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The utter catrosphe of cutting Tyler Wilson

Looks like the Raiders are toast.

They cut Tyler Wilson, the No. 112 pick overall in the NFL draft. No team has admitted blowing a draft pick to that extent (although there is a miniscule chance Wilson could return on the practice squad) and it’s being presented as evidence that the Reggie McKenzie era is destined for failure.

Maybe so.

It’s pretty embarrassing to cut fourth-round draft pick in favor of undrafted free agent Matt McGloin. If only they’d selected McGloin instead, McKenzie and Co. would look as if they knew what they were doing.

Probably not, though. The Raiders would have been trashed for that pick too. That’s the way it works when you’re in charge of a losing team.

Basically, anything the Patriots and Ravens do is brilliant, and a lot of other teams have a lot left to be desired. And that’s not wrong. You look to successful business models to forecast success.

The only thing that counts is results, so here are a few thoughts to keep in mind (or promptly disregard):

– Being the team that cut the highest pick (No. 112) is embarrassing and it’s a mistake. Could have found another player at a different position that could contribute, maybe even start, on a roster with limited talent.

– It’s not the end of the world, JaMarcus Russell-style, not even close. Especially if McGloin performs to the level of the fourth-round pick Wilson was supposed to be. Teams whiff on fourth-round picks all the time. As colleague Steve Corkran pointed out, the Raiders dumped
Cal wide receiver Dameane Douglas in the Jon Gruden era (a fourth-round pick) and third-rounder Quintin Moses after Rob Ryan proclaimed him “unblockable.”

Neither of those mistakes changed the course of the franchise.

– The Raiders draft, as of now, looks much better than it did a month ago, even with the Wilson whiff. The first two picks, D.J. Hayden and Menelik Watson, will be important parts of the opener against Indianapolis on Sept. 8. During training camp, it didn’t look that way.

If Hayden and Watson are flops this year, that will be the reason for the demise of McKenzie, not because of missing on a quarterback who wasn’t going to play this year anyway.

– Unless Wilson surfaces on another team and thrives as a starter, it’s no more than an annoyance. If he’s Brett Favre, drafted by the Falcons but dumped to the Packers, then the Raiders have to live with it.

– Wilson fared well in the offseason in the rookie minicamp, organized team activities and mandatory camp (although less so at each step) before floundering at training camp.

While the Allen was stressing “competition” throughout, the truth is that if Wilson had looked like the better prospect a year from now, he would have been the third quarterback. The Raiders can talk all they want about competing on the field, but McKenzie’s job is to project, and if he thought Wilson would be the better player in 2014, he would be a Raider today.

In terms of the way the Raiders have assembled talent since McKenzie arrived, they’ve got a lot to answer for if they flounder in 2013. The drafting and release of Wilson will be only one thing on a lengthy list.

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  • Just Fire Baby

    JFB even with all the infuries? Not impressed with with the guard play at all.

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    Injuries surely can play a part in that, but most of these guys we bring in won’t even be on the team in November.

    At least that’s the way it went last year.

  • http://www.christianitydisproved.com/ Silverandblack666

    Good Morning PURV.

    How are your well hung Llama’s?

  • hellsbells

    Good point, we will see. Like big guards in power scheme.

  • Raider Riff

    On NFL shop you can buy a jersey of just about any Raider. Even cut guys like Kluwe and Duke Calhoun.

    Still no Pryor jersey for sale. WTF.

  • Kirk

    We had a first overall pick who threw for 4000 yards with no WRs and everyone hated him here.

    Still do…
    ……………………………………………….

    They hate him in Cinci too.

    And they will learn to hate him in Arizona.

  • Chris in NY

    Also, forget QB ratings based on a sample of 8 passes. I thought Pryor looked fine other than under throwing Ford on that fly pattern. That was really his only bad pass. Decisions seemed fine. Running ability was obviously great. He didn’t get a chance to do much that was special, but there was nothing to make me think he’s not ready or that he’s not clearly a superior option to Flynn.

    Pryor is our starting QB.

  • Just Fire Baby

    The only thing I know about this McClain guy is the Ravens switched to ZBS in 2011, this guy was undrafted, brought in, and never got off the practice squad.

    So I would label him a Undrafted, failed ZBS guard.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Gdog Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:45 am
    Here are your last Super Bowl winning QB’s:

    -Flacco
    -Eli
    -Rodgers
    -Brees
    -Big Ben
    -Eli
    -Peyton
    -Big Ben

    All first round picks but Brees, who was the first pick in the 2nd round.

    >>>>>

    We had a first overall pick who threw for 4000 yards with no WRs and everyone hated him here.

    Still do…

    @@@@@@@@@

    Only because he was a quitting/choking/loser who had never won anything and never will and doesn’t deserve to have his name mentioned in the same sentence w the guys above.

    Otherwise, he was ok I guess.

  • Raider Riff

    What “talent” was Reggie supposed to keep?

    We whiffed on 1st round picks for nearly a decade. We had no talent.

    In fact, our most talented player got ran out of town by you guys (cp3) and our second most talented (DMC) takes constant abuse from fans.

  • http://none Marley Bob

    Chris in NY Says:

    I went back and watched the Seattle game last night, paying close attention to Watson this time. Guy looked great. Great athleticism, good power and what looked like pretty good technique especially for someone so new to the game.

    Assuming we keep Veldheer, I think we’ve got our bookend tackles and starting center for years to come. This is excellent. Still have to do something about the guards though. Anyone know anything about this new guy we picked up from Clemson and the Ravens? At this point I’ve got to believe there are a lot of guys who would be an upgrade over Brisiel.

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    Chris.

    Yeah, it is certainly looking that way, I mean that we have our OT’s and C for the next few years.

    We already had Jared and Wis but Reggie adding another quality and maybe Pro Bowl talent like Watson is huge, the foundation is set, you can find Guards in mid-late rounds and even as Undrafted FA’s.

    Nix has a chance to pan out as well, specially at RG, too bad Veldy is gonna miss time, but by the end of the year this OL should be very good and in 2014, watch out.

  • willy91137

    Chris In NY Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:49 am
    I went back and watched the Seattle game last night, paying close attention to Watson this time. Guy looked great. Great athleticism, good power and what looked like pretty good technique especially for someone so new to the game.
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    but did you see him when he went to throw the ball when he cocked his arm the ball fell out of his hand
    toddler hands that was the icing on the cake I can see that guy playing when it’s cold

    I don’t know why they didn’t notice that when they put them on the board

  • 0ak r8rs

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:52 am
    On NFL shop you can buy a jersey of just about any Raider. Even cut guys like Kluwe and Duke Calhoun.

    Still no Pryor jersey for sale. WTF.

    @@@@@@@@@

    Hrm. Think it has anything to do w his memorabilia issues at OSU and the suspension? Like, he can’t make money on his jersey for 4 years or something? I have no basis for that. Just throwing it out there because it is pretty incredible that you can’t buy a Pryor jersey.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    The smoke in Reno is horrible.

    Yesterday was one of those days where the air was very still. No wind or breeze at all, and humid.

    Overcast, but even when the sun peeked out, the smoke haze just obliterated it.

    Getting really annoying.

    After awhile you don’t smell the smoke unless you’re coming out of an air-conditioned building, but you sure as heck can feel it in your eyes.

    I can stop buying packs of Winston and just inhale the air deeply.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Willy91137 Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:57 am
    Chris In NY Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:49 am
    I went back and watched the Seattle game last night, paying close attention to Watson this time. Guy looked great. Great athleticism, good power and what looked like pretty good technique especially for someone so new to the game.
    ========================================
    but did you see him when he went to throw the ball when he cocked his arm the ball fell out of his hand
    toddler hands that was the icing on the cake I can see that guy playing when it’s cold

    I don’t know why they didn’t notice that when they put them on the board

    @@@@@@@

    Watson. Not Wilson.

  • Chris in NY

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:46 am
    I highly doubt anyone we pick up on these waiver-wires even starts one game for us this year.

    All depth stuff, and just like last year Reggie will bring guys in, cut them, bring someone else in, etc etc.

    It’s all the process.

    —————-

    Probably, but if Brisiel has to start and is a total fiasco, I could see them throwing someone else out there. Especially if the Watson for Barron move works out as well as it did on Friday.

  • Gdog

    Chris in NY Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:49 am

    I went back and watched the Seattle game last night, paying close attention to Watson this time. Guy looked great. Great athleticism, good power and what looked like pretty good technique especially for someone so new to the game.

    Assuming we keep Veldheer, I think we’ve got our bookend tackles and starting center for years to come. This is excellent. Still have to do something about the guards though. Anyone know anything about this new guy we picked up from Clemson and the Ravens? At this point I’ve got to believe there are a lot of guys who would be an upgrade over Brisiel.

    >>>>

    He got more snaps than any other Raven o-lineman and got cut. That means to me they took a long hard look at him and decided he sucked.

    And Balt usually doesn’t screw up things like that.

  • Myopinion

    S and b has his draft profile, 2012 I think he was drafted. Jfb, this team is different than most, were counting on mid to late rounders all over the field, his size alone should upgrade bergs.

  • Raider Fan in Fremont

    If you are going to build a team of dumpster finds, you best have superior type and gifted coaches to coach them up. The HC and assts. will have to be so excellent and managing a game they would actually account for some wins ( timely play calling, proper substitutions, correct challenges, half time adjustments, game planning) all the sh*t good coaching does. We don’t have a team that can just go bowl opponents over. Allen must do a above average job with this team of dumpster finds. Many people don’t expect us to win a game. If we lose game two, then it is a sure thing our off season has come early. Coaches need to be smart.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I got to pump the brakes on Watson a tad.

    He played a half against backups, by the time it was the 3rd quarter he was playing against guys who were cut this weekend.

    Looked very promising, a great start, but let’s see some real bullets fly against actual NFL starters this weekend.

    And even if he plays really good or really bad, can we stop the day to day updates on how good of pick he was?

    It will take a few years to pan out.

  • willy91137

    Chris.

    Yeah, it is certainly looking that way, I mean that we have our OT’s and C for the next few years.

    We already had Jared and Wis but Reggie adding another quality and maybe Pro Bowl talent like Watson is huge, the foundation is set, you can find Guards in mid-late rounds and even as Undrafted FA’s.

    Nix has a chance to pan out as well, specially at RG, too bad Veldy is gonna miss time, but by the end of the year this OL should be very good and in 2014, watch out.
    =================================
    And with Teddy Bridgewater we should look like a winning football team

  • the famous dr robert

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:41 am
    Dr Rob tells a black man to “dance boy dance” and yet he claims to have no idea why that would be deemed offensive and/or racist.

    Troll 101
    *********
    It wasn’t racial. It referred to my prior post of telling him he was doing a dance cuz he was saying last week that DA was the worst coach ever and now was saying how DA was the man.

    It was more like an Old West thing where they’re shooting at the feet and telling them to dance.

    And treating blacks people like everyone else and not having kid gloves in is actually non-racist.

    I can’t facetiously tell a black man to dance when there’s no racist meaning implied?

    Ridiculous. It’s all about intent.

    Black people can’t walk around with their race card ready at every moment. That makes them weak.

    It’s 2013. We can treat each other like people. And that applies to jokes as well.

    Of course I explained this to eastoak last night but u still want to bring it up.

    U and the other dishonest POS bring race up continually, always trying to use it as a tool.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Just Fire Baby Says:

    Purivs,

    How is the smoke where you are at?

    It was pretty bad here in the town of Squaw Valley on Saturday, much better today.
    ==================================================

    A little smoky yesterday. You’re like 40 miles due east and the American fire is halfway between us. In general the winds will blow toward you and on in to Reno. Ask PlunkforHOF(and JLofty?).

  • 0ak r8rs

    Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:49 am
    the mystery in my mind is:

    2FBs
    4TEs

    Who gets cut when Burris and Holmes come back?

    @@@@@@@

    Ausberry gets IR’d. That’s one.

  • Just Fire Baby

    When you google “Terrelle Pryor jerseys” you get links to buy both his #2 and #6 jersey at the nflshop

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Silverandblack666 Says:

    Good Morning PURV.

    How are your well hung Llama’s?
    =======================================================

    Well and wet.

  • the famous dr robert

    Lol. Pryor goes 1-5 and the Brigade applauds.

    He goes 3-8 and they anoint him the starter.

    Unreal. Completions kinda count.

  • SnBG

    Good morning nation

    6-10 or better.

  • the famous dr robert

    How exactly does a passer “move the ball” and “put points in the board” without completing passes?

    Quit talking in bullsh1t vague euphemisms and admit its garbage.

  • Gdog

    Raider Riff Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 8:55 am

    What “talent” was Reggie supposed to keep?

    We whiffed on 1st round picks for nearly a decade. We had no talent.

    In fact, our most talented player got ran out of town by you guys (cp3) and our second most talented (DMC) takes constant abuse from fans.

    >>>>

    You mean the starters on other teams? Like CP, Kelly, DHB, Bryant (when he gets uninjured) or Wheeler?

    Yes, these are ALL starters for other teams.

    We replaced them all with backups from other teams (or in the case of WR, NOBODY).

    You didn’t NOTICE?

  • Just Fire Baby

    I predicted Flynn, Pryor and McGloin all get a start this year and I saw nothing from this preseason that would indicate otherwise.

    Pryor is a FA after next year, and you don’t want to go into a QB controversary with one guy’s future up in the air. He will get starts to figure that out.

    FLynn was traded for and paid more than any other QB. He will get some starts to prove how that worked.

    And McGloin was kept over a 4th round pick. He will get a start (IMO week 17) to see if we played that right.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 am
    I got to pump the brakes on Watson a tad.

    He played a half against backups, by the time it was the 3rd quarter he was playing against guys who were cut this weekend.

    Looked very promising, a great start, but let’s see some real bullets fly against actual NFL starters this weekend.

    And even if he plays really good or really bad, can we stop the day to day updates on how good of pick he was?

    It will take a few years to pan out.

    @@@@@@@@@

    Really nuts around here. Hurts his calf and misses 2+ weeks of practice and some guys wanna cut him or trade him. Plays one decent half and now he’s a ten year bookend.

    Jeez. The hyperbole in here is incredible sometimes.

  • the famous dr robert

    If Pryor starts, get ready for the worst team in football.

    But hey, we will have a tall qb that runs fast.

  • http://none Marley Bob

    Just Fire Baby Says:

    I got to pump the brakes on Watson a tad.

    He played a half against backups, by the time it was the 3rd quarter he was playing against guys who were cut this weekend.

    Looked very promising, a great start, but let’s see some real bullets fly against actual NFL starters this weekend.

    And even if he plays really good or really bad, can we stop the day to day updates on how good of pick he was?

    It will take a few years to pan out.

    ***************************************************

    True.

    But Watson’s circumstances are special and that’s what made his 1st start such a success.

    Remember this kid was LEARNING how to play football just 2 years ago, at the JUCO level, probably didn’t know the rules.

    Then he missed all of camp and had what? 1 or 2 pracrtices?…and still came in and did a good job vs NFL back-ups.

    This guy learns fast and has an exceptional skill-set, that’s why we are all so excited about him.

  • nycraider

    how does a qb complete 70% of his passes during an entire preseason and not take one snap in the red zone

  • the famous dr robert

    Veld still going to injured list so another guy to come.

    PS has McFadden, mady, G-Jenk, and Leonhardt so far?

    One more.

  • Just Fire Baby

    GDog,

    Does the aging D-lineman thing you were right and applied to Carter also apply to Tommy Kelly?

    They are about the same age.

  • SnBG

    Watson sure looked better than Barron. That says something. He has a lot of upside.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I am excited too Bob.

    Mainly so he can be solid and we can focus our valuable resources on upgrading our skill positions.

  • willy91137

    I sometimes wonder how many real raider fans are in this blog if you don’t think Watson

    is going to be a good to excellent player you must be hoping he doesn’t make it

    all the experts said when we drafted him he had nothing but upside: soprano

    said his lack of experience was good because he had no bad habits soprano is an excellent O line coach and I’m sure he will get him coached up for Sunday

  • Bluestone

    Lol. Pryor goes 1-5 and the Brigade applauds.

    He goes 3-8 and they anoint him the starter.

    Unreal. Completions kinda count.

    *****************************************************

    why do you care what other fans think?

  • the famous dr robert

    Nycraider Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 9:09 am
    how does a qb complete 70% of his passes during an entire preseason and not take one snap in the red zone
    ********
    Did u watch?

    Bad running game. Poor Oline. Stalled drives.

    Limited series.

    OVER TIME (whole games), 70% passers will succeed over sub 50% passers.

    This should be obvious to u unless ur a child, housewife, or possibly a foreigner who is just getting to “zis American ztyle football game”.

  • 0ak r8rs

    You mean the starters on other teams? Like CP, Kelly, DHB, Bryant (when he gets uninjured) or Wheeler?

    @@@@@@@

    Wow. Just…….wow.

    Come on, Gdog. You’re smarter than that.

    Palmer is a overpaid bum that set this team back a year, although the trade of course wasn’t his fault. Never won anywhere, never will.

    You wanna pay DHB $7.8 million? Because that’s what he would have cost. He’s making less than two at Indy. That’s how much they think of him and he’s the number 3 I believe, not really a starter perse.

    Kelly is the dumbest player in football. Lost a few games for us all by himself over the years, and took last year off. I praise him for his durability and his play a few years ago. But not now.

    And you wanna pay Bryant $35 million? And he doesn’t start for us. Not without injury. He had 4 years to make in impact here. And did he? No. Not so much.

  • oakfasho

    20.Marks hair Says:
    September 1st, 2013 at 9:03 pm
    so what are the odds that Reggie passes on Bridgewater and Clowney..?

    ================================================= The retard wont be here for that. I is wantededededededededde my’s own’s guy’s sheeeeeeeeeeeet.

  • the famous dr robert

    Bluestone Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 9:13 am
    Lol. Pryor goes 1-5 and the Brigade applauds.

    He goes 3-8 and they anoint him the starter.

    Unreal. Completions kinda count.

    *****************************************************

    why do you care what other fans think?
    *********
    Who the fvck is “bluestone”?

  • http://none Marley Bob

    Yeah Yeah Dr. Robert.

    We’ve heard you the last 5000 times you said it.

    Now wait for DA to announce the starter.

  • Just Fire Baby

    DHB has been pulled from some 3rd down packages.

    He is the “blocking” WR now on the team.

    Sound familiar?

    Reports from writers were that he drops more passes than anyone they ever seen in practice.

  • the famous dr robert

    Hey jokefashow is here.

    He supports Pryor to start.

    That has to make u guys comfortable in knowing all the smart guys want Pryor.

    Or maybe not.

  • the famous dr robert

    Marley Bob Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 9:15 am
    Yeah Yeah Dr. Robert.

    We’ve heard you the last 5000 times you said it.

    Now wait for DA to announce the starter.
    £*********

    Lol. Laying groundwork my man.

    And u haven’t heard “Pryor will start” a few thousand times?

  • 0ak r8rs

    Willy91137 Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 9:12 am
    I sometimes wonder how many real raider fans are in this blog if you don’t think Watson

    is going to be a good to excellent player you must be hoping he doesn’t make it

    all the experts said when we drafted him he had nothing but upside: soprano

    said his lack of experience was good because he had no bad habits soprano is an excellent O line coach and I’m sure he will get him coached up for Sunday

    @@@@@@@@

    Nobody, or at least me, never said he wasn’t gonna be good. Just because I’m not calling him a 10 year bookend and annointing him to the HOF after one preseason half doesn’t mean I don’t like him or am rooting against him. It means I have a brain, actually.

    This is the NFL. Guys come and go all the time. Excuse me for wanting to see at least a season or two from him before I call him a bookend and say went set at RT for 10 years.

    Simply incredible.

  • Gdog

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 2nd, 2013 at 9:10 am

    GDog,

    Does the aging D-lineman thing you were right and applied to Carter also apply to Tommy Kelly?

    They are about the same age.

    >>>>

    Kelly hasn’t had any major injuries, pretty durable.

    If he had, I’d be worried.

    But the point is how many starters Reggie let go and replaced them with scrap heap players (or nobody) and nobody seems to care. Or they make excuses for him…