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Allen wants Raiders in it for the long haul

It may not be the message the fan base wants to hear after not having enjoyed a winning season since 2002, but coach Dennis Allen believes in patience and building a foundation for lasting success.

Talking to reporters at the NFL owner’s meetings in Arizona, Allen lauded the business models of teams such as New England, Atlanta and Baltimore.

“We’re really not into microwave economics, where you’re trying to get everything done right now, you’re trying to get out and make a big splash and you say, `Well, we won March,’ ‘’ Allen said. “We want to win November, December and January. That’s what we want this team to do (eventually).

Talking about the importance of building through the draft, Allen said, “If you want to look at the teams that have been able to draft well, they’re teams that, they’re in this year, they’re in next year, they’re in the year after that and the year after.

“That’s what we want to be . . . we don’t want to be a flash in the pan, where you show up for a year, and here we are, a playoff contender, and the next year you don’t hear from us. We want to build a team that’s going to compete year-in and year-out.’’

Regarding Carson Palmer and his $13 million salary, Allen declined to address the quarterback’s contractual issues, stressing that Palmer is currently the Raiders No. 1 quarterback but that every position would include competition.

An Allen Q&A from today’s press session at the owner’s meetings can be seen at this link on Raiders.com.

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  • NGRaiderfan

    barksdale, tonga, cartwright also.

    843.The_Judge37 Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:20 am
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:16 am
    We only lost Routt, CJ, Wimbley and Bush last offseason. So he didn’t really dump “Half” the roster.

    ***

    Judge,

    really?

    you don’t remember guys like Housh, Satele, Schilens, Murphy, Campbell, Heyer & Boller on offense?

    you don’t remember guys like Moss, Scott, Henderson, Boyd, Brown, DVD & Blackstock on defense?
    ——–

    Campbell, Satelle and Henderson were the only contributers, the rest were just depth that Reggie replaced.

    ==========================

    curry and groves both started for us, moss was in the rotation as much as bryant last year, henderson more so, heyer started 2 games for us at RT, played in 12. cartwright and groves were our best ST players. reggie replaced van dyke and chekwa by putting our starting FS at corner, and failing to replace him with a starter level player (giordano? please).

    we lost 4 starters off the bat offseason last year, lost depth at DT which mattered especially when seymour went down. lost depth at cb which really mattered when our two starting sCBs went down early, our starting defense at the end of the season had 3 guys for 2011 (houston, Kelly, Branch) huff doesn’t count because he was playing a completely different position. but naw we were the same as 2011

  • NGRaiderfan

    from* 2011

  • RaiderRockstar

    the rest were just depth that Reggie replaced.

    yes technically he dumped half the team. but none were worth a SH!T and the rest of the league agrees.

    ***

    Judge & Xraided,

    there ya go. You’re welcome

    Reggie dumped half the roster = not the same roster as 2011 so guys like Rude should quit acting like we have the “same team”

  • The_Judge37

    Charlie Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:24 am
    Rememember that many of the guys we are signing now may not even make it out of camp.
    ——

    Well, that makes me feel better.

  • MikieG

    The pick MUST be Star…else Im going to lose my ISHT!—If we trade out, it better be for a real nice ransom!?

  • inonewordraider

    star’s pro day is today…

  • RaiderRockstar

    dont forget the position changes either..

    Huff playing CB instead of FS
    Wiz playing C instead of LG
    Carlisle playing LG instead of RG

  • The_Judge37

    curry and groves both started for us, moss was in the rotation as much as bryant last year, henderson more so, heyer started 2 games for us at RT, played in 12. cartwright and groves were our best ST players. reggie replaced van dyke and chekwa by putting our starting FS at corner, and failing to replace him with a starter level player (giordano? please).

    we lost 4 starters off the bat offseason last year, lost depth at DT which mattered especially when seymour went down. lost depth at cb which really mattered when our two starting sCBs went down early, our starting defense at the end of the season had 3 guys for 2011 (houston, Kelly, Branch) huff doesn’t count because he was playing a completely different position. but naw we were the same as 2011

    ——

    Wouldn’t you say that Wheeler and Burris were an upgrade over Curry and Groves? So no real loss there. Gio play just as much FS last year as he did this year.

    It doesn’t make sense to try and blame losing an extra 4 games on dumping “half” a roster of non starters that were replaced with equal talent.

  • NGRaiderfan

    845.xraided Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:21 am
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:18 am
    oh yeah, I forgot Jason Campbell & Joe Barksdale

    ___________

    how many on that list are actual starters or even backups on other teams?

    yes technically he dumped half the team. but none were worth a SH!T and the rest of the league agrees.

    =========

    it doesn’t matter what they do before or after they are on the raiders, on a team that obviously lacked depth and had a lot of injuries that exposed it’s lack of depth, losing all of those guys was important.

  • The_Judge37

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:29 am
    dont forget the position changes either..

    Huff playing CB instead of FS
    Wiz playing C instead of LG
    Carlisle playing LG instead of RG
    ——-

    But who’s fault was that?

  • MikieG

    inonewordraider Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    star’s pro day is today…
    ++++++++

    Sure is! Cant wait to hear the raves!
    Once we draft him we immediately must change his nickname around here to Star Ukulele….its only fair!

  • The_Judge37

    it doesn’t matter what they do before or after they are on the raiders, on a team that obviously lacked depth and had a lot of injuries that exposed it’s lack of depth, losing all of those guys was important.
    ——-

    All that depth was replaced, it’s not like we went into last season with a roster of 35

  • Gdog

    Looks like Reggies main focus on offense was to retain our worst linemen. Cooper is up next I guess.

    Upgrading in the o-line with our highest pick seems a pipe dream…

  • NGRaiderfan

    858.The_Judge37 Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    curry and groves both started for us, moss was in the rotation as much as bryant last year, henderson more so, heyer started 2 games for us at RT, played in 12. cartwright and groves were our best ST players. reggie replaced van dyke and chekwa by putting our starting FS at corner, and failing to replace him with a starter level player (giordano? please).

    we lost 4 starters off the bat offseason last year, lost depth at DT which mattered especially when seymour went down. lost depth at cb which really mattered when our two starting sCBs went down early, our starting defense at the end of the season had 3 guys for 2011 (houston, Kelly, Branch) huff doesn’t count because he was playing a completely different position. but naw we were the same as 2011

    ——

    Wouldn’t you say that Wheeler and Burris were an upgrade over Curry and Groves? So no real loss there. Gio play just as much FS last year as he did this year.

    It doesn’t make sense to try and blame losing an extra 4 games on dumping “half” a roster of non starters that were replaced with equal talent.

    =======================

    well curry and groves played the same position, and no burris is not an upgrade over what curry did for us last year when he got here, he made a lot of plays. and even groves played just as good as burris for us, plus he was a vital ST player for us. Wheeler was an upgrade over wimbley in terms of straight OLB play, but we never replace what wimbley brought to our pass rush.

    giordano only played in our nickel and dime packages in 2011, or when huff went down. he wasn’t a full time starter like he was most of this season.

  • MikieG

    He could have just signed Winston as our biggest Free Agent…and drafted Star..

    Why he hasn’t signed Winston makes no sense to me, but whatever..

  • Scourge

    I’m out. Have a good afternoon, Nation!

    Raider On!

  • NGRaiderfan

    865.MikieG Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:35 am
    He could have just signed Winston as our biggest Free Agent…and drafted Star..

    Why he hasn’t signed Winston makes no sense to me, but whatever..

    ===============

    winston wants 7 mil per year… McK is waiting for the market to go down.

  • The_Judge37

    The only talent from 2011 that was not replaced adequatly was Wimbley, Satelle and Bush. And Kam just his PR ability.

  • xraided

    it doesn’t matter what they do before or after they are on the raiders, on a team that obviously lacked depth and had a lot of injuries that exposed it’s lack of depth, losing all of those guys was important.
    _______

    IMPORTANT for the growth of team maybe yes. we weren’t winning with them… so might as well blow it up. kudos to reggie

  • xraided

    RR,

    yes i see now. i wasn’t in the loop for the whole argument, i’ll keep my trap shut lol

  • NGRaiderfan

    868.The_Judge37 Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:40 am
    The only talent from 2011 that was not replaced adequatly was Wimbley, Satelle and Bush. And Kam just his PR ability.

    =============

    We replaced Routt and Chris johnson adequately? u serious? they played well for us, not great, but they were solid. we didn’t reaplce them well…

    also as mentioned earlier, the loss of satele was actually similar to the loss of 3 OL because we had to move two guys to different spots on the line (Wiz to C, Carlisle to RG).

    and wimbley’s pass rush was the biggest thig, our lack of pass rush was our biggest problem all season long on defense. if you can’t pressure qbs in the nfl you have no shot, add to our lack of pass rush the problems we had in the secondar, u get what u saw in 2012.

    Bush was a big loss in short yardage and red zone, and when mcfadden went down. goodson did ok, but he got hurt a lot too.

  • xraided

    winston wants 7 mil per year… McK is waiting for the market to go down.

    ____

    good lordie. no wonder why teams are just now starting to talk to the man

    i’ll pay Vollmer that much though if i were Reg

  • NGRaiderfan

    869.xraided Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:44 am
    it doesn’t matter what they do before or after they are on the raiders, on a team that obviously lacked depth and had a lot of injuries that exposed it’s lack of depth, losing all of those guys was important.
    _______

    IMPORTANT for the growth of team maybe yes. we weren’t winning with them… so might as well blow it up. kudos to reggie

    =================

    it will probablywork out, losing all of those guys, in the long run. but we were talking striclty 2011 to 2012. losing all those players did not help us for the 2012 season.

  • xraided

    yes Wimbley was our only suitable pass rusher that year(s). which is SAD! he isn’t all that good to begin with. that’s why Jordan should be the pick.. we need good rushers this year…

  • xraided

    gotcha NGR … yes i guess if it wasn’t a money thing then yes they were all cut prematurely

  • NGRaiderfan

    872.xraided Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:45 am
    winston wants 7 mil per year… McK is waiting for the market to go down.

    ____

    good lordie. no wonder why teams are just now starting to talk to the man

    i’ll pay Vollmer that much though if i were Reg

    =================

    his price will go down, if it hasn’t already, this was at the same time when jake long was wanting over 10 mil. i think long got like 8.5 mil. that sets the tone for guys like volmer, andre smith, with winston probably coming cheaper than the other two.

  • The_Judge37

    Routt was replaced by Huff, who was equally burned deep and for TD’s. CJ was great for us for one year, but he couldn’t stay on the field much last year. Lito, DVD and CHeckwa were his replacement.

    Wimbley’s pass rush was important, but he was a polar opposite as an actual Linebacker. Wheeler wasn’t the rusher Kam was, but he was a natural LB. They offset eachother IMO.

    The shuffling of the Line was by choice of the new regime, so they don’t get to blame that debacle on the loss of one player they chose to let go and replace with Brisel.

  • NGRaiderfan

    871.NGRaiderfan Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:44 am
    868.The_Judge37 Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:40 am
    The only talent from 2011 that was not replaced adequatly was Wimbley, Satelle and Bush. And Kam just his PR ability.

    =============

    We replaced Routt and Chris johnson adequately? u serious? they played well for us, not great, but they were solid. we didn’t reaplce them well…

    also as mentioned earlier, the loss of satele was actually similar to the loss of 3 OL because we had to move two guys to different spots on the line (Wiz to C, Carlisle to RG).

    and wimbley’s pass rush was the biggest thig, our lack of pass rush was our biggest problem all season long on defense. if you can’t pressure qbs in the nfl you have no shot, add to our lack of pass rush the problems we had in the secondar, u get what u saw in 2012.

    Bush was a big loss in short yardage and red zone, and when mcfadden went down. goodson did ok, but he got hurt a lot too.

    ===================

    also the loss of cartwright and groves for ous ST units was huge. dd u see how bad we were this year?

  • NGRaiderfan

    877.The_Judge37 Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:49 am
    Routt was replaced by Huff, who was equally burned deep and for TD’s. CJ was great for us for one year, but he couldn’t stay on the field much last year. Lito, DVD and CHeckwa were his replacement.

    Wimbley’s pass rush was important, but he was a polar opposite as an actual Linebacker. Wheeler wasn’t the rusher Kam was, but he was a natural LB. They offset eachother IMO.

    The shuffling of the Line was by choice of the new regime, so they don’t get to blame that debacle on the loss of one player they chose to let go and replace with Brisel.

    =========================

    Lito, DVD, and Chekwa were his replacement? except none of them were on the team in 2012. save for chekwa in what, week 16?

    Our biggest problem was our pass rush though. wheeler was better against the run, they were equally terrible against the pass, and when you dont have a pass ruher it makes wheelerrs terrible play in coverage stick out more, as it does everyone else, from giordan, branhch, mitchell, any corner we player, they all got exposed because we had zero pass rush.

    So you’re saying if Satele was here wiz would have went to C? and we would have put Satele on the bench?

  • xraided

    “his price will go down, if it hasn’t already, this was at the same time when jake long was wanting over 10 mil. i think long got like 8.5 mil. that sets the tone for guys like volmer, andre smith, with winston probably coming cheaper than the other two.”

    we need one of them. that needs to be Reggie’s one splash. you’re supposed to splash on OT’s that’ll anchor their side for 6+ years

  • The_Judge37

    also the loss of cartwright and groves for ous ST units was huge. dd u see how bad we were this year?
    ——

    Again, that doesn’t really equate 4-12 to 8-8

  • NGRaiderfan

    880.xraided Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:52 am
    “his price will go down, if it hasn’t already, this was at the same time when jake long was wanting over 10 mil. i think long got like 8.5 mil. that sets the tone for guys like volmer, andre smith, with winston probably coming cheaper than the other two.”

    we need one of them. that needs to be Reggie’s one splash. you’re supposed to splash on OT’s that’ll anchor their side for 6+ years

    ==============

    it would be nice

  • NGRaiderfan

    unless they plan on picking up a barrett joones or something in the 2nd round. he can play RT. was a first team all american at LT in college before moving him to center. he can play all over the line and will probably be an instant starter from day 1 wherever they put him.

  • The_Judge37

    So you’re saying if Satele was here wiz would have went to C? and we would have put Satele on the bench?
    ——

    No, i’m saying they made a choice to let Satele walk, move Wiz to C, and sign Brisel as his replacement. So the shuffleing of the line was the choice of Reggie and Co.

    Point we began arguing, which in think is getting lost, is that because of the roster turnover is why we went from 8-8 to 4-12.

    My point is There wasn’t really much SIGNIFICANT roster turnover to justify that, and most of that turnover was the CHOICE of the new regime.

  • NGRaiderfan

    881.The_Judge37 Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:53 am
    also the loss of cartwright and groves for ous ST units was huge. dd u see how bad we were this year?
    ——

    Again, that doesn’t really equate 4-12 to 8-8

    ==================

    yea, that alone doesn’t, but all the sum of all the players we lost and injuries we had to compund those losses does.

  • xraided

    NGRaiderfan Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    unless they plan on picking up a barrett joones or something in the 2nd round. he can play RT. was a first team all american at LT in college before moving him to center. he can play all over the line and will probably be an instant starter from day 1 wherever they put him

    _________

    we need the 2nd rounder first then yes i’m game. anything but Bergs or KaWhiff

  • The_Judge37

    yea, that alone doesn’t, but all the sum of all the players we lost and injuries we had to compund those losses does
    ——

    We lost the same amount of player to injuries in 2011 and still went 8-8, also lost even more players in FA in 2010 (Nnamdi)

  • NGRaiderfan

    884.The_Judge37 Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 9:57 am
    So you’re saying if Satele was here wiz would have went to C? and we would have put Satele on the bench?
    ——

    No, i’m saying they made a choice to let Satele walk, move Wiz to C, and sign Brisel as his replacement. So the shuffleing of the line was the choice of Reggie and Co.

    Point we began arguing, which in think is getting lost, is that because of the roster turnover is why we went from 8-8 to 4-12.

    My point is There wasn’t really much SIGNIFICANT roster turnover to justify that, and most of that turnover was the CHOICE of the new regime.

    =====================

    my point is you’re wrong about the roster turnover. i never blamed anyone in particular it doesn’t matter who to blame is, the fact is that the 2012 team lost a lot of players that played a role from 2011. guys from 2011 that at least played a role on the team that weren’t here in 2012

    wimbley
    CJ
    routt
    satele
    Campbell
    Bush
    heyer
    curry
    groves
    henderson
    moss
    cartwright
    shilens

    guys who could have played a significant role in 2012

    van dyke
    chekwa (most of season on PS)
    barksdale
    campbell
    boyd

    thats almost 18 guys who either had contributed in 2011, or could have contributed to our team in 2012.
    all the guys on the top of the list started at least on game in 2011 except cartwright.

    so we lost at least 12 guys who started at least 1 game for us in 2011, and only 22 players start each game. so to say that we didn’t lose a lot of players that could have at least contributed for us this year is wrong in my opinion. doesn’t matter how or y they arent on our team. my point is that they weren’t and it affected us.

  • The_Judge37

    My point is all those guys were replaced. So there’s NO EXCUSE for going from 8-8 to 4-12, when there was similar coaching, regime and roster change the year before from 2010 to 2011 and still went 8-8.

    NO Excuse

  • Charlie

    Judge

    No excuse????
    Injuries????
    Are you at all familiar with our cap issues and lack of picks??

    The players we have lost the last two seasons are not very good.
    Certainly not worth the money we paid them.
    We have been 9-51 against playoff teams for the last ten years under seven different coaching staffs.

    The $32 million (could go to $39 with McClain)in dead money points to how much we overpaid for average to poor talent.

    We did not go 4-12 last year because of Gregg Knapp.
    We lack talent.

    The Raiders will build through the draft. FA are OK once in a while to fill a hole while waiting for a younger player to develop or to wait for the next draft.

  • dvrck

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 20th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Yah maybe we can compete in 10 years!!!!