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Notes, quotes and observations from camp — Day 2

NAPA — Several key players went down with injuries Friday that turned out to be of the season-ending variety. The news came one day before the Raiders throw on pads for the first time and ratchet up the intensity.
Don’t expect coach Dennis Allen to change his philosophy in light of the serious injuries. It’s full go Sunday when the Raiders hit the field for the third time.
“We want to be a tough physical team,” Allen said. “To do that, you have to be able to practice that way. We’re going to practice tough, we’re going to practice physical and guys are embracing that.”
That doesn’t mean that Allen won’t keep tabs on his players. In fact, he said he monitors his players on a daily basis and when they’re beaten down, it’s time to back off.
Still, the game is football is a rough sport, and Allen doesn’t subscribe to coaching in fear of losing a player to injury.
“This is a tough game,” Allen said. “Unfortunately, injuries are part of the game and they occur. At the end of the day, you have to have a next-man-up philosophy and you have to deal with those hurdles when they come up.”
Center Stefen Wisniewski is among those itching for Sunday, when the players finally get to throw on full pads and start banging into each other.
“It’s all good working on your feet and hands and stuff with no pads but, really, no good O-line, you can’t tell until you put pads on,” Wisniewski said.

– Andre Gurode might be 34 years old, but he said he feels as good as he has in three years and he isn’t here just to collect a paycheck.
Actually, Gurode sounds like a man that expects to be in the starting lineup for the regular-season opener, though he stopped short of making such a bold prediction.
“I’m not a guy that just wants to come and occupy a spot,” Gurode said after his first practice with the Raiders. I want to come in and compete and make my presence known. Whatever way they need me, I’m here.”
Gurode was with the Chicago Bears last season, but he didn’t appear in any regular-season games. He last played in a regular-season game in 2011, when he was with the Baltimore Ravens.
Gurode played mostly center for the Dallas Cowboys from 2002-10. He played both guard spots and center for the Ravens. Coincidentally, he played all three interior spots in practice today.
Don’t even think of questioning whether Gurode is on his final legs.
“Oh, no, I’m not a guy that just signs on to just to do it; I got plenty left in the tank,” Gurode said. “I actually feel better now than I felt three years ago, which is crazy.”
Allen seemed pleased with Gurode’s performance Saturday.
“He’s a big, powerful guy,” Allen said. “We signed him to have an opportunity to come in and compete and have a chance to make this football team. I see him playing inside center-guard combination type of player. For the first day, I’ll look at the tape, but I thought he was OK.”

– Signing Gurode is a luxury the Raiders had because they had an open roster spot and Gurode was on the open market. By and large, don’t expect many more players walking through the gates at training camp that can make a huge impact on this year’s team.
“There are no saviors coming,” Allen said. “I feel very confident in the guys we have, and they all understand the type of football team we’re going to be and how we’re going to be.”
In other words, Allen said, most of the guys that will comprise the 53-man, opening-day roster are on the 90-man roster right now.

– Cornerback D.J. Hayden sported a red, non-contact jersey for a second straight day. Based on his play, he doesn’t seem overly concerned about protecting himself from injury.
On one play, Hayden closed on wide receiver Rod Streater on a deep pass from Matt Flynn and broke up the pass as he ran into Streater.
Hayden, of course, just returned to practice after missing the tail end of the offseason workouts because of a surgery in late May to remove scar tissue in his abdomen, something that resulted from the aftermath of a surgery six months earlier.
There is no timetable for Hayden’s return to full action. For now, he is participating in every drill and trying to avoid contact whenever possible.

– Flynn spent time backing up JaMarcus Russell at Louisiana State. No telling how much, if any, he learned from Russell. However, it’s clear that Russell could learn plenty from Flynn.
For instance, Flynn spent more time signing autographs, posing for pictures and putting smiles on fans’ faces than any other Raiders player after practice Saturday.
During Russell’s three-plus seasons with the Raiders, he routinely put a phone up to his ear — who knows if anyone was on the other end of the line most times — or threw on headphones so that he could blow past fans who waited in the sun just for an autograph, a picture, a fist bump, something.
Flynn then spoke with the local media for about 10 minutes and a national reporter for 15 minutes or so before he disappeared into the locker room.
By then, some of his teammates already were gone from the field.

– Linebacker Miles Burris, defensive tackle Pat Sims and offensive tackle Menelik Watson still haven’t been cleared to practice. Allen didn’t have an update for any of the three players.

– Owner Mark Davis watched the entire practice for the second straight day. He checked out the proceedings from the open area between the two fields. Afterward he chatted with a couple of players.

– The highlight of the day came during one-on-one passing drills, with tight ends and running backs squaring off against linebackers and defensive backs.
Early on, the defense set the tone, with middle linebacker Nick Roach running stride for stride with speedy running back Darren McFadden and knocking down the ball at the goal line.
Soon thereafter, the quarterbacks and receivers seemingly had their way with the defenders almost every time. The fans roared their approval time and again.

– Tony Bergstrom worked with the first-team offense at left guard today, one day after Lucas Nix got the first shot.
Left guard isn’t the only spot on the offensive line up for grabs, it appears. Once again, Alex Barron got some snaps with the first-team, with incumbent starter Khalif Barnes getting the rest.

– Allen said he and the Raiders were aware of the possibility of wide receiver Andre Holmes getting suspended by the league for violating its performance-enhancing substances.
“It’s a league matter, not a suspension handed down by the team,” Allen said. “We’ll just leave it at that.”
Holmes said he preferred to let stand a statement he made earlier today that was obtained by NFL.com. Here it is in its entirety. You be the judge:
“When I received a letter from the NFL stating that I tested positive for amphetamine, which is banned under the NFL performance enhancing substances policy during an off-season test in April, I was very surprised as I know that I did not take any banned substances,” Holmes said. “I know that I had been quite ill when I was tested in early April, as I reported to the sample collector at the time my sample was given, so I thought one of the medications I was taking was responsible.
“However, to this day, even after further testing, I do not know how the substance got into my system. The drug policy rules are very strict with a zero tolerance, so after consulting with the NFLPA (NFL Players Association) and reviewing the medical documentation, I will not appeal the discipline. During training camp and preseason I will work extremely hard, and I will continue to work intensely so that I’m ready to contribute the minute I am back. I sincerely apologize to my teammates, coaches and Raiders fans for this situation.”

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  • realtruraider

    “doc”
    He’s a racist piece of crap.
    Even alluding me to him is about as big an insult as you can toss out, IMO

    ————————————–

    Oh please, you’re not fooling anyone, this lil tid bit even makes it more obvious “Regardless, if you’re intent is to get in an on going pissing match, I’m all for it.”

    You can change handles all you want but your lil pissing matches and PMS ways will always give you away

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    RaiderTater Says:
    ahhh, the veiled insult.
    ==================================================

    Veiled? I was making no attempt at subtlety.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Seymour.

    Of course Matt Flynn looked a lot more like a Pro than Pryor.

    Flynn is entering his 6th season in the NFL, he has been getting back-up reps since his rookie season in 2008 and was broken in and trained by one of the best offensive minds in the game in Mike McCarthy, who also happens to be a former QB Coach.

    Point is, Flynn has been getting top-notch coaching since he entered the League, he’s definitely a well-prepared guy and it would be nothing but a huge letdown if he didn’t look a lot better handling stuff than Pryor.

    # 6 on the other hand, is learning his 3rd different Offense in 3 years from 3 different OC-Play-Callers while barely getting any serious reps in before the end of last year.

    It’s unreasonable to expect him to look like a Pro out there, improvement in his mechanics and footwork is what we should be expecting from him, he can work on those on his own and by your own comments, he looks 100% better than last year, now that’s progress.

    The kid is getting there and keeps beating the odds, he may not be ready in week 1 but ascending to the # 2 job is a success in his development, hopefully there is much more to come.

    Just saying it’s not fair to compare Flynn and Pryor at this stage of their respective careers.

    Thanks for the reports by the way.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    its cuz youre an idiot…

  • RaiderTater

    “I rarely name call, although I admit I have”

    would a couple of dozen separate incidents clarify things?
    Don’t act all innocent. lol.

    Let me guess? When I post the incidents your reply will be “they pushed me to it”?

    And save the ‘I respect others opinions”.
    Hey, I’m contentious.
    Not a middle of the road guy.
    Say what I feel, feelings be damned.
    Saying you aren’t?

  • ElkGRaider

    Ford hurt again? Bad trip over chalk? 8-10 weeks…

    On a side note…Streater looks big out there! Bulkin up?

  • 0ak r8rs

    I see it all the time. Unprovoked.
    I don’t toss the first stone. Oak routinely does. So does Kell for that matter, which coincidentally you’ve not defended both, back to back, lol.

    @@@@@@@

    That’s simply not true. I have had many debates w many people without insults or name calling. I have alot of opinions. Sometimes I’m right, sometimes I’m wrong. But I never insult first, not intentionally anyway. Truth be told, texting is not always the greatest form of communication. Misunderstandings happen all the time.

    That being said, even Kell and I get along. Sort of. We can at least talk to each other without insulting each other, mostly.

    But trolls like Al_is and dr HST? Sure, I’ll blast those guys randomly. Because they offer nothing to this board but negativity. But even a guy like Trapp, who I dislike and probably dislikes me, I can talk to without name calling and insults. And ican do that w him because I know he’s not a pure hater. He makes some valid points.

    I have never seen a valid point from the two I mentioned above, and rarely from priest. I don’t like hate for the sake of hate and I won’t debate it. I’ll just come at it w more hate. That’s probably wrong, but that’s just how I am.

  • Crawfish Joe

    SnBG Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    In his third season, Carroll, along with rookie quarterback Russell Wilson, led the team to an 11-5 record, including going undefeated at home. It was Carroll’s first winning season for the team.
    3 years to have a winning season and in Carroll’s first year he was highly criticized for his draft picks,,,,just like Reg.

    EXTEND REGGIE NOW.

    ============================================

    Hi SnBG20 :D

    Lets not forget Carroll had a better pulse of the NCAA scene, where he actually witnessed NCAA talent, thus giving him a better pulse on the….well, anyway, he also works for a owner who could buy the entire NFL if they would let him. And Paul Allen has a yacht so big you could put a football field on it and probably seat 15-20 thousand fans. So I appreciate your attempt to compare the coaching situation to rookie hard knocks and such, but don’t forget Carroll has had a mountain, a very big mountain, of coaching experience. So fck the Seahawks and we’ll be stuck with DA so we’ll see where that takes us. Hopefully Reggie put together a good coaching staff for him this season, which btw, I feel he did. Also while I agree with what your point is, I am partial to disliking the Seahawks very much because I happen to live within their television broadcasting arena, and the fans, and everybody on this side of the mountains wears Seahawk jerseys on game days. Even in the local super markets and everyplace. It’s gross.

  • Crawfish Joe

    :cool: PurvisMan, good to see you back on board. :mrgreen:

  • RaiderTater

    realtruraider Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    “doc”
    He’s a racist piece of crap.
    Even alluding me to him is about as big an insult as you can toss out, IMO

    ————————————–

    Oh please, you’re not fooling anyone, this lil tid bit even makes it more obvious “Regardless, if you’re intent is to get in an on going pissing match, I’m all for it.”

    You can change handles all you want but your lil pissing matches and PMS ways will always give you away
    ===========
    Couldn’t care less who you think I am.
    Oakr8r swears I’m Alex7, lol. Along with a handful of other posters.
    You think I’m slob.
    Don’t mean a damn thing to me.

  • RaiderTater

    by the way, real, slob, again, is a racist scum.
    He can’t avoid racist comments. It’s in his dna.
    I’ve attacked that scum numerous times due to his racist crap.
    but hey, you stick to your guns, little man.
    Tally ho

  • RaiderTater

    quote: “That being said, even Kell and I get along. Sort of. We can at least talk to each other without insulting each other, mostly. ”

    LOL. Now that was funny.
    Selective memory?

    So hey, for fun, tell me why you think I’m all these other ppl?
    Just because I disagree with you, or reply back with vigor?

    Must be something.

  • realtruraider

    Well maybe you’re not Doc, but you seem to have the same argumentative ways

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    ElkGRaider Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Ford hurt again? Bad trip over chalk? 8-10 weeks…

    On a side note…Streater looks big out there! Bulkin up?
    =============================================

    I am quickly becoming a HUGE Rod Streator fan! Last year he came up big time and time again, as the season went on he got better and better and yesterday at practice, he just looked GOOD!

  • Crawfish Joe

    The extremists on either side, though a small percentage, spout such nonsensical hyperbole that they polarize the rational fan almost forcing them to choose ‘sides’. Which is stupid.
    I posted a remarkably similar comment on Cork’s blog a while back, but hoping for Pryor to show maybe 80-90 percent of Palmer’s passing/decision making ability. That and his athleticism could be a nice package. Of course, I think Palmer is a very good QB that’s been in some pretty pathetic situations. That should be decided this year, one way or the other.
    Very nice 1st post, Terrance, and I’ll try to steer some readers your way.

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    I’ve fallen into that polarizing category I must admit. But I did receive some boost early on with all the TP hate. Then you find out what a great kid he is and you really pull for him. I hope he makes it to the #1, because he can be electric.

  • ElkGRaider

    Crap…Allen’s quiet on the injury front. Another year of DMAC being “close” or “week to week”

  • RaiderTater

    Last weekend, ladies, of NO FOOTBALL UNTIL 2014.
    Awesome.
    Hall of Fame game next weekend, then preseason.
    going dirtbike riding, let off some steam.
    Go outside.
    smell the roses.
    Last available Sunday for awhile.

  • 0ak r8rs

    RaiderTater Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
    “I rarely name call, although I admit I have”

    would a couple of dozen separate incidents clarify things?
    Don’t act all innocent. lol.

    Let me guess? When I post the incidents your reply will be “they pushed me to it”?

    And save the ‘I respect others opinions”.
    Hey, I’m contentious.
    Not a middle of the road guy.
    Say what I feel, feelings be damned.
    Saying you aren’t?

    @@@@@@@@

    I don’t really get all of what you said there. But I do say what I feel. That’s what a blog is for. And sometimes I’m right and sometimes I’m wrong. More often than not whoever I’m arguing with we end up meeting in the middle. Because the truth is there r always two sides to an argument. I’m not a child. I get that and I follow through on that. Mostly. Nobody’s perfect.

    First time you and I got into it, you’re the one that started name calling. And the second one as well. Since then I’ve avoided you. Because I have no problem w debate or arguing. And I have no problem w being proven wrong. But I won’t be degraded on a blog. I come here for some knowledge and some fun and an escape.

    Arguing w you or Alex7 or Al_is or dr HST isn’t fun. W you and alex7 it’s mean and degrading. W the other two its just pointless, because they r just pure negativity and offer nothing constructive to this board.

  • CDERaider

    Streater is legit. With DHB finally gone and Streat getting starts, WR upgraded by default.

  • ElkGRaider

    Yep Seymour,

    Had my doubts still even after last year but the kid seems legit. Him and D Moore should step up this year.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Can you name these “Pryor haters” plz? I don’t know of any here. I do know of some myopic sycophantic Pryor lovers on this board. Haven’t seen any haters tho. Seen haters of the org. Haters of Reggie. Haters of DA. Haters of Flynn. Haven’t seen any Pryor haters.
    ———————-
    Nobody is THAT stupid.

  • RaiderTater

    realtruraider Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Well maybe you’re not Doc, but you seem to have the same argumentative ways
    =======
    You can call me alot of things, but not slob.
    Yeah, I argue.
    But he argues about race.
    About how bad Pryor is.

    I’ve never said a negative thing about Pryor.
    On record as liking the guy, and will be 100% behind him if he wins the job, or to whoever wins the job.
    Also on record that we should have kept CP, mainly because no experience to start the season scares the hell out of me.
    but that’s another story.
    Later

  • CDERaider

    If Flynn is going to be the starter, they better figure out the TE situation and quick, cuz his window is between the hashes. Reece and DMAC should get alot of catches and WR slants will be used alot.

  • 0ak r8rs

    RaiderTater Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    quote: “That being said, even Kell and I get along. Sort of. We can at least talk to each other without insulting each other, mostly. ”

    LOL. Now that was funny.
    Selective memory?

    So hey, for fun, tell me why you think I’m all these other ppl?
    Just because I disagree with you, or reply back with vigor?

    Must be something.

    @@@@@@@

    I only think you’re alex7. Who used the handle Dark Truth for a week or two. And has used many others in the past. I don’t think you’re “all these people”. I think you’re alex7. That being said, despite your accusations, you seem more level headed today then Alex7. But you do attack me from nowhere just like he does. And you and he r the only ones that do it. Kell will get on my @ss once in a while. But that’s it.

  • Crawfish Joe

    CDERaider Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    If Flynn is going to be the starter, they better figure out the TE situation and quick, cuz his window is between the hashes. Reece and DMAC should get alot of catches and WR slants will be used alot.

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    Yikes!

  • 0ak r8rs

    RaiderTater Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    realtruraider Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Well maybe you’re not Doc, but you seem to have the same argumentative ways
    =======
    You can call me alot of things, but not slob.
    Yeah, I argue.
    But he argues about race.
    About how bad Pryor is.

    I’ve never said a negative thing about Pryor.
    On record as liking the guy, and will be 100% behind him if he wins the job, or to whoever wins the job.
    Also on record that we should have kept CP, mainly because no experience to start the season scares the hell out of me.
    but that’s another story.
    Later

    @@@@@@@@

    He’s not dr rob. Dr rob and I get along. He wouldn’t blind side me like this guy does.

  • realtruraider

    Fk the NFL Network, no one gives a schit about the Bungles, its bad enough they will be on HardKnocks, no need to spend all Sunday covering their lame @ss training camp

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    “WR Jacoby Ford got hurt in practice, and he wasn’t able to finish.”

    I think 256 people here yesterday said this would happen!

  • ElkGRaider

    With Flynn and Reese in there we need to do that old niner pro form offense. Create little windows. With TP its Al Davis all the way. Go deep and ground and pound.

    Two different QBs. Two offenses. Makes me think it’s a reason TP gets hated on…

  • 0ak r8rs

    KoolKell Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Can you name these “Pryor haters” plz? I don’t know of any here. I do know of some myopic sycophantic Pryor lovers on this board. Haven’t seen any haters tho. Seen haters of the org. Haters of Reggie. Haters of DA. Haters of Flynn. Haven’t seen any Pryor haters.
    ———————-
    Nobody is THAT stupid.

    @@@@@@@@@

    Name one Kell? The biggest Pryor detractors on this board that I can think of are myself, dr rob and Seymour bush. We r ALL on record of saying we like Pryor and hope he succeeds. So who else? Who r these Pryor haters?

  • 0ak r8rs

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    “WR Jacoby Ford got hurt in practice, and he wasn’t able to finish.”

    I think 256 people here yesterday said this would happen!

    @@@@@@@

    Yea. Damnit. He’s one of my favorites too. So fun to watch. I wish he could stay on the field. :(

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Name one Kell? The biggest Pryor detractors on this board that I can think of are myself, dr rob and Seymour bush. We r ALL on record of saying we like Pryor and hope he succeeds. So who else? Who r these Pryor haters?
    —————
    That’s another fkin lie.

  • ElkGRaider

    With Flynn and Reese in there we need to do that old niner pro form offense and run off tackle. Create little windows. With TP its Al Davis all the way. Go deep and ground and pound.

    Two different QBs. Two offenses. Makes me think it’s a reason TP gets hated on…

  • ElkGRaider

    *my bad…double post

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Bob Marley Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Seymour.

    Of course Matt Flynn looked a lot more like a Pro than Pryor.

    Flynn is entering his 6th season in the NFL, he has been getting back-up reps since his rookie season in 2008 and was broken in and trained by one of the best offensive minds in the game in Mike McCarthy, who also happens to be a former QB Coach.

    Point is, Flynn has been getting top-notch coaching since he entered the League, he’s definitely a well-prepared guy and it would be nothing but a huge letdown if he didn’t look a lot better handling stuff than Pryor.

    # 6 on the other hand, is learning his 3rd different Offense in 3 years from 3 different OC-Play-Callers while barely getting any serious reps in before the end of last year.

    It’s unreasonable to expect him to look like a Pro out there, improvement in his mechanics and footwork is what we should be expecting from him, he can work on those on his own and by your own comments, he looks 100% better than last year, now that’s progress.

    The kid is getting there and keeps beating the odds, he may not be ready in week 1 but ascending to the # 2 job is a success in his development, hopefully there is much more to come.

    Just saying it’s not fair to compare Flynn and Pryor at this stage of their respective careers.

    Thanks for the reports by the way.
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    Sure Bob, if you were at camp and could give us some breakdowns I would be at the edge of my chair reading them, I can guarantee it!

    With regards to Pryor, I have been saying he SHOULD be the number one here. He has been here the longest, has worked with the receiving corp here the longest, he is the highest draft choice among the 4 guys, and they are all learning a new offense so that puts them at even.

    You make a good point that Flynn was coached by McCarthy and Tom Clements, Clements being arguably the best QB coach in the league. But it is more than that, as I have said guys now come into the league ready to play. While Pryor is night and day better than last year as far as zip and accuracy, he still just does not look ready to be thrown out there against bona fide NFL ones. At least not to me he doesn’t.

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    Pryor has a lot of work to do why cant we just enjoy watching him try to make the team like every other player out there?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Crawfish, what’s up? Been doing a little copy and paste, I see. What, no credit?

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    Repost:

    “I said from the moment we drafted him, that if TP emerges as a long-term answer at QB, it would be the absolute best thing to happen to this organization.

    First off, he is on a 3rd round pick salary. What if he emerges as a starter, and we give him an extension, but he is still rolling with a 2014 cap number around 2.5 or so? Massive money to spend elsewhere!!!”

    For me its the “Al Davis Legacy” TP6 has a soft spot in my heart and I want him to succeed probably more than some of the “Pryor Brigade”.

    IMO What he needs to develop is the ability to deliver the ball to the place where it needs to be in that split second that he has to get it there.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Crawfish, actually I appreciate not being credited. I no longer utter the ‘P’ word here. Not worth the headache.

  • realtruraider

    Name one Kell? The biggest Pryor detractors on this board that I can think of are myself, dr rob and Seymour bush. We r ALL on record of saying we like Pryor and hope he succeeds. So who else? Who r these Pryor haters?

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    lol, go read docs post again, saying he sucks and nothing else isn’t hating?

  • Crawfish Joe

    Pretty accurately summed up my feelings on the great Pryor debate.

    The extremists on either side, though a small percentage, spout such nonsensical hyperbole that they polarize the rational fan almost forcing them to choose ‘sides’. Which is stupid.
    I posted a remarkably similar comment on Cork’s blog a while back, but hoping for Pryor to show maybe 80-90 percent of Palmer’s passing/decision making ability. That and his athleticism could be a nice package. Of course, I think Palmer is a very good QB that’s been in some pretty pathetic situations. That should be decided this year, one way or the other.
    Very nice 1st post, Terrance, and I’ll try to steer some readers your way.

    by purvisman on Jul 28, 2013 | 9:24 AM ↩reply

    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/7/28/4564792/terrelle-pryor-who

    lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

    My bad :mrgreen:

  • 0ak r8rs

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
    RaiderTater Says:
    ahhh, the veiled insult.
    ==================================================

    Veiled? I was making no attempt at subtlety.

    @@@@@@@@@

    Wth happened there, Purv? All of a sudden Tater brings up my name from nowhere? I’ve been avoiding him for weeks.

  • Crawfish Joe

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    Crawfish, actually I appreciate not being credited. I no longer utter the ‘P’ word here. Not worth the headache.

    lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

    To late. :mrgreen:

  • CDERaider

    ElkGRaider Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    With Flynn and Reese in there we need to do that old niner pro form offense and run off tackle. Create little windows. With TP its Al Davis all the way. Go deep and ground and pound.

    Two different QBs. Two offenses. Makes me think it’s a reason TP gets hated on…

    —————————————–

    Yep. Not running TP in a read option style offense ala 40-whiners is an injustice. Taking away a huge part of his game. TP and DMAC in read option would be *serious* but we ain’t going to see it, sadly.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Realtruraider Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    Name one Kell? The biggest Pryor detractors on this board that I can think of are myself, dr rob and Seymour bush. We r ALL on record of saying we like Pryor and hope he succeeds. So who else? Who r these Pryor haters?

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    lol, go read docs post again, saying he sucks and nothing else isn’t hating?

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    Eh. I see your point. But I think he does that for emphasis against the hyperbole. Kinda like I use Caps. I’ve also seen him say several times that of Pryor can win the starting job that he will be 100% behind him. He just doesn’t think he’s any good at throwing. But that’s not hate. It’s serious doubt. The whole “Pryor sucks” thing is just him trying to make his point, badly I might add.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Dan Koppen Dungver’s starting center just tore his knee up and his gone for the season. That is not good for them.

  • http://ho-lee-fuk 909RaiderLifer

    In other news: it appears that the Donkey Centers are dropping ..like flys…
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    Mike Klis @MikeKlis 10m
    Torn ACL for Dan Koppen. Serious infection delaying J.D. Walton’s left ankle recovery. No. 4 center C.J. Davis carted off Saturday.
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  • CDERaider

    Seymour Bush Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    Dan Koppen Dungver’s starting center just tore his knee up and his gone for the season. That is not good for them.

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    ahh bummer.. couldn’t have happened to a better franchise… (wink wink)

  • 0ak r8rs

    KoolKell Says:
    July 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
    Name one Kell? The biggest Pryor detractors on this board that I can think of are myself, dr rob and Seymour bush. We r ALL on record of saying we like Pryor and hope he succeeds. So who else? Who r these Pryor haters?
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    That’s another fkin lie.

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    Which is it Kell? Am I THAT stupid or a liar? Go ahead. You still haven’t named anyone. Or do you just wanna keep throwing out one liners that do nothing to support your point?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    SeyBush, I keep reading about Flynn not so good outside the hashmarks. You see anything to support or contradict this?