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Raiders not quite a ‘top-notch defense’ yet

Just as people took note of the Raiders defense and included them in the conversation about the league’s better all-around defenses, the Eagles rolled into town and blew through the Raiders defense with the ease of Miguel Cabrera hitting an 85 MPH fastball.
The Eagles amassed 542 yards offense, passed for seven touchdowns and encountered little difficulty against the Raiders.
“I don’t know if we were reading our press clippings or what, but the NFL is all about what have you done for me lately and what do you do out there on Sunday,” Allen said. “If you want to be a top-notch defense you’ve got to bring it every week and we’ve got to do a better job next week.”
Allen on Sunday said that the Raiders rushed three, four, five guys at different times. Yet, nothing seemed to work when it came to trying to get pressure on Nick Foles.
After watching the video, Allen remained steadfast that the Raiders simply didn’t execute well when it came to getting after Foles.
“He was able to stand in the pocket,” Allen said of Foles. “Then, when we did do some things to flush him out of the pocket, he was able to make plays down the field. Obviously, always hindsight is 20-20 and if I knew that he was going to be able to be that effective in throwing the ball down the field, maybe we could have brought a few more pressures and maybe affected him. But there wasn’t a whole lot that we did in that game that did a lot to affect him.”
In the process, the Raiders got rolled by an Eagles team that struggled in recent games, Foles included — he completed 11 of 29 passes for 80 yards in his previous game.
The faceplant prevented the Raiders from evening their record at 4-4, remaining in the thick of the playoff hunt and making the kind of move that Allen sensed they were capable of making going into the game.
“Yeah, we missed an opportunity,” Allen said. “Now, exactly what does that mean? We had an opportunity to come in and play a game at home, get our record to .500, which would have been very beneficial to this football team from a confidence standpoint.”

– Quarterback Terrelle Pryor walked through the locker room without any apparent lingering effects from the right knee injury he suffered against the Eagles.
Coach Deniis Allen said Pryor is “day-to-day,” which means no one will really know how Pryor is going to hold up until Pryor’s able to show what he can do on the practice field.
Rookie Matt McGloin replaced Pryor late in the game and completed 7 of 15 passes for 87 yards in his NFL debut. Here’s Allen’s summation of McGloin’s performance in mop-up duty.
“Matt did some good things,” Allen said. “He drove us down there at the end of the game and got us a touchdown there at the end of the game. That was good to see, for him to get in there and get some experience. Obviously, there was a couple of plays that maybe he could have made that we weren’t able to make. But for the first time out there, he did some good things.”

– In addition to the injuries to Pryor and McFadden, Allen said wide receiver Juron Criner suffered a shoulder injury against the Eagles, right offensive tackle Matt McCants injured a toe and kicker Sebastian Janikowski hurt his ribs.
McCants exited the locker room Monday with a protective boot on his right foot. If he can’t play against the Giants, it’s likely that rookie Menelik Watson or veteran Tony Pashos will get the nod.

– Speaking of Watson, he made his regular-season debut against the Eagles as a result of the injury to McCants.
From afar, it appeared as if Watson fared pretty well in his first action since he played in one exhibition game.
“He did some good things,” Allen said. “There’s some things that we can build with with him. There’s some good things that we can build on.”
Watson wasn’t available during media access Monday. We’ll see if we can track him down Wednesday and get his assessment.

– Pryor went 90 passes without an interception at one point this season. Now, he has seven in his past 79 attempts. As a result, some say Pryor is regressing.
“I’m not seeing that term at all,” Allen said. “I’m still seeing a guy that’s progressing. I’m still seeing a guy who still makes some young player mistakes. But also I’m seeing overall with our passing game everybody is involved. A lot of times you just look at the quarterback position and everything is based on the quarterback and that’s the way of the NFL.”
In other words, don’t be so quick to give Pryor credit for everything when things go well and don’t assume that Pryor is all at fault when the Raiders struggle.
Also, keep in mind that Pryor passed for 288 yards and ran for 94 against the Eagles in a game in which the Raiders amassed 560 yards offense.
“It might not have looked like some of the other quarterbacks in the league, but we threw for over 330 yards in the game,” Allen said. “So there is some progress there.”

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  • The_Judge37

    No problem.

  • nolarick

    Still, Trev is correct, the ball should have come out immediately, but did not.

  • The_Judge37

    You must’ve counted Watson, who also looks like he’s comming after the QB.

  • The_Judge37

    To who? The guys in tight press coverage? Reese is barely finishing his 3 yard route and two guys are already comming completely free.

  • TrevJo

    People say he has all the tools. I think that’s a misleading thing to say. The most important tool for an NFL QB is a high-functioning brain. I’m not sure he has it. He’s an NFL athlete with a college player’s understanding of the game. It’s just not realistic to believe that any mental or skill defect of the game is going to be fixed because it’s “coachable”.

  • Papertiger

    Looks like we might catch a break. Victor Cruz being held out of Giants practice, so he can rest and recover from a hit he took against the Eagles:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/06/giants-holding-victor-cruz-out-of-practice/

  • R8erEduc8er

    Everyone needs to play better. Football is the ultimate team sport. In the passing game, the WRs and the o-line has to do their jobs for the passing game to work like it should. How do you know if the hot read is double covered? How do you know if the hot read even knows that he’s the hot read? A screen or slant not being called is Olsen’s fault. If the opposing team is getting pressure naturally, there’s no need for TP to audible out of the playcall.

  • TrevJo

    That and $12 will get us a beer at MetLife Stadium. The only reason I think we have any chance to win this game is just because the team ought to be extra focused after last week’s butt-whupping.

  • Papertiger

    I just think Educ8er’s talking about how fans might need to recalibrate their expectations, setting them closer to what they were before the season started. Bottom line is, TP2 is still an uncertainty, we’ve got $50mil in dead payroll, 10 new starters on defense, a shoddy o-line, and DMAC.

    Most of us figured it was going to be a long season from the start. We just got our hopes up after the first couple games.

  • The_Judge37

    As long as we don’t get beat by the Time Zone again. I think they should keep our guys on a Eastern clock throughout the season. I’m tired of losing on the east coast.

  • Papertiger

    That’s what I’m worried about, too. This team just does not travel well.

  • aig-raiders

    NOlarik assumes that the 3 guys running toward him will stand still and let TP run right past him. U do realize that one of the faster DL guy is right in his face right?

  • The_Judge37

    If they come out flat again, then the Coach needs to put them on the ETZ schedule. Wake em up for practice at 6 am

  • AutumnThunderstorm

    Pryor doesn’t get paid big bucks, he will though.

  • TrevJo

    I felt that King was the wrong choice in the offseason but was willing to give it a pass since it’s a rebuilding year and the future was more important than this year. But it is frustrating to have such struggles from him all season (both punting and holding).

  • aig-raiders

    Reece is not the first read you idiot. To get to your last read you must go through your first second and 3rd read. TP wasnt even allowed his first read and 3 guys broke loose. Amazing how you look at the picture and there are so many things wrong with the OLine and the first thing u say is the QB is the prob.

  • The_Judge37

    Letting Shane go was the wrong choice. King straight up beat Kluwe, but he’s showing he’s not ready for the NFL and isn’t consistant enough for the Volume of punting this team requires of a Punter.

  • aig-raiders

    come out to who? 81 is still in his route. Reece is the dumpoff but you have to go through your 1st read before you get to your check down. There’s a reason why QBs dont do well with a good pass rush.

  • R8erEduc8er

    I just think guys have to have a little more patience with TP. They act like he’s stepping into a perfect situation and he’s the only weak link. We all know he is incredibly athletic. Imagine what we may have if the o-line and passing game does get their schyt in order. With that said, he only has this year to prove himself imo.

  • The Big Banana

    Lol. Might as well give up, aig. You’re trying to reason with a moron.

    Good post, tho. Laughed when I read it.

  • TrevJo

    My comment doesn’t stand considering there were actually only 5 pass rushers. I can’t say who he should be throwing to considering I don’t know the play’s reads and you can’t see most of the receivers on that screenshot. But suffice to say if there were 6 pass rushers then everyone is single-covered and there has got to be a hot route somewhere. It’s a moot point because I miscounted so that is not the case.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Your clearly a troll, in the KC game they called so many slants and quick outs KC started sitting on the routes and jumping them, so come up with something else. If a team blitzes or gets immediate pressure what are you left to do and they are sitting on all the short stuff ? All you can do is improve your oline to give the qb and wr’s more time to run longer routes or double moves.

  • The_Judge37

    According to Omar Kelly of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Dolphins coaches asked Incognito “to toughen up” Martin after he missed a voluntary workout during the 2013 offseason. Kelly cites “at least two” unnamed sources.
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    Ritchie is getting the raw end if this is true.

  • R8erEduc8er

    Amazing how you look at the picture and there are so many things wrong with the OLine and the first thing u say is the QB is the prob.

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    Exactly

  • Papertiger

    It’s a CODE RED all over again!

  • Raideraholic

    I have been racking my brain the last couple days trying to figure out what was wrong with the Raiders this past Sunday. Finally it hit me! It was all Martez Wilson’s fault!

  • Papertiger

    No, it is DA’s fault for deactivating Brice Butler. That guy is the glue that holds this fragile squad together!

  • Raideraholic

    lol

  • eastoaklandraider

    I don’t mind another race saying what’s up my nigg@ if we are good like that. I say it to other races I’m cool with, if Richie was saying it in that manner I have no problem with it.

  • R8erEduc8er

    What was the end result of that play? Anyone know?

  • DJ Johnny

    So next year if we’re still losing and getting blown out at home by sub.500 teams and letting marginal QB’s set NFL all time records is it gonna be “Well, this is the first yr Reg has had a full draft and money to spend. It’s gonna take time for these guys to get experience under their belts and learn to gel as a team”?
    Or…”Look where the experts picked us to finish. I’d say we’re doing pretty good considering that. Nobody predicted us to be any good”.
    Sorry. Just sick of the losing, excuses….all of it.

  • R8erEduc8er

    Pryor has not thrown one good long ball leading a receiver all year when he does have time.
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    SD game, TD pass to Streeter?

  • Jim Jesus

    I realize all the reasons we are not a competitive team but I am so sick of losing. It seems like we take 1 step forward and 2 steps back. We are leading the NFL in suckitude and I am tired of it.

  • rifflicks

    31 other teams….bye

  • J Hill

    aig-raiders

    • 2 hours ago

    some of the bloggers here wanted TP to handle the pass rush better last Sunday. I dont know how you’re supposed to handle this one. https://twitter.com/StevePalaz…

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    Reece is open underneath.

    But he’s bailing out of the play already.

    Could have completed the ball and probably got a 15 yd roughing call.

  • the angry dr robert

    If u listen to the phone call, it’s different than reading it. I think it’s just fraternity jock stupidity run amok.

    BUT it shouldn’t be part of the workplace. It seems the dolphins org directed this in part, and they weren’t friends like that.

    Perhaps Martin could have simply said “don’t talk to me like that”. But there’s a lot we don’t know.

    It is interesting that many of the black players have backed incognito, so it may be that he was just talking smack in a humorous way that they didn’t feel was offensive in spirit.

    But incognitos dads apparent posts to a message board seem to be pretty hate filled

  • J Hill

    SMH

  • The_Judge37

    Reese is barely finishing his 3 yard route, the two defenders already broke through long before Reese was open. Pryor’s only read was, “Not this $h!t again”

  • R8erEduc8er

    LOL He would have been sacked, fumbled, injured, or all 3 before Reece turned his head around.

    Anyone know the end result of this play?

  • aig-raiders

    cool man.

  • DJ Johnny

    I guess it makes some guys feel better to say Nick friggin Foles is a HOFamer in the making and we were just unfortunate to be the opponent for his coming out party, or to say it’s just a simple case of the defense having a “bad day”.
    I don’t know what it was other than the most demoralizing Raider game I’ve seen in quite some time. And that’s saying something. I guess it’s because there were some expectations involved. I got sucked in to the optimism. My bad.
    I guess a win over the Giants would serve as s.ome salve on the wounds.
    My worry is the Philly game was the start of everyone “figuring us out” and now let the carnage begin in earnest.
    I hope that isn’t the case.

  • J Hill

    Those are the same quick dump downs McGloin was hitting Jennings for.

    Reece’s head is around looking for the ball.

    Pryor has to already know he’s going to hit Reece WHEN Nix gets beat like he ALWAYS does.

  • R8erEduc8er

    I picked up the Raider D in fantasy football for the 1st time ever for that Philly game. Imagine how I felt lol.

    I’m approaching every game now as the underdog and I hope the team does also.

  • JOn Wooah

    Raiders
    Beat ‏@RaidersBeat
    4h

    Familiar name –> @caplannfl: #Browns QB Jason Campbell named AFC Offensive Player of the Week.

  • Jim Jesus

    The expectations were the biggest factor in my let down. I always get sucked in as I am a homer circa 1967. Pisses me the fvck off. I should know better.

  • JOn Wooah

    Remember when Raiders fans said Jcampbell couldnt play.. he couldnt throw a deep ball. blah blah.

    Jason Campbell is the best Qb we have had since Gannon.. he was better then Palmer ..and Reggie should have brought him back in over Flyn and Tyler wilson.

    He and Tp2 would be good , Fact is if Jason Campbell never goes down .. who knows what HUE’s record would have been. maybe 10-6 they were 6-2 at the time

    I know Ford, REECE, D MOORE havent been the same since Campbell and HUE

  • JOn Wooah

    easy to say from your computer.. not 2 seconds

  • DJ Johnny

    Yep. I get resentful that this team makes me watch the rest of the game for the sole purpose of hoping they don’t set some all time point differential record.
    That was my rooting interest in that GB game a couple yrs back but that was vs an elite team on the road.
    A shame that two yr’s later it’s an even worse one vs a losing team AT HOME …in a game you were FAVORED to win.

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  • J Hill

    Very.

    Pretty sure it easy for TP to see after the fact too.

    But the point is what is your PLAN for when Nix gets beat?

    Obviously, EVERY time the plan is to tuck it.