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Raiders QB Matt Schaub and coach Dennis Allen believe sore elbow won’t change plan regarding Week 1 starter

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If all goes according to plan, a few days of rest will be the cure for what ails the right elbow of quarterback Matt Schaub and he’ll be in the starting lineup when the Raiders open the regular-season on Sept. 7 against the New York Jets.

Schaub missed his second straight day of practice Monday and although coach Dennis Allen hasn’t ruled him out of the preseason finale against Seattle, the likely scenario will have rookie Derek Carr getting the start and Schaub watching from the sidelines.

The Raiders host the Seahawks Thursday night at 7 p.m. at O.co Coliseum.

Unlike last season, when Terrelle Pryor was essentially auditioning for the starting job against Seattle while Matt Flynn rested a sore elbow, Carr’s work will be developmental unless Schaub’s elbow doesn’t respond to rest and treatment.

“We’re going to take him day by day and try to make sure he’s ready to go,’’ Allen said.

Asked if he expected to be ready to play in the opener, Schaub said, “Absolutely. One-hundred percent. Absolutely.’’

Schaub was non-specific about when his elbow began to bother him.

“It’s just something that’s kind of come up,’’ Schaub said. “It’s lingered a little bit. But it’s come up and we’re dealing with it. It’s something we want to take care of and get out of the way now before we start the regular season.’’

Neither Schaub nor Allen were interested in the coincidental nature of how the Raiders changed quarterbacks a year ago at this time when Flynn played poorly, missed the preseason finale with elbow tendonitis, and then lost his starting job to Terrelle Pryor.

“I don’t know what happened last year. I don’t know what happened with anybody who was here last year,’’ Schaub said. “I just know myself and what we’re going through right now to get ready for Week 1.’’

Said Allen: “I don’t see those two situations as the same.’’

Indeed, while the Raiders were beginning to distance themselves from Flynn and give credence to the possibility that Pryor could start, Allen is still publicly backing Schaub and answered in the affirmative when asked if he expected Schaub to start the opener.

Even with confirmation of elbow soreness, Allen doesn’t feel it’s played a role in some of Schaub’s difficulties in the passing game. Neither does Schaub.

“It hasn’t’ really affected it,’’ Schaub said. “It’s just bothersome. It’s just something I noticed and something I want to take care of and get out of the way.’’

Allen has maintained the Raiders’ struggles with the first team in the passing game were because of mistakes in all areas ranging from protection to route running to dropped passes and some missed throws.

With all that to work on, Schaub has missed two full days of practice.

“Obviously that’s something you’d like to have, but you’ve got to have a little bit of foresight in getting ready for the opening game, and that’s what’s the most critical,’’ Allen said.

Carr appeared as unconcerned as Schaub and Allen about the condition of Schaub’s right elbow.

“Schauby’s going to be fine,’’ Carr said. “There’s no doubt in my mind. He is fine. I’ve seen him every day, I’ve seen what he is doing every day in the weight room, the meeting room, the field. He’s just fine.’’

– The Raiders must trim eight players from the roster to get to the NFL-mandated 75 by 1 p.m. Tuesday. Four of those spots could be cleared by placing cornerback DJ Hayden and guard Lucas Nix on the physically unable to perform list and running back Kory Sheets (Achilles) and tight end Nick Kasa (ACL) on injured reserve.

Allen said, however, the Raiders would probably wait until Saturday’s deadline to make the call on Hayden.

– Linebacker Nick Roach (concussion), linebacker Sio Moore (neck strain) and tackle Menelik Watson (hip flexor) did not practice. Cornerbacks Chimdi Chekwa (knee) and Taiwan Jones (knee) are being targeted for Week 1. Tight end David Ausberry (knee) was moving well while working with the training staff.

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  • c2e

    This team is in “911 – win now” mode. They are not looking out for Carr’s long term interest.

  • lefty12

    Disagree about Carr’s interests.That is why they’d prefer he sit a year.

  • c2e

    If Shaub is done, they will play Carr over McGloin (which I disagree with) even if it retards his long term development or health.

  • JOn Wooah

    Its obvious CARR should be week 1 starter, however Roll with Mgloin for 4 weeks till Carr is really read.

    Carr is the number 1 Qb PERIOD

  • JOn Wooah

    Let Harbaugh or Hue Jax city coach Carr and he would be a Top ten Qb in the league, within 2 yrs

  • c2e

    and McGloin

  • JLofty

    Aint nuthin wrong with the Swaub…little elbow tenderness. He’s not 23 yo any more…

  • inonewordraider

    http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Schaub-Addresses-Elbow-Soreness/38f0ab74-0126-4052-997a-89807ae40d83
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    you be the judge on whether or not this was his decision….

  • lefty12

    Right,Harbitch has done such a great job with that guy across the bay.

  • JLofty

    Yeah Harbuckle has really sped along Kap development. A magician really….

  • JOn Wooah

    Carr to Mike Evans… could have been great

  • Blackholepriest

    This auto-correct crap drives me nuts. When I look back at my post it’s always saying something I never typed.

  • JOn Wooah

    Kaep is not good. Think about it.. A qb for Harbaugh to work with. He brought Kaep that far

  • inonewordraider

    “if coach wants me to play I would be out there”-matt schaub

  • Blackholepriest

    I would agree sitting Carr a year if he had someone watchable to sit behind like Cassell. Or someone who can do a reputable job.

    Schaub was garbage before they got him. McGloin honestly IMO gives us nothing Carr doesn’t.

  • xraided

    sensing some sarcasm here……

  • _Mista_

    Some just not getting it McGloin is no 3 and unless 2 guys in front of him get banged up he wont see the field.

    If there was a slight chance of McGloin starting they would be rotating all 3 Qb’s with the 1′s.

  • OhioRaider

    Yep.

  • JLofty

    Soooo….what QB HAS Harbuckle turned into a top10 QB in the NFL within 2 years?

  • JLofty

    You lost me at Cassell=watchable….
    I liked watching him play for the Queefs, that was entertaining….
    No so much in Minny against our 3rd string starting CBs…

  • _Mista_

    Right.
    Kap looks a hot mess.

  • c2e

    fishy, especially “i don’t know what they’re (Raiders) calling it”….referring to his Tendinitis.

  • Blackholepriest

    I think what’s got people worried about Carr is what happened to his brother. Apples and oranges, that was an expansion team. David held the ball way too long and didn’t study the game. Derek seems to want to get the ball out and is much more mobile than his brother. They will have him checking it down much more than his brother……he just seems much smarter than his brother JMHO.

  • xraided

    “Schauby’s going to be fine,’’ Carr said. “There’s no doubt in my mind. He is fine. I’ve seen him every day, I’ve seen what he is doing every day in the weight room, the meeting room, the field. He’s just fine.’’

    translation: his elbow is fine but i’m still a better QB

  • JLofty

    The young man still has room to grow but he def has arm talent and youth….

  • Purvisman/Eternal Optimist

    I used to lament not being 18 anymore. Now 32 sounds great.

  • xraided

    hurts to say, but he may end up being more of an impact than Mackalicious

  • JLofty

    Dang I hear that. I peaked around 32…

  • Return

    I can’t wait to see McGloin go up against Houston

  • xraided

    his rollouts will be epic.

    thing is, he needs to sense that pressure quickly and be able to get out of there and extend the play.

    afterall, some of his best throws are ones while on the move

  • JLofty

    I was hoping we’d pick up (David) Carr a while back after watching him torch us vs. the Gnats. We were THIN at the position at that time….

  • inonewordraider

    i’ll buy anything you sell me positively about the kid. all I know is he has an arm and he’s mobile. the accuracy looks off so far of course it could be receivers running the wrong routes, and only time will tell his mental toughness

  • JOn Wooah

    what are your thoughts on Mack.. Should the Raiders have taken Mike Evans?? Imagine Carr to evans?

  • http://batman-news.com 559 Raider 87

    True he has no problem throwing on the run. The thing I liked about watching him in preseason is he hasnt been afraid to stay in the pocket. He has somethings to fine tune (taking zip off the ball and comfort under center), but once he does skys the limit

  • jumpnjiminy

    That explains a lot!

  • Return

    Mack was a reasonable pick. But only if they thought he was a better talent than Sio. Right now he isn’t. If they keep him at DE he is a guranteed bust. If they start moving him a round he will probably do ok. A mack truck? I have my doubts about that. He’s got to show me a lot more for me to even see the potential. He is way behind his contemporaries.

  • xraided

    yea so…. he’s having elbow soreness BEFORE the season… tendonitis doesn’t just go away either…as was evident from flynnstone last season…

    what makes DA think he’s not going to have this come up again going into the bye week? he’ll be burnt out by week 13…

    hopefully he proves us wrong…but i know about what he has and anything of a repetitive nature will come flaring right back up again.

    this will not end well for anybody if this guy starts. every armchair GM i know including 99.9% here know it, but our HC doesn’t….

    get Harbaugh in here next year when the whiners go 5-11 in their shiny new stadium .. he’ll know gold when he sees it with Derek Carr and get him the reps we need

  • r8ter4evr

    Rogers like

  • Auric Jarrel

    Just take Schaub out back and have him put down if Carr directs a touchdown drive against Seattle’s 2nd teamers.

  • xraided

    all true

    he needs a receiver to throw to though. that has to be priority #1 in the next draft. as jon says below… Carr to Evans would have been ridiculous…growing together… a guy that can catch at any range and a QB that can throw at any range… he’ll need it to survive in this league, the same way Dalton or IMO Stafford does with their all world #1 WR

    still like Mack a lot, but how much is the burning question.

  • Raider O

    You peaked? Are you sure? ;)

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com/ SilverandBlack666

    he was faking it

  • Purvisman/Eternal Optimist

    Not me. I’m still coming on.

  • Raider O

    Lol
    We noticed.

  • xraided

    i guess any QB needs a #1 receiver, i just described anyone

    i just believe so many QB’s have failed in OAK because we have lacked any consistency at WR since T.Brown ….that’s sad

  • TUCK YOU

    It’s been very frustrating having to endure the annoyance of watching Schaub play Football…everything he does is in SLOW MOTION, from him reading defenses, to escaping the pocket, mobility out of the pocket, his super slow motion delivery, and his floating ducks.

    How many QB’S have come and gone since Gannon? It’s time to find a staple at that position finally, hope Carr is the guy….even pre Gannon, Al played musical chairs with QB’s…remember Billy Joe Hobert, Jeff George, Wade Wilson, one epic fail after another….tired of historically putrid QB’S play, painful for a fan to have to endure so many scrubs at QB.

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com/ SilverandBlack666

    I just sent you an email Purv

  • r8dercain

    Yes we have been in QB h$ll

  • r8ter4evr

    Rotating coaches doesn’t help
    either look no further than dynasty teams to prove this point. From the 70′s 80′s 90′s and even Hoodie and Brady
    HC AND QB IS. #1 for success and the Lombardi

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com/ SilverandBlack666

    LMAO