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Notes, quotes and observations from mini camp Day 2

It shouldn’t come as a great surprise that the Raiders quarterbacks performed better today, given there wasn’t much room to go but up. Even so, the quarterbacks looked as sharp, as a group, as they have all offseason.
It didn’t begin that way, to be fair. The first several throws left a lot to be desired and most of those, even ones that found the mark, lacked zip and a tight spiral.
Before long, something clicked and Matt Flynn seemed to find a comfortable rhythm, Terrelle Pryor dropped in a beauty to Andre Holmes 50 yards downfield and Tyler Wilson threaded a pass into tight coverage well downfield.
“The execution was better today,” coach Dennis Allen said. “Our guys, the one thing about them is, every time we challenge them, they come back and respond. So I was pleased with the way they practiced today.”
Allen was talking about his players, in general, but he could have said the same thing about a quarterback corps that looked as if they were practicing for the first time when they floundered Tuesday.

– Wide receivers Josh Cribbs and Isaiah Williams, fullback Jon Hoese, running back Latavius Murray, tight end Nick Kasa, linebacker Miles Burris, defensive tackles Johnny Jones and Stacy McGee and cornerbacks Coye Francies, D.J. Hayden and Taiwan Jones missed all or part of practice for the second straight day.
Murray made an appearance on the sideline. Afterward, Allen said Murray’s foot injury isn’t something that’s going to linger into training camp.
Cornerback Phillip Adams suffered a hamstring injury midway through practice and was escorted to the locker room. Fellow cornerback Michael Jenkins hurt his knee and didn’t finish practice, either.

– New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton said last week that he and Allen discussed the possibility of conducting joint practices before their exhibition game. Allen said Wednesday that it’s not apt to happen this time around.
“It’s something that we’ve talked about,” Allen said. “I don’t think that’s going to end up working out, but it is something that we kicked around, really both sides.”
Allen, of course, coached under Payton when both were with the Saints. In the past, the Raiders conducted joint practices with the Dallas Cowboys before exhibition games in Texas.

– If Allen is heaping praise upon a rookie, take note. Allen isn’t one to go overboard when talking about a young player.
On Wednesday, Allen raved about rookie linebacker Sio Moore way beyond what he typically does for a player that hasn’t established himself yet.
“I like Sio,” Allen said. “Sio’s a rookie, he makes some rookie mistakes. But he’s a big, powerful man. And he’s got a little bit of pass-rush ability to him. So, I like some of the flexibility that he gives us.”
But, wait, there’s more.
“What you look at is you look at football intelligence, and he’s got some football intelligence and some football savvy about him,” Allen said. “We got a big volume of stuff that we’re throwing at him and sometimes it can overload him. He’s a guy that continues to go out there and work every day. His work ethic and his understanding of the game of football is what’s going to allow him to be a good player for us.”
Moore is competing for a starting spot, along with Kaluka Maiava, Miles Burris and Kevin Burnett. Nick Roach is a lock as the middle linebacker.

– Safety Charles Woodson joined the Raiders late during offseason workouts. Even so, he wasted little time getting up to speed and acclimating himself to the Raiders defense.
“Wood’s been great,” Allen said. “He’s done everything that we’ve asked him to do. He’s really exactly what we felt we were going to be able to get in a player like that; a Hall of Fame-caliber player that’s made a lot of plays on the football over his career.
“We’re going to continue to ask him to do those things. As he’s gone throughout his career, he’s taken on more of a leadership role and he’s done a nice job in that regard for us.”
Woodson is expected to speak with the media Thursday. At that time, we’ll pass along Woodson’s thoughts on how things are going during his second stint with the Raiders.
Woodson is working with the Raiders first-team defense, alongside strong safety Tyvon Branch.

– Wilson fared somewhat better today, including one throw that he zipped 30 yards to a spot where Travionte Session could make a play in tight coverage.
Sure, he’s still prone to the occasional rookie mistake and consistency still is a work in progress, but Wilson carries himself in a way befitting a player with NFL experience.
“That’s one of the things about him,” Allen said. “He’s got some moxie to him. He’s got some savvyness to him. He still has a long way to go as far as learning the offense, learning the NFL game. But he’s a guy that hopefully we can develop and he can be better for us.”

– Allen admits that the Raiders checked into the possibility of signing a veteran wide receiver earlier this offseason.
Instead, they opted to see what they can get out of a corps that since has added Josh Cribbs, Brice Butler, Conner Vernon and Sam McGuffie.
“We looked to see what was available, really at all positions, but we got some young talent here,” Allen said. “Now we need somebody to step up and really separate themselves a little bit. But I like our receivers. I like the young talent that we have.”
That talent was on display today and Tuesday, with Butler, Vernon and McGuffie making impressive plays. All three have a legitimate shot to make the 53-man roster, behind locks Denarius Moore, Jacoby Ford, Rod Streater and Juron Criner.

– Very quietly, the Raiders are working more and more on different looks defensively. We’re not allowed to divulge much, but suffice that you’re going to see more three-man fronts and defensive linemen dropping into coverage.
A lack of dependable cornerbacks last season made it difficult for the Raiders to be as dynamic as defensive coordinator Jason Tarver and Allen envisioned.
As a result, the Raiders signed veterans Michael Jenkins and Tracy Porter and drafted D.J. Hayden in the first round. Their ability to hold up in coverage frees up other defenders to get after the quarterback.
“It’s a critical area of our football team,” Allen said. “The way the NFL is now, everything’s centered around the quarterback offensively, it’s centered around the quarterback defensively. What can you do to affect the quarterback, and that’s rush and coverage. We’ve got to be able to have both parts working together. Our coverage aspect is going to be able to help our rush this year.”
Several times the past two days, Porter and Jenkins flashed their ability to shadow receivers and get in position to intercept a pass, break it up or at least make it more difficult for the receiver.

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  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    inonewordraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    This skill set much is harder to find and more valuable than a 2 guard that can score like wade. the nba is littered with them, and that is what kobe was with pau and shaq.

    Even pipin benefited greatly form being 2nd in command to jordan. Do you think he becomes 1 of the so called 50 greatest without mj?

    i doubt it highly.
    __________
    fair argument, although remember pippen led his team to the eastern conference finals, wade won a finals with shaq and with odom and caron butler went to the eastern conference finals

    gasol on his own for most of his time with Memphis was a bottom feeder team.

    gasol was an all star, kobe made him “great”, doesn’t play d. Pippen locked up the other teams best guy, provided offense and hall of famer. wade plays both ways as well d and o and is a hall of famer
    ====================

    wade won with shaq just like kobe did

    did you attribute the word great to gasol only because of the jewlery?

    Again if you look at his career, he has been one of the best power forwards, and with his combo of skills he would be drafted before a scoring 2 gaurd or a defensive minded small forward (pipen) every day of the week and twice on sunday.

    Size is king in the nba unless you have a player that transcends like jordan did, or lebron did last year.

    i dont think kobe is in mjs class mainly because he is such a destructive force in his own locker room.

  • the famous dr robert

    Inonewordraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    ********
    My point was NOT that he would make the team based in the buzz alone.

    My point was due to the buzz, if they like him, they risk losing him if they try to hide him on the the PS, because other teams are now aware of him and the buzz.

    So if they consider him a legit passer, and decide Pryor is not a legit passer, thru may decide to hang the Pryor project up and move forward.

    Chances if McGloin displacing Pryor? 30%

    ________
    as bad as you want it to happen, it aint gonna happen. wrong again
    *******
    I never said I wanted it to happen.

    I want Pryor to succeed. But I don’t see it happening.

    I’m not saying McGloin will beat Pryor out. I said 30% chance. That’s saying its likely he won’t.

    But the chance is big enough to be real and it could get bigger as we go.

  • inonewordraider

    Damien ‏@LeviDamien 23s
    Richard Gordon wide open on slant across the middle, perfect pass from Flynn and he dropped it. #Raiders

    ___________
    dmac keeps saying Gordon has hands…

  • inonewordraider

    Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL 48s
    In passing drill now. As if on cue, Matt Flynn’s pass batted down at the line.

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    Tony Bergstrom is back at left guard with the first-team offense. That appears to be the only OL spot in question.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien1m
    Flynn looking sharp so far. Perfect pass on out route to Juron Criner. #Raiders

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien4m
    Pryor with low pass dump Jeremy Stewart couldn’t hold onto.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    even macgloin laughed off the news from mortensen, read this

    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/6/13/4425656/matt-mcgloin-responds-to-reports-of-his-making-an-impression-oakland-raiders

    pfft mcgloin’s buzz

    quit playin’

  • RaiderRockstar

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL2m
    Tony Bergstrom is back at left guard with the first-team offense. That appears to be the only OL spot in question.

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL1m
    In passing drill now. As if on cue, Matt Flynn’s pass batted down at the line.

  • the famous dr robert

    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    The_Judge37 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 11:10 am
    What are the predictions for today’s practice, Regression or Progression?
    ******
    Flynn: finding his rhythm.
    Pryor: some solid throws and many not.
    Wilson: some wow throws.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Im penalizing kobe for being a poor team mate and playing with 2 of the best big men of their times in their primes.

    lebron and mj never had that luxury

  • inonewordraider

    Levi Damien ‏@LeviDamien 27s
    Criner comes back to the ball and shields off Tyvon for nice catch from Flynn. #Raiders

  • the famous dr robert

    Inonewordraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
    Damien ‏@LeviDamien 23s
    Richard Gordon wide open on slant across the middle, perfect pass from Flynn and he dropped it. #Raiders

    ___________
    dmac keeps saying Gordon has hands…
    ********
    Edward Paddlehands.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL1m
    Michael Jenkins jumps route, has Matt Flynn pass go right through his hands.

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL55s
    Flynn completes pass to Juron Criner ,,, for 3 yards.

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien4m
    Richard Gordon wide open on slant across the middle, perfect pass from Flynn and he dropped it.

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien2m
    Jenkins nearly picks of Flynn pass intended for Ford. He should have had it.

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien1m
    Criner comes back to the ball and shields off Tyvon for nice catch from Flynn

  • theghostronin79

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL49s
    Pryor on fire now. On the money for Travionte Session.

    =========

    Finally

  • inonewordraider

    Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL 1m
    Pryor on fire now. On the money for Travionte Session.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Nice spiral from .@TerrellePryor Brice Butler makes nice grab of pass thrown a tad high.

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL1m
    Pryor on fire now. On the money for Travionte Session.

  • Thec

    Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL 1m
    Pryor on fire now. On the money for Travionte Session.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien1m
    Brice Butler reaches up and pulls down a high pass from Pryor, then Pryor hits Session on deep out

  • RaiderRockstar

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien19s
    Tyler Wilson with pump fake and hits Greg Jenkins over middle

  • willy91137

    AIDERMAN99 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    J Hill Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 11:33 am
    McGahee wasn’t the one that trucked Hiram.

    ———————————————————–

    You’re misremembering.
    ==============================
    I stand corrected. For some reason, I thought it was LeRon McClain.

    Definitely a poor play by Hiram, but one that I thought was overblown.

    More of a combination of angle and balance than McGahee flat out trucking HE.

    I’m sure most will disagree but IMO Hiram Eugene > Mike Puff.

    Too bad Eugene injured his hip, otherwise the RAIDS might have dumped Huff a lot earlier.
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Goodbye HUFF hello a better defense

  • inonewordraider

    dr rob, looks like your boy mcgoin is in trouble

    looks like Flynn might be too…

  • Thec

    Looks like all the QB’s are stepping up.

  • Marks hair

    if you wanna believe a Chris Mortinson report when he has not ever watched our practice or McGloin then you are the one with the agenda…

  • theghostronin79

    Yeah Thec…….It’s encouraging. Especially the tweet about Pryor being on fire….Never heard such a claim before.

  • inonewordraider

    Levi Damien ‏@LeviDamien 3m
    Tyler Wilson with pump fake and hits Greg Jenkins over middle. #Raiders

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Pryor on fire must really burn Tits Allen.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    lmao….

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL55s
    Flynn completes pass to Juron Criner ,,, for 3 yards.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    the juron criner break away speed meets the cannon arm flynn…smh

  • the famous dr robert

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    even macgloin laughed off the news from mortensen, read this

    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/6/13/4425656/matt-mcgloin-responds-to-reports-of-his-making-an-impression-oakland-raiders

    pfft mcgloin’s buzz

    quit playin’
    ************
    No he didn’t. He didn’t laugh it off. He said he is just trying to make the most if his reps. There’s no way to interpret this as laughing it off.

    “Yeah, somebody told me about it,” said McGloin. “All news is good news but I still have a long way to go. I still have a lot to do with the system, the speed of the game and just adapting to the NFL level. So, it’s definitely good to see but at the end of the day it doesn’t really mean much. I’m still getting one rep at a clip.

    “I’ll get more reps when I can, but I understand the position that I’m in – came into camp as an undrafted guy – so I’m just trying to make the most out of every opportunity and every rep that I get.”

    “Obviously as a competitor it’s tough to watch the other guys take reps and you don’t get too many but like I said I understand the position that I’m in. I was an undrafted guy and I’m not gonna come in and take a ton of reps so you gotta make the most of your reps and I’ve been doing the best job I can to get the most mental reps as I can even when I’m not in there.”

  • hwnrdr

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    Pryor on fire must really burn Tits Allen.

    Tears him to the bone! :)

  • Thec

    Marks Hair Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    if you wanna believe a Chris Mortinson report when he has not ever watched our practice or McGloin then you are the one with the agenda…

    +++++++++

    After the report, the guy is getting 1 to 2 snaps…

    McGloin is PS material…TP is showing and prove to push.

  • inonewordraider

    al’s last pick the one to take us to the promise land?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien3m
    RT @Rynickris: @CorkOnTheNFL @levidamien is Watson 2nd team RT — Yes

    ***

    Watson = 2nd string

  • Whoknows

    Hey Dr, don’t you have a friend to attend to?

  • the famous dr robert

    Marks Hair Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    if you wanna believe a Chris Mortinson report when he has not ever watched our practice or McGloin then you are the one with the agenda…
    *********
    Why do u purposely ignore what I actually say and keep changing it?

    I said it doesn’t matter if its true or not.

    It exists and that constitutes buzz. It’s just s fact.

  • the famous dr robert

    Inonewordraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    dr rob, looks like your boy mcgoin is in trouble

    looks like Flynn might be too…
    *******
    Sounds like Flynn is doing well.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL1m
    Rod Streater clanks on-side kick. Come on, Man, this is the Hands Team.

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL1m
    “@Nbell3: @CorkOnTheNFL Veldeer as monstrous in person as he looks in his infamous pic?” — Every bit.

  • inonewordraider

    Steve Corkran ‏@CorkOnTheNFL 1m
    “@Nbell3: @CorkOnTheNFL Veldeer as monstrous in person as he looks in his infamous pic?” — Every bit.

  • Thec

    They all are doing well…Some like TP better than the others…

  • the famous dr robert

    Whoknows Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Hey Dr, don’t you have a friend to attend to?
    *******
    Yeah I do u piece if sh1t. Leaving tomorrow.

    Why don’t u have a modicum of class u fvcking dick?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jerry McDonald‏@Jerrymcd22m
    Raiders typically feature inside runs on first team session. Not today. Flynn play-fake, perfect TD strike to Moore on post.

  • inonewordraider

    the famous dr robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    Inonewordraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    dr rob, looks like your boy mcgoin is in trouble

    looks like Flynn might be too…
    *******
    Sounds like Flynn is doing well.

    ___________
    even if he’s slightly more accurate coming out of preseason

    pryors speed arm strength and work ethic puts him over the top, no?

  • mcfadden20.

    Go A’s and Raiders

  • Whoknows

    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    Whoknows Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Hey Dr, don’t you have a friend to attend to?
    *******
    Yeah I do u piece if sh1t. Leaving tomorrow.

    Why don’t u have a modicum of class u fvcking dick?
    *********************
    Just checking…to make sure everything is ok and all.

  • Whoknows

    We will all miss you the next few days Dr.

  • the famous dr robert

    Inonewordraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    the famous dr robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    Inonewordraider Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    dr rob, looks like your boy mcgoin is in trouble

    looks like Flynn might be too…
    *******
    Sounds like Flynn is doing well.

    ___________
    even if he’s slightly more accurate coming out of preseason

    pryors speed arm strength and work ethic puts him over the top, no?
    ******
    Arm strength and work ethic? If those two things don’t actually combine to make u better than the other guy, then no.

    Flynn is a better PASSER. The end.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    like i tried to tell every one, the qbs will improve over time, they are learning a new offense and for flynn new teammates as well.

    pre season is where it will count

    so far it sounds as if we dispel the notion that pryor isnt accurate

    lol

  • the famous dr robert

    Whoknows Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    Whoknows Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    Hey Dr, don’t you have a friend to attend to?
    *******
    Yeah I do u piece if sh1t. Leaving tomorrow.

    Why don’t u have a modicum of class u fvcking dick?
    *********************
    Just checking…to make sure everything is ok and all.
    ******
    Look azz hole. U don’t have to like me. I couldn’t care less.

    But my best friends mom died prematurely and I knew her well. It’s a fvcking heartbreaking thing. And u wanna make stupid fvcking jokes and references to it.

    Ur a sh1tbag. Now fvck off. Go look at urself in the mirror.

  • Gdog

    the famous dr robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    I use organic popcorn and an air popper.

    Easy and quick and tastes great.

    Melt some butter in a little pan and drizzle.

    Best ever.

    >>>

    Nope…

    Stir crazy popper + coconut oil + Flavacol seasoning.

    Best popcorn ever made… Flavacol is the key. You have to order it online.

  • nycraider

    If you felt TP6 was more of a TE than a QB, if he’s competing with Flynn than what does it say about Flynn.

  • Marks hair

    one persons bs doesn’t make a buzz because the coaches have seen him play… I know you really want to be right about prior and right about your other quarterback predictions but so far they’ve just been terrible…