History suggests Raiders can get standout player at No. 42

DKnight007

NSRaider Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
This second round pick better be a good one…..

The Miami Dolphins bragged about how little they gave up moving up from No. 12 to No. 3 in a trade with the Raiders. The Raiders also got pick No. 42 in the trade.

And it was surprisingly easy to get up that high. The Dolphins only needed to surrender their 12th and 42nd overall picks; comparable trades in the past have taken two first-rounders to consummate.

Ireland said he first approached Oakland about moving up before the draft began. After the Raiders had been on the clock for a few minutes, he called and made his first offer. Too low, the Raiders said. A minute later, the Raiders called back and asked for the Dolphins’ first-rounder and first second-rounder.

Ireland agreed, and they had a deal – much to the surprise of many in the Dolphins’ war room.

“I feel like everybody in the room was shocked,” Ross said.

Elated might be a better way to put it.

Reggie is being played.

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I would like to know how “low” the Fins first offer was?

Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

Oops, bad list!
But it’s alphabetical!

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

Dolphins could say what they want.. they are obviously not a very confident bunch.

Raiders needed a 2nd round pick.. and they got it back. THey could have said no.. then you would have no 2nd round pick.

Reggie could have refused the trade and said give me more.. and Dolphins could have said no.

Reggie need a 2nd round pick.. and he got a hight 2nd round. Whats the issue again? Oh wahhh he didnt get a 4th.. whah ..

SnBG

Dakota Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
NSRaider Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
This second round pick better be a good one…..

The Miami Dolphins bragged about how little they gave up moving up from No. 12 to No. 3 in a trade with the Raiders. The Raiders also got pick No. 42 in the trade.

And it was surprisingly easy to get up that high. The Dolphins only needed to surrender their 12th and 42nd overall picks; comparable trades in the past have taken two first-rounders to consummate.

Ireland said he first approached Oakland about moving up before the draft began. After the Raiders had been on the clock for a few minutes, he called and made his first offer. Too low, the Raiders said. A minute later, the Raiders called back and asked for the Dolphins’ first-rounder and first second-rounder.

Ireland agreed, and they had a deal – much to the surprise of many in the Dolphins’ war room.

“I feel like everybody in the room was shocked,” Ross said.

Elated might be a better way to put it.

Reggie is being played.
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Oh man, do we have to debate with more Reggie haters. Can’t you whiners just grow up. Your like petulant,spoiled little brats. If you don’t get your way you want to go and cry to your mama’s.Please,just stop.

Relentless

The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
NSRaider Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
This second round pick better be a good one…..

The Miami Dolphins bragged about how little they gave up moving up from No. 12 to No. 3 in a trade with the Raiders. The Raiders also got pick No. 42 in the trade.

And it was surprisingly easy to get up that high. The Dolphins only needed to surrender their 12th and 42nd overall picks; comparable trades in the past have taken two first-rounders to consummate.

Ireland said he first approached Oakland about moving up before the draft began. After the Raiders had been on the clock for a few minutes, he called and made his first offer. Too low, the Raiders said. A minute later, the Raiders called back and asked for the Dolphins’ first-rounder and first second-rounder.

Ireland agreed, and they had a deal – much to the surprise of many in the Dolphins’ war room.

“I feel like everybody in the room was shocked,” Ross said.

Elated might be a better way to put it.

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Yeah Chubby Checker better nail this 2nd rounder. He got bent over by another GM.
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So why are there idiots here still defending RM? This “rebuilding” process is gonna take 3x’s as long if at all with RM under the helm.

realtruraider

However if that report is true Reggie does have alot to learn, he should of countered with a higher offer and went from there, not sure why he waited so long to get back to them if they started talking right before draft started.

Hopefully all this talk makes him realize he could of got more and should of atleast asked for more even if he couldn’t get it

SnBG

Relentless Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
NSRaider Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
This second round pick better be a good one…..
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Or what, your going to go and cry to your mama.

aig-raiders

Good GMs in this league dont go around gloating about their trades. You idiots are so damn annoying with oh look what Ireland said. Up until yesterday, i doubt any of you thought Ireland was any great GM considering how much money he spent this off season trying to buy a team. It’s not his first year as GM. He’s been with Mia since 2005 so ask yourself why does he have to buy talent? He did a great job convincing the owner that they got a steal. Do you see Belichek mouthing off how awesome he ripped off Al Davis for Seymour or any other of his latest victims?

chuck

The little hope I have left for Reggie is fading when his biggest fan Raiderduck only can say at least we didn’t draft honey badger.

zopi

The only thing that is no doubt is the stupidity of BigMcZar, the Patriots got a boatload of picks from the Vikings. That’s master trader Bellychukup to you, there’s no comparison to an overmatched rube. Miami says that got their trade at “half the price.”

In fact, the Dolphins picked the pass rusher that could have probably provided a bigger impact to the Raiders than the corner.

Monte Poole, is a third right when he says that BigMcZar is staking his reputation on DJ because there’s still Junior and Matty Flinnstone to go around.

ENGLANDRAIDER

Plenty of trolls posting right now.

http://www.raiders.com Silverandblack666

“RaiderRockstar Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Top 5 DE’s

Damontre Moore
Margus Hunt
Tank Carradine
Alex Okafor
Brandon Jenkins

Top 5 DT’s”

Thanks RR I hope its DE or a DT!

http://www.raiders.com Silverandblack666

“ouch, 666 was right, his life’s purpose has been fulfilled”

Come on man I make predictions all the time just like you guys and some times I am wrong and sometimes I am right.

I was wrong about Palmer

RaiderRockstar

new post

Dakota

I had high hopes for Reggie.

My hope is fading quickly.

But I am not giving up on him yet…..if we win fewer than 7 games and DA is retained, and we sit on cap space and continue signing injured players and castoffs even with the cap space, then it will be time to end the rookie GM experiment.

Even the Little Dutch Boy will figure that out.

irjonny

Screw it. I want Te’o in Silver and Black. it will be Jordan vs Te’o comparisons in the next years. The guy is just solid. Even the Bama game all he did was make some mistakes, but shed blocks every play, running sideline to sideline.

my pick? Manti Te’o (if he falls to us)

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

Raiders came within two minutes of taking Hayden at No. 3

Posted by Mike Florio on April 26, 2013, 7:43 AM EDT

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How badly did the Raiders want cornerback D.J. Hayden? Badly enough to take him with the third overall selection, if they weren’t able to trade down.

According to Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports, the call from the Dolphins regarding a possible trade came with two minutes left in the 10-minute window.

And if the call hadn’t come, which resulted in the Dolphins moving from No. 12 to get defensive end Dion Jordan, the player who nearly died last year after a fairly routine collision in practice would have been taken by the Raiders at No. 3.

Oakland had no concern about someone else taking Hayden before No. 12, but with strong indications emerging on Thursday that the Raiders wanted Hayden, the risk arose that someone else would trade up and leapfrog Oakland.

In the end, it didn’t happen. And the Raiders move forward with a player who can help keep Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, and Alex Smith from scorching the Oakland secondary.

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like i said.. i still dont see the issue. Raiders need a 2nd round pick and they got a high one

McFaddens_Sneakers

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Dolphins could say what they want.. they are obviously not a very confident bunch.

Raiders needed a 2nd round pick.. and they got it back. THey could have said no.. then you would have no 2nd round pick.

Reggie could have refused the trade and said give me more.. and Dolphins could have said no.

Reggie need a 2nd round pick.. and he got a hight 2nd round. Whats the issue again? Oh wahhh he didnt get a 4th.. whah ..
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Agree with you bro, we got a second rd pick, and miami are aholes for bragging like this.

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/raiders-came-within-two-minutes-of-taking-hayden-at-no-3/

RaiderRetribution

I’m thankful the Raiders have a 2nd round raft pick this year, with all the talent still available.

Would not mind us dropping back again as long as we stay in the 2nd round.

BTW- D.J. hayden’s jersey number is 25; he has his jersey number before all the FA (except Flynn) got their jersey numbers.

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

Once Joeckel was off the board.. most of the Trades went away

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

Asher Mathews ‏@AsherMathews 45m

Oakland #Raiders’ DJ Hayen is “the most physically gifted corner” per respected talent evaluator @GregCosell http://www.tfdssports.com/2013-articles/april/oakland-raiders-dj-hayen-is-the-most-physically-gifted-corner-per-respected-talent-evaluator-greg-cosell.html … @TFDS

Relentless

SnBG Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Relentless Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
NSRaider Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
This second round pick better be a good one…..
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Or what, your going to go and cry to your mama.
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I would cry to my mama. She’s a Squealers fan. They’ve had success. Hopefully Rapistburger doesn’t eat Hayden alive.

RaiderRetribution

only 24 picks between 42 & 66; would have been 63 players gone before our next draft pick;

from there 34 picks until #100; who will be a great Raider!

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

The Oakland Raiders took former Houston cornerback last night, using the No 12 overall selection to get him.

According to respected evaluator Greg Cosell, of NFL Films, that was a good move.

“I would make the argument that Hayden is the most physically gifted corner prospect in this draft class, with his impressive combination of sudden movement, change of direction, ability to effectively play both press man and off coverage zone, competitive and challenging playing personality and, as an added dimension, his willingness to support in the run game aggressively,” Cosell said of Hayden in this must read article about cornerbacks in the NFL (finish this piece, first, then go back and read his).

In the piece referenced above, Cosell delves into what attributes make a good cornerback in the NFL these days. He also talks about the importance of having a cornerback that can play in man to man coverage.

The basic thrust of his arguments are that a huge cornerback isn’t necessarily the most desirable trait. While that type of cornerback is better against some types of receivers, the most important attributes are “quick and light feet, smooth and fluid change of direction, the ability to plant and drive with burst from off coverage position, and the capability to turn and run with both short area acceleration and functional long speed to defend vertical routes.”

He postulates that most cornerbacks with those traits are shorter and sleeker instead of the larger cornerbacks that many would see as the prototypical size.

Cosell is my favorite evaluator because he takes the time to explain his reasoning and because he isn’t caught into the group think to which so many succumb. He doesn’t rely on organizational sources to determine his opinion as do so many draft evaluators. Instead, he watches lots of game tape and makes his own determinations.

That game tape review convinced him that Hayden deserved to be the top cornerback taken in the 2013 draft. In fact, in his first-round mock draft Cosell picked Hayden to be selected at No. 12 overall, although he had Hayden being selected by the Miami Dolphins, who originally possessed that selection.

In his reasoning, Cosell said about Hayden, “No corner has a more fluid and compact backpedal, with balance, body control and the quickest feet of any prospect in the draft.”

Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie agreed, telling the Bay Area media yesterday, “Point blank, he can cover. He can find the football so he does what we’re looking for in a cornerback – he’s a good cover corner who can get his hands on the football.”

Raiders fans hope that McKenzie – and Cosell, too – know what they’re talking about. If they are correct in the evaluation of Hayden, the Raiders have begun the process of building a team that can finally compete.

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

So thats Mike Mayock, Todd McShay, and the great GREG COSELL all who watch film.. say HAYDEN IS A GREAT PICK

throw in Chris Carter too

Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

zopi Says:
Monte Poole, is a third right when he says that BigMcZar is staking his reputation on DJ because there’s still Junior and Matty Flinnstone to go around.
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The last time Monte Poole was a third right was when he said two things.

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

n the sense that every draft pick is an unknown, every player’s value is directly tied to their draft slot until they step onto the field for the first time as professional players. Draft picks will turn into players, and the value they have needs to be maximized when trading.

Failure to get fair value can negatively impact a team over time.

Should the Oakland Raiders have gotten more for the third overall pick? Did the Raiders maximize the value of their resource? Those are the questions that you have to ask, considering the Raiders moved down nine spots in the first round and only received one second-round pick in return.

There are several ways to evaluate a draft trade, and no one way is superior to another. The draft is a market, and values rise and fall each year. The perceived quality of the draft usually determines if the market is up or down in any given year.

The market was very clearly down in 2013, with a lack of elite talent at the top of the draft. There wasn’t a top quarterback, a star wide receiver or even consensus top pass-rusher. If there had been an elite player available, it would have been unlikely that the Raiders were willing to move down at all. Star players can be franchise-altering, and the Raiders probably wish that kind of player was available.

Considering the market was down, it’s tough to expect the Raiders to get full value for the third pick. Despite what you may read online, teams probably only had about 15 players with first-round grades and most of them were bunched together. There was a reason so many offensive linemen went off the board and with high picks in the first round.

The Raiders certainly wanted to trade down, and that was no secret. In fact, just about every team wanted to move down, and a lack of teams wanted to trade up if you believe all the pre-draft reports. This is simple supply-and-demand economics; there was ample supply of teams wanting to move down and very little demand, and that drove down prices.

Reggie McKenzie did the smart thing and took what was probably his only offer to move down. The Raiders had ample time to shop the pick before the draft, so you know that McKenzie probably called every team to see if they wanted to trade up. When both the top tackles went off the board with the first two picks, most of McKenzie’s options may have dried up.

The Raiders needed to recoup the second-round pick they traded for Carson Palmer more than they needed the value difference between the No. 3 pick and the No. 12 pick (assuming there is a difference in this class). If the Raiders were already set on taking D.J. Hayden, they basically received a second-round pick for free.

There are other ways to assess the value of a draft trade, which isn’t based on a trade-value chart developed 30 years ago before free agency and the rookie wage scale. Chase Stuart of footballperspective.com developed a value chart based on pro-football-reference.com’s approximate value, or AV, statistic through the first five years of a player’s …………

by Raider writer Chris hansen

ENGLANDRAIDER

lol

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

Asher Mathews ‏@AsherMathews 5h

Cosell: Hayden is the most physically gifted CB prospect in this draft, w/his impressive combo of sudden movement, change of direction…

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

Asher Mathews ‏@AsherMathews 5h

My favorite draft evaluator @gregcosell had DJ Hayden as his top CB and projected him going #12 – to Miami: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-mock-draft-picks-1-16-142026171–nfl.html …

zopi

Gregg Cosell has a great resemblance to his uncle. The “film watcher” is now on in every single national talk show, out of obscurity. But, even he has says he deals primarily on physical ability. BigMcZar said it as well, it all depends in the “mentality.”

SnBG

Zopi Says:
April 26th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
The only thing that is no doubt is the stupidity of BigMcZar, the Patriots got a boatload of picks from the Vikings. That’s master trader Bellychukup to you, there’s no comparison to an overmatched rube. Miami says that got their trade at “half the price.”
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What great picks did the Pats get. The only reason Bill did that is because he can’t hit on a good CB. He would kill to get Hayden. He got that from a team that wasn’t around at 3. Bill should have stayed in the first and get that CB he can’t seem to find. Wow a 3rd, 4th and 7th. He traded his first for a 2nd.

RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

Mayock, McShay, Cosell, Chris Carter all agree.

SnBG

228, great post. You’re making too much sense

Steve Corkran