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Notes, quotes and observations from mini camp Day 2

It shouldn’t come as a great surprise that the Raiders quarterbacks performed better today, given there wasn’t much room to go but up. Even so, the quarterbacks looked as sharp, as a group, as they have all offseason.
It didn’t begin that way, to be fair. The first several throws left a lot to be desired and most of those, even ones that found the mark, lacked zip and a tight spiral.
Before long, something clicked and Matt Flynn seemed to find a comfortable rhythm, Terrelle Pryor dropped in a beauty to Andre Holmes 50 yards downfield and Tyler Wilson threaded a pass into tight coverage well downfield.
“The execution was better today,” coach Dennis Allen said. “Our guys, the one thing about them is, every time we challenge them, they come back and respond. So I was pleased with the way they practiced today.”
Allen was talking about his players, in general, but he could have said the same thing about a quarterback corps that looked as if they were practicing for the first time when they floundered Tuesday.

– Wide receivers Josh Cribbs and Isaiah Williams, fullback Jon Hoese, running back Latavius Murray, tight end Nick Kasa, linebacker Miles Burris, defensive tackles Johnny Jones and Stacy McGee and cornerbacks Coye Francies, D.J. Hayden and Taiwan Jones missed all or part of practice for the second straight day.
Murray made an appearance on the sideline. Afterward, Allen said Murray’s foot injury isn’t something that’s going to linger into training camp.
Cornerback Phillip Adams suffered a hamstring injury midway through practice and was escorted to the locker room. Fellow cornerback Michael Jenkins hurt his knee and didn’t finish practice, either.

– New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton said last week that he and Allen discussed the possibility of conducting joint practices before their exhibition game. Allen said Wednesday that it’s not apt to happen this time around.
“It’s something that we’ve talked about,” Allen said. “I don’t think that’s going to end up working out, but it is something that we kicked around, really both sides.”
Allen, of course, coached under Payton when both were with the Saints. In the past, the Raiders conducted joint practices with the Dallas Cowboys before exhibition games in Texas.

– If Allen is heaping praise upon a rookie, take note. Allen isn’t one to go overboard when talking about a young player.
On Wednesday, Allen raved about rookie linebacker Sio Moore way beyond what he typically does for a player that hasn’t established himself yet.
“I like Sio,” Allen said. “Sio’s a rookie, he makes some rookie mistakes. But he’s a big, powerful man. And he’s got a little bit of pass-rush ability to him. So, I like some of the flexibility that he gives us.”
But, wait, there’s more.
“What you look at is you look at football intelligence, and he’s got some football intelligence and some football savvy about him,” Allen said. “We got a big volume of stuff that we’re throwing at him and sometimes it can overload him. He’s a guy that continues to go out there and work every day. His work ethic and his understanding of the game of football is what’s going to allow him to be a good player for us.”
Moore is competing for a starting spot, along with Kaluka Maiava, Miles Burris and Kevin Burnett. Nick Roach is a lock as the middle linebacker.

– Safety Charles Woodson joined the Raiders late during offseason workouts. Even so, he wasted little time getting up to speed and acclimating himself to the Raiders defense.
“Wood’s been great,” Allen said. “He’s done everything that we’ve asked him to do. He’s really exactly what we felt we were going to be able to get in a player like that; a Hall of Fame-caliber player that’s made a lot of plays on the football over his career.
“We’re going to continue to ask him to do those things. As he’s gone throughout his career, he’s taken on more of a leadership role and he’s done a nice job in that regard for us.”
Woodson is expected to speak with the media Thursday. At that time, we’ll pass along Woodson’s thoughts on how things are going during his second stint with the Raiders.
Woodson is working with the Raiders first-team defense, alongside strong safety Tyvon Branch.

– Wilson fared somewhat better today, including one throw that he zipped 30 yards to a spot where Travionte Session could make a play in tight coverage.
Sure, he’s still prone to the occasional rookie mistake and consistency still is a work in progress, but Wilson carries himself in a way befitting a player with NFL experience.
“That’s one of the things about him,” Allen said. “He’s got some moxie to him. He’s got some savvyness to him. He still has a long way to go as far as learning the offense, learning the NFL game. But he’s a guy that hopefully we can develop and he can be better for us.”

– Allen admits that the Raiders checked into the possibility of signing a veteran wide receiver earlier this offseason.
Instead, they opted to see what they can get out of a corps that since has added Josh Cribbs, Brice Butler, Conner Vernon and Sam McGuffie.
“We looked to see what was available, really at all positions, but we got some young talent here,” Allen said. “Now we need somebody to step up and really separate themselves a little bit. But I like our receivers. I like the young talent that we have.”
That talent was on display today and Tuesday, with Butler, Vernon and McGuffie making impressive plays. All three have a legitimate shot to make the 53-man roster, behind locks Denarius Moore, Jacoby Ford, Rod Streater and Juron Criner.

– Very quietly, the Raiders are working more and more on different looks defensively. We’re not allowed to divulge much, but suffice that you’re going to see more three-man fronts and defensive linemen dropping into coverage.
A lack of dependable cornerbacks last season made it difficult for the Raiders to be as dynamic as defensive coordinator Jason Tarver and Allen envisioned.
As a result, the Raiders signed veterans Michael Jenkins and Tracy Porter and drafted D.J. Hayden in the first round. Their ability to hold up in coverage frees up other defenders to get after the quarterback.
“It’s a critical area of our football team,” Allen said. “The way the NFL is now, everything’s centered around the quarterback offensively, it’s centered around the quarterback defensively. What can you do to affect the quarterback, and that’s rush and coverage. We’ve got to be able to have both parts working together. Our coverage aspect is going to be able to help our rush this year.”
Several times the past two days, Porter and Jenkins flashed their ability to shadow receivers and get in position to intercept a pass, break it up or at least make it more difficult for the receiver.

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  • RaiderRockstar

    Doc Rivers to the Clippers????

    That would be a GREAT hire

    ***

    Indeed!

    might even be enough for Paul to stay?

  • willy91137

    you guys think rookies can’t play how about Wilson in Seattle how about Andrew luck

    I will admit I don’t know what we have in the line of a quarterback

    but IF offense of line plays good R quarterback play will be better

    and other wide receivers will be better because it takes 11 people to play football

    and with a better special teams the offense will have a better chance at getting a touchdown

    and if our defensive backs can play better we should get more sack,s

    Dennis Allen knows defense and he will dial some things up that get to the quarterback

    unlike the AL Davis years where we did not blitz we will blitz

    we will send cornerbacks safeties and linebackers if they are playing defense

    they will blitz

    I still think the glass is half-full

  • Gdog

    nycraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    If our OL is average, our WR are below average and dont run good routes than having a QB who can make plays with his feet makes sense.Many of you tend to ignore one of Rich gannon’s best qualities, Running for it on third down

    >>>>

    When he first became a Raider, true. By the time he was MVP, he rarely ran though…

  • RaiderRockstar

    “CP3″ is Chris Paul

    6x NBA All Star

    the other guy can kick rocks. there are plenty in Arizona!

  • Thec

    When Pryor beats out Flynn, wonder how many of you guys will cease to exist on this blog.

  • hwnrdr

    Gdog Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    I never hated CP3

    >>>>

    There are so many that did I have a hard time remembering the ones that appreciated his efforts.

    If Raider fans hated CP’s performances, I can only imagine their patience with whoever wins this years job…

    True!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Logic82 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 6:12 am
    “A QB needs to be mobile, but quarterbacks who depend on the run always end up getting the hell beat out of them and end up injured.
    I’ll take a pocket passer.”

    Let’s see: We have Peyton’s neck, Bree’s shoulder, Brady’s knee, Ben’s knee/ankle, Farve’s entire body, Theisman’s pretzel leg, Bradford’s shoulder, Sims spleen, Palmer’s ribs,…..

    ====

    OK, the pocket passers that you mentioned all have injuries. And they’re all still starting. And guess what? All the best you mentioned are or were do so at rather advanced ages:

    Peyton – 37
    Brees – 34
    Brady – 35
    Favre – Frickin Methusela played until he was mid 40′s
    Theisman – broke his leg at 36
    Palmer – broken ribs at 32 and he’s coming back without missing a beat
    Simms spleen – really? If you want to break out a list of insignficant QBs there are plenty of mobiles that were hurt young and never amounted to anything
    Big Ben – funny, he’s the most mobile of the bunch. And he has what most mobile QBs are crippled by – an ankle or knee injury

    Now let’s talk about the longetivity of the mobile group, shall we?

    RGIII — the current poster child, severely injured knee in his rookie year and may never be the same. Jury is out.
    Vick – oldest of them mobile, is 32. But his body had a nice 3 year reprieve from an otherwise injury filled career. Eagles already worried he may be nearing done and bringing in his future. Could happen this season. Also averaging 4 games per season played lost to injury.
    V Young – 30 and can’t get a job. Has played in 60 games over 6 seasons, averaging 6 a year missed due to injuries

    There’s your logic.

  • Gdog

    willy91137 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    you guys think rookies can’t play how about Wilson in Seattle how about Andrew luck

    >>>

    Hoping to hit the jackpot like this never seems to work out for the Raiders at QB.

    To count on this is silly…

  • Raider E

    We are always hard on QB’s historically. My dad used to call Plunkett, Pigface. Stabler and Hostetler are the only ones I remember him liking.

    Although, he loved Jeff George’s arm, but that is where that ended.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Thec Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    When Pryor beats out Flynn, wonder how many of you guys will cease to exist on this blog.

    =====

    The Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, a Unicorn … you know, all the mythical creatures given that you premise is based on something that doesn’t exist.

  • the famous dr robert

    Kell—ur a pretty sh1tty person. I was in no mood to respond to ur vile comments last night but u are a fat bald ugly human.

    Hard to imagine a guy that fat being gutless but u pulled it off.

    U have made fun of people in wheelchairs and with deformities.

    Now u show zero class when a blogger has a death of someone close to them to deal with.

    I feel sorry for u and ur wife. She has to regret the day she married such a pig.

  • willy91137

    Thec Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    When Pryor beats out Flynn, wonder how many of you guys will cease to exist on this blog.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I know one thing I would not want to bet on which quarterbacks going to start

    but we won’t know until preseason is over

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Gdog Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    nycraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    If our OL is average, our WR are below average and dont run good routes than having a QB who can make plays with his feet makes sense.Many of you tend to ignore one of Rich gannon’s best qualities, Running for it on third down

    >>>>

    When he first became a Raider, true. By the time he was MVP, he rarely ran though…

    ====

    Gannon ran when the defense went ballz out to stop the pass and were going base dime defenses. He took what they gave him.

    Pryor is going to scare nobody with his passing threats and thus will not have running lanes handed to him. Even if he did, odds are he wouldn’t be able to read that pre-snap.

  • Priesttj12

    Thec Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
    When Pryor beats out Flynn, wonder how many of you guys will cease to exist on this blog.
    ***********************************
    About 20% is the usual. Some have already take leave. Those who said he would NEVER make a start as a Oakland Raider.

  • J Hill

    Raiders coach Dennis Allen: `I know there’s a lot of experts out there that might think differently, but I like this football team.’

    ————————————————————

    Me too!!!

  • Scourge

    the famous dr robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Kell—ur a pretty sh1tty person. I was in no mood to respond to ur vile comments last night but u are a fat bald ugly human.

    Hard to imagine a guy that fat being gutless but u pulled it off.

    U have made fun of people in wheelchairs and with deformities.

    Now u show zero class when a blogger has a death of someone close to them to deal with.

    I feel sorry for u and ur wife. She has to regret the day she married such a pig.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s nice to see you guys getting along. Imagine if you hated each other!

    :mrgreen:

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Priesttj12 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    For those of you actively handicapping the RAID QB competition based on media tweets…here’s something to consider.

    Have you read even one tweet about TP, MF or TW scrambling for a gain ?

    Any talk about a QB avoiding a sack, tucking it, and running ?

    No ?

    Care to guess why this hasn’t happened ?

    It’s bcz the QB’s are being told to sit in the pocket, make a read, and throw it.

    Maybe a roll out or two, but NO TUCK AND RUN.

    That’s where the RAIDS are at right now.

    OLSON and TITS don’t want to see their QB’s risking injury by running. Not now.

    When the real bullets start flying, you can bet your azz that a QBs ability to use his legs to extend plays and drives will be much more important and a factor to be considered than where the RAIDS are at NOW.

    If TP can show that he’s in the same ballpark as MF throwing the ball at THIS stage, he’s going to be even MORE DANGEROUS when he’s allowed to use his LEGS.
    *****************************************************
    RM99, they’re not allowed to in passing drills. They trying to get them solid in the passing schemes and reads. You’ll see plenty in camp, especially from you know who.
    =============================================
    That’s right, BHP.

    Remember the old saying when Willie Gault was even with a DB trying to cover him ?

    “If he’s even he’s leaving.”

    Well, that’s the way I’m looking at these OTAs when it comes to TP.

    If he can show he’s ‘even’, throwing it in these drills…

    He’s ‘leaving’ when he can use the REST of his game.

    FIRE TITS YESTERDAY.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Hoping to hit the jackpot like this never seems to work out for the Raiders at QB.

    ***

    @Gdog

    Reggie could have drafted the Top QB available in RD1 this year: Manuel or Smith

    Could have drafted Glennon, Barkley or Nassib in RD3

    Last year he could have drafted Kirk Cousins 95th overall

    BigMac better hope none of these guys become Franchise QB’s and we’re sitting here with our thumbs up our butts looking for a QB next offseason, too

  • RaiderRockstar

    new post ladies

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  • The Florida Pete

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    #922

    nice memory Judge.

    didn’t Tui, Rob Johnson & Rick Mirer start a few games in 2003? even Tee Martin?

    you missed Andrew Walter. Matt Leinart

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    was he in prison???

  • 0ak r8rs

    Although, he loved Jeff George’s arm, but that is where that ended.

    @@@@@@@@@

    That’s pretty much where everything ended w Jeff George.

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