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Breaking down Palmer’s situation

The Raiders are at a crossroads when it comes to their massive overhaul under general manager Reggie McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen: stay the course with aging quarterback Carson Palmer or cut ties and go with a younger, cheaper player.
On Thursday, a Yahoo Sports story said the Raiders asked Palmer to take a pay cut from $13 million to $10 million in base salary for 2013 and that Palmer refused to do so.
The story also intimated that Palmer, 33, is forcing the Raiders hand by balking at a pay cut so that he can play for another team in 2013, one presumably with a better chance at winning the Super Bowl, after being released or traded.
Two people familiar with the situation said the Raiders did not ask Palmer to accept a $10 million salary for 2013 and that the speculation about Palmer’s future is being fueled from outside the organization.
Sure, the Raiders aren’t thrilled about paying Palmer a salary commensurate with the likes of Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. At the same time, they realize that their best chances of winning next season lay with Palmer at the helm and not Terrelle Pryor or someone they might select in the NFL draft a month from now.
Palmer might not be as productive as he was in his prime with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he still is capable of playing at a level better than most quarterbacks as evidenced by his passing for 4,018 yards in 15 games last season.
For those writing off Palmer, they are overlooking the fact that releasing or trading him would cost the Raiders $9.34 million in dead money on the 2013 salary cap. Therefore, paying someone like Matt Flynn the $5.25 million he is slated to earn in 2013 is about a financial wash for the Raiders either route.
That doesn’t even take into account the cost of acquiring Flynn from the Seattle Seahawks via trade. A CBSSports.com report earlier this week said the Raiders are one of three teams interested in trading for Flynn.
McKenzie is quite fond of draft picks, and he already is without a second-rounder – part of the cost of the Raiders trading for Palmer midway through the 2011 season – and a fifth-rounder this year.
He certainly isn’t going to trade the No. 3 pick for Flynn, and it’s unlikely that he would be keen on giving up a third-rounder this year, either.
One potential option is, swapping picks in the third round with the Seahawks this year and throwing in a mid- to late-round selection in next year’s draft.
Other options include turning over the reins to Pryor, who has made one start in his two-year NFL career, in hopes of finding the next Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III or Russell Wilson, or using the No. 3 pick on someone such as Geno Smith and starting from scratch.
The one certainty is that the Raiders have time on their side. They boast $7.6 million in cap room as of now, Palmer’s contract isn’t going to change and there isn’t an urgency to make any rash decisions just yet.

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  • Charlie

    Thank you SnB

    A bit more sanity on this blog is welcome relief.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    If they can schlepp off Palmer pre-draft, then if Geno is drafted, expect the same for TP during draft weekend.

    Someone needs a WR out there.

    —————-

    y not us.. keep Pryor as athletic/ SLASHER

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    Follow the B@uceman Says:
    As I said…got 100 bucks you wont say it to my face….offer still stands
    ====================================================

    Sure I would, Mr.Sensitive. But there’s no point engaging you here. I’ve seen your internet battles and ‘meet me at the corner’ things flare up and wither away in here before.
    I believe you got so worked up once, you got yourself banned. Excitable, aren’t you?
    **********************

    No the offer always stands…just ask MR

    But as a smart man….you wont…..good choice….carry on lil fella

  • dr_robert

    looks like reggie’s getting HIS GUY, like i said.

    but notice they still are trying to keep palmer.

    reggie is earning more trust from me with every move.

    he ain’t no Erk@l.

  • Follow the B@uceman

    In like Flynn

  • Just Fire Baby

    This should be a great day to be blogging!!!

    Finally some newsworthy ish to talk about.

    Hopefully if we do give up a pick, it is a 2014 pick, contingent on playing time, etc.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    SBreport ‏@SBreport 1h

    Rough 13 months for Stanford Routt: 5 year/$54.5M deal w/OAK, 3 year/$19.6M deal w/KC, 1 year/$825k deal w/HOU, currently a free agent.

    —————-

    AL would have ROUTT playing with US till he was 35

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Dr_robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    looks like reggie’s getting HIS GUY, like i said.

    but notice they still are trying to keep palmer.

    reggie is earning more trust from me with every move.

    he ain’t no Erk@l.
    *******************************

    Yea he is…Urkel was smart….Palmer is gone lol

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    He11, they might swap Pryor and some consideration for Flynn, cut Palmer, draft a later round project and pick upa lesser free agent.

  • beechraider

    Charlie Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    Willy

    The operative word is TALENT.

    We had very little of that on this football team in 2012.
    Blame Knapp all you want but many many injuries and pretenders like Carlisle, Barnes, DHB were just as responsible for our offensive let down.

    At least we are getting rid of the overpaid pretenders.

    Overhaul that is long overdue.
    ————–
    charlie i admire you passion for pointing out al davis’s long term failures but how can you ignore greg knapp history of failure.

  • Follow the B@uceman

    No more Palmer….we have reason to be excited!

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Now we hope JAX takes GENO SMITH

    DION JORDAN ANYONE?? ANSHAH ANYONE???

    When the Raiders worked ANSAH out hard yesterday.. I knew he could be a RAIDER in one month

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    He11, they might swap Pryor and some consideration for Flynn, cut Palmer, draft a later round project and pick upa lesser free agent.
    ****************************

    As long as palmer is gone

  • Thec

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/2013/03/29/quarterback-matt-flynn-traded-to-oakland/

    Hallelujah!

    ++++++++++=

    ROFLMAO…..

  • Charlie

    Beech

    I believe the saying goes something like; insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
    Have you been paying attention the last ten years?

    Yes thankfully we are doing something different.
    Yes it will work and yes it will take time.

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Ansah is not the answer…..pass

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    GENO SMITH really looks like a MATT FLYNN ARM IMO

  • Thec

    Now we need to move palmer to the azcards

  • dr_robert

    i’ll come see ya at a game this year Erk@l.

  • Thec

    Looks like it is for a future pick….ROFLMAO

  • rediaR

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    Ansah is not the answer…..pass
    ——————
    Well if you say “answer” in a Boston accent…

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Leave it to Reggie to pursue this guy, Matt Flynn was the backup to JaMarcus Russell at LSU.

  • beechraider

    guys this is a total rebuild from computers in the office to players on the field. you got be patient. worst case scenario is reggie tears it down creates cap space and another gm comes in to rebuild. i like it

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    Dr_robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    looks like reggie’s getting HIS GUY, like i said.

    but notice they still are trying to keep palmer.

    reggie is earning more trust from me with every move.

    he ain’t no Erk@l.
    *******************************

    Yea he is…Urkel was smart….Palmer is gone lol
    *********

    my bad. if anyone knows about Erkel, it’s Erk@l.

  • dr_robert

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    He11, they might swap Pryor and some consideration for Flynn, cut Palmer, draft a later round project and pick upa lesser free agent.
    **********

    i could imagine them swapping pryor for flynn, trading palmer, and getting colt mccoy as well as a late round draftee.

  • MikieG

    Flynn is going to be CHOMPING at the bit to prove himself. I really like it. Dude is going to be a workaholic and has been groomed well.

    I wish you luck Carson but the Contract did not match the production–not that it was all his fault of course.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Matt Flynn in the preseason last year, threw a beautiful deep bomb to TO that fell right in his bread basket from 50 yards out.

    TO dropped it.

    Who knows how the rest of the preseason and depth chart play out if that was a TD.

  • SnBG

    Man o man! I’ve heard that RM had to spend money on overhauling the Raiders computer system. Just how bad had our team and org become. Time to come into the 21st centry.

  • hwnrdr

    1522.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    Leave it to Reggie to pursue this guy, Matt Flynn was the backup to JaMarcus Russell at LSU.

    Yes but didn’t Flynn have a better year than Russell and led the team to the Championship? I really can’t remember anymore!

  • beechraider

    Charlie Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    Beech

    I believe the saying goes something like; insanity is defined as continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
    Have you been paying attention the last ten years?

    Yes thankfully we are doing something different.
    Yes it will work and yes it will take time.
    ————–
    amen Charlie, no one is gonna call you insane for having the same excuses for the next 5 years. your on to something. stick to your guns, youve got the only position that can last for years .

  • MikieG

    SnBG Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Man o man! I’ve heard that RM had to spend money on overhauling the Raiders computer system. Just how bad had our team and org become. Time to come into the 21st centry.
    +++++++++++

    You trying to tell me Reggie filled up everyone’s offices at Raider HQ with brand new, freshly refurbished ACER’s straight from tigerdirect…?

    Wait..your prolly right.

  • hwnrdr

    Nothing is official yet on the Flynn thing but I see Dallas and Tony Romo just reached a 6 yr agreement that will make him the highest paid player in franchise history!

  • MikieG

    If Flynn is a poor mans Rogers I will take that…were the poorest team in the League behind only the Jags I think…

    It might not be a BMW–but its a Honda, and she don’t leave me stranded on the side of the road..and thats all that matters..

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    If Raiders didnt give up anything big for FLYNN ..then Im with it.

    Low risk.. High Reward … and He could be a lesser version then Aaron Rodgers.. I’d take it.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    1522.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    Leave it to Reggie to pursue this guy, Matt Flynn was the backup to JaMarcus Russell at LSU.

    Yes but didn’t Flynn have a better year than Russell and led the team to the Championship? I really can’t remember anymore!
    ___________________________________

    LSU won it all as Flynn was the starter…you are correct

  • beechraider

    Reggie got a plan, tear it down, build through the draft , and buy computers so raider employees can go on blogs and promote their boss

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    beechraider Says:
    you used the word sweat instead of swear..in my days of questioning criminals , this slip would be a dead giveaway of guilt. its all good
    ======================================================

    Don’t know about texting, but the ‘t’ and ‘r’ are next to each other on a keyboard. a little different than a verbal slip.

  • beechraider

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
    beechraider Says:
    you used the word sweat instead of swear..in my days of questioning criminals , this slip would be a dead giveaway of guilt. its all good
    ======================================================

    Don’t know about texting, but the ‘t’ and ‘r’ are next to each other on a keyboard. a little different than a verbal slip.
    ————
    understood chris, thanks

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    MikieG Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    If Flynn is a poor mans Rogers I will take that…were the poorest team in the League behind only the Jags I think…

    It might not be a BMW–but its a Honda, and she don’t leave me stranded on the side of the road..and thats all that matters..

    ————–

    haha yesir.. its a mid sedan.. great on gas 42 mpg type car.. im with it!!

  • Charlie

    Beech

    Knapp was not our first choice.
    Certainly was not mine.

    “Still, the simple truth is that Knapp was not the Raiders’ first choice. He was hired after the Raiders interviewed a couple other candidates, and even that was long after pretty much every other team in the league had their coaching staff already set.

    Injuries and a thin roster are a toxic combination which in conjunction with scheme issues led to a decline in offesnive production.

    As Olson said, he does not think all the offensive problems last year were due to Greg Knapp.

    That being said, what makes you so sure that the OC job in Oakland back in March 2012 was so glamorous???????

    No draft picks, $30 million over the cap, old or injury prone players on offense and a new HC and GM for a franchise that was 45-99 over the last nine years.
    Knapp was interested in the job because he was from the Bay area and it was a promotion for him.

    What many “candidates” say to themelves is the following:

    Let’s see I can relocate to Oakland; step into the worst cap situation in the history of the NFL with no help from the draft and run the risk of getting fired after one season if a “workhorse” like Dmac gets hurt.

    No thanks, I will stay here at Fordham, Colgate, Oregon, FSU, Alabama etc etc and wait for something a bit more attractive.

    Again problems like we faced in 2012 just do not quickly dissapear with a quick snap of the fingers and some magic pixie dust.

    A decade of mismanagement does not get fixed in one season.

  • SnBG

    Beech and Charlie. Hear, hear, I like what you 2 are saying. Your on the right track.

  • beechraider

    reggie wont do the trade because dr robert will go crazy and bcz24 the self appointed capologist hasnt approved the deal bc his internet browser crashed from an overload when he downloaded the app”how to convince other bloggers that you are an expert on being a gm when in reality you have no clue”

  • beechraider

    Charlie Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    Beech

    Knapp was not our first choice.
    Certainly was not mine.

    “Still, the simple truth is that Knapp was not the Raiders’ first choice. He was hired after the Raiders interviewed a couple other candidates, and even that was long after pretty much every other team in the league had their coaching staff already set.

    Injuries and a thin roster are a toxic combination which in conjunction with scheme issues led to a decline in offesnive production.

    As Olson said, he does not think all the offensive problems last year were due to Greg Knapp.

    That being said, what makes you so sure that the OC job in Oakland back in March 2012 was so glamorous???????

    No draft picks, $30 million over the cap, old or injury prone players on offense and a new HC and GM for a franchise that was 45-99 over the last nine years.
    Knapp was interested in the job because he was from the Bay area and it was a promotion for him.

    What many “candidates” say to themelves is the following:

    Let’s see I can relocate to Oakland; step into the worst cap situation in the history of the NFL with no help from the draft and run the risk of getting fired after one season if a “workhorse” like Dmac gets hurt.

    No thanks, I will stay here at Fordham, Colgate, Oregon, FSU, Alabama etc etc and wait for something a bit more attractive.

    Again problems like we faced in 2012 just do not quickly dissapear with a quick snap of the fingers and some magic pixie dust.

    A decade of mismanagement does not get fixed in one season.
    —————
    Charlie, im thrilled reggie is tearing things down. i also believe that he showed promise by getting rid of knapp. but how many NFL OC jobs are there in the world. We could have done better than knapp and we should have. but he is gone and his subtraction will prove beneficial. the rebuild is in full form, a year late but exciting none the less. i am 100% on board with getting rid of every player and bringing in new blood. the draft is the beginning of a new era

  • spiff

    the good thing about this trade.we keep our first round pick. continue to focus on the defense. fill in the missing pieces on the d. ( cb’s ,safety’s, and more d-line via draft and free agency). we are getting a young qb who plays tough. plus we will see who wants the job, flynn or pryor.
    i believe if we fortify the defense, continue to bring in ‘football players’, oakland is gonna surprise people. i predict major improvemnt going into 2013.

  • spiff

    mark wilson x jay scheoder + jeff george = carson palmer.

  • Violent Hands

    Flynn will save over $9 million in cap space in 2014 alone for the Raiders, but some of the biggest value here would be for McKenzie to take advantage of the opportunity to rid Oakland of the last two years of Palmer’s contract. Even if Flynn performs well and earns an extension, it would almost certainly have a smaller cap hit than the over $17 million per year Palmer would get in those years.