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Notes, quotes and observations from camp — Day 1

NAPA — The Raiders kicked off the training camp portion of their season Friday, with coach Dennis Allen and his players thrilled to be back in action and one day closer to the regular-season opener.
The players aren’t in full pads yet, so it’s difficult to glean much from the proceedings. However, Allen said that he is satisfied by what he saw from his players in their first practice since mid-June.
“For the first practice, I was pleased with what we were able to get done today,” Allen said. “Obviously, it’s the first step in a long journey, and we’ve got a lot of progress that we’ve got to make and we got a short time to get it done. Guys are working extremely hard to get that done.”
The pads go on Sunday, at which time the intensity will rise and the play more spirited. You can expect to see veteran defensive back Charles Woodson right in the thick of things, even if he is in his 16th season.
“They’re going to have to pull me off the field at times because I love being out there,” Woodson said. “This is a new defense for me, new calls. I want to be out there getting the calls and the communication down anyway. I’m going to work hard. I feel like there’s nobody who will outwork me.”
That’s the kind of talk Allen likes to hear, and it’s coming from the type of player that Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie want up and down their roster.
How it translates, time will tell. Allen admitted that “all of us have a long way to go.”

– Second-round draft pick Menelik Watson, second-year linebacker Miles Burris and veteran defensive tackle Pat Sims didn’t take part in practice Friday.
Watson and Burris worked with team trainers off to the side, while their teammates went through their paces on two adjacent fields.
Watson is on the non-football-injury list. Sims is on the physically unable to perform list. Coach Dennis Allen said he isn’t sure when either player will be cleared to practice with the team. Allen said both players suffered injuries recently, though he refused to go into detail.
As for Burris, he’s still recovering from offseason knee surgery. He is on the physically unable to perform list.

– Quarterback Terrelle Pryor had a pass intercepted by cornerback Michael Jenkins early in practice. He then rebounded with several well-placed passes, including a deep throw to wide receiver Rod Streater, who made an impressive leaping grab near the goal line despite tight coverage by cornerback Tracy Porter.

– Presumptive starting quarterback Matt Flynn looked sharp Friday, particularly during the 7-on-7 portion of drills.
Time and again, Flynn delivered the ball right on target, be it on short throws, medium routes, crossing routes, whatever. He completed all but one pass during three sessions.

– Rookie quarterback Tyler Wilson’s first training camp practice is one he would rather forget. At one point, he was intercepted three times in a four-pass span.
In Wilson’s defense, safety Cory Nelms made a spectacular play on a well-thrown pass for receiver Conner Vernon down the left sideline. Nelms arrived at the last second, leaped and snared the ball just before Vernon could get his hands on the ball.
Cornerback Joselio Hanson and safety Reggie Smith also registered interceptions. In other drills, Wilson made a handful of nice throws and showed nice zip on his passes.

– Joshua Cribbs practiced as a member of the Raiders for the first time since he signed a contract earlier this year. He still was recovering from a knee injury when he joined the Raiders.
Cribbs ran routes at wide receiver, fielded punts and everything else asked of him throughout the day.

– Second-year player Lucas Nix got the first call at left guard with the first-team offense. Fellow second-year player Tony Bergstrom has been splitting time with Nix at the position as they battle to see who is going to replace Cooper Carlisle.
Jared Veldheer, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Brisiel and Khalif Barnes manned the four other offensive line spots, from left to right. At one point, Alex Barron replaced Barnes.

– Kaluka Maiava was at the weak-side linebacker spot from the outset. Kevin Burnett also received some reps at that spot. It will be interesting to see how that position shakes out once Burris returns.
Nick Roach was with the first-team defense in the middle, with Sio Moore at the strong-side linebacker spot.

– Receiver Sam McGuffie, an undrafted rookie, also had a rough first day of camp. He dripped two catchable passes during one drill, then collided with safety Chance Casey while attempting to catch a pass on another play.

– Porter is wearing No. 31 after now that veteran safety Charles Woodson received No. 24.
Porter was assigned No. 24 when he signed with the Raiders. Once Woodson arrived, he pushed for the number he wore during his first stint with the Raiders.
At some point, the number was “taken” away from Porter, he said. Woodson said Friday that the fans deserve the credit.
“It was a big deal,” Woodson said. “I got the jersey back in large part because of the fans. A big thank you to the fans for that.”

– Speaking of Woodson, he said he is confident in rookie D.J. Hayden being a successful cornerback in the NFL because of Hayden’s footwork.
Woodson also heard what he was hoping to hear from Hayden during a lengthy conversation with Hayden during the offseason.
“I just asked him if he loved football,” Woodson said. “He said that he did. Really, for a young guy, that’s what you’re looking for, just a guy that loves football. We’re all going to make a lot of money once you get into this league. But what happens after you get the money. Do you still love to play the game? That’s the one thing I got from him, he loves football.”

– Today’s practice marked the first of attended by season-ticketholders. The Raiders granted all season-ticketholders a chance to sign up for the rights to tickets to one practice.

– General manager Reggie McKenzie spoke with a handful of media while Woodson spoke at the podium. Colleague Monte Poole was there for the entire McKenzie session, therefore I won’t steal his thunder in advance of his Sunday column.
However, I will pass along that McKenzie says the Raiders aren’t “too far away” from being a really good team and that he wants to see “good football” this year, first and foremost.

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  • Plunketthead

    Notice the staggered practice schedule?
    That will ensure we stomp a mudhole in those dern hoosiers and their opie taylor looking QB

  • J Hill

    Love the Pryor interview on Raiders.com

  • PlunkforHOF

    Hey Plunk #1… Were you blog banned or self-imposed exile?

  • PlunkforHOF

    Man only 13 days til the Cowgirls.. Woot!

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Meant to add that those fish populations will die out naturally, by and large ‘cuz they don’t spawn in lakes except brookies. So you just have to stop planting them. No need to go poisoning lakes, which is a bad idea.
    I want a list of lakes where the limits are waived to encourage ‘catch and keep’, not that I worry about it in the back country anyway. DFG not that ambitious.

  • Plunketthead

    I feel sorry for all the doubters. Humble pie packs the pounds on and I bet many of you are already on a diet from pounding the gullet.

  • The Big Banana

    “Ugh, can’t stand Soloman. Falls all over himself for just about every player and coach”

    Yeah I agree but no one is as bad as that fat ass Warren Sapp. Talk about no class bumbling moron talks loud over people make stupid faces and noises about as unprofessional as you can get.

    ——–

    Agreed. He’s a real treat. I don’t care for just about any of them to be honest, except for Howie. I know many of you didn’t like Madden, but he was alright with me. Maybe my homer coming out since I don’t mind Chuckie either.

    I guess there’s a theme there.

  • The Big Banana

    J Hill Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    Love the Pryor interview on Raiders.com

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    I think he has the goods to be a great leader.

  • Plunketthead

    Self imposed. I would refuse any other with a name change like ROG and Norco Boob

  • The Big Banana

    Plunketthead Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    I feel sorry for all the doubters. Humble pie packs the pounds on and I bet many of you are already on a diet from pounding the gullet.

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    Keep it up, Plunk. I’m on the fence for renewing my tix and I’ll take any Koolaid served up in here.

  • Plunketthead

    Bob not boob, well maybe.
    I bet he is still in the Hawaii jungle looking for some papaya and mango fruit

  • J Hill

    Pryor: I think that at the end of the day, it’s can you get the ball to where it is supposed to be, at the right time, in the right spot, and that’s what it is. It doesn’t matter about the arm, or the way you throw, it’s can you get the ball in the right spot at the right time.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Solomon is one of the few guys that doesn’t beat the shlt out of us on a daily basis. He’s also one of the few that bothers to know anything about our team. Most of the other guys just read a story or two then look like idiots, obviously not knowing anything about us. He’s a little cerebral and a little annoying, but any talking head that isn’t a Raider hater (Marshall Faulk is another one) is ok in my book. They r few and far between.

  • J Hill

    I think he has the goods to be a great leader.

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    I don’t think anyone doubts that.

  • Plunketthead

    I like TP’s drive and attitude. He would make a great leader for the team.

  • PlunkforHOF

    I wouldn’t want to change my handle.. Proud of it and truly believe in what it says.. Then again I’ve managed to not get banned, and I do like coming here.

    Warren Sapp is a loud mouthed A$$. Will never truly consider him a Raider. Randy Moss too.

    Always liked both Madden and Gruden, but that may be due to Raider geeking.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    KoolKell Says:
    Agreed. But, like I said a couple of weeks ago. I heard this same notion from a Front Office Guy I know at HQ. (not a football person)
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    KK on the horn with a ‘Front Office Guy’? Wait, Front Office Guy is FOG? On the horn?
    Foghorn Leghorn is KK’s inside man!
    Now listen, I say listen up here boy , you got it, I say you got it all wrong, son.

  • J Hill

    My main concern for the 2013 season is that Denver does not will the SB.

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    Well since we are winning our division, you don’t have much to worry about.

  • J Hill

    Q: Was there any particular part of your game during the offseason that you worked on and that right now you feel is tangibly better.

    Pryor: Absolutely. I went and worked out with a guy named Tom House. He’s [Tom] Brady and [Drew] Brees’… I’m sure you guys have heard of him, he’s a baseball pitcher. He’s a throwing mechanic freak. He breaks everything down scientifically, and I found out that I was leaving my chest open a lot so it was making me late. So when I was coming down to throw with my left arm, my right arm was saying it’s time to go, the timing wasn’t right. He kind of helped me with that. It’s definitely helping shoot the ball a lot more and better. My thing looking in the mirror last year was I need to be more accurate. That’s what it is and somewhere I have got to get there, and I will get there, and I’m getting close I can feel it.

    Q: Do you feel like you are more accurate than you were four or five months ago? And do you feel like you will be more accurate in four weeks?

    Pryor: Oh absolutely. I’m more accurate than I’ve ever been. I feel very confident about it.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    PlunkforHOF Says:
    Then again I’ve managed to not get banned, and I do like coming here.
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    I resemble that remark.

  • Raiders for life

    Purvis,
    I’ve been doing alot of research on the issue. Defend rural America is leading the charge against the Dept. of fish and wildlife. According to them this is just the first step of restricting access above 4500 feet or so.
    DRA wants to put a stop to this for several reasons:

    proper forest management including harvesting trees (logging) that would save thousands of foot acres of water and to prevent fire.

    I have a feeling if the Fed’s and the far left environmental groups win this round……it is just the beginning.

    Humans are not the reason for the amphibians decline. Another frog (African) spreads a fungus that kills the native frogs and toads. Also, all three species eat each other. The planting of trout obviously did not help. I to love fishing in the High Sierra alpine lakes but I’m more of a stream fisher.

  • Plunketthead

    One thing is for sure and it has not happened since my boy entered the game. :smile:

    The Nation will go nuts when TP enters or starts again. It will be exciting to see if he pulls it off

  • PlunkforHOF

    Re: Pryor.. I would love nothing better than TP6 seizing the QB job and marching us to the playoffs. I will be cheering my butt off for him. I feel the same about Flynn and Wilson. They are all QBs for the Silver and Black. I hope they ALL kick major booty in preseason and DA has a super tough choice on who to start. That will mean we have a stud at backup.

  • Plunketthead

    I did not lose my temper or say anything too lame. I just took a break. This place can turn your mind into a sewer if you play along with the goobers.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Andre Gurode ?

    Hmmm.

    This signing means very little if it’s just for DEPTH purposes.

    But if GURODE is to get considerable playing time, this move is more significant and has more implications than one might think.

    If Gurode indeed plays Center, it’s an indication the RAIDS are NOT comfortable with WIZ long term at Center.

    Many observers feel WIZ is better at Guard.

    Perhaps there is dissatisfaction with his straight ahead power in the run game. Maybe there’s a sense he doesn’t do a great job as a signal caller (ie. blitz/stunt pickup assignments).

    Or maybe it’s less of a statement about WIZ than it is about BERGSTROM.

    RAIDS might suspect they have a turkey on their hands in BERGS. This is an older cat that was drafted to replace BARNES, but wound up sitting behind WILLIE SMITH. Now it seems he’s moving to Guard, (no longer any talk of him at Tackle), and apparently he’s less than secure at Guard.

    Not good for a 26 year old sophomore.

    Gurode might be camp fodder or strictly a depth signing – but if not, there is more to this signing than meets the eye.

  • Plunketthead

    I will bet its about depth. Reggie has stated that as one of his main goals.

  • J Hill

    Or maybe it’s less of a statement about WIZ than it is about BERGSTROM.

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    I’m leaning here.

    Especially since he’s 2nd string still.

  • PlunkforHOF

    Everyone say a prayer, knock on wood, or wave a bag of chicken bones over your head that we make it through camp without major injury.

  • Raiders for life

    RM99
    very good point.
    Bergs and Nix were splitting time at LG yesterday. Maybe Bergstrom just doesn’t get it. He could end up a back up or a wasted pick.

  • Beeeeeech Dawg N Full Effect

    YO, Whut up Party Nerds

    The Dawg got hella wasted last night but, for the first time, did not allow a hizzy to rub his weiner into enormous mayonnaise explosion

    Instead he took his girlfriend Monique on a romantic stroll down the harbor

    Where she broke up with the Dawg

    Guess she found 17 used Magnums in my hidden trophy case, all signed by different friends of hers from Spearmint Rhino.

    Totally sucked ballz, she was crying so hard and didn’t even go for the “It’s not me, it’s you” speeech

    So she took off for her ex-boyfriend’s house (he’s a cholo) and left the Dawg to aimlessly wander the grounds of the Ritz with only his thoughts and emotions as companions

    Soon he got tired of that, met this hot MILF in the pool and took her back to the room for backdoor penetration and extended salad tossing

    Guess that’s really why they call it the blues, huh

    WRECKS NOT N EFFECT

  • SnBG

    Maybe Gurode is a backup because he can play 2 or 3 different positions on the line. Briesel was injured last year and still filled in for others. I wouldn’t read to much into his signing other than he’s here for depth.

  • 0ak r8rs

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
    Andre Gurode ?

    Hmmm.

    This signing means very little if it’s just for DEPTH purposes.

    But if GURODE is to get considerable playing time, this move is more significant and has more implications than one might think.

    If Gurode indeed plays Center, it’s an indication the RAIDS are NOT comfortable with WIZ long term at Center.

    Many observers feel WIZ is better at Guard.

    Perhaps there is dissatisfaction with his straight ahead power in the run game. Maybe there’s a sense he doesn’t do a great job as a signal caller (ie. blitz/stunt pickup assignments).

    Or maybe it’s less of a statement about WIZ than it is about BERGSTROM.

    RAIDS might suspect they have a turkey on their hands in BERGS. This is an older cat that was drafted to replace BARNES, but wound up sitting behind WILLIE SMITH. Now it seems he’s moving to Guard, (no longer any talk of him at Tackle), and apparently he’s less than secure at Guard.

    Not good for a 26 year old sophomore.

    Gurode might be camp fodder or strictly a depth signing – but if not, there is more to this signing than meets the eye.

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    Seems like Al’s gone but the drafts have stayed the same. Bergstom was old (although for an OL that’s not really the end of the world). But worse than that, he was our “number one” draft pick (99th in reality) and he was chosen because of the zbs that we were planning to move to. Additionally, he was a tackle in college that virtually everyone projected as a guard in the NFL. So basically, he wasn’t good enough at his position in college, where the competition isn’t half what it is in the NFL, and now we r gonna draft him and move him? And like someone else said, he can’t get last Willie friggin smith? The worst right tackle in the league as far as I’m concerned.

    This is looking like a bad pick. A guy that is not even close to dominating in any way that we can see. Can’t play tackle in the NFL. Doesn’t seem to be catching anyone’s eye at guard and is getting older by the minute. There were alot of OL on the board rated higher than bergstrom at the time. But bergs is a character guy. I like character. I like guys that love football. But it’s just as important that they can actually PLAY football. Otherwise none of that other stuff really matters much, does it?

  • PlunkforHOF

    The Pathos of the Beeech.

  • PlunkforHOF
  • RAIDERMAN99

    J Hill Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    This whole notion of a “Pryor package” is ridiculous!

    If he’s good enough to play on 3rd down and in the red zone, frickin’ start him already.
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    Have to disagree with this.

    You know where I stand on TP. I was among the first urging the RAIDS to move on from Palmer and give TP a shot.

    However, IMO a ‘TP package’ is a very good thing even if he’s not the immediate starter.

    If there are situations when his unique skill set makes TP more likely to convert a 3rd down or get in the end-zone – then I want to see the coaches have a package designed to do just that and get TP on the field.

    TITS mantra this whole offseason has been to put players in a position to succeed.

    Time for TITS to back up his talk.

    That means not only having ‘packages’ for TP, but more importantly – making sure TP isn’t expected to run the same exact offensive scheme and design as MATT FLYNN.

    You’d better hope that OLSON understands this, bcz after last year’s KRAPP debacle there’s every reason to believe TITS doesn’t have a fkng clue about how to run an offense which maximizes indivisual or team offensive production.

  • J Hill

    For a guy that was essentially the 1st pick of rd FOUR, why would we expect domination?

  • J Hill

    99,

    In other words, if Flynn isn’t good enough to play in the red zone or 3rd downs, then start the guy who is.

    I just can’t get my arms around pulling your starter for any other reason than he sucks.

  • 0ak r8rs

    PlunkforHOF Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    Interesting and slightly depressing read:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tale-two-training-camps-2003-2013-oakland-raiders-163800039.html

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    Always hated that clueless @sshole Callahan.

  • SnBG

    Bergs was considered one of the best ZBS gaurds in the draft but he himself doesn’t really understand why he got labeled as a ZBS guy. He has said he played a lot of pro scheme and in fact he has said they were really a pro scheme line in collage. Plus the Raiders drafted him to be the LG.

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    SnBG Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Bergs was considered one of the best ZBS gaurds in the draft but he himself doesn’t really understand why he got labeled as a ZBS guy. He has said he played a lot of pro scheme and in fact he has said they were really a pro scheme line in collage. Plus the Raiders drafted him to be the LG.

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    We’ll know more about the LG and TE situations today. If Berg is the starting LG today, it means he and Nix are fighting it out, and someone had to run with the #1′s yesterday. If it’s Nix again, it means he’s the starter for now.

    Same thing with TE and Gordon.

  • 0ak r8rs

    J Hill Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    For a guy that was essentially the 1st pick of rd FOUR, why would we expect domination?

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    Maybe domination is a little strong. But he doesn’t seem to be doing ANYTHING. And there r positions on this line up for grabs. It’s not like we have a line full of pro bowlers. And to me it’s not as much about “why isn’t he dominating” it’s more about “kinda saw this coming.”

  • SilverLining20

    Got the hookup on the Nike jerseys.
    Puttin my money and faith in Hayden for my home black.
    Away white..Kluwe, Pryor, Houston, FLYNN??

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    New Post.

  • SnBG

    We’ll know more about the LG and TE situations today. If Berg is the starting LG today, it means he and Nix are fighting it out, and someone had to run with the #1’s yesterday. If it’s Nix again, it means he’s the starter for now.

    Same thing with TE and Gordon.
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    I would disagree with that. Coaches are just getting looks at players. IMO Bergs and Nix are in competition but it doesn’t mean a whole lot right now who really will be the training camp starter for now let alone the season starter. Both will get plenty of reps. As far as Gordon I don’t see him being a starter on this team at all.

  • 0ak r8rs

    SilverLining20 Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Got the hookup on the Nike jerseys.
    Puttin my money and faith in Hayden for my home black.
    Away white..Kluwe, Pryor, Houston, FLYNN??

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    It’s your money, dude. But there r only two punters jerseys I would ever consider wearing. And Kluwe wouldn’t be one of them. Haha

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Raiders for life Says:
    Purvis,
    I’ve been doing alot of research on the issue. Defend rural America is leading the charge against the Dept. of fish and wildlife. According to them this is just the first step of restricting access above 4500 feet or so.
    DRA wants to put a stop to this for several reasons:

    proper forest management including harvesting trees (logging) that would save thousands of foot acres of water and to prevent fire.
    ======================================================

    I’ve seen that allegation but nothing to support it. Would obviously be opposed to it.
    I’m not an anti logging environmental extremist(general contractor nailing wood together most of my life) but proper forest management is leaving it the f alone. supposed ‘reforestation’ is nothing more than christmas tree farms. Which is fine. Properly manage those and it’s a renewable resource.
    Actually there are some reforestation efforts that strive for the diversity native to the area, but I’m not aware of any logging companies doing that.
    Anyway, it’s way too complex to get into in depth here.
    I have enough trouble figuring out what the Raiders are doing.

  • SnBG

    Maybe domination is a little strong. But he doesn’t seem to be doing ANYTHING. And there r positions on this line up for grabs. It’s not like we have a line full of pro bowlers. And to me it’s not as much about “why isn’t he dominating” it’s more about “kinda saw this coming.”
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    Not sure what you thought you saw coming. Bergs played a lot of power in a power offense in collage at T. He transitioned into the NFL as a LG in the ZBS. The ZBS is a lot harder for a rookie to pick up than the power scheme. This is really his first year in a scheme he understands with a great O line coach. Jeese,,,,give the guy a break.

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