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Allen knows Raiders QB, but he’s not telling

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, August 29th, 2013 at 11:32 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Filed for print with additional material . . .
Following a 22-6 loss to the Seattle Seahawks to close out the preseason, Raiders coach Dennis Allen was asked point blank if he knew who his starting quarterback would be when the regular season begins.

“I’m not telling you, but yes,’’ Allen said.

An anxious fan base will have to wait and see whether Terrelle Pryor or Matt Flynn will be under center when the Raiders play against the Indianapolis Colts on Sept. 8.

Based on how things went when Pryor subbed for a sore-armed Matt Flynn Thursday night before 67,341 fans at CenturyLink Field, it could go either way.

The Raiders finished the preseason 1-3 and Allen will turn his attention to trimming 22 players form the roster to get to the NFL limit of 53 by Saturday. Seattle is 4-0.

Pryor showed the running skills that make him such an intriguing option but struggled with his passing in a first-half performance which was limited to 19 snaps because Seattle moved at will against the Raiders first- and second-team defense.

With 45 yards rushing on three carries, including a 25-yard burst around right end and a 17-yard bootleg to the left, Pryor helped set up Justin Medlock for field goals of 45 and 37yards.

But when it came to pass, Pryor was 3 of 8 for 31 yards, an interception on an under-thrown deep ball to Jacoby Ford, and a miniscule 9.9 passer rating. Late in the half, when the Raiders took over with 3:52 to play, they went 61 yards without completing a pass _ not exactly a pro-style passing attack.

Allen thought the lack of rhythm in the passing game was at least in part due to having the ball for only 19 plays. Pryor was critical of himself over the interception, but otherwise thought he did OK.

The Raiders sat out center Stefen Wisniewski and right tackle Khalif Barnes, in addition to running back Darren McFadden.

“I didn’t have some of my guys, guys I was working with all week,’’ Pryor said. “I’ll get better. It’s crunch time now.’’

Allen said he will withhold an announcement of the quarterback “until the appropriate time’’, and when asked if he might wait until the season opener, said, “We’ll see.’’

Flynn, Allen said, is expected to be back at practice and ready to play Monday after resting his arm.

Neither quarterback was interested in lobbying for the job.

“I don’t really want to get into that,’’ Pryor said. It’s going to be coach’s call and whatever he thinks is best for the team. It’s all about the team, and if it’s me leading, I’ll lead to the best of my ability and we’ll get things done. If it’s Matt leading, then we’ll get things done too and I’ll support him.’’

Allen may know who the quarterback is, but Flynn said he had no idea and added, “I don’t know. We’ll wait and see. I can only control what I do.’’

Allen was able to find silver linings among the black clouds that found the Raiders scoring only 16 points in the first halves of the last three preseason games.

Most notably, Seattle had only 34 yards rushing on 17 first-half carries.

“We wanted to be a physical team in this game and really I thought we were,’’ Allen said. “ I thought our guys played with effort, I thought our guys ran around. We didn’t always play as smart as we needed to play.’’

Another bright spot was left tackle Menelik Watson, playing his first game at the position after only one padded practice. The second-round pick incurred no penalties and had no glaring mistakes.

“The first thing that comes to mind is I’ve got to get better,’’ Watson said. “There’s a few things comfort wise with the run game, that I got more reps at. I think I did a good job mostly just concentrating on the assignment and what I’ve got to do.’’

– Seattle starting quarterback Russell Wilson was 3 of 3 for 68 yards and a touchdown and Robert Hauschka kicked five field goals to account for Seattle’s scoring.

The Raiders were particularly vulnerable on rollouts and bootlegs with receivers breaking free.

– Running back Rashad Jennings had 53 yards on six carries including bursts of 9 and 32 yards on Oakland’s field goal drive before the half.

—- Wide receiver Brice Butler did not make the trip because of a hamstring injury and Sio Moore, bothered by a toe injury of late, also did not play.

– Mike Brisiel, who has struggled with his knee of late, played as the second-team right guard in the second half behind starter Lucas Nix.

– Rookie defensive end David Bass, a seventh-round draft pick, got good pressure and had one sack erased by a defensive holding penalty by linebacker Kaelin Burnett.

– It was the eighth consecutive year the Raiders have ended the preseason against the Seahawks. Seattle has won seven times, with the only Raiders win coming 23-16 in the only game played between the two teams in Oakland in 2010.

– Pryor on how he’s adjusting to the differences between college and pro football): “Accuracy. Timing with receivers. I think I’ve definitely gotten better with that. Making strides. Today I threw one to Rod (Streater), I believe, and he hadn’t come out of his break yet.”

– Flynn on if line struggles and his mobility hurt his chances to be the starter: “There are a lot of things we have been cleaning up protection-wise. A lot of it is miscommunications and things we need to get cleaned up.”

How Flynn would assess the preseason: “I felt there were a lot of good things. I don’t judge the preseason by just what happened in some of the games. It’s about seeing where you are as a player and a football team and I think overall things went well. We would have liked to put some better stuff on film game-wise but that’s what it’s for.”

– Chris Kluwe had a line-drive 44-yard punt that Walter Thurmond returned up the middle for 28 yards, but later had a 48-yard punt with good hangtime. Marquette King hit a 52-yard punt with a net of 41 on his lone punt.

Kluwe was the holder on Medlock’s 45-yard field goal, and King was the holder when Medlock connected from 37. Medlock was subbing for Sebastian Janikowski, who sat out the game with a calf injury.

“I think it’s been a good competition. I think both of those guys have done some good things and we’ll let you know at the appropriate time who we decide to go with,” Allen said.

– Allen said he planned all along not to play not to play Wisniewski, Barnes and McFadden. Free safety Charles Woodson sat out because he was ill.

– Lamarr Houston and Christo Bilukidi had sacks for the Raiders, who had their best penetration of the preseason from their defensive front. Rookie seventh-round pick David Bass had a sack erased on a penalty.

“This was the first time this preseason we were able to get our starting defensive line all together and I thought we did a nice job of stopping the run and really there was a couple of times where were able to get to the quarterback too and that was good to see,” Allen said.

–Not much to choose from in the battle for third quarterback between Matt McGloin (5 of 7 for 41 yards, zero points) and Tyler Wilson (8 of 12, 65 yards, zero points).

One of the more intriguing cuts the Raiders will make. McGloin had the better training camp and preseason, but was an undrafted free agent. Wilson was a fourth-round draft pick. Allen has stressed competition, but general manager Reggie McKenzie could well take that position that in projecting the players, Wilson will be the better player down the road.

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  • shutdown

    Wilson, with tutelage and time, is the one with the potential. He has an arm, a qb arm, and toughness. I don’t want him cut at all and don’t think he will be.

  • eastoaklandraider

    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Here’s what’s wrong with the “let Pryor play and see what happens” mentality.

    U have to decide if he could EVER be a good qb.

    The answer is no.
    —————–

    At this point who are you trying to convince? yourself?

  • Raider E

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Get your predictions in or change your existing prediction. All predictions become final opening kickoff in Indy. Predict the exact record and win an autographed TA bra.

    THE 2013 RAIDER RECORD WILL BE:

    RAIDERMAN99 2-14

    SilverandBlack666 3-13

    Raider E 8-8

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp 0-16

    R8RFAN818 5-11

    jesusraiderjim 8-8

    KoolKell 4-12

    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS 9-7

    CPT DAN 7-9

    PlunkforHOF 7-9

    pcraider 3-13

    Just Fire Baby 6-10

    The Big Banana 5-11

    Raider J 9-7

    oakfasho 2-14

    Chris in NY 3-13

    Cripes 2-13-1

    Raider O 4-12

    CDERaider 5-11

    The famous dr robert 10-6

    Dakota 2-14

    Raideretribution 3-13

    Relentless 3-12-1

    realtruraider 6-10

    J Hill 7-9

    M.Shorter 9-7

    24 6-10

    als hiemer 4-12

    jumpnjiminy 9-7

    R8RNAZ 8-8

    ENGLANDRAIDER 6-10.

    RaiderKev24 9-7

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist 17-2

    Oldtown 2-14

    Stabler76 1-15

    LTR 4-12

  • eastoaklandraider

    Bishop916 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    at least watson looked plug n’ play ready …
    ————

    We will find out if he goes against Mathis in that dome with the crowd, we will find out quickly.

  • raideralex99

    I’m going with 2-14 … We split with the chiefs and chargers

  • eastoaklandraider

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Get your predictions in or change your existing prediction. All predictions become final opening kickoff in Indy. Predict the exact record and win an autographed TA bra.

    THE 2013 RAIDER RECORD WILL BE:
    —————–

    How can I make a prediction and I dont know who the starter is? or if halfway through the season it will change.

  • shutdown

    We have to ask what qb, whether he’s good or not, gives the receivers a chance to develop this year.

    I don’t want their year of development to be wasted.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    Raideralex99 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    Pryor has talent no question but like the good doctor said … the QB position is not it.
    This is Pryors third season yet the 2 rookie QBs in camp completed more passes.
    ————

    At this point who are you trying to convice? yourself?
    ———–

    No answer, you know what that means, agenda.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    in 13 drives flynn manged to produce 10 points

    in 14 drives pryor put 32 points up

    i can see this team scoring 20 points a game

    he also turned it over less than flynn

    this is no brainer, this is what coaches use to justify their employment

  • eastoaklandraider

    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Here’s what’s wrong with the “let Pryor play and see what happens” mentality.

    U have to decide if he could EVER be a good qb.

    The answer is no.
    —————–

    At this point who are you trying to convince? yourself?
    ———–

    No answer, you know what that means, agenda.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    peace

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    How can I make a prediction and I dont know who the starter is? or if halfway through the season it will change.
    =================================================

    It’s easy. Just pick two numbers whose sum is 16(three, if you like ties) and put ‘m in any old order.
    Unless you’re Purvisman.

  • theghostronin79

    hell does anybody remember payton manning john elway or troy aikmans rookie years?

    why the double standard where we pryor has to be all pro right out of the gate?

    he should be afforded the same leeway that any other young qb gets

    ===============

    a lot of folks don’t have the time to GIVE leeway. They see some guys come in and light it up right away, and expect the same.

    Remember how Hayden was on the Non football related injury list on the 1st day of camp? People cryin sayin….”He won’t play a down this year. He’s finished. Shoulda never drafted him. What a wasted pick. His career’s probably done too.”

    Blah blah blah…..

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    The Raiders are very thin on talent. No duh! So they need to maximize on talent that other teams might want in order to leverage some trade value.

    Right now, in a league desperate for QBs, the Raiders have 4 that are likely waiver wire pickups if cut. That means that they have some value in the league.

    Flynn is well known and was the hottest FA commodity on the market just two seasons ago. If Vince Young can find a job, Flynn would be swooped up in a second by team that has the surrounding cast for him. Maybe even the Packers again to replace Young. Pryor has the athletic package that will get him lots of looks even beyond him proving his limits (see: Jackson, Tavaris). Wilson was a 4th rounder that people knew would be a project following his senior year debacle and he flashed enough this last game to show their is maybe diamond in there. McGloin surprised many and now has plenty of film on him for the league to see.

    If they aren’t able to trade one for something, then they should find a way to keep all four. I really don’t see anyone in the league pouncing on the bottom of the Raiders OL, LB, WR depth charts for instance. DB maybe, TE maybe, QB most likely.

    Reggie should play this one purely as a 2014 and beyond investment portfolio. Even if that means starting the season with less than ideal depth at an already weak position. It’s not like suddenly being thin at LB is going to be the difference between winning and losing games. At some point he’ll be able to move one of the QBs for picks and start to stock up to make up for the lack of picks the last few seasons.

  • rudegruden

    Raider E Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Get your predictions in or change your existing prediction. All predictions become final opening kickoff in Indy. Predict the exact record and win an autographed TA bra.

    THE 2013 RAIDER RECORD WILL BE:

    RAIDERMAN99 2-14

    SilverandBlack666 3-13

    Raider E 8-8

    The_Civilian_James_Trapp 0-16

    R8RFAN818 5-11

    jesusraiderjim 8-8

    KoolKell 4-12

    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS 9-7

    CPT DAN 7-9

    PlunkforHOF 7-9

    pcraider 3-13

    Just Fire Baby 6-10

    The Big Banana 5-11

    Raider J 9-7

    oakfasho 2-14

    Chris in NY 3-13

    Cripes 2-13-1

    Raider O 4-12

    CDERaider 5-11

    The famous dr robert 10-6

    Dakota 2-14

    Raideretribution 3-13

    Relentless 3-12-1

    realtruraider 6-10

    J Hill 7-9

    M.Shorter 9-7

    24 6-10

    als hiemer 4-12

    jumpnjiminy 9-7

    R8RNAZ 8-8

    ENGLANDRAIDER 6-10.

    RaiderKev24 9-7

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist 17-2

    Oldtown 2-14

    Stabler76 1-15

    LTR 4-12

    ————
    Put me down for 4-12

  • LTR

    Anybody know what happened to the raidernews dot com site?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Shutdown Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    We have to ask what qb, whether he’s good or not, gives the receivers a chance to develop this year.

    I don’t want their year of development to be wasted.

    ====

    One of them (that wears the lowest number) has the best chance for the WRs to develop:

    - Permanent injuries
    - A fear of going up for balls
    - A lack of understanding how adjustments work when the QB doesn’t make the right reads and audibles

    The most cerebrally limited QB will stunt the growth of an offense. Playing him is saying his development is more important than the other 10 positions, even though they will be around on the team much longer.

    There’s no point in short term solutions in a season that has little to no chance of playoffs. Invest in the future.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    I hate to predict such a poor showing, but I’m going with 1-15. I hope I’m wrong (and it’s wrong in the more wins direction)

  • elraidmanhattan

    Here’s the deal McGloin was a later addition to the roster way after the first wave of udfa, i am sure they were surprised by his ability, walk on at penn state, leader especially after the well known scandal, i know they like him. However i just don’t see wilson getting cut would be a mistake…he can play period. Also went through the petrino scandal as well aslosing his top receivers his senior year.

  • Breaking_Black

    Bring in Colt Brennan!

  • Raider Dawg

    Raider E Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Get your predictions in or change your existing prediction. All predictions become final opening kickoff in Indy. Predict the exact record and win an autographed TA bra.

    THE 2013 RAIDER RECORD WILL BE:

    *****************************

    4-12

  • rediaR

    Theghostronin79 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    hell does anybody remember payton manning john elway or troy aikmans rookie years?

    why the double standard where we pryor has to be all pro right out of the gate?

    he should be afforded the same leeway that any other young qb gets

    ===============

    a lot of folks don’t have the time to GIVE leeway. They see some guys come in and light it up right away, and expect the same.

    Remember how Hayden was on the Non football related injury list on the 1st day of camp? People cryin sayin….”He won’t play a down this year. He’s finished. Shoulda never drafted him. What a wasted pick. His career’s probably done too.”

    Blah blah blah…..
    —————————-
    Peyton and Elway had a history of passing well. Pryor has a history of Tebow comparisons.

  • elraidmanhattan

    If we can exceed the 5-11 record this year i would be ecstatic

  • RaiderRetribution

    Worst case scenario, we finish with a record that gives us 3rd overall draft choice again, meaning no improvement and we miss out on Bridgewater and/or Clowney.

  • elraidmanhattan

    I still think jets have a way worse qb situation than us, living here the media is all over how bad the qbs are

  • Breaking_Black

    RaiderRetribution Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Worst case scenario, we finish with a record that gives us 3rd overall draft choice again, meaning no improvement and we miss out on Bridgewater and/or Clowney.
    —-
    Can’t impact as much at wide receiver but Marquis Lee would be a decent consolation prize.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Reggie missed big time on not drafting Qb BJ DANIELS.. instead he drafts Tyler wilson lol really??

    Missed out on UDFA Ray Ray Armstrong.. Former saftey Rams put him at ILB and he is making plays after plays smacking dudes..and pass deflecting.

    I bet he could cover the backside rollouts

  • elraidmanhattan

    Hey the immortal mike kafka was cut, i remember some analysts were tooting his horn back when drafted by the eagles

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    elraidmanhattan Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I still think jets have a way worse qb situation than us, living here the media is all over how bad the qbs are

    =====================================

    The Jets, Bills, Jags, Vikings, Chiefs, Browns and Bucs all have demonstrably worse QB situations than us.

  • Cripes

    « Final: Seahawks 22, Raiders 6

    Allen knows Raiders QB, but he’s not telling

    —————————–

    Bullshtt. All Allen knows is Flynn sucks ass as a QB.

  • Breaking_Black

    Elraidmanhattan Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    I still think jets have a way worse qb situation than us, living here the media is all over how bad the qbs are
    —-
    If Oakland media was as harsh as NY’s is, it wouldn’t be much better.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Reggie might have just drafted the best OLineman, the best linebacker, the best tightends, and oh yeah the best cornerback in the 2013 NFL draft.

  • raideralex99

    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    Raideralex99 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    Pryor has talent no question but like the good doctor said … the QB position is not it.
    This is Pryors third season yet the 2 rookie QBs in camp completed more passes.
    ————

    At this point who are you trying to convice? yourself?
    ———–

    No answer, you know what that means, agenda.
    ———————————————————————————————————-

    Sure I can answer that.
    NFL coaches do not think he is QB material because if they did … Pryor would have been starting meaningful games in the NFL already. I don’t know why fans think they know more than coaches … who has the NFL coach’s job? I saw two other QBs on the Raiders out perform Pryor last night but that’s just one game I saw. You don’t see me pushing them to be starters … Do you? That’s the coaches job.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    How could Reggie thnk Tyler wilson was better over Quinton Patton or Kenny Stills in the 4th round?? how ??

  • inonewordraider

    the chargers twice the chiefs twice

    the titans the jets the jags

    Pittsburgh Philly and Washington at home (long flight)

    Indy in the opener (lot’s of upsets week one)

    Dallas is by no means elite

    that’s 12 winnable games, why can’t we win 7 or 8 or 9 or….

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    How could Reggie thnk Tyler wilson was better over Quinton Patton or Kenny Stills in the 4th round?? how ??

    ==================================

    Because Tyler Wilson had had an awesome junior year and bad senior campaign when the Arkansas football program literally fell apart around him.

  • elraidmanhattan

    I honestly think our qb situation is not dire. Clayton on NFL live believes Flynn will be the starter

  • rediaR

    RaiderRetribution Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    Reggie might have just drafted the best OLineman, the best linebacker, the best tightends, and oh yeah the best cornerback in the 2013 NFL draft.
    ————————
    Yeah, fire that chump!

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Because Tyler Wilson had had an awesome junior year and bad senior campaign when the Arkansas football program literally fell apart around him.

    ——————-

    i know. But these WR are playmakers. You could see that in college. Playmakers better then game managers.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    RediaR Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    Theghostronin79 Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    hell does anybody remember payton manning john elway or troy aikmans rookie years?

    why the double standard where we pryor has to be all pro right out of the gate?

    he should be afforded the same leeway that any other young qb gets

    ===============

    a lot of folks don’t have the time to GIVE leeway. They see some guys come in and light it up right away, and expect the same.

    Remember how Hayden was on the Non football related injury list on the 1st day of camp? People cryin sayin….”He won’t play a down this year. He’s finished. Shoulda never drafted him. What a wasted pick. His career’s probably done too.”

    Blah blah blah…..
    —————————-
    Peyton and Elway had a history of passing well. Pryor has a history of Tebow comparisons.

    ====

    Why are you comparing the rookie years of successful QBs to the 3rd year of one that is still struggling to learn the playbook? They don’t even belong in the same book let alone the same paragraph. There must be 15 QBs in the league that were drafted 3 or less years ago that are well ahead of Pryor, yet he needs more leeway to develop?

    This isn’t special education, it’s the NFL. Why does he need such privileged development time at the expense of younger guys on the roster that are already outplaying him?

  • inonewordraider

    The Jets, Bills, Jags, Vikings, Chiefs, Browns and Bucs all have demonstrably worse QB situations than us.
    __________
    I don’t know about that

    ej manuel has looked good, weeden has looked solid, freeman is better than what we got to this point

    can pryor be better yeah, but he aint there yet

  • R8ER MIKE

    ITS 420 NATION !!
    puff puff pass !!!
    and is FRIDAY… pass the kool-aid too !!

  • raideralex99

    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    elraidmanhattan Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    I still think jets have a way worse qb situation than us, living here the media is all over how bad the qbs are

    =====================================

    The Jets, Bills, Jags, Vikings, Chiefs, Browns and Bucs all have demonstrably worse QB situations than us.
    ———————————————————
    I would not say worse … about the same but they at least they have a defence and a running game BIG difference in the win and loss record.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Sir Duck that is because New York, Buffalo, Cleveland, Kansas City, Tampa Bay all think they have a franchise QB.

  • Cripes
  • elraidmanhattan

    …I think Flynn gets the nod, think about it getting paid quite a bit, pretty much down in the dumps. Does it make sense to let him mope on the sidelines? NO, it is strictly psychological, pryor will eventually take over

  • Raider Dawg

    Inonewordraider Says:
    August 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    the chargers twice the chiefs twice

    the titans the jets the jags

    Pittsburgh Philly and Washington at home (long flight)

    Indy in the opener (lot’s of upsets week one)

    Dallas is by no means elite

    that’s 12 winnable games, why can’t we win 7 or 8 or 9 or….

    *****************
    You, sir, have some optimism! I haven’t even an ounce, unfortunately. Perhaps you can share?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    RaiderRetribution Says:
    Reggie might have just drafted the best OLineman, the best linebacker, the best tightends, and oh yeah the best cornerback in the 2013 NFL draft.
    ========================================================

    This is not far fetched. Maybe a stretch on the TE’s.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Announce Flynn starter.. but roll out PRYOR ..now that is how u keep teams off.

    But i doubt teams will really prepare for FLYNN..they are gonna practice for pryor and the run more .

  • Breaking_Black

    The chiefs sideline reporter is way hotter than JT the Brick.