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Notes, quotes and observations from today’s OTA — updated

Coach Dennis Allen walked away from Monday’s practice much more pleased than he was at this point a week ago.
Allen bemoaned the lack of crispness last week and said he expected his players to bounce back the rest of the week and moving forward.
“The guys responded well,” Allen said. “The last two days of practice (last week) were a lot better, and that’s what you look for. They’re not going to have their A game out there every day out there. The key to me is, how do they respond when they get challenged? They did a nice job responding. They responded well today.”
Allen gets his players on the field Tuesday and Wednesday and then not again until the mandatory three-day mini camp next week.
He admitted that there’s still plenty of work to be done and that too many makeable plays aren’t being made. No big deal, though, that’s why teams practice in May and June.
“This part of what OTAs is for is to be able to go through these things, be able to see it live, and then we get a chance to go back into the meetings and make whatever corrections that we need to make,” Allen said. “You saw what practice looked like. We had some opportunities to make some big plays. Those are the plays that we got to make sure that we make come Sunday.”

— Tony Bergstrom was back working at left guard with the first-team offense Monday, just as he was the first week of OTAs.
Last week, Lucas Nix replaced Bergstrom. Allen has said that he intends to mix and match along the offensive line into training camp before he settles upon his starting five.
Bergstrom looks fine at left guard, though we won’t be able to tell for sure until there’s contact in practice and the exhibition games.

— Allen sounded more pleased by the play of his quarterbacks today than what we witnessed on the field today.
Too often, presumptive starter Matt Flynn misfired on passes that he shouldn’t have much difficulty putting on the mark. He also had a pass batted down at the line of scrimmage.
Flynn didn’t have any of his passes intercepted, but he missed high on a few passes, threw one way too low and had a few others miss wide of the mark.
Rookie Tyler Wilson didn’t have one of his better practices, either, though he didn’t do anything that made you cringe.
As for Pryor, he didn’t get as many reps. For the most part, he made respectable throws, save one that sailed over Conner Vernon’s head and into no man’s land.
Flynn doesn’t seem too concerned.
“We’re doing some good things out there,” Flynn said. “We’re getting more comfortable with each other and comfortable with being out on the field and playing. So I think as an offense we’re making a lot of strides. We still have a lot of things to clean up and that’s just going to come with time and repetitions. But so far I feel good about where we’re at and where we’re going.”

— Wide receivers Jacoby Ford (hamstring), Josh Cribbs (knee) and Isaiah Williams (undisclosed), tight end Nick Kasa (hamstring), fullback Jon Hoese (calf), defensive tackle Christo Bilukidi (ankle), cornerbacks D.J. Hayden (abdomen) and Coye Francies (ill) and linebacker Miles Burris (knee) did not practice today.
Cornerback Tracy Porter returned to practice after missing some time last week with a sore calf. Beyond that, everybody else was healthy enough to practice.

— For some reason, some people got the impression that Taiwan Jones practiced some at running back last week. To be certain, Jones is not working out at his old position. He’s working strictly as a cornerback as he attempts to make the conversion in his third season.

— Allen said Hayden is on track to rejoin his teammates at practice at the start of training camp. Hayden underwent surgery late last month to remove some scar tissue in his abdominal region.
“Everything went fine,” Allen said. “Everything was kind of as we had hoped and anticipated. Hey, listen, it’s a little bit of uncharted waters, but we still feel comfortable that he’ll be back and ready to go in camp. We still have seven weeks before we start training camp. It’s 51 days from now until we start training camp. We feel confident he’ll be back and be ready to go.”
Hayden was on the practice field today, sporting his No. 25, but he just watched from the sideline. The Raiders selected him with the 12th pick of the 2013 NFL draft.

— Pat Sims and Vance Walker appear to be the replacements for jettisoned defensive tackles Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly.
Allen said Sims and Walker were targeted by the Raiders, in large part, because of their penchant for holding up well against the run, long a problem area for the Raiders.
“When you really look at it, that’s probably what they’re best suited to do right now,” Allen said. “They play the run square, they come off and attack blocks like they’re supposed to. They’ve been gap-sound and fundamental in that regard.”
Sims did a nice job of pushing the pocket today and getting a hand up at the proper time whenever the quarterback attempted a pass.

— Marquette King opened eyes at training camp last year with his ability to punt the ball a long way, oftentimes in excess of 70 yards.
Problem is, King displayed a maddening penchant for following up a few impressive punts with a clunker or two. Naturally, teams are keen on punters that display more consistency.
“That’s the big thing with Marquette, and that’s what we’re going to be evaluating as we go through this process all the way through the preseason games,” Allen said. “It’s consistency. It’s not really unlike any other position, but the guys that can be the most consistent in the NFL, those end up being the best players. That’s one of the things that he’s got to continue to work on. He’s improved that. He’s not where he needs to be yet, but he has improved in that area.”
King is battling for the right to succeed long-time Raiders punter Shane Lechler, who bolted for the Houston Texans via free agency after 13 years with the Raiders. Veteran Chris Kluwe is King’s competition right now.
At one point today, King launched a 70+-yard punt, then followed that with a rather short punt that appeared to be mishit. Just another example of how it was so easy to take for granted Lechler all these years and how consistency is easy to say but hard to achieve.

— King isn’t the only young player with some work to do before he can feel secure about a spot on the Raiders 53-man roster or meaningful playing time.
Allen said third-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor is making progress, “but he’s not there yet.”
“There’s been no lack of effort on his part,” Allen said. “Still, when you look at it, the quarterback position, he’s still young in the position and there’s still a lot of improvement he needs to make. He’s got a great athletic skillset, but still some of the finer point about playing quarterback are still what he needs to continue to get better at.”

— It’s not hard to find ringing indictments of former Raiders middle linebacker Rolando McClain. On Monday, Allen doled out another one without even mentioning McClain.
It came when Allen was asked about the leadership provided by Nick Roach, one of Oakland’s free-agent signings, who is tasked with replacing McClain in the middle of Oakland’s defense.
“Nick’s highly intelligent and he’s athletic,” Allen said. “He’s done a nice job of kind of being the quarterback of our defense. He’s kind of taken on that role and really has a passion about leading that team. With his athleticism, he’s not maybe your proto-typical Mike linebacker. He’s got some things that he can do from a coverage standpoint that lends some flexibility to us.”
In other words, Roach is most things McClain wasn’t during his three failed seasons with the Raiders. Few questioned McClain’s intelligence and athleticism. It’s his work ethic, lack of leadership and lackluster play that many called into question.
The Raiders released McClain earlier this offseason. He later caught on with the Baltimore Ravens, only to retire a short time later so that he can get his life in order.

— The departure of Brandon Myers to the New York Giants in free agency left a huge void for the Raiders to fill at tight end.
Myers led the Raiders in receptions last season, and he played almost every down, while youngsters David Ausberry and Richard Gordon bided their time on the sideline.
Ausberry and Gordon are back for another crack at earning more playing time. The Raiders drafted Nick Kasa and Mychal Rivera as a means of creating more competition.
So, where do things stand right now?
“It’s pretty wide open,” Allen said. “All those guys are doing a nice job. Obviously, it’s hurt not having Kasa out there because he’s a guy we really anticipated being able to step-in and potentially fill a role for us. So, hopefully, we’ll get him out there soon. The big thing, again, with those guys, just like it is with everyone else, it’s going to be the consistency issue because they are relatively young at the position.”

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  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    Man, getting rid of the PR story guy has become like a darned mosquito in the middle of the night, its a small insignificant thing that doesnt go away and is annoying as hell. Good job getting rid of him after 1 year, can you imagine if this parasite would have been fired after 15 years?
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    But the Ass’t Media director has been there since 2001.

    That would be;

    Will Kiss Ass’t Media Director.

  • new improved dr robert now cherry flavored

    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Of our 4 QBs I am rooting for McGloin cause it rhymes with my groin.
    ******
    Look for his highlights on you tube.

    Pretty inspiring guy. He has Pryor-like determination.

    But he can pass.

  • Priesttj12

    inonewordraider Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    there are quite a few on this blog that don’t think much of pryor.

    does any of this attitude towards pryor stem from wanting to prove mistic wrong?
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    I am with Doc Rob on this. Pure evaluation. I WANT Pryor to be the next Joe “Willie” Namath. But there is a hell of lot more to being a stellar NFL Q than just wanting to be.
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    WOW! No kiddin’ I was under the impression you could wish real hard and that would do it.

  • DutchRaider77

    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Of our 4 QBs I am rooting for McGloin cause it rhymes with my groin
    ____

    Kinda shocked there isn’t more McGloin jokes considering his connection to…uh Sandusky

  • Seymour Bush Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    inonewordraider Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    there are quite a few on this blog that don’t think much of pryor.

    does any of this attitude towards pryor stem from wanting to prove mistic wrong?
    =============================================

    I am with Doc Rob on this. Pure evaluation. I WANT Pryor to be the next Joe “Willie” Namath. But there is a hell of lot more to being a stellar NFL Q than just wanting to be.
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    Bald Face Lie.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Mark Davis got rid of hue jackson via steve cork and Vic tafuar.

    Getting rid of the PR guy validates them saying that too back when it happened. either way

    DA is gonna have to win at least 8 games this year

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Pryor needs to take over games like Mckenzie said back at the combine..

    he said in preseason Pryor is gonna have to take over and show he is the number 1 guy

    Russell wilson beat out flynn ..if pryor is truly the number 1 guy he will beat him out too

    DA has min credbility as a coach right now… he blew the last 4 weeks sticking with Palmer then leinart.. wait till the games start

  • 2romes

    Regarding Ausberry, he needed time not only to put on poundage but to get stronger to accommodate the extra weight . I hope he is ready to be a equally good blocker as he is a catcher. He is first on my list to be out there and ready to make an positive impact for the team. It is not a lock that this will happen but it is the most exciting conversion position that if it works will open many eyes in the league.

    Pryor looks awkward passing at time and that is know secrete. It is a shame if that is what the staff is evaluating him by!!! They should be aiming their evaluation toward him getting the ball out of his hand no matter how awkward it looks. You can call it a duck, squibbler, you call it what you want. If he moves the ball by hand or feet to keep drives alive better than the other QB’s that is the QB the Raiders should go with. I want the best QB out there with no predetermination involved.

  • DutchRaider77 Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    Of our 4 QBs I am rooting for McGloin cause it rhymes with my groin
    ____

    Kinda shocked there isn’t more McGloin jokes considering his connection to…uh Sandusky
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    I’m not shocked at all.

  • new improved dr robert now cherry flavored

    Sandusky? U mean amerikkka’s latest oppressor of black men?

    Somehow, even though his victims were white.

    Hey I’m just repeating missdick here.

  • new improved dr robert now cherry flavored

    KoolKell Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    inonewordraider Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    there are quite a few on this blog that don’t think much of pryor.

    does any of this attitude towards pryor stem from wanting to prove mistic wrong?
    =============================================

    I am with Doc Rob on this. Pure evaluation. I WANT Pryor to be the next Joe “Willie” Namath. But there is a hell of lot more to being a stellar NFL Q than just wanting to be.
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    Bald Face Lie.
    *******
    U mean all it takes is wanting to? Sweet!

  • KoolKell Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    inonewordraider Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    there are quite a few on this blog that don’t think much of pryor.

    does any of this attitude towards pryor stem from wanting to prove mistic wrong?
    =============================================

    I am with Doc Rob on this. Pure evaluation. I WANT Pryor to be the next Joe “Willie” Namath. But there is a hell of lot more to being a stellar NFL Q than just wanting to be.
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    Bald Face Lie.
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    The actual expression is “bold faced lie.” Why would I not want Pryor to excel? I want the Raiders to win. I wanted Russell to excel. Heck, I wanted McCown to excel.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Mark Davis got rid of hue jackson via steve cork and Vic tafuar.
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    They weren’t there. McKenzie and Jackson were. Ask them.

  • new improved dr robert now cherry flavored

    KoolKell Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    I am with Doc Rob on this. Pure evaluation. I WANT Pryor to be the next Joe “Willie” Namath. But there is a hell of lot more to being a stellar NFL Q than just wanting to be.
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    Bald Face Lie.
    *********
    What’s the lie?

    He’s with me? Obviously he agrees with me.

    It’s evaluation? It is. It’s his opinion of pryors skills.

    That he wants Pryor to be good? Why do u get to say someone’s lying when they plainly that they would like Pryor to succeed but don’t think it will happen based on their evaluation?

    So no matter what, u know secretly that Seymour wants him to fail?

    Bullsh1t.

  • new improved dr robert now cherry flavored

    Bald face liar = clean shaven liar

  • new improved dr robert now cherry flavored

    I want Pryor to succeed. I just shaved this morning.

    Am I a bald faced liar?

  • Seymour Bush Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
    inonewordraider Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    there are quite a few on this blog that don’t think much of pryor.

    does any of this attitude towards pryor stem from wanting to prove mistic wrong?
    =============================================

    I am with Doc Rob on this. Pure evaluation. I WANT Pryor to be the next Joe “Willie” Namath. But there is a hell of lot more to being a stellar NFL Q than just wanting to be.
    ——————————–
    Bald Face Lie.
    =========================================

    The actual expression is “bold faced lie.” Why would I not want Pryor to excel? I want the Raiders to win. I wanted Russell to excel. Heck, I wanted McCown to excel.
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    All you want is to be right for once. You’ve been wrong about everything the last 10 yrs, Bootlicking Al Davis every decision. If you cared about winning, you have a dumb way of showing it.

  • Priesttj12

    It’s OK to have an honest opinion of Pryor, but in here it gets derogatory. That is why some of us feel it crosses the line. It gets personal……hateful even.

  • New Improved Dr Robert Now Cherry Flavored Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    I want Pryor to succeed. I just shaved this morning.

    Am I a bald faced liar?
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    Did you shave your asz, Dumbass?

  • The Florida Pete

    Seymour Bush Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    rediaR Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    What I want to know is how good Pryor’s hands are.
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    I can answer that: very good. Surprisingly good.

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    !

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Mark Davis knows he regrets letting go of hue.. just like he let go of the PR guy for bad press he is flexing his muscle and showing Reggie his boys are not above getting out of here.

    DA will need 8 games next year or say hi to GRUDEN or Lovie Smith or the next hot coach that may be canned.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    I want pryor to start.. but he cant be throwing off his back foot…

    and I dont want to see fluttering ducks out there… he needs to put hot sauce on his intermediate throws …and display touch on the simple screen passes and 5-7 yard out passes or slants.

    PERIOD. Thats not BS

  • Aphid

    RaiderDebo Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Great article from Bucky Brooks on NFL.com. Been trying to explain this to the clowns on this board for years, but you’re a little slow on the uptake. Anyway, the JR Comeback Train is full and leaving the station, so the dorks who missed it can suck it and like it. Maybe Mistic, Priest, RRS and me will drop by the circus and let you entertain us sometime. Lol!
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    So yor’re tell us that you guys are going to survive the train wreck and tell us about it? Good grief!

  • Thec

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    RaiderRockstar Says:

    new picture of Jacoby Ford:

    http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/gallery/data/500/DSC0863_web.jpg

    it appears he’s back in a walking boot?
    =================================================

    Thought that was now known as a Jacoboot. Maybe Jacobooty. Or the new improved, DMC Jacobooty.

    +++++++++++++

    not true…That is actual game footage….
    Guy behind him is DHB…

    Hatrz

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    new improved dr robert now cherry flavored Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    qbs with so called mechanical issues

    marino, kosar, tyler wilson, cam newton, kappy, cunningham

    some guys dont have the so called text book form but still become very good qbs

    pryor has smoothed out his mechanics and pre season will show it
    *******
    Wow. U just talked about people basing things on their dreams.

    U have no reason to believe he has smoothed out his mechanics.
    ===================

    false

    watch the preseason last year, i commented then on his noticeable improvement

    shut up lol

  • 2romes

    Seymour Bush Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Man what could have been

    HUE JAX + KAPERNICK + DMAC + FORD..DHB ..MOORE + REECE

    the defense would have been better if he got to pick his DC and his guys after the next year.. it would be no worse then its been under DA

    what could have been?? RAIDERS BLEW IT…. even blew it getting rid of HUE JAX so quick.. he was perfect for this team.

    OH WELL.. Kapernick and hue jax could have turned this franchise around quicker then Mckenzie (and im a fan of his ) and DA .. Bet on that.

    Mark blew it too getting rid of HUE.. u have seen Marks ego.. got rid of the PR guy..and got rid of HUE JAX because he lit into his guys after week 17

    some of the guys complained to Marky mark on that one via tafaur
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    I like!

  • The Florida Pete

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    Mark Davis knows he regrets letting go of hue.. just like he let go of the PR guy for bad press he is flexing his muscle and showing Reggie his boys are not above getting out of here.

    DA will need 8 games next year or say hi to GRUDEN or Lovie Smith or the next hot coach that may be canned.

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    someone should check to see if DA’s house is on the market…

    my guess is that even he knows he sucks…

    he ain’t getting 8 wins… he’ll be lucky to get 4…

    and here’s what’s special… half the guys in here will say it isn’t his fault…

    that no-one could win with the team he has…

    and for once, I will have to agree…

    I say cut him loose now… spare all of us the pain…

    this next season is already lost…

  • Thec

    Depending on how the year shakes out DA may only get 2 years.

  • SnBG

    I’m rooting for Pryor.
    In this article I will attempt to offer little to no opinion one way or the other regarding the Raiders 2013 quarterbacks. This is meant solely to compare the statistics of both QB’s first start. Both Matt Flynn and Terrelle Pryor have very limited experience starting in the NFL. A fair way to compare them at this time would be to compare each player’s first start.

    Flynn: 2010 vs. New England

    Opponent ranked 30th in the NFL in pass defense allowing 258.5 YPG on 63.5% completion rate through the air along with 1.56 TD’s.

    Pryor: 2012 vs. San Diego

    Opponent ranked 18th in the NFL in pass defense allowing 230.1 YPG on 61.1% completions through the air along with 1.75 TD’s.

    Pryor came in ahead with 36 more yards and a 1.1 yards per carry better average than Flynn. But Flynn’s rushing stats were not terrible for a prototypical passing QB.

    Score: Pryor 1, Flynn 0

    Passing:

    Flynn had a superior passing day in terms of yardage, completion percentage, and average. I have weighted passing as a two-point score since it is the most important aspect of being a QB in the NFL.

    Score: Pryor 1, Flynn 2

    Scoring:

    While Flynn did toss 3 TD’s, he did not scramble for any. Pryor had 3 total TD’s as well. Therefore, this score is a push.

    Turnovers:

    Flynn tossed a pick six and also had a fumble. Pryor tossed one interception with no fumbles.

    Score: Pryor 2, Flynn 2

    Opponent:

    Both players had their first start on the road and both lost. The Chargers were ranked higher in yards allowed per game than the Patriots, but the Patriots allowed fewer TD’s. Both QB’s had numerous on-target throws dropped, as both games were played in less than ideal weather conditions. This score is also a push.

    While this type of analysis may not offer any earth shattering realizations, it does help to emphasize each players strengths and weaknesses. Flynn is a superior passer and Pryor is a superior runner. Flynn has fumbled in both of his starts and has thrown two interceptions, so Pryor has been slightly more protective of the ball. Both QB’s struggle with throwing accurately down field.

    The real key will be to see how each player developed last year. Greg Olson will have to decide which QB fits his system best, and let them battle it out in camp. Olson has mostly worked with big armed QB’s, but has claimed that Gruden was a big influence on him. The good news is Olson is new to the situation so both QB’s will get a fair shake. If nothing else, competition should get the best out of both QB’s.

  • DutchRaider77

    @Mistic1
    Do you consider this Pryor’s third year or do you think instability of the last two years did not give Pryor a really chance to develop? (Hue had too much on his plate and Knapp was a bad coach?)

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    new improved dr robert now cherry flavored Says:

    I wish I had been the one to get beeech banned.

    He says himself he bann banned several times.

    New handles every few months.

    When he reappears, maybe I can get him banned again so I will have that feather in my cap.

    “This summer, at a cinema near u, it’s Dr. Robert in ‘Cleaning Up’!

    Dr. Robert: “It’s time to take out the trash!”
    =====================================================

    Take care of the man. The world will sort itself out.

  • Thec

    SnBG, good read on the last post however, prepare to buy me a new lid…….

  • SnBG

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    Mark Davis knows he regrets letting go of hue.. just like he let go of the PR guy for bad press he is flexing his muscle and showing Reggie his boys are not above getting out of here.

    DA will need 8 games next year or say hi to GRUDEN or Lovie Smith or the next hot coach that may be canned.
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    ROFLMAS….Right.

  • Priesttj12

    I said it the day he hired a rookie coach this will NOT ….work!

    A rookie GM hires a rookie HC especially when the owner is a rookie that is just bad all around. Something is BOUND to go very wrong. IT DID and it still will until they change it and get more experience at thos every key positions. Mark being a rookie owner should’ve hired a vet GM an fif not make sure the rookie GM gets a vet HC but noooooo everybody in the leadership roles are rookies. WHY US????

  • The Florida Pete/Eternal Optimist

    The Florida Pete Says:

    I say cut him loose now… spare all of us the pain…

    this next season is already lost…
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    You too, are welcome to this new improved handle.

  • SnBG

    Thec Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    SnBG, good read on the last post however, prepare to buy me a new lid…….
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    As long as Nix wins without Bergs getting injured and he starts game 1 of the reg season you will get it,,,,but don’t count on it. I’ll be checking out the latest styles so I can be ready to tell you what I want.

  • inonewordraider

    i’ll be happy with a team that fights their a$$ off weekly, no more blowouts

  • Ladybug

    Aphid Says:
    So yor’re tell us that you guys are going to survive the train wreck and tell us about it? Good grief!
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    Heads up, Aphid!

  • Thec

    SnBG Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    Thec Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    SnBG, good read on the last post however, prepare to buy me a new lid…….
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    As long as Nix wins without Bergs getting injured and he starts game 1 of the reg season you will get it,,,,but don’t count on it. I’ll be checking out the latest styles so I can be ready to tell you what I want.

    +++++++++++

    Agree on the particulars however, it is I that will be telling you size and design.

  • SnBG

    Inonewordraider Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    i’ll be happy with a team that fights their a$$ off weekly, no more blowouts
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    That’s exactly what we will get. Can’t wait DA at least 6 wins and will be back for 2014.

  • The Florida Pete

    I say DA gets 4 wins…

    and that’s only if he makes it through the season…

  • JLofty

    Anyone know what the comment posting record is?

  • inonewordraider

    so last seasons rally cry was

    PUT YOUR PANTS

    followed by the ever popular

    TEN AND THEN

    any nominations for this year?

  • SnBG

    The Florida Pete Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    I say DA gets 4 wins…

    and that’s only if he makes it through the season…
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    My Chrystal balls are bigger than yours. 6 easy,maybe 8

  • John David Booty

    RediaR Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    Jamarcus can’t hit a barn 10 yards in front of him, but he’ll throw the ball through the neighbor’s barn trying.
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    Jamarcus had some really ugly moments. But he did have some passes here and there that were incredible. That laser against the Bills that JLH took 84 yards in 08. Not too many guys in the league even right now that could make that pass, in between defenders. That was serious.

  • While this type of analysis may not offer any earth shattering realizations, it does help to emphasize each players strengths and weaknesses. Flynn is a superior passer and Pryor is a superior runner. Flynn has fumbled in both of his starts and has thrown two interceptions, so Pryor has been slightly more protective of the ball. Both QB’s struggle with throwing accurately do
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    Flynn takes a sack every 10.2 pass attempts.
    Pryor has yet to be sacked.

    Did you calculate 3rd down conversions?

  • Priesttj12 Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    I said it the day he hired a rookie coach this will NOT ….work!

    A rookie GM hires a rookie HC especially when the owner is a rookie that is just bad all around. Something is BOUND to go very wrong. IT DID and it still will until they change it and get more experience at thos every key positions. Mark being a rookie owner should’ve hired a vet GM an fif not make sure the rookie GM gets a vet HC but noooooo everybody in the leadership roles are rookies. WHY US????
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    Mark should have hired Ozzie Newsom and then brought BOTH Harbaughs here and coaxed Peyton Manning to breach his contract with Denver and come here bringing Adrian Peterson along for the league minimum. Anything else Mark should have done?

  • KoolKell Says:
    June 6th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    While this type of analysis may not offer any earth shattering realizations, it does help to emphasize each players strengths and weaknesses. Flynn is a superior passer and Pryor is a superior runner. Flynn has fumbled in both of his starts and has thrown two interceptions, so Pryor has been slightly more protective of the ball. Both QB’s struggle with throwing accurately do
    ———————–
    Flynn takes a sack every 10.2 pass attempts.
    Pryor has yet to be sacked.

    Did you calculate 3rd down conversions?
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    How’s about Pryor’s 4 for 11 lst half and 2 for 9 3rd Quarter? Did you factor that Pryor basically sucked the entire game until the last few minutes?

  • SnBG

    Did you calculate 3rd down conversions?
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    http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/01/is-3rd-down-conversion-percentage-good.html

    Is 3rd Down Conversion Percentage a Good Stat?
    I’ve previously commented that using 3rd down percentage in an analysis of team strength or a game prediction model is not a good practice. I realize this is counter intuitive. 3rd down percentage is highly correlated with winning, and unlike total rushing yards, the direction of causation is clear. Converting the always-critical 3rd down leads to winning. So why wouldn’t it be a good stat?
    “When we rate how good a team is, we’re better off knowing how likely it is to win future games than dissecting past games into molecular detail.”
    3rd down percentage is a function of a team’s passing ability, running ability, an opponent’s ability to stop them, and often random luck (you guess pass I call a draw). 3rd down percentage is an intermediate result between running/passing and the final result of interest–team wins. Injecting an intermediate result into a regression model may be useful in analyzing why teams won or lost past games, but it does not help evaluate how good a team is, or will be.

    Bill Parcells once barked, “You are what your record says you are.” I prefer the saying that “you’re only as good as your next game.” A team’s record may be what matters when deciding who goes to the playoffs, but a team can’t really change its record–except by winning or losing its next game. So when we rate how good a team is, we’re better off knowing how likely it is to win future games than dissecting past games into molecular detail. Many of those details are unique to the circumstances of the past. Models like this are known as “over-fit.”

    Stats such as 3rd down percentage tell us more about what has happened to a team in the past than how well it will do in the future. In a recent article, I tested how well various stats endure through the season. If a team stat from the first half of the season does well predicting itself in the second half of the season, we have a good idea that it is an enduring and repeatable skill, and not primarily the result of randomness and non-repeating circumstances. The table below lists how well each team stat correlates with itself between the first and second half of a season.

    Variable Correlation
    O 3D Rate 0.43
    D Int Rate 0.08
    D Pass 0.29
    D Run 0.44
    D Sack Rate 0.24
    O Fumble Rate 0.48
    O Int Rate 0.27
    O Pass 0.58
    O Run 0.56
    O Sack Rate 0.26
    Penalty Rate 0.58

    Offensive 3rd down rate endures fairly well within a season, with a correlation coefficient of 0.43. But what if I could predict a team’s 3rd down percentage with a completely different stat better than past 3rd down percentage itself? What does that tell us about 3rd down percentage as a stat?

    The table below lists other offensive efficiency stats as predictors of 3rd down percentage. In other words, these are the correlations between a team’s other stats from the first half of a season and the team’s 3rd down percentage from the second half of the same season.

    Predictor Correlation
    O 3D Pct 0.43
    O Pass 0.56
    O Run 0.08
    O Sack Rate -0.53
    O Int Rate -0.42

    We can actually predict a team’s 3rd down percentage better with offensive pass efficiency, or with sack rate, better than with a team’s to-date 3rd down percentage. And with the correlation with run efficiency at a very small 0.08, we see that the passing game has almost everything to do with 3rd down conversions. (Teams tend to pass on anything longer than 3rd and 1 these days.)

    So why include 3rd down percentage in a rating of team strength or a win prediction model when passing stats are already included? It would only serve to add random noise. Instead of telling us how good a team is or will be, it would tell us more about the unique circumstances and random luck the team experienced in the past.

    If we still want to use 3rd down percentage as a stat to predict how good a team will be, we can. After all, 3rd down success is critical in sustaining drives and scoring points. It correlates with team wins at about 0.49 and with points scored at 0.65, both relatively very high. Instead of actually using to-date 3rd down percentage, we should estimate what the 3rd down percentage will be based on the stats we know to be predictive.

    The table below is a regression model using passing stats to estimate future 3rd down percentage.

    Variable Coefficient p-value
    constant 39.6 0.00
    O Sack Rate -11.6 0.00
    O Pass Efficiency 1.29 0.01
    O Int Rate -1.53 0.00

    The actual model coefficients aren’t as important as the fact that the r-squared is 0.94. That means that we can predict a teams’s future 3rd down percentage with almost crystal ball-like accuracy using passing efficiency stats. And ironically, if we add previous 3rd down percentage itself to the model, it is the only non-significant variable (p=0.13) and r-squared is (strangely) reduced.

    An r-squared of 0.94 is the equivalent of a correlation coefficient (r) of 0.97. Remember, this compares to the self-correlation of previous 3rd down percentage of only 0.46.

    So if we want to know a team’s ability to covert 3rd downs, we’re far better off looking at passing stats than previous 3rd down conversion rates. And a prediction model is far better off using those passing stats (pass efficiency, interception rate, sack rate) and excluding to-date 3rd down percentage.

  • inonewordraider

    stats stats stats

    if you ask me pryors stats were inflated in the preseason. got long td’s, couple big runs, but looked nothing like an nfl qb

    vs san diego made the right plays, was assertive, looked to run as a last resort, had plenty of passes dropped hurting his stat line, made me optimistic