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Notes, quotes and observations from Raiders-Jags game

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, September 15th, 2013 at 10:26 pm in Oakland Raiders.

OAKLAND — If you’re wondering what Raiders coach Dennis Allen means when he says that his team’s offense is predicated upon patience, pounding away throughout the course of a game, just waiting for the dam to burst, so to speak.
In other words, it was running back Darren McFadden rushing for 21 yards on 15 carries and 108 yards on four carries. Add it all up, and McFadden averaged a gaudy 6.8 yards against the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday.
He had four rushes of 20 yards or more Sunday, the same number he had all last season.
His 129-yard effort marked the 13th time he has reached the century mark during his six-year NFL career. It also paved the way for the Raiders to amass 226 yards rushing overall in their 19-9 victory at the Coliseum.
Throw in a 28-yard run by backup back Rashad Jennings and a 27-yarder by Pryor and you see what Allen means about patience.
There are going to be times when McFadden gets stuffed at or near the line of scrimmage, as he was time and again Sunday. Then, he’s going to bust loose and rip off the kind of backbreaking run the Raiders are counting upon.
Part of that came about, Pryor said, because the Jaguars were so consumed by Pryor and his running ability. The Jaguars no doubt placed a huge premium on keeping tabs on Pryor on the heels of his 112-yard effort against the Colts a week earlier.
“That’s why D-Mac probably had a hundred and whatever he had,” Pryor said. “Then our other running back busted out, and that’s why I believe he had a great day. The Jaguars, they were shifting big time on me.”
McFadden averaged career-worst 3.3 yards last season. He averaged only 2.8 against the Colts in the opener. Yet, he always remained patient.
“Playing football so long, you know,” McFadden said. “It’s going to come like that, 1 and 2 yards here or there and then eventually they’re going to start popping. As a running back, you just have to know.”

– For all the talk, and backed up by a contract extension, the Raiders tend to pay little more than lip service to maximizing the talents of fullback Marcel Reece.
Against the Colts, Reece played only 24 of 63 offensive snaps. On Sunday, he ran the ball twice and had one pass thrown his way.
Reece scored Oakland’s first touchdown on an 11-yard run in which he spun off a defender inside the 5-yard line and dived across the goal line.
It was just another glaring example of how dangerous Reece can be with the ball in his hands and how misused he is by the Raiders most games.

– Sebastian Janikowski missed a field-goal attempt for the second straight game. This one came from 35 yards.
Let theories begin about what’s to blame, or rather who to blame. There are those who think Janikowski misses long-time holder Shane Lechler. Others say first-year punter, and holder, Marquette King still is working out the kinks as the holder on field-goal and extra-point attempts.
The smart money says, Janikowski will be fine and the two misses are nothing more than a talented golfer getting too quick on a swing or not finishing a swing.
After all, Janikowski drilled field goals of 46, 30, 29 and 29 yards in the same game that he missed Sunday.

– Allen said strong safety Tyvon Branch and left guard Lucas Nix suffered ankle injuries.
Of the two, it sounds as if Branch’s injury is the most worrisome.
“That looks to be a significant injury,” Allen said.
Branch was helped from the field by two team trainers in the first half, and the Raiders wasted little time announcing that Branch was out for the remainder of the game.
Brandian Ross and Usama Young saw time at safety after Branch departed.
As for Nix, he was replaced by veteran Andre Gurode. It sounds as if Nix was coming out of the game, one way or the other.
“I’m not sure when he hurt the ankle but, obviously, with some of the struggles, we decided to get him out of the game so we went in that direction,” Allen said of Nix.
There were a few occasions when Nix whiffed on a block or just got manhandled. It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Raiders make a change for the Broncos game, be it with Gurode or someone else.

– The Raiders sacked Chad Henne five times Sunday. That upped their total to nine through two games.
To put that in perspective, the Raiders notched only 25 sacks in 16 games last season.
Why the change? Let’s give that one to Allen.
“It’s just a combination of rush and coverage,” Allen said. “I mean, there’s some times where we do a pretty nice job in coverage and give our guys a chance to get to the quarterback. We try to be multiple and send several different guys in different directions and our rush has continued to improve.”

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    LA To TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:06 am
    I thought we played Manning well last year on MNF.

    Carson doesn’t cough up the ball, we have a real shot at winning that game.

    ===

    I thought the Raiders player Indy well last week.

    Pryor doesn’t choke in the last drive and throw the int they have a real chance at winning that game.

    So why the different expectations in Denver between Palmer and Pryor?

  • Gdog

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:03 am
    either Reggie is smarter than all these other GM’s … or Allen/Olson/Tarver are coaching the heck out of the crap filled roster!

    which is it?

    >>>>

    I’m happy with the better play too… but the reality is we beat a horrible Jax team without their starting QB and RB.

    We did that last year too…

  • SnBG

    LA To TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 7:46 am
    I thought Olson took a gigantic step back this week.

    They went real conservative. I guess it’s validated cause they got the win but there’s no way you can get away with that vs. Denver. The Donks WILL score some points even if we do rattle Manning a bit and we need to be able to keep up with them.
    LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
    I would disagree with this because Pryor was looking to throw down the field several times but either the receivers weren’t open or Pryor couldn’t make his mind up to run or throw. Also Pryor threw a nice ball to more bt as usual, he dropped it. Also Allen has always said he wants to run a lot. As far as Pryor passing and being a conventional QB? He does need to become a passer. He can’t run all of the time. He is getting better at his reads and he showed he could go threw his progressions if he has a little time.

  • MikieG

    Im not worried about Pryor or Branch’s replacement…What I am worried about is the performance of Moore—Dude has become a real liability, he fights catching the ball worse than my 4 year old son…and has a history of dropping easy catches.
    I Cant wait for Andre Holmes to send D. Moore to the bench where he belongs, and obviously wants to be.

  • tuckrulefool

    LA,

    I thought they played like they had one goal. WIN. and win ugly was OK with them (altho not so with most fans me included). Given how they playcalled in Indy i am giving olson the benefit of the doubt. as i mentioned in post 239 I think next week we see something much closer to the indy game and a lot less like the jags game as far as the handling pryor.

    now i will say the holes our OL opened up vs jags may make olson try, for a 1/2 of a quarter to see if they CAN open up gaping holes for TP and MCF to run through ala Jags gameplan. If so i think management would PREFER to not have pryror runing wild and throwing a lot more. that said, if that plan doesnt work (and i dont expect it to vs den) then we see indy style game planning (hopefully with better execution and less turnovers).

    If we can run reasonably well (with a nice combo of tp and MCD) and control clock AND get in mannings face on a regular basis i honestly think we can win this one.

    if we cant get pressure and cant run well (and instead must rely on a scatt back style TP) we lose big since we simply cant win a shootout with denver.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Hassleback giving Herd the what for.

  • willy91137

    LA To TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:08 am
    I think he was trying to get him be a more traditional type quarterback

    drop back and throw the ball they know if they keep running him he won’t be around

    they are trying to see if he can become an NFL quarterback he didn’t get hit very much yesterday

    ——-

    Traditional type QBs don’t work out of the shotgun for 85% of their snaps.
    =========================
    Rogers

  • 0ak r8rs

    Zymurge Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:14 am
    0ak R8rs Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 5:41 am
    The long to intermediate passing game (especially the intermediate) is gonna make or break Pryor. The problem w week 1 was a severe lack of reps, getting almost nothing against the 1s until the last week of TC. Call it an excuse if you want, but the fact is QBs lone Manning and Brady and Wilson and even Freeman didn’t really have to deal w that. A “QB competition” is not necessarily a good thing. It helped Pryor, got him the starting job. But there was a cost.

    ===

    I call BS here. Did you see Henne drilling intermediate passes with accuracy and hitting WRs in stride? He wasn’t even the starter until THIS week.

    A QB can either make those throws or they can’t. Pryor hasn’t shown that he can make any pass longer than 10-15 yards unless it’s right in front of him and he’s throwing straight at a WR either facing him or running directly away. He lacks the timing on east-west movement to properly lead and that gets harder the further away the target is.

    @@@@@@@@

    Henne has been in the league 4 years. And hasn’t actually proven anything, yesterday or otherwise. He made some nice throws yesterday. Pryor made some nice throws last week. We will see as the season goes on. I’m in no way saying Pryor is good to go.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    We cant win in a shoot out with Gooseneck. We have to continue the effect well disguised and timed blitz’s we’ve been doing the last 2 weeks. Sitting back and letting Goose dink and dunk will spell disaster.

    Dial up the blitz’s and get pressure up the middle, Tarver!

  • SnBG

    Gdog Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:16 am
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:03 am
    either Reggie is smarter than all these other GM’s … or Allen/Olson/Tarver are coaching the heck out of the crap filled roster!

    which is it?

    >>>>

    I’m happy with the better play too… but the reality is we beat a horrible Jax team without their starting QB and RB.

    We did that last year too…
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    True but our D is better than last year. C’mon, 9 sacks so far! We will get better as the team jells and Pryor keeps developing. Need to get Nix out of there but our Oline has been a little better than we thought.

  • DJ Johnny

    Gdog Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:16 am
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:03 am
    either Reggie is smarter than all these other GM’s … or Allen/Olson/Tarver are coaching the heck out of the crap filled roster!

    which is it?

    >>>>

    I’m happy with the better play too… but the reality is we beat a horrible Jax team without their starting QB and RB.

    We did that last year too…

    Yes that’s true but don’t forget we maybe should have beat Indy on the road…a playoff team.

    Imo we outplayed them for the most part. Once the D got it’s bearings we ran off 17 straight pt’s and could’ve won at the end.

    Could easily be 2-0 but it is what it is.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Ross performed well in pre-season so did Usama. There will be little or no drop off. C Wood will have those guys on their game.
    ______

    MikieG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Im not worried about Pryor or Branch’s replacement

  • SnBG

    As far as beating Indy, that was because we have a rookie QB. If Pryor had more experience we would have beaten them. Wait til Pryor gets a bunch of games under his belt.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Nobody stepping between me and SeaPerch this week huh?

    Silence is golden!

  • DJ Johnny

    Already the “experts” are wrong about us. I’ve heard more than a few say we would very possibly go 0-16 and that the defense was nothing more than a hodgepodge of castoffs and losers.

    Reggie has been right so far about us being “competitive”.

    I don’t expect to beat Denver. I don’t know what to expect.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    If Perch didn’t miss that FG we win. If this, if that! If Burnet makes the sack we win…..blah blah blah
    ______

    SnBG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    As far as beating Indy, that was because we have a rookie QB. If Pryor had more experience we would have beaten them. Wait til Pryor gets a bunch of games under his belt.

  • Gdog

    LA to TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    I think he was trying to get him be a more traditional type quarterback

    drop back and throw the ball they know if they keep running him he won’t be around

    they are trying to see if he can become an NFL quarterback he didn’t get hit very much yesterday

    ——-

    Traditional type QBs don’t work out of the shotgun for 85% of their snaps.

    >>>>

    Pryor is not a traditional QB, nor will he be.

    I look at this similar to the Bronco’s situation two years ago. Tebow was a fan favorite that the team played well for. They had a good defense and they won some improbable games with Tebow. They played well enough so one of the best QBs to ever play the game wanted to finish his career there.

    Can that happen with the Raiders? Nope… but if Pryor can get this team into respectability, the chances of picking up a quality FA QB in the next few years increases greatly. Flynn or McGloin are not going to do that…

  • 0ak r8rs

    MikieG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:17 am
    Im not worried about Pryor or Branch’s replacement…What I am worried about is the performance of Moore—Dude has become a real liability, he fights catching the ball worse than my 4 year old son…and has a history of dropping easy catches.
    I Cant wait for Andre Holmes to send D. Moore to the bench where he belongs, and obviously wants to be.

    @@@@@@@

    Moore hate is rampant in here today. And deservedly so, he sucked big time yesterday. But he was solid week 1. One game does not make or break an NFL career. Last year was dissappointing was well, but he missed all of TC. For one, he’s a 5th round pick. So not expecting him to be a number one. Also, he’s show some amazing athletic ability. He’s ours for now, we have to pay him regardless, and we don’t pay him much. On most other teams he’d be the 5th WR (if on the roster at all on some) so in a sense whatever we get from him is a bonus. It’s not his fault we need him to be a 1 or a 3 now. In some ways he’s a victim of circumstances w this team. But yes, he did suck balls yesterday. Clearly. In every facet of the game.

  • tuckrulefool

    I Agree MISTA (see post 355). I also think we should let our surprising capable corners go press man for a while to fluster giant head. If he cant hit those hot dink slant routes (tehreby giving us 3-4 seconds) we might be able to get to him with front 4 with occassional safety blitzes.

    make manning uncomfortable. think we all agree here. soft zone teams cant do that. with our corners and relatively quick LBs i think we can take away a lot of what manning likes.

  • Gdog

    DJ Johnny Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:21 am

    Gdog Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:16 am
    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:03 am
    either Reggie is smarter than all these other GM’s … or Allen/Olson/Tarver are coaching the heck out of the crap filled roster!

    which is it?

    >>>>

    I’m happy with the better play too… but the reality is we beat a horrible Jax team without their starting QB and RB.

    We did that last year too…

    Yes that’s true but don’t forget we maybe should have beat Indy on the road…a playoff team.

    Imo we outplayed them for the most part. Once the D got it’s bearings we ran off 17 straight pt’s and could’ve won at the end.

    Could easily be 2-0 but it is what it is.

    >>>>

    True… and I agree the coaching might be special… especially on defense.

    But Indy lost this week too… Jax IS the worst team.

    I can’t wait for Den. We get to see what kind of coaching we REALLY have there. Our first true test.

  • SnBG

    I don’t understand this hate for our corners. Jenkins made the pro bowl one year and Porter has played well in his career. Get over it. These guys are playing their butts off.

  • willy91137

    We have to ask ourselves all we better this year than last year the defense is much better
    the offense is still a work in progress I don’t know if ill get any better

    if we ever get the offensive line straightened out this year we might see Matt Flynn

    when we get Watson and Veldheer back on the offense of line and our running game

    should improve and they can pass block good enough to give Flynn the time

    to dink and dunk down the field prior will get injured before the season ends

  • 0ak r8rs

    0ak R8rs Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:35 am
    MistaBrown Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:25 am
    If Perch didn’t miss that FG we win. If this, if that! If Burnet makes the sack we win…..blah blah blah
    ______

    SnBG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    As far as beating Indy, that was because we have a rookie QB. If Pryor had more experience we would have beaten them. Wait til Pryor gets a bunch of games under his belt.

    @@@@@@@

    You could list about 10 reasons why we didn’t win least week. Let it go. It was te definition of a team loss. Kinda like yesterday was the definition of a team win, particularly on defense.

  • Marks hair

    I wanted porter last yr. I know he’s not great, but I like him alot more than last year’s duds.

  • Marks hair

    373 I agree

  • willy91137

    SnBG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:33 am
    I don’t understand this hate for our corners. Jenkins made the pro bowl one year and Porter has played well in his career. Get over it. These guys are playing their butts off.
    ==============================
    I think their problem is they have a short memory

    they don’t remember last year what that defensive backfield looked like

  • DJ Johnny

    Not to give excuses even before we play the game but Denver has blasted two quality teams already.

    If we can even keep it close we’d be doing better than Balt and NYG.

    Can Denver even be figured out?

  • jesusraiderjim

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 7:03 am
    how did Gurode do at LG??

    I missed the 2nd half yesterday..

    so for any of you guys saying “he doesn’t watch the games!” I’ll freely admit when I’m not able to see what y’all R seeing
    ***********************************************

    @RRS

    IMHO the O line play seems to improve after Nix was taken out.

  • tuckrulefool

    Our current corners (and slot with DJ) are 29370485084327589074509729584720897450982759802754890275987520978207 better than the hot dumpster fire we fielded in 2012.

    FACT.

  • SnBG

    Offensively we are not better than last year. Defensively we are much better. We have got to see more improvement from every part of the Offense. I was happy to see Butler yesterday in there but our receivers still have trouble getting open. I think Moore’s days are numbered and he will be moved down the depth chart soon.

  • Marks hair

    rivera NEEDS to start…

  • 0ak r8rs

    Marks Hair Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:37 am
    I wanted porter last yr. I know he’s not great, but I like him alot more than last year’s duds.

    @@@@@@@@@

    Me too. I was super pissed when he signed w Denver. Glad he wasn’t productive for them. Their loss is our gain.

  • SnBG

    Marks Hair Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:37 am
    I wanted porter last yr. I know he’s not great, but I like him alot more than last year’s duds.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    Dude, Porter is playing his butt off.

  • DJ Johnny

    I’m glad the Jax game is over. It was a lot of pressure playing a team you knew you had to beat, but at the same time knowing that we could lose if things didn’t go our way.

    Turnovers can’t be predicted. We saw how just one fumble (DMAC) turned into a TD.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Tuckrulefool Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:39 am
    Our current corners (and slot with DJ) are 29370485084327589074509729584720897450982759802754890275987520978207 better than the hot dumpster fire we fielded in 2012.

    FACT.

    @@@@@@@@@

    LMFAO

    Agreed

    Next year will get even better.

  • SaintKaufman

    Mornin gents.

    Some are saying they can’t wait for Denver??

    We’ll be lucky to put up 14pts against that defense and well, something tells me Manning is able to put up a few more than 14 against us.
    Just the way it is right now.

  • SnBG

    Hayden is starting to play pretty good but I think he needs to get head turned around more when he’s one on one.

  • Marks hair

    im just hoping the damn breaks, and we get a flood of takeaways this week..

  • willy91137

    The the coaching must be getting better because we don’t see fire the teeny monkey

    and fire Reggie so they’ll shut those people up were getting better by the end of this year

    we will have some good pieces to go into next year and with our draft picks we should get much better

    I’m sure they realize that we need a quarterback maybe they think Mcglion is the answer

  • DJ Johnny

    Here’s how you stop Denver. Hurt Manning.

    Any other ideas?

  • Al_is_theraiders

    branch broke his fibula…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    to dink and dunk down the field prior will get injured before the season ends

    ===

    There’s a much higher liklihood that Pryor’s stare downs and inaccurate throws in the short range will get WRs injured.

    He’s started three games. In each of those games there have been numerous cases where a safety reads his eyes and gets an early break on the WR before the catch or he floats a hail mary 20 yards downfield and lets the entire secondary tee off on the WR. I can count 5 times in those 3 starts when a Raiders receiver didn’t get up immediately and in most they missed plays following. We’ve been fortunate that the Streater concussion in preseason was the most severe of the injuries.

    That’s going to get worse as the volume of film showing his tendencies increases. I think we better get used to seeing the #3, #4 and even #5 WRs in action because from what we’ve seen there will be QB caused injuries to them.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Wow! Bummer for Branch. This really could’ve been his year with this aggressive defense and paired with CWood.

  • Dakota

    Breaking Bad winding down….it is getting ugly!

  • 0ak r8rs

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:44 am
    branch broke his fibula…

    @@@@@@@@

    And if he was drafted by Reggie you would say that was Reggie’s fault, just like you did w Watson and Bergs. Good thing he was drafted by Al, that way you just see it as it is, an injury.

    Cowboy fan w an agenda.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    SnBG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:39 am
    Offensively we are not better than last year. Defensively we are much better. We have got to see more improvement from every part of the Offense. I was happy to see Butler yesterday in there but our receivers still have trouble getting open. I think Moore’s days are numbered and he will be moved down the depth chart soon.

    ====

    Were you at the game? From TV there were very few good angles to tell how the WRs were doing when they weren’t having the ball thrown to them. You have to be watching in person to see this.

    If you were there, would love to hear what you saw. If not, anyone else?

  • LA to TheBay

    351.Zymurge Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:16 am
    LA To TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:06 am
    I thought we played Manning well last year on MNF.

    Carson doesn’t cough up the ball, we have a real shot at winning that game.

    ===

    I thought the Raiders player Indy well last week.

    Pryor doesn’t choke in the last drive and throw the int they have a real chance at winning that game.

    So why the different expectations in Denver between Palmer and Pryor?

    ———

    Um, didn’t mention Pryor.

    That’s your fixation.

    It could have been anyone’s critical mistake… just happened to be Carson in that game. Maybe you could shift some of the blame to the O line for getting CP hit, but if I remember correctly, he had ample time to get rid of the ball.

    I was more talking about the defense and how they played Manning pretty well.

  • willy91137

    I’m sure this time next week fire the titty monkey will be back on here because when the game is over

    DA will go to shake Fox’s hand and smile and after we just got beat down he supposed to walk up to Fox hit right in the mouth and turn and walk away

    LOL

  • Al_is_theraiders

    svck a c@ck leastcoast

  • SnBG

    Good coaching goes only as far as the talent dictates. What we are seeing now is from the fact that we have a little more talent on the team now. Also Reg has brought in guys that want to play. Those two things will help both aspects of the team, coaching and play.
    Like Madden says: You can’t win without talent.