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Rookie CB Hayden hospitalized with abdominal injury — updated

Rookie cornerback D.J. Hayden is in a local hospital as a result of an abdominal issue, Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Tuesday.
Hayden is expected to miss the remainder of the Raiders offseason workouts and practices, but he should be ready to go again when training camp begins in late July.
A Raiders spokesman said Hayden was admitted to the hospital “late last week” and that he underwent a procedure to clear out scar tissue in his abdomen.
Allen said he isn’t sure whether there’s any correlation between Hayden’s current situation and the ruptured vein Hayden suffered last November during a practice at the University of Houston.
“We can’t rule that out, obviously, but right now I don’t know exactly what the correlation is to it,” Allen said. “But we don’t anticipate it being an issue.”
Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times said via Tweet that Hayden’s doctor in Houston is of the understanding that “this is not related to (the) heart issue” Hayden suffered in November.
Hayden underwent surgery to repair the ruptured vena cava, which supplies blood to the heart from the lower body. He was cleared by doctors to resume football activities last month after surviving an injury that is 95 percent fatal, by some accounts.
Hayden participated in practice last week, when the Raiders began their organized team activities. Allen said Hayden’s symptoms surfaced last Tuesday.
The Raiders selected Hayden with the 12th pick of the 2013 NFL draft. They are counting upon Hayden to crack the starting lineup at some point.
During recent interviews, Hayden said he felt good and that the only time he thinks about the injury he suffered in November is when he gets asked about it.
Allen said Hayden’s absence, combined with a calf injury to cornerback Tracy Porter, leaves the Raiders thin at cornerback and makes it all the more difficult for Hayden to succeed from the outset.
“It’s obviously not a good thing, from a football standpoint,” Allen said. “As a rookie, you need all the reps you can get and all the work you can get.”

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  • logic82

    I predicted this weeks ago. I don’t care what his so called doctors said. There is no way in hell his body has healed up and strengthened up enough to play football. Maybe tiddly winks or even golf. But not football. His body is still in a weakened state. Think of how long it took Simms to come back after spleen surgery. He needs to take the entire year off. Let him heal slow an properly. Let Woodson mentor him as he heals. It’s not about him playing football at this point. It’s about him not dying out on the field. And if he comes back for training camp he is going to be injured, somehow some way again. It’s guaranteed.

  • The_Judge37

    347.lefty12 Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    The rebuild guys knees all the time.The reattach arm and shoulder muscles.Yet you guys are proclaiming the sky is falling because they removed some scar tissue.WOW.
    —–

    If they did anyone of those procedures to our 1st round draft pick, I’d be just as worried.

  • Gdog

    The_Judge37 Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    336.Just Fire Baby Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    I know they said the new injury was believed to be unrelated, but if it is at all related, how is this kid going to get cleared to play this year?
    ——

    I don’t think there’s any doubt this was related. I dont’ think it has to do with the heart problem itself, but it’s related to the surgery. Either way, not good.

    >>>

    Agreed. I think we could have gotten him with our second pick… but oh well. What is done is done.

  • nycraider

    SnBG Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    Nycraider Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    SnBG Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    For some here, Haydens issue is just another excuse to bash Reg and DA. For others, there is real concern about his health and a wait and see attitude about his health issue. Like post 294
    —————————————
    people are killing Wilson about 2 passes today thrown for ints and we are supposed to ignore Hayden going into the hospital? Was it an in patient or out patient procedure?
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    Like I said, some here are using Haydens issue to couch their hate for Reg and DA. Not all, not many, just a few. You know who you are. You queens
    ———————————
    probably many who may be responding to those who hold Al accountable for not knowing Jamarcus would have gained 100lbs after getting a big contract and falling in love with cough syrup.
    Also Al should have know DHB would never be able to learn how to catch. Al also should have known, Rolando would get slower after 2 years being in the NFL and get arrested.
    But no way should Reggie be held accountable for drafting a player who last time on the football field he almost died? Bottom line, everytime Hayden has an injury between the waist and neck, reggies judgement will be called into question. Just like every time DHB dropped a pass, jamarcus got fatter and rolando got slower. Al got hammered
    in the end , all Raider fans want success.
    However, today was a tough day. Flynn was throwing ducks and is it true that Nicks is starting on the OL? then the Hayden news..ughh

  • aig-raiders

    When they say unrelated, they must be referring to the heart/vein issue. I’m sure it’s all PR and lawyer language they are trying to work with here to prevent the “I told you so”.

  • Marks hair

    338.. exactly.. haydens a super soldier.. healing factor.. like wolverine. the kids heart healed in a few days.. enough to walk anyway.. scar tissue wont be a big deal long term.

  • dr_robert

    “Let’s start a foxworthy-esque list for the Pryor Brigade.

    U know ur part of the Pryor Brigade if:”

    1) You hate the way Tebow throws but you defend Pryor’s throwing motion! (Silver6)

    2) You declare that bad throws in practice don’t matter, because he only throws well in games. (Duck)

    3) You have an uncle that kinda talks like missdick. (Dr robert)

    4) Ur top three qualifications for a qb are speed, escapability, and speed. (Dr robert)

    5) U think its possible for a qb to go to Ohio State and spend two years in the nfl but to have never been coached. (Dr robert)

    6) U think this list is racist and ur wittle feelings are hurt. (Dr robert)

    7) U thought Pryor wasn’t very good until Campbell left and then u loved him (missdick division) (Dr robert)

  • dr_robert

    “Let’s start a foxworthy-esque list for the Pryor Brigade.

    U know ur part of the Pryor Brigade if:”

    1) You hate the way Tebow throws but you defend Pryor’s throwing motion! (Silver6)

    2) You declare that bad throws in practice don’t matter, because he only throws well in games. (Duck)

    3) You have an uncle that kinda talks like missdick. (Dr robert)

    4) Ur top three qualifications for a qb are speed, escapability, and speed. (Dr robert)

    5) U think its possible for a qb to go to Ohio State and spend two years in the nfl but to have never been coached. (Dr robert)

    6) U think this list is racist and ur wittle feelings are hurt. (Dr robert)

    7) U thought Pryor wasn’t very good until Campbell left and then u loved him (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    8) U really love his holiday chocolate salty balls (missdick division) (Dr robert)

  • SnBG

    probably many who may be responding to those who hold Al accountable for not knowing Jamarcus would have gained 100lbs after getting a big contract and falling in love with cough syrup.
    Also Al should have know DHB would never be able to learn how to catch. Al also should have known, Rolando would get slower after 2 years being in the NFL and get arrested.
    But no way should Reggie be held accountable for drafting a player who last time on the football field he almost died? Bottom line, everytime Hayden has an injury between the waist and neck, reggies judgement will be called into question. Just like every time DHB dropped a pass, jamarcus got fatter and rolando got slower. Al got hammered
    in the end , all Raider fans want success.
    However, today was a tough day. Flynn was throwing ducks and is it true that Nicks is starting on the OL? then the Hayden news..ughh
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    Little early to jump to all of those conclusions, don’t you think?

  • dr_robert

    “Let’s start a foxworthy-esque list for the Pryor Brigade.

    U know ur part of the Pryor Brigade if:”

    1) You hate the way Tebow throws but you defend Pryor’s throwing motion! (Silver6)

    2) You declare that bad throws in practice don’t matter, because he only throws well in games. (Duck)

    3) You have an uncle that kinda talks like missdick. (Dr robert)

    4) Ur top three qualifications for a qb are speed, escapability, and speed. (Dr robert)

    5) U think its possible for a qb to go to Ohio State and spend two years in the nfl but to have never been coached. (Dr robert)

    6) U think this list is racist and ur wittle feelings are hurt. (Dr robert)

    7) U thought Pryor wasn’t very good until Campbell left and then u loved him (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    8 ) U really love his holiday chocolate salty balls (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    9) Ur an idiot (Dr robert)

  • nycraider

    nBG Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    probably many who may be responding to those who hold Al accountable for not knowing Jamarcus would have gained 100lbs after getting a big contract and falling in love with cough syrup.
    Also Al should have know DHB would never be able to learn how to catch. Al also should have known, Rolando would get slower after 2 years being in the NFL and get arrested.
    But no way should Reggie be held accountable for drafting a player who last time on the football field he almost died? Bottom line, everytime Hayden has an injury between the waist and neck, reggies judgement will be called into question. Just like every time DHB dropped a pass, jamarcus got fatter and rolando got slower. Al got hammered
    in the end , all Raider fans want success.
    However, today was a tough day. Flynn was throwing ducks and is it true that Nicks is starting on the OL? then the Hayden news..ughh
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    Little early to jump to all of those conclusions, don’t you think?
    —————————-
    the only conclusion i’m jumping to is that every time Hayden gets an injury from the waist to neck, everyone will hold their breathe and possibly question why Reggie took the risk. I hope he’s ok.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    flynn has always had a weak arm…better that he gets dropped from the competition now than throwing pick sixs in the first game…

  • nycraider

    Snbg , if i said Pryor is better than Wilson would i be jumping to a conclusion?

  • dr_robert

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    flynn has always had a weak arm…better that he gets dropped from the competition now than throwing pick sixs in the first game…
    ********
    So stupid

  • dr_robert

    Dr_robert Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    “Let’s start a foxworthy-esque list for the Pryor Brigade.

    U know ur part of the Pryor Brigade if:”

    1) You hate the way Tebow throws but you defend Pryor’s throwing motion! (Silver6)

    2) You declare that bad throws in practice don’t matter, because he only throws well in games. (Duck)

    3) You have an uncle that kinda talks like missdick. (Dr robert)

    4) Ur top three qualifications for a qb are speed, escapability, and speed. (Dr robert)

    5) U think its possible for a qb to go to Ohio State and spend two years in the nfl but to have never been coached. (Dr robert)

    6) U think this list is racist and ur wittle feelings are hurt. (Dr robert)

    7) U thought Pryor wasn’t very good until Campbell left and then u loved him (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    8 ) U really love his holiday chocolate salty balls (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    9) Ur an idiot (Dr robert)

    10) U already hate Flynn, Wilson, and McGloin. (Dr robert)

  • RaiderRockstar

    did silver & raider o shake hands yet?

    we need that beef squashed before the PM crew starts in with politics & religion

  • dr_robert

    Let’s start a foxworthy-esque list for the Pryor Brigade.

    U know ur part of the Pryor Brigade if:

    1) You hate the way Tebow throws but you defend Pryor’s throwing motion! (Silver6)

    2) You declare that bad throws in practice don’t matter, because he only throws well in games. (Duck)

    3) You have an uncle that kinda talks like missdick. (Dr robert)

    4) Ur top three qualifications for a qb are speed, escapability, and speed. (Dr robert)

    5) U think its possible for a qb to go to Ohio State and spend two years in the nfl but to have never been coached. (Dr robert)

    6) U think this list is racist and ur wittle feelings are hurt. (Dr robert)

    7) U thought Pryor wasn’t very good until Campbell left and then u loved him (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    8 ) U really love his holiday chocolate salty balls (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    9) Ur an idiot (Dr robert)

    10) U already hate Flynn, Wilson, and McGloin. (Dr robert)

    11) U think Pryor is from another universe (missdick division) (Dr robert)

  • manassamauler

    START WILSON NOW!.

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    flynn has always had a weak arm…better that he gets dropped from the competition now than throwing pick sixs in the first game…

    ==========

    I was just glad to see Nix is getting looks over Grandpa Bergstrom. At least it shows that the scholarship program is taking a hit. Hopefully, Shreg won’t be clinging to Flynn & will let Denise start Pryor or Wilson who actually have some skills to build off of. Plus, hopefully, this gang realizes we should be keeping Chekwa on the squad especially if Hayden is constantly on the trainer’s table.

  • The_Judge37

    367. Come now, this is DAV’s mock draft all over again.

  • manassamauler

    Get well haden

  • Al_is_theraiders

    going with noodle arm flynn is stupider…

  • RaiderRockstar

    @NYC

    Bcz is a cool blogger. what is your beef with him?

    I ask him for cap explanations and opinions all the time. He’s usually the go-to guy.

    He knows his stuff. He didn’t ask to be called a senior capologist, we just gave him that title. He’s earned it.

    what are you known for, besides being hateful?

    what are you contributing to the blog? I don’t see many people asking for your advice or opinions.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Come now, this is DAV’s mock draft all over again.

    ***

    gosh, that was a LONG day (lol)

    time to leave work. later gents

    Go Heat!!

  • dr_robert

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    going with noodle arm flynn is stupider…
    *******
    U mean the guy that set the all time packer record?

    The guy that threw 6 Tds in one game?

    The guy they drafted?

    Replace him with the fast guy?

    Ok.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    civilian james…that is exactly the way things should go…now will shrek keep tge team down? im sure he will find a way…

  • dr_robert

    Traded for. Not drafted.

  • manassamauler

    Guys on here calling Flynn noodle arm when u can’t even lift up ur little pecker to piss

  • Al_is_theraiders

    1 freaking game? against the only secondary worse than last years bartell, ross, adams? lol…wake the f up..,

  • SnBG

    Nycraider Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    Snbg , if i said Pryor is better than Wilson would i be jumping to a conclusion?
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    I’ll bite,,,,,,,as I was talking about today and what was said by the tweets I can say today Pryor was better than Flynn and Wilson. Yes,btw, that’s in print if you need to go and look it up. With Hayden, none of knows what the issue really is. We are all coming to some conclusions. Some seem a little more logical than others and some are very illogical and reactionary.

  • nycraider

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    @NYC

    Bcz is a cool blogger. what is your beef with him?

    I ask him for cap explanations and opinions all the time. He’s usually the go-to guy.

    He knows his stuff. He didn’t ask to be called a senior capologist, we just gave him that title. He’s earned it.

    what are you known for, besides being hateful?

    what are you contributing to the blog? I don’t see many people asking for your advice or opinions.
    ——————
    being hateful? bc he copies a post of mine then i respond to a post of his that exposes him for being wrong? i dont know who you are, maybe a crossposter..hmm

  • manassamauler

    Pryor is worst QB on roster.. if throwing matters

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Raider E Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    Mistic,

    Why don’t you ever include other races and ethnicities in your racist diatribe?

    All minorities have encountered racism in America. Even white/irish people were brought to America as indentured servants.
    ================

    not sure what you mean, i have not posted any “racist diatribe”

    sb666 and dr slob have though

  • Marks hair

    if flynn doesn’t play well he won’t be starting..no biggie.. I just hope someone steps up and owns the job..

  • 0ak r8rs

    Logic82 Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    I predicted this weeks ago. I don’t care what his so called doctors said. There is no way in hell his body has healed up and strengthened up enough to play football. Maybe tiddly winks or even golf. But not football. His body is still in a weakened state. Think of how long it took Simms to come back after spleen surgery. He needs to take the entire year off. Let him heal slow an properly. Let Woodson mentor him as he heals. It’s not about him playing football at this point. It’s about him not dying out on the field. And if he comes back for training camp he is going to be injured, somehow some way again. It’s guaranteed.

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Yea. And we aren’t the 49ers. We can’t afford to draft guys KNOWING they r gonna be on IR. We didn’t need this kid to be a stud and save this team his rookie year or anything, we r probably winning 4 to 6 games whether he plays or not. But this sniffs of season ending IR or PUP at best. Busted and/or dead before he sees a snap on the NFL at its worst. Regardless, there is no way this can be minimized or my concerns placated. This is a disaster. And I’m not bashing Reggie. Idc about that right now. And I know teams r built in the middle rounds, not at the top. But we can’t afford to miss any picks, and we have missed every number one pick for a decade now, when we have even had one.

    I just couldn’t think of worse news honestly. Watson blows out a hamstring? Houston accused of rape? Woodson meltsdown and rips the lockerroom?

    All of those sound ok at this point honestly.

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    “did silver & raider o shake hands yet?”

    I doubt that will ever happen this is twice nwo I had to tell him to stay out of my business.

    Whatever inside joke I had with another blogger is our business and or how we talk to each other is not his place…..he does not know if I am black, Mexican or Persian myself so he needs to shut his mouth and just stay away from me and all will be well.

  • DT42

    3.PlunkforHOF Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    Who was it that called this the other day?

    ————————-
    I called this during the draft. Its amazing that this guy can walk and have a functional life, let alone play at a high level. When healthy this kid is legit but I think people are underestimating his injury. I know a lot of people that work at a local hospital. When i mentioned the injury they all said the same thing…..”How is he not dead?”

    Most people with this injury don’t make it to the hospital in the first place and now we are supposed to be surprised that he may have complications?? C’mon! I hope he gets better and never has another injury. But I think that this was a bad pick. We could have gotten him way lower. Look how far Star fell and he was cleared for a much more minor heart concern.

    I don’t want another Leon Bender situation. The part that concerns me is that full contact hasn’t even started yet. How is gonna hold up trying to take on DMAC in the open field?

  • dr_robert

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    Raider E Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
    Mistic,

    Why don’t you ever include other races and ethnicities in your racist diatribe?

    All minorities have encountered racism in America. Even white/irish people were brought to America as indentured servants.
    ================

    not sure what you mean, i have not posted any “racist diatribe”

    sb666 and dr slob have though
    *******
    Liar.

  • nycraider

    SnBG Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
    Nycraider Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    Snbg , if i said Pryor is better than Wilson would i be jumping to a conclusion?
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    I’ll bite,,,,,,,as I was talking about today and what was said by the tweets I can say today Pryor was better than Flynn and Wilson. Yes,btw, that’s in print if you need to go and look it up. With Hayden, none of knows what the issue really is. We are all coming to some conclusions. Some seem a little more logical than others and some are very illogical and reactionary.
    ——————————————————-
    looks to me like they all had a bad day

    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/5/28/4373892/oakland-raiders-qbs-rough-outing-from-memorial-day-weekend-lag

  • Marks hair

    385.. crazy talk

  • http://goducks.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    I was just glad to see Nix is getting looks over Grandpa Bergstrom.

    =========================================

    “Grandpa”??? He’s 27 years old.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Like I said, all bark and no bite.
    So when are you going to meet me? Never?

  • Al_is_theraiders

    a 27 yo second year player who still cant break the lineup despite moving him to an easier position….

  • manassamauler

    Haden should rest. For 2 months.HEAL. not worth the risk. Fuk football breathing is what matters

  • dr_robert

    Let’s start a foxworthy-esque list for the Pryor Brigade.

    U know ur part of the Pryor Brigade if:

    1) You hate the way Tebow throws but you defend Pryor’s throwing motion! (Silver6)

    2) You declare that bad throws in practice don’t matter, because he only throws well in games. (Duck)

    3) You have an uncle that kinda talks like missdick. (Dr robert)

    4) Ur top three qualifications for a qb are speed, escapability, and speed. (Dr robert)

    5) U think its possible for a qb to go to Ohio State and spend two years in the nfl but to have never been coached. (Dr robert)

    6) U think this list is racist and ur wittle feelings are hurt. (Dr robert)

    7) U thought Pryor wasn’t very good until Campbell left and then u loved him (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    8 ) U really love his holiday chocolate salty balls (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    9) Ur an idiot (Dr robert)

    10) U already hate Flynn, Wilson, and McGloin. (Dr robert)

    11) U think Pryor is from another universe (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    12) U think Flynn is trade bait and Wilson is a career backup. (Dr robert)

    13) U just hate that white guy Dr robert and will do anything to lie about him.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Btw dumb ignorant racist monkey. It’s NOW.

  • SnBG

    Yea. And we aren’t the 49ers. We can’t afford to draft guys KNOWING they r gonna be on IR. We didn’t need this kid to be a stud and save this team his rookie year or anything, we r probably winning 4 to 6 games whether he plays or not. But this sniffs of season ending IR or PUP at best. Busted and/or dead before he sees a snap on the NFL at its worst. Regardless, there is no way this can be minimized or my concerns placated. This is a disaster. And I’m not bashing Reggie. Idc about that right now. And I know teams r built in the middle rounds, not at the top. But we can’t afford to miss any picks, and we have missed every number one pick for a decade now, when we have even had one.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    Looks likes a disaster. C’mon man, seriously. Train derails! News at 10!

  • The_Judge37

    394.manassamauler Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
    Haden should rest. For 2 months.HEAL. not worth the risk. Fuk football breathing is what matters
    ——-

    If he wasn’t our 1st round draft pick, i’d agree with that. But he is, so Football definetly matters.

  • dr_robert

    Let’s start a foxworthy-esque list for the Pryor Brigade.

    U know ur part of the Pryor Brigade if:

    1) You hate the way Tebow throws but you defend Pryor’s throwing motion! (Silver6)

    2) You declare that bad throws in practice don’t matter, because he only throws well in games. (Duck)

    3) You have an uncle that kinda talks like missdick. (Dr robert)

    4) Ur top three qualifications for a qb are speed, escapability, and speed. (Dr robert)

    5) U think its possible for a qb to go to Ohio State and spend two years in the nfl but to have never been coached. (Dr robert)

    6) U think this list is racist and ur wittle feelings are hurt. (Dr robert)

    7) U thought Pryor wasn’t very good until Campbell left and then u loved him (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    8 ) U really love his holiday chocolate salty balls (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    9) Ur an idiot (Dr robert)

    10) U already hate Flynn, Wilson, and McGloin. (Dr robert)

    11) U think Pryor is from another universe (missdick division) (Dr robert)

    12) U think Flynn is trade bait and Wilson is a career backup. (Dr robert)

    13) U just hate that white guy Dr robert and will do anything to lie about him. (Dr robert)

    14) U think its racist to think Pryor is a bad passer (Dr robert)

  • SnBG

    Nycraider Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
    SnBG Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
    Nycraider Says:
    May 28th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    Snbg , if i said Pryor is better than Wilson would i be jumping to a conclusion?
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    I’ll bite,,,,,,,as I was talking about today and what was said by the tweets I can say today Pryor was better than Flynn and Wilson. Yes,btw, that’s in print if you need to go and look it up. With Hayden, none of knows what the issue really is. We are all coming to some conclusions. Some seem a little more logical than others and some are very illogical and reactionary.
    ——————————————————-
    looks to me like they all had a bad day

    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/5/28/4373892/oakland-raiders-qbs-rough-outing-from-memorial-day-weekend-lag
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    Cool, I’ll look at it.