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Raiders QB Matt Schaub and coach Dennis Allen believe sore elbow won’t change plan regarding Week 1 starter

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If all goes according to plan, a few days of rest will be the cure for what ails the right elbow of quarterback Matt Schaub and he’ll be in the starting lineup when the Raiders open the regular-season on Sept. 7 against the New York Jets.

Schaub missed his second straight day of practice Monday and although coach Dennis Allen hasn’t ruled him out of the preseason finale against Seattle, the likely scenario will have rookie Derek Carr getting the start and Schaub watching from the sidelines.

The Raiders host the Seahawks Thursday night at 7 p.m. at O.co Coliseum.

Unlike last season, when Terrelle Pryor was essentially auditioning for the starting job against Seattle while Matt Flynn rested a sore elbow, Carr’s work will be developmental unless Schaub’s elbow doesn’t respond to rest and treatment.

“We’re going to take him day by day and try to make sure he’s ready to go,’’ Allen said.

Asked if he expected to be ready to play in the opener, Schaub said, “Absolutely. One-hundred percent. Absolutely.’’

Schaub was non-specific about when his elbow began to bother him.

“It’s just something that’s kind of come up,’’ Schaub said. “It’s lingered a little bit. But it’s come up and we’re dealing with it. It’s something we want to take care of and get out of the way now before we start the regular season.’’

Neither Schaub nor Allen were interested in the coincidental nature of how the Raiders changed quarterbacks a year ago at this time when Flynn played poorly, missed the preseason finale with elbow tendonitis, and then lost his starting job to Terrelle Pryor.

“I don’t know what happened last year. I don’t know what happened with anybody who was here last year,’’ Schaub said. “I just know myself and what we’re going through right now to get ready for Week 1.’’

Said Allen: “I don’t see those two situations as the same.’’

Indeed, while the Raiders were beginning to distance themselves from Flynn and give credence to the possibility that Pryor could start, Allen is still publicly backing Schaub and answered in the affirmative when asked if he expected Schaub to start the opener.

Even with confirmation of elbow soreness, Allen doesn’t feel it’s played a role in some of Schaub’s difficulties in the passing game. Neither does Schaub.

“It hasn’t’ really affected it,’’ Schaub said. “It’s just bothersome. It’s just something I noticed and something I want to take care of and get out of the way.’’

Allen has maintained the Raiders’ struggles with the first team in the passing game were because of mistakes in all areas ranging from protection to route running to dropped passes and some missed throws.

With all that to work on, Schaub has missed two full days of practice.

“Obviously that’s something you’d like to have, but you’ve got to have a little bit of foresight in getting ready for the opening game, and that’s what’s the most critical,’’ Allen said.

Carr appeared as unconcerned as Schaub and Allen about the condition of Schaub’s right elbow.

“Schauby’s going to be fine,’’ Carr said. “There’s no doubt in my mind. He is fine. I’ve seen him every day, I’ve seen what he is doing every day in the weight room, the meeting room, the field. He’s just fine.’’

– The Raiders must trim eight players from the roster to get to the NFL-mandated 75 by 1 p.m. Tuesday. Four of those spots could be cleared by placing cornerback DJ Hayden and guard Lucas Nix on the physically unable to perform list and running back Kory Sheets (Achilles) and tight end Nick Kasa (ACL) on injured reserve.

Allen said, however, the Raiders would probably wait until Saturday’s deadline to make the call on Hayden.

– Linebacker Nick Roach (concussion), linebacker Sio Moore (neck strain) and tackle Menelik Watson (hip flexor) did not practice. Cornerbacks Chimdi Chekwa (knee) and Taiwan Jones (knee) are being targeted for Week 1. Tight end David Ausberry (knee) was moving well while working with the training staff.

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  • 1960AutumnWind

    http://mmqb.si.com/2013/08/20/texans-preview-deep-dive/

    Lots of talk about Schaub and arm strength and how Houston works around it. Mostly by very precise play action fakes. A precision that probably can’t be replicated in Oakland. The pieces to build around a QB with a weak arm coming out of a very specific system would be very hard to replicate. Bottom line from my perpective after watching Green Bay game is that Schaub is a bad fit for what Oakland has. A better fit is a more athletic QB that has better arm stenghth. The pieces around him are not good enough to make up for one dimensional nature of his short timing based play action offense.

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com/ SilverandBlack666

    This is a really good post with a lot of good information. This would explain why he looks lethargic at times.

  • r8ter4evr

    You meen like Andre Johnson ?

  • http://cosmicdanceband.com/ SilverandBlack666

    Whats even more frustrating is you come here to talk with other fans about this agony we go through every year….and some people act like we should be farting rainbows and sunshine all high on Unicorn ferry dust….Sorry I am not happy about another 4-12 season!!!

  • Blackholepriest

    Well I can’t disagree it’s just that was the first a e to come to mind…..but a McCown type who would put us in position to win games and make it somewhat entertaining.

  • AutumnThunderstorm

    My thoughts exactly.
    Jones, Streater, and Moore are good. Johnson is great.

  • Blackholepriest

    Schaub can be an excellent mentor for Carr. And he can do it from the sideline. None of these coaches has ever started a game in the NFL under center.

  • Zymurge

    Two out of three are good. Moore’s route running is poor and not at all a good fit for anything that has the word ‘precision’ in it.

    Jones is the closest thing to precision coming from Rodgers GB system. I have a feeling half the reason he was brought over was to teach the young’uns what it means to be a WR in a real NFL offense.

  • xraided

    yes, the sloth man just needed AJ.. a receiver that always gets open

    sadly we lack any of those kinds of things here in OAK

  • 1960AutumnWind

    And the TE and the high end running game of Foster and the highly developed zone blocking offense integrated with play action. It was like an ecosystem. Knock it out of balance and it all crumbles.

  • Zymurge

    Schaub’s success is predicated on a strong running game. Actually, almost all QBs need that to force defenses to play honest. The 80% changed and still jelling OL is behind on run blocking and that’s making the passing game look worse than it is.

    More of Jackson at LG and Howard adjusting to RG should help a lot here. It’s going to take some games working together to get there though. Expectations are a little lofty here. I can’t think of a single team that changed 4/5ths of their OL and came out dominant right off the bat.

  • Gershom Hyldreth

    I’m tired of being lied to…DA has a calm, confident demeanor…and acts like everything will work out with a confident smirk during his …but all that has resulted in is two 4-12 seasons, lies about who starts every week at qb, and nothing else. I understand lying to have a competitive edge against other teams…but these lies reak of Lane Kiffin and his aweful coaching…if ur coaching needs to little advantages like this (which don’t help), then got help us…

    I wish DA was just our defensive coordinator and we have a better offensive mind that was a bit more confident.

  • Morilla_00

    McGloin will rule the day. Take notice. Carr’s eyeliner will run and cause 2 INTs.

  • xraided

    we’ll see how good they really are come week 1. i’ll give them a pass for preseason. not many WR are doin up the town right now…
    but in my opinion, they will have to be extraordinary as a group to overcome being starred down the entire route and play jump ball with the lame ducks that are sure to fly with Schaub at the helm

  • scinfidel

    So Reggie has blown ~$15M and 2 draft picks the last 2 years on QB’s who can’t throw and should never see the top of the depth chart in the NFL and he still has his job? Can someone get me an interview in the NFL, I can’t do worse than this, I swear, it would be friggin impossible to be worse at scouting talent than RM.

  • xraided

    Moore is good for a few highlight reels throughout the year, and that’s about it. sad too because we all thought he was the next Timmy … including myself. now he’s reduced to a pouter and cry baby that disappears for months at a time during the regular season(and now even preseason)

    with that said, i’ll bet a better system will help him evolve… say when he joins up with the Seachunks after the season… i can see that marriage

  • Elliot

    Stop it. ..Carr is the future. ..

  • scinfidel

    Not sure why you’d be rooting against our 2nd round draft choice who is 22 years old, has a great arm is a hard worker and has shown to make good decisions so far? McGloin could be a good QB too and I’ll root for either one but come on man, this is silly

  • Ian

    Ive always regarded Schaub as a career backup who luckboxed himself into a fortunate situation in Houston. Im sure he can be a good mentor from anywhere on the field, but I say put Carr or Mcgloin in. Those are the two who deserve it more.

  • xraided

    there’s A LOT of GM’s in the league that waste money on crappy QB’s… i don’t need to list them

    ours his hardily the worst of those deals either… esp since we aren’t on the hook for multiple seasons… it’s about drafting and Carr looks promising. that’s all i care about reggie doing at this current time

    and besides, even if a great QB came on the market, which ones would actually choose Oakland? (that’s a lot thanks to Al in his later years)

    it takes a while to get a good to great QB while rebuilding… any GM would struggle

  • r8ter4evr

    What I said yesterday
    If he was with Brady all his career he would probably be a all pro or at least a consistent 8-12 TD guy with 1000 yd seasons

  • inonewordraider

    not sure why you’d be rooting against our starter schaub or our gm reggie, former raider lb, and our coach da. RAIDER NATION

  • scinfidel

    If you are going to judge RM by his drafting, he should have been fired last year. We have, maybe, 2 players from his first two drafts and neither of them would make many of the other NFL rosters. RM has been as bad if not worse than Matt Millen as a GM.

  • RaiderCDE

    Schaub starts first 4 games. If by the bye week he’s stinking it up, the elbow will be an easy excuse to sit him and let McGloin get the next 4 and if it’s still not working let Carr play the season out.

  • scinfidel

    Not sure why you’d be rooting for another 4-12 season, poor quarterback play or poor coaching. Raider Nation not Loser Nation

  • Dakota

    Pointing out reality is not rooting against.

  • Ian

    great reply, took the words out my mouth. Theres a reason why there are only a few franchise QB’s in this league, its not exactly easy to find one. Frankly I don’t care if Reggie blew 30 mil and 5 draft picks trying to find one…just as long as we find one. The jury is still out on Carr, but it seems like Carr has a lot of promise.

  • inonewordraider

    we’re 0 and 0 last I checked

  • xraided

    disagreed

    you want to count a draft in which he had only a 3rd round supplemental pick and the next year enduring the worst in history draft where almost NO TEAM has actual NFL starters in the first 100 picks?

    not me…

    now if we don’t have a pro bowler and a few good starters from this last draft, i will be in the same boat as you

  • r8ter4evr

    Samardjzia is fricken dealing tonight
    Just clocked 96 on pitch. # 100

  • scinfidel

    Nah, Schaub is done before he starts.. Last season wasn’t an aberration, it’s who he is, which is why he can’t make the 15 yard out throw to save his life and his repertoire consists of dump offs and short outs and slants.

  • RaiderCDE

    10 K’s too

  • Dakota

    He would be the raiders best WR too…

  • xraided

    does SEA give two shts about the Flynn contract? well, they didn’t before they won a ring last year and they now you can ask them and the fans and they’ll say Fred Flynn who?

    it”s not your fuggin money people! and we have oooooooodles of cap space! get ovah it

  • DJ Johnny

    STILL blaming Al. No. They’ve had 3 years to at least get the organization headed in the direction of respectability. As far as esteem in the media and among players the situation is actually worse now than when Al was alive.

    No way do players still think Al Davis is still alive and running things in Oakland. If they don’t wanna come here it has nothing to do with Al Davis…and everything to do with this new regime and the direction they perceive it headed in.

  • r8ter4evr

    Next Bo ?

  • scinfidel

    Are you being serious? Are you calling last years draft “worst in history”? How many of RM’s previous 2 draft are contributing right now? I won’t count this year as we won’t know for a bit but RM’s first 2 years at the helm have been a disaster.

    Now combine that with his decision on our free-agents, personnel and coaching and you are still in his corner? You must be on the payroll… RM might be a good guy but he’s not an NFL GM. He needs to go back to stable org and plug in at some middle management job where he can’t do too much damage.

  • RaiderCDE

    Raiders offensive MVP will be MJD. He’s got one great year left in him looks in great shape. Defensive MVP will be Mack and be in top 3 defensive rookies in the league. Special teams MVP will be a tie b/w King and Carrie who will take a few to the house.

  • RaiderCDE

    whoops…

  • Carl weathers

    Our oline is built to run. Regardless of who’s QB we need to run to be succesful. I hope Carr impresses and they don’t hesitate to turn to him if shaub starts throwin touchdowns the opposite way.

  • xraided

    3 years being cap strapped with players that aren’t on the team anymore?

    how about 10 years of horrible drafting that has set the team back about as long?

    it takes a few years for NORMAL ORGANIZATIONS to rebuild…how long did you realistically expect for this thing to take with the state Al left it in

    AL IS THE RAIDERS … don’t get me wrong. he has made this team and this league what it is today…but don’t get it twisted. he was out of sorts for over a decade and it left this organization without a future plan

  • scinfidel

    Yeah and we’ve looked great in preseason.. No improvement in any area of our team play. Our D has looked like swiss cheese and our starting QB has one pass in 3 games over 10 yards.

  • inonewordraider

    every “expert” gave him an a on the draft. veldheer and Houston in preseason are looking like they were overpaid, time will tell of course. Woodley Tuck and Smith are looking like bargains and these were his biggest acquisitions, Brown looking suspect yes. but you want him fired and starting from scratch…..I want a guy that can eye talent as a gm, regardless of the past he’s nailing it this year

  • RaiderCDE

    Play calling needs to be creative – our running plays have been very lame so far except for the sweep to Streater.

  • Dakota

    I am sure Ron wolf would give mark a a glowing reccomendation for whomever is the next man in the way of wolf’s son in the packer org.

  • r8ter4evr

    My though too
    Figures the ex A ‘s comes back to get us
    When Billy dealt him I didn’t like seeing the slugger go

  • xraided

    coaches did NOT want to play in Oakland. that’s no secret either. they saw what happened to the “ledendary” rat face, Norv, Kiffin and so on and so forth. he didn’t even know Tom Cables name in his intro interview as the new HC… you can’t tell me anyone would want to work for someone like that…

  • Dakota

    Three years….newsflash, we had a historical amount of cap space this year.

  • r8ter4evr

    Still
    Sticking by my prediction
    MJD. = 1200 Yds

  • DJ Johnny

    The record of the past two seasons is what it is…but players would be attracted to an org that looks like the arrow is pointed up and that we are NOW doing the right things. If they are still avoiding Oakland (as everyone says) it shows they don’t trust the CURRENT management and/or they feel the org is going nowhere.