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Notes, quotes and observations — final day of camp

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, August 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm in Oakland Raiders.

NAPA — Rookie offensive tackle Menelik Watson and linebacker Keenan Clayton returned to practice Wednesday, just in time to take part in the final on-field activities of the Napa portion of training camp.
Now it’s on to Alameda, where the Raiders will spend the rest of the season. Much remains to be done between now and the regular-season opener Sept. 8.
Even so, coach Dennis Allen and quarterback Matt Flynn, in particular, departed Napa satisfied that their time in the wine country yielded the proper harvest.
“It was a good camp,” Allen said. “Our guys came out here and worked and we got better. We got a good evaluation of what we have here in this camp right now.”
Flynn was even more emphatic and fired up over what took place here since the players first arrived four weeks ago.
“I feel like we had a really good camp,” Flynn said. “I do. We’re a different team now than we were at the start of camp on Day 1.
“We’ve made a lot of improvements, gotten used to each other, we’ve developed a lot of chemistry and I learned that there’s a big passion for the game from everyone, from the top to the bottom. I like this team, and I like the work ethic and I have big expectations for us.”

– Allen said Watson has a lot of catching up to do after missing virtually all of training camp with a calf injury. Therefore, Watson won’t play Friday night against the Chicago Bears.
“We got him a couple of reps per period,” Allen said. “Just, again, I want to ease him into it, even though he’s missed a lot of time, and he’s far behind, because he’s missed all of camp, but I want to try to make sure he’s healthy and get him ready to go and I won’t play him in the game Friday night.”
Watson worked at right offensive tackle during the media access period. That brings about the prospect of the Raiders moving Khalif Barnes to left offensive tackle to fill in for injured starter Jared Veldheer and finding someone to take Barnes’ spot on the right side.
After all, Barnes played left tackle during his four years with the Jacksonville Jaguars and the left tackle spot is the blind side tackle spot for the Raiders.
“We’ll talk about it, we’ll look at it,” Allen said. “I feel comfortable where he’s at on the right side. Anything is possible, but I don’t really anticipate a change there.”

– Veldheer spoke with the media Wednesday for the first time since he had surgery to repair a partially torn triceps.
He said the injury was somewhat of a fluke, that it came during a pass-protection drill. He added that he doesn’t feel there’s a connection between the injury and how hard he trained during the offseason. He also doesn’t feel as if he made things worse by continuing to practice for a spell afterward.
“It’s strange,” Veldheer said. “It’s not something that I’ve ever been through. First football-related procedure that I’ve ever had done. It’s disappointing, it’s tough but the only thing that I’m focused on now is putting all my attention into getting after it and rehabbing and getting back on the field.”
He said he intends to play again this season. He won’t have a firm timetable for his potential return until he goes in for a follow-up appointment next week.

– Allen said that strong safety Tyvon Branch and defensive tackle Pat Sims likely won’t play Friday against the Bears.
Branch has been bothered by sore hips. Sims has missed most of camp with a leg injury of some sort.
Defensive tackle Vance Walker also has missed considerable time this camp with an undisclosed injury. He is slated to make his Raiders debut Friday night.

– Alex Barron is your starting left offensive tackle Friday night for the second straight game since Veldheer went down with his injury.
That doesn’t mean that he’ll be the starting tackle for the regular-season opener. In fact, Allen said, the Raiders always are on the look out for players that can provide an upgrade.
“You’re always looking for ways to improve your football team, so we’re going to continue to watch and see what comes across the waiver wire and what else is out there, and if there’s somebody that we feel like gives us a better chance, then we’ll make those moves,” Allen said.

– Several people asked during the live chat today for an assessment of linebacker Chase Thomas. Well, given the media weren’t permitted access to much of the proceedings today, we’ll turn to Allen for his take.
“Obviously, with J.T. (Jason Tarver, defensive coordinator) having some experience with him from Stanford, that was an obvious plus,” Allen said. “He’s got some power, some strength, does a pretty good job as an on-the-line, line of scrimmage linebacker setting edges and doing stuff like that. He was a guy that we felt like could come in, learn the system pretty quickly and really be thrown into the fire fairly quickly.”

– As of now, it’s conceivable that linebacker Sio Moore will be the only one of the 10 players selected by the Raiders in the NFL draft in April in the starting lineup against the Indianapolis Colts in the season-opening game.
In fact, it’s possible that Moore will be the only one of 16 players drafted by general manager Reggie McKenzie during his two years at the helm to be among the 22 starters against the Colts.
That doesn’t mean the Raiders didn’t find some talented players with the potential to help out in some capacity this season and potentially start at some point.
“I’ve been pleased,” Allen said of this year’s draft class. “Really, from top to bottom, we have brought in some talented players. They’ve all made progress throughout this camp. They still have a long way to go, they still have a lot of improving they have to do. The fortunate thing for us is they still have two more preseason games to really evaluate them and to see if they’re worthy of being on the team.”

– Fortunately for this year’s draft class, whether they make the 53-man roster isn’t tied to their performance in the rookie show that teams typically put on during a night out in camp. For the Raiders, that took place earlier this week.
“They were terrible,” Allen said. “In 12 years of NFL football, it was the worst rookie show I’ve seen. A couple of good skits. D.J. has a little talent, Sio Moore has a little bit of talent but overall very disappointed. I’m glad we’re not evaluating them on their rookie show ability.”

– If you’re looking for the next Rod Streater, a player that makes the quantum leap from undrafted free agent to instant impact player, keep looking.
Allen said he was impressed by several such players during camp this season, but none matched the production of Streater last season, when he went from an unheard of player out of Temple to a starting receiver in the opener.

– Quarterback Terrelle Pryor is seeking to become the fourth player to don No. 2 in a regular-season game for the Raiders.
He switched from the No. 6 he wore his first two seasons with the Raiders to No. 2. Punter Leo Araguz and quarterbacks Aaron Brooks and JaMarcus Russell are the only other players to wear that number in a regular-season game before.
Pryor, of course, wore No. 2 at Ohio State. When he signed with the Raiders in 2011, he checked into the prospect of wearing No. 2.
Here’s what Pryor had to say at the time, when he broached the topic with then-coach Hue Jackson: “Coach won’t let me wear No. 2. Why? I don’t know. You tell me. I’m just going off what coach tells me.”

– Allen said it’s possible that all four quarterbacks will see action against the Bears.
Projected starting players tend to play the most in their team’s third exhibition game. So, that means Flynn likely will play one half, if not a tad more, then be relieved by Pryor. Undrafted rookie Matt McGloin will take over for Pryor for the third straight game, Allen said, with fourth-round pick Tyler Wilson mopping up.

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  • ElkGRaider

    WTF is up with this logging system??

  • rediaR

    Guest123 Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:13 am
    You guys think Reggie signs DMC to an extension after the season?

    why or why not?
    ———————–
    After the season? No. I’m only worried about resigning him now. I’m sure McFadden will prove he’s not worthy of a contract by the time the season ends.

  • guest123

    hope Reggie sees that even if DMAC has a nice year that he is not dependable and not worthy of a big multi year contract. I think if DMAC has a good year maybe Reg will offer him a 1 year deal, 2 year MAX.
    If I was a betting man I would say DMAC is a Packer or Patriot next year.

    ***********

    Exactly right. I think most people don’t realize how close he’s heading toward being a one year stop gap than a day one marquee free agent signing. Most teams who are interested won’t be offering what the Raiders have already sunk into him. DMAC’s best paydays are already behind him. contract year or no. Nobody believes he’s not made of glass.

  • The_Judge37

    645.guest123 Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:13 am
    You guys think Reggie signs DMC to an extension after the season?

    why or why not?
    —–

    Yes, unless he’s completely stinks it up this year. But even if he can’t be a feature back, he still has value if they get another 1-2 punch.

  • ElkGRaider

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:10 am
    Think Reggie signs Jay Cutler next year? No, not a good thing…
    ==========

    We should be done with all these rehashes…

    Keep firing bullets on a rookie QB till we find one

  • DJ Johnny

    Another thing is the focus is gonna be on retaining the guys we have. Yet in that same article the main thrust is that we have a talentless team to begin with.

    So, the goal is to be able to maintain all the talentless players we have on the roster?

  • rediaR

    DJ Johnny Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:15 am
    rediaR Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:11 am
    Uhhh when has Reggie ever had the cap room to actually build through free agency more than he already has? Call them excuses all you want, but that is reality.

    It’s more in the speculation of what he will do NEXT yr. and how many are saying despite all the $$$ he will have he won’t go big in FA.

    No. He hasn’t had much room to do much as yet.
    —————–
    Ah, well. That is also a silly thing to think.

  • dplunk

    645…I tend to side with the folks that say this is it for DMac…regardless..
    honestly if it were me: I’d be thinking; did it take a contract year to make him produce, and what if gets the money?; will he revert back to seemingly not giving it his All.

  • guest123

    Best case scenario, he tears it up in his contract year and the stats and games played give us a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2015. At least that’s all I’m hoping for.

  • rediaR

    ElkGRaider Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am
    WTF is up with this logging system??
    ———————-
    It’s a donkey fan.
    Refresh the page when it logs you out.

  • No Mas Diamante

    If Flynn starts the reg season then expect a ton of no huddle to counter the blitz. He runs it pretty well.

  • raiderlization

    I more worried about what DMAC does this season than extension! Go Raiders!

  • guest123

    So, the goal is to be able to maintain all the talentless players we have on the roster?

    *********

    no just the ones who “compete”. Reggie will dumpster dive again next year with cash stuffed in his pockets. still scouting the bargain bins. watch and see.

  • rediaR

    Guest123 Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:27 am
    So, the goal is to be able to maintain all the talentless players we have on the roster?

    *********

    no just the ones who “compete”. Reggie will dumpster dive again next year with cash stuffed in his pockets. still scouting the bargain bins. watch and see.
    ——————–
    Yeah, that is definitely a silly thing to think.

  • raiderlization

    DMAC pays $8,000.00 a month child support! Hope he thinks about that and plays like he knows his son is only 3!

  • The_Judge37

    ElkGRaider Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am
    WTF is up with this logging system??
    ——–

    I’m just glad i’m not the only one. Mysery loves company

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    “Overpay” depends on that guys value to your team.
    ————————
    Until we are a legit playoff team for 2-3 years minimum, we will always have to “overpay” for free agent talent.

    I look forward to when we are like the Raiders of old, where guys wanted to play for the Raiders- just because they were the Raiders.

  • lefty12

    Brett Favre was traded to GB,he wasn’t signed as a FA.

  • SpudRaider

    guest123– I doubt that DMC will be the starting running back by the end of the year even if he stays healthy. Jennings will be the starter before long. He’s impressed me more than DMC, and he stays healthy. Only a matter of time.

  • DJ Johnny

    Maybe my beef is more with the writers of that piece.

    They say it’s a “talentless” roster basically, but then cite how Reggie will not spend much on FA but use the money to resign current players to build that way.

    Then Reggie says (in the article) that until they got Favre and Reggie White they weren’t going anywhere.

    That almost suggests Reggie WILL build from within but also will go after a big FA splash or two if they are out there.

    As he did in GB.

  • rediaR

    McFadden might be the worst RB on the team.

  • No Mas Diamante

    I like D. Moore but would not be heart broken to see him get traded. Lets’ face it, he hasn’t been able to get back to the level where he was lighting it up and people were talking about him being the next great thing. If we could get a good pick, like a 2nd, then I would do it. We have some solid young guys who are going to make some noise. I hope he stays and I hope he does well. Actually, I would like to see how he does as a slot wr with Streater and whoever else on the other side. But if he does get traded then just make sure you get something back!

  • rediaR

    DJ Johnny Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:31 am
    Maybe my beef is more with the writers of that piece.

    They say it’s a “talentless” roster basically, but then cite how Reggie will not spend much on FA but use the money to resign current players to build that way.

    Then Reggie says (in the article) that until they got Favre and Reggie White they weren’t going anywhere.

    That almost suggests Reggie WILL build from within but also will go after a big FA splash or two if they are out there.

    As he did in GB.
    ——————–
    Agreed. I feel like people only write about the Raiders after getting drunk because their girlfriend left them. There are often logical missteps in articles like this.

  • dplunk

    The Raiders have always had the best fans..I
    ‘ve seen the Raiders win three Super Bowls..I just hope EVERY Raider fan gets the chance to see the Raiders win at leat one SB in their lifetime.
    “Once a Raider, Always a Raider!

  • rediaR

    Moore wont be traded. He’s more valuable to us than he would be to any other team.

  • guest123

    McFadden might be the worst RB on the team.

    **********

    he may be. remember he had 4.33 forty speed coming into the league. and I don’t think he’s lost a step in straight line speed. it’s the football speed I am doubting. that liz franc has really messed with DMAC’s middle gear. he can still hit the top end speed when he’s running away from people. just looks like he’s plodding when making his cuts in traffic, at least that’s how it looks to me.

  • rediaR

    Guest123 Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:36 am
    McFadden might be the worst RB on the team.

    **********

    he may be. remember he had 4.33 forty speed coming into the league. and I don’t think he’s lost a step in straight line speed. it’s the football speed I am doubting. that liz franc has really messed with DMAC’s middle gear. he can still hit the top end speed when he’s running away from people. just looks like he’s plodding when making his cuts in traffic, at least that’s how it looks to me.
    ————————
    Not to mention watching him try to hit the right hole is like watching Stevie Wonder play mini-golf.

  • guest123

    No one is a sacred cow. Anyone and everyone should be on the trading block. Send us an offer. DMAC, Moore, anyone is for sale. or should be.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    guest123 Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:41 am
    No one is a sacred cow. Anyone and everyone should be on the trading block. Send us an offer. DMAC, Moore, anyone is for sale. or should be.
    —————————-
    Even James Jett and Sam Williams???

  • guest123

    Not to mention watching him try to hit the right hole is like watching Stevie Wonder play mini-golf.

    *******

    very astute. they need to check his eyesight and get him some contact lenses. or maybe “vision” in this case is an innate talent, reserved for only the great backs. DMC has all the vision of Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles.

  • SpudRaider

    672 — No one is going to give a 2nd round pick for Moore, maybe a 4th but no higher. Last year you could tell his heart wasn’t in it. More than once you’d see Palmer reading him the riot act in the huddle after a play.

  • DJ Johnny

    The more I try to decipher the message Reggie’s trying to convey the more it makes sense.

    When he specifically mentions the Reggie White signing…and Favre he’s saying building from within and developing your guys is all well and good but in GB we went out and got a big time stud FA like Reggie White who got the whole thing going.

    Almost like a heads up to not be shocked when he brings in a couple of big time stud FA’s to “compliment” the internal building.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    DMC has all the vision of Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles.
    —————————
    So your saying he has good vision, right? lol

  • dplunk

    677.
    Come on now: “Lay off of Stevie”.

  • guest123

    So predictable. The defenses can sense where his cuts are going to be. He needs to switch it up and dive thru the middle scrum for a 4 or 5 yards just to mix it up and keep the defenders from crowding the edges.

  • The_Judge37

    678.guest123 Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:41 am
    No one is a sacred cow. Anyone and everyone should be on the trading block. Send us an offer. DMAC, Moore, anyone is for sale. or should be.
    ——–

    We should wait and see if McMumbles can draft anyone better first, before we start over valuing draft picks for players.

  • DJ Johnny

    If you guys haven’t already, scroll up and find the link to that breakdown of the 4th and inches play at N.O where it shows had DMAC chosen the correct “gap” he may have taken it to the house…instead of failing to pick up the inch or so needed for a first down.

  • guest123

    Last year, it was DMAC getting Knappsized, but this year, it’s his bread and butter power blocking system. Who is he going to point the finger at now? Jared Veldheer? Contract year and excuses can walk.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    shrek with more draft choices recipe for demotion to the new nfl farm
    system…the whole org

  • Al_is_theraiders

    point tge finger at dipsh!t shrek and his poor drafts.

  • guest123

    I hadn’t seen that DJ Johnny, but it doesn’t surprise me. A 3 down back is a rarity in the NFL, and something that every 3 down back needs to know is the down and distance. You look at Ray Rice on 4th and 29 and he knew exactly where the marker was. The great backs secure the chains getting moved and if the home run is there afterwards, then so be it. But failing on 4th and one is unacceptable.

  • rediaR

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 am
    point tge finger at dipsh!t shrek and his poor drafts.
    —————————–
    When he has one I will.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    hes had 2…

  • guest123

    When DMAC hits the second level, he’s exciting to watch. He can get a full head of steam and look as dominant as Adrian Peterson. Problem is getting to the second level. Usually just looks like he’s jaywalking across a crowed street. Tentative, unsure.

  • dplunk

    692., 693…you guys “pull no punches’

  • DJ Johnny

    691, Guest, It seems the general concensus right after that failed 4th and inches was the line didn’t open anything up for him and DMAC was helpless. The breakdown showed that the line DID do their job…in fact Nix had a great push and the hole WAS THERE…in a big way.

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:56 am
    hes had 2…

    ======================================

    His 2012 drafts looks awesome at this point. He had six picks, none before the end of the third round. Three guys from that draft and UDFA class will likely be starting vs the Colts and Crawford may be a find as a pass-rushing DT.

  • rediaR

    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 11:05 am
    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:56 am
    hes had 2…

    ======================================

    His 2012 drafts looks awesome at this point. He had six picks, none before the end of the third round. Three guys from that draft and UDFA class will likely be starting vs the Colts and Crawford may be a find as a pass-rushing DT.
    ———————–
    And in 2013 the season hasn’t even started yet…

  • The_Judge37

    698.rediaR Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 11:08 am
    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 11:05 am
    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    August 22nd, 2013 at 10:56 am
    hes had 2…

    ======================================

    His 2012 drafts looks awesome at this point. He had six picks, none before the end of the third round. Three guys from that draft and UDFA class will likely be starting vs the Colts and Crawford may be a find as a pass-rushing DT.
    ———————–
    And in 2013 the season hasn’t even started yet…
    ——–

    I guess at this point his ’12 draft is looking better than his ’13 draft.

  • DJ Johnny

    It’s like we’ve seen so many times with this guy, DMAC ran smack dab into the ONE GUY (on the 4th and inches) who had any prayer of stopping him.