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Notes, quotes and observations from camp — Day 5

NAPA — Two years ago, Denarius Moore burst onto the scene in training camp as a wide receiver to be reckoned with. Last season, Rod Streater made a huge splash. This year, it’s Andre Holmes emerging from a crowded receiving corps and making a strong case for a roster spot, if not significant playing time.
Holmes, 6-foot-4 and 210 pounds, caught two passes for 11 yards in seven games with the Dallas Cowboys last season. He also spent time with the Minnesota Vikings since he entered the NFL out of Hillsdale college, the same college that produced Raiders left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer.
Moore and Streater ultimately enjoyed successful rookie seasons. Time will tell if Holmes follows their lead, even if he isn’t a rookie.
If so, he won’t get to make his mark until the Raiders fifth regular-season game, at the earliest, because he was suspended four games by the league for violating its policy on performance-enhancing substances.
Holmes has outshined the likes of second-year receiver Juron Criner, 2013 draftee Brice Butler and undrafted free agents Conner Vernon and Sam McGuffie so far.
Time and again, it’s Holmes making the big play, drawing oohs and aahs from the fans in attendance and catching the eyes of the coaches that will decide who stays and who goes a month or so from now.
“I’ve made some plays and everything but I’m still going to be hungry and just think, ‘OK, I’ve done what I’ve had to do,’ ” Holmes said. “It’s continuous, especially going into the preseason games. That’s where, I said every practice is a game, well the preseason is like the Super Bowl. You got to go out there and show your worth and just because you do it the first four days of camp, you got to keep doing it every single day.”
On Tuesday, Holmes worked his way into the corner of the end zone, timed his leap perfectly and came down with a pass from Tyler Wilson just as the ball sailed over cornerback Taiwan Jones’ fingertips.

– As long as we’re on the subject of wide receivers, coach Dennis Allen said he still isn’t sold on any of the players on his roster as the go-to receiver just yet.
He is hopeful that someone will emerge as the clear-cut No. 1 by camp’s end. Moore and Streater figure to be the only legitimate candidates for that role right now.
“I don’t think we have a go-to guy yet,” Allen said. “I’m waiting for someone to jump out and be the guy. We have a talented, young group that’s working hard, but it’s going to be a work in progress. We have until September to figure that out.”
Moore played the part last season, until he lapsed the second half of the season. Allen is eager to find out if Moore can regain his standing as the No. 1 receiver on this team.
So, what does Moore have to do?
“Make the plays that we want him to make,” Allen said. “He’s going to have to go up and make the contested plays, and he’s going to have to make sure he doesn’t have those concentration drops that he had at times last year. Again, It’s as much about the mental part of it as the physical part of it.”
Beyond that, Allen said, he wants every one of his receivers to develop a certain mind-set.
“Just, to be the go-to guy you’ve got to see yourself as a go-to guy,” Allen said. “We’ve got to develop a swagger with the players on this team. There’s got to be a vision and there’s got to be a belief that they’re good football players, and that they can get the job done.”
Streater said he is taking that message to heart and not wasting any days at practice.
“As of now, I feel like I’m competing for that,” Streater said. “Every day, anything that comes my way I got to catch. Whatever I don’t, I just got to continue to work hard and just continue to focus on running routes right, blocking and doing things receivers do when the balls not in the hands.”

– Nice touch by Pro Football Hall of Famer Willie Brown and current Raiders scouts Zack Crockett and Calvin Branch to spend some time with long-time season ticketholder Josh Maresca during practice today.
Maresca, who turned 58 today, is battling illness right now, so the visit no doubt served as a nice pick-me-up. He watched today’s practice while wearing a No. 80 Raiders jersey.

– Linebacker Joe Mays signed with the Houston Texans, but not before receiving interest from a handful of other teams, including the Raiders.
It’s unclear whether the Raiders offered Mays a contract before he opted to sign with the Texans. However, he was on the market when the Raiders were searching for help at linebacker in light of injuries to Miles Burris, Billy Boyko and Kaluka Maiava.

– Allen had a rather revealing quote about rookie cornerback D.J. Hayden: “He’s not a first-round draft choice that feels like he’s entitled. He’s a first-round draft choice that wants to come in and prove himself. That’s what I like about him.”
Everything we’ve seen from Hayden supports Allen’s take. Hayden got beat on back-to-back plays Tuesday, but he bounced back and ran stride for stride with the receiver a few plays later and prevented a long completion.
Even though Hayden hasn’t been cleared for contact in practice, he participates in every drill, doesn’t take off plays and soaks up as much info as he can from coaches and veteran players.

– Offensive players wore the silver jerseys the past couple of days. As it turns out, that’s more than coincidence.
Allen said there’s a little competition going on between the offense and defense each day, with the unit that outperforms the other getting to wear the silver jerseys the next day.
It’s all part of fostering competition, creating a little good-natured rivalry and keeping things interesting during the drawn-out days at training camp.
“There will be practices throughout training camp where we’ll put the jerseys up for grabs and the side of the ball that competes the best,” Allen said, “because, at the end of the day, we’re judged on winning and losing. We had a competition day the other day, the offense won the jersey, the defense is fighting to get it back.”

– Tony Bergstrom worked at left guard once again with Lucas Nix sidelined by injury. The rest of the offensive line looked the same, for the most part.
Jared Veldheer is at left tackle, Stefen Wisniewski at center, Mike Brisiel at right guard and Khalif Barnes at right tackle.
Recently signed lineman Andre Gurode worked at right guard and center. He moved from center to right guard when he was on the field with Wisniewski.

– The play of camp so far came late in the proceedings today, when defensive coordinator Jason Tarver pleaded with his troops to make a goal-line stand.
On the next snap, strong safety Tyvon Branch jumped a route for tight end David Ausberry, stepped in front of Ausberry and intercepted Matt Flynn’s pass. Branch was off to the races, his teammates and Tarver off the hook with excitement.

– A close second came a tad earlier when fullback Marcel Reece matched up with Jones, bolted down the left sidelined, timed his leap perfectly and snared the ball over Jones and kept going for a long touchdown.
That’s the precise reason the Raiders love Reece so much, for his ability to create matchup nightmares because of his rare combination of size, speed, hands and athleticism.

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  • raidertbone

    699 – Alzado; Romanowski

  • Marks hair

    rr, you’re ESPN article didn’t mention practice squad eligibility at all.. I could be wrong I’m not a rule book expert but I have heard you have to serve your suspension on an active roster not a practice squad.

  • The_Judge37

    When was the last time you saw a Raiders player in a game playing out of their mind and wonder if they were on somthing?
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    True. Dammit maybe they are all clean.

  • RaiderRockstar

    fan of the Bacon-Wrapped Filet, huh?

    ***

    @Purv

    I live in Podunk. I’m a fan of bacon wrapped ANYTHING!

  • raidertbone

    That is correct – the suspension would not kick until he is actually on the 53-man roster

  • 0ak r8rs

    The_Judge37 Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 8:19 am
    618.Marks hair Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 8:14 am
    why would we ps holmes? we only have 2 solid wrs..
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    Because he’s going to miss 4 games

    @@@@@@@@@

    Right. Plus it’s a little early to say we only have 1 or 2 WRs.

  • Just Fire Baby

    And I see Bellator’s on tonight as well. Sweet!

    ****************************

    At the Santa Ana star casino, about 10 miles from where I sit now.

  • dplunk

    The_Judge37 Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:09 am How many of our players got caught up in that BALCO mess? I remember Wheatly and Romo, but they never got busted when they were on our Roster. I attribute that to a great training team.
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    yes Romo was a juicer, but I thought I said RECENT history..what R U talking about 10 years ,or so?

  • RaiderRockstar

    I have heard you have to serve your suspension on an active roster

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    @Marks Hair

    no offense, but you heard wrong

    sort of a small potatoes thing to debate though. that’s what we get with no training camp today. players get the day off. bloggers dont :P

  • DutchRaider77

    Andybody watch the Simpsons? Remember Duffland and the Seven Duffs?

    The Duffs’ names are Tipsy, Queasy, Surly, Sleazy, Edgy, Dizzy and Remorseful.

    http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Seven_Duffs

  • RaiderRockstar

    That is correct – the suspension would not kick until he is actually on the 53-man roster

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    @tbone

    that’s false

    we could cut him tomorrow and then sign him after Week 4 if we wanted to, but we won’t do that because we think we’ve found a stud

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am
    And I see Bellator’s on tonight as well. Sweet!

    ****************************

    At the Santa Ana star casino, about 10 miles from where I sit now.

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    You gonna go watch King Mo try to keep his hands up this time?

  • REALLIONAIREB

    BoldPredictions: C-Wood will have 5 nits and force 6 fumbles!!!

  • The_Judge37

    708.dplunk Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am
    The_Judge37 Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:09 am How many of our players got caught up in that BALCO mess? I remember Wheatly and Romo, but they never got busted when they were on our Roster. I attribute that to a great training team.
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    yes Romo was a juicer, but I thought I said RECENT history..what R U talking about 10 years ,or so?
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    I never said recently. But didnt’ Louis Murphy recently get caught with some narcotics soon after he was traded?

  • Just Fire Baby

    In El Paso, the steakhouses serve every steak with a cream-cheese filled, bacon-wrapped jalepeno.

    To die for!!!!

  • Angry Villager with Pitchfork

    Here we go Pryor, HERE WE GO!!

  • Just Fire Baby

    You gonna go watch King Mo try to keep his hands up this time?

    *****************************

    Not a big MMA guy, I am one of the last remaining boxing fans.

    But I will tune in for the local flavor of it.

  • DutchRaider77

    @RaiderRockstar

    You see your boy Nick Miller is on the Eagles? Maclin roster replacement.

  • dplunk

    @ The_Judge37

    Recent Raider team must have really been “Pathetic” if those guys were juiced and played as woeful as they did.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Stubblefield was also involved in the Balco sting

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    “Hey man, what have i ever done to you?”

    Remember back in 7th grade you put a firecracker in my cats ass!

    JK

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    Every one thought Sean Merriman was so special NOPE he was on steroids.

    Every one thought Von Miller was so special NOPE he was on steroids!

  • The Big Banana

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am
    In El Paso, the steakhouses serve every steak with a cream-cheese filled, bacon-wrapped jalepeno.

    To die for!!!!

    ——–

    Let the record show that RRS and Vegas started the food discussion today.

  • 0ak r8rs

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 8:21 am
    why would we ps holmes? we only have 2 solid wrs..

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    @Marks Hair

    if we place Holmes on the p-squad, it means 5 or 6 other players have outshined him

    1 – Moore
    2 – Streater
    3 – Criner
    4 – Butler
    5 – Ford
    6 – Vernon

    However, up to this point Holmes has had a more impressive camp than Criner & Butler … Ford & Vernon are both injured

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    Alot of buzz about mike Jenkins too.

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    “@RaiderRockstar

    You see your boy Nick Miller is on the Eagles? Maclin roster replacement.”

    Is he still sporting that Mullet like Kenny Powers!

  • The_Judge37

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am
    You gonna go watch King Mo try to keep his hands up this time?

    *****************************

    Not a big MMA guy, I am one of the last remaining boxing fans.

    I used to like the 1st 10 UFC’s. Then they started adding more and more rules so I stuck with Boxing

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    In El Paso, the steakhouses serve every steak with a cream-cheese filled, bacon-wrapped jalepeno.

    To die for!!!!
    ————————————–
    The Fine Cuisine Capital of West Texas.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    You guys hate MistaB bcz he’s not a liberal Democrat.

    He’s really gotten into your heads, to the point where you can’t stop talking about him – even when he’s not here.

    LMAO about ‘not mentioning him by name’.

    Like any regular to this blog doesn’t know who you’re talking about.

    So cute.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I don’t think Von Miller got busted for steriods.

    He originally was busted for smoking dro, and apparently this suspension has nothing to do with a positive test.

    Something along the lines of missing a test or something.

    Dude is big pot head apparently.

  • Plunketthead

    Amphetamine = Ritalin = speed = crosstops
    In the 70′s lots of ball players used crosstops
    20, 50, 60, 100 at a time. They help a lot that first time or three but if you use them all they abandon you like all drugs.

    I recall reading a book about Raider players sitting in the clubhouse playing cards, drinking and popping crosstops.

  • The_Judge37

    Von got busted for weed and amphetamines.

  • Just Fire Baby

    The Fine Cuisine Capital of West Texas.

    *****************************

    El Paso has some damn good food.

    Not a ton of variety, but lots of quality, lots of local, only in El Paso stuff.

  • hwnrdr

    723.The Big Banana Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am
    In El Paso, the steakhouses serve every steak with a cream-cheese filled, bacon-wrapped jalepeno.

    To die for!!!!

    ——–

    Let the record show that RRS and Vegas started the food discussion today.

    But all he said was Melnik Watson’s leg was arapped in bacon! LOL

  • Just Fire Baby

    Greenies, they were called back in the day in baseball.

    Was basically a way to fight through a hangover for a few hours.

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:25 am
    You guys hate MistaB bcz he’s not a liberal Democrat.

    He’s really gotten into your heads, to the point where you can’t stop talking about him – even when he’s not here.

    LMAO about ‘not mentioning him by name’.

    Like any regular to this blog doesn’t know who you’re talking about.

    So cute.

    ===========================================

    Not true. We’ve got lots of people on here from all over the map, politics-wise.

    But it’s one thing to have strong opinions and express them (I do that all the time). It’s quite another to mindlessly insult and wish death upon everyone who doesn’t think exactly the way you do. And that’s what B does.

    And we don’t mention him by name because the minute he CTRL-F’s and sees his name, he’ll jump into the conversation and start mindlessly insulting everyone.

  • The_Judge37

    Maybe these guys use Amphetamines as a way to lose/keep from gaining weight? Although i have seen some fat tweekers

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    hwnrdr Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    686.Seymour Bush Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:03 am
    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 8:58 am

    And from Twitter:

    Christopher Hansen
    Haven’t heard/seen any rehab. Conditioning likely. RT @RaiderDuck: @ChrisHansenNFL Any idea what’s wrong with Menelik Watson? #RaiderNation
    just now from TweetDeck
    ================================================

    Watson’s calf was wrapped when I saw him.

    You went to TC right? How long did the fans get to stay, or was it til the afternoon then we all went home?
    ============================================

    They had a group of fans come in for each practice. I think Jerry or Cork said there was about a thousand, I certainly would not say it was that many, maybe two or three hundred for the sessions I saw. Basically, the Raiders run practice, and the fans can watch. Pretty fun for them really.

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    “So cute.”

    Way to stick up for your man love when he is not here. I could care less what political party you go claim to be attached to, they are both pathetic as far as I am concerned.

    Don’t limp wristedly take a back handed jab at me talk to me to my face.

    Do you have a problem with that?

  • The Big Banana

    Hwnrdr Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am
    723.The Big Banana Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am
    In El Paso, the steakhouses serve every steak with a cream-cheese filled, bacon-wrapped jalepeno.

    To die for!!!!

    ——–

    Let the record show that RRS and Vegas started the food discussion today.

    But all he said was Melnik Watson’s leg was arapped in bacon! LOL

    ——

    RRS set the ball down and Vegas kicked it.

  • DutchRaider77

    730.Plunketthead Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:27 am
    Amphetamine = Ritalin = speed = crosstops
    In the 70’s lots of ball players used crosstops
    20, 50, 60, 100 at a time. They help a lot that first time or three but if you use them all they abandon you like all drugs.

    I recall reading a book about Raider players sitting in the clubhouse playing cards, drinking and popping crosstops.
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    Trying to remember if it was a Broncos/Raiders game or just a Broncos Monday night game…but the announcer’s called out a Broncos player for being on somthing…his eyes were bulging out of his head/crazy. He got called for a late hit…

  • Just Fire Baby

    Although i have seen some fat tweekers

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    Skinny azzed arms and legs, and look pregnant.

    It is a weird look for sure.

  • dplunk

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am
    I don’t think Von Miller got busted for steriods.
    He originally was busted for smoking dro, and apparently this suspension has nothing to do with a positive test.
    Something along the lines of missing a test or something.
    Dude is big pot head apparently.
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    If Von is “doing wrong” it will eventually catch up to him

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    “jump into the conversation and start mindlessly insulting everyone.”

    Which is what makes this BLOG SUCK!!

    If you if haven’t figured that out yet and Duck is having to spell it out for you then you have bigger problems than being friends/lovers with a dim wit troll.

  • Plunketthead

    The_Judge37 Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:25 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am
    You gonna go watch King Mo try to keep his hands up this time?

    *****************************

    Not a big MMA guy, I am one of the last remaining boxing fans.

    I used to like the 1st 10 UFC’s. Then they started adding more and more rules so I stuck with Boxing

    ******************

    That was unreal watching Royce gracie ? from Brazil just take baddarses to the ground and have them crying out in pain two minutes later

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    “Just Fire Baby Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am
    I don’t think Von Miller got busted for steriods.
    He originally was busted for smoking dro, and apparently this suspension has nothing to do with a positive test.
    Something along the lines of missing a test or something.
    Dude is big pot head apparently.”

    That’s a lie to cover up for the fact he was juicing…no way I was on roids everyone I was just smoking pot….yeah right….no one will ever know because its illegal to release what part of the test he failed.

    Since no one will ever know the athlete can say it was whatever they want it to be and no one can refute that without breaking the law.

  • Plunketthead

    Greenies? Never heard them called that. Jim Bouton called them crosstops in Ball Four and that’s the truckers called them and the druggies at Paradise Park who sold them for 10 for a dollar

  • The_Judge37

    That was unreal watching Royce gracie ? from Brazil just take baddarses to the ground and have them crying out in pain two minutes later
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    Or Tank Abbot beating guys until they shake, the head butts, elbows, kicking downed opponents. UFC used to be cool, now the fights are kinda boring.

  • DutchRaider77

    @Silverandblack666

    Remember when Rodney Harrison got busted…No, I wasn’t taking steroids, it was just harmless HGH…

  • J Hill

    he CTRL-F’s

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    Gawd damn.

    Some of you and your blog tricks, lol.

  • DutchRaider77

    747.The_Judge37 Says:
    July 31st, 2013 at 9:37 am
    That was unreal watching Royce gracie ? from Brazil just take baddarses to the ground and have them crying out in pain two minutes later
    ——–

    Or Tank Abbot beating guys until they shake, the head butts, elbows, kicking downed opponents. UFC used to be cool, now the fights are kinda boring.

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    You know that Tank Abbot is gey? I met him and his boyfriend at post-party UFC event…my cousin saw him making out with another fighter, different time.