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Notes, quotes and observations from Raiders-Jags game

OAKLAND — If you’re wondering what Raiders coach Dennis Allen means when he says that his team’s offense is predicated upon patience, pounding away throughout the course of a game, just waiting for the dam to burst, so to speak.
In other words, it was running back Darren McFadden rushing for 21 yards on 15 carries and 108 yards on four carries. Add it all up, and McFadden averaged a gaudy 6.8 yards against the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday.
He had four rushes of 20 yards or more Sunday, the same number he had all last season.
His 129-yard effort marked the 13th time he has reached the century mark during his six-year NFL career. It also paved the way for the Raiders to amass 226 yards rushing overall in their 19-9 victory at the Coliseum.
Throw in a 28-yard run by backup back Rashad Jennings and a 27-yarder by Pryor and you see what Allen means about patience.
There are going to be times when McFadden gets stuffed at or near the line of scrimmage, as he was time and again Sunday. Then, he’s going to bust loose and rip off the kind of backbreaking run the Raiders are counting upon.
Part of that came about, Pryor said, because the Jaguars were so consumed by Pryor and his running ability. The Jaguars no doubt placed a huge premium on keeping tabs on Pryor on the heels of his 112-yard effort against the Colts a week earlier.
“That’s why D-Mac probably had a hundred and whatever he had,” Pryor said. “Then our other running back busted out, and that’s why I believe he had a great day. The Jaguars, they were shifting big time on me.”
McFadden averaged career-worst 3.3 yards last season. He averaged only 2.8 against the Colts in the opener. Yet, he always remained patient.
“Playing football so long, you know,” McFadden said. “It’s going to come like that, 1 and 2 yards here or there and then eventually they’re going to start popping. As a running back, you just have to know.”

– For all the talk, and backed up by a contract extension, the Raiders tend to pay little more than lip service to maximizing the talents of fullback Marcel Reece.
Against the Colts, Reece played only 24 of 63 offensive snaps. On Sunday, he ran the ball twice and had one pass thrown his way.
Reece scored Oakland’s first touchdown on an 11-yard run in which he spun off a defender inside the 5-yard line and dived across the goal line.
It was just another glaring example of how dangerous Reece can be with the ball in his hands and how misused he is by the Raiders most games.

– Sebastian Janikowski missed a field-goal attempt for the second straight game. This one came from 35 yards.
Let theories begin about what’s to blame, or rather who to blame. There are those who think Janikowski misses long-time holder Shane Lechler. Others say first-year punter, and holder, Marquette King still is working out the kinks as the holder on field-goal and extra-point attempts.
The smart money says, Janikowski will be fine and the two misses are nothing more than a talented golfer getting too quick on a swing or not finishing a swing.
After all, Janikowski drilled field goals of 46, 30, 29 and 29 yards in the same game that he missed Sunday.

– Allen said strong safety Tyvon Branch and left guard Lucas Nix suffered ankle injuries.
Of the two, it sounds as if Branch’s injury is the most worrisome.
“That looks to be a significant injury,” Allen said.
Branch was helped from the field by two team trainers in the first half, and the Raiders wasted little time announcing that Branch was out for the remainder of the game.
Brandian Ross and Usama Young saw time at safety after Branch departed.
As for Nix, he was replaced by veteran Andre Gurode. It sounds as if Nix was coming out of the game, one way or the other.
“I’m not sure when he hurt the ankle but, obviously, with some of the struggles, we decided to get him out of the game so we went in that direction,” Allen said of Nix.
There were a few occasions when Nix whiffed on a block or just got manhandled. It wouldn’t be surprising to see the Raiders make a change for the Broncos game, be it with Gurode or someone else.

– The Raiders sacked Chad Henne five times Sunday. That upped their total to nine through two games.
To put that in perspective, the Raiders notched only 25 sacks in 16 games last season.
Why the change? Let’s give that one to Allen.
“It’s just a combination of rush and coverage,” Allen said. “I mean, there’s some times where we do a pretty nice job in coverage and give our guys a chance to get to the quarterback. We try to be multiple and send several different guys in different directions and our rush has continued to improve.”

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  • 0ak r8rs

    SnBG Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:43 am
    Hayden is starting to play pretty good but I think he needs to get head turned around more when he’s one on one.

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    Comes w experience and confidence as an NFL CB. Right now, he doesn’t dare take his eyes off the receiver. Doesn’t wanna get burned. He will make plays soon enough once he’s comfortable.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    no willy but he shouldnt hug it off and laugh his asz off…im sure mark feels the same…

  • Dakota

    I hope Johnny Footabll falls in the draft! I would spend a second round pick on him……after taking some stud in the top three in round 1!

    The future is bright!

    Bring in a good coaching staff and we will be set!

  • RAIDERMAN99

    LA to TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:05 am
    tuckrulefool

    I agree with 95% of what you said in 329,though I did see a regression in terms of how Pryor was managed.
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    Have mixed feelings about the TP management for this game.

    Clearly, the game plan was to keep passing to a minimum, grind it out against an opponent that can’t score, and get a freaking win.

    Mission accomplished.

    Wasn’t too happy with the playcalling, thought there were times the RAIDS could have thrown successfully against a Jag D just stacked to stop the run, but understand why Tits and Olson didn’t do so.

    Was kind of disappointed with TP’s performance though.

    Thought he made the wrong choice on some read-options and kept the rock too often.

    TP is still behind schedule on seeing the field and making quick decisions.

    Case in point: the 3rd and 10 conversion to Rivera over the middle. TP made an accurate throw, but it was late. TP should have been able to recognize Rivera was going to come open and targeted him much sooner. What should have been an easy completion became a contested one.

    Yeah, the result was good but TP just ain’t seeing the field the way he should be – yet.

    This is definitely a work in progress.

    Don’t trust Tits to manage anything, but don’t think his ‘managing’ of TP has been too bad since he decided to go with him as the starter.

    I’m just happy he did the right thing and went with TP. Wasn’t sure he had the sense to do that.

  • Gdog

    DJ Johnny Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Here’s how you stop Denver. Hurt Manning.

    Any other ideas?

    >>>>>

    They are not that different from last year, and an argument can be made they should be WORSE than last year… especially early with them missing Champ and Miller… Dumerville gone.

    They are just a very well coached team with a great QB. We hung with them last year the second game.

    I don’t see why we can’t this year… the Giants and Balt might be highly flawed teams this year.

  • tuckrulefool

    ZYmurge,

    I cant disagree with what you say re: WR dangers of getting hurt. However why cant you chalk this up, at least in part, to Pryor’s processing/learning. The dude has started THREE NFL GAMES. Not sure why you and others cant see the (very obvious) promise and instead only highlighting his areas of needed growth.

    Give the dude some time. Pryor is 2313506234087567804536780645078643570657046708456708645706245

    better than us putting Flynn (or mcgloin) back there.

    (Another) FACT.

  • 0ak r8rs

    You’ve been called out, Al_is. And exposed as a Reggie hater w an agenda, time and time again. As if you’re handle wasn’t enough? You’re a fraud, and a Cowboy fan. How did Romo do yesterday? Got a box score?

  • SnBG

    @Willy. Yes I noticed that the tittymonkeys aren’t here right now also. It’s a good feeling to see a team growing and going in the right direction.

  • LA to TheBay

    I’m gonna just say a win is a win.

    Last week was probably the ‘best’ loss I can remember in a while and this probably the ‘worst’ win… but I’ll take it.

    Would have been in victory formation if McFadden cuts out instead of in and holds on to the ball.

    Also, I think next week’s game is completely winnable. We have a knack for making great teams look mediocre when we get pressure on their QBs (and then getting beat by lesser opponents… though I think this is the year we start beating who we’re SUPPOSED to beat).

  • Dakota

    Knapp has finally taken P. Manning and made something out of him!

    9 Tds and 0 ints!

    That is Knapp’s work!

  • Gdog

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    LA to TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:05 am
    tuckrulefool

    I agree with 95% of what you said in 329,though I did see a regression in terms of how Pryor was managed.
    =====================================================
    Have mixed feelings about the TP management for this game.

    Clearly, the game plan was to keep passing to a minimum, grind it out against an opponent that can’t score, and get a freaking win.

    >>>>

    Truth there.

    I think they bottled him up a bit vs Jax.

    They can’t play conservative vs Den or we lose by three TDs.

    This is the first true test of our coaching staff…

  • SnBG

    Raiders opening drive is getting a lot of highlight play. How often do the Raids make the highlights for good things. Things are getting better. little by little.

  • LA to TheBay

    I’m just happy he did the right thing and went with TP. Wasn’t sure he had the sense to do that.

    —-

    Still not sure it was his call. TP gonna save his job. Maybe even get him COY.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Dakota Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:51 am
    I hope Johnny Footabll falls in the draft! I would spend a second round pick on him……after taking some stud in the top three in round 1!

    The future is bright!

    Bring in a good coaching staff and we will be set!

    @@@@@@@

    I wouldn’t spend a squirt of shlt on that punk. See post 344. He’s garbage.

  • aig-raiders

    Morning Raider Nation.
    1. It is so frickin awesome to see the Raiders play D as a team and I saw so many occasion of gang tackling out there. We dont have much individual talent but they are playing lights out as a team out there.
    2. Loved that conservative game plan. It reminds me of how VY won all those games with people complaining how ugly his throws were.
    3. I love it how people will under estimate us in Denver. In Tarver I trust!!!!

  • SnBG

    @404. Most of you’re Pryor comments are the reasons the coaches hold Pryor back. You’re comments make the case for the coaches to handle Pryor the way they do. He can’t be trusted fully to execute a full passing game plan.

  • RaiderKev24

    Well the Raiders D just took a significant hit. It is reported that Raiders fear SS Tyvon Branch has a fractured Fibula which will sideline him indefinitely. Damn..

  • aig-raiders

    You get pressure on Peyton and he will fold.

  • aig-raiders

    Jenkins is ballin out there. Porter finally had a very good game. But I think Jenkins is turning out to be a steal for us.

  • drray

    I want to see Dmac passing it to Pryor at least once or a game while we have both

  • Gdog

    RaiderKev24 Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Well the Raiders D just took a significant hit. It is reported that Raiders fear SS Tyvon Branch has a fractured Fibula which will sideline him indefinitely. Damn..

    >>>>

    Ouch… he WAS playing great. This will make our secondary weaker… no way to spin it.

  • SnBG

    LA To TheBay Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 8:56 am
    I’m just happy he did the right thing and went with TP. Wasn’t sure he had the sense to do that.

    —-

    Still not sure it was his call. TP gonna save his job. Maybe even get him COY.
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    Oh please. Stop with the DA second guessing. Why do you think they went out and got Flynn? No one thought Pryor was ready. The reason Pryor is starting is because he beat Flynn out in the preseason. Smart coaching with a hint of flexibility is DAs strong suite. He admits to mistakes and is willing to make a move for the betterment of the team.

  • drray

    Fractured Fibula if clean break is 4-6 weeks, usually no complications unless distal and head with multiple cleavage points- then may require pinning: otherwise pull it straight and put it in a cast, splint or boot and stay off it

  • inonewordraider

    veldheer Watson now branch

    our significant injuries have been to crucial players for us

    branch is big time for us in the run game

  • drray

    Bones heal, cartilage doesn’t, as long as clean break this is good news- he will be back in 6 weeks

  • SnBG

    Aig-Raiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:01 am
    Jenkins is ballin out there. Porter finally had a very good game. But I think Jenkins is turning out to be a steal for us.
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    What is this hate against Porter? He is balling.

  • SnBG

    I don’t think the jury is out on Pryor yet. A good compariso, IMO, is his play against Manuel. E.J. is already a better passer than Pryor. Pryor still has a ways to go.

  • JONTRAIN

    Aig-Raiders Says: September 16th, 2013 at 8:58 amMorning Raider Nation.1. It is so frickin awesome to see the Raiders play D as a team and I saw so many occasion of gang tackling out there. We dont have much individual talent but they are playing lights out as a team out there.2. Loved that conservative game plan. It reminds me of how VY won all those games with people complaining how ugly his throws were.3. I love it how people will under estimate us in Denver. In Tarver I trust!!!!
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    I gotta say tho..I do see talent on the defense. Lots of football iq as well. Losing Branch hurts…what happened to Jenkins? He looked hurt and came back in later. Huge sigh of relief there.

  • SnBG

    We have depth this year in the secondary so I’m not worried about Branch being out. Young will play fine and he has Woodson back there with him.

  • aig-raiders

    SBNG, Porter was targeted 6 times last week and all 6 completions. He was toasted over and over in the preseason. Yesterday was the first time he balled out there. So there you have it.

  • aig-raiders

    Jon, yes there’s talent but not the flashy talent that people want. All those guys are playing together as a group and ballin. We can’t afford to lose Jenkins or CWood, especially CWood.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Looks like we finally have a coaching staff that will game plan to the opponents weakness’s instead of ramming our heads into a brick wall like we been doing for 20+ years. And some of you want to b1tch & complain as if we are above an ugly win.

    smh

  • 0ak r8rs

    Drray Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
    Bones heal, cartilage doesn’t, as long as clean break this is good news- he will be back in 6 weeks

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    If that’s the case, do we move Veldheer to IR and designate Branch to return instead? I think you can swap players on that designation. Not sure tho. Just don’t think Veldheer is gonna be ready to come back from a tricep tear in 6 to 8 weeks. That’s been a year long recovery from what I’ve seen in most cases, Suggs aside.

  • SnBG

    Aig-Raiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:08 am
    SBNG, Porter was targeted 6 times last week and all 6 completions. He was toasted over and over in the preseason. Yesterday was the first time he balled out there. So there you have it.
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    Yes he was beat last week in the first half but in the second he shut Luck down. Yes this week he balled. You proved my point. He’s doing great. BTW, he had some good coverage on a lot of those throws by Luck. Luck just threw some great passes. Happens to corners all of the time. Let QBs think that Porters game is weak and he will beat them.

  • inonewordraider

    so how long is veldheer out?

    Watson?

    branch guess is 6 weeks?

  • 0ak r8rs

    MistaBrown Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am
    Looks like we finally have a coaching staff that will game plan to the opponents weakness’s instead of ramming our heads into a brick wall like we been doing for 20+ years. And some of you want to b1tch & complain as if we are above an ugly win.

    smh

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    Haha. So true. Like we should just throw the ball all over the field and risk turnovers for what? To show off? Rub it in on Jacksonville?

    It’s pointless. People should just take the win and move on. Some people r never satisfied. Just because your happy about a win doesn’t mean your saying we r going to the Super Bowl. It’s ok people, you can be happy w a win, regardless of the circumstances.

  • tuckrulefool

    gotta check this out fellas…loving me some shield!

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/team

  • Gdog

    aig-raiders Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    SBNG, Porter was targeted 6 times last week and all 6 completions. He was toasted over and over in the preseason. Yesterday was the first time he balled out there. So there you have it.

    >>>>

    He had perfect coverage on many of the throws that Luck completed. Not much you can do when a QB makes a PERFECT throw.

    I will take Porter compared to the “trail and tackle” CB technique we have agonizingly been subjected to for the last decade.

    If a QB makes a perfect throw in the NFL… so be it.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Watched the game in a sportsbook yesterday and unfortunately the DEN/NYG game was on the big screen, so no audio for the RAID game…

    Question: on the RAID ‘trick’ play what was the penalty for ? Why was that play called back ?

    Illegal formation ? Illegal motion ?

    Appeared to be decently executed and definitely caught the Jags by surprise.

    Was there a more detailed explanation of the penalty ?

  • SnBG

    Not good for Nix but it may work out for the best to replace him.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Inonewordraider Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:14 am
    so how long is veldheer out?

    Watson?

    branch guess is 6 weeks?

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    I heard 4 for Watson. Don’t know how reliable that is. A tricep tear is usually a season ender. And if it isn’t, the ones that come back too quick seem to get reinjured or r ineffective for the most part.

    I guess I believe that ddray guy. Seems reasonable enough. If its clean, 6 weeks. If not? Season ender.

  • tuckrulefool

    Besides 1 rushing attack….Top 6 overall D

    and top 10 rush d and top 10 pass d.

  • SnBG

    BBL folks, again, good debating here this morning.

  • Stabler76

    Yeah I had Porter down as D player of the week, but when I saw CWood knock MJD out of the game I knew he should be the one. Woodson had to miss a play right before that because of an injury, but came back with the big hit.

    Porter did sack Luck last week. One on one take down tackle. When Burnett had a clean shot, he just belly bumped Luck.

    CWood d-man of the week.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Tuckrulefool Says:
    September 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
    Besides 1 rushing attack….Top 6 overall D

    and top 10 rush d and top 10 pass d.

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    Yea. Looks great. And it’s better than the alternative. But it’s early. The Browns r right behind us in 7th and the Jags r 9th in total defense. It’s a long season. But we r off to a great start.

  • inonewordraider

    I heard 4 for Watson. Don’t know how reliable that is. A tricep tear is usually a season ender. And if it isn’t, the ones that come back too quick seem to get reinjured or r ineffective for the most part.

    I guess I believe that ddray guy. Seems reasonable enough. If its clean, 6 weeks. If not? Season ender.

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    if I remember correctly velheers tricep tear was a partial tear or minor with regards to tricep tears

    don’t know how much sooner this get’s him back, of course, we shouldn’t rush him back

    I know injuries happen but damnit if these 3 aren’t huge

  • bcz24

    Moore hate is rampant in here today. And deservedly so, he sucked big time yesterday. But he was solid week 1. One game does not make or break an NFL career.
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    That’s because the good performance from week 1 for Moore is the aberration, and the mind numbing lack of concentration yesterday is the norm.

  • The Big Banana

    @RM99 – illegal formation. Barnes wasn’t covered.

  • bcz24

    If that’s the case, do we move Veldheer to IR and designate Branch to return instead? I think you can swap players on that designation
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    Negative. Our designated to return player is JV, can’t change it now.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Branch isn’t as big a hit as Watson or Veldheer because we have some depth at safety. But it does suck.