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Breaking down Palmer’s situation

The Raiders are at a crossroads when it comes to their massive overhaul under general manager Reggie McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen: stay the course with aging quarterback Carson Palmer or cut ties and go with a younger, cheaper player.
On Thursday, a Yahoo Sports story said the Raiders asked Palmer to take a pay cut from $13 million to $10 million in base salary for 2013 and that Palmer refused to do so.
The story also intimated that Palmer, 33, is forcing the Raiders hand by balking at a pay cut so that he can play for another team in 2013, one presumably with a better chance at winning the Super Bowl, after being released or traded.
Two people familiar with the situation said the Raiders did not ask Palmer to accept a $10 million salary for 2013 and that the speculation about Palmer’s future is being fueled from outside the organization.
Sure, the Raiders aren’t thrilled about paying Palmer a salary commensurate with the likes of Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. At the same time, they realize that their best chances of winning next season lay with Palmer at the helm and not Terrelle Pryor or someone they might select in the NFL draft a month from now.
Palmer might not be as productive as he was in his prime with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he still is capable of playing at a level better than most quarterbacks as evidenced by his passing for 4,018 yards in 15 games last season.
For those writing off Palmer, they are overlooking the fact that releasing or trading him would cost the Raiders $9.34 million in dead money on the 2013 salary cap. Therefore, paying someone like Matt Flynn the $5.25 million he is slated to earn in 2013 is about a financial wash for the Raiders either route.
That doesn’t even take into account the cost of acquiring Flynn from the Seattle Seahawks via trade. A CBSSports.com report earlier this week said the Raiders are one of three teams interested in trading for Flynn.
McKenzie is quite fond of draft picks, and he already is without a second-rounder – part of the cost of the Raiders trading for Palmer midway through the 2011 season – and a fifth-rounder this year.
He certainly isn’t going to trade the No. 3 pick for Flynn, and it’s unlikely that he would be keen on giving up a third-rounder this year, either.
One potential option is, swapping picks in the third round with the Seahawks this year and throwing in a mid- to late-round selection in next year’s draft.
Other options include turning over the reins to Pryor, who has made one start in his two-year NFL career, in hopes of finding the next Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III or Russell Wilson, or using the No. 3 pick on someone such as Geno Smith and starting from scratch.
The one certainty is that the Raiders have time on their side. They boast $7.6 million in cap room as of now, Palmer’s contract isn’t going to change and there isn’t an urgency to make any rash decisions just yet.

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  • rediaR

    Hmmm, capital R is here.

  • hwnrdr

    LOL, Bills do need a QB after releasing Fitzpatrick AFTER signing him to long term!

  • beechraider

    A Fly In The Pie Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:39 am
    Chris in NY is one of the more logical posters KK. More thought and reason goes into his posts than the usual anti Davis propaganda generated by some in here. It is time for everyone to join together and get along.
    ———————
    so obvious chris this is a post by you.

  • dr_robert

    yeah willy. almost done.

    if we get flynn, i think it might involve a player. reggie “loves his picks”.

    bergstrom (drafted for zbs)
    moore (reggie likes big receivers)
    dmc (last year of contract)
    mcdunce (complete tool)

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    B…If its for a swap of 3rds, then i don’t see no harm, but…we’ll see!
    **************************

    As long as palmer is gone

  • Charlie

    Dutch

    Howard had 64 tackles 35 assists and one sack for the Bengals in 2011. Average.
    Played one game last year due to injury.

    I would not say that is very productive.

    I agree that at least his 2011 stats were better than another savior like Wimbley who many on this blog thought we should have kept.

    Howard and Wimbley. Two more examples of former Raiders that hardly flourished after leaving us.

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Dr_robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    Barron is a tackle. Not a bad flyer. Similar to Barnes really.
    ************************

    Yeah both players suck

  • hwnrdr

    1455.Follow the B@uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    Hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    B…If its for a swap of 3rds, then i don’t see no harm, but…we’ll see!
    **************************

    As long as palmer is gone

    I think that would be the imminent release of Palmer, but who knows! It could be Palmer, Flynn, Pryor

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Dr_ Robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    Mouseman why dont you jump off the bay. It would be a great favor to this blog.
    *************************

    Naw we will leave that up to u….more ppl on blog enoy my posts than yours…would u like to take a survey over the next week?

  • Chris in NY

    beechraider Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    A Fly In The Pie Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:39 am
    Chris in NY is one of the more logical posters KK. More thought and reason goes into his posts than the usual anti Davis propaganda generated by some in here. It is time for everyone to join together and get along.
    ———————
    so obvious chris this is a post by you.

    ————————-

    I could see how you’d think that but I sweat to you it’s honestly not. (“Ain’t nobody got time for that!”)

    Just someone else with a good head on their shoulders.

  • Follow the B@uceman

    enjoy*

  • MikieG

    Flynn a raider

    @JasonLaCanfora: Sounds like Matt Flynn heading to Oakland via trade, and Carson Palmer will be on his way out (possibly to AZ). trying to nail down details

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Naw just typical “black” kid stuff
    **********

    oh Erk@l. ur tempting me. u left it wide open. if the blog had a sense of humor, i could throw out some jokes about….well, u know.

    but i’m a kinder, gentler doctor today.

    so, i guess i’ll assume ur gonna read a comic book, jerk off, smoke some weed, and think about how much u hate rich kids.

    oh man. i bet u really hate Richie Rich (the comic book, not the rapper).

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    1455.Follow the B@uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    Hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    B…If its for a swap of 3rds, then i don’t see no harm, but…we’ll see!
    **************************

    As long as palmer is gone

    I think that would be the imminent release of Palmer, but who knows! It could be Palmer, Flynn, Pryor
    *****************

    Quitters gotta go

  • Just Fire Baby

    Just don’t see a scenario to where they bring in Flynn to start.

    Seems like a move for a backup with a little promise, so thus swapping picks in the 3rd or 4th round should be all the compensation we are willing to offer.

  • rediaR

    Dr_robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    yeah willy. almost done.

    if we get flynn, i think it might involve a player. reggie “loves his picks”.

    bergstrom (drafted for zbs)
    moore (reggie likes big receivers)
    dmc (last year of contract)
    mcdunce (complete tool)
    ——————-
    Bergs and DMC I can see from a SEA standpoint. McDunce I don’t think has enough real value anymore. I don’t know where moore would fit in their WR group. As like a rotational 5th guy coming in as a deep threat? They’ve got a solid 4 or 5 guys already.

  • http://www.glock.com Glock

    Pryor is a project. Like so many other unrefined players in the league.
    sad seeing posters stating how they know how great he is, or how great he will be, when he’s a unproven project.
    Let him play, then make your guarantees.
    Lots of egg on lots of faces is guaranteed soon enough.
    Either some admitting he can actually play, or others admitting they couldn’t be more wrong on the guy.

    Then there will be those who don’t have the balls or backbone to admit they are wrong and instead will blame Reg, or the organization.

    You know who you are

  • MikieG

    Im guessing that this will be Arizona gives Seattle a Fourth Rounder, Seattle Gives us Flynn and we Give Arizona Palmer….

    Deal DONE!

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Dr_robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Naw just typical “black” kid stuff
    **********

    oh Erk@l. ur tempting me. u left it wide open. if the blog had a sense of humor, i could throw out some jokes about….well, u know.

    but i’m a kinder, gentler doctor today.

    so, i guess i’ll assume ur gonna read a comic book, jerk off, smoke some weed, and think about how much u hate rich kids.

    oh man. i bet u really hate Richie Rich (the comic book, not the rapper).
    *********************

    Please RobertaMR….have at it…your failure at everything is well noted…how’s Sac treatin ya?

  • Follow the B@uceman

    flynn thing is official?

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    Dr_ Robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    Mouseman why dont you jump off the bay. It would be a great favor to this blog.
    *************************

    Naw we will leave that up to u….more ppl on blog enoy my posts than yours…would u like to take a survey over the next week?
    ***********

    ur not really using ur great intellect. notice the capital R? it’s my impostor. and ur falling for it. of course, i kinda suspect u have fallen for a lot tricks over the years. i bet u still think u can win at three card monty/the shell game. gets u every time.

  • DutchRaider77

    1452.hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    LOL, Bills do need a QB after releasing Fitzpatrick AFTER signing him to long term!

    _______________________________________________________

    I do wonder though if a team would pause in trading with the Jags or Chiefs in that they would have to give up an additional 2nd or/and 3rd or/and 4th pick to get them. Price goes up…according to the draft value chart.

  • willy91137

    you trade the third overall pick for the 25th overall pick and a fourth-round draft pick next year are you freaking nuts for a back up quarterback freaking insane

  • hwnrdr

    1464.Follow the B@uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    1455.Follow the B@uceman Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    Hwnrdr Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    B…If its for a swap of 3rds, then i don’t see no harm, but…we’ll see!
    **************************

    As long as palmer is gone

    I think that would be the imminent release of Palmer, but who knows! It could be Palmer, Flynn, Pryor
    *****************

    Quitters gotta go

    B, see post 1462, and 1464…

  • Just Fire Baby

    Im guessing that this will be Arizona gives Seattle a Fourth Rounder, Seattle Gives us Flynn and we Give Arizona Palmer….

    **************************

    We just swap Palmer for Flynn?

    We got to get a pick out of the deal!!! AT least a 5th rounder or something.

  • RaiderRich510

    Let the Flynn vs Pryor BS arguing begin!!!!!!!!!

  • beechraider

    Charlie, some say your Reggies brother , others say his b*tch, but keep the faith. if it takes 5 years or 10 years to rebuild youve got an argument that will last a lifetime. no one can prove you wrong, stay strong , keep fighting and no matter how many moves reggie does or doesnt make al davis has given you the gift of excuses for life.god bless you.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Look like FLYNN to Raiders was the correct call i made when Reggie was hired LOL

    just a year later LMAO

  • Dr_ robert

    March 29th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Flynn a raider

    @JasonLaCanfora: Sounds like Matt Flynn heading to Oakland via trade, and Carson Palmer will be on his way out (possibly to AZ). trying to nail down details
    *****
    What a travesty, our Golden Haired Hero gone. How can we get rid of the #19 ranked all time passer in NFL history?
    Dr. Thompson
    Fire Reggie Now!!!

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    DO NOT GIVE UP DRAFT PICKS FOR FLYNN

    swap 6th rounders if anything

  • itzSteve

    Willy91137 Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    you trade the third overall pick for the 25th overall pick and a fourth-round draft pick next year are you freaking nuts for a back up quarterback freaking insane

    —————————

    No, I think the deal is the Raiders and Seahawks swapping spots in the 3rd round this year, and we give up a 4th round pick next year.

  • DutchRaider77

    Would expect the Flynn trade to OAK to be completed in short order. The trade market remains robust- Revis and Blount among those available

    https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora

  • rediaR

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Just don’t see a scenario to where they bring in Flynn to start.

    Seems like a move for a backup with a little promise, so thus swapping picks in the 3rd or 4th round should be all the compensation we are willing to offer.
    ——————
    I think it’s to compete for the job. There’s no way they hand the job to Pryor. You can’t trust Vince Young to come in and be the only real competition with Pryor and a rookie. You can’t expect a 3rd round rookie to be the starter. Wilson wasn’t a normal 3rd round rookie. He was a first round talent with 5th round height. Ended up averaging out. Geno and Flynn are the only real options. If Reggie thinks highly of Flynn and that Geno might not be the guy then this is an easy decision for him.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Damn Posey got paid!!!

    Giants handled him flawlessly.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Follow the B@uceman Says:
    As I said…got 100 bucks you wont say it to my face….offer still stands
    ====================================================

    Sure I would, Mr.Sensitive. But there’s no point engaging you here. I’ve seen your internet battles and ‘meet me at the corner’ things flare up and wither away in here before.
    I believe you got so worked up once, you got yourself banned. Excitable, aren’t you?

  • MikieG

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Im guessing that this will be Arizona gives Seattle a Fourth Rounder, Seattle Gives us Flynn and we Give Arizona Palmer….

    **************************

    We just swap Palmer for Flynn?

    We got to get a pick out of the deal!!! AT least a 5th rounder or something.
    ++++++++

    In this scenario that is equivalent to getting a 4th round pick that we then trade for Flynn–

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 7m

    #Seahawks are deep in talks with #Raiders for a trade involving QB Matt Flynn, per sources. Raiders making a final run at Carson Palmer 1st
    Retweeted by Vic Tafur

    ———————–

    No way PALMER Takes a pay cut now.. dayum.. Reggies QB is coming to OAK .. John Clayton reported he scouted and brought up FLYNN to the packers

  • dr_robert

    RediaR Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Dr_robert Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    yeah willy. almost done.

    if we get flynn, i think it might involve a player. reggie “loves his picks”.

    bergstrom (drafted for zbs)
    moore (reggie likes big receivers)
    dmc (last year of contract)
    mcdunce (complete tool)
    ——————-
    Bergs and DMC I can see from a SEA standpoint. McDunce I don’t think has enough real value anymore. I don’t know where moore would fit in their WR group. As like a rotational 5th guy coming in as a deep threat? They’ve got a solid 4 or 5 guys already.
    ***********

    those guys, along with palmer and pryor, are guys i could imagine being dealt at some point.

    i agree that bergstrom and dmc would be most suited for seattle, although pryor would fit as a natural backup for wilson, i suppose.

  • Thec

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Just don’t see a scenario to where they bring in Flynn to start.

    Seems like a move for a backup with a little promise, so thus swapping picks in the 3rd or 4th round should be all the compensation we are willing to offer.

    ++++++++++++=

    hopefully its the 4th rd pick and not the 3rd pick.

    Oak 3rd pick (66)
    Sea 3rd pick (87)

  • Dr_ robert

    Another thing Willy boy do you know how I can get a better wifi signal from this shed. All the grass clippings are jamming up my laptop’s keyboard.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    SBreport ‏@SBreport 7m

    Raiders making a final push at Carson Palmer before finalizing deal involving Matt Flynn per @RapSheet.

  • MikieG

    Im just guessing here too…I have no idea–but it makes the most sense…Reggie isn’t giving up a draft pick for Flynn..but you know he likes him.

  • beechraider

    Chris In NY Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    beechraider Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    A Fly In The Pie Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 11:39 am
    Chris in NY is one of the more logical posters KK. More thought and reason goes into his posts than the usual anti Davis propaganda generated by some in here. It is time for everyone to join together and get along.
    ———————
    so obvious chris this is a post by you.

    ————————-

    I could see how you’d think that but I sweat to you it’s honestly not. (”Ain’t nobody got time for that!”)

    Just someone else with a good head on their shoulders.
    —————–
    you used the word sweat instead of swear..in my days of questioning criminals , this slip would be a dead giveaway of guilt. its all good

  • SnBG

    Have we all forgotten what this team had become under Al Davis???
    RM is doing the right thing by getting rid of the players he has. Wheeler isn’t good enough to justify the new salary he’s getting. Huff was OK but not that good and don’t get me started on DHB. Who but AD would have given a bad receiver that kind of money. Outrageous! Also what about all these other guys that were here and became washouts.
    And don’t forget the lack of discipline this team has had. Last year I saw a lot of improvement in that area.The players are now being held accountable for their mistakes. Was that the case under Al Davis.No!Davis was always undermining his head coaches. At least RM is standing by his HC. That’s a new concept for the Raiders. I can’t even remember the names of all the HC’s we’ve had here since the silver and black came back to Oakland. Oh, and I can’t forget what happened to Marcus Allen. Does anyone remember that story. It was one of the most professorial acts in Raider history
    So in case anyone has forgotten, here are just some of the washouts and wasted picks.
    Gaalery
    Louis Murhpy
    Sands
    Schilens
    Thomas Howard
    Grove
    Russel
    Harris
    Routt
    Moss
    Jordan
    Walker
    Wilson
    Brown
    Hall
    Buchanon
    Washington
    It’s about time someone like RM is here trying to make a pro team out of the Raider. God knows no one else has. All Mr Davis was concerned with was having control no matter what. It didn’t matter whether the team won or lost. Thank god Davis doesn’t run the team anymore.

  • rediaR

    MikieG Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Im guessing that this will be Arizona gives Seattle a Fourth Rounder, Seattle Gives us Flynn and we Give Arizona Palmer….

    Deal DONE!
    ——————–
    That would be great for all parties. No way the Cards and Raiders could have set that up.

  • Just Fire Baby

    If they can schlepp off Palmer pre-draft, then if Geno is drafted, expect the same for TP during draft weekend.

    Someone needs a WR out there.

  • MikieG

    Dude, there is no way on planet earth Reggie gives up the 3rd pick in the 2013 draft for Flynn…come on fellas..put down the twisties…

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  • Charlie

    Willy

    The operative word is TALENT.

    We had very little of that on this football team in 2012.
    Blame Knapp all you want but many many injuries and pretenders like Carlisle, Barnes, DHB were just as responsible for our offensive let down.

    At least we are getting rid of the overpaid pretenders.

    Overhaul that is long overdue.

  • hwnrdr

    1484.Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 29th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    Damn Posey got paid!!!

    Giants handled him flawlessly.

    After Veerlander got paid…looks like a big day in contract talks and trade talks across the sports world!