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Allen won’t name QB, but Watson is left tackle

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, August 30th, 2013 at 6:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.

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Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Friday he still hasn’t told Matt Flynn or Terrelle Pryor who would be the starting quarterback, but he did anoint rookie Menelik Watson as the starting left tackle.

Speaking to media by conference call, Allen declined to get into specifics regarding the roster cutdown to 53 or position battles, choosing to wait until the 53-man roster is assembled Saturday at 3 p.m.

“I would anticipate that Menelik Watson would be our starter for the opening game,’’ Allen said, referring to the Raiders first regular-season game on Sept. 8 on the road against the Indianapolis Colts.

Watson missed almost all of training camp with a calf strain and played left tackle against Seattle into the third quarter after being a right tackle throughout his 19-game career at Saddleback Community College and Florida State.

It would have been tough to tell in a 22-6 loss to Seattle, as Watson committed no penalties and showed the kind of athletic skill that made him the Raiders second-round draft pick.

“After watching the tape, I was impressed,’’ Allen said. “I thought he looked comfortable over there. I thought he played hard, I thought he played physical, which is something I wanted to see . . . I thought he would do well because he’s a big, powerful man.

“He just hasn’t played the position a lot and he’s got to go through the growing process over there.’’

As for which quarterback Watson will be protecting, Allen wouldn’t say, other than he’ll inform the quarterbacks themselves “sooner, rather than later.’’

Pryor’s statistical line (3 of 8 passing, 31 yards, one interception and 9.9 passer rating) was unimpressive, but Allen said he wasn’t overly concerned with those numbers.

“You want your quarterback to be able to make plays,’’ Allen said. “It really doesn’t matter what the box score says at the end of the game, how many yards they ran for or how many completions they had. What it really boils down to is how they move the team and are we effective and do we score enough points.’’

When the preseason ended, both Flynn and Pryor had been at quarterback for 13 drives. Flynn produced 10 points in those drives and Pryor 32, although Flynn’s work was against first-team defenses.

– The offensive line could undergo another reshuffle before the season opener. Tony Bergstrom, who had seemed to settle in at left guard, sustained a “significant’’ foot injury and Allen said it looked like the second-year player would miss some time.

If Bergstrom is out, Allen said the likely option would be moving Lucas Nix back to left guard and re-inserting Mike Brisiel at right guard. Brisiel had missed time with a knee injury but fared well playing with the second team against Seattle with the knowledge that his roster spot was at stake.

“He knew he needed to go into the game and play pretty well and I thought he did that,’’ Allen said.

Two other potential starters are also iffy to face Indianapolis. Sio Moore, the rookie strong side linebacker who was been with the first team since he arrived, missed the Seattle game with a toe injury. Tight end David Ausberry has been out with a shoulder injury.

Allen said he would have a better idea on both players when the Raiders return to practice Monday.

– While the Raiders got better pressure on Seattle quarterbacks than they had against Chicago and New Orleans, not much of the pass rush came from veteran defensive end Andre Carter.

“I don’t know that he was able to get after the passer as much as we would have liked,’’ Allen said. “He was really solid in run-support.’’

– Allen said he wouldn’t rule out keeping four quarterbacks on the roster. He said No. 4 quarterback Tyler Wilson had good command of the huddle but “looked like he hadn’t gotten a lot of playing time.’’

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Raideralex99 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am
    Wow … You guys are racist … Cut Flynn and pick up Vince Young.

    ===

    Would it be racist to suggest picking up Tebow instead of Young?

    (not that I want either mind you – one poor decision making all run, no throw QB is enough for any roster)

  • shutdown

    Bare with just a bit, I hate comparing our team to the team across the bay. But remember what happened there? Smith is more of a game manager, same as Flynn. Kap and TP have similar skill set, TP may be an overall better athlete than Kap. If you recall they put packages in strictly for Kap, maybe 3 or 4 series a game or even situational plays. I think that’s what the staff had in mind for our group this year. It’s not playing out the same way for us so far but if we can get the oline to play with some consistency, press the edges with speed and some good inside running it should open stuff up downfield. Our receivers, other than Streater do not run consistent timing routes. Fly patterns it is. That’s where they all have to step up otherwise we’re going to struggle. TP or Flynn need all the help they can get
    _________________________________________________

    The TP/ Kap comparison is not apt. A contrast would be more appropriate. Both are superb athletes, but Kap could and can mentally identify the spot at which the ball and the receiver will intersect; further, he can physically deliver the ball to that point his brain has identified.

    So far TP has shown no ability to do that. Further, there is no correlation between the ability to identify the spot and the ability to throw a spiral. So, to think that practice will change things is just that–hope.

    There are a lot of kids with raw athletic talent and there are a lot of kids with arms that while not the equal of Elway’s or Jamarcus Russell’s when it comes to strength are still capable of meeting an NFL standard but not until you get someone who can combine a decent arm and the ability to mentally calculate in a split second a spot to which a ball must be thrown (calculating distance, speed, etc.) while a moving target is approaching it will you ever have an NFL caliber qb.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am
    I guess Reggie decided to throw Bass back.

    Catch and release.

    ===

    Not bad!

    Can we now say that he’s doing a Bass Solo?

  • Dmac2008

    Oak, Osgood is the only legit player cut so far. . IMO the rest of the people people being mentioned are ,hey lets work this guy out and see what he has. Nothing more nothing less.

  • 0ak r8rs

    RaiderSam Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am
    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
    Seneca Wallace is another option. Trent Edwards isn’t likely to come back, and is a sack waiting to happen behind this line.

    @@@@@@@@

    Seneca facking Wallace???? Why don’t we call and see if Bubby Brister is available?? Holy shlt.

    ———

    any worse than Flynn looked v. Saints?

    @@@@@@”

    Actually. Yes.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Dmac2008 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Oak, Osgood is the only legit player cut so far. . IMO the rest of the people people being mentioned are ,hey lets work this guy out and see what he has. Nothing more nothing less.

    @@@@@@@

    Agreed. I’m sure most of this is just cut day chatter. Just trying to bring some balance.

  • RaiderSam

    Raideralex99 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am
    Wow … You guys are racist … Cut Flynn and pick up Vince Young.

    —————-

    no, sneak Wilson/mcgloin through waivers and have Young as the fail-safe if Pryor declines and Flynn isn’t quite back from elbow tendenitis

    one of those two would be on practice squad.

    consensus
    Ramses Barden/Kaseem Osgood
    Vince Young
    Jake Ballard
    Kyle Moore

    PS
    Chase Thomas
    McGloin/Tyler Wilson
    David Bass
    Chance Casey
    Conner Vernon

    cuts to make up – for waiver pick ups?
    Denarius Moore – trade or J.Ford
    Dennis Ausberry (injury settlement)
    Jack Crawford

  • DJ Johnny

    OakR8rs will love this: How about Jordan Palmer? Carson’s little bro.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    0ak r8rs Says:
    And lets say we get rid of some of our shlt (bubble guys, for example) for some other teams cast off shlt (young, bartel, for example) you’ve just traded shlt that you already know what it smells like and what it can do for you, for some other guys shlt that could have worms or ecoli or god knows what.
    ======================================================

    Oocysts(eggs) of Nematodes, Trichuris, Cappelaria, E. Macenusis, E. Lamae, and other Coccidias and Strongyles,etc., etc.

    You don’t know sh1t, Oak!
    I know my sh1t.

  • Marko32

    Vikings already gave up Zbikowski? ND?

  • Dmac2008

    I much rather talk about possible players to be brought in than the constant Flynn vs Pryor bs lol

  • the famous dr robert

    Chiefs cut tony moeaki

  • J Hill

    Rick Drummond ‏@PFF_Rick 5m

    David Bass got long look, played 70 snaps, more than all but 2 #Raiders defenders. Produced 4 total pressures on 57 rushes. Robinson 7 on 50

  • willy91137

    may be they put bass on the practice squad will pick up some garbage thrown in the pot
    and make a terrible stew

  • 0ak r8rs

    DJ Johnny Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:13 am
    OakR8rs will love this: How about Jordan Palmer? Carson’s little bro.

    @@@@@@

    Fack that piece of shlt too! Haha.

  • Dmac2008

    lol at 1008 , awesome.

  • RaiderSam

    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:11 am
    RaiderSam Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am
    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
    Seneca Wallace is another option. Trent Edwards isn’t likely to come back, and is a sack waiting to happen behind this line.

    @@@@@@@@

    Seneca facking Wallace???? Why don’t we call and see if Bubby Brister is available?? Holy shlt.

    ———

    any worse than Flynn looked v. Saints?

    @@@@@@”

    Actually. Yes.

    ———–

    Really?

    Wallace 31 career TDs 18 int
    Flynn 9 career TD 5 int

    Wallace 81 rating
    Flynn 92 rating

  • 0ak r8rs

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:14 am
    0ak r8rs Says:
    And lets say we get rid of some of our shlt (bubble guys, for example) for some other teams cast off shlt (young, bartel, for example) you’ve just traded shlt that you already know what it smells like and what it can do for you, for some other guys shlt that could have worms or ecoli or god knows what.
    ======================================================

    Oocysts(eggs) of Nematodes, Trichuris, Cappelaria, E. Macenusis, E. Lamae, and other Coccidias and Strongyles,etc., etc.

    You don’t know sh1t, Oak!
    I know my sh1t.

    @@@@@@@

    Agreed.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    the famous dr robert Says:
    Pryor to buffalo
    ========================================================

    Just don’t suggest he shuffle there.

  • Dmac2008

    Hoping for a miracle Pass rushing cut from some stacked team. Fingers crossed.

  • 0ak r8rs

    RaiderSam Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:16 am
    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:11 am
    RaiderSam Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am
    0ak R8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
    Seneca Wallace is another option. Trent Edwards isn’t likely to come back, and is a sack waiting to happen behind this line.

    @@@@@@@@

    Seneca facking Wallace???? Why don’t we call and see if Bubby Brister is available?? Holy shlt.

    ———

    any worse than Flynn looked v. Saints?

    @@@@@@”

    Actually. Yes.

    ———–

    Really?

    Wallace 31 career TDs 18 int
    Flynn 9 career TD 5 int

    Wallace 81 rating
    Flynn 92 rating

    @@@@@@@

    Let it go. I’m not gonna get in a debate between Flynn and Wallace. That’s like having a debate over the preference of a heart attack vs a stroke.

    Just let it go.

    And Wallace sucks.

  • Dmac2008

    As much as I cant stand VY, sadly he is probably better than any QB we have right now. Depressing.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    the famous dr robert Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am
    Bass looked undersized and not that quick to me.

    Made a few plays but in the whole, I wasn’t that impressed.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yeah, me either.
    Pretty sure Bass was suprised though.

  • the famous dr robert

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:17 am
    the famous dr robert Says:
    Pryor to buffalo
    ========================================================

    Just don’t suggest he shuffle there.
    ********
    I nearly did but figured no one would get the reference.

    42nd street?

  • RaiderKenny24

    Upset Saturdayyyyyyyyyy! The power of North Dakota State compels you – WV,OSU,Texas A&M…

  • the famous dr robert

    I hear part of the problem with Bass is that he’s got a big mouth.

  • 0ak r8rs

    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:21 am
    I hear part of the problem with Bass is that he’s got a big mouth.

    @@@@@@@

    I heard he was a fish out of water.

  • Dmac2008

    lol Well played Dr.

  • the famous dr robert

    Is mowaki healthy?

  • Marko32

    TB has an abundance of rushing DE’s including Trevor Scott. Who seems to have come into his own. Lookout for TB cuts

  • Dmac2008

    Bass got cut, now he is sleeping with the fishies.

  • the famous dr robert

    Bass had a nice swim move.

    Conditioning seemed to be a problem though.

    Always flapping around, gasping for air.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    DJ Johnny Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:13 am
    OakR8rs will love this: How about Jordan Palmer? Carson’s little bro.

    ===

    I actually predicted that as a long shot that he would be brought into camp about 3-4 months ago. Not because he’s Palmer’s lil bro, but because Olsen had him in Jacksonville before. I thought he might bring him in the same way Knapp did with Leinart as a guy that already knows his system.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL25m
    I could see another team pouncing on DE David Bass. Raiders might be in for surprise if they’re hoping they can sneak Bass through waivers.

  • Dmac2008

    Dr, I dont think he is healthy. Dude is young enough to still play, guess he has to be injured right?

  • the famous dr robert

    Bass wasn’t cut.

    He was filleted.

  • Derek

    Was Bass actually cut ? Dude was one of the only true pass rushers on the team.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    If they think Bass played like crap, does that make him a Bass-turd?

  • inonewordraider

    J Hill Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am
    Rick Drummond ‏@PFF_Rick 5m

    David Bass got long look, played 70 snaps, more than all but 2 #Raiders defenders. Produced 4 total pressures on 57 rushes. Robinson 7 on 50

    _________
    to be fair bass was against left tackles, robinson against right tackles

    both should make the team as they are our two best pass rushers

  • Derek

    WOW, DA is a terrible evaluator of talent.

  • Dmac2008

    Marko, sure lets bring back the nut cracker Scott.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Joshua McDaniels‏@JoshuaMcDaniel215m
    @CorkOnTheNFL Why in the world would it even be conceivable to cut the guy who gave you best pass rush?????????

  • the famous dr robert

    Dmac2008 Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:25 am
    Dr, I dont think he is healthy. Dude is young enough to still play, guess he has to be injured right?
    ******
    Gotta be. Otherwise jump on him.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    He wasn’t cut. He was given Bass-relief to work on sculpting his physique.

  • http://WhyWontGodHealAmputees.com Sir RaiderDuck, OMS

    I recall Public Enemy:

    BASS! How low can you go?…through waivers.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Zymurge Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:25 am
    DJ Johnny Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:13 am
    OakR8rs will love this: How about Jordan Palmer? Carson’s little bro.

    ===

    I actually predicted that as a long shot that he would be brought into camp about 3-4 months ago. Not because he’s Palmer’s lil bro, but because Olsen had him in Jacksonville before. I thought he might bring him in the same way Knapp did with Leinart as a guy that already knows his system.

    @@@@@@@

    I saw him a little bit in preseason. Not very impressive. No more than what we have in McGloin and Wilson anyway.

  • DJ Johnny

    0ak r8rs Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    The Famous Dr Robert Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:21 am
    I hear part of the problem with Bass is that he’s got a big mouth.

    @@@@@@@

    I heard he was a fish out of water.

    I thought he was a smallmouth bass.

  • the famous dr robert

    Something fishy about the Bass cut.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
    August 31st, 2013 at 11:27 am
    Joshua McDaniels‏@JoshuaMcDaniel215m
    @CorkOnTheNFL Why in the world would it even be conceivable to cut the guy who gave you best pass rush?????????

    ====

    It’s either Reggie’s anti-Pryor conspiracy in play or #PalmersFault. There is no other logical explanation.

  • the famous dr robert

    I like getting one cut at a time.

    Plenty of time for jokes.