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Notes, quotes and observations from camp — Day 1

NAPA — The Raiders kicked off the training camp portion of their season Friday, with coach Dennis Allen and his players thrilled to be back in action and one day closer to the regular-season opener.
The players aren’t in full pads yet, so it’s difficult to glean much from the proceedings. However, Allen said that he is satisfied by what he saw from his players in their first practice since mid-June.
“For the first practice, I was pleased with what we were able to get done today,” Allen said. “Obviously, it’s the first step in a long journey, and we’ve got a lot of progress that we’ve got to make and we got a short time to get it done. Guys are working extremely hard to get that done.”
The pads go on Sunday, at which time the intensity will rise and the play more spirited. You can expect to see veteran defensive back Charles Woodson right in the thick of things, even if he is in his 16th season.
“They’re going to have to pull me off the field at times because I love being out there,” Woodson said. “This is a new defense for me, new calls. I want to be out there getting the calls and the communication down anyway. I’m going to work hard. I feel like there’s nobody who will outwork me.”
That’s the kind of talk Allen likes to hear, and it’s coming from the type of player that Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie want up and down their roster.
How it translates, time will tell. Allen admitted that “all of us have a long way to go.”

– Second-round draft pick Menelik Watson, second-year linebacker Miles Burris and veteran defensive tackle Pat Sims didn’t take part in practice Friday.
Watson and Burris worked with team trainers off to the side, while their teammates went through their paces on two adjacent fields.
Watson is on the non-football-injury list. Sims is on the physically unable to perform list. Coach Dennis Allen said he isn’t sure when either player will be cleared to practice with the team. Allen said both players suffered injuries recently, though he refused to go into detail.
As for Burris, he’s still recovering from offseason knee surgery. He is on the physically unable to perform list.

– Quarterback Terrelle Pryor had a pass intercepted by cornerback Michael Jenkins early in practice. He then rebounded with several well-placed passes, including a deep throw to wide receiver Rod Streater, who made an impressive leaping grab near the goal line despite tight coverage by cornerback Tracy Porter.

– Presumptive starting quarterback Matt Flynn looked sharp Friday, particularly during the 7-on-7 portion of drills.
Time and again, Flynn delivered the ball right on target, be it on short throws, medium routes, crossing routes, whatever. He completed all but one pass during three sessions.

– Rookie quarterback Tyler Wilson’s first training camp practice is one he would rather forget. At one point, he was intercepted three times in a four-pass span.
In Wilson’s defense, safety Cory Nelms made a spectacular play on a well-thrown pass for receiver Conner Vernon down the left sideline. Nelms arrived at the last second, leaped and snared the ball just before Vernon could get his hands on the ball.
Cornerback Joselio Hanson and safety Reggie Smith also registered interceptions. In other drills, Wilson made a handful of nice throws and showed nice zip on his passes.

– Joshua Cribbs practiced as a member of the Raiders for the first time since he signed a contract earlier this year. He still was recovering from a knee injury when he joined the Raiders.
Cribbs ran routes at wide receiver, fielded punts and everything else asked of him throughout the day.

– Second-year player Lucas Nix got the first call at left guard with the first-team offense. Fellow second-year player Tony Bergstrom has been splitting time with Nix at the position as they battle to see who is going to replace Cooper Carlisle.
Jared Veldheer, Stefen Wisniewski, Mike Brisiel and Khalif Barnes manned the four other offensive line spots, from left to right. At one point, Alex Barron replaced Barnes.

– Kaluka Maiava was at the weak-side linebacker spot from the outset. Kevin Burnett also received some reps at that spot. It will be interesting to see how that position shakes out once Burris returns.
Nick Roach was with the first-team defense in the middle, with Sio Moore at the strong-side linebacker spot.

– Receiver Sam McGuffie, an undrafted rookie, also had a rough first day of camp. He dripped two catchable passes during one drill, then collided with safety Chance Casey while attempting to catch a pass on another play.

– Porter is wearing No. 31 after now that veteran safety Charles Woodson received No. 24.
Porter was assigned No. 24 when he signed with the Raiders. Once Woodson arrived, he pushed for the number he wore during his first stint with the Raiders.
At some point, the number was “taken” away from Porter, he said. Woodson said Friday that the fans deserve the credit.
“It was a big deal,” Woodson said. “I got the jersey back in large part because of the fans. A big thank you to the fans for that.”

– Speaking of Woodson, he said he is confident in rookie D.J. Hayden being a successful cornerback in the NFL because of Hayden’s footwork.
Woodson also heard what he was hoping to hear from Hayden during a lengthy conversation with Hayden during the offseason.
“I just asked him if he loved football,” Woodson said. “He said that he did. Really, for a young guy, that’s what you’re looking for, just a guy that loves football. We’re all going to make a lot of money once you get into this league. But what happens after you get the money. Do you still love to play the game? That’s the one thing I got from him, he loves football.”

– Today’s practice marked the first of attended by season-ticketholders. The Raiders granted all season-ticketholders a chance to sign up for the rights to tickets to one practice.

– General manager Reggie McKenzie spoke with a handful of media while Woodson spoke at the podium. Colleague Monte Poole was there for the entire McKenzie session, therefore I won’t steal his thunder in advance of his Sunday column.
However, I will pass along that McKenzie says the Raiders aren’t “too far away” from being a really good team and that he wants to see “good football” this year, first and foremost.

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  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Dakota Says:

    I am a 27 year old about to be very rich athlete…..hmmmm, do I want to live in LA or Oakland?

    come on.
    ===================================================

    Don’t think Oakland. Think San Francisco. But if you’ve not been to either and feel that way, maybe some of them would as well.

  • DJ Johnny

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 8:28 am
    If we can just hover around .500 for the Turkey day game, I will be please as punch.

    Even if we lose the final 5 games of the season

    I would like to WIN that Turkey day game.

    I don’t like the Cowboys.

  • Dakota

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:00 am
    Dakota Says:

    I am a 27 year old about to be very rich athlete…..hmmmm, do I want to live in LA or Oakland?

    come on.
    ===================================================

    Don’t think Oakland. Think San Francisco. But if you’ve not been to either and feel that way, maybe some of them would as well.
    ____________

    If you have to sell your city by pointing out another city then you have already lost.

    LA Raiders in a new stadium will work for everyone.

    I don’t care where they play so long as they win…..

  • willy91137

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 8:35 am
    Good Morning, Willy.
    How you doing this weekend?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Doing great waiting for some news out training camp what time do they start today

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Don’t be silly…..you know he has talent so you lock him up for a few years at a reasonable rate when his market value is down and hope that things get right and if they do you have a steal…..if not you cut him and his salary.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Extend his contract and HOPE that things get right, and you think I’m SILLY?
    Podunkian logic at its best.
    Give him more money and hope he is good and healthy because he flashed talent before his major injury.
    Excellent logic.
    I’m glad you are not our GM.

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:05 am
    Don’t be silly…..you know he has talent so you lock him up for a few years at a reasonable rate when his market value is down and hope that things get right and if they do you have a steal…..if not you cut him and his salary.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Extend his contract and HOPE that things get right, and you think I’m SILLY?
    Podunkian logic at its best.
    Give him more money and hope he is good and healthy because he flashed talent before his major injury.
    Excellent logic.
    I’m glad you are not our GM.
    ______

    You want to see McFadden go elsewhere and break out ala C. Woodson who was injury prone here? It is well worth the risk….and in case you didn’t know, NFL contracts are not guaranteed. If this was an NBA player or MLB player it would not be worth the risk.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:

    Never, ever, ever, play for draft position. You play to win every time out.
    ——–
    Dakota Says:

    Yeah right.

    Last game of the year against the Broncos and if you lose you get the chance to draft the next Luck or RGIII, and if you win you don’t, you damned well better be throwing that game.
    =====================================================

    Well, in that scenario, I’d have to say;

    Never, ever, ever, play for draft position. You play to win every time out.

    Realistically, the coach might want to ‘take a look at’ some of his younger players, or some of the vets are ‘a little nicked up’ but the boys on the field better be playing to win, coach and draft be damned.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    What if things don’t get right Dakota? What then? Another overpaid player?
    No thank you. Wait a year, see if he is healthy and capable, and then give him a good contract (MV) when you have a lot of cap room.

  • Dakota

    Well, in that scenario, I’d have to say;

    Never, ever, ever, play for draft position. You play to win every time out.
    +++++++++

    That’s just crazy talk.

  • willy91137

    I am a 27 year old about to be very rich athlete…..hmmmm, do I want to live in LA or Oakland?
    %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%@Willy
    If I was 27 years old and had $11 million I wouldn’t care where I lived anywhere I wanted to

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Raider O Says:
    Welcome back Llama Man.
    =======================================================

    Thank you. Sorry, just backtracked to see when you checked in ‘cuz I was going to say hello.
    I’d ask how you’ve been, but I’ve been here the whole time, just not posting.

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:10 am
    What if things don’t get right Dakota? What then? Another overpaid player?
    No thank you. Wait a year, see if he is healthy and capable, and then give him a good contract (MV) when you have a lot of cap room.
    ______

    I thought you worked with money?

    Why would you not sign him when his value is low? Why wait and see if he bounces back and then pay him more money despite the same injury risk?

    In my scenario if he plays well you have him at a low contract number. If not he is cut. In your scenario if he plays well we have him at a high contract number. If not he is cut.

    I am surprised that you don’t get this.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    You want to see McFadden go elsewhere and break out ala C. Woodson who was injury prone here? It is well worth the risk….and in case you didn’t know, NFL contracts are not guaranteed. If this was an NBA player or MLB player it would not be worth the risk.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We franchised Woodson, and we can franchise DMC if we need to. Woodson was franchised twice, but he was done here. Sometimes players need a fresh start.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Willy with words of wisdom!

  • Dakota

    Not to mention the fact that if you lock him up now you get rid of the risk of him having a good year and then leaving us for a legit NFL team in the offseason.

  • SnBG

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 8:58 am
    SnBG Says:
    Flynn thew an INT every 28 throws. He can get better with that and cut those down.
    ===================================================

    Out of what? around 150 passes?
    That’s called a statistically insignificant sampling.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    It’s all we got bro.

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:13 am
    You want to see McFadden go elsewhere and break out ala C. Woodson who was injury prone here? It is well worth the risk….and in case you didn’t know, NFL contracts are not guaranteed. If this was an NBA player or MLB player it would not be worth the risk.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We franchised Woodson, and we can franchise DMC if we need to. Woodson was franchised twice, but he was done here. Sometimes players need a fresh start.
    _______

    lol why would you franchise him and take up that much cap space? smh thank god YOU are not our GM.

  • irjonny

    hey nation…been awhile.

    first off i think having mcfadden on his rookie contract this year is the right thing to do. if we extended him this year and he blew it up it would just be a holdout next year like chris johnson. make him earn it

  • SnBG

    I say wait on DMC before we sign him to anything. Even if we sign him next year after he has a good year what’s to say he won’t get injured again next year. Some guys are just prone to injuries.

  • Dakota

    If McFadden plays well this season the rest of the team and the coaching staff still suck….so he will walk and we will have to watch him succeed elsewhere like Moss and Woodson.

  • SnBG

    BTW, yes NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed, that’s why guys want big signing bonuses. DMCs agent will want a big bonus for his client.

  • SnBG

    Moss was a POS for us.

  • Dakota

    SnBG Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:24 am
    BTW, yes NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed, that’s why guys want big signing bonuses. DMCs agent will want a big bonus for his client.
    ________

    Like I said in my first post about this….his agent may have stopped any contract talks because he would rather gamble on a big year and a better contract.

    But if our GM didn’t even try he is the moron that many in here have labeled him.

    I am still on the fence with Reggie.

  • willy91137

    the way to play DMC is to limit his touches in the first half of the season

    and the second half when the weather is bad then you can turn him loose

    all players break down if we were a playoff team you would keep the touches down

    until the playoffs

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I thought you worked with money?

    Why would you not sign him when his value is low? Why wait and see if he bounces back and then pay him more money despite the same injury risk?

    In my scenario if he plays well you have him at a low contract number. If not he is cut. In your scenario if he plays well we have him at a high contract number. If not he is cut.

    I am surprised that you don’t get this.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I’m not surprised that you don’t get this since you are not a finance (money) guy.
    His value is down for a reason. You are taking a lot of risk if you sign him now, and that’s why his value is down. You are being compensated for the risk you are taking. IMO it’s too risky.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Dakota, from aout 1980 til moving north in ’92, my friends and I had football pools where you pick every game, every week of regular season for a pot of 500 to 1,000 bucks with the winner getting the lion’s share.
    Many times there were games late season where one team had zero incentive to win, and draft position to lose.
    I mean zero. Not playing spoiler for a divisional foe, or even conference foe.
    And they’re playing a good team playing for the post season. No brainer, right?
    Got burned thinking that way all too often.
    You always play to win the game.
    Not saying it doesn’t happen, like KC and Indy, but it’s a pzzy move in my opinion, and I think most coaches agree.
    Play to win, and let the chips fall where they may.
    OK, I’ll get off my soapbox now.

  • Dakota

    SnBG Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:26 am
    Moss was a POS for us.
    +++++

    That was Al’s fault not the players. Everyone knew what Moss was when we traded for him. You don’t buy a Porsche and then get pissed when it doesn’t run well on gravel roads.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Dakota Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:17 am
    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:13 am
    You want to see McFadden go elsewhere and break out ala C. Woodson who was injury prone here? It is well worth the risk….and in case you didn’t know, NFL contracts are not guaranteed. If this was an NBA player or MLB player it would not be worth the risk.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We franchised Woodson, and we can franchise DMC if we need to. Woodson was franchised twice, but he was done here. Sometimes players need a fresh start.
    _______

    lol why would you franchise him and take up that much cap space? smh thank god YOU are not our GM.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    I said “if we need to”.
    Another poster with selective reading disease. lol

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    I thought you worked with money?

    Why would you not sign him when his value is low? Why wait and see if he bounces back and then pay him more money despite the same injury risk?

    In my scenario if he plays well you have him at a low contract number. If not he is cut. In your scenario if he plays well we have him at a high contract number. If not he is cut.

    I am surprised that you don’t get this.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I’m not surprised that you don’t get this since you are not a finance (money) guy.
    His value is down for a reason. You are taking a lot of risk if you sign him now, and that’s why his value is down. You are being compensated for the risk you are taking. IMO it’s too risky.
    +++++++

    non-guaranteed contract……very little risk.

    Yikes. I am starting to get a little worried about you O.

  • willy91137

    Herm Edwards YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Dakota Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am
    Not to mention the fact that if you lock him up now you get rid of the risk of him having a good year and then leaving us for a legit NFL team in the offseason.
    $$$$$$$$$$$

    He can’t leave us if we don’t allow him. We can franchise him.

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    Dakota Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:17 am
    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:13 am
    You want to see McFadden go elsewhere and break out ala C. Woodson who was injury prone here? It is well worth the risk….and in case you didn’t know, NFL contracts are not guaranteed. If this was an NBA player or MLB player it would not be worth the risk.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We franchised Woodson, and we can franchise DMC if we need to. Woodson was franchised twice, but he was done here. Sometimes players need a fresh start.
    _______

    lol why would you franchise him and take up that much cap space? smh thank god YOU are not our GM.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    I said “if we need to”.
    Another poster with selective reading disease. lol
    +++++++++++++

    By letting it get that far you are positioning yourself to “need to”.

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:33 am
    Dakota Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am
    Not to mention the fact that if you lock him up now you get rid of the risk of him having a good year and then leaving us for a legit NFL team in the offseason.
    $$$$$$$$$$$

    He can’t leave us if we don’t allow him. We can franchise him.
    ++++++

    Maybe you don’t understand what a franchise tag means? It means ever dollar of his salary counts against the salary cap. That is a brilliant idea!

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    non-guaranteed contract……very little risk.

    Yikes. I am starting to get a little worried about you O.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    So you are saying DMC and his agent are willing to sign a LT contract with no guaranteed money?
    I see…….

  • Dakota

    willy91137 Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
    Herm Edwards YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME
    ++++++

    Not if you are smart and can see the long-term picture.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Dakota Says:
    If you have to sell your city by pointing out another city then you have already lost.
    ===================================================

    I’m thinking you haven’t been to either. You’re talking imaginary lines on a map. Greater LA and greater Bay Area one vast urban sprawl, except Bay Area prettier with better weather in my opinion. The rich area where you live, the diversions available, the stadium you play at, and the place you practice, no discernable difference.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Maybe you don’t understand what a franchise tag means? It means ever dollar of his salary counts against the salary cap. That is a brilliant idea!
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We have 50+ million in cap space. We can afford it. Font forget players rather have a LT deal over the franchise tag.

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    non-guaranteed contract……very little risk.

    Yikes. I am starting to get a little worried about you O.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    So you are saying DMC and his agent are willing to sign a LT contract with no guaranteed money?
    I see…….
    ++++++++++++++

    Like I said from the beginning….the agent may have not allowed McFadden to sign a deal. My point is our fking GM better have tried to get a deal done.

    Can’t you track a conversation?

  • willy91137

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    non-guaranteed contract……very little risk.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    There’s not too many of those in the NFL guaranteed money is how football players get paid

    Reggie tried to get Carson Palmer to sign a contract with no guarantees

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Don’t*

  • Dakota

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:37 am
    Dakota Says:
    If you have to sell your city by pointing out another city then you have already lost.
    ===================================================

    I’m thinking you haven’t been to either. You’re talking imaginary lines on a map. Greater LA and greater Bay Area one vast urban sprawl, except Bay Area prettier with better weather in my opinion. The rich area where you live, the diversions available, the stadium you play at, and the place you practice, no discernable difference.
    +++++++++++++

    Is that why all the NBA players flock to the Warriors?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Willy91137 Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am
    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    non-guaranteed contract……very little risk.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    There’s not too many of those in the NFL guaranteed money is how football players get paid

    Reggie tried to get Carson Palmer to sign a contract with no guarantees
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    No way a talented player with options will sign a non guaranteed contract.

  • SnBG

    The Raiders want to stay in Oakland.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Don’t like the franchise idea either. But if he winds up in a boot again, you let him walk(pardon the pun). Probably winds up close to a push, money/capwise, maybe even cheaper, depending on how much gauranteed money/bonus his contract called for.
    Players do tend to be less than thrilled with the franchise tag.

  • Dakota

    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:41 am
    Willy91137 Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am
    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    non-guaranteed contract……very little risk.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    There’s not too many of those in the NFL guaranteed money is how football players get paid

    Reggie tried to get Carson Palmer to sign a contract with no guarantees
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    No way a talented player with options will sign a non guaranteed contract.
    +++++++++++

    The up front money would be guaranteed as with all contracts…..you poor people think Matt Ryan’s $100 million is fully guaranteed?

    If you sign McFadden today you spend less guaranteed money on him than if you wait until next offseason if he has a good year.

  • SnBG

    I agree, if DMC does well then we can franchise him and try and work out a reasonable contract with him before the deadline. Of course if he gets hurt again this year or doesn’t perform then all of this talk is academic.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Like I said from the beginning….the agent may have not allowed McFadden to sign a deal. My point is our fking GM better have tried to get a deal done.

    Can’t you track a conversation?
    $$$$$$$$$$$

    I guess not.
    I think my conversation tracking skills are as bad as your comprehension skills.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Dakota Says:
    Is that why all the NBA players flock to the Warriors?
    ===================================================

    C’mon Dakota. The quality of the team factors in, also.
    I imagine Green Bay is a tempting destination, and though I’ve not been there, I doubt it’s due to the location. Unless you like ice fishing. Which you can do not far from Oakland as well!

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Dakota Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:44 am
    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:41 am
    Willy91137 Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am
    Raider O Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    non-guaranteed contract……very little risk.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    There’s not too many of those in the NFL guaranteed money is how football players get paid

    Reggie tried to get Carson Palmer to sign a contract with no guarantees
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    No way a talented player with options will sign a non guaranteed contract.
    +++++++++++

    The up front money would be guaranteed as with all contracts…..you poor people think Matt Ryan’s $100 million is fully guaranteed?

    If you sign McFadden today you spend less guaranteed money on him than if you wait until next offseason if he has a good year.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    59 million is guaranteed.
    So now you are saying there is guaranteed money?
    You are as wishy washy as the liar titty monkey aka DA.

  • Dakota

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 9:47 am
    Dakota Says:
    Is that why all the NBA players flock to the Warriors?
    ===================================================

    C’mon Dakota. The quality of the team factors in, also.
    I imagine Green Bay is a tempting destination, and though I’ve not been there, I doubt it’s due to the location. Unless you like ice fishing. Which you can do not far from Oakland as well!

    +++++++++++

    Good point.