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		<title>By: WD</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2006/11/30/should-woman-in-lafayette-cross-hubbub-face-arrest/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>WD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;people who are homeless are picked up and put in jail or, at the least, cited for &quot;Trespassing.&quot;

Ms. Prather, please learn the law (and its proper application) before you type. Yes, you&#039;re right, trespassing (PC 602) is a charge that property owners, or those with standing, use to remove unwanted people from their property or business. HOWEVER, those same individuals need to make a citizen&#039;s arrest (AKA Private Persons Arrest) of the person that is trespassing.

For example, a homeless person can not be simply taken to jail for being on one&#039;s property as you alleged in your first posting. First, the owner or representative would need to command the person to leave and then that person would need to refuse to leave. Secondly, that owner or rep would need to place the offender under citizen&#039;s arrest. A police officer while driving through your neighborhood can&#039;t demand someone get off your driveway when you aren&#039;t home. Unless that officer knows that particular individual has been warned or cited for trespassing on your property, he/she is powerless to make them leave.

I&#039;ll say it again. Unless there is a victim that is willing to press charges on a misdemeanor case, there is technically no crime.

PLEASE stop making blanket statements that allege things that aren&#039;t true. Because homeless persons are in jail doesn&#039;t mean they were picked up just for being homeless. It&#039;s not against the law to be homeless. They&#039;re in jail because either the police saw them commit a crime in which the People of the State of California was the victim OR there was an actual victim that pressed charges if it was a misdemeanor.  If it was a felony the police, with probable cause, can make an arrest whether or not the victim desires prosecution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;people who are homeless are picked up and put in jail or, at the least, cited for &#8220;Trespassing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ms. Prather, please learn the law (and its proper application) before you type. Yes, you&#8217;re right, trespassing (PC 602) is a charge that property owners, or those with standing, use to remove unwanted people from their property or business. HOWEVER, those same individuals need to make a citizen&#8217;s arrest (AKA Private Persons Arrest) of the person that is trespassing.</p>
<p>For example, a homeless person can not be simply taken to jail for being on one&#8217;s property as you alleged in your first posting. First, the owner or representative would need to command the person to leave and then that person would need to refuse to leave. Secondly, that owner or rep would need to place the offender under citizen&#8217;s arrest. A police officer while driving through your neighborhood can&#8217;t demand someone get off your driveway when you aren&#8217;t home. Unless that officer knows that particular individual has been warned or cited for trespassing on your property, he/she is powerless to make them leave.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say it again. Unless there is a victim that is willing to press charges on a misdemeanor case, there is technically no crime.</p>
<p>PLEASE stop making blanket statements that allege things that aren&#8217;t true. Because homeless persons are in jail doesn&#8217;t mean they were picked up just for being homeless. It&#8217;s not against the law to be homeless. They&#8217;re in jail because either the police saw them commit a crime in which the People of the State of California was the victim OR there was an actual victim that pressed charges if it was a misdemeanor.  If it was a felony the police, with probable cause, can make an arrest whether or not the victim desires prosecution.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go f**k yourself and your approval]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go f**k yourself and your approval</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Marine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Marine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Marine is brainwashed. These boys and girls are all nuts. They send my 13 year old recruitment notices and when I confronted them they called me a terrorist and said that the terrorists are all around us. They are only in Rummy&#039;s head and it spreads throughout the armed forces. When I asked them to cease and desist they called me a threat.
I guess we&#039;re back in the UK again. Do you want to sail on the Nina or Pinta?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Marine is brainwashed. These boys and girls are all nuts. They send my 13 year old recruitment notices and when I confronted them they called me a terrorist and said that the terrorists are all around us. They are only in Rummy&#8217;s head and it spreads throughout the armed forces. When I asked them to cease and desist they called me a threat.<br />
I guess we&#8217;re back in the UK again. Do you want to sail on the Nina or Pinta?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 08:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to feel sorry for Ms. Marine. She is brainwashed. Most of them are. They send my 13 year old daughter recruitment notices. When I confronted the brainwashed recruiter he called me a terrorist...go figure these boys and girls are sick!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to feel sorry for Ms. Marine. She is brainwashed. Most of them are. They send my 13 year old daughter recruitment notices. When I confronted the brainwashed recruiter he called me a terrorist&#8230;go figure these boys and girls are sick!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Prather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Prather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WD --- people who are homeless are picked up and put in jail or, at the least, cited for &quot;Trespassing.&quot; It happens even when there is no vandalism involved. Trespassing is the charge business owners and others use to have Police remove homeless people from their property.  Call any police department to check that out. It is a common charge. And WD - at least I have the courage of my convictions to sign my name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WD &#8212; people who are homeless are picked up and put in jail or, at the least, cited for &#8220;Trespassing.&#8221; It happens even when there is no vandalism involved. Trespassing is the charge business owners and others use to have Police remove homeless people from their property.  Call any police department to check that out. It is a common charge. And WD &#8211; at least I have the courage of my convictions to sign my name.</p>
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		<title>By: WD</title>
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		<dc:creator>WD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If Jean Bonodio smashed up a Starbucks, she would be arrested first, and the owner of the Starbucks contacted second.&quot;

First of all, if ANYONE &quot;smashed up a Starbucks&quot; it would either happen while the employees are there or after hours in which case they would, assuming the offender was caught, sign a citizen&#039;s arrest and the offender would be cited for the misdemeanor offense or taken to jail for the felony (without a C/A depending on dollar loss).

If it happens in the officer&#039;s presence the offender would be cited and released (or taken to jail) for the misdemeanor or taken to jail for the felony.

What no one seems to understand is that the act in question did not happen in front of a police officer AND the &quot;victim&quot; has not come forward to press charges. So, like it or not, NOTHING is going to happen. Get over it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Jean Bonodio smashed up a Starbucks, she would be arrested first, and the owner of the Starbucks contacted second.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, if ANYONE &#8220;smashed up a Starbucks&#8221; it would either happen while the employees are there or after hours in which case they would, assuming the offender was caught, sign a citizen&#8217;s arrest and the offender would be cited for the misdemeanor offense or taken to jail for the felony (without a C/A depending on dollar loss).</p>
<p>If it happens in the officer&#8217;s presence the offender would be cited and released (or taken to jail) for the misdemeanor or taken to jail for the felony.</p>
<p>What no one seems to understand is that the act in question did not happen in front of a police officer AND the &#8220;victim&#8221; has not come forward to press charges. So, like it or not, NOTHING is going to happen. Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Vorderbrueggen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Vorderbrueggen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My sincerest apologies for taking so long to post these comments.  My blogging software failed to notify me of your posts, which triggers me to click the little boxes and put them up on the site.
(I&#039;ll be sending an e-mail to somebody about that!)

As one point of clarification from the posts, Ms. Bonodio publicly stated at the Lafayette council meeting that she is a former Marine. The original newspaper stories identified her as a Marine, and I&#039;m unclear precisely how that happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sincerest apologies for taking so long to post these comments.  My blogging software failed to notify me of your posts, which triggers me to click the little boxes and put them up on the site.<br />
(I&#8217;ll be sending an e-mail to somebody about that!)</p>
<p>As one point of clarification from the posts, Ms. Bonodio publicly stated at the Lafayette council meeting that she is a former Marine. The original newspaper stories identified her as a Marine, and I&#8217;m unclear precisely how that happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Vorderbrueggen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Vorderbrueggen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My sincerest apologies for taking so long to post these comments.  My blogging software failed to notify me of your posts, which triggers me to click the little boxes and put them up on the site.
(I&#039;ll be sending an e-mail to somebody about that!)

As one point of clarification from the posts, Ms. Bonodio publicly stated at the Lafayette council meeting that she is a former Marine. The original newspaper stories identified her as a Marine, and I&#039;m unclear precisely how that happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sincerest apologies for taking so long to post these comments.  My blogging software failed to notify me of your posts, which triggers me to click the little boxes and put them up on the site.<br />
(I&#8217;ll be sending an e-mail to somebody about that!)</p>
<p>As one point of clarification from the posts, Ms. Bonodio publicly stated at the Lafayette council meeting that she is a former Marine. The original newspaper stories identified her as a Marine, and I&#8217;m unclear precisely how that happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Jean Bonodio smashed up a Starbucks, she would be arrested first, and the owner of the Starbucks contacted second.  If she tore down the sign on a cemetary, which is, after all, a business, she would be arrested and the owner notified.

The purpose of the police in America is to protect private property.  Doesn&#039;t Chief Fisher know that?  I forgot, the rules are different if the destroyer is a wealthy white Republican and the property being destroyed tells a truth our government would rather we didn&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jean Bonodio smashed up a Starbucks, she would be arrested first, and the owner of the Starbucks contacted second.  If she tore down the sign on a cemetary, which is, after all, a business, she would be arrested and the owner notified.</p>
<p>The purpose of the police in America is to protect private property.  Doesn&#8217;t Chief Fisher know that?  I forgot, the rules are different if the destroyer is a wealthy white Republican and the property being destroyed tells a truth our government would rather we didn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Jean Bonodio smashed up a Starbucks, she would be arrested first, and the owner of the Starbucks contacted second.  If she tore down the sign on a cemetary, which is, after all, a business, she would be arrested and the owner notified.

The purpose of the police in America is to protect private property.  Doesn&#039;t Chief Fisher know that?  I forgot, the rules are different if the destroyer is a wealthy white Republican and the property being destroyed tells a truth our government would rather we didn&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jean Bonodio smashed up a Starbucks, she would be arrested first, and the owner of the Starbucks contacted second.  If she tore down the sign on a cemetary, which is, after all, a business, she would be arrested and the owner notified.</p>
<p>The purpose of the police in America is to protect private property.  Doesn&#8217;t Chief Fisher know that?  I forgot, the rules are different if the destroyer is a wealthy white Republican and the property being destroyed tells a truth our government would rather we didn&#8217;t know.</p>
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