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Breaking down Palmer’s situation

The Raiders are at a crossroads when it comes to their massive overhaul under general manager Reggie McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen: stay the course with aging quarterback Carson Palmer or cut ties and go with a younger, cheaper player.
On Thursday, a Yahoo Sports story said the Raiders asked Palmer to take a pay cut from $13 million to $10 million in base salary for 2013 and that Palmer refused to do so.
The story also intimated that Palmer, 33, is forcing the Raiders hand by balking at a pay cut so that he can play for another team in 2013, one presumably with a better chance at winning the Super Bowl, after being released or traded.
Two people familiar with the situation said the Raiders did not ask Palmer to accept a $10 million salary for 2013 and that the speculation about Palmer’s future is being fueled from outside the organization.
Sure, the Raiders aren’t thrilled about paying Palmer a salary commensurate with the likes of Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. At the same time, they realize that their best chances of winning next season lay with Palmer at the helm and not Terrelle Pryor or someone they might select in the NFL draft a month from now.
Palmer might not be as productive as he was in his prime with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he still is capable of playing at a level better than most quarterbacks as evidenced by his passing for 4,018 yards in 15 games last season.
For those writing off Palmer, they are overlooking the fact that releasing or trading him would cost the Raiders $9.34 million in dead money on the 2013 salary cap. Therefore, paying someone like Matt Flynn the $5.25 million he is slated to earn in 2013 is about a financial wash for the Raiders either route.
That doesn’t even take into account the cost of acquiring Flynn from the Seattle Seahawks via trade. A CBSSports.com report earlier this week said the Raiders are one of three teams interested in trading for Flynn.
McKenzie is quite fond of draft picks, and he already is without a second-rounder – part of the cost of the Raiders trading for Palmer midway through the 2011 season – and a fifth-rounder this year.
He certainly isn’t going to trade the No. 3 pick for Flynn, and it’s unlikely that he would be keen on giving up a third-rounder this year, either.
One potential option is, swapping picks in the third round with the Seahawks this year and throwing in a mid- to late-round selection in next year’s draft.
Other options include turning over the reins to Pryor, who has made one start in his two-year NFL career, in hopes of finding the next Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III or Russell Wilson, or using the No. 3 pick on someone such as Geno Smith and starting from scratch.
The one certainty is that the Raiders have time on their side. They boast $7.6 million in cap room as of now, Palmer’s contract isn’t going to change and there isn’t an urgency to make any rash decisions just yet.

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  • dr_robert

    Regardless of opinions on Palmer, Pryor, et al., I’ve been saying for quite a while that it’s just very likely that Reggie will want his own guy at qb. This is a team in complete overhaul. There are only 19 players left from 2011 and that includes several that probably won’t make this years squad. Every nfl team starts with the qb. No time like the present for Reggie to hand pick his guy in order to define the identity of the new era Raiders.

    I like geno. I think he will be a top notch qb in the nfl. He passes all my criteria with flying colors. Mistic and I agree on him.

    Flynn is indeed a possibility though, if Reggie isn’t sold on geno, given he may think of Flynn as his guy, since he was involved in selecting him for the packers.

    It really seems to be one of those to me if my hunch is correct.

    The idea of picking a late round guy and having him compete with Pryor just doesn’t seem right to me.

    It all comes down to: REGGIE WANTS HIS OWN GUY.

    And yes, I’m soon leaving. But I wanted to get a few more thoughts in.

  • raiderlization

    Brady was a sixth round pick! We don’t need to please players we need to build a team! Sorry Hue believed in you Palmer, but can’t take you back for the 2nd round pick to Cincy! LOL! But it is time to cut ties we don’t like what’s available but there will be a chance “if you build a core and a foundation” to get a compitent QB to lead in the future. When you wake up ” if you are lucky” it’s not guaranteed it’s gonna be sunny and clear skys. Some days it has to Rain. Right now it’s raining on the Raiders but it’s also time to get rid of that out of date Rain Gear and buy some new gear too bad we need so many sets!Too bad Palmer doesn’t want everyone to have what they need also! There are far more ingredients needed If DMAC has a interested party? I’m just saying?

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Waddup Nation

    Rack ‘em

  • NGRaiderfan

    Except most of the players with “rings” arent on that defense anymore. Only one member of the starting secondary remaining (jimmy williams) and 3 of the starting lbs gone (lewis, kruger, ellerbe).

    Huff is average, at best.

  • Chris in NY

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    @Chris in NY

    Bryant is a good player…Raiders couldn’t afford to pay him that dough…but if Vance Walker play equals that of Bryant will you be happy?

    ————————

    Walker is not as good as Bryant. At least not in my opinion or the opinion of NFL GMs. That’s the reason Bryant got a multi-year deal worth more than $30 mil and Walker is here on a 1-year deal worth what $1-2 mil. If he does turn out to be that good then Reggie whiffed and should’ve signed him to more than a 1-year deal. This is what happened with Wheeler.

    Raiders could’ve paid for Bryant but chose not to. I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap. That aside, even by just taking a $1 mil cap hit on Bryant this season and spreading the rest of this year’s hit over the life of the life of the deal when we have a zillion dollars in cap space we could’ve kept him.

    Reggie is either cheap, believes that Bryant isn’t that good, or just wants to fill the roster with his own guys and can’t wait to sh!tcan anyone who was here before him.

  • DutchRaider77

    @NGRaiderfan

    Isn’t Flynn $5.2M? 2013 and $6.2M? 2014

    Because the signing bonus becomes due when he is traded, like if Palmer is traded?

    If the rumor is true, all we would need is switch spots with the Seachickens in the 3rd round and a late 2014 draft pick, you wouldn’t do it?

    Trade Palmer to AZ for a 5th?

    Flynn and Pryor compete? Everyone on the board satisfied?

    Both Flynn and Pryor bomb in 2013, draft a QB in 2014?

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/matt-flynn/

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Raiders could’ve paid for Bryant but chose not to. I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap. That aside, even by just taking a $1 mil cap hit on Bryant this season and spreading the rest of this year’s hit over the life of the life of the deal when we have a zillion dollars in cap space we could’ve kept him.

    Reggie is either cheap, believes that Bryant isn’t that good, or just wants to fill the roster with his own guys and can’t wait to sh!tcan anyone who was here before him.
    ————————-
    How much GM exp do you have?

  • dr_robert

    Reality time. In terms of passing ability right now, it’s:

    1) Palmer
    2) Geno
    3) Flynn
    4) Pryor

    But I would happily take Geno, cuz he would be the franchise qb fir a decade and he could end up being better than Palmer in the long run.

    Flynn is probably ok. Hard to know exactly. Could be pretty good actually. And definitely not bad.

    Pryor. Well. He needs…..work.

  • NGRaiderfan

    Gdog Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:18 am
    U want flynn iver pryor bc pryor scares u? Think about this

    If we miss with pryor is costs us less than a mil n we draft a qb next yr.

    If we miss on flynn it costs us 7 mil plus whatever hes owed in the future, plus more draft picks. All on a guy who is a career backup, had two good games against two of the worst defenses in the league when he played, whole having one of, if not the best wr group
    In the league?

    A guy who signed a big fa contract only to get beat out in camp by a 3rd: round rookie?

    >>>>

    He’s the best available QB bud.

    You can’t go into a gun fight with a squirt gun… ya got to have SOMETHING… regardless of costs.

    =========

    just like kolb was te best available, right? Flynn is just as much of an unknown as pryor. Well, actualy we know flynn can b a good back up…
    Flynn doesnt even have a great arm. Pryor has a stroger arm. And probably trows as good if not better deep ball.

    “Has good accuracy in the short area, but does not have the arm strength to consistently air the ball out … Sometimes telegraphs throws, as he tends to pat it before throwing … Shows good mobility on the move, but is more of a straight-line runner who does not have the change-of-direction agility to quickly hit the cutback lane … Can make some of his deep throws, but those attempts lack velocity and zip to keep it away from the defenders … Needs to develop more consistency coming over the top with his delivery, as he tends to wind up a bit … His release point is low, resulting in a fair share of passes being deflected … When he steps into throws, he is adequate firing in the seams, but lacks velocity … Needs to work on putting the ball out in front of the target on deep routes … Has good bulk, but lacks the ideal height you look for in a quarterback … Has good mobility and is not the type that gets “happy feet,” but will more often than not run with the ball rather than sidestep when meeting up with the blitz … Had a string of at least one turnover seven consecutive games … Most of those picks came when he generated a bit of a wind-up in his over-the-top release.”

  • DutchRaider77

    1357.KoolKell Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am
    ————————-
    How much GM exp do you have?
    ______________________________________________________

    Seriously!

    Why are you such a @$$-Hole?

    This is a fan site, where we get to talk about football…

    You wonder why everyone is always attacking you…

  • Chris in NY

    KoolKell Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Raiders could’ve paid for Bryant but chose not to. I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap. That aside, even by just taking a $1 mil cap hit on Bryant this season and spreading the rest of this year’s hit over the life of the life of the deal when we have a zillion dollars in cap space we could’ve kept him.

    Reggie is either cheap, believes that Bryant isn’t that good, or just wants to fill the roster with his own guys and can’t wait to sh!tcan anyone who was here before him.
    ————————-
    How much GM exp do you have?

    ————————–

    Mad because your post-Al Davis savior drove this team into a ditch and will need to go 12-4 this season just to get the team’s record to back on par with where it was during Al’s final two seasons?

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap.
    ———————
    You don’t know fk! Ok?

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    “How much GM exp do you have?”

    How much brains do you have…we all know the answer to that

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    “You don’t know fk! Ok?”

    A fish and or a bird have more brain power than you.

    You are hardly a person to cast dispersion’s on the disparity of other bloggers.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap.
    ———————–
    Really dumbass?

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    I guess everyone has seen the movie Rudy too many times and think that Teblow and Pryor can make a QB in this league because they want to.

    Just because your FAST or a good RB does not mean you will be a good QB, why half tards and dim wits don’t get this I will never know.

  • dr_robert

    C’mon now guys. Kell is our Fred Sanford. He’s crotchety, especially when on the Thunderbird. But harmless.

    I’ve now come to think of mistic as our George Jefferson.

    Me? I like to think of myself as the white Kid Dyn-o-mite!

  • A fly in the pie

    Chris in NY is one of the more logical posters KK. More thought and reason goes into his posts than the usual anti Davis propaganda generated by some in here. It is time for everyone to join together and get along.

  • NGRaiderfan

    I think TP is at least as good as campbell. N if our run game grts back to form (it will actially be better with pryor being a threat). Pryor will be able to get us back on track. Let him get repa and actual attention from the coaches and good coaching and he will put in the work and he will be te competitor we have lacked at the qb position since gannon. Shoot a lot of the guys we’ve had in the past can throw, none were competitors. Pryor is. Lets see what hes got

  • DutchRaider77

    So what is Tebow’s Future?

    Backup QB who keeps bouncing from team to team?

    Switch positions?

    CFL QB?

  • Gdog

    Chris in NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    @Chris in NY

    Bryant is a good player…Raiders couldn’t afford to pay him that dough…but if Vance Walker play equals that of Bryant will you be happy?

    ————————

    Walker is not as good as Bryant. At least not in my opinion or the opinion of NFL GMs. That’s the reason Bryant got a multi-year deal worth more than $30 mil and Walker is here on a 1-year deal worth what $1-2 mil. If he does turn out to be that good then Reggie whiffed and should’ve signed him to more than a 1-year deal. This is what happened with Wheeler.

    Raiders could’ve paid for Bryant but chose not to. I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap. That aside, even by just taking a $1 mil cap hit on Bryant this season and spreading the rest of this year’s hit over the life of the life of the deal when we have a zillion dollars in cap space we could’ve kept him.

    Reggie is either cheap, believes that Bryant isn’t that good, or just wants to fill the roster with his own guys and can’t wait to sh!tcan anyone who was here before him.

    >>>>

    You nailed it. Bryant would have set us back, what, 3 mill in cap money? 15 mill guaranteed over 5 years, right?

    People here are ALWAYS complaining we need to get after the QB better…. Bryant had four sacks in the last 4 games.

    Good gawd what a BLUNDER! Plus he’s a guy we developed ourselves…

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    Just beware blog geeks and half tards…..Come September 8th when Palmer is under center I will become the biggest shlt talker in this place!

  • rediaR

    “Seymour and TK were veteran players with an average salary north of $10 mil apiece. Guys like that don’t get benched.”
    —————–
    On poorly run teams that set the depth chart by salary instead of skill.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap.
    ———————–
    Thoughtful? He doesn’t know a gawdamned thing about these players contracts.

  • bcz24

    McClain lost his starting job because of that game, Bryant WON his starting job because of that game! He only played 20 snaps vs TB!

    Cmon man… FACTS!!
    ***************
    Not for nothing, but he ‘won’ his starting job because Sey was out.

  • Dr_ robert

    Who cares if Kell has jungle fever. Once he went white he never went back.

  • Gdog

    KoolKell Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    I explained going into free agency how we could’ve easily gotten to about $30 mil under the cap.
    ———————–
    Really dumbass?

    >>>>

    It’s not really rocket science. It would just mean making commitments (restructures) to players that Reggie should be keeping anyway. Ya know.. like how every other team in the NFL operates?

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    “So what is Tebow’s Future?

    Backup QB who keeps bouncing from team to team?

    Switch positions?

    CFL QB?”

    Or join the Raiders and let its myopic fan base here on this blog crown you the next Joe Montana…..oh wait he is the wrong color…..now if that washed up, couldn’t make 3rd stringer for the Bills, mental head case, VY comes here the rabid, retarded fan base here on this blog would be in love with that move!

  • NGRaiderfan

    What does rudy have to do with pryor? Rudy was an undersized, unathletic, guy who wanted to just make the team. Pryor is a top recruit
    In the nation, one of the enst athletes in the nfl, has one if the strongest arms in the nfl, was a winner his entire life, and he’s hungry.

    The inly similarity between rudy and pryor is the hunger to be great. Outside of that, nothing

  • JB

    Per Yahoo Sports, the #Packers identified Matt Flynn as a QB whose “lack of arm strength will eventually be exposed”: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4949/matt-flynn

    ***************************

    And this guy is going to be our salvation? I think not! Just what we need, another limp armed QB. Work it out with Palmer and let’s continue replacing all the missing pieces. Play TP6 when & if it makes sense or doesn’t count any longer.

  • DutchRaider77

    @bcz24

    What is your take on the future Raider QB situation?

    See anything in the bones, being our Silver and Black oracle and all, deceipher of the “magic” contracts….

  • willy91137

    silver and black 666
    me to

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    I would be willing to bet a months pay that if we took a Blog poll the posters here would favor Vince Young over Carson Palmer 2 to 1.

    And I bet they would even be willing to give up a draft pick for him…i have to stop typing I am laughing hard..

  • Gdog

    bcz24 Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    McClain lost his starting job because of that game, Bryant WON his starting job because of that game! He only played 20 snaps vs TB!

    Cmon man… FACTS!!
    ***************
    Not for nothing, but he ‘won’ his starting job because Sey was out.

    >>>>

    Uhhh… Seymour had a HORRIFIC game vs TB. Thats why he was out right after that game!

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    Willy91137

    I know you have been right there with me on the Palmer thing….also I have jersey’s invested in that bast@rd.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J Hill Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 10:16 am
    He overpaid for Hunter, Francis, and Barron

    —————————————————————-

    They are making league minimum, O.
    $$$$$$$$$$

    That’s too much!!

  • Gdog

    JB Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Per Yahoo Sports, the #Packers identified Matt Flynn as a QB whose “lack of arm strength will eventually be exposed”: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4949/matt-flynn

    ***************************

    And this guy is going to be our salvation? I think not! Just what we need, another limp armed QB. Work it out with Palmer and let’s continue replacing all the missing pieces. Play TP6 when & if it makes sense or doesn’t count any longer.

    >>>>

    I bet they said the same thing about Gannon before we picked him up.

    I am with you on CP though… But Reggie just doesn’t want him.

    Maybe he reads this blog??

  • Chris in NY

    I suspect that’s the fake Kell anyway. Real Kell has some off the wall ideas but isn’t typically a flat-out prick like that. I think we were had.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    1960AutumnWind Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 10:48 am
    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 10:41 am
    I have a question. For a guy like Barron do they have to gauntee the league minimum or does that only come into effect the first game of the season. Mabye Bcz or JFB would know?

    +++++++++++++

    He doesn’t get a dime unless he’s on the opening day roster.

    ************************
    Raider O

    care to comment on the Barron signing?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I still don’t like it.

  • NGRaiderfan

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:26 am
    @NGRaiderfan

    Isn’t Flynn $5.2M? 2013 and $6.2M? 2014

    Because the signing bonus becomes due when he is traded, like if Palmer is traded?

    If the rumor is true, all we would need is switch spots with the Seachickens in the 3rd round and a late 2014 draft pick, you wouldn’t do it?

    Trade Palmer to AZ for a 5th?

    Flynn and Pryor compete? Everyone on the board satisfied?

    Both Flynn and Pryor bomb in 2013, draft a QB in 2014?

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/matt-flynn/

    ===========

    so if u bring in flynn and pryor beats hom out. Now ur soending 5+ mil on a backup qb, 6 mil the nex season, and so on…

    And if flynn gets beat out AGAIN his trade value will plummet and no one will b willing to trade for him so we will b stuck with him or cut him and take another cap hit.

    The most likely scenario, flynn comes here, he gets the #1 qb treatment from reggie adm DA bc hes their guy and pryor, once again, doesnt even get a fair shot. Then flynn flames out, now we are left, once again, needing a qb and not havin aby clue what we have in pryor. Great.

  • rediaR

    “If we miss on flynn it costs us 7 mil plus whatever hes owed in the future, plus more draft picks. All on a guy who is a career backup, had two good games against two of the worst defenses in the league when he played, whole having one of, if not the best wr group
    In the league?

    A guy who signed a big fa contract only to get beat out in camp by a 3rd: round rookie?”
    —————–
    Backup to a top 3 QB and a rookie who should have been a first rounder but dropped because teams docked him for his height. And then that rookie had a great year and lead a playoff run. Flynn had one good game (Packer’s O-line was/is terrible and he had to avoid hard pressure the entire game) and one record setting game. All of the years of great QBs in GB and Matt Flynn has the single game records. There are bad defenses every year.

    Pryor isn’t going into camp with just a terrible FA and/or a non-first round rookie.

  • Charlie

    Chris

    Guys like you are the first to act surprised when we get hammered by good teams.

    You have had ten years to witness some of the worst football the NFL has to offer and you still can’t identify a bad to average football player.

    Nnamdi washout in Philly
    Louis Murhpy????
    Sapp retires after Oakland total loudmouth waste
    Warren retires after Oakland Total waste
    Sands ??????
    Schilens????????
    Gallery?????
    Thomas Howard???????
    Grove?????
    Harris???????
    Routt??????
    Moss????????
    Jordan?????????
    Walker???????
    Wilson??????
    Brown??????
    Hall??????
    Buchanon?????
    Washington??????

    The list goes on and on.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Yahoo Sports’ Jason Cole reports the Chiefs’ ideal draft scenario would still involve trading the No. 1 overall pick.
    “I certainly hope so,” said a Chiefs source, referring to the availability of the Raiders’ pick at No. 3. Ideally, Cole reports, Kansas City would trade down with Oakland. The Raiders would draft Geno Smith first overall, and the Chiefs would take Luke Joeckel or Eric Fisher at No. 3, while also netting a second-rounder for Branden Albert. If the Raiders truly love Smith, they may feel compelled to leapfrog the quarterback-needy Jaguars to secure Geno.

    ********************************

    Purvis, paying attention?

  • DutchRaider77

    Maybe he reads this blog??

    __________________________________________________

    “Mark, it’s Reggie, I think we should should not only move the franchise, but change the name of the team. Been reading the Raider fans’ blog, geez, these people are crazy F-Tards…”

  • dr_robert

    Beware my impostor. Big R. I am little r.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    KoolKell Says:

    Really dumbass?

    You don’t know fk! Ok?
    ______________________________________________________
    DutchRaider77 Says:

    Seriously!

    Why are you such a @$$-Hole?

    This is a fan site, where we get to talk about football…

    You wonder why everyone is always attacking you…
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  • Charlie

    We are out plane fare and a few hot meals with Barron.

    Barron is camp fodder. A ruse to make it seem like we are not going to draft an Olineman with our first pick.

  • NGRaiderfan

    Carson pmer needs to go bite some more lemons so he can work on his “i just bit a lemon” face that he has after throwing a 4 yd pass in 3rd and 5 and having to jog to the sideline. Wherever he plays next yr, he will need it

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    Purvis, paying attention?
    =======================================================

    Even I wouldn’t ‘leak’ something that ludicrous.

  • willy91137

    silver and black 66

    I bought a Russell jersey for my daughter

    I asked her the other day as she never wore

    she said hell no

    anybody out there want to buy a J Russell jersey