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	<title>Comments on: Clayton Valley HS charter public hearing brings throngs of supporters</title>
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		<title>By: Doctor J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the most vindictive, venemous, scare tactic I have ever seen in writing in MDUSD -- did the Board authorize this ?  I would love to hear each board member stand up and disassociate themselves from these purported district policies.  Otherwise, I guess we can conclude that at least 3 of them consented to it, again without a public meeting, which would be another example of a Brown Act violation.  I would think that this would just cement all the teachers together rather than pull them apart.  Read this http://www.mdusd.org/NewsRoom/Pages/ClaytonValleyCharterUpdate.aspx
Who wrote it ? Is there any doubt that the district&#039;s request for an informational meeting with the Charter organizers was anything but a ruse to divide and conquer the staff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most vindictive, venemous, scare tactic I have ever seen in writing in MDUSD &#8212; did the Board authorize this ?  I would love to hear each board member stand up and disassociate themselves from these purported district policies.  Otherwise, I guess we can conclude that at least 3 of them consented to it, again without a public meeting, which would be another example of a Brown Act violation.  I would think that this would just cement all the teachers together rather than pull them apart.  Read this <a href="http://www.mdusd.org/NewsRoom/Pages/ClaytonValleyCharterUpdate.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.mdusd.org/NewsRoom/Pages/ClaytonValleyCharterUpdate.aspx</a><br />
Who wrote it ? Is there any doubt that the district&#8217;s request for an informational meeting with the Charter organizers was anything but a ruse to divide and conquer the staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just signed up to attend CVHS as a student...and I gotta say, I hope the quality of teaching in CVHS is NOTHING like the physical condition of the school. This place (cvhs) looks like a school straight out of the 60&#039;s... Its kinda funny, and a little embarassing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just signed up to attend CVHS as a student&#8230;and I gotta say, I hope the quality of teaching in CVHS is NOTHING like the physical condition of the school. This place (cvhs) looks like a school straight out of the 60&#8242;s&#8230; Its kinda funny, and a little embarassing.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Funny...
Nothing about this is fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Funny&#8230;<br />
Nothing about this is fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent&#039;s position. To &quot;attack a straw man&quot; is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the &quot;straw man&quot;), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Am I missing something? Did I misrepresent your position because it seemed clear to me? The &quot;griping&quot; that you refer to contains much more policy and issue driven information than the comments (whining) that you seem to post.  Why do you care how I (or anyone on this blog) chooses to affect change.  I don&#039;t tell you what to do, why are you so compelled to comment on what I do? Are you taking it personally?  Are the concerns listed on this blog site directed at you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent&#8217;s position. To &#8220;attack a straw man&#8221; is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the &#8220;straw man&#8221;), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Am I missing something? Did I misrepresent your position because it seemed clear to me? The &#8220;griping&#8221; that you refer to contains much more policy and issue driven information than the comments (whining) that you seem to post.  Why do you care how I (or anyone on this blog) chooses to affect change.  I don&#8217;t tell you what to do, why are you so compelled to comment on what I do? Are you taking it personally?  Are the concerns listed on this blog site directed at you?</p>
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		<title>By: Funny, Isn't It?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny, Isn't It?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linda, again with the strawman!  Charter schools absolutely get to choose who attends and who does not.  Look at Eagle Peak.  Look at Monte Gardens and the Sequoias.  I work at a school that has had kids &quot;returned&quot; to us because they do not &quot;fit in&quot; and have been asked to leave.  

Maybe being on the board is not the way to best effect change.  But the whiners here seems to know so damn much...why not run for the Board?  They are certainly not satisfied with the current regime.  They&#039;ve not been successful making change where they are.  Ah, putting their asses where their mouths are isn&#039;t so appealing, apparently.  Griping from the sidelines is much more fun!

All I see is the &quot;separate but equal&quot; situation that&#039;s being set up with this charter school.  It was disgusting in the South, and I&#039;d hoped we&#039;d know better by now.  Some things never change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda, again with the strawman!  Charter schools absolutely get to choose who attends and who does not.  Look at Eagle Peak.  Look at Monte Gardens and the Sequoias.  I work at a school that has had kids &#8220;returned&#8221; to us because they do not &#8220;fit in&#8221; and have been asked to leave.  </p>
<p>Maybe being on the board is not the way to best effect change.  But the whiners here seems to know so damn much&#8230;why not run for the Board?  They are certainly not satisfied with the current regime.  They&#8217;ve not been successful making change where they are.  Ah, putting their asses where their mouths are isn&#8217;t so appealing, apparently.  Griping from the sidelines is much more fun!</p>
<p>All I see is the &#8220;separate but equal&#8221; situation that&#8217;s being set up with this charter school.  It was disgusting in the South, and I&#8217;d hoped we&#8217;d know better by now.  Some things never change.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or that Dr. J doesn&#039;t live in the district ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or that Dr. J doesn&#8217;t live in the district &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To funny isn&#039;t it... I think what Dr J meant... Well it was a not so transparent way of reminding us she/he is an employee of the district and can not run for the board.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To funny isn&#8217;t it&#8230; I think what Dr J meant&#8230; Well it was a not so transparent way of reminding us she/he is an employee of the district and can not run for the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny Isn&#039;t It -
Of course things should improve everywhere!! There isn&#039;t one person I know who doesn&#039;t believe that. But that is not the only criteria for change.

In addition, being a Board member is NOT the only way to affect change. There are many people trying to make things better for the children in this District who are not Board members.

I do not live in the CV attendance area so your comments about &quot;ensuring your own child&#039;s education&quot; do not apply. 

The charter school is still a public school and does not get to choose who it turns away. And I don&#039;t for a second expect a slew of schools to follow the charter path.  I would hope that the additional competition would bring about innovative ideas that could be incorporated into the current district system. A little competition goes a long way.

I find the victim behavior in this District sickening and the leap to call entire schools and their attendance areas elitist shameful and tiring. 

Let me see if I understand correctly....
Lets not have any schools that work because not all schools work.  You are elitist if your child attends a successful school. You can only discuss education issues if you are willing to run for the Board. Does that sum it up?  

Hmmmmm??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny Isn&#8217;t It -<br />
Of course things should improve everywhere!! There isn&#8217;t one person I know who doesn&#8217;t believe that. But that is not the only criteria for change.</p>
<p>In addition, being a Board member is NOT the only way to affect change. There are many people trying to make things better for the children in this District who are not Board members.</p>
<p>I do not live in the CV attendance area so your comments about &#8220;ensuring your own child&#8217;s education&#8221; do not apply. </p>
<p>The charter school is still a public school and does not get to choose who it turns away. And I don&#8217;t for a second expect a slew of schools to follow the charter path.  I would hope that the additional competition would bring about innovative ideas that could be incorporated into the current district system. A little competition goes a long way.</p>
<p>I find the victim behavior in this District sickening and the leap to call entire schools and their attendance areas elitist shameful and tiring. </p>
<p>Let me see if I understand correctly&#8230;.<br />
Lets not have any schools that work because not all schools work.  You are elitist if your child attends a successful school. You can only discuss education issues if you are willing to run for the Board. Does that sum it up?  </p>
<p>Hmmmmm??</p>
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		<title>By: Funny, Isn't It?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funny, Isn't It?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LindaL, I certainly do not believe what you state: &quot;If your argument is that things should not improve at CV if it can’t improve anywhere, then there is nothing I can say to you because that logic truly hurts children.&quot;  That&#039;s a strawman argument.  

Things should improve EVERYWHERE, not just one select school.  

There are people who seem to know much more than any current board member - why aren&#039;t those people running for board positions?  I don&#039;t buy the line that &quot;Not all of us qualify for running for the Board.&quot;  Seems like being over 18 and breathing qualifies you...it&#039;s clear there&#039;s no IQ test, based on current membership.

The board will never change unless those who seem to know it all actually get elected.  Circling the wagons to ensure your own child&#039;s education smacks of snobbery.  Thinking it will lead to every school going charter is ridiculous.

This charter high school will be seen just as Monte Gardens, Sequoia Elementary and Sequoia Middle are seen now - bastions of elitist brats and entitled parents, who turn up their noses at any other school and other students.

While you say that all in the attendance area can attend, you can bet your bottom dollar that the behavior problems and special ed kids (those who cost the most) will be weeded out...and where will those kids end up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LindaL, I certainly do not believe what you state: &#8220;If your argument is that things should not improve at CV if it can’t improve anywhere, then there is nothing I can say to you because that logic truly hurts children.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a strawman argument.  </p>
<p>Things should improve EVERYWHERE, not just one select school.  </p>
<p>There are people who seem to know much more than any current board member &#8211; why aren&#8217;t those people running for board positions?  I don&#8217;t buy the line that &#8220;Not all of us qualify for running for the Board.&#8221;  Seems like being over 18 and breathing qualifies you&#8230;it&#8217;s clear there&#8217;s no IQ test, based on current membership.</p>
<p>The board will never change unless those who seem to know it all actually get elected.  Circling the wagons to ensure your own child&#8217;s education smacks of snobbery.  Thinking it will lead to every school going charter is ridiculous.</p>
<p>This charter high school will be seen just as Monte Gardens, Sequoia Elementary and Sequoia Middle are seen now &#8211; bastions of elitist brats and entitled parents, who turn up their noses at any other school and other students.</p>
<p>While you say that all in the attendance area can attend, you can bet your bottom dollar that the behavior problems and special ed kids (those who cost the most) will be weeded out&#8230;and where will those kids end up?</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa Harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since appointments have not all been made at the same time, I am reporting them as they are announced. 
At the June 14 meeting, the board appointed Jose Espinosa vice principal of Clayton Valley HS: http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2011/06/30/mdusd-internal-administrative-transfers-revealed/.
At the May 24 meeting, the board appointed Sue Brother principal of CVHS: http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2011/06/23/mt-diablo-district-administrative-shuffle-underway/
I don&#039;t believe any other CVHS appointments have been announced at a board meeting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since appointments have not all been made at the same time, I am reporting them as they are announced.<br />
At the June 14 meeting, the board appointed Jose Espinosa vice principal of Clayton Valley HS: <a href="http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2011/06/30/mdusd-internal-administrative-transfers-revealed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2011/06/30/mdusd-internal-administrative-transfers-revealed/</a>.<br />
At the May 24 meeting, the board appointed Sue Brother principal of CVHS: <a href="http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2011/06/23/mt-diablo-district-administrative-shuffle-underway/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibabuzz.com/onassignment/2011/06/23/mt-diablo-district-administrative-shuffle-underway/</a><br />
I don&#8217;t believe any other CVHS appointments have been announced at a board meeting.</p>
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