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Offensive, defensive lines a concern for Allen

Raiders coach Dennis Allen doesn’t have to be told there’s work to be done when it comes to his offensive line. The New Orleans Saints drove home that point by running around, past and over the Raiders time and again.
Allen said he isn’t sure what the solution is, other than to keep working with the players he has on his roster and keep an eye out for anyone that might provide an upgrade.
“We always have to look at what options are out there,” Allen said in a conference call Saturday night. “Anthony Munoz, he’s not out there right now.”
Munoz, of course, enjoyed a stellar career that culminated with his enshrinement into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Jammal Brown, Jared Gaither, Winston Justice and Sean Locklear are veteran options that remain on the free-agent market.
Things were unsettled for the Raiders offensive line from the outset of training camp. A torn triceps suffered by left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer – he is expected to miss three months or so – exacerbated the problem.
Allen and offensive line coach Tony Sparano tried Alex Barron at Veldheer’s spot against the Saints. Suffice, Barron has a ways to go before he gets the nod.
It wasn’t just Barron that struggled against the Saints. Allen said he takes a measure of solace knowing many of the mistakes made are correctable.
“The more looks that we can see, the better that we’re going to be prepared for those things when it comes to the regular season,” Allen said, in reference to the Saints blitzing and rushing from several angles. “Obviously, they brought a lot of pressure, and we’ve got to do a better job in the passing game of being able to execute when we do have pressure.”
Perhaps just as vexing for Allen is the lack of pressure generated by the Raiders defensive line.
“It’s a concern,” Allen said. “We’ve had two games where we really haven’t been able to get after the passer, specifically with four people. So, that’s something that we got to continue to look at.”
The Raiders played their first two exhibition games without starting tackles Pat Sims and Vance Walker.
Even so, the Raiders got in the fact of Saints quarterback Drew Brees on only one pass play regardless who they lined up Friday night.

– First-round draft pick D.J. Hayden has been cleared for contact, Allen said. Therefore, Hayden will be on the field Sunday and without any limitations for the first time since he almost died as a result of a ruptured vein last November,
“He’s anxious and excited about getting an opportunity to play this week,” Allen said.
Hayden practiced some the first three weeks of camp. However, he wore a red, non-contact jersey.

– Tight end David Ausberry (shoulder) likely won’t be back until the regular-season opener, Allen said. Ausberry suffered an injury in the first half at the end of a reception.
“Nobody has really separated themselves in that race,” Allen said of his tight ends. “We’re going to continue to watch them as we go through the rest of the preseason and see if anybody takes the lead.”

– Cornerback Tracy Porter (groin) is “doubtful” for this week, Allen said. Defensive tackle Brandon Bair (hamstring), linebacker Kevin Burnett (knee) and kicker Eddy Carmona (head) are day-to-day. Offensive lineman John Wetzel also hurt a knee. He likely will miss a “couple of weeks.”
Allen said Walker has the best shot of returning to practice within the next week among a trio that includes Sims and offensive lineman Menelik Watson. All three have missed most or all of camp.
He also said that receiver Juron Criner is “a little bit closer” to returning than fellow receiver Jacoby Ford.

– Rookie Brice Butler got some playing time against the Saints as a slot wide receiver. It sounds as if he can expect more time at the demanding position in the coming weeks.
“I did like some of the things I saw from him,” Allen said. “Also I want to see a little more of the consistency and not have some of those rookie mistakes.”

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  • Marks hair

    but we have no one on this roster good enough to trade for a first round pick Williy..

    veldeer? hurt… thats it for talent

  • nycraider

    heres an interesting link, shows cap space. the top 7 out of the top 10 teams with most cap space are not capable of competing for the super Bowl IMO. The Jags and Browns have 22 and 26 mil under the cap. I wonder where we will be 1 year from now

    http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-cap-space-1/

  • 0ak r8rs
  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J Hill Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:07 am
    BUT many of you said this years draft would produce 4-5 starters

    ——————————————————————————-

    I never saw anyone say that.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I think we can get 4 starters from this draft:
    1- Hayden
    2- Moore
    3- Rivera
    4- McGee, Bass, or Watson have a good chance because we lack talent

  • Marks hair

    did anyone else notice the Saints third string running back is better than anyone of ours?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Marks Hair Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am
    did anyone else notice the Saints third string running back is better than anyone of ours?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    He is not better.
    Their OL is better and our DL is a mess.

  • The Big Banana

    Marks Hair Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am
    did anyone else notice the Saints third string running back is better than anyone of ours?

    ——

    Their 4th stringer looked better than our starter. Reggie needs to set his sights on the Saints dumpster.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Nycraider Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    heres an interesting link, shows cap space. the top 7 out of the top 10 teams with most cap space are not capable of competing for the super Bowl IMO. The Jags and Browns have 22 and 26 mil under the cap. I wonder where we will be 1 year from now

    http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-cap-space-1/

    @@@@@@

    Same place probably. The typical scenario for a team that’s in cap trouble is one that’s been consistently winning and resigning its marquee players. Eventually they outgrow themselves and have to start dumping talent, like San Fran (unreal how quick they managed that) and Baltimore.

    The unusual situation is when you have an owner playing GM and signing mediocre talent at outrageous prices and other out of whack contracts and signings. That’s where we were.

    When we start running out of cap space again we will know we have made it. It will be a good problem to have.

  • RaiderRich510

    Ok I’ll stop,
    love my Raiders but hate what these non football experts are doin to this franchise. Reggie is ok except his hiring of D.A. Yeah we’ ll have a fat cap next year , But is Reggie gonna bring in more ex packers or what? Practice squad rejects? Brice Butler and Sio moore will be Raiders for a long time, Tp , Wilson and mcgloin? not so much. Shoulda kept Carson and paid him well.

  • 0ak r8rs

    The Big Banana Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:18 am
    Marks Hair Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am
    did anyone else notice the Saints third string running back is better than anyone of ours?

    ——

    Their 4th stringer looked better than our starter. Reggie needs to set his sights on the Saints dumpster.

    @@@@@@@

    And yet some here say we wasted a pick on Murray. Smh

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    New post gents.
    Keyboard monkeys and Trolls stay here, please.

  • J Hill

    Buffalo spent 100 million dollars on their pass rush, and where did that get them?

    We need a damn QB, and everyone knows that.

    As soon as we get the QB situation resolved, all this other stuff goes away.

  • 0ak r8rs

    RaiderRich510 Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Ok I’ll stop,
    love my Raiders but hate what these non football experts are doin to this franchise. Reggie is ok except his hiring of D.A. Yeah we’ ll have a fat cap next year , But is Reggie gonna bring in more ex packers or what? Practice squad rejects? Brice Butler and Sio moore will be Raiders for a long time, Tp , Wilson and mcgloin? not so much. Shoulda kept Carson and paid him well.

    @@@@@@@@

    We r all frustrated by various issues. That’s what happens when your a fan of a team that hasn’t don’t shlt for over a decade. The worm is turning. Finally.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Where did Olsen/ Allen fail with the so called pistol package vs the saints?

    First you must realize what the saints did on defense. Expecting Pryor to run the option Ryan simply employed the bear 46 front which puts 8-10 players in position to stop power running game. This defense floods gaps Brings pressure but also exposes the DBS to 1 on 1 coverage.

    With the advent of quick passing wco & rule changes for contact between wr & db this front went out of favor years ago.

    The first raider failure was the read option you are running with 8-10 defenders in the box. The second failure was the diamond formation which allowed the defense to pack it in even more.

    The solutions are simple though.

    1. A simple shift or motion by 2 of the players in the back field out wide suddenly spreads the defense & forces them to declare the 1 on 1 coverage.

    2. Run the base offense the wco

    Once the defense has been spread by shift let the qb go to the quick slants and outs the wco is known for so the wrs can use their bodies to screen the DBS for easy completions.

    3. Quick play action misdirection & bubble screens. Another way to thwart the super aggressive Ryan defense

    Griffin in Washington is expert with this approach. The defense is then forced to remove the extra defenders from the commuted run box loading and commit to pass coverage. This is when the option and running game eat the defense alive.

    I was horrifies watching the raiders fail to make these adjustments.

    Their are only 3possible explainations for this failure

    The o line was so bad with the starters Allen had no faith in the second /3 rd team o line to protect the qb. However if that was the case why expose the qb with designed runs against a loaded box?

    Or they simply don’t know how to run the hybrid and don’t have these adjustments in their playbook. Very likely this is an offense that requires you to fully commit and won’t work as agimmick “package” like they have in place now. By the way why would you limit your primary back up to a gimmick package? What if the starter gets hurt, you won’t have an actual offense?

    3. Pryor was being removed from the competition by muting his play while simultaneously featuring Matt phlegm. Not a surprise we saw this last year with Allen as well , & he seems dead set on phlegm as the stater.

    Conversely in the first half Ryan played the same defense but Flynn was incapable of beating 1on 1 coverage , diagnosing the fronts and pressure, reading thE field.

    The wco was in affect but phlegm through behind and noodle armed passes, missed guy running wide open with predetermined check downs and ate turf like Sunday dinner.

    Before the two minute drive down 20 zip against a mainly prevent defense phlegm and the offense had a measly 30 yards. Yes 30 yards in 28 minutes. Phlegm also led 3 drives that resulted in negative yards.

    That is why the saints were up 20 -0 before you could blink.

    I’m sure Davis will call Allen into the office on this one I’m seeing zero progress in year two of the rebuild.

    Ironically I have a feeling Allen will need Pryor at some point to save his job because his Matt phlegm fetish will get him fired.

    Allen must go tonight!!!

  • nycraider

    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:14 am
    @Nycraider

    Found it:

    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/3/2/2838780/oakland-raiders-salary-cap-sensible-cuts-and-restructures
    ——————–
    thanks so much appreciate it. Dont take this the wrong way as this is not directed at you. This article is the best way to cut salary in 2012, Reggie giving seymour a new contract cut the cap cost in 2012 , but it hurt alot this year due to the acceleration of the signing bonus when we let him go. Reggie could have cut seymour in 2012(7.5 million hit) and it would have had no ramifications in 2013. Since we ended up 6-8 mil below the cap(while still paying 3-4 mil) before we signed carter last year, Reggie imo made an error. Once again, thanks for reposting and I appreciate it the effort

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Raider O Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:15 am
    J Hill Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:07 am
    BUT many of you said this years draft would produce 4-5 starters

    ——————————————————————————-

    I never saw anyone say that.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I think we can get 4 starters from this draft:
    1- Hayden
    2- Moore
    3- Rivera
    4- McGee, Bass, or Watson have a good chance because we lack talent

    —–

    That’s just it. If a draft pick doesn’t start game 1 of their rookie year are they a bust? Hell no. If they become legit starters for several seasons by their second or third season, then they were good picks if they were taken mid 2nd or lower.

    Portions of this crowd seem a bit overly focused on immediate gratification.

  • RaiderRich510
  • RaiderRetribution

    Ausberry
    Brisiel
    Maiava
    Burris
    Sims
    Porter
    Walker
    Ford
    Criner

    Keeping all of these injured players would allow us to only activate 44 players for regular season games, some of these key players are going to be cut. They need to get healthy.

    Also add
    McFadden
    Murray

    Holmes will be suspended first 4 games if he makes 53 and Vehldeer will be IR w/return.

  • xraided

    RaiderRich510 Says:
    August 18th, 2013 at 11:39 am
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9573850/2013-nfl-training-camp-o-lines-crisis
    ______

    now all the top OL in the draft will be going in the first round kind of like this last one

  • RaiderRetribution

    Only players we could 1st & 2nd round draft picks in trades are the ones we want to keep:
    Wisniewski
    Vehldeer
    Houston
    Branch
    Hayden
    Moore
    Roach
    Moore
    Janokowski
    Condo
    McGloin
    Watson

  • Derek

    Real Raiders fans must accept reality. The team stinks. We must all impatiently watch DA and Spots McKenzie dig their own graves. Spots can and will continue to ignore the trenches and sign rejects from GB and foreign soccer teams. DA will forever be the clueless, vanilla, big tittied visor rocking, pencil necked geek he’s always been. The team will lose virtually all their games. With the stadium covered by tarp while accommodating 20-30 booing diehards, Mark Davis will have no choice but fire the two clueless losers who have reduced the Raiders to garbage status. Flynn, DA, Spots and the expansion roster lets hope this is rock bottom and next year the team can enter into recovery with skilled, knowledgable people in charge and running the operation.

  • Bigmike34

    MYSTIC1

    THE CUTZY NAMES for Flynn ….Not clever and makes you sound like a 6 year old….Fryor (typing error) is just not QB material…and Flynn Looks Pretty darn good…The drive he engineered at the end of the 1st Half for a TD was Terrific…Quarterbacking….under sever Pressure….and that is the way he will play all year ….His accuracy is very much like Rodgers…as his quick release…and ability to find the open receiver.

  • Cripes

    Reggie should have got Tom Cable instead of Flynn for that draft pick. Isn’t it obvious. Bring back Cable for o line coach. Cuz right now isn’t it obvious out o line likes it bent over? That would be a big yes.

  • Bigmike34

    Flynn has amply demonstrated that he can find a way to operate behind our existing offensive line…Let us not forget that his QB Rating Proves that our O-Line is sufficient even if it is barely so

    The o-line does need to cut down on the Penalities and that is something they can do…

  • Bigmike34

    Cripes

    Cable is building a Tremendous line in Seattle but he is not All the way there yet….He is no different then any other coach he needs the right players to start with…

    Cable is NOT JUST THE Offensive line coach he is also the Assistant Head Coach….Bringing him back as just an0-Line coach would be impossible…

    In the long run Flynn will be remembered as a Sensational Pick-up for the Raiders….Flynn is ready to play our other QBs JUST AREN’T