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Allen won’t name QB, but Watson is left tackle

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 30th, 2013 at 6:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.

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Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Friday he still hasn’t told Matt Flynn or Terrelle Pryor who would be the starting quarterback, but he did anoint rookie Menelik Watson as the starting left tackle.

Speaking to media by conference call, Allen declined to get into specifics regarding the roster cutdown to 53 or position battles, choosing to wait until the 53-man roster is assembled Saturday at 3 p.m.

“I would anticipate that Menelik Watson would be our starter for the opening game,’’ Allen said, referring to the Raiders first regular-season game on Sept. 8 on the road against the Indianapolis Colts.

Watson missed almost all of training camp with a calf strain and played left tackle against Seattle into the third quarter after being a right tackle throughout his 19-game career at Saddleback Community College and Florida State.

It would have been tough to tell in a 22-6 loss to Seattle, as Watson committed no penalties and showed the kind of athletic skill that made him the Raiders second-round draft pick.

“After watching the tape, I was impressed,’’ Allen said. “I thought he looked comfortable over there. I thought he played hard, I thought he played physical, which is something I wanted to see . . . I thought he would do well because he’s a big, powerful man.

“He just hasn’t played the position a lot and he’s got to go through the growing process over there.’’

As for which quarterback Watson will be protecting, Allen wouldn’t say, other than he’ll inform the quarterbacks themselves “sooner, rather than later.’’

Pryor’s statistical line (3 of 8 passing, 31 yards, one interception and 9.9 passer rating) was unimpressive, but Allen said he wasn’t overly concerned with those numbers.

“You want your quarterback to be able to make plays,’’ Allen said. “It really doesn’t matter what the box score says at the end of the game, how many yards they ran for or how many completions they had. What it really boils down to is how they move the team and are we effective and do we score enough points.’’

When the preseason ended, both Flynn and Pryor had been at quarterback for 13 drives. Flynn produced 10 points in those drives and Pryor 32, although Flynn’s work was against first-team defenses.

– The offensive line could undergo another reshuffle before the season opener. Tony Bergstrom, who had seemed to settle in at left guard, sustained a “significant’’ foot injury and Allen said it looked like the second-year player would miss some time.

If Bergstrom is out, Allen said the likely option would be moving Lucas Nix back to left guard and re-inserting Mike Brisiel at right guard. Brisiel had missed time with a knee injury but fared well playing with the second team against Seattle with the knowledge that his roster spot was at stake.

“He knew he needed to go into the game and play pretty well and I thought he did that,’’ Allen said.

Two other potential starters are also iffy to face Indianapolis. Sio Moore, the rookie strong side linebacker who was been with the first team since he arrived, missed the Seattle game with a toe injury. Tight end David Ausberry has been out with a shoulder injury.

Allen said he would have a better idea on both players when the Raiders return to practice Monday.

– While the Raiders got better pressure on Seattle quarterbacks than they had against Chicago and New Orleans, not much of the pass rush came from veteran defensive end Andre Carter.

“I don’t know that he was able to get after the passer as much as we would have liked,’’ Allen said. “He was really solid in run-support.’’

– Allen said he wouldn’t rule out keeping four quarterbacks on the roster. He said No. 4 quarterback Tyler Wilson had good command of the huddle but “looked like he hadn’t gotten a lot of playing time.’’

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  • Raiders for life

    Raider cuts starting to trickle in. Chase Thomas, first casualty.

  • the famous dr robert

    Observers reported Flynn looked dejected and that while Pryor lacks towel snapping ability, he does run around a lot and that gives us the best chance to……

    Never mind

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    the famous dr robert Says:
    Bring in Russell and Webb and have a Jamarcus/J’marcus OT battle.
    ======================================================

    I remember Russell running out to the right to block up field(seriously, true story) after a pitch, screen or hand off, and inadvertently took out two defenders.
    Really.

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    the famous dr robert Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Bring in Russell and Webb and have a Jamarcus/J’marcus OT battle.

    ===============================

    Two lazy slugs that Chicago laughed out of town? Just what we need.

  • Dmac2008

    RaiderSam, Trueblood and Shianco. just fir workouts.. Im not saying sign all these people lol

  • willy91137

    I wonder how many of our players that are cut will get picked up by another team

    if they cut Wilson somebody will pick him up and I think somebody would pick Vernon that kid does not drop balls I hope we can get him on the practice squad
    he had some other teams invite him to camp he came to the Raiders because he thought he had the best chance to stick on the 53 man

  • the famous dr robert

    @CTcard44: wish i had a little more time here to show what i got but its a tough business.. thanks for the opportunity

  • 0ak r8rs

    Willy91137 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am
    Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:37 am
    RaiderSam Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    any waived players you want in for a tryout?

    T Max Starks
    CB Marcus Trufant
    QB Dennis Dixon
    TE Jake Ballard
    CB Marc Anthony
    OT JMarcus Webb
    QB Trent Edwards
    OG Kasey Studdard
    LB Gary Guyton
    QB Vince Young

    ======================================
    I wonder if Vince Young has anything left he would be a good backup for prior
    if he doesn’t have a nervous breakdown and start crying

    @@@@@@@@

    Bellicheck is a facking scumbag. Jake Ballard released? That POS bellicheat claimed Ballard of IR/waived. Something no one EVER does. And then cuts him? He had a spot on the Giants. Then bellicheat takes him, uses him up, cuts him an effectively ends his career. I hate that mutherfacker.

  • Dmac2008

    J Hill yes. Waived from the Niners per rotoworld

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    Raiders for life Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Raider cuts starting to trickle in. Chase Thomas, first casualty.

    ======================================

    I’d wonder if he’d be a PS possibility.

  • DJ Johnny

    RaiderSam Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Dmac2008 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:40 am
    Webb can not be worse than Willie Smith can he???
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    and Webb cannot be any worse than Willie Smith – the issue is the guaranteed money as he is more experienced and was a starter (the one Cutler dogged out on camera in front of teammates.)

    part 2 – others…any takers?

    QB Seneca Wallace
    OT Jeremy Trueblood
    WR Derek Hagan (again)
    OG Brandyn Dombrowski
    SS Tom Zbikowski
    WR Devin Aromashodu
    DE Kyle Moore
    TE Visanthe Shiancoe
    RB DJ Harper

    Shiancoe stands out. He was a stud w/ Favre in Minnesota.

    Don’t know what happened to cause his precipitous fall.

  • the famous dr robert

    @cmccosky: Ron Bartell has been cut by the Lions

  • 0ak r8rs

    Dmac2008 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:48 am
    RaiderSam, Trueblood and Shianco. just fir workouts.. Im not saying sign all these people lol

    @@@@@@@

    Shianco has been cut by at least 3 teams in two years. Safe to say he is used up. And we just drafted two TEs?

  • 0ak r8rs

    DJ Johnny Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:49 am
    RaiderSam Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Dmac2008 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:40 am
    Webb can not be worse than Willie Smith can he???
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    and Webb cannot be any worse than Willie Smith – the issue is the guaranteed money as he is more experienced and was a starter (the one Cutler dogged out on camera in front of teammates.)

    part 2 – others…any takers?

    QB Seneca Wallace
    OT Jeremy Trueblood
    WR Derek Hagan (again)
    OG Brandyn Dombrowski
    SS Tom Zbikowski
    WR Devin Aromashodu
    DE Kyle Moore
    TE Visanthe Shiancoe
    RB DJ Harper

    Shiancoe stands out. He was a stud w/ Favre in Minnesota.

    Don’t know what happened to cause his precipitous fall.

    @@@@@@

    Kinda the point, isn’t it? Didn’t favre retire like 10 years ago? A little sarcasm, but you get my point. Chances r pretty good that anyone that played w favre is used up by now.

  • Dmac2008

    Oak, im just saying for a workout. Our TE’s are young and inexperienced, he prob would not beat them out tho. worth a look is all im sayin

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    RaiderSam Says:
    Trent Edwards isn’t likely to come back, and is a sack waiting to happen behind this line.
    =======================================================

    I thought he was better than Boller in that preseason.
    Woot! Woot! I know.
    (Woot!’s courtesy of Dakota)

  • RaiderSam

    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:50 am
    Dmac2008 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:48 am
    RaiderSam, Trueblood and Shianco. just fir workouts.. Im not saying sign all these people lol

    @@@@@@@

    Shianco has been cut by at least 3 teams in two years. Safe to say he is used up. And we just drafted two TEs?

    ———

    They’re nicked up, one could be cut, another sent to practice squad, and yeah – Shiancoe might be done – but Ballard might have something in the tank.

  • RaiderKenny24

    Khalid Mack on Buffalo looking beastly today – he’s keeping Buffalo in the game with his big plays and stout spying of Braxton Miller.

    Mack will be a 1st round pick next year.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    0ak r8rs Says:
    Kinda the point, isn’t it? Didn’t favre retire like 10 years ago? A little sarcasm, but you get my point. Chances r pretty good that anyone that played w favre is used up by now.
    ========================================================

    His dog looked pretty healthy in that commercial.

  • RaiderSam

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:52 am
    RaiderSam Says:
    Trent Edwards isn’t likely to come back, and is a sack waiting to happen behind this line.
    =======================================================

    I thought he was better than Boller in that preseason.
    Woot! Woot! I know.
    (Woot!’s courtesy of Dakota)

    ———-

    Purvisman. He was. I think he was miffed, and didnt want to sign back on after the Eagles let him go.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Seneca Wallace is another option. Trent Edwards isn’t likely to come back, and is a sack waiting to happen behind this line.

    @@@@@@@@

    Seneca facking Wallace???? Why don’t we call and see if Bubby Brister is available?? Holy shlt.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
    0ak r8rs Says:
    Kinda the point, isn’t it? Didn’t favre retire like 10 years ago? A little sarcasm, but you get my point. Chances r pretty good that anyone that played w favre is used up by now.
    ========================================================

    His dog looked pretty healthy in that commercial.

    @@@@@@@@

    Well have him bring the dog in for a tryout then.

  • RaiderSam

    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
    Seneca Wallace is another option. Trent Edwards isn’t likely to come back, and is a sack waiting to happen behind this line.

    @@@@@@@@

    Seneca facking Wallace???? Why don’t we call and see if Bubby Brister is available?? Holy shlt.

    ———

    any worse than Flynn looked v. Saints?

  • the famous dr robert

    All four qbs still on the team after one cut!

  • willy91137

    I don’t care if they cut Wilson he’s got toddler hands did you see him Thursday night he goes to throw the ball then it slipped right out of his hand that them toddler hands

  • Dmac2008

    lol @972

  • Dmac2008

    what a sad state the Raiders are in… Checking out other teams garbage for starters…. ugh

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    David Bass is cut. I’d DEFINITELY look for him on the PS.

  • the famous dr robert

    @jthom1: Raiders releaset DE David Bass, from University City High and Missouri Western State.

  • the famous dr robert

    Looks like Reggie’s final pick always bites it.

  • the famous dr robert

    Bass was Brien’s big pick.

  • DJ Johnny

    willy91137 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:48 am

    I wonder how many of our players that are cut will get picked up by another team

    if they cut Wilson somebody will pick him up and I think somebody would pick Vernon that kid does not drop balls I hope we can get him on the practice squad
    he had some other teams invite him to camp he came to the Raiders because he thought he had the best chance to stick on the 53 man

    I didn’t see enough of Vernon to notice if he was a “dropper” or not but if he is a guy who catches the ball then we need to see him on the field.

    I was hoping he was gonna be our little Wes Welker guy.

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    the famous dr robert Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Looks like Reggie’s final pick always bites it.

    ====================================

    How many seventh-rounders league-wide make it onto a roster? And I’m sure Bass will be back in a day or two. Dude probably didn’t even clear out his locker.

  • Dmac2008

    I do not like the David Bass being released but, oh well… not the end of the world.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    J Hill Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 6:53 am
    no touch, was a line drive.

    No chance to catch it.

    —————————————————————————-

    Do you have the game on DVR?

    I’d love to watch that replay with you right now.

    Pryor looked over the defense, immediately identified Moore in single coverage, and was WAITING for him to frickin’ get of the line and into his route. Of course Barron ole’s his man right into Pryor’s face.

    I contend that if Moore get’s into his route, that play is completely different.

    ===

    Yeah, they call that locking onto a single target. Pryor’s forte.

    A good QB would recognize that the primary timing route wasn’t going to be there Moore got off to a slow start about two steps into the route. At that point he should be looking for another option.

    But that takes a quicker mind than Terrelle “I’m stuck on my” Pryor read can detect.

  • RaiderKenny24

    Hope Vernon,Bass make practice squad. They could develop into contributors IMO.

  • the famous dr robert

    Bass looked undersized and not that quick to me.

    Made a few plays but in the whole, I wasn’t that impressed.

  • Raiders for life

    Since they cut Bass I sure as fck hope they’ve got their eyes on someone else.

  • RaiderSam

    Dmac2008 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:58 am
    what a sad state the Raiders are in… Checking out other teams garbage for starters…. ugh

    ==========

    That would be for depth – and trivia; each free agent the Raider picked were a few spots above or below our drafted player that same year. So we didnt draft, then ended up signing players we didnt draft pushing the cap forward.

    it was the coaching turnover and ineffective picks. Plain and simple – the Jamarcus Russell over Calvin Johnson pick was devastating – we had to spend to sacrifice 2012 and 2013, just for a couple of .500 seasons (remember the ridiculous money to Tommy Kelly and Stanford Routt?

  • the famous dr robert

    Hey this could be fun if we get one at a time.

    Only 20 more.

  • raideralex99

    Wow … You guys are racist … Cut Flynn and pick up Vince Young.

  • J Hill

    Bass????

    SMH

  • RaiderSam

    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am
    Bass looked undersized and not that quick to me.

    Made a few plays but in the whole, I wasn’t that impressed.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    Kyle Moore might be worth a look; “Moore was signed to a one-year contract in April, a year after starting seven games and registering three sacks for the Bills. He was competing for the No. 4 defensive end job in Chicago, but lost out to rookie Cornelius Washington”
    -source; Rotoworld

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Vince Young cut in GB. They’re running with 2 QBs. Could Reggie have a trade in the works?

  • Dmac2008

    Raider Sam, I understand the situation, and why the Raiders are in it. Does not make it any less devastating though.

  • the famous dr robert

    I guess Reggie decided to throw Bass back.

    Catch and release.

  • Raiders for life

    Good point by Jer

    Jerry McDonald ‏@Jerrymcd 3m
    Have to be careful with unconfirmed roster moves. Remember a couple of years back, Stevie Brown thought he’d made team. Found out otherwise.

  • 0ak r8rs

    You guys do realize, I hope, that if you already have a big pile of shlt (our team, for example) and you add more shlt to it (Shiancoe, Wallace for example) the stinking pile of shlt just gets bigger. You do know that, right?

    And lets say we get rid of some of our shlt (bubble guys, for example) for some other teams cast off shlt (young, bartel, for example) you’ve just traded shlt that you already know what it smells like and what it can do for you, for some other guys shlt that could have worms or ecoli or god knows what.

    If there’s a gem out there that we r 99% sure can contribute, then fantastic. Grab him. I expect to pick up one or two. But there’s no point in trading shlt for shlt. I’ll stick w my own shlt, it smells better.

  • Stringer Bell

    Looks like they went with Ryan Robinson over Bass. This roster will change as Reggie sifts through the garbage.

  • the famous dr robert

    Zymurge Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:06 am
    Vince Young cut in GB. They’re running with 2 QBs. Could Reggie have a trade in the works?
    ^********
    Pryor to buffalo