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Flynn going to compete for starting job

By Steve Corkran
Monday, April 1st, 2013 at 11:24 am in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders acquired quarterback Matt Flynn from the Seattle Seahawks on Monday in exchange for two future draft picks.
The arrival of Flynn is coupled with the expected trade of Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer to the Arizona Cardinals for a late-round draft pick.
The Raiders dealt a 2014 fifth-round pick and an unconditional draft pick in 2015 to the Seahawks for Flynn. It’s likely that the Raiders will recoup a late-round pick for trading Palmer.
Palmer was the unquestioned starter last season. Flynn isn’t being handed the job, general manager Reggie McKenzie said.
“Matt is a tough football player, and a talented quarterback,” McKenzie said in a press release. “He will get the opportunity to compete to be a starter with the Raiders. I believe Matt has that potential, but I also know he hasn’t had enough experience.”
Flynn has started only two games in his five NFL seasons. He spent his first four seasons backing up Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. Last season, he appeared in only three games for the Seahawks after being beaten out by rookie Russell Wilson.
McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen said they want competition at every position. Therefore, Flynn is going to compete against second-year player Terrelle Pryor for the starting job. Pryor started one game in his first two NFL seasons.
Trading for Flynn and moving on from Palmer has just as much to do with money as it does anything. Palmer is slated to earn $13 million in base salary this season. Flynn carries a $5.25 million price tag for this season.
The Raiders save approximately $6 million by jettisoning Palmer, though Palmer counts $9.34 million against the cap because of the unaccounted for prorated portion of his 2012 signing bonus.
Flynn, 27, gives general manager Reggie McKenzie a quarterback of his choosing and one that he is familiar with from the four years he spent with Flynn in Green Bay as members of the Packers from 2008-11.
McKenzie inherited Palmer and Pryor from the previous regime that was led by head coach Hue Jackson.
Jackson engineered a midseason trade for Palmer in 2011 that cost the Raiders a first-round pick last year and a second-rounder in this year’s draft. The Raiders won only eight of the 24 games that Palmer started.
Flynn is six years younger than Palmer, far less expensive and someone eager to show that he is talented enough to be a full-time starter in the NFL.

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  • http://polarityblog.com Silverandblack666

    “And from a management standpoint…

    Reggie just created the first significantly profitable season for all ownership in the last decade.

    He’s not going anywhere, anytime soon.”

    You are not supposed to profit from your NFL team if you are a perennial winner. The 49ers ran in the red all those years they won those Super Bowls get real.

  • 00tt00

    Cervantes Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    And from a management standpoint…

    Reggie just created the first significantly profitable season for all ownership in the last decade.

    He’s not going anywhere, anytime soon.
    ——————-
    There are plenty of teams that are profitable by not fielding a competitive team it looks like that’s the direction we’re going

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Can we stop with the “Flynn was JaMeatloaf’s backup” thing?

    1) JaHambone was a quality college QB

    2) You know what Flynn did when he was starter? Won the g-damn national title.

  • Cervantes

    Agree with 184.

    To me Reggie is going D Line with that 1st pick and is going to draft D heavy.

    I think he like’s TPs ability to extend plays and is comfortable with Flynn (who has put up some awesome numbers in his 2 starts).

    The number 1 edict is going to protect the ball. No reason to pay 13 million (Brady Money) to a turnover machine who gambles far too much.

    **************************************************

    Its also funny that somehow people think that trading for flynn equals “no faith in pryor”

    I dont see that at all.

    If reggie was so desperate for a qb instead of pryor why didnt he go out and get a big name qb?

    He sigend a back up qb, and gave up something fair for acquiring said back up.

    I dont see what that has to do with pryor other than putting both guys in a one year try out.

    They will either seize the job or be stop gaps until we get bridgewtwer or boyhd

  • NGRaiderfan

    Thec Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    3. McKenzie and Allen have very little faith in Pryor.

    ++++++=====

    Thats one persons opinion. Might as well b dr. Rob saying it. Thats all it is. He’s entitled to it. But it means nothing.

  • Dakota

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    Its also funny that somehow people think that trading for flynn equals “no faith in pryor”

    I dont see that at all.

    If reggie was so desperate for a qb instead of pryor why didnt he go out and get a big name qb?

    +++++++++++++++

    lmao….like who? This was a bad market for QBs…..Kolb? Try and get Favre out of retirement?

    Reggie has been scouting all of the college QBs, and beating the bushes trying to find a QB on other team’s rosters….such a good sign for his faith in Pryor.

  • rayguy4hof

    CP won only 8 of 24 games he started as mentioned in this article. However, how many of those games was DMac healthy? In addition, what if we never switched to ZBS under Knapp and continued with power blocking through last season. Not a Palmer supporter but just trying to be objective.

  • Cervantes

    You are joking…Yes?

    *****************************

    You are not supposed to profit from your NFL team if you are a perennial winner. The 49ers ran in the red all those years they won those Super Bowls get real.

  • rudegruden

    Flynn = Frank Reich or Matt Cassell or Steve Bono or Billy Volek…I can go on and on….

  • nycraider

    Charlie lets not get off topic how can you be mister build by the draft and then disregard reggie trading two draft picks . And guys like jason campbell only cost 1 to 2 mil. You can’t spew reggie values draft picks then he goes and gives 2 picks away for a qb who has started 2 games in 5years

  • Gdog

    Flynn is a cost effective backup and a capable backup to Pryor all we need now is a vet to come in and compete with the new face of the franchise and add stability…..period

    >>>>

    Is typing “period” supposed to make the rest of this dribble valid or something?

    Vince Young is a valid backup to Pryor… prolly vet minimum and they are both similar players… plus Reggie keeps his coveted draft picks.

    Reggie see’s the same thing that the rest of us see in watching game film of Pryor… a guy that can’t complete passes with velocity, and has such horrible footwork and arm mechanics it might take three more years to straighten out.

  • 00tt00

    I do not personally care about Palmer ….once Reggie started dismantling the team it made no sense to keep him anyway
    Now it’s time to get rid of dmac, McClain, veld, wiz and Houston so we could tank And set in motion the new ownership with the new GM a new Staff

  • Charlie

    Cervantes

    Agreed.
    As I have said 49-111 over the last ten years under seven different coaching staffs = really bad players.

    We ought to be about $20-$30 million under the cap.

    Play better and win some games and get paid more.
    Seems reasonable.

  • Cervantes

    It’s possible, but these scenarios are prevented by the CBA whereby a team must spend 89% of its cap space every 4 years.

    We are a small market in the mold of Pittsburg and GB which requires excellent drafting and choice FA acquisitions.

    This is the direction we are going and in order to do that we have to have tremendous cap flexibility.

    All of which the GM you want fired has created within only 2 offseasons.

    Given what he inherited, the man could not have done a better job.

    ******************************************

    There are plenty of teams that are profitable by not fielding a competitive team it looks like that’s the direction we’re going

  • Gdog

    rudegruden Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Flynn = Frank Reich or Matt Cassell or Steve Bono or Billy Volek…I can go on and on….

    >>>>

    …Rich Gannon.

  • dr_robert

    Priesttj12 Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    If you really think Flynn could beat out Pryor you are really blind with bias. At no point in his career has Flynn been better than Pryor. To suggest he has shows blatant ignorance. If Palmer was not a shoe-in and I’m telling ya’ he wasn’t how much less is Flynn?

    ************
    in actual nfl games, flynn has dominated pryor to a ridiculous degree. deal with it. none of the old bull about palmer can be used anymore. pryor has one start. flynn has two. flynn owns pryor in EVERY way.

    flynn:
    92.0 qb rating
    61.7% completion %

    pryor:
    70.8 qb rating
    46.7 completion %

  • Cervantes

    We’ll run businesses have a system that allows them to only pay for performance because the system helps them identify their guy and develop them.

    Let other teams over pay for our average players…we’ll make better ones at a fraction of the cost.

    Makes sure players under contract are always hungry too.

    It’s the perfect model for a franchise with limited resources due to their stadium situation.

    As a business owner…I’m SURE the owners are in love with what Reggie is doing.

    **************************************

    Play better and win some games and get paid more.
    Seems reasonable.

  • dr_robert

    why all the immediate hatred for our new qb?

    why are some of u palmer-haters immediately trying to diss flynn?

    he’s not a quitter. he’s not a loser.

    why? what color is he, by the way?

    u are validating everything i have ever called u out for.

  • Cervantes

    Reggie traded 1 draft pick and is getting at least 1 back from AZ or he’ll cut Palmer and let a bidding war ensue that will net him a higher compensation pick next year along with compensations picks for all the FAs we let go.

    No way he trades Carson for anything less than he could get as compensation next year.

    How’s that do it for ya NYC

    *******************************************

    Charlie lets not get off topic how can you be mister build by the draft and then disregard reggie trading two draft picks . And guys like jason campbell only cost 1 to 2 mil. You can’t spew reggie values draft picks then he goes and gives 2 picks away for a qb who has started 2 games in 5years

  • dr_robert

    opening day for my beloved reds! they are stacked.

    i do like the a’s as my other team. always have. since the chalres finley ’70′s of my youth.

    he had property near my home in indiana. a big barn with the a’s logo on it.

  • Cervantes

    BTW, Veld, Houston, and any other player that EARNS an extension will get an extension after June 1 when Reggie knows exactly what he’s got from the draft.

    Raider now are like the Raiders of old.

    Fiscally responsible where players actually EARN what they make.

    Might take some of y’all a year or 2 more to get used to what a real NFL looks like.

    And I’m going to go on Record and say we win 6+ games this year.

  • RaiderDebo

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21988998/quarterbacking-the-raiders-a-recent-history

    @@@@@@@@@@@@

    This ends the idiotic, mythical assertion that Palmer was the “best Raider QB since Gannon”. He just barely nipped JaMarcus, but I’d take JR over him any day.

  • Charlie

    NYC

    First of all the odds of getting an immediate starter in rounds four and later in the draft are low.
    We gave up a fifth rounder in 2014 and a conditional pick in 2015 for Flynn.
    BFD.

    Further we may get about the same in a Palmer trade so the draft pick issue is about a wash.

    Finally, Reggie is not responsible for a penny of the dead money mess we have in 2013. Not one cent.

    Blame the players and whoever inked the ridiculous deals below and traded 3 of our top four picks in 2012 and 2013.
    It was not Reggie:
    Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:

    DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
    QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
    LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
    CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
    FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
    DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
    WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
    LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
    P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
    TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
    DT John Henderson $4,750,000
    PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
    CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
    LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
    OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
    FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
    SS Mike Mitchell $965,500

  • DKnight007

    inonewordraider Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    now go draft star and or a pass rusher and or a olineman!

    ^^^^^^^^
    Or trade down and get more picks!

    If he stays at #3 only players I want McK to draft is pass rushers Jordan or Ansah, all everything DLinemen Star or OT Fisher.

    If McK stays at #3 and picks a short armed 3 tech that we don’t need in Floyd, I will be pissed.

  • mcfadden20.

    :) :):)

  • DKnight007

    I hate to say it, but it would be a smart move to see what teams are willing to give up in a trade for DMC with draft picks.

  • theghostronin79

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    I see there are already people here that have flynn cemented as the starter next season.

    Too funny

    =========

    I actually think Pryor has his best opportunity RIGHT NOW……If Palmer were still around, I doubt there would be that “Competition” Big Mac spoke of. It would have been Carson’s job to lose……

    NOW, with Flynn being the new guy, it’s NOBODIES job right now. It actually will be a legitimate competition, and the best guy will win. Who knows, they may even draft a rookie late…..

    I feel the best about this scenario. It was time for change, and now we have to let things shake out. Hope Pryor is gunning for success. Flynn ain’t gonna be some camp Push-over I don’t think.

  • fingers

    Our Qb situation is a Big ?……

  • fingers

    226..agree… If we got a good offer for McFadden id be all over it…hes given us no reason to believe he can play 16 games

  • NGRaiderfan

    Flynn is not going to be given the starting role. He will be given a chance to compete. He has played in two games his career and is 1-1 with good numbers on a good team with weapons galore that happened to be playing against really bad defenses when they played them. That isnt taking anything away from him but dont annoint him the savior just yet.

    Saying he is the statter because he threw for 480 yds in one game and pryor only threw for 150 is forgetting te fact that he got beat out by a guy who didnt throw for 300 yds all season until the atl game and had 9 games where he (wilson) threw for less than 200 yds.

    153 week 1
    151 week 2
    130 week 3
    160 week 4
    122 week 7
    173 week 9
    188 week 10
    148 week 14
    171 week 16

    Just a thought. 6 yrs pro and 2 starts under his belt. Its gonna b a competition

  • madraiderfan

    Are you kidding me? I watched the highlights of the New England and Green Bay game. Flynn didn’t do anything spectacular. He is average at best. TP will give him all he can handle in the preseason. However, Flynn did throw a pick six. If he was that good, why did he loose out to a rookie. I know most of you think TP is a bust, but you are wrong. Time will tell. Hang in there Raider fans.

  • raiderinparadise

    Just Win Baby Says:
    April 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    TP – for bunghole cleansing.

    ——-

    TP – Toilet Paper, as in Al Davis’s last wipe.

  • madraiderfan

    Flynn for looser of the year.

  • raiderlization

    All of you Pryor haters Salavate! I knew Reggie was a Fare Man as well as an Awsome GM! Go Raiders!

  • qodrn1

    From the Arizona Republic:

    By Kent Somers azcentral sports Mon Apr 1, 2013 11:56 AM

    The Cardinals continued trade discussions Monday in an effort to obtain quarterback Carson Palmer from the Raiders.

    Palmer, 33, would become the Cardinals starter, provided the deal can be pulled off, with Drew Stanton as the backup.

    The trade is expected to involve draft picks, with the Cardinals sending a mid-to late-round pick to Oakland for Palmer, and perhaps a late-round pick return.

    Acquiring Palmer is not a simple transaction. He became available only after he rejected a pay cut from the Raiders, who then traded for Seattle quarterback Matt Flynn.

    Before trading for Palmer, the Cardinals had to be assured he was willing to take less than the $13 million he was due this season. USA Today is reporting that Palmer’s new deal in Arizona would be worth about $8 million this season.

    So far this off-season, the Cardinals have acquired two new quarterbacks: Palmer and Stanton. A third could come via the draft later this month.

    Palmer, 6-feet-5-inch, 230 pounds, seems to have the attributes coach Bruce Arians favors in a quarterback: size and the ability to throw deep. Arians offensive system is not unlike the one Palmer played in with the Bengals from 2004 through 2010.

    Palmer forced his departure from the Bengals by threatening to retire if he wasn’t traded. The Bengals received a first-round pick in 2012 and a second-round choice this year in return for Palmer.

    The Raiders went 8-16 with Palmer as a starter.

  • qodrn1

    What is a late-round pick return?

  • RaiderFredinDallas

    IN REGGIE WE TRUST! GREAT TRADE!

  • RaiderFredinDallas

    RENEWING SEASON TICKETS! GREAT JOB REGGIE!
    EXTEND HIS CONTRACT NOW!

  • gangosix

    happy you’re here matt,nice move reggie,now off to draft day, go raiders!

  • UCLA Raiders

    Glad that now twice quitter, Palmer is gone. Sad part is my wife just bought two jerseys for my boys one for #85 DHB and the other you guessed it #3 Palmer!!!! I’m gonna try returning BOTH!!

    My thoughts about this switch of Flynn for Palmer? Despite the love Palmer had shown some local beat writers by responding to their emails and hence their expected subsequent praise of his talent I like getting rid of Palmer for the more accurate, younger, mobile and controlled QB, Flynn. Ok Flynn may not be able to throw the length of the field which explains why he was a seventh rounder but i bet he manages the game better than Palmer. I agree w those who likened this to replacing an erratic but highly talented Jeff George with journeyman Rich Gannon.
    I think Palmer gave up on his second team, he’s a twice quitter now. Why? I can’t prove this but I’ll speculate he is in constant contact and under influence of Hue Jackson who is still bitter about getting fired. At least we don’t have to see him across the bay carry the jock straps of Kapernick!!!!
    Addition by subtraction of a gun slinger QB.

  • Raider_Nation

    As a raider fan i love what reggie is doing trimming all the extra no good fat in this organization all you raider fans keep saying fire reggie well hes doing a whole hell of a lot better than when al was here and as far as flynn all you guys needs to stop hating on the kid until he actually plays a season then you can talk all you raider haters need to get your facts straight before you start talking.. GO RAIDERS!!!