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Raiders trade down for the second time

By Steve Corkran
Saturday, April 27th, 2013 at 9:19 am in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders traded their fourth-round pick (No. 100) overall for a later fourth-round pick (No. 112) and one of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ sixth-round picks (No. 181).
This marks the second time Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie has traded down in this year’s draft. Earlier, he traded the No. 3 pick to the Miami Dolphins for the Nos. 12 and 42 picks.
The Raiders used those picks on cornerback D.J. Hayden and offensive tackle Menelik Watson in the first and second rounds, respectively.
The Raiders now have four picks in the sixth round today and one in the seventh. They’re still without a fifth-rounder.

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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Davis The Realist Dirty Raccoon

    Hmm, he was derailed by instability ar H Coach, and poor O-Line play. Sounds familiar.

  • Whoknows

    Maybe…

    Those were his words, not mine.

    He said he is drafting best player available. You know he did.

    ***********
    Ive heard him and DA say a lot

  • devilr8er

    Wilson>Barkley, Jaws likes Wilson

  • rediaR

    I don’t want to trade Pryor. I’d rather have him play WR.

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    POST-208,ESPN SAID PHILY THOUGHT THE RAIDERS WERE TARGETING BARKLEY.

  • PilagingJustForFun

    I ain’t got no worries!

  • Pirate Arrrggghhhh

    Hopefully Reggie will learn a lesson after botching this 4th rd so badly, getting schooled by pro GMs like the Eagles and Giants. We’re stuck with this clown as GM on scholarship for four more years, he’s got to do better.

  • kuhlest

    @ #207 lmao!!! but TRUE

  • aig-raiders

    Here is the one thing I remember reading about Wilson. His comp % goes up when he’s facing pressure. Then I read that he will stay in to make the throw even when he’s about to get blasted. Gotta love that in the kid.

  • http://goducks.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1632251/tyler-wilson

    STRENGTHS: Despite less than ideal height, possesses a solidly built frame and may be the toughest quarterback prospect in the 2013 draft. Willing to stare down the barrel and deliver a strike, providing a physical example of the non-vocal, on-field leadership coaches value at the position. Doesn’t own a true howitzer but possesses plenty of arm strength to make every NFL throw. Can fire the deep-out from the opposite hash and is especially impressive with his velocity on intermediate in-breaking routes. Throws a tight spiral with good accuracy when he sets his feet. Shows good understanding of the offense and will check down to secondary targets when his first receiver is blanketed.
    Isn’t going to remind anyone of Robert Griffin III for his elusiveness but has the mobility to slip past rushers in the pocket and buy extra time. Showed better accuracy rolling to either direction than expected when asked to do this in Mobile… Didn’t appear to have any issues at the Senior Bowl in dropping back from center, which again, was a bit of a surprise considering that he wasn’t often asked to do so with the Razorbacks.

    WEAKNESSES: He’s quite confident in his ability to fit passes through tight windows, and will throw with just his arm rather than stepping into passes. This confidence, when combined with a slightly elongated delivery, results in an occasional terrible decision that can result in an easy interception. This pattern, unfortunately, also was shown in Mobile.

    Saw his interceptions more than double from his first season to his second, leading to some concerns that he was simply trying to do too much and may have the mentality to continue with this destructive all-or-nothing pattern in the NFL. Lacks the athleticism to consistently escape the pocket or to be a threat to run with the ball. Enjoyed his greatest success under Bobby Petrino, whose QB-friendly attack has been known to inflate statistics. Has been knocked out games each of the past two seasons with head injuries and has only started 24 games in his career.

    COMPARES TO: Phillip Rivers, QB, San Diego Chargers — While Wilson possesses a more traditional delivery than Rivers, the grand result is often the same. Each quarterback has the talent to make the dazzling throw but will occassionally get too greedy and throw the ball up for grabs. Wilson, while tough as nails, also isn’t as big as the 6-5, 228 pound Rivers and has already shown a troubling history of injury despite starting just two seasons.

    –Rob Rang

  • shutdown

    Jaws says Wilson is NFL ready and with pro coaching will grow by leaps and bounds. OF course, Jaws is a 3/4 cup full guy anyway. Can see why he had success at qb–positive.

  • PilagingJustForFun

    Gruden likes Wilson!!

  • alex7

    GG

    Pryor started a game.

    He threw for 40 yards after 3 quarters.

    He was rated as a terrible QB coming out of college. Less than 50% completions vs Miami, USC, Penn State, and Wisconsin (real teams). He looked terrible in practices. He got his fair shake.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    rediaR Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Flynn is having Wilson flashbacks
    **********************

    I do not think Wilson is Wilson LOL.

  • ian85

    Well I wanted Barrett jones and he went right after us that sucks owell I have been saying for months now that I hope we take Tyler Wilson he is such a beast We just got a stud QB in the 4th round what a fcking steal time for Pryor to pack his sh!t and GTFO Wilson will be our future franchise QB

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    rediaR Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:02 am
    I don’t want to trade Pryor. I’d rather have him play WR.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I kind of suspect that’s what Al wanted too.

  • JONTRAIN

    Canadianraider Says: April 27th, 2013 at 9:59 amhahaha…flynn has got to be sh1ttin himself…has to compete against another rookie qb named wilson….what are the odds lolol

    ######

    Lol. Our qb is gonna have some sort of complex. Great.

  • RockyMtnRaider

    Pryor wasn’t brought in by this regime…better start packing.

  • 8RaiderReign8

    DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:02 am
    POST-208,ESPN SAID PHILY THOUGHT THE RAIDERS WERE TARGETING BARKLEY.
    ___________________________

    Soooooooo ESPN is your source?

  • shutdown

    Shutdown Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 9:54 am
    Nope. I don’t believe he wanted Barkley at all.
    ********************
    Why not?
    Do you think the Eagles jumped two spots for the hell of it?
    __________________________________________

    Teams jump because of fear another team will take the guy and it’s common knowledge that a GM either keeps his lips sealed about who he might take to build that fear in others in order to get a beneficial trade for more picks or a draft team gets orders from a GM to leak “we’re leaning this way” so a team under them will start to fear. Reg is building a rep for future drafts, too.

    Then, you have to understand it might simply be a case of the Eagles not willing to take a chance and they felt they had picks to give that wouldn’t matter much.

    Steve’s been saying all along Wilson would be a great pick. Maybe he had a head’s up somehow, a clue, to take a close look at him because he heard rumors around headquarters.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    alex7 Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:04 am
    GG

    Pryor started a game.

    He threw for 40 yards after 3 quarters.

    He was rated as a terrible QB coming out of college. Less than 50% completions vs Miami, USC, Penn State, and Wisconsin (real teams). He looked terrible in practices. He got his fair shake.
    *****************************
    Everything you are saying is true. But he also has been working hard and with his measurables (fast as Vick)strong as Newton and arm strength like Russell you have to give him a chance to develop. I am ok with keeping him and seeing what he can do in the preseason.

    Wilson will need some time to develop, I think this could become a Farve/Rogers like thing going forward with Flynn as Flynn has great footwork etc… Flynn would be a great guy to watch for Wilson. Mabye become starter in a couple of years.

  • Demon Raider

    Pirate Arrrggghhhh Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am
    Hopefully Reggie will learn a lesson after botching this 4th rd so badly, getting schooled by pro GMs like the Eagles and Giants. We’re stuck with this clown as GM on scholarship for four more years, he’s got to do better.
    ————–
    You’re an idiot

  • rediaR

    Damn skins

  • ian85

    The Pryor brigade is sh!tting there pants right now Reggie clearly doesn’t think TP is the answer and has no faith in him so excited about Wilson this was a great pick can’t wait till Wilson gets to Oakland and gets to showcase his talent

  • RockyMtnRaider

    Bring back Mark Wilson and really screw with Flynn’s head.

  • Pirate Arrrggghhhh

    Watch Wilson on the Gruden camp. Gruden has a hard time not laughing in Wilson’s face. It was embarrassing.

  • shutdown

    Just to add something. Remember when Steve said it was too bad Reg got rid of all of Al’s draft scouts, even though they were a really knowledgeable group, that it was not their fault whom Al selected?

    I’m sure he’s right; they were a top-notch group, but when asked why he let them go, Reg responded that he simply felt more comfortable with his own guys. What that means is no different than what it means in any business when a new head guy comes in. He can find out how competent the old team is by asking around, but until he works with them for a long time, he can’t know their personal proclivities nor can he instantely count on their loyalties. That’s just human nature.

    He wanted his own guys because he felt he could trust them not to leak anything unless he wanted those leaks to occur. With someone else’s guys, you can’t count on that, especially if they feel they might not last with you and are really courting others.

    Bottom line–I believe there were no leaks in this draft room nor from the scouts from anyone…unless Reggie wanted them leaked or unless he was playing poker the way it should be played.

    They didn’t really ever want Barkley. He might have been on their list in a pinch, but Wilson was their guy all along.

  • Demon Raider

    Skins take Thomas

  • 8RaiderReign8

    Ian85 Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:11 am
    The Pryor brigade is sh!tting there pants right now Reggie clearly doesn’t think TP is the answer and has no faith in him so excited about Wilson this was a great pick can’t wait till Wilson gets to Oakland and gets to showcase his talent
    _____________________________

    I admit I wanted to see what Pryor could do, but I don’t worry about Reggie building solid competition at the QB position. We also are paying very little for that position for a looooong time to come.

  • kuhlest

    who knows…..seems a lil gannonesque

  • Demon Raider

    Pirate Arrrggghhhh Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am
    Watch Wilson on the Gruden camp. Gruden has a hard time not laughing in Wilson’s face. It was embarrassing.
    ————–
    You’re an embarrassment

  • Whoknows

    Shutdown Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:08 am
    Shutdown Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 9:54 am
    Nope. I don’t believe he wanted Barkley at all.
    ********************
    Why not?
    Do you think the Eagles jumped two spots for the hell of it?
    __________________________________________

    Teams jump because of fear another team will take the guy and it’s common knowledge that a GM either keeps his lips sealed about who he might take to build that fear in others in order to get a beneficial trade for more picks or a draft team gets orders from a GM to leak “we’re leaning this way” so a team under them will start to fear. Reg is building a rep for future drafts, too.

    Then, you have to understand it might simply be a case of the Eagles not willing to take a chance and they felt they had picks to give that wouldn’t matter much.

    Steve’s been saying all along Wilson would be a great pick. Maybe he had a head’s up somehow, a clue, to take a close look at him because he heard rumors around headquarters.
    *******************************
    1st you say that Reggies lips were sealed about Barkley
    But then you say there were rumors about Wilson. LOL

  • Demon Raider

    Think we can deal two 6ths to move into the 5th?

  • Whoknows

    Bottom line–I believe there were no leaks in this draft room nor from the scouts from anyone…unless Reggie wanted them leaked or unless he was playing poker the way it should be played.
    ***********************
    How do you explain the Hayden leak?

  • Pirate Arrrggghhhh

    On the positive side, Reggie has only three more drafts to botch before he gets fired.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    shutdown Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Just to add something. Remember when Steve said it was too bad Reg got rid of all of Al’s draft scouts, even though they were a really knowledgeable group, that it was not their fault whom Al selected?

    I’m sure he’s right; they were a top-notch group, but when asked why he let them go, Reg responded that he simply felt more comfortable with his own guys. What that means is no different than what it means in any business when a new head guy comes in. He can find out how competent the old team is by asking around, but until he works with them for a long time, he can’t know their personal proclivities nor can he instantely count on their loyalties. That’s just human nature.

    He wanted his own guys because he felt he could trust them not to leak anything unless he wanted those leaks to occur. With someone else’s guys, you can’t count on that, especially if they feel they might not last with you and are really courting others.

    Bottom line–I believe there were no leaks in this draft room nor from the scouts from anyone…unless Reggie wanted them leaked or unless he was playing poker the way it should be played.

    They didn’t really ever want Barkley. He might have been on their list in a pinch, but Wilson was their guy all along.

    ****************************
    You seriously need to watch trouble with the curve. I mean sometimes you need to start over and build for the long term. At the point you need your dauguter to come out and tell you what is going on, it may be time to hang it up. Many of these guys were in their 60′s and 70′s and it is important to be able to take advantage of technology. The Raiders were in a rut and needed a shaking.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Whoknows Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:19 am
    Bottom line–I believe there were no leaks in this draft room nor from the scouts from anyone…unless Reggie wanted them leaked or unless he was playing poker the way it should be played.
    ***********************
    How do you explain the Hayden leak?
    ********************************
    The Hayden leak might of cost us a thrid round pick. This was probably one reason Reggie brought in his own guys. It would be interesting to buy a beer for Jason LaCanafora off record and find out how that happened.

  • redshirt

    Packers got 2 RBs in this draft?

  • oldschoolraider

    Demon Raider Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Pirate Arrrggghhhh Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am
    Hopefully Reggie will learn a lesson after botching this 4th rd so badly, getting schooled by pro GMs like the Eagles and Giants. We’re stuck with this clown as GM on scholarship for four more years, he’s got to do better.
    ————–
    You’re an idiot
    ********************************
    Motion seconded
    All in favor that Pirate is an idiot say Arrggghhhh.

  • ohioraider

    Pirate Arrrggghhhh Says:
    April 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Watch Wilson on the Gruden camp. Gruden has a hard time not laughing in Wilson’s face. It was embarrassing.
    ——————————-
    What’s your problem, Blackbeard?

  • Raidernationdave

    That’s the way we do! Whut up beyotches!