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Former 49ers Tarell Brown, Carlos Rogers hope to bring winnning approach across bay to Raiders

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Rather than look far and wide to solve a problem at cornerback, the Raiders hope to have found the answer by crossing the county line and signing 49ers free agents Tarell Brown and Carlos Rogers.

The revolving door of veteran corners started in 2012 with Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer, neither of whom could stay healthy. Spencer went on injured reserve and Bartell was released before the season was over.

Last season it was Mike Jenkins and Tracy Porter, with the Raiders determining at the end of the season that neither merited a serious contract offer.

Brown and Rogers represent a third chance to get it right, and likely will go into training camp as the projected starters _ just as they were for the last three seasons on a 49ers team that went 36-11-1 and went to the NFC championship game each year, winning one.

Rogers, who sat out his second straight minicamp practice with a minor calf injury, said the 49ers team he joined in 2011 as a free agent was in a similar place to where the Raiders are now.

The 49ers had gone eight years without a winning season before Jim Harbaugh and his staff arrived. Rogers was one of several veterans brought in to go along with some good young players drafted in previous years.

“Before I got there, they weren’t good,’’ Rogers said. “They always had a top 10 pick, were sorry, and the division wasn’t really good, period.’’

Brown, who played under Mike Nolan and Mike Singletary on teams that went 5-11, 7-9, 8-8 and 6-10, can see a parallel.

“My first few years we weren’t as successful, but he attention to detail changed, the mindset changed and the attitude changed and you can see that here,’’ Brown said. “On days like this at practice, the attention to detail is amazing and guys have been putting in extra work. You see guys standing afterward and asking lots of questions. That’s how we started with the 49ers.’’

Brown, who felt slighted by the 49ers initial contract offer and signed with the Raiders for one year and $4.5 million, is entrenched as one starter.

Rogers was brought in to play in the slot and will on third downs, but could end up playing fulltime if second-year player DJ Hayden can’t stay healthy long enough to develop into the player the Raiders thought he’d be when he was taken in the first round in 2013.

One advantage the veterans have over their predecessors at cornerback is they are already familiar with each other as well as similarities in a defensive scheme that has seen coordinator Jason Tarver borrow heavily from the 49ers.

Tarver was a 49ers assistant when Brown was there but departed for Stanford when Rogers arrived. He said both players have already identified familiar plays called by different names.

“The biggest thing with those two guys is they want to be right,’’ Tarver said. “They want to win, they understand how to win, and they’ve won.’’

Brown said there’s a comfort level from having Rogers on the same team on the opposite side of the bay.

“We understand each other,’’ Brown said. “We understand what we like, we understand our body language, how to play together and how to win games.’’

Rogers feels like a handful of his teammates in that at age 32 he feels he’s got plenty of football left.

“You can be playing good, but you get to a certain age and it’s not about how you’re playing,’’ Rogers said. “If you’re making too much money at age 30, they’re ready to push you out and get somebody younger. It happened with (Tarell) and he’s younger than me.

“We’ve got guys, whether we were pushed out because of cap room or age, we’ve got something to prove. We still think we can play _ actually, we know we can still play. Things are happening. Me and `T,’ we’re on the on the other side of the bay and we’re going to make a change.’’

– Weak side linebacker Miles Burris got into a scuffle with left tackle Donald Penn, with teammates breaking it up.

– Wide receiver James Jones missed practice with an AC sprain and also won’t practice in Thursday’s final minicamp session.

– Former Raiders on hand at practice included Clem Daniels, Howie Williams, Proverb Jacobs, Jerry Porter and Isaiah Ekejiuba.

– Offensive tackle Emmett Cleary was claimed off waivers from Tampa Bay and wide receiver David Gilreath was waived.

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  • MachoManRandySavage

    same team 8-8 twice. Talent is the biggest illusion sold in the NFL. but, I gotta agree, zero talent under the headsets!!!

  • JerryMcDonalds#1Fan

    Ozzy will be 66. can he still sing? it would be cool to see him do “Iron Man” during the Raiders super bowl halftime show in Feb 2015 versus Seattle

  • J Hill

    3 games?

    What about the rest of the year?

    Diaw hitting “some” 3′s (what, 1 per game) is not what Kevin Love’s game is about. He is not a post player who gets others involved.

  • timetojam

    I put the odds at about 25-30%

  • MachoManRandySavage

    The Victoria Secret summer fashion show would be fine.

  • SnBG

    Another example of how stats don’t tell the whole story. Hue was coaching in a bad AFC West. He would of had the same, if not worse record than DA. Hue didn’t have to face the cap issues and the letting go of check cashing players. It is widely regarded around the NFL that the Raiders where in the worst position a team could be in when Reg and DA took over.

  • FourMoreYears

    That would be sweet. He could plagiarize himself.

  • R8erEduc8er

    I’m sure it’ll be Pharrell despite how old “Happy” will be.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    You have the greatest avatar on the blog.

    Lester the Molester was the sh!t.

  • FourMoreYears

    Really? I thought Bruno was meh.

  • BigBenRexor

    Another example of “Stats don’t Lie”, except when they don’t support your theory.

  • JerryMcDonalds#1Fan

    in February? you’re ruthless

  • Sir Raider Duck, OMS

    Well, he’s our HC for this season and maybe a long time afterwards. So suck it up, marine…

  • Sir Raider Duck, OMS

    Ozzy? Why not just get Sabbath?

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    excuses, excuses.

    no one is buying that bull.

    FIRE REGGIE NOW.

  • MachoManRandySavage

    woulda coulda…. when Jimmy Johnson took over the Cowboys they were 3-13, first season 1-15, second season 7-9, the rest is history… thats called coaching. not the sorry excuse making machine we have in oakland….”no talent, waaaaaa”!

  • R8erEduc8er

    Agree. Beasley is a beast offensively, but rides the bench because his defense is non-existent.

  • MachoManRandySavage

    Thanks man. Always been a huge fan of Ol Lester.

  • timetojam

    was just thinking the same. nothing to do now but wait and see

  • FourMoreYears

    Because Dio is dead.

  • FourMoreYears

    The real truth is this: whoever it is will not top Prince.

  • JerryMcDonalds#1Fan

    Al Davis with Tom & Hue as HC versus Reggie McKenzie with Dennis as HC..the debate rages on, but people who claim that 2010/2011/2012/2013 were all the “same team” as in same roster, but different coach … are straight up bananas!! you’re either not a Raider fan, or you’re a clown trying to back up a hatred claim without any facts or substance. Either way, slap yourself and get the heck outta here.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Who hired that bum?

    FIRE REGGIE NOW.

  • SnBG

    One of the worst moves a Coach or GM could possibly make is to give up high picks to get a player. Hue panicked and cost us 2 important draft picks that set us back.In October of 2011, the Oakland Raiders acquired unhappy quarterback Carson Palmer from the Cincinnati Bengals to fill in for an injured Jason Campbell. To acquire Palmer, then-coach Hue Jackson convinced owner Mark Davis to give up the Raiders’ 2012 first-round pick, as well as a second. This one of the main reasons Reg couldn’t get ahead on the talent phase of his tenner.

  • FourMoreYears

    Katy Perry will do “California Girls” during the 2015 Raiders-Niners Super Bowl.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Poor Reggie.

    FIRE REGGIE NOW.

  • FourMoreYears

    Everybody criticizes Hue for that. Nobody mentions that Mark put the OK on that deal.

  • JerryMcDonalds#1Fan

    Cyrus doing “wrecking ball” when we’re beating the AZ Cards 34-10 at halftime would be pretty hilarious too

  • IVRaider

    I won $100 betting on whether or not he would be wearing a fedora, so I approve the Bruno Mars halftime show.

  • plunkhead

    I beg your pardon

  • SnBG

    Doesn’t matter. Reg had to dump some of those check cashing dogs that where on the team with Hue. Plus Hue didn’t have to face Manning. Can you imagine what Hues 8-8 team, with those check cashing bums, would have done against Manning. Ha. Manning would have eaten Hues lunch. Oh, and don’t forget those injuries we had in DA’s first year.

  • IVRaider

    Lil Jon signing ‘Turn Down for What”. Book it now.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Mark is scum.

  • FourMoreYears

    What I mean is that Mark gets zero blame for that whole deal when he should get it all. If my kid says he wants to eat an entire bag of candy for dinner and I let him, whose fault is it when he stays up all night with a stomach ache?

  • FourMoreYears

    Lil Jon would be amazing.

  • J Hill

    Right.

    If we get Love, we would need to trade for a Tyson Chandler type to cover for him at the rack.

    Love would be a good fit with Lebron and Chandler. With a C like Dion Jordan.

  • willy91137

    They do not understand any of that in our offense of line was pretty good when cable was here cable is the one that got the ball rolling all Hu did was bring his version of an offense and you have to remember that KC and San Diego and Denver were not very good the team we had last year could’ve probably went 8and 8 a against those teams

  • SnBG

    I did say a coach or GM. Both are at fault but I think Hue took advantage of Markie and talked him into it.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    You make me puke.

  • plunkhead

    You are right as most everyone wants to blame Al or Hue or DA or Reg. However I have wanted Marks retirement papers since day one.
    If he had hired a CEO or Pres to run the team like every other football team I would give him a break

  • SnBG

    If we had had those 1 and 2 rnd picks we could be reaping the benefit of that this year.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Reggie would just blow them on busts like Hayden.

    FIRE REGGIE NOW.

  • plunkhead

    Ozzy is unlikely to be depended upon to remember the words or make it to gametime.
    Heart recently played and played great

  • Theghostronin79

    And Mack…He’s a bust waiting to happen.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    I hope not.

    I like Mack.

  • Theghostronin79

    Paul Gutierrez ‏@PGutierrezESPN 2m

    Oh, & #Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he expects #DerekCarr to be 2nd string QB heading into training camp, behind Schaub, ahead of McGloin

  • Theghostronin79

    Me too. I’m trying not to set too high of expectations of him.

  • willy91137

    when Johnson left what was the name of that coach that took over and won the Super Bowl- I think he coached Arkansas or Oklahoma that kind of shows that coaching isn’t everything

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    He is a fumble causing machine.

  • Theghostronin79

    Damn….That would be fantastic if he turns out to be a Holy Terror.