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Notes, quotes and observations from Raiders-Jags game

OAKLAND — If you’re wondering what Raiders coach Dennis Allen means when he says that his team’s offense is predicated upon patience, pounding away throughout the course of a game, just waiting for the dam to burst, so to speak.
In other words, it was running back Darren McFadden rushing for 21 yards on 15 carries and 108 yards on four carries. Add it all up, and McFadden averaged a gaudy 6.8 yards against the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday.
He had four rushes of 20 yards or more Sunday, the same number he had all last season.
His 129-yard effort marked the 13th time he has reached the century mark during his six-year NFL career. It also paved the way for the Raiders to amass 226 yards rushing overall in their 19-9 victory at the Coliseum.
Throw in a 28-yard run by backup back Rashad Jennings and a 27-yarder by Pryor and you see what Allen means about patience.
There are going to be times when McFadden gets stuffed at or near the line of scrimmage, as he was time and again Sunday. Then, he’s going to bust loose and rip off the kind of backbreaking run the Raiders are counting upon.
Part of that came about, Pryor said, because the Jaguars were so consumed by Pryor and his running ability. The Jaguars no doubt placed a huge premium on keeping tabs on Pryor on the heels of his 112-yard effort against the Colts a week earlier.
“That’s why D-Mac probably had a hundred and whatever he had,” Pryor said. “Then our other running back busted out, and that’s why I believe he had a great day. The Jaguars, they were shifting big time on me.”
McFadden averaged career-worst 3.3 yards last season. He averaged only 2.8 against the Colts in the opener. Yet, he always remained patient.
“Playing football so long, you know,” McFadden said. “It’s going to come like that, 1 and 2 yards here or there and then eventually they’re going to start popping. As a running back, you just have to know.”

– For all the talk, and backed up by a contract extension, the Raiders tend to pay little more than lip service to maximizing the talents of fullback Marcel Reece.
Against the Colts, Reece played only 24 of 63 offensive snaps. On Sunday, he ran the ball twice and had one pass thrown his way.
Reece scored Oakland’s first touchdown on an 11-yard run in which he spun off a defender inside the 5-yard line and dived across the goal line.
It was just another glaring example of how dangerous Reece can be with the ball in his hands and how misused he is by the Raiders most games.

– Sebastian Janikowski missed a field-goal attempt for the second straight game. This one came from 35 yards.
Let theories begin about what’s to blame, or rather who to blame. There are those who think Janikowski misses long-time holder Shane Lechler. Others say first-year punter, and holder, Marquette King still is working out the kinks as the holder on field-goal and extra-point attempts.
The smart money says, Janikowski will be fine and the two misses are nothing more than a talented golfer getting too quick on a swing or not finishing a swing.
After all, Janikowski drilled field goals of 46, 30, 29 and 29 yards in the same game that he missed Sunday.

– Allen said strong safety Tyvon Branch and left guard Lucas Nix suffered ankle injuries.
Of the two, it sounds as if Branch’s injury is the most worrisome.
“That looks to be a significant injury,” Allen said.
Branch was helped from the field by two team trainers in the first half, and the Raiders wasted little time announcing that Branch was out for the remainder of the game.
Brandian Ross and Usama Young saw time at safety after Branch departed.
As for Nix, he was replaced by veteran Andre Gurode. It sounds as if Nix was coming out of the game, one way or the other.
“I’m not sure when he hurt the ankle but, obviously, with some of the struggles, we decided to get him out of the game so we went in that direction,” Allen said of Nix.
There were a few occasions when Nix whiffed on a block or just got manhandled. It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Raiders make a change for the Broncos game, be it with Gurode or someone else.

– The Raiders sacked Chad Henne five times Sunday. That upped their total to nine through two games.
To put that in perspective, the Raiders notched only 25 sacks in 16 games last season.
Why the change? Let’s give that one to Allen.
“It’s just a combination of rush and coverage,” Allen said. “I mean, there’s some times where we do a pretty nice job in coverage and give our guys a chance to get to the quarterback. We try to be multiple and send several different guys in different directions and our rush has continued to improve.”

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  • SilverNBlackPA

    Gdog Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:15 am
    aig-raiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    SBNG, Porter was targeted 6 times last week and all 6 completions. He was toasted over and over in the preseason. Yesterday was the first time he balled out there. So there you have it.

    >>>>

    He had perfect coverage on many of the throws that Luck completed. Not much you can do when a QB makes a PERFECT throw.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Plus if Reggie Wayne can get so much as a fingertip on the ball he’s usually going to catch it

  • RAIDERMAN99

    @RM99 – illegal formation. Barnes wasn’t covered.
    =======================================
    Thanks for that info, TBB.

  • bcz24

    Nix isn’t even hurt. He was benched for poor play, and if they decide to sign someone to replace Branch for now, Nix could get the axe.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Liked what I saw out of DJ. Just needs to learn to turn his head. And he’d better learn soon, Manning is going to come right after him.

    If they leave DJ in the slot, it’ll be him vs. Wes Welker. Welcome to the NFL, rook.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Bcz24 Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
    Moore hate is rampant in here today. And deservedly so, he sucked big time yesterday. But he was solid week 1. One game does not make or break an NFL career.
    ***********************
    That’s because the good performance from week 1 for Moore is the aberration, and the mind numbing lack of concentration yesterday is the norm.

    @@@@@@@@

    As far as most of last year? Agreed. But not his rookie year. I’m not giving up in him yet. But I also don’t think he’s a number 1 or a number 2. Guys drafted in the 5th round shouldn’t have to be in their 3rd year, not his fault the rest of our WR corps kinda sucks as well.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Cooper Carlisle is still sitting on his couch waiting for a call ;)

  • bcz24

    If they leave DJ in the slot, it’ll be him vs. Wes Welker. Welcome to the NFL, rook
    *************
    Hayden plays outside, and TP plays the slot I thought.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    bcz24 Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am
    If they leave DJ in the slot, it’ll be him vs. Wes Welker. Welcome to the NFL, rook
    *************
    Hayden plays outside, and TP plays the slot I thought.

    +++++++++++++++

    I think that’s ultimately the plan but right now they have Hayden playing slot to ease him in since he missed so much of camp.

  • romania

    Kaepernick called out as a loser and a choker by fans after yesterday’s Seattle thrashing.

    Point is Pryor is growing. Jags scouted for him closing down sweeps and edges. Opened up the middle.

    Get Reece more involved and Moore to second string. He’s good at intermed and long later in games. Take some pressure of him.

  • dirkdiggler

    SnBG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    I don’t think the jury is out on Pryor yet. A good compariso, IMO, is his play against Manuel. E.J. is already a better passer than Pryor. Pryor still has a ways to go.

    >. yeah Manuel is already a better QB than Pryor.

  • JONTRAIN

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    Liked what I saw out of DJ. Just needs to learn to turn his head. And he’d better learn soon, Manning is going to come right after him.

    If they leave DJ in the slot, it’ll be him vs. Wes Welker. Welcome to the NFL, rook.

    ####

    DJ is exclusively on the right side. It’ll be Porter vs Welker. DJ will have his hands full with Thomas and Decker, two tall WRs

  • aig-raiders

    DMoore is a huge concern for me. He’s a total drive and QB killer. BTW, a lot of folks in here liked Nix better than Berg. I think it’s safe to say Nix aint starting for us anytime soon. Dude was awful yesterday.

  • bcz24

    As far as most of last year? Agreed. But not his rookie year. I’m not giving up in him yet. But I also don’t think he’s a number 1 or a number 2. Guys drafted in the 5th round shouldn’t have to be in their 3rd year, not his fault the rest of our WR corps kinda sucks as well.
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    Yes his rookie year also. He was terribly inconsistent in his rookie year. He made unreal catches in traffic, but cant catch a 5 yard slant uncovered. Nothing has changed in 3 years.

  • dirkdiggler

    some people on here were saying that Moore had a “good” game in week 1? 5 catches 41 yds 1TD is considered good now? Moore sucks. he’s a WR3 at best

  • RaiderKev24

    All I know is next year’s draft better be full of OL, DL, and WR. Depends on who we get in Free Agency too. Wouldn’t mind getting proven players who will play hard for the money we give them and not bail after they get their multi-year contract.

  • bcz24

    I think that’s ultimately the plan but right now they have Hayden playing slot to ease him in since he missed so much of camp.
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    I don’t think so. Hayden is listed as the nickel back right now, but when he is on the field TP is moving inside, not Hayden.

  • aig-raiders

    Manuel. E.J. is already a better passer than Pryor
    ——–
    31 other NFL starting QBs are already better passers than TP. But you add up all of TP’s attributes and he’ll out grade a good bunch of them. TP is a younger, smarter, and faster version of VY.

  • RaiderKev24

    Speaking of which does any one know the biggest potential free agents? I’m not looking forward to next year, btw. So into this season. Feels good to have a win this early in the season.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Wasn’t too happy with the playcalling, thought there were times the RAIDS could have thrown successfully against a Jag D just stacked to stop the run, but understand why Tits and Olson didn’t do so.

    ===

    How do you know that the play didn’t have the option to read the defense and audible into a pass when the QB sees the box stacked? All the top QBs do this routinely. That’s what makes them so difficult to defend.

    It’s just as likely that Pryor had this option and failed to see/call it. Or that the part of the playbook with those reads and audibles that is open to Flynn is not open to Pryor because he hasn’t demonstrated the command of the full book plus recognition skills. These are both very likely causes. But then you can’t pin blame on everyone but him while acknowledging that.

  • JONTRAIN

    If Nix and Bergs were locked in a position battle…that makes me worry that we whiffed on the Bergs pick. Nix was reminding me of Willie Smith and Kwame Harris out there yesterday.

    And the first play he comes out, I believe, we had a nice run over the left side.

  • dirkdiggler

    well it looks like the Read-option, known on here as “the wave of the future” by a few football “geniuses” has been shown to be another fad. once again pocket passing wins games and is the standard. and that is all.

  • RaiderRockstar

    @Gdog

    did you get anymore still shots of Nix whiffing yesterday??

    btw – who was the Raiders best def player according to PFF?

  • aig-raiders

    let me guess Dirkdiggler is aka Dr. Robert. #Lame.

  • R8ER MIKE

    GOOD AFTERNOON NATION !!
    and my GreenParty brothers !!

  • Gdog

    aig-raiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    DMoore is a huge concern for me. He’s a total drive and QB killer. BTW, a lot of folks in here liked Nix better than Berg. I think it’s safe to say Nix aint starting for us anytime soon. Dude was awful yesterday.

    >>>>

    He was worse the week before.

    How bad can the guy behind him be to not win the job??

    Or we STILL have trouble identifying talent during practice. Good teams never put players like Nix on the field unless in an emergency.

  • dirkdiggler

    aig-raiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Manuel. E.J. is already a better passer than Pryor
    ——–
    31 other NFL starting QBs are already better passers than TP. But you add up all of TP’s attributes and he’ll out grade a good bunch of them. TP is a younger, smarter, and faster version of VY.

    >. passing ability and decision making are what separate good Qbs from bad ones. running ability is secondary by a long shot. look at krapernik last night. have to be able to read the defense and fire darts FROM THE POCKET to win. that’s all that matters. if Pryor can’t do that he won’t make it.the end

  • RaiderRockstar

    Bergs was beasting during the preseason, I thought

    he sprained his big toe and Reggie placed him on I.R. though – so we’ll have to wait until next year to see what we’ve got

  • Gdog

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    @Gdog

    did you get anymore still shots of Nix whiffing yesterday??

    btw – who was the Raiders best def player according to PFF?

    >>>>

    The coaching film doesn’t come out until Weds, and PFF metrics are usually later today or early tomorrow.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Pryor is 1-1 just like CK across the Bay. I wish you people would shut the heck up about him!

  • dirkdiggler

    aig-raiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    let me guess Dirkdiggler is aka Dr. Robert. #Lame.

    > lemme guess you’re another delusional fan seeing a diamond when its really a cubic zirconia.

  • RaiderRockstar

    @Gdog

    thanks in advance bro. much appreciated

  • RaiderRockstar

    MJD must hate playing against the Raiders, lol

    we’re always hurting that muscle smurf..

  • aig-raiders

    Man, it was nice to see the Whiners get bullied yesterday after watching us bullying another team.

  • willy91137

    26 in points

    16 in yards

    29th in passing

    and tied with two other teams for running

    do you think we have a quarterback problem

    for us to stand a chance in Denver are going to have to pass the ball

    and keep Denver’s offense off the field which we won’t be able to do

  • dirkdiggler

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Pryor is 1-1 just like CK across the Bay. I wish you people would shut the heck up about him!

    >. Krapernick has shown that he can stand and fire darts accurately all over the field consistently, Pryor hasn’t. the end

  • RaiderRockstar

    Coach Rob Chudzinski declined to confirm that Jason Campbell will start if Brandon Weeden (thumb) can’t play Week 3.

    The Browns somewhat surprisingly kept both Campbell and Brian Hoyer on their final roster. It’s a sign that Campbell failed to soundly beat out Mike Lombardi favorite Hoyer for the backup job. Weeden remains day to day ahead of a Week 3 game at Minnesota. We’d still be surprised if Campbell didn’t get the nod — his superior arm is a far better fit for the Chud scheme and he brings 71 career NFL starts to the table.

    Sep 16 – 12:14 PM
    Source: Mary Kay Cabot on Twitter

  • aig-raiders

    Willy,
    You’re not going to out pass the master of passing. Don’t fall for that trap. Pressure the QB, pound the rock, and keep the ball away from him is our only way of winning that game.

  • dirkdiggler

    willy91137 Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    26 in points

    16 in yards

    29th in passing

    and tied with two other teams for running

    do you think we have a quarterback problem

    for us to stand a chance in Denver are going to have to pass the ball

    and keep Denver’s offense off the field which we won’t be able to do

    >> raiders will have to run the ball and play superhuman defense. would be upset of the year. could happen.

  • dirkdiggler

    EJ manuel looks like the real deal. Geno smith is a chump. you can tell right away, Bills made the best pick of the draft. Franchise QB..check. Raiders could learn something.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Dirkdiggler Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
    well it looks like the Read-option, known on here as “the wave of the future” by a few football “geniuses” has been shown to be another fad. once again pocket passing wins games and is the standard. and that is all.

    ===

    Did you see the play in the Whiner-Seahawks game where the LB just teed off on Wilson as he was handing off? The announcers talked at length about how the pocket protection rules aren’t in play then because the defender can’t know whether the QB is faking or not.

    I started saying mid last season that all the D has to do is have the “read” man do this every single time he detects that there is a read-option in play (easy to tell because he’s not being blocked as the play unfolds in front of him). Not only does it prevent the QB from keeping the ball as a runner because he’s got an unblocked man in his face, but it also takes away the play action pass for the same reason.

    All the so called advantage of using the read-option to freeze an additional unblocked defender without needing to block him is now out the window. Once the D can confidently rely on that man to make the play then the safeties no longer need to respect play action once the QB indicates a hand-off (or fake) meaning that they can come attack the box more aggressively than they can for a traditional pocket passing QB. So for the one extra blocker that you free up you just freed up two extra run stuffers to account for.

    As predicted, the gimmick is dying this season now that there was an offseason to prepare.

    To the credit of several of the new QBs, they’ve shown some promise adjusting as drop back passers. We already knew Wilson could do it. RGIII showed some flashes, although a lot of his yardage was of the classic Palmer garbage time variety. Kaep not so much. He was able to torch a weak GB defense in week one but against a good defense, just like in the Super Bowl, he was exposed for not being able to pass with the same accuracy as other pocket guys when forced.

    Sadly, all of the above are better passers than Pryor. Doesn’t bode well when they run into a disciplined and talented defense that knows how to execute the anti read-option. That number will increase as the year goes on as the film on teams successfully doing it accumulates.

  • Whoknows

    I’m sure this must have been posted but I’m too lazy to scroll back.
    Tough loss. Get well soon Tyvon.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/raiders-branch-fractured-fibula-152100306–nfl.html

  • tonedeezy

    for those of you heterosexuals who were not obsessing over our coaches’ body parts, you may have noticed that this team is beginning to form an identity on both sides of the ball.
    it’s great to see for us Raider fans.

    sorry to all you haters who want to see us fail.

  • dirkdiggler

    dungver will have 8 men at the LOS to stop the run attack and short passes. they will make pryor beat them deep.

  • Whoknows

    Dirkdiggler Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:57 am
    dungver will have 8 men at the LOS to stop the run attack and short passes. they will make pryor beat them deep.
    ********************
    And he will.

  • dirkdiggler

    Whoknows Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Dirkdiggler Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:57 am
    dungver will have 8 men at the LOS to stop the run attack and short passes. they will make pryor beat them deep.
    ********************
    And he will.

    >> sure

  • RaiderRockstar

    I really screwed myself in FF this week!

    start = Miles Austin, bench = Greg Jennings
    start = Marques Colston, bench = Marlon Brown

    start = Tom Brady, bench = Andrew Luck
    start = Anquan Boldin, bench = Mike Wallace
    start = Maurice Jones-Drew, bench = DeAngelo Williams

    start = Trent Richardson, bench = Rashard Mendenhall
    start = Jason Witten, bench = Martellus Bennett

    start = BenJarvus Green-Ellis, bench = Bernard Pierce
    start = Sidney Rice, bench = Brian Hartline

  • ElkGRaider

    MR had to move to another handle already? What a…

    Not a great win but we will take it. This d is finally taking shape. Look fast and are able to penetrate. Huge test this week…

  • DutchRaider77

    492.tonedeezy Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    for those of you heterosexuals who were not obsessing over our coaches’ body parts, you may have noticed that this team is beginning to form an identity on both sides of the ball.
    it’s great to see for us Raider fans.

    sorry to all you haters who want to see us fail.

    _______________________________________________

    Seriously, people need to stop with the “Titty” comments. I really don’t want to think of “Titty” and the first thing that comes to mind is the coach of the Raiders. “Titty” was a happy word, you people are ruining it!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Dirkdiggler Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Pryor is 1-1 just like CK across the Bay. I wish you people would shut the heck up about him!

    >. Krapernick has shown that he can stand and fire darts accurately all over the field consistently, Pryor hasn’t. the end

    ===

    Not sure Kaep is that good as shown yesterday. But he still almost out yardaged what Pryor did in two games combined in week 1.

    Giving all the credit to the QB for W-L is ludicruous. The Raiders defense is giving up an average under 17 points per game this year. They gave up less than 17 twice last season and won both games. I guess that was all Palmer, right? They gave up exactly 17 against Carolina and lost but that was with Leinart and Pryor at the helm.

    Taking away averages, the Raiders gave up 24 in week 1 and lost. Gave up 9 in week 2 and won. Yep, that’s all the QB there.

  • shutdown

    The problem with the attitude that DMac might get stuffed on a lot of runs, then down the road break big ones” is what the hell good is a running back and his o-line if the other teams offense were up by 7 or 10 points rather than what was the case yesterday–the Raiders believing the Jags would put up a pitiful number of points?