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Raiders not yet feeling the draft

First off, it takes a few years to assess a draft and it’s way too early to draw any definite conclusions on how Reggie McKenzie has fared in terms of procuring rookie talent.

Considering the Raiders have more than $40 million tied up in dead money under the salary cap, you’d think it would be a haven for young talent to get the chance to start and flourish.

Not so.

When the Raiders host the Chicago Bears tonight at 7 p.m. at O.co Coliseum, there will in all probability be three starters from McKenzie drafts _ cornerback D.J. Hayden, defensive tackle Christo Bilukidi and strong side linebacker Sio Moore. A pair of undrafted free agents who made the roster in 2012, wide receiver Rod Streater and left guard Lucas Nix, will be starters on the offense.

When the season begins on Sept. 8, the plan is for Pat Sims to step in as a starting tackle in place of Bilukidi, and there’s a chance Tracy Porter will return from a groin injury in time to give Hayden more time to develop after a late start. That would leave one McKenzie/Allen starter on defense, along with Streater and presumably Nix on offense.

A thumbnail sketch of McKenzie’s draft picks:

2013

1/12 CB D.J. Hayden, Houston: We’ll get to learn a lot tonight against Chicago and there is no way to know how he’ll respond to contact. Considering where he was picked, he should be starting before it gets too deep into the season.

2/42 OT Menelik Watson, Florida State: Got an even later start than Hayden, and although he has only 19 games of college football experience, Watson will be thrown off the high dive and be forced to swim very soon. The Raiders are that thin up front.

3/66 LB Sio Moore, Connecticut: The coaching staff fell in love with Moore at the Senior Bowl. Penciled in as a starter the moment he was drafted. Now he has to live up to it.

4/112 QB Tyler Wilson, Arkansas: Looked like he could be best pure passer on the team during offseason work. Getting almost no work behind third-team undrafted free agent Matt McGloin. Will McKenzie cut his own fourth-round draft pick?

6/172 TE Nick Kasa, Colorado: Converted defensive lineman fell behind after missing offseason with a hamstring strain. Has size and skill set of an every-down tight end. Trying to sneak Kasa to the practice squad would be a gamble.

6/181 RB Latavius Murray, Central Florida: Currently out indefinitely after arthroscopic ankle surgery, Murray is an intriguing specimen but his propensity for injury in college has so far followed him in to the NFL.

6/184 TE Mychal Rivera, Tennessee: Looks as if he can be useful immediately as a pass receiving tight end, although perhaps not enough girth to play every down along the line. Has natural feel for passing game and getting open, with good hands.

6/205 DT Stacy McGee, Oklahoma: Watch McGee during blocking drills and it’s apparent why he was worth a gamble even though he had some personal conduct issues in college. Strong and explosive, although not ready to be in rotation as of yet.

7/209 WR Brice Butler, San Diego State: Big, fast and making a run at getting playing time as a rookie. One of the nice surprises of training camp.

7/233 DE David Bass, Missouri Western State: Had a big moment against New Orleans with sack of Seneca Wallace that resulted in a touchdown for undrafted free agent Ryan Robinson. Concerns are that he simply looks small and occasionally gets buried by tackles that outweigh him by 50 pounds

2012

3/95 G-T Tony Bergstrom, Utah: Competed with Nix at left guard, with Nix apparently getting the edge. Bergstrom, drafted when Raiders were a zone blocking team, could have a role as a swing player at guard and tackle.

4/129 LB Miles Burris, San Diego State: Had solid rookie season as a 15-game starter at strong side linebacker, but still hasn’t recovered from off-season knee surgery. Moore took his spot, and Burris, if he gets healthy will back up Nick Roach in the middle. Could open season on Physically Unable to Perform list and be out for nearly half the season, if he makes roster.

5/158 DL Jack Crawford, Penn State: Given his performance against New Orleans, an example why you need patience in assessing a draft. Made more of an impression in one series than he did all of last season as a raw athlete learning his craft.

5/168 WR Juron Criner, Arizona: Struggled to learn offensive system as a rookie, and then the Raiders put in an entirely new one for Year 2. Now is injured. Hard to give up on because the type of jump-and-catch receiver who can score in the red zone and that’s a trait the Raiders desperately need.

6/189 DT Christo Bilukidi, Georgia State: Looks as if Bilukidi will be in an interior rotation along with Vance Walker and Pat Sims.

7/230 LB Nathan Stupar, Penn State: Didn’t make 53-man roster out of training camp, later cut from practice squad.

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  • VanHeathen30

    Good To See Ya Pete…
    not a bad idea you got, but Mark can’t afford it.
    There here for the duration, or until he sells.

  • PlunkforHOF

    The brush fire smoke here in Reno is close to unbearable.

  • VanHeathen30

    24; Post 49 = BINGO

  • J Hill

    Flacco says. “I love Ray, and I love how he always spoke from the heart, but if you listened to those speeches, a lot of them didn’t even make sense. He meant everything he was saying, but I didn’t know what he was talking about 90 percent of the time.”

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    LMFAO

  • J Hill
  • 24

    A $15 million a year contract is fine if you have Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, otherwise no!

  • shutdown

    I wouldn’t release Burris. He did a yeoman’s job last year as a rookie. Just as the coaches feared, he tired in the last third of the season–they predicted it would be really hard on a rookie to play a full NFL season, particularly an almost every down player. Sure enough, he faded and got hurt. The college season is simply not as taxing.

    Nevertheless, the key to building a team is keeping strong back up guys or role players that you have already discovered can do the job, and he can. I’d hate to lose him.

  • 24

    J Hill – Thank you sir!

  • ElkGRaider

    The brush fire smoke here in Reno is close to unbearable
    ————
    Just saw some pictures of Virginia St. Come down here to Sac. Or across the mountain in Tahoe?

  • lefty12

    VanHeathen30 Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    Good To See Ya Pete…
    not a bad idea you got, but Mark can’t afford it.
    There here for the duration, or until he sells.
    ========================
    Actually it is a terrible idea.

  • VanHeathen30

    Reading that piece by Amy Trask it’s easy to see why she was Al’s favorite and probably his real choice to head the Org. after he was gone. Unfortunately, Mom had to give Jr. a shot to live up to Dad’s image, and well, there was no room for someone smarter and more skilled in the ways of the NFL in Jr’s world…
    She may be the single biggest loss on the Org. Chart… if that chart even exsists.

  • 24

    Amy Trask

    9. I still think Brady fumbled. (And before you tell me to get over it, please remember that the fun of sports is that we don’t have to get over it. #immaculatereception #lytlefumble)

    I love her! She bleeds Silver & Black. I’m not unhappy with Mark Davis but maybe she should own the team. She sounds smart and savvy.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I love you guys all jabbering about what a waste Rich Seymour was.

    Here are some facts: Belichik and Brady have not won a Super Bowl without Seymour. Seymour was directly attributable to 3 wins during Jackson’s one year tenure, including blocking 2 FG’s in a game etc. Without Seymour, Jackson easily would have been 4-12 himself.

    Last year, the team was 3-4 when Seymour played. 1-8 when he didn’t. Seymour was one of the top five DL in grades over the last five years according to PFF.

  • 24

    Seymour Bush – Well there you go making all kinds of sense. Well done sir! That easily changed my outlook.

    I still love Seymour for punching Roethlisberger in the face.

  • 24

    Seriously! Burger getting punched by D!ck! Never gets old!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID6QLJxnkn8

  • VanHeathen30

    Except, Ben had a helmet on, and didn’t feel it…
    he flopped to get Seymour ejected…
    Total lack of poise and pizz poor leadership from the highest paid vet in the squad…

  • DJ Johnny

    Seymour Bush Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
    I love you guys all jabbering about what a waste Rich Seymour was.

    Here are some facts: Belichik and Brady have not won a Super Bowl without Seymour. Seymour was directly attributable to 3 wins during Jackson’s one year tenure, including blocking 2 FG’s in a game etc. Without Seymour, Jackson easily would have been 4-12 himself.

    Last year, the team was 3-4 when Seymour played. 1-8 when he didn’t. Seymour was one of the top five DL in grades over the last five years according to PFF

    You’d think that lend itself to someone being willing to cough up more than vet minimum to get him on their team.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    24 Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    Seymour Bush – Well there you go making all kinds of sense. Well done sir! That easily changed my outlook.

    I still love Seymour for punching Roethlisberger in the face.
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    haha. Forgot about that. Easily the greatest play in sports that year. And maybe the greatest play since Atkinson punched Russ “The puzzy” Francis right in the grill.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    You’d think that lend itself to someone being willing to cough up more than vet minimum to get him on their team.
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    Seymour knows that some contending team will get one of their main DL guys hurt, and his value will soar. If for whatever reason that doesn’t happen, he can ride off into the sunset with tens of millions. As for coming to a losing team like the Raiders for pennies? That ain’t gonna happen.

  • lefty12

    Besides the obvious tonight-seeing Hayden and Watson in their 1st action-the TE rotation is something that will be interesting.The 2 rookies are intriguing.Will they both make the squad and bounce either Ausberry or Gordon of the team?

  • shutdown

    So how’re any of you in the Bay Area watching the game unless you’re going to it?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    VanHeathen30 Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    Except, Ben had a helmet on, and didn’t feel it…
    he flopped to get Seymour ejected…
    Total lack of poise and pizz poor leadership from the highest paid vet in the squad…
    ==========================================

    I think that was the game that Keomatu and Foster kept taking cheap shots at our players and we wouldn’t retaliate and the refs kept shrugging and letting it go. So Seymour took matters into his own hands. That WAS leadership.

  • ElkGRaider

    Don’t think Watson is playing Lefty…

  • 24

    DJ Hayden Draft Reaction To Raiders Draft Pick RD 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Os2esBID_c

    Watch this video…how can you not like the Hayden pick. Good football player, good guy!

  • willy91137

    Shutdown Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    So how’re any of you in the Bay Area watching the game unless you’re going to it?
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
    listen to it on the radio at 9 o’clock turn to channel 36 and watch it

    if I get too sleepy I will go to bed and watch the rest in the morning

  • 24

    Yeah..Watson isn’t playing. They are going to give him snaps in the 4th pre-season game. They want to ease him back.

  • 24

    You can all watch the pre-season game live tonight by paying $10 if you want.

    https://preseason.nfl.com/nflpl/secure/packages?ttv=1&icampaign=homepage_hottopics_v2_PSL

  • J Hill

    TEs are going to be Mastrud, Ausberry, and Rivera.

  • 24

    I was perfectly ok with Seymour punching him…sometimes you need to send a message and he did just that. Sure, he go ejected but that can light a fire under the right team. It shows toughness as well, something our team has lacked for quite sometime. Seymour had a Raider attitude similar to that of the 1970′s Raiders.

    I wasn’t always happy with Seymour but those were his pluses.

  • Relentless

    I hate the squealers and rapistburger so im glad he got smacked and fell like a ish. I’m going to that game this year. I hope we break his eff’n neck.

  • DJ Johnny

    I’m not a big line watcher but I can tell when someone is making plays. I acknowledge stuff gets done in the trenches we don’t always see that effects the game.

    I do remember NOBODY on that defense making a stand when they could’ve stopped Rivers in that final game for the division in 2011. I distinctly recall Seymour getting stood up like a wall on that drive and getting no push whatsoever.

    That was a clutch series with everything on the line and Seymour being the “leader” of that D imo was the one to do SOMETHING..ANYTHING to stop it.

    Yeah it was only one series but a huge one where NOBODY did squat. They all folded like lawn chairs and bent over and took it in the keyster.

    He DID however make two clutch fg blocks against KC the prior week to give us a shot that final game so i’ll give him props for that.

  • 24

    DJ Johnny – Don’t forget they’re all NFL players. The Chargers team and it’s players stepped up, we didn’t. It happens. Sometimes you just get outplayed, no matter how good you are. Tom Brady throws 4 interceptions once and a great awhile, it happens.

  • VanHeathen30

    Statements made between the whistles that end up with the QB on his back are much more important in my book… but whatever, he never wanted to be here in the first place.

  • lefty12

    J Hill,forgot about Mastrud.I’m not sure Ausberry is a lock.I know this staff values blocking.I’ve also heard DA say a few times Kasa is the one guy that could be the complete package.

  • DJ Johnny

    I hear ya 24. That last drive still irks me to this day.

    How do u let Mike freaking Tolbert make a 42 yd run…(his career best btw) with the division title at stake…at HOME…with the crowd going nuts begging you to make one friggin stop to save the season?

    Lol. Maybe someday i’ll come to terms with it.

  • willy91137

    hutdown Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    There are still a lot of guys on this blog who bleed Al Davis…well, Al Davis believed you START a team with talent at cornerback, not the lines, not LB, but cornerback. Now there are other GMs and football people (I think Madden was one) who argued “the lines,” but Al said, “cornerback.”

    I do believe he would have taken Hayden as long as the docs had cleared him. That doesn’t mean RM was right in taking him as our #1 nor does it mean he was wrong. It just means one of two things–that RM agreed with Al about which position is the key building block in establishing a team of the future or it means RM believed that Hayden was far better at his position of corner than the lineman were at their positions.
    *********************
    John Madden and Al Davis argued about that all the time

    that you built a team the offense of line AL and I’ll send you started with the cornerbacks
    evidently Reggie does to but it’s such a passing league now you deftly needs good corners

  • 24

    Those first cuts must happen by 4pm Tuesday, August 27. That will take all 32 teams from 90 players to 75. That will mean around 480 players will hit waiver wires or free agency starting Tuesday afternoon.

    Teams will then play the final set of preseason games before trimming another 22 players from the roster, going from 75 players to 53. Those cuts will have to be made by August 31 at 6pm ET. Those cuts will release over 700 players across the NFL.

    http://www.thephinsider.com/2013/8/22/4648838/nfl-roster-cuts-schedule

    1180 players will get cut. Never knew how many but Wow!

  • Raider E

    J Hill Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    TEs are going to be Mastrud, Ausberry, and Rivera.

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    These 3 make the 53. Hopefully Kasa can make it through waivers and hit the practice squad.

  • 24

    I don’t know the statistics but I’ve never felt like Home Field Advantage has worked for us. I don’t think we win in Oakland very often. You’d think we’d have some sort of advantage with being used to playing on a baseball field but it’s good weather, so it ultimately creates an even playing field I guess.

    At Candlestick, the Niners have a soggy field and that can difficult for visiting teams, creating an advantage for them but I’m not sure how much.

  • SpudRaider

    ElkGRaider
    Reposted my ideas on keeping Raider in Oakland, once again they took it down. Whoever is Big Brother sorry…. I promise not to do it again.

  • J Hill

    99 yard drive by SD after we cut it to 31-26.

    Fat arsse Tolbert breaking off that long run was comical.

  • lefty12

    Willy-true,plus the reason they are so valued is they are harder to find than many other positions,much like great LTs.

  • Raider E

    I personally like when the D-line gets all Alzado-like and starts punishing the opposing offense.

    Legal or not.

    We are the Raiders, and cheating is encouraged.

  • willy91137

    24 Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    Those first cuts must happen by 4pm Tuesday, August 27. That will take all 32 teams from 90 players to 75. That will mean around 480 players will hit waiver wires or free agency starting Tuesday afternoon.
    A***********************************
    and we get to pick for third

  • Raider E

    J Hill Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    99 yard drive by SD after we cut it to 31-26.

    Fat arsse Tolbert breaking off that long run was comical.

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    Palmer’s fault.

  • DJ Johnny

    Ha. Chicago reporter in Oakland says it’s the most intimidating place to play in the league. He says it should be a huge advantage for the Raiders.

    He said visitors bench is closest to the fans in the league.

    He said “there’s an underlying real fear of something violent happening even if nothing does”.

  • J Hill

    LOL

    Yeah, what DJ said.

  • Raider E

    willy91137 Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    24 Says:
    August 23rd, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    Those first cuts must happen by 4pm Tuesday, August 27. That will take all 32 teams from 90 players to 75. That will mean around 480 players will hit waiver wires or free agency starting Tuesday afternoon
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    It’s like a supplemental draft for RM lol :) Just doesn’t have to give up picks.

  • J Hill

    Palmer’s fault.

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    Knapp’s fault.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    With all those cuts.. expect the Raiders to bring in at LEST 3 new RAIDERS

    so that 53 man set roster .. could be changed within hours