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Coach Allen hopeful of Flynn following footsteps of Rodgers, Schaub

The Raiders makeover kicked into overdrive Monday when they traded for inexperienced quarterback Matt Flynn and worked further on jettisoning veteran quarterback Carson Palmer.
General manager Reggie McKenzie has been in cost-cutting mode since he was hired by owner Mark Davis last year.
Getting out from under “out-of-whack contracts” and finding a long-term solution at quarterback were huge priorities from the outset. In Flynn, the Raiders are hopeful they found their man at a fraction of the price Palmer would have cost.
“Matt’s one of those guys, even though he hasn’t had a lot of opportunities, when he’s had those opportunities, he’s made the most out of those chances,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said in a conference call. “We feel real good about that, and feel real good about getting a young prospect at quarterback.”
Therein lies the rub. Palmer started 121 regular-season games during his 10-year NFL career. Flynn and Terrelle Pryor combined for three starts during their NFL careers. Yet, one of them is going to be the starter a little more than five months from today.
Palmer still is a part of the Raiders roster. However, he no longer is a part of their plans, Allen said. Several reports said Palmer is bound for the Arizona Cardinals in exchange for a late-round draft pick.
“When we looked at it, both from his standpoint and our standpoint, we just realized that it was time for us to move on and move forward,” Allen said of Palmer.
Flynn was unavailable for comment. He is slated to speak with Bay Area media Tuesday.
Flynn, 27, started only two games in his five NFL seasons. He spent his first four seasons backing up Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. Last season, he appeared in only three games for the Seahawks after being beaten out by rookie Russell Wilson.
Allen said he is hopeful that Flynn will flourish if given the opportunity, in much the same way Rodgers did taking over for Brett Favre and Matt Schaub did after being traded to the Houston Texans.
Neither Allen nor McKenzie anointed Flynn the clear-cut starter. That’s in keeping with their stance that they want competition at every position.
Yet, it seems likely that McKenzie and Allen are counting upon Flynn to be their starting quarterback for 2013 and beyond.
“Matt is a tough football player, and a talented quarterback,” McKenzie said in a press release. “He will get the opportunity to compete to be a starter with the Raiders. I believe Matt has that potential, but I also know he hasn’t had enough experience.”
Palmer is the latest high-priced player targeted by McKenzie this offseason. He joins defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, cornerback Michael Huff and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, all of whom were released.
Palmer, 33, is scheduled to earn $13 million in base salary in 2013, whereas Flynn is on the books for $5.25 million. Allen said he hasn’t spoken with Palmer since the Flynn trade.
“I talked to Carson probably Saturday, over the weekend, and kind of explained to him, where we were at, what the process was,” Allen said. “He and his representation totally understand where we’re at.”
McKenzie inherited a roster that featured Palmer as the unquestioned starter and Pryor the long-term project. Flynn provides a measure of comfort through McKenzie’s familiarity with the Louisiana State product.
McKenzie scouted Flynn in 2007, when McKenzie worked for the Green Bay Packers. Ultimately, the Packers selected two quarterbacks in the 2008 draft, Brian Brohm in the second round and Flynn in the seventh.
Taking a chance on Flynn is the latest in a long line of gambles by the Raiders on finding a long-term solution.
Since 2006, the Raiders committed seven draft picks on the following quarterbacks: JaMarcus Russell, Jason Campbell, Pryor, Palmer and Flynn.

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  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    bcz24 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 am
    Palmer will be a Cardinal by the end of the week.
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    And a dikhead as of now.

  • guest123

    00tt00 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:00 am
    Guest123 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 6:54 am
    Inevitable that Carson will cave, if he still wants to make $8 million that is. Or he can get on his high horse and pout and split hairs on contract details and watch that standing offer shrink down to journeyman backup money.
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    or he can wait out reggie…get released…and let the bidding begin

    ^^^^^^^

    bidding will begin at vet minimum and escalate to Jason Campbell money if it’s right before the season.

  • RaiderFredinDallas

    Carson’s deal will get done today. No question. ANOTHER GOOD MOVE BY REGGIE!

  • beechraider

    Bcz24 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 am
    Palmer will be a Cardinal by the end of the week.
    ————–
    the self proclaimed oracle has spoken. such words of wisdom. unlike the previous statements the oracle boldly predicted like “palmer will end up in seatle” or “palmer has no leverage”
    great post , i bet since palmer had dinner in arizona last night no one had a clue his deal will be done soon. as always you are cutting edge with info..

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    razor sharp sarcasm

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  • ArtilleryShell

    Ok, so how does Flynn’s restructured contract help us? Looks like the same money to me, added $1.25 mil this, subtracted it from next year salary. Guess it only helps us manage the cap for a year, doesn’t save anything

  • ArtilleryShell

    Wow, way to go Reg, you are a real capologist

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    “John Schneider: Money saved by Flynn trade “extremely valuable”

    So the Seahawks dumped an overpaid backup on the Raiders and they are proud of it.

    Then we turn around and give Flynn more money!

    “Raiders give Flynn considerably more guaranteed money”

    How is this not an Al Davis type of move?

    We are supposed to be operating on the cheap and the Seahawaks are taking advantage of us! LOL

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    So Cincinnati fleeces us on the Palmer trade.

    Then Seattle brags about dumping its crap on us for 2 draft picks.

    How are we getting better……the tarps seem like a good idea now!

  • ArtilleryShell

    Wow, DHB actually got $2.5 mil! We should be trading with them, see what we can fleece them for.

  • guest123

    It’s a fair question to ask.

    Why did Reggie tack on another $4 million in guaranteed money this year, when he was only on the hook for $2 million? What if Flynn doesn’t work out or gets hurt? What’s the tradeoff for that move? Whittling down next year’s cap number doesn’t add up as a good enough reason.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:33 am
    So Cincinnati fleeces us on the Palmer trade.

    Then Seattle brags about dumping its crap on us for 2 draft picks.

    How are we getting better……the tarps seem like a good idea now!
    *************************************
    Good trades are Win Win. The Cincy trade was Win – Lose because the Raiders overpaid for Palmer in a desperate situation set up by a head coach that did not have enought staff and did not have a good BU ready and available if somehting happened to Campbell.

    The Flynn trade is Win – Win. Seatlle gets cap relief (by the way Seattles cap is why we structured Flynns deal the way we did). We do not lose in 2013 pics nor any high pics later on. We get a QB who may be a legit starter while Seattle gets money to resign own key players. No one got fleeced here.

  • Whoknows

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/2/4173836/seattle-seahawks-interest-vince-young

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    Maybe Mumbles should have taken a look, instead of his tried and true method of getting GB rejects.

  • ArtilleryShell

    Yeah, where can we buy a tarp? We should wear ‘em to the games, that or Shrek masks. Reg, get on the phone to Colts and see who else they want from us. Bet they would give us a # 1 next year and # 2 this year for DMC. I love the guy, but we are crashing this year and he will be a free agent next year, and given our cap issues, plus the fact that we haven’t opened up talks about an extension, this is probably his last year as a Raider.

  • StarUkulele

    Good Morning Raider Nation!!!

  • 1960AutumnWind

    guest123 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:37 am
    It’s a fair question to ask.

    Why did Reggie tack on another $4 million in guaranteed money this year, when he was only on the hook for $2 million? What if Flynn doesn’t work out or gets hurt? What’s the tradeoff for that move? Whittling down next year’s cap number doesn’t add up as a good enough reason.

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    Just speculating here but I think that was favorable to the way Seattle can work trade against cap. The Raiders had to give something (cap relief) to get something (potential starting QB without giving up crucial draft pics in 2013).

  • Mr.LesterHayes

    we may not win one game next year

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Seattle considered Vince Young for about 5 minutes – are looking at Tyler Thigpen instead! LOL.

  • StarUkulele

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 6:29 am
    We play the ‘cerebral and meticulous’ game plan with Flynn till about week 9, and when he wears down, give it to Pryor to blow out teams with his superior atheletisism and the read option, slicing thru heavily favored playoff opponents on the way to the super bowl!

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    Yup, we are the 2011 Denver Bronco’s.

    =================================

    Or the 2012 49ers.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Lester Hayes

    If we do not sign some FA corners soon, I am with you but if we can get someone like Porter or Sheldon Brown as well as maybe a FA safety and get some starters in draft I think we will beat or record last year. I know that is not saying much but much better than 0-16.

  • ArtilleryShell

    We need to position ourselves for a QB through the draft next year. David Fales is my choice at this point, although he ain’t the new age mobile guy.

  • guest123

    @ WIND,

    I get the cap relief argument. We gave them the relief by taking Flynn off their hands. What does that have to do with giving him $6.25 million in guaranteed money over what he was on the hook for which was only $2 million in guaranteed money?

    Once he landed in Oakland, we didn’t have to mess with his contract and it would not affect Seattle’s cap any at that point. Flynn left no dead money on their cap. Why the increased Gtd money???

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    its probably going to be another 4-12 season.

    Then next year when the lease is up on the coliseum and DA and RM jobs are on the line the sky will actually be falling!

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  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    Seattle considered Vince Young for about 5 minutes – are looking at Tyler Thigpen instead! LOL.”

    He ‘crack 3rd string on Buffalo’s depth chart and people want him because he can run fast LOL

  • ArtilleryShell

    Looking at 3-13 next year at best, we have no Def, will rely on scheme and not talent. Offense might average 16 points

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    “Why the increased Gtd money???”

    That kind of killed the whole Pryor will get a chance to start thing.

    Not sure why the Pryor sycophants are not all over this?

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    Repost with error fixed:

    Seattle considered Vince Young for about 5 minutes – are looking at Tyler Thigpen instead! LOL.”

    He couldn’t crack 3rd string on Buffalo’s depth chart and people want him because he can run fast LOL

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 am

    its probably going to be another 4-12 season.
    ========================================

    Probably? Guaranteed like a Matt Flynn contract.

  • Whoknows

    Once he landed in Oakland, we didn’t have to mess with his contract and it would not affect Seattle’s cap any at that point. Flynn left no dead money on their cap. Why the increased Gtd money???
    *********************
    Because Reggie has no idea what he is doing. All he knows how to do is sign guys that his bosses at GB scouted and then let go.
    The only reason Wolfe recommended him was so his son could move up the GB totem pole.
    It is becoming painfully obvious that Reggie didn’t to anything at GB but take dictation and make coffee and pancakes.

  • ArtilleryShell

    What’s up with the status of hiring a team president? Is that for football or is that more operational/ business

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    Tarps covering the seats, a second year owner GM and HC with a QB who has only played in 2 NFL games.

    Recipe for success LMAO I think not…

    We are the new Cleveland Browns and Jacksonville Jaguars!

    No, we are thought of as worse than those teams now.

    It is official we have hit rock bottom!

  • willy91137

    I think we can go eight and eight next year if our running game gets going

    Flynn is a polished quarterback has been back up his whole career

    there’s been some great quarterbacks come to the forefront from the backup position let’s hope this is one of them I think the glass is half-full

    silver and black 666 the glass is half-empty we won’t know till September

  • The_Judge37

    Damm, a lot happened over the weekend. I hope this is a good move and Reggie isn’t operating a few pancakes short of a short stack.

  • ArtilleryShell

    Whoknows

    “It is becoming painfully obvious that Reggie didn’t to anything at GB but take dictation and make coffee and pancakes”

    funny!!!

  • DJ Johnny

    ArtilleryShell Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 am
    What’s up with the status of hiring a team president? Is that for football or is that more operational/ business

    I was wondering myself. We hear of guys then hear nothing else.

    -Madison Square Garden guy?

    -Ray Anderson from NFL offices?

    -Mike Holmgren?

    We heard they were talking to all of those guys but there was no follow up whatsoever.

  • DJ Johnny

    The_Judge37 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 am
    Damm, a lot happened over the weekend. I hope this is a good move and Reggie isn’t operating a few pancakes short of a short stack.

    Lol. Some guys say those IHOP jokes and pancake jabs are getting old but I disagree.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Tarps covering the seats, a second year owner GM and HC with a QB who has only played in 2 NFL games.

    Recipe for success LMAO I think not…

    We are the new Cleveland Browns and Jacksonville Jaguars!

    No, we are thought of as worse than those teams now.

    It is official we have hit rock bottom!
    ================================================

    Wait til we start the season 1-7. Then the heathen will be at the gates clamoring for everyone’s heads.

  • guest123

    Where’s the resident capologist when you need them?

    Some please splain to me why Reggie threw an additional $4 million gtd at Flynn?

    What’s in it for us?

  • No Mas Diamante

    RaiderFredinDallas Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 6:34 am
    In Reggie we Trust- Great moves so far!

    RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Agreed.So glad to be rid of Palmer. Now lets see if we can get something for Pryor because he is a gimmick guy who cannot throw the ball. He makes tebow look like brady. lol… All these arm chair GM’s and supposed capoligists on here are cracking me up.

  • The_Judge37

    838.DJ Johnny Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:57 am
    The_Judge37 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 am
    Damm, a lot happened over the weekend. I hope this is a good move and Reggie isn’t operating a few pancakes short of a short stack.

    Lol. Some guys say those IHOP jokes and pancake jabs are getting old but I disagree.
    ——

    They’re only not funny when they hit too close to reality.

  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    “Raiders give Flynn considerably more guaranteed money”

    “with a maximum value now at $26.4 million over three years.”

    Not good news if you are a Pryor supporter!!

  • DJ Johnny

    NFL Trade Rumors – Carson Palmer Meets With The Cardinals Monday Night NFL Trade Rumors – | Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 am
    [...] just realized that it was time for us to move on and move forward,” Allen said of Palmer, via the Oakland Tribune. “…I talked to Carson probably Saturday, over the weekend, and kind of explained to him, [...]

    I’m probably the only one but did anyone else find it interesting that DA couldn’t remember whether he talked to Carson on Saturday or not?

    Probably just me.

  • guest123

    Put another way, couldn’t we have better used that extra $4 mill now to sign a Porter or Jenkins?

  • The_Judge37

    I like that they are going to make Flynn compete for the starting job.

    Just goes show that just because Reggie trades draft picks for a QB who’s going to make $5 million a year, he’s still just “Camp Fodder” like everyone else on the roster.

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  • No Mas Diamante

    Reggie still cleaning up Al’s and Hue’s mess.

  • DJ Johnny

    Guest123 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 7:59 am
    Where’s the resident capologist when you need them?

    Some please splain to me why Reggie threw an additional $4 million gtd at Flynn?

    What’s in it for us?

    I think by guaranteeing Flynn’s 6 mill THIS yr. it avoids spreading out guaranteed money for future years and turns more into “prove it” season for 2013.

  • Charlie

    Shell

    You are forgetting about the draft.

    You will see an infusion of an OT/G and DT with our top two picks.

    Next year we actually have all of our picks.

    We are in need of two good drafts.
    Last year we had no first day picks. Blame Hue and anyone else you would like associated with the Raiders in 2011 or prior.