll with Matt Flynn and Terrelle Pryor as my Qb’s
March 9th, 2013 at 2:13 am
what type of D scheme you use
March 9th, 2013 at 2:14 am
I never use Pryor lol, running qbs aren’t as useful in 12 as they were in 12
March 9th, 2013 at 2:15 am
But i still have him on my roster, as Palmers back up and picked up Donovan McNabb to mentor him LOL
March 9th, 2013 at 2:15 am
usually 4-3, im not to big on 3-4…My LB’s are Phillip Wheeler,Dontay Moch, Kaelin Burnett, Mario Harvey, Omar Gaither, Russell Allen, Miles Burris.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:17 am
yeah i’m not big as fan of 3-4 either, but it’s pretty good to stop outside runs, and if you have fast OLB’s you could use it against 3-4 wide receiver sets and still have help against the run
March 9th, 2013 at 2:19 am
Who you got as safeties? I got Tanard Jackson, Brandon Underwood, Mike Mitchell and Reggie Smith
March 9th, 2013 at 2:20 am
I feel if ur run a 3-4 ur giving up to much inside runs..
March 9th, 2013 at 2:21 am
Huff and Branch, 2nd round pick, Y.Bell
March 9th, 2013 at 2:21 am
just squeeze the DL and Linebackers
March 9th, 2013 at 2:22 am
I got DMC,Reece, Chris Rainey and Andre Brown as my RBs
March 9th, 2013 at 2:22 am
Bring Safeties little closer but towards their corner sides so that way you have outside help
March 9th, 2013 at 2:23 am
DMC, TAIWAN, GOODSON, and REECE
March 9th, 2013 at 2:23 am
Ill have to try that L2 and push the button down thing..lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:23 am
COOLEY, AUSBERRY, MARCELLUS BENNET at TE
March 9th, 2013 at 2:26 am
Damn that’s a nice bunch of TE’s, I got Delanie Walker,Ausberry, and Rob Myers
March 9th, 2013 at 2:26 am
Will Witherspoon, Thomas Howard, Geno Hayes, 2nd round MLB( I drafted him cuz of him name *Outlaw* LOL) R Riley, and Aaron Curry, pretty much all of them are around 80 or over rating
March 9th, 2013 at 2:27 am
Yeah i just wish players progressed better, Ausberry is a matchup nightmare with his speed, just need to get better at alot of areas, it’s hard to progress them in 13, wish there was like an individual training function or something
March 9th, 2013 at 2:28 am
You seem like you got a pretty good team. i prefer to get younger guys.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:31 am
Yeah i have a decent team, i just need to get better DEs and a RT, I got Kelly, Shaun Ellis and Henry Melton as my DTs
March 9th, 2013 at 2:31 am
not bad…but i agree
March 9th, 2013 at 2:32 am
sorry Sedrick Ellis of New Orleans
March 9th, 2013 at 2:34 am
Got Shaugnessy and this Dain Boone guy who i traded my 2nd rd pick for as my DE’s, when i traded for him he was 78 some how he’s at 68 on my team lol, i prefer my pass rushers to be over 85+
March 9th, 2013 at 2:34 am
I tried to get geno atkins, but with all the trading I dont i dont have the fire power to get him, so i stick with the DLine that I have.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:36 am
Geno Atkins is pretty good, he’s DT from cincy right?
March 9th, 2013 at 2:41 am
You play online?
March 9th, 2013 at 2:44 am
Not really…do you?
March 9th, 2013 at 2:47 am
use to play a lot on 12, haven’t played any yet on 13
March 9th, 2013 at 2:48 am
there was too much cheating on 12, so got tired of it n never played online again
March 9th, 2013 at 2:48 am
You got black ops? I play alot on there.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:49 am
Don’t you sleep over there?
March 9th, 2013 at 2:52 am
Had MW3, but i pretty much suckk at shooting games lol but Basketball or Football anytime
March 9th, 2013 at 2:53 am
neilb Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 2:49 am
Don’t you sleep over there?
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Not when it’s offseason and you got Madden and can play as Raiders all day lol
March 9th, 2013 at 2:54 am
got ya…I dont really do Basketball, but who you roll with?
March 9th, 2013 at 2:57 am
Don’t bother with consoles anymore.Haven’t played Madden since ‘93 on the sega mega drive.
Total war on the pc during the offseason.
March 9th, 2013 at 2:59 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 2:54 am
got ya…I dont really do Basketball, but who you roll with?
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I haven’t really played basketball game recently either, but use to play a lot with my high school friend, so wouldn’t take more than 5 mins to get back into the groove, n i play with the Lakers
March 9th, 2013 at 2:59 am
Since 93?? Damn that’s along time, I think i’d die if I didnt have Madden..lol
March 9th, 2013 at 3:00 am
I like Age of Empires on PC, awesome strategic game
March 9th, 2013 at 3:00 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 2:59 am
Since 93?? Damn that’s along time, I think i’d die if I didnt have Madden..lol
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HAHAHA Same here
March 9th, 2013 at 3:04 am
On the PS2 I used to play NFL 2K3 but that was about 10 yrs ago.
March 9th, 2013 at 3:10 am
Later Raiders.
March 9th, 2013 at 3:10 am
I like the crib edition they added to those games, but there could only b one, which is why madden13 don’t give a sh1t, it’s just a roster update every year
March 9th, 2013 at 3:10 am
Liked**
March 9th, 2013 at 3:11 am
Later NeilB, have a good 1
March 9th, 2013 at 4:14 am
We might not know who the QB will be.
We might not know who the corners will be.
We might not know who the linebackers will be.
We might not know who the DE’s and DT’s will be.
One thing we do know and can count on is the inspired leadership and brilliant coaching of Tits Allen.
Super Bowl bound, baby !
March 9th, 2013 at 4:14 am
test
March 9th, 2013 at 4:15 am
Please excuse the test. Was having posting problems.
March 9th, 2013 at 4:23 am
Im very excited to see what Reggie’s gonna do this offseaon, Im excited to see what our later draft picks are gonna be.
March 9th, 2013 at 5:05 am
KC secondary = Brandon Flowers, Dunta Robinson, Eric Berry & Sean Smith?
wow!!
March 9th, 2013 at 5:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 5:05 am
KC secondary = Brandon Flowers, Dunta Robinson, Eric Berry & Sean Smith?
wow!!
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Almost as good as the Raiders secondary.
March 9th, 2013 at 6:13 am
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9030601/the-worst-contracts-nba
Boggles the mind. Part of me wants to see the football version of this, and part of me doesn’t. I have a feeling that more than a few of Al’s deals would show up on it.
Larry Brown, DeAngelo Hall, Tommy Kelly, Stanford Routt to name but a few.
March 9th, 2013 at 6:34 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 4:14 am
We might not know who the QB will be.
We might not know who the corners will be.
We might not know who the linebackers will be.
We might not know who the DE’s and DT’s will be.
One thing we do know and can count on is the inspired leadership and brilliant coaching of Tits Allen.
Super Bowl bound, baby !
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Woot!
March 9th, 2013 at 6:34 am
The only thing that we know for sure Carson Palmer will be our quarterback’s
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All Carson Palmer haters wake up get on this blog and make me laugh
I just woke up and I need a good laugh anybody that would cut a player
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and sit there and pay him $9 million for not doing a thing?
March 9th, 2013 at 6:39 am
not even one rumor?
fml
March 9th, 2013 at 6:43 am
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 2:48 am
You got black ops? I play alot on there.
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Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas…..open world and you are in complete control.
I could play for hours…..but I have young kids.
March 9th, 2013 at 6:48 am
Coach Olson said he met Al Davis walking on the beach in Hawaii when he was a young man in the 80s hell in the 1980s I saw Jesus to three times
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he said al asked him what he liked about the Raiders he said he talked to HEM FOUR 30 min.
he said AL send him a box full of raider gear ; stories on the raider website
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I seen AL at a raider game one time he had a towel around his neck and he was sucking on his teet
March 9th, 2013 at 7:05 am
Joeckel
Fisher
Star
Floyd
Build the lines!
Millinar wouldn’t be bad either….since we have zero reliable talent at CB.
March 9th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Build the skill positions!!!
Palmer + our WR corp = bottom of the barrel
March 9th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Shouldn’t something be happening with the Raiders….. contracts, Palmer, free agents…etc…like NOW?
Some guys say there’s ‘no rush’…but isn’t there…kinda?
March 9th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Build the skill positions!!!
Palmer + our WR corp = bottom of the barrel
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wrong draft…..get over it!
March 9th, 2013 at 7:20 am
wrong draft…..get over it!
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OK………
Draft Milner then!!!!!
March 9th, 2013 at 7:22 am
Here is my draft board:
1-Geno
2-Geno
3-Geno
4-Trade Down
5-Dee Milner
6-Mingo
7-Jordan
8-Werner
March 9th, 2013 at 7:38 am
what I want to no is wear Raiders going play next year their lease is up this year
the deal in LA fell through I guess thar ar three teams that have to do something by next year the Chargers the Rams and the Raiders
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economy started to pick up maybe then get a stadium here in the Bay Area
will probably get in bed with the 49ers and the Raiders have another 4 12 season
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is going to be hard to sell tickets hard to sell out the 49er Stadium in
the Raiders have a lot of problems to solve on and off the field
let’s hope that we only have to play with the 49ers for one year while thay finish our new stadium we need a good season and they all know that over there On Harbor Drive Mark Davis has a lot on his plate he is trying to find somebody to help him I’m sure he’s talking to John Madden.
March 9th, 2013 at 7:45 am
My somewhat realistic dream offseason;
1. Palmer, DHM, Kelly all restructure or take pay cuts and create lost of cap room
2. McClain dumped for a late round pick
3. Raiders re-sign Bryant and Wheeler
4. Raiders sign Phil Loadholt to play RT
5. Raiders sign Michael Turner to split time with McFadden
6. Raiders sign Andy Levitre to play LG
7. Raiders sign Mike Wallace as #1 WR
8. Raiders sign Anthony Fasano TE
9. Raiders sign Greg Toler CB
10. Raiders draft DT Star in Round 1 (heart checks out)
11. Raiders draft LB Khaseem Greene in Round 3
March 9th, 2013 at 7:45 am
The big hurry free agency doesn’t start till Monday that will be the first wave the Raiders will start signing players until the second or third wave the way you guys talk you want to start playing football now hang on Septembers coming in will have the draft in a month
March 9th, 2013 at 7:50 am
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/7/4074234/eric-winston-is-right-man-for-oakland-raiders-right-tackle-job
how did i not realize this?!?! Winston would solve our problems at RT for the foreseeable future.
DO IT BIGMAC!
March 9th, 2013 at 7:50 am
DHB*
March 9th, 2013 at 7:51 am
KC is el retardo to cut Winston. that was probably their only good FA signing last off season
March 9th, 2013 at 7:54 am
Dakota Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 7:45 am
My somewhat realistic dream offseason;
1. Palmer, DHM, Kelly all restructure or take pay cuts and create lost of cap room
2. McClain dumped for a late round pick
3. Raiders re-sign Bryant and Wheeler
4. Raiders sign Phil Loadholt to play RT
5. Raiders sign Michael Turner to split time with McFadden
6. Raiders sign Andy Levitre to play LG
7. Raiders sign Mike Wallace as #1 WR
8. Raiders sign Anthony Fasano TE
9. Raiders sign Greg Toler CB
10. Raiders draft DT Star in Round 1 (heart checks out)
11. Raiders draft LB Khaseem Greene in Round 3
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Winston or Loadholt. Loadholt will certainly cost them more
but this idea is ridiculously awesome Dakota. that will make us instant contenders. i don’t give a rats azz what anyone says, you pair Wallace with Palmer and then give CP a reliable TE like Fasano and it’s fuggin on like donkey kong .. to go along with a solid running game and a beast OL in front of him?
i’d love to throw in there:
Raiders trade back with ARZ and draft Chance Warmack TO PLAY CENTER… and Wiz moves back to LG.
March 9th, 2013 at 7:55 am
can you imagine an OL of big V/Wiz/War/Brisiel(or Carlisle)/Loadholt(or Winston) ?
that’s solid
March 9th, 2013 at 7:57 am
i dont think they go after Star. DT’s are so hard to develop at this level… we need a day 1 impact player. plus yea, his ticker may check out, but how long will it last until it can go bad again? poor guy i wish him the best… what a tough break, but to spend a top 3 pick, no thanks.
March 9th, 2013 at 7:58 am
12. And Peyton Manning loses his right thumb in a mountain climbing incident…..
March 9th, 2013 at 8:13 am
I think we are gonna draft the TxAm center Patrick Lewis and move Wiz back to guard the Lewis kid iz tough four year starter guard 1st year center last 3!!!
Heard Reggie liked the kid and they hung out a lot at the combine!!!
March 9th, 2013 at 8:15 am
1624,
With our luck he’d just have it replaced with a bionic thumb that extends his career another 10 yr’s.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:23 am
DJ Johnny Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:15 am
1624,
With our luck he’d just have it replaced with a bionic thumb that extends his career another 10 yr’s.
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Heck, with no thumb he could still throw a better pass than Pryor.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Dakota Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 7:58 am
12. And Peyton Manning loses his right thumb in a mountain climbing incident…..
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Peyton throwing with his left hand would still get 300 yds against our DB’s.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Tough being a Raider right now?
Trying following Sunderland afc aswell.We’re getting beat by the team at the bottom of the league right now.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Sunderland afc aswell….can you get an ointment for that?
March 9th, 2013 at 8:39 am
LOL!!!!!!
March 9th, 2013 at 8:40 am
Sums them up perfectly.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:43 am
There appears to be a dearth of decent free agent centers. I would love to sign a center and move Wiz back to LG. Usually you could get one in round 3, but with so few out there as free agents, they might be a hot commodity in the draft.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:45 am
i’d love to throw in there:
Raiders trade back with ARZ and draft Chance Warmack TO PLAY CENTER… and Wiz moves back to LG.
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PFF had Wiz rated pretty poorly when he played guard… 4 games out 13 were a negative metric. In contrast, only one game out of 19 at center were negative rated… and that was his first game in 2012 when he was trying to get up to speed off injury.
Plug Warmack between Wiz and Veld… we are set for 8 years!
March 9th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Does mark seem like a patient guy after his post game tirade?
Does Reggie place his future in pryors hands?
Does DA sacrifice any chance he has at keeping his job by starting Pryor?
I’ll eat my hat if we go into 2013 with Pryor as the starter.
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Do you have more knowledge about football than the professionals?
Give the blog some extra insight, or film study you have done.
Do you think for a second that “IF” the org thought PRYOR could not cut it as a QB that they would keep up this charade???
You post on and on about how TP cannot throw, and yet he is still competing for the QB spot.
So in your “Professional opinion” what do you know, that the Professionals do not?
March 9th, 2013 at 8:47 am
I will give some guys credit for sticking to their guns. They don’t like Pryor & back Palmer 100% . They are clear & up front.
There are others here though phony as a 3 dollar bill & faking the funk all together.
Dj jonny & intone word come to mind.
They say things like ” iwant Pryor to succeed”. It is a lie.
What did they say last preseason when I said Palmer would flop?
What did they say when I suggested Pryor start in palmers place?
They were both deaf seet against it!!! They both insisted Pryor should not start as long as we had Palmer.
Only recently when it has become undeniable have they changed tunes. Not because they are not Palmer wirshipers not because they really like Pryor, but in case pryor doesplay well they don’t want to be ripped for saying he couldn’t play like they were when on the wrong side of grad /Palmer vs jc.
Grow a pair &be yourself lose the chameleon act it isn’t fooling any one Palmer fans your hero is toast
March 9th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Offseason scenario
Trade Palmer to AZ for 2nd and 5th and swapping 1st round positions. Draft Star L.
Free Agency sign
Bryant
Wheeler
Pick up
TE Walker S.F
LB Grant S.F
DL Dorsey K.C
CB Smith
RT Winston
March 9th, 2013 at 8:53 am
There you go.Can’t beat the bottom team.
Off to drink some Jack Daniels’.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:47 am
I will give some guys credit for sticking to their guns. They don’t like Pryor & back Palmer 100% . They are clear & up front.
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Bought my Black no.6 as soon as it was available on the market.
Some of these “Pro’s” know better than the org….lol
March 9th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Dakota Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:43 am
There appears to be a dearth of decent free agent centers. I would love to sign a center and move Wiz back to LG. Usually you could get one in round 3, but with so few out there as free agents, they might be a hot commodity in the draft.
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I dunno… Wiz’s worst game of his career was at guard, and it was also his biggest game… week 17 vs SD with the playoffs on the line 2011. -6.7 He was the ONLY offensive player with a negative rating from PFF that game.
I think they have him at center for a reason.
BTW… nearly every defensive player behind the line face-planted that game. Wimbley, Gio, Sheppard, Scott, and Mitchell all got negatives. Amazing we were even in that game.
PS: CP had his best PFF metric as a Raider that game.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Thec Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Does mark seem like a patient guy after his post game tirade?
Does Reggie place his future in pryors hands?
Does DA sacrifice any chance he has at keeping his job by starting Pryor?
I’ll eat my hat if we go into 2013 with Pryor as the starter.
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Do you have more knowledge about football than the professionals?
Give the blog some extra insight, or film study you have done.
Do you think for a second that “IF” the org thought PRYOR could not cut it as a QB that they would keep up this charade???
You post on and on about how TP cannot throw, and yet he is still competing for the QB spot.
So in your “Professional opinion” what do you know, that the Professionals do not?
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It is my opinion base on what my eyeballs tell me. If we could only comment in here if we were considered professionals, then we would all just have to shut up and repeat what people like Rob Ryan, Greg Knapp and Tom Cable claim is true.
You know better than that Thec.
Charade? They have basically told the guy yeah you can compete for the job…..what any coach would tell any young player…..go get better.
You think if they believed he was a QB capable of being a starting QB they would have let him rot on the bench while the team was out of playoff contention after week 5?
He is a cheap option as a backup QB. Nothing more. The pros know it too….that why he has almost no playing time in two years.
March 9th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Mistic is up early pimping the greatness of Pryor.
This will be a long day here… the IQ vacuum is in da house!
March 9th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Thec Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Dakota Says:
March 8th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Does mark seem like a patient guy after his post game tirade?
Does Reggie place his future in pryors hands?
Does DA sacrifice any chance he has at keeping his job by starting Pryor?
I’ll eat my hat if we go into 2013 with Pryor as the starter.
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Do you have more knowledge about football than the professionals?
Give the blog some extra insight, or film study you have done.
Do you think for a second that “IF” the org thought PRYOR could not cut it as a QB that they would keep up this charade???
You post on and on about how TP cannot throw, and yet he is still competing for the QB spot.
So in your “Professional opinion” what do you know, that the Professionals do not?
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Site one credible NFL analyst that thinks Pryor is legit.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Thec Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:47 am
I will give some guys credit for sticking to their guns. They don’t like Pryor & back Palmer 100% . They are clear & up front.
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Bought my Black no.6 as soon as it was available on the market.
Some of these “Pro’s” know better than the org….lol
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So that is why you are holding on to the Pryor pipe dream lol.
Can’t blame you, those are costly.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Charade? They have basically told the guy yeah you can compete for the job…..what any coach would tell any young player…..go get better.
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At least he’s listening. He went out and hired THREE QB coaches, he’s that desperate to learn to throw!
March 9th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Charade? They have basically told the guy yeah you can compete for the job…..what any coach would tell any young player…..go get better.
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At least he’s listening. He went out and hired THREE QB coaches, he’s that desperate to learn to throw!
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Like asking a hockey player to go learn how to skate smh.
It does show good work ethic though….too bad he didn’t hire a WR/TE coach. What a waste of talent.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Site one credible NFL analyst that thinks Pryor is legit.
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I haven’t heard anyone say we should keep Palmer either.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:04 am
except of course Cork but how credible is he?
March 9th, 2013 at 9:04 am
AZ is waiting to pounce on Palmer….palmer will get paid no matter what….if raiders release palmer they still need to add 2 more QB’s…..if they draft geno, geno will get the grooming not pryor….if they dont draft geno here is the list we get to choose from
Quarterbacks
Joe Flacco (Signed six-year, $120.6M deal with BAL)
Matt Moore (Signed two-year, $8M deal with MIA)
Tarvaris Jackson (Signed one-year, $1.75M deal with BUF)
Jason Campbell
David Garrard
Chase Daniel
Drew Stanton
Josh Johnson
Byron Leftwich
Brady Quinn
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
Rex Grossman
David Carr
Derek Anderson
Charlie Batch
Bruce Gradkowski
Kellen Clemens
Tyler Thigpen
Josh McCown
Sage Rosenfels
Seneca Wallace
Donovan McNabb
A.J. Feeley
Troy Smith
Luke McCown
Chris Redman
John Beck
Jordan Palmer
J.P. Losman
Kevin O’Connell
could you imagine going into the season with pryor and anyone from this group……reggie/DA and the whole gang will be fired when raiders go 2-14……they arent going to let that happen…they will try to save their own skin
March 9th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Gdog Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Dakota Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:43 am
There appears to be a dearth of decent free agent centers. I would love to sign a center and move Wiz back to LG. Usually you could get one in round 3, but with so few out there as free agents, they might be a hot commodity in the draft.
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I dunno… Wiz’s worst game of his career was at guard, and it was also his biggest game… week 17 vs SD with the playoffs on the line 2011. -6.7 He was the ONLY offensive player with a negative rating from PFF that game.
I think they have him at center for a reason.
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Maybe I am just letting the zbs stink rub off on Wiz playing center. The priority on the line should be RT anyhow.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:06 am
As a matter of fact every article out there talks about cutting Palmer.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Whoknows Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Site one credible NFL analyst that thinks Pryor is legit.
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I haven’t heard anyone say we should keep Palmer either.
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Most say keep Palmer only if restructured. Money is the issue. There is no debate about skills. Not even close.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Whoknows Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 9:06 am
As a matter of fact every article out there talks about cutting Palmer.
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due to $$$$
March 9th, 2013 at 9:08 am
C2E Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Whoknows Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Site one credible NFL analyst that thinks Pryor is legit.
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I haven’t heard anyone say we should keep Palmer either.
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Most say keep Palmer only if restructured. Money is the issue. There is no debate about skills. Not even close.
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The NFL is a business it’s always about money.
March 9th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Thec Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 9th, 2013 at 8:47 am
I will give some guys credit for sticking to their guns. They don’t like Pryor & back Palmer 100% . They are clear & up front.
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Bought my Black no.6 as soon as it was available on the market.
Some of these “Pro’s” know better than the org….lol
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I don’t know if the blog “pro’s” know better than the org, I just think the org is very limited as to what it can do. Palmer is signed. Pryor is signed. The org knows what both can do. Do you keep one? Both? Neither? Those are the choices the org has to make.