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Notes, quotes and observations from mini camp Day 2

It shouldn’t come as a great surprise that the Raiders quarterbacks performed better today, given there wasn’t much room to go but up. Even so, the quarterbacks looked as sharp, as a group, as they have all offseason.
It didn’t begin that way, to be fair. The first several throws left a lot to be desired and most of those, even ones that found the mark, lacked zip and a tight spiral.
Before long, something clicked and Matt Flynn seemed to find a comfortable rhythm, Terrelle Pryor dropped in a beauty to Andre Holmes 50 yards downfield and Tyler Wilson threaded a pass into tight coverage well downfield.
“The execution was better today,” coach Dennis Allen said. “Our guys, the one thing about them is, every time we challenge them, they come back and respond. So I was pleased with the way they practiced today.”
Allen was talking about his players, in general, but he could have said the same thing about a quarterback corps that looked as if they were practicing for the first time when they floundered Tuesday.

– Wide receivers Josh Cribbs and Isaiah Williams, fullback Jon Hoese, running back Latavius Murray, tight end Nick Kasa, linebacker Miles Burris, defensive tackles Johnny Jones and Stacy McGee and cornerbacks Coye Francies, D.J. Hayden and Taiwan Jones missed all or part of practice for the second straight day.
Murray made an appearance on the sideline. Afterward, Allen said Murray’s foot injury isn’t something that’s going to linger into training camp.
Cornerback Phillip Adams suffered a hamstring injury midway through practice and was escorted to the locker room. Fellow cornerback Michael Jenkins hurt his knee and didn’t finish practice, either.

– New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton said last week that he and Allen discussed the possibility of conducting joint practices before their exhibition game. Allen said Wednesday that it’s not apt to happen this time around.
“It’s something that we’ve talked about,” Allen said. “I don’t think that’s going to end up working out, but it is something that we kicked around, really both sides.”
Allen, of course, coached under Payton when both were with the Saints. In the past, the Raiders conducted joint practices with the Dallas Cowboys before exhibition games in Texas.

– If Allen is heaping praise upon a rookie, take note. Allen isn’t one to go overboard when talking about a young player.
On Wednesday, Allen raved about rookie linebacker Sio Moore way beyond what he typically does for a player that hasn’t established himself yet.
“I like Sio,” Allen said. “Sio’s a rookie, he makes some rookie mistakes. But he’s a big, powerful man. And he’s got a little bit of pass-rush ability to him. So, I like some of the flexibility that he gives us.”
But, wait, there’s more.
“What you look at is you look at football intelligence, and he’s got some football intelligence and some football savvy about him,” Allen said. “We got a big volume of stuff that we’re throwing at him and sometimes it can overload him. He’s a guy that continues to go out there and work every day. His work ethic and his understanding of the game of football is what’s going to allow him to be a good player for us.”
Moore is competing for a starting spot, along with Kaluka Maiava, Miles Burris and Kevin Burnett. Nick Roach is a lock as the middle linebacker.

– Safety Charles Woodson joined the Raiders late during offseason workouts. Even so, he wasted little time getting up to speed and acclimating himself to the Raiders defense.
“Wood’s been great,” Allen said. “He’s done everything that we’ve asked him to do. He’s really exactly what we felt we were going to be able to get in a player like that; a Hall of Fame-caliber player that’s made a lot of plays on the football over his career.
“We’re going to continue to ask him to do those things. As he’s gone throughout his career, he’s taken on more of a leadership role and he’s done a nice job in that regard for us.”
Woodson is expected to speak with the media Thursday. At that time, we’ll pass along Woodson’s thoughts on how things are going during his second stint with the Raiders.
Woodson is working with the Raiders first-team defense, alongside strong safety Tyvon Branch.

– Wilson fared somewhat better today, including one throw that he zipped 30 yards to a spot where Travionte Session could make a play in tight coverage.
Sure, he’s still prone to the occasional rookie mistake and consistency still is a work in progress, but Wilson carries himself in a way befitting a player with NFL experience.
“That’s one of the things about him,” Allen said. “He’s got some moxie to him. He’s got some savvyness to him. He still has a long way to go as far as learning the offense, learning the NFL game. But he’s a guy that hopefully we can develop and he can be better for us.”

– Allen admits that the Raiders checked into the possibility of signing a veteran wide receiver earlier this offseason.
Instead, they opted to see what they can get out of a corps that since has added Josh Cribbs, Brice Butler, Conner Vernon and Sam McGuffie.
“We looked to see what was available, really at all positions, but we got some young talent here,” Allen said. “Now we need somebody to step up and really separate themselves a little bit. But I like our receivers. I like the young talent that we have.”
That talent was on display today and Tuesday, with Butler, Vernon and McGuffie making impressive plays. All three have a legitimate shot to make the 53-man roster, behind locks Denarius Moore, Jacoby Ford, Rod Streater and Juron Criner.

– Very quietly, the Raiders are working more and more on different looks defensively. We’re not allowed to divulge much, but suffice that you’re going to see more three-man fronts and defensive linemen dropping into coverage.
A lack of dependable cornerbacks last season made it difficult for the Raiders to be as dynamic as defensive coordinator Jason Tarver and Allen envisioned.
As a result, the Raiders signed veterans Michael Jenkins and Tracy Porter and drafted D.J. Hayden in the first round. Their ability to hold up in coverage frees up other defenders to get after the quarterback.
“It’s a critical area of our football team,” Allen said. “The way the NFL is now, everything’s centered around the quarterback offensively, it’s centered around the quarterback defensively. What can you do to affect the quarterback, and that’s rush and coverage. We’ve got to be able to have both parts working together. Our coverage aspect is going to be able to help our rush this year.”
Several times the past two days, Porter and Jenkins flashed their ability to shadow receivers and get in position to intercept a pass, break it up or at least make it more difficult for the receiver.

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  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL1h
    Pryor on fire now. On the money for Travionte Session.

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    thanks cork

  • the famous dr robert

    I love how priest keeps saying people hate Pryor. Repeats it constantly.

    Talks about how “some posters” keep saying Pryor sucks repeatedly to try to sway opinion.

    Meanwhile he posts and posts about great Pryor is.

    The hypocrisy and dishonesty with him and missdick is unreal.

  • the famous dr robert

    Priesttj12 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien1m
    @TerrellePryor gets new nickname for his passes from teammates … “sputnik” #Raiders
    ************************************
    I guess he’s making a statement. Nice!
    ******
    Lol. Yeah. The statement is “check out those rainbows! They’re like Sputnik up there!”

  • The_Judge37

    900.willy91137 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    PrYor launches one for 60 yards T\D Al Davis is smiling
    ——–

    Al Davis called that one in from upstairs.

  • nycraider

    whats interesting is the Pryor to TE talk by some in here has ended. glad Pryor is getting better, hope Flynn and Wilson improve as well. We need someone to emerge as a good qb, not just better than the other two

  • Priesttj12

    Well it was a nice offseason workout. Now the deadzone starts, when it’s over we’ll be watching these guys for real. No more choreography sessions next time we hear form them it’ll be straight football……….period

  • The_Judge37

    906.Priesttj12 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    Well it was a nice offseason workout. Now the deadzone starts, when it’s over we’ll be watching these guys for real. No more choreography sessions next time we hear form them it’ll be straight football……….period
    ——-

    Actually, the next time we’ll hear from them is in about a month for Training Camp

  • J Hill

    Two very clear reasons. Our QB will prolly stink, and we almost certainly have the worst WRs in the NFL.

    ———————————————————–

    I’m not worried about the QB position.

    I DO share you concern about the WRs. If they step up and produce, this whole thing could be different.

  • the famous dr robert

    Marks Hair Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
    you have never rooted for pryor.. quit making s*** up just stand by your lame prognostications about your weak ass walk on white quarterbacks you love so much.. after months of reading your crap its pretty evident who you’re really cheering for
    ******
    Hey dick head. It has nothing to do with white or black. I’m the one who wanted geno smith.

    Don’t accuse me of that sh1t.

    I think Pryor sucks as a passer. Period.

    But I like him and have said repeatedly that I hope he proves me wrong.

    Go by what I SAY, not idiotic assumptions and gossip.

  • Priesttj12

    The_Judge37 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
    900.willy91137 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    PrYor launches one for 60 yards T\D Al Davis is smiling
    ——–

    Al Davis called that one in from upstairs.
    ********************************
    Ya’ just had to pull at my heartstrings didn’t ya’?

    The old man would’ve definitely cracked a wide smile on that one.

  • Priesttj12

    The_Judge37 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    906.Priesttj12 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
    Well it was a nice offseason workout. Now the deadzone starts, when it’s over we’ll be watching these guys for real. No more choreography sessions next time we hear form them it’ll be straight football……….period
    ——-

    Actually, the next time we’ll hear from them is in about a month for Training Camp
    **********************************
    Yeah! it’s starting to feel kinda nice….

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    I do know that Pryor has been quiet on instagram..

    all his activity the past few weeks was changing his PROFILE picture to a

    MALE LION in the Jungle

  • the famous dr robert

    I’m cheering for I think is the best qb to help the raiders.

    I feel that’s Flynn.

    If Pryor proves to be the best then so be it.

    I will root for him if he proves it.

    It’s called evaluation. In my opinion Pryor will never be a viable starting qb in the nfl.

    If he proves he is, then I will change my opinion.

    Get it straight jack azzes.

  • Gdog

    J Hill Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Two very clear reasons. Our QB will prolly stink, and we almost certainly have the worst WRs in the NFL.

    ———————————————————–

    I’m not worried about the QB position.

    >>>>

    WADR… that is kind of silly. All four QB’s together have what, 3? starts? All as backups.

    We could VERY easily be starting one of the worst QB’s in the entire league… simply because none have any experience. I don’t care what a QB does as a backup in a meaningless game. I want to see how they do starting 16 games…

  • hwnrdr

    You know, that thing about a qb with 1 start, 2 starts, no start…whatevers…everyone started from somewhere…

  • Gdog

    the famous dr robert Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Priesttj12 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
    Levi Damien‏@LeviDamien1m
    @TerrellePryor gets new nickname for his passes from teammates … “sputnik” #Raiders
    ************************************
    I guess he’s making a statement. Nice!
    ******
    Lol. Yeah. The statement is “check out those rainbows! They’re like Sputnik up there!”

    >>>

    Thats the same thing I thought of too. I have never seen anyone float so many passes. I guess I am just a “hater” too.

  • Marks hair

    you projected padron and McGloin would be out prior… and I know you don’t believe those predictions would come true so the only reason you said those things was to troll people.. and if padron and McGloin were black you would have chose someone else to use for your trolling..

    I’m not saying you’re racist I’m saying you’re a troll and you use race as your tool.

  • tonedeezy

    there are several veteran starter QBs who are clearly the front-runners for worst QB in the NFL.

    our corps may not be great, but there is a pretty low floor for them to work above…

  • Gdog

    hwnrdr Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    You know, that thing about a qb with 1 start, 2 starts, no start…whatevers…everyone started from somewhere…

    >>>>

    YUP. And most of them struggled at first. There’s an entire different mentality from being a backup in a meaningless game to carrying a team for 16 games.

    Most fail miserably. To ignore this is nothing more than Koolade drinking again.

    How many starters have we had that stunk since Gannon snapped his neck? A Raider fan should have this figured out by now one would think…

  • The_Judge37

    Dissapointed not to hear any mention of Jacoby Ford catching passes.

  • hwnrdr

    How many starters have we had that stunk since Gannon snapped his neck? A Raider fan should have this figured out by now one would think…

    Too many!

  • The_Judge37

    hwnrdr Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    How many starters have we had that stunk since Gannon snapped his neck? A Raider fan should have this figured out by now one would think…
    —-

    I’ll play: Collins, Brooks, McClown, Culpepper, Russell, Bruce, Soup, Boller, Palmer and Pryor

  • RaiderRockstar

    Dissapointed not to hear any mention of Jacoby Ford catching passes.

    ***

    @Judge

    not surprised – a football to Ford is like a chihuahua trying to catch a tennis ball #awkward

  • Raider E

    Add Walter to the list.

  • the famous dr robert

    Marks Hair Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    you projected padron and McGloin would be out prior… and I know you don’t believe those predictions would come true so the only reason you said those things was to troll people.. and if padron and McGloin were black you would have chose someone else to use for your trolling..

    I’m not saying you’re racist I’m saying you’re a troll and you use race as your tool.
    ********
    Listen. First of all it’s popular to have fun rooting for the last string qb.

    My support for Padron/McGloin is based on a couple things.

    1) just having fun
    2) honestly thinking they have some talent and being an optimistic raider fan
    3) messing with and needling the Pryor Brigade

    There’s truth in all of it.

    It’s fun to root for a guy like McGloin. He does have ability. And I do think he could be a better passer than Pryor, who I think is one of the worst nfl passers I’ve ever seen.

    This black/white thing is preposterous. A vicious slanderous rumor propagated by hateful people in response to me calling them idiots regarding Pryor. U helping spread that it CL to ur it makes u guilty of it too and God frowns upon rumor mongering if that means anything to u.

    If the UDFA qb we brought in was black, I would have done the same thing.

    Much of my facetiousness is taken as serious which is dumb.

    My honest opinion was set at 30%.

    That’s from me. Not gossip.

  • Raider E

    And Frye.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    For those of you actively handicapping the RAID QB competition based on media tweets…here’s something to consider.

    Have you read even one tweet about TP, MF or TW scrambling for a gain ?

    Any talk about a QB avoiding a sack, tucking it, and running ?

    No ?

    Care to guess why this hasn’t happened ?

    It’s bcz the QB’s are being told to sit in the pocket, make a read, and throw it.

    Maybe a roll out or two, but NO TUCK AND RUN.

    That’s where the RAIDS are at right now.

    OLSON and TITS don’t want to see their QB’s risking injury by running. Not now.

    When the real bullets start flying, you can bet your azz that a QBs ability to use his legs to extend plays and drives will be much more important and a factor to be considered than where the RAIDS are at NOW.

    If TP can show that he’s in the same ballpark as MF throwing the ball at THIS stage, he’s going to be even MORE DANGEROUS when he’s allowed to use his LEGS.

    Just a little helpful insight from your friend RM99.

  • RaiderRockstar

    #922

    nice memory Judge.

    didn’t Tui, Rob Johnson & Rick Mirer start a few games in 2003? even Tee Martin?

    you missed Andrew Walter. Matt Leinart

  • tonedeezy

    Tui started at least one game

  • J Hill

    WADR… that is kind of silly

    ———————————————————–

    I think one of these guys will be AT LEAST as good as Jason Campbell.

    That is not that hard to accomplish.

    Hit the open man, don’t turn the ball over.

    I have a “feeling” we are going to be ok at QB.

    Franchise type player??? Not at all.

    Again, just Jason Campbellesque, if you will.

  • the famous dr robert

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    Dissapointed not to hear any mention of Jacoby Ford catching passes.

    ***

    @Judge

    not surprised – a football to Ford is like a chihuahua trying to catch a tennis ball #awkward
    *******
    Lol. Does the chihuahua hurt his foot?

  • RaiderRockstar

    @Raider E

    Charlie Frye, good on ya . missed that one

    passed for 300+ yards in one game. got injured in the next – right?

    concussion from his former teammates Andra Davis!

  • Gdog

    hwnrdr Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    How many starters have we had that stunk since Gannon snapped his neck? A Raider fan should have this figured out by now one would think…

    Too many!

    >>>>

    The answer is ALL OF THEM, especially if you hated CP.

  • J Hill

    Dissapointed not to hear any mention of Jacoby Ford catching passes.

    ———————————————————–

    He’s being triple teamed.

  • R8ER MIKE

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    #922

    nice memory Judge.

    didn’t Tui, Rob Johnson & Rick Mirer start a few games in 2003? even Tee Martin?

    you missed Andrew Walter. Matt Leinart

    *******************************

  • hwnrdr

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    #922

    nice memory Judge.

    didn’t Tui, Rob Johnson & Rick Mirer start a few games in 2003? even Tee Martin?

    you missed Andrew Walter. Matt Leinart

    Ok, shoot…Rodney Peete, Tee Williams, and friggen Rick Mirer

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Pryor #1 yet?

  • http://microwave_economics 909RaiderLifer

    Levi Damien @LeviDamien 2h
    Dennis Allen working with DB’s as the QB. He’s got a pretty good arm. #Raiders

    “““““““““““““““““““““““““““`
    Camp arm?

    Or…..Competition?…

    Do the titties jiggle during the follow thru…

  • hwnrdr

    Sorry…haha…Tee Martin

  • Priesttj12

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    Dissapointed not to hear any mention of Jacoby Ford catching passes.

    ***

    @Judge

    not surprised – a football to Ford is like a chihuahua trying to catch a tennis ball #awkward
    **********************************
    Consider the sources……not much mention of anyone except the QB’s. I love the Bilukidi tweet when he forced Pryor to spike it. I think Bilukidi has some serious ability he could very well develope into something.

  • hwnrdr

    Gdog Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    hwnrdr Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    How many starters have we had that stunk since Gannon snapped his neck? A Raider fan should have this figured out by now one would think…

    Too many!

    >>>>

    The answer is ALL OF THEM, especially if you hated CP.

    I never hated CP3

  • hwnrdr

    not surprised – a football to Ford is like a chihuahua trying to catch a tennis ball #awkward
    LOL…wow!

  • Gdog

    J Hill Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    WADR… that is kind of silly

    ———————————————————–

    I think one of these guys will be AT LEAST as good as Jason Campbell.

    That is not that hard to accomplish.

    Hit the open man, don’t turn the ball over.

    I have a “feeling” we are going to be ok at QB.

    Franchise type player??? Not at all.

    Again, just Jason Campbellesque, if you will.

    >>>

    Ok.. fair enough. But do you remember how HORRIBLE he was early in 2010? Thats my point. Whomever our starter is he is almost certainly going to struggle for most of the year… maybe even getting benched like JC did…

  • Raider E

    The QB’s, WR’s, and DB’s are getting most of the work in team sessions because there is no contact. One doesn’t want to read tweets about Roach filling the proper gap or Veldeer and Cater hugging each other.

  • the famous dr robert

    The_Judge37 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
    hwnrdr Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
    How many starters have we had that stunk since Gannon snapped his neck? A Raider fan should have this figured out by now one would think…
    —-

    I’ll play: Collins, Brooks, McClown, Culpepper, Russell, Bruce, Soup, Boller, Palmer and Pryor
    ******
    I didn’t really like Collins.

    I was stoned about brooks cuz I liked him but he kinda just disappeared like smoke.

    Loved culpepper but we got him when he wasn’t the same unfortunately. But I was still excited when he got here.

  • Raider E

    *Carter

  • J Hill

    Doc Rivers to the Clippers????

    That would be a GREAT hire for the JV squad.

  • nycraider

    If our OL is average, our WR are below average and dont run good routes than having a QB who can make plays with his feet makes sense.Many of you tend to ignore one of Rich gannon’s best qualities, Running for it on third down

  • Priesttj12

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    June 13th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    For those of you actively handicapping the RAID QB competition based on media tweets…here’s something to consider.

    Have you read even one tweet about TP, MF or TW scrambling for a gain ?

    Any talk about a QB avoiding a sack, tucking it, and running ?

    No ?

    Care to guess why this hasn’t happened ?

    It’s bcz the QB’s are being told to sit in the pocket, make a read, and throw it.

    Maybe a roll out or two, but NO TUCK AND RUN.

    That’s where the RAIDS are at right now.

    OLSON and TITS don’t want to see their QB’s risking injury by running. Not now.

    When the real bullets start flying, you can bet your azz that a QBs ability to use his legs to extend plays and drives will be much more important and a factor to be considered than where the RAIDS are at NOW.

    If TP can show that he’s in the same ballpark as MF throwing the ball at THIS stage, he’s going to be even MORE DANGEROUS when he’s allowed to use his LEGS.
    *****************************************************
    RM99, they’re not allowed to in passing drills. They trying to get them solid in the passing schemes and reads. You’ll see plenty in camp, especially from you know who.

  • Gdog

    I never hated CP3

    >>>>

    There are so many that did I have a hard time remembering the ones that appreciated his efforts.

    If Raider fans hated CP’s performances, I can only imagine their patience with whoever wins this years job…