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Capsules on Raiders fourth-round draft picks Ellis, McGill

Justin Ellis
Round: Fourth, No. 107 overall
Position: Defensive tackle
College: Louisiana Tech
Height, weight: 6-foot-2, 334 pounds
Quotable: “Vince Wilfork, he has grown on me a lot. I like the way he plays the game and I kind of model my game after him.” – Ellis on the Patriots massive defensive tackle
Resume: Started 25 of the 37 games he played during his four-year collegiate career; played both defensive tackle and nose guard; weight a consistent concern for a player who once reached 390 pounds; adept at clogging the middle against the run and occupying blockers so that others can make plays unimpeded; born Dec. 27, 1990, in Monroe, Louisiana.

Keith McGill
Round: Fourth, No. 116 overall (Miami Dolphins)
Position: Cornerback
College: Utah
Height, weight: 6-foot-3, 211 pounds
Quotable: “I pretty much locked down everyone I faced, and tried to explain that to a lot of people. I don’t think they understood that. It is a process and the Pac-12 prepares you for the NFL.” – McGill on a conference call after being drafted
Resume: Started all 12 games his senior season; missed all of 2012 season, while rehabilitating a surgically repaired shoulder; at 25, quite old for a rookie; uncommon size for a cornerback; questionable work ethic at times; intriguing prospect who has the look of an NFL player, either as a cornerback or free safety; said off-field issues that surfaced in college are a thing of the past.

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Steve Corkran

  • Return

    Hell, who wouldn’t. But it’s getting almost impossible to find lines that can block the JJ watts and Aldon Smiths and Jared Allens of the world. The defenses have become just too big and powerful and fast. RM to his credit is trying to counteract that with beef this draft and preseason. Valiant effort but one destined to fail. Speed kills. Penn is in for a brutal season.

  • kuhlest

    dude Carr is every bit as athletic as Rodgers

  • kuhlest

    Carr is on par with Gannon as far as athleticly

  • Return

    Ok. Again. I haven’t seen his rushing aspect or scramble buy time aspect. I repeat, I haven’t seen all of Carr’s film and I’m open to changing my mind on him being dual threat.

  • kuhlest

    3rd and 48 yds was it?

  • Eldiabs

    Exactly that’s my point.

  • Return

    And yet, whose jersey hangs in the HOF? Whose name made into Raider lore and the Raider records books?

  • kuhlest

    I wouldn’t classify him as a dual threat (nor Rodgers) but a QB that can scramble, throw accurately on the run and steal some 1st downs with his feet

  • pcraider

    Last time I saw Ben Gardner his boat was at the bottom of the ocean and his head popped out of the hole in it…………….

  • Howard Benner

    Savage is much better than Keenum. . .

  • kuhlest

    #truth…..Cam, Kap, RG3, are more dual threat QBs than above mentioned

  • Return

    You became so embarrassed at being the downtrodden always wrong trollish roadrunner little troll boy that you had to assume a new name. Didn’t work . You are still troll shitz. Just in a different sized terd.

  • kuhlest

    thats great if that is your end game/goal…..mine is winning games and championships

  • kuhlest

    this isn’t about me….but I am a very confident individual, so I feel I could do as well if not better,,,

  • Return

    No that’s what you inferred. I stated quite clearly what I meant. If you didn’t understand it I’ll be glad to clarify if for you.

  • kuhlest

    do it for a hell of a lot less $$$ too

  • kuhlest

    shoot, Mark could pay me $150,000 a year plus perks and I would do the job

  • Return

    See my definition of dual threat. Notice it doesn’t break down along racial lines

  • Howard Benner

    I would not have taken Carr wreck; would have taken Tuitt of ND to learn under Justin Tuck & in the event of the 3-4 he’s the perfect 5 tech; if they coulda made the second round trade with the cowgirls then they coulda had an additional third round selection, then I woulda used the second round pick on Stanley Jean-Baptiste, with Tuitt gone to the Stealers. . .then in the third I woulda selected Billy Turner with their pick instead of relinquishing it to the ‘Fins. . .with the second third round selection they coulda traded down, netting their second fourth round pick. . .then they go Martavis Bryant whti their fourth round pick & their developmental/sit a year QB in tom savage. . .they coulda then traded their sixth & seventh round selections for a fifth & taken Shamar Stephens to play DT. He can play the NT & the one tech in the 4-3. . .

  • Howard Benner

    The richest part of this crop of WR’s were the first through fourth round selections. the rest are developmental projects. Through yesterday there were 16 WR’s picked. usually that number is around 12. . .so, no, the cream of the crop are already gome. . .the rest possess huge question marks. . .

  • Return

    Then we are both on the same page and in full agreement. It’s all about the wins!!

    Flynn/McGloin-1 win. Pryor-3 wins.

  • Reuel Smith

    Palmer?
    How bout Schuab?

  • Return

    Poor little troll boy. Can’t even hide behind a new name. Send the roadrunner back. At least some of your sheep will recognize you and give you a sympathetic nod.

  • Howard Benner

    I was analogizing. . .Al’s propensity of choosing a player one round before their time has been handed down to Reg. . .a successful team takes the best player on their board & even though many times a team will use later rounds to address need picks that isn’t a recipe I would hasten to use.

    As far as Derek preferring to follow his bro to Fresno State I am well aware of that explanation for the football following world @ large & was just offering something I was mulling around in my brainpan.

    Ah, not caring what other teams do is tantamount with not having a clue what the rest of the talent base around the league is. . .thus you remain clueless why your team is constantly beaten like a drum.

    if you are aware of the players filling out the rosters around the league you will be able to determine match up scenarios come game day. . otherwise you blindly wonder why you can’t compete with certain teams & why “your favorite players” continuously lose their individual match ups against other teams/players. . .

    of course it seems you prefer to engage in a game of “blind enthusiasm. . .”

    As a result of your visceral response i was able to conjure up a huge $hit, so thanks for that. . .next simpleton, please!

  • Howard Benner

    As he will but every year there is an overwhelming amount of available talent i consider it an abject failure not to imbibe of the available pool. Heck, some teams took more than one candidate. . .I like that kinda thinking!

    I also woulda taken two so called press corners. . .if available. . .jean Baptiste & McGill. . .Bryant & Moncrief. . .Moncrief being a bigger, faster version of Jones. . .CWood mentoring Hayden, Jean Baptiste & McGill. . .

  • Howard Benner

    Two things; doe to the rules that have liberalized the passing game this has become a throw & catch league. . .failure to address this is not keeping up with the nuances of the game.

    Second, & I can’t emphasize this enough; when there is a year in which a glut of talent exists @ a particular position & your team fails to jump into the available talent I consider that an abject failure. . .some teams chose to use two picks on WR’s. . .

    I woulda opted for one prime WR & one prime shut down corner but wouldn’t have been adverse to choosing two Wr’s & two press corners. . .say, Bryant & Moncrief & Stanley Baptiste & McGill. . .

    Guys who will invariably fight weight problems & might find themselves @ 390 & Og’s that perhaps have problems in pass pro won’t help in this day & age of pitch & catch football, particularly when your home games are played in Cali, where the weather promotes throwing the football. . .comprende?!

  • kuhlest

    Whom was going to come in and bump our young progressing young guys in rounds 2,3,4?

    Mathews = streeter

    Bryant = Holmes

    Moncrief= Jones

    You get my point…..

    Next year Wr in 1st/2nd if these guys prove we need it

  • Howard Benner

    Bryant is a full tenth of a second & then some faster than holmes. Unlike most taller receivers he has limber hips. thus he could ultimately run all the route tree. Plys with Jones harping in his ear daily, “you’re better than Jordy Nelson” you have a potential game breaker @ the WR. . .

    The Raiders currently don’t have anything even remotely close to a #1 WR. . potential or otherwise.

    If a guy like Bryant pans out; he has the frame to accommodate 7-10 additional lbs. @ no speed reduction; a Julio Jones/AJ Green @ a significant price reduction. . .

    Moncrief is bigger & faster than Jones; that would be an exact “watch me; you’ll make the big coin if you do what i say” mentorship. . .

    I wasn’t interested in Matthews @ all; just a possession receiver;

    Huge talent years @ one position don’t come around each year. . .remember the years of 2001 & 2002 when Henderson, Seymour, Stroud, Haynesworth, Peppers, Andre Carter & Casey hampton were drafted in the first round?

    last year hom many WR’s were taken in the first round? How many in the second? There is no guarantee next year’s WR class will be the boon of this year’s. . .

    Get my point? You draft the talent when it’s available; this year’s second round WR’s would have been #1′s last year; this year’s third rounders would have been #2′s. . .you have to adjust for the available talent. otherwise you’re just filling needs, a recipe for disaster in the NFL draft! Get it?

  • Eldiabs

    Dude god bless. You’re gonna have it tough in this world if you believe everything you read and hear. Now brush your teeth and wash your face before bed little man

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