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Live chat at 1 .m. today: Raiders possibilities in Los Angeles

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Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis, left, shakes hands with St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke, right, as Pittsburgh Steelers president Art Rooney II looks on after an NFL owners meeting Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2016, in Houston. The owners voted to allow the Rams to move to a new stadium just outside Los Angeles, and the San Diego Chargers will have an option to share the facility. (AP Photo/Pat Sullivan)

Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis, left, shakes hands with St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke, right, as Pittsburgh Steelers president Art Rooney II looks on after an NFL owners meeting Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2016, in Houston. The owners voted to allow the Rams to move to a new stadium just outside Los Angeles, and the San Diego Chargers will have an option to share the facility. (AP Photo/Pat Sullivan)

Join Vincent Bonsignore of our sister paper the Los Angeles Daily News for a live chat Tuesday at 1 p.m. on the Raiders, Rams and Chargers situation in Los Angeles.

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  • 1960AutumnWind

    That’s why the just sell it to a billionaire idea doesn’t fly. When you start looking at this as a viable business and what would taske you look at some of the posts and just shake your head. It’s literally delusional what some people think is possible.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Player costs over 20 years 3 billion although most/all of that can be covered by TV revenue.

  • jesusraiderjim

    So I agree that the A’s have thrown a major wrench in the stadium plans and that if they moved that would make things esasier for the Raiders. But we can’t even get one stadium deal accompanied how are we going to get two stadiums done? Not going to happen.

  • Guest123

    It’s a bad situation, maybe the worst for any NFL owner. But if Mark counts his blessings (as we all should), he’s still been operating in the black these past 4 years. He’s still making a net personal profit in the millions each year. It’s not like he’s watching his personal fortune whither and disappear. It’s mainly an ego issue. He’s swinging the smallest bat. He gets to sit at the little kids table when the NFL owners get together. But the business model is still sustainable if not decaying. He’s 60 now, a time when a lot of folks dream of retiring. He’s got enough money to feed his cheapskate lifestyle. It’s about pride and ego.

  • RAY NJ

    Haircuts, pedicures, foot warmers…WTF! What happened to just watching football? If you want all that stuff, stay home. Put a good product on the field and they’ll show up.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    We’ve been through this before these numbers don’t work. PSLs have failed in recent times, naming right not as big as you think and who is the investor? Davis family can not afford 300 million at this point. This is why they end up moving or stuck in OCo indefinitely. A new owner would not sink that kind of capital into this as well because of risk and low ROI.

    Also this assumes there is even a site to build on.

  • RAY NJ

    PSLs are definite, that dam already broke.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Stuck at OCo is better than trying to build in Oakland….. However he is making money by staying at Cap min. and cost containment. I do not want Raiders to be a moneyball NFL team long-term.

  • Another day on earth, another day of the NFL squeezing Mark till he screams uncle.
    We need a new contest. The when will Mark scream uncle contest.
    Old druggies can be tough, i bet he holds out for at least two more years at the Oco.

  • nolarick

    Current trajectory has the Raiders playing in the Suberbowl in two years. Should that occur, all bets are off and MD may be able to punch his own ticket.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Alamo dome is at ground ready in meantime

  • Cool your jets. This is only year 5 of ten and then

  • Guest123

    none of us do. but put yourself in Mark’s shoes. you could field a moneyball team year in and year out, put up with the whining fanbase, throw them a few bones and draft a Cooper and Mack every so often just to placate the fanbase that you’re trying to win. heck the league benefits from a business model that we are competitive. but Mark is not going to throw his rent money at winning a championship. if you can’t see his agenda by now, you have blinders on. Mark wants to win….with other people’s money. if he can’t get OPM, then he’s going to continue to feed off the table scraps of a $10 billion a year business.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    And we will cycle from 3-13 to 9-7 and back again…. Who wants that? Oh wait as long as I can get cheap tickets and tail gate, no problem.

  • nolarick

    I think JPP should be on the short list too. He still has 8.5 fingers, but importantly, his burst is as good as it ever was. Truck, Meat & Potatoes and JPP as a front 4 is legitimately terrifying for any opposing OC in the league.

  • Gdog

    I think part of it is he wants to do things his father didn’t or couldn’t.

    Daddy-issues yet.

    His entire business model is built around it if you think about it.

    Hoarding cap space. Hiring conservative never throw deep coaches. Plodding around in free agency. Never trade UP, always trade down. Even blitz-heavy defenses (The only part I like about this.)

    Which is why I think we are stuck with Mumbles for another 6 years.

  • Guest123

    this is the ugly truth. The reality we live in. It’s a stalemate. neither side wants to give in. cheap tickets for an inferior product and some languishing hope.

  • Sir Raider Duck, OMS

    Anyone else think Matt Artz is flushing this site down the toilet?

  • Of course more games.
    It is an arena, does nobody any good to sit empty.

  • nolarick

    I’ve been saying this since the first rumblings of the “MD must sell” movement began. There is no valid reason for MD to sell any part of the team. In fact, he’d be silly not to attempt to use the perceived dip in value to repurchase shares of the franchise. MD has an extremely loyal fan base, NFL revenue sharing, and low overhead costs which puts time on his side.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    That’s why if the City won’t help this team needs to move. Note I said if City won’t help. I prefer a viable Oakland outcome but just does not seem possible.

  • Guest123

    Al operated the franchise like a tightrope walker over the grand canyon…with nerves of steel. He financially was willing to risk everything for a championship. Mark inherited it and promptly added the best safety nets money could buy. He’s never taking a risk. That’s why Reggie is here and the goal is to be mediocre.

  • You are missing the point clearly.
    Somebody investing in this project is not owning the entire team, would be a minority owner.
    That is not prestigious at all. Nobody even knows who the Raiders minority owners are, and they own 53% of the team.

  • Myopinion

    I can see that it’s way more real for people who live there, go to games. I’d be pi**** too. And they should stay in Oakland.
    But since I don’t have that losing my team. Its hard not to see the reality of this is a business. And Mark and the raiders aren’t competing with us. He’s competing with super billionaires. Can’t do that on emotion only.

  • Gdog

    Its pretty obvious actually. Thats why reading above about us trading up in the first round makes me chuckle. He is more likely to trade out of the first round entirely.

  • Guest123

    But the problem is no rich investor is going to move them to a market that is not LA. Unless the NFL sweetens the deal, but I doubt that’s going to happen. I think Mark is stuck with Oakland and Oakland is stuck with Mark. And they will celebrate anniversaries of mediocrity into perpetuity unless they get super lucky.

  • Guest123

    it’s been in the toilet for years.

  • Sir Raider Duck, OMS

    But the Artz posts are a new low. Jerry Mac, Cork, and Durkin would all supply analysis of some quote or article. Artz just copies and pastes something he read online with maybe a sentence of his own if we’re lucky.

  • nolarick

    I think your perception of MD’s risk tolerance is a bit overstated. The truth is that MD did the smartest thing that he could have under the circumstances – he recognized his current limitations, understood that he, and the organization under his leadership, was going to make many mistakes on the way to competence, and put systems into place to allow for him to learn on the job while minimizing the impact that any of his mistakes could make. While his approach was certainly conservative, it has arguably lead to the most competitive and hopeful Raiders team in over a decade. The next couple of years will really tell the tale.

  • Gdog

    We are basically Detroit fans from here on out, IMO. We need a SB consigliere with the pieces we have in place (Mack, Carr, and Cooper.) Someone willing to risk it all for a quick championship… make big swings. Instead we have the deconstuction consigliere… 7-9 to 10-6. An occasional playoff win once in awhile.
    Hope for very few blowouts. Maybe one bad year to snag a top 10 pick once in awhile.

    Like Detroit.

  • Guest123

    So then if the team is on the come up, why does Mark spend so much passion and energy on the stadium issue? He acts like the stadium is an affront to his manhood and overall embarrassment to his family name. Why is there no fall back plan C where he shrugs his shoulders and digs in and lives with what he’s got. Maybe make some minor improvements, a lick and promise. And learn to be happy with what he’s got?

  • nolarick

    The real problem is the willingness of any municipality to fund any stadium for an NFL franchise. The NFL is the golden goose, but that’s not enough for the 32 owners. They want corporate welfare or they’re going to take their ball and go elsewhere. The NFL’s inherent greed is leading to the purported Raider downfall in Oakland.

  • Gdog

    Losing and being a laughing stock in the NFL does have its benefits (three top 5 picks.)

  • Guest123

    Like Detroit is really an outyear goal. We have two winning streaks over the past 4 years. Each of them barely qualify as “win streaks” (2 games)

  • nolarick

    I don’t share your gloomy outlook.

  • nolarick

    A winning streak starts at three in a row.

  • Guest123

    then by that definition we don’t know what a win streak is.

  • nolarick

    You nailed it in your earlier post. Ego. This is all a penis measuring contest. And MD’s ego just took a big hit last week.

  • Gdog

    Its called reality. I know I know.. it drives everyone here crazy but a few (like Guest and 1960)

    And Carr actually reminds me a LOT of Stafford. Just enough good games to keep him around. Too many blunders to win it all.

  • nolarick

    Agreed. Did either Hue or Cable have a winning streak?

  • Guest123

    The NFL has an end-game moment out in the future. I don’t think the game will exist toward the end of this century. It has no sustainable business model that does not feed off the city municipalities and extended PSL’s. It’s a Ponzi scheme and the cards at the base are going to get cut out from under the underside one day. And then the NFL will close shop and the owners will cash out their billions. Sorry fans.

  • Guest123

    Hue had a 3 game win streak in the only year he was HC.

  • nolarick

    My gut says you’re right about DC, but again, time will tell. It’s too easy for us to be impatient because of the last 13 years of flaming dog p00. I hope they prove us all wrong.

  • nolarick

    Is that the only 3+ game winning streak that we’ve had since 2002?

  • Guest123

    Probably, I haven’t checked. But gun to my head I’d say yes.

  • Gdog

    This I disagree with. Unless technology of helmets never improves to eliminate concussions.

    Which seems nearly impossible to fathom.

    The USA is NFL addicted for the long haul.

  • nolarick

    As long as people watch, the league will exist. Going forward, it will be interesting to see how far the revenue model moves from butts in seats. The league already makes the bulk of its money from TV deals and licencing, don’t they?

  • nolarick

    I feel sick.

  • Gdog

    Easily. I think.

  • nolarick

    You heard it here first. I reserve all rights to retract my optimistic statements should the Raiders go back into the tank.