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Coach Allen hopeful of Flynn following footsteps of Rodgers, Schaub

By Steve Corkran
Monday, April 1st, 2013 at 6:09 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders makeover kicked into overdrive Monday when they traded for inexperienced quarterback Matt Flynn and worked further on jettisoning veteran quarterback Carson Palmer.
General manager Reggie McKenzie has been in cost-cutting mode since he was hired by owner Mark Davis last year.
Getting out from under “out-of-whack contracts” and finding a long-term solution at quarterback were huge priorities from the outset. In Flynn, the Raiders are hopeful they found their man at a fraction of the price Palmer would have cost.
“Matt’s one of those guys, even though he hasn’t had a lot of opportunities, when he’s had those opportunities, he’s made the most out of those chances,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said in a conference call. “We feel real good about that, and feel real good about getting a young prospect at quarterback.”
Therein lies the rub. Palmer started 121 regular-season games during his 10-year NFL career. Flynn and Terrelle Pryor combined for three starts during their NFL careers. Yet, one of them is going to be the starter a little more than five months from today.
Palmer still is a part of the Raiders roster. However, he no longer is a part of their plans, Allen said. Several reports said Palmer is bound for the Arizona Cardinals in exchange for a late-round draft pick.
“When we looked at it, both from his standpoint and our standpoint, we just realized that it was time for us to move on and move forward,” Allen said of Palmer.
Flynn was unavailable for comment. He is slated to speak with Bay Area media Tuesday.
Flynn, 27, started only two games in his five NFL seasons. He spent his first four seasons backing up Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. Last season, he appeared in only three games for the Seahawks after being beaten out by rookie Russell Wilson.
Allen said he is hopeful that Flynn will flourish if given the opportunity, in much the same way Rodgers did taking over for Brett Favre and Matt Schaub did after being traded to the Houston Texans.
Neither Allen nor McKenzie anointed Flynn the clear-cut starter. That’s in keeping with their stance that they want competition at every position.
Yet, it seems likely that McKenzie and Allen are counting upon Flynn to be their starting quarterback for 2013 and beyond.
“Matt is a tough football player, and a talented quarterback,” McKenzie said in a press release. “He will get the opportunity to compete to be a starter with the Raiders. I believe Matt has that potential, but I also know he hasn’t had enough experience.”
Palmer is the latest high-priced player targeted by McKenzie this offseason. He joins defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, cornerback Michael Huff and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, all of whom were released.
Palmer, 33, is scheduled to earn $13 million in base salary in 2013, whereas Flynn is on the books for $5.25 million. Allen said he hasn’t spoken with Palmer since the Flynn trade.
“I talked to Carson probably Saturday, over the weekend, and kind of explained to him, where we were at, what the process was,” Allen said. “He and his representation totally understand where we’re at.”
McKenzie inherited a roster that featured Palmer as the unquestioned starter and Pryor the long-term project. Flynn provides a measure of comfort through McKenzie’s familiarity with the Louisiana State product.
McKenzie scouted Flynn in 2007, when McKenzie worked for the Green Bay Packers. Ultimately, the Packers selected two quarterbacks in the 2008 draft, Brian Brohm in the second round and Flynn in the seventh.
Taking a chance on Flynn is the latest in a long line of gambles by the Raiders on finding a long-term solution.
Since 2006, the Raiders committed seven draft picks on the following quarterbacks: JaMarcus Russell, Jason Campbell, Pryor, Palmer and Flynn.

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  • http://goducks.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    DJ Johnny Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 am
    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:21 am
    DJ Johnny Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:19 am

    The part I don’t like is Reggie not being able to close the deal on a middling, aging guy he wanted.

    =======================================

    There’s nothing about “closing a deal” there. Newman obviously never had any intention of leaving Cincy and just using our interest to try to get the notoriously tightwad Bengals to cough up a few more bux.

    You think so? Ok. That’s cool, I hope that’s the case.

    ====================================

    Why else would Newman have sat on our offer for literally weeks on end, whilst dropping subtle hints that he was thinking of coming here, while telling Cincy beat writers he really wanted to stay? He just wanted more money and didn’t want to move.

  • guest123

    Honestly I never wanted Newman here, with his age and background. Glad he went back to Cincy.

    Mildly hopeful for Portet, but didn’t want to get hopes up. He’d spurned us before. He’s still young and talented. Hopefully his injuries are behind him going into a prove it year.

    Jenkins can stay away too, not very enthused about him either, at least he’s younger.

    Glad we signed Portet! Welcome to Raider Nation!

  • DJ Johnny

    I wish on these one yr. deals there was a way to throw in a team option where we guarantee one yr. and have option to make it 2 or 3 depending on performance.

    I guess every GM would prefer that.

  • The_Judge37

    The Saints needed CB’s, and they let Porter walk. The Donkey’s need CB’s, and they let Porter walk. That’s gotta be some kinda red flag

  • http://goducks.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    The_Judge37 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:26 am
    The Saints needed CB’s, and they let Porter walk. The Donkey’s need CB’s, and they let Porter walk. That’s gotta be some kinda red flag

    ======================================

    Who knows? Could be injury issues that he’s finally healed from, or maybe he’s a headcase that only DA can really handle. At any rate, it’s only a one-year deal so no biggie if he doesn’t work out.

  • The_Judge37

    In Jenkins case, the Cowboys are at least strapped for cash, and there’s always the possibilty JJ doesn’t know what he’s doing. So there’s hope that Jenkins can be a steal. He was alright in Dallas.

  • Charlie

    I think DJ is correct.

    Everything Reggie has done has focused on pay relative to production.
    Reggie has been very consistent in that.

    My post below was what I said prior to Bey and Kelly being cut.
    The same applaie to Palmer and will also apply to McClain.

    Charlie Says:
    March 12th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
    We are looking at 7 wins at best this year but we are cleaning up the garbage contracts that have killed us since 2007.
    I think Kelly and DHB are the next to go if they do not take LESS. NOT restructure-take less.
    McClain is gone. Just waiting for the right time.

  • The_Judge37

    905.Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 am
    The_Judge37 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:26 am
    The Saints needed CB’s, and they let Porter walk. The Donkey’s need CB’s, and they let Porter walk. That’s gotta be some kinda red flag

    ======================================

    Who knows? Could be injury issues that he’s finally healed from, or maybe he’s a headcase that only DA can really handle. At any rate, it’s only a one-year deal so no biggie if he doesn’t work out.
    ——-

    We don’t have any corners, so as you can see what happened last year, if he doesn’t work out it’s a pretty big deal. Also DA hasn’t shown he can deal with any head cases.

  • inonewordraider

    i want star @3 but with with run stuffers and cb’s signed and pursued and a new qb

    all signs point to drafting a pass rusher

    who does Reggie like: Werner? Moore? Jones? Jordan? Ansah? Mingo?

  • DJ Johnny

    Porter has that “Super Bowl pedigree” that Al Davis liked. Made the int. on Manning that sealed the deal.

    Maybe he can continue to be a thorn in Manning’s side?

  • inonewordraider

    The Saints needed CB’s, and they let Porter walk
    _____________
    the Saints had a visit with Porter, the Raiders probably outbid them

  • inonewordraider

    The_Judge37 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 am
    In Jenkins case, the Cowboys are at least strapped for cash, and there’s always the possibilty JJ doesn’t know what he’s doing. So there’s hope that Jenkins can be a steal. He was alright in Dallas.
    ___________
    competition with adams and francies

  • The_Judge37

    911.inonewordraider Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:31 am
    The Saints needed CB’s, and they let Porter walk
    _____________
    the Saints had a visit with Porter, the Raiders probably outbid them
    —–

    I was refering to their 1st stint with Porter. But still, they had one of the worst secondaries this year and still let us out bid them?

  • DJ Johnny

    Did Porter have anything to do with that miracle Flacco to Jones late TD in the playoffs?

  • RaidingTexas

    Charlie Says:

    McClain is gone. Just waiting for the right time.

    ——————————————

    When is the right time? When they get tired of his agent having no luck finding a trade for him?

  • http://goducks.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    The_Judge37 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 am
    In Jenkins case, the Cowboys are at least strapped for cash, and there’s always the possibilty JJ doesn’t know what he’s doing. So there’s hope that Jenkins can be a steal. He was alright in Dallas.

    ===========================================

    There’s more than a “possibility” Jones doesn’t know what he’s doing. He lucked into Jimmy Johnson when he bought the Cowboys, and won one more Super Bowl with Jimmy’s players and assistants after running him out of town. Since then? He’s been a younger, less football-savvy version of 2005 Al Davis.

  • RaidingTexas

    Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider 31m
    Tarleton State wide receiver Cordell Valentine has a private workout for the Oakland Raiders on Friday, per a league source.

  • Charlie

    DJ

    See below. Player friendly contracts is what has killed us since at least 2007. It is one of the resaons I have been saying the Raider’s situation is far worse that anything in the history of the cap era in the NFL. At least we are not making these mistakes any longer.

    “Most NFL contract guarantees contain language which allows a club to reduce the amount they owe a released player by the amount of his new deal with another club (an “offset”). Since Routt’s contract doesn’t have this language, he has been getting paid this year from both the Raiders and the Chiefs. Routt counts $10,785,334 in dead money on Oakland’s cap. Without the restructuring, his dead money would only be $3,333,334. Routt made $15 million for the one season he played under this deal.
    Kamerion Wimbley is the other major dead money charge for the Raiders at $9.9 million. McKenzie attempted to renegotiate the five-year, $48.5 million contract Wimbley received last year, but didn’t have much leverage because $6.5 million of his 2012 base salary was fully guaranteed without an offset at signing. He released Wimbley on March 16th, a day before the remaining $4.5 million of his $11 million 2012 base salary, his $11 million 2013 base salary and $2 million of his 2014 base salary became fully guaranteed. Kevin Boss and John Henderson, who were also released, are receiving $2 million and $1.5 million payments, respectively, from the Raiders this year because of salary guarantees without offsets.

  • guest123

    DJ Johnny Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 am
    Did Porter have anything to do with that miracle Flacco to Jones late TD in the playoffs?

    ^^^^^^

    no, he was IR by then.

  • The_Judge37

    There’s more than a “possibility” Jones doesn’t know what he’s doing. He lucked into Jimmy Johnson when he bought the Cowboys, and won one more Super Bowl with Jimmy’s players and assistants after running him out of town. Since then? He’s been a younger, less football-savvy version of 2005 Al Davis.
    ——-

    Agreed, but then again there’s also the problem of other teams taking chances on our players with the Idea that AD didn’t know what he was doing anymore and that has burned them.

  • The_Judge37

    915.RaidingTexas Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:33 am
    Charlie Says:

    McClain is gone. Just waiting for the right time.

    ——————————————

    When is the right time? When they get tired of his agent having no luck finding a trade for him?
    ——-

    The right time is right before the season starts, so he can’t catch on with anyone’s starting line up.

  • hwnrdr

    914.DJ Johnny Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 am
    Did Porter have anything to do with that miracle Flacco to Jones late TD in the playoffs?

    Nope

  • http://goducks.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    RaidingTexas Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:33 am
    Charlie Says:

    McClain is gone. Just waiting for the right time.

    ——————————————

    When is the right time? When they get tired of his agent having no luck finding a trade for him?

    =========================================

    Actually, that gives Reggie perfect cover to really humiliate #55. We can tell Rolando to stay away from camp, keep him on until final cuts, dump him then (when it will be next to impossible for him to latch on anywhere), and say “Rolando’s agent said he’d work out a trade, and we kept waiting for him to get back to us.”

  • Charlie

    Texas

    Alot depends on the type of contract McClain has.

    “When a player is released or traded, the remaining proration of the salary components that are treated like a signing bonus immediately accelerate into his team’s current salary cap. For example, if a player signs a five-year contract with a $5 million signing bonus, $1 million of his signing bonus counts towards the salary cap for each year of his five-year contract. If he is released after the second year of his contract, the $2 million of signing bonus proration from the last two years of the contract automatically accelerates into the club’s current cap, creating $3 million of dead money.

    There are two major exceptions to this general rule. With players released or traded after June 1, only the current year’s proration counts towards the cap while the proration from the remaining contract years doesn’t accelerate until the next year. A team can also release two players each year prior to June 1st that will be treated under the cap as if they were released after June 1. This is commonly referred to as a post-June 1 designation.”

    The timing of the draft is also a factor for e team looking for an LB.

    I think we will need to cut him.

  • JLofty

    I think I’m starting to feel better about this off-season.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    pcraider Says:
    Judge, if Carson didn’t want to be here and we don’t trade a 5th rounder next year (knowing were gonna get 4 comp picks that very same year)
    ========================================================

    I thought comp picks were largely a function of the differential between how well the FA’s you lost and aquired performed/were paid. (geez, even I’m not real clear on what I just wrote)

    So you kind of don’t want many, if any comp picks meaning you made the right moves in free agency.
    But I could be wrong. It has happened.

  • http://goducks.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    Extra humiliation points for saying (when we cut him), “Heck, we would have even taken a swap of seventh-rounders for McClain. Guess nobody wants him.”

  • JLofty

    Like maybe there is a plan after all….

  • The_Judge37

    The only problem i really have with this recent Flynn deal is that Carson is still on the roster. What is the motivation now for Arizona to Trade with us if they can just resign him after he’s cut and not take on his contract? We tipped our hand too early. He should’ve been gone as soon as the Flynn deal was made final.

  • JLofty

    Talk about a makeover. Dang!

  • StarUkulele

    Raiders signed CB Tracy Porter to a one-year contract.
    Chalk up a quality signing for Oakland. Although Porter fell out of favor in Denver last year following his strange medical issues, he’s a capable right corner that can play the slot in nickel formations. He’s made 43 career starts and was a key piece of the Saints’ 2009 Super Bowl team. The Raiders still have one of the league’s worst secondaries, but Porter and Phillip Adams are at least a serviceable duo.

    Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

    Thanks Schefty!!

  • RaidingTexas

    The_Judge37 Says:

    The right time is right before the season starts, so he can’t catch on with anyone’s starting line up.

    ——————————————

    Admittedly, I don’t know all the rules regarding salary cap – like can you carry salary cap over the limit for a certain amount of time? But I would think they need to free up his cap hit to sign some draft picks well before the season begins.

  • guest123

    RaidingTexas Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:33 am
    Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider 31m
    Tarleton State wide receiver Cordell Valentine has a private workout for the Oakland Raiders on Friday, per a league source.

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    looks like kick returning is his thing.

  • StarUkulele

    JLofty Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:40 am
    Like maybe there is a plan after all….

    ========

    I told you guys all along…

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Porter will take less money to play anywhere but Oakland.

  • RaidingTexas

    The_Judge37 Says:

    What is the motivation now for Arizona to Trade with us if they can just resign him after he’s cut and not take on his contract? We tipped our hand too early.

    ————————————–

    Nah. Arizona wants a QB. They will want Carson in for OTAs. I imagine they want him, they will try to get this deal closed soon.

  • gangosix

    see ya carson,thanks for nothing,you ARE a quitter.like i said when you left u.s.c. “thanks for nothing”

  • Braveheartraider

    I can’t believe this. We seem to know WTF we’re doing. What’s going on out there?

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    EXTEND REGGIE NOW.

  • RaidingTexas

    Guest123 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:42 am
    RaidingTexas Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:33 am
    Aaron Wilson @RavensInsider 31m
    Tarleton State wide receiver Cordell Valentine has a private workout for the Oakland Raiders on Friday, per a league source.

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    looks like kick returning is his thing.

    ——————————————-

    Yeah, not a lot to talk about in the receiving stats dept. I don’t even know what kind of offense Tarleton runs. He ran back two kicks for TDs. Not that it means a lot in the Lone Star Conference.

  • guest123

    If Carson can fanagle a few more bucks from Arizona, more power to him. The parameters of compensation the Raiders will recieve for him won’t change any.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Strange medical issues.

    Yes.

  • Charlie

    There is absolutely a plan.

    Some of my recent posts have shown how “player friendly” contracts can kill a team.

    Mr. Davis got players to come to the Raiders with these ridiculous deals that no one else in the NFL would provide.

    As a result we got guys who came to Oakland for one last paycheck.
    They had no interest in winning games and in most cases seemed to have lost the passion to play.

    Hence we are 49-111 over the last ten years while being at or over the cap.
    Ridiculous.

  • The_Judge37

    936.RaidingTexas Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 am
    The_Judge37 Says:

    What is the motivation now for Arizona to Trade with us if they can just resign him after he’s cut and not take on his contract? We tipped our hand too early.

    ————————————–

    Nah. Arizona wants a QB. They will want Carson in for OTAs. I imagine they want him, they will try to get this deal closed soon.
    ——-

    Like you mentioned with McClain, we’ll need to cut him before camp to sign some one else.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    JLofty Says:
    I think I’m starting to feel better about this off-season.
    ======================================================

    And so the cycle begins anew. Happens to me every year. Has for decades. Can’t help myself. Look at my handle. Maybe I’d be even happier chronically pessimistic and forever in doom and gloom mode like many here. Fortunately, I wouldn’t know where to start.

  • DJ Johnny

    The_Judge37 Says:
    April 2nd, 2013 at 8:40 am
    The only problem i really have with this recent Flynn deal is that Carson is still on the roster. What is the motivation now for Arizona to Trade with us if they can just resign him after he’s cut and not take on his contract? We tipped our hand too early. He should’ve been gone as soon as the Flynn deal was made final.

    …but if Az. really wants Palmer then they risk Palmer being cut and hooking up with any other team.

    Hence the incentive to do a trade now right?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Portet!!!!

  • gangosix

    so carson wants to go to a playoff team? and he picks the cards? har,har,har,the raiders will make the playoffs before the cardinals,har,har. loser

  • oldschoolraider

    According to KFFL CB Porter has signed a one year deal with the Raiders.
    Go Reggie!

  • DJ Johnny

    Charlie,

    You seem to be okay with these one yr. deals. Like I said, they’re fine for Raiders bottom line but what happens if Porter and Adams go pro bowl on us?

    They would be demanding a lot more money the next yr. that Reggie might not wanna pay.