Comments on: Clinton set to speak in SF; Obama headed to Bay Area http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/ Politics in the Bay Area and beyond Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:39:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John W. http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1927 John W. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:35:17 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1927 I agree with Ted Ford about the salary cuts -- really it's a salary deferral. I don't like seeing employees getting caught in the middle, but it may be the only way to get the unions to put pressure on the legislature. It also preserves cash. The Controller's opposition annoys me, even though I voted for him. As the Controller, he is the state's chief accounting officer. In that capacity, he has a fiduciary responsibility to the state, not to the employees. My understanding of the court ruling on this matter is that the state is not allowed to pay employees when there is no budget. But they allowed an exception for hourly employees to be paid federal minimum wage. So, it seems to me that Arnold is in compliance with the law; while the Controller is violating his fiduciary duties and grandstanding to the state employees. Yes, Ted deserves favorable comparison with Dan Borenstein and should run again for public office. I agree with Ted Ford about the salary cuts — really it’s a salary deferral. I don’t like seeing employees getting caught in the middle, but it may be the only way to get the unions to put pressure on the legislature. It also preserves cash. The Controller’s opposition annoys me, even though I voted for him. As the Controller, he is the state’s chief accounting officer. In that capacity, he has a fiduciary responsibility to the state, not to the employees. My understanding of the court ruling on this matter is that the state is not allowed to pay employees when there is no budget. But they allowed an exception for hourly employees to be paid federal minimum wage. So, it seems to me that Arnold is in compliance with the law; while the Controller is violating his fiduciary duties and grandstanding to the state employees. Yes, Ted deserves favorable comparison with Dan Borenstein and should run again for public office.

]]> By: John W. http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1932 John W. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:35:17 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1932 I agree with Ted Ford about the salary cuts -- really it's a salary deferral. I don't like seeing employees getting caught in the middle, but it may be the only way to get the unions to put pressure on the legislature. It also preserves cash. The Controller's opposition annoys me, even though I voted for him. As the Controller, he is the state's chief accounting officer. In that capacity, he has a fiduciary responsibility to the state, not to the employees. My understanding of the court ruling on this matter is that the state is not allowed to pay employees when there is no budget. But they allowed an exception for hourly employees to be paid federal minimum wage. So, it seems to me that Arnold is in compliance with the law; while the Controller is violating his fiduciary duties and grandstanding to the state employees. Yes, Ted deserves favorable comparison with Dan Borenstein and should run again for public office. I agree with Ted Ford about the salary cuts — really it’s a salary deferral. I don’t like seeing employees getting caught in the middle, but it may be the only way to get the unions to put pressure on the legislature. It also preserves cash. The Controller’s opposition annoys me, even though I voted for him. As the Controller, he is the state’s chief accounting officer. In that capacity, he has a fiduciary responsibility to the state, not to the employees. My understanding of the court ruling on this matter is that the state is not allowed to pay employees when there is no budget. But they allowed an exception for hourly employees to be paid federal minimum wage. So, it seems to me that Arnold is in compliance with the law; while the Controller is violating his fiduciary duties and grandstanding to the state employees. Yes, Ted deserves favorable comparison with Dan Borenstein and should run again for public office.

]]> By: ted ford http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1926 ted ford Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:05:19 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1926 the 6.55 per hour is obviously a short term tactic to turn up the heat. My problem is not with public sector salaries which are largely in line, but with the totally out of line pension deals. Police and fire can retire at age 51 with a six-figure pension. That's absurd. By the way, I'm honored you would classify me with Dan Borenstein, one of the best newspapermen in Northern California. the 6.55 per hour is obviously a short term tactic to turn up the heat. My problem is not with public sector salaries which are largely in line, but with the totally out of line pension deals. Police and fire can retire at age 51 with a six-figure pension. That’s absurd. By the way, I’m honored you would classify me with Dan Borenstein, one of the best newspapermen in Northern California.

]]> By: ted ford http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1931 ted ford Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:05:19 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1931 the 6.55 per hour is obviously a short term tactic to turn up the heat. My problem is not with public sector salaries which are largely in line, but with the totally out of line pension deals. Police and fire can retire at age 51 with a six-figure pension. That's absurd. By the way, I'm honored you would classify me with Dan Borenstein, one of the best newspapermen in Northern California. the 6.55 per hour is obviously a short term tactic to turn up the heat. My problem is not with public sector salaries which are largely in line, but with the totally out of line pension deals. Police and fire can retire at age 51 with a six-figure pension. That’s absurd. By the way, I’m honored you would classify me with Dan Borenstein, one of the best newspapermen in Northern California.

]]> By: hpocriticalyes? http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1924 hpocriticalyes? Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:26:32 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1924 How can anyone justify cutting state employees salaries when they are not the ones making the decision or holding up the budget? This is just another strong arm tactic of Schwarzeneggers' to try and flex his muscles. If he had done his job the way he should have we wouldn't be in the mess and the deficit wouldn't be larger than it was when they recalled Davis? It's so typical to always say its"public employees" instead of accepting responsibility for your actions. "Public employees" work just as hard and pay just as many taxes as everyone else and yet they are always the target. " Public employees salaries would not be so large if the State had not made so many cuts and now people do the jobs of 4 people instead of 1. Talk about getting your head out of the sand, you are as bad as Dan Borenstein who always uses the "public employee copout" to rationalize his own measly salary. The color "green" comes to mind. How can anyone justify cutting state employees salaries when they are not the ones making the decision or holding up the budget? This is just another strong arm tactic of Schwarzeneggers’ to try and flex his muscles. If he had done his job the way he should have we wouldn’t be in the mess and the deficit wouldn’t be larger than it was when they recalled Davis? It’s so typical to always say its”public employees” instead of accepting responsibility for your actions. “Public employees” work just as hard and pay just as many taxes as everyone else and yet they are always the target. ” Public employees salaries would not be so large if the State had not made so many cuts and now people do the jobs of 4 people instead of 1. Talk about getting your head out of the sand, you are as bad as Dan Borenstein who always uses the “public employee copout” to rationalize his own measly salary. The color “green” comes to mind.

]]> By: hpocriticalyes? http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1928 hpocriticalyes? Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:26:32 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1928 How can anyone justify cutting state employees salaries when they are not the ones making the decision or holding up the budget? This is just another strong arm tactic of Schwarzeneggers' to try and flex his muscles. If he had done his job the way he should have we wouldn't be in the mess and the deficit wouldn't be larger than it was when they recalled Davis? It's so typical to always say its"public employees" instead of accepting responsibility for your actions. "Public employees" work just as hard and pay just as many taxes as everyone else and yet they are always the target. " Public employees salaries would not be so large if the State had not made so many cuts and now people do the jobs of 4 people instead of 1. Talk about getting your head out of the sand, you are as bad as Dan Borenstein who always uses the "public employee copout" to rationalize his own measly salary. The color "green" comes to mind. How can anyone justify cutting state employees salaries when they are not the ones making the decision or holding up the budget? This is just another strong arm tactic of Schwarzeneggers’ to try and flex his muscles. If he had done his job the way he should have we wouldn’t be in the mess and the deficit wouldn’t be larger than it was when they recalled Davis? It’s so typical to always say its”public employees” instead of accepting responsibility for your actions. “Public employees” work just as hard and pay just as many taxes as everyone else and yet they are always the target. ” Public employees salaries would not be so large if the State had not made so many cuts and now people do the jobs of 4 people instead of 1. Talk about getting your head out of the sand, you are as bad as Dan Borenstein who always uses the “public employee copout” to rationalize his own measly salary. The color “green” comes to mind.

]]> By: ted ford http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1925 ted ford Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:49:53 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1925 I think the salary cut of all state employees to the minimum wage was a brilliant move. It is clear that the budget impasse is unsolvable without radical political upheaval, which is something most voters recognize we need. The highest priority of the Democratic Party's movers movers and shakers seems to be gay marriage and the ideological manifesto of the Party's liberal clique. Meanwhile, the public sector unions seem grab any dollars left sitting on the table. They care about nothing but themselves. The firefighters, police, prison guards, and CHP are the worst. The general public is actually quite aware that we are headed for a train wreck and think it is both justified and needed. We cannot continue with the status quo. Cutting all employees to $6.55 an hour allows the State to continue to function, at least from a fiscal perspective, indefinitely. Otherwise we'll be shutting down the Universities and other public institutions. It's time to knock some heads together and get serious. Let the pot boil. I think the salary cut of all state employees to the minimum wage was a brilliant move. It is clear that the budget impasse is unsolvable without radical political upheaval, which is something most voters recognize we need. The highest priority of the Democratic Party’s movers movers and shakers seems to be gay marriage and the ideological manifesto of the Party’s liberal clique. Meanwhile, the public sector unions seem grab any dollars left sitting on the table. They care about nothing but themselves. The firefighters, police, prison guards, and CHP are the worst. The general public is actually quite aware that we are headed for a train wreck and think it is both justified and needed. We cannot continue with the status quo. Cutting all employees to $6.55 an hour allows the State to continue to function, at least from a fiscal perspective, indefinitely. Otherwise we’ll be shutting down the Universities and other public institutions. It’s time to knock some heads together and get serious. Let the pot boil.

]]> By: ted ford http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1930 ted ford Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:49:53 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1930 I think the salary cut of all state employees to the minimum wage was a brilliant move. It is clear that the budget impasse is unsolvable without radical political upheaval, which is something most voters recognize we need. The highest priority of the Democratic Party's movers movers and shakers seems to be gay marriage and the ideological manifesto of the Party's liberal clique. Meanwhile, the public sector unions seem grab any dollars left sitting on the table. They care about nothing but themselves. The firefighters, police, prison guards, and CHP are the worst. The general public is actually quite aware that we are headed for a train wreck and think it is both justified and needed. We cannot continue with the status quo. Cutting all employees to $6.55 an hour allows the State to continue to function, at least from a fiscal perspective, indefinitely. Otherwise we'll be shutting down the Universities and other public institutions. It's time to knock some heads together and get serious. Let the pot boil. I think the salary cut of all state employees to the minimum wage was a brilliant move. It is clear that the budget impasse is unsolvable without radical political upheaval, which is something most voters recognize we need. The highest priority of the Democratic Party’s movers movers and shakers seems to be gay marriage and the ideological manifesto of the Party’s liberal clique. Meanwhile, the public sector unions seem grab any dollars left sitting on the table. They care about nothing but themselves. The firefighters, police, prison guards, and CHP are the worst. The general public is actually quite aware that we are headed for a train wreck and think it is both justified and needed. We cannot continue with the status quo. Cutting all employees to $6.55 an hour allows the State to continue to function, at least from a fiscal perspective, indefinitely. Otherwise we’ll be shutting down the Universities and other public institutions. It’s time to knock some heads together and get serious. Let the pot boil.

]]> By: Debbie Toth http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1929 Debbie Toth Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:27:16 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1929 I totally agree with Ted Ford! Let's address the budget woes in our state and then address the national nightmare. One tragedy at a time, please! California health care providers are NOT being reimbursed by the state's own "insurance" - how long can nonprofits continue to float the state? What happens when we have to take out 8% interest rate loans to pay our health care workers and the state doesn't reimburse that cost? What happens to the elderly and disabled we care for when we close our doors because we can no longer bear the burden of the state's inability to pass a budget? Increased emergency room waits, increased tax dollars to acute care facilities, increased nursing home placements at significantly higher cost to taxpayers and a completely ethically and morally bankrupt government. I totally agree with Ted Ford! Let’s address the budget woes in our state and then address the national nightmare. One tragedy at a time, please!

California health care providers are NOT being reimbursed by the state’s own “insurance” – how long can nonprofits continue to float the state? What happens when we have to take out 8% interest rate loans to pay our health care workers and the state doesn’t reimburse that cost? What happens to the elderly and disabled we care for when we close our doors because we can no longer bear the burden of the state’s inability to pass a budget? Increased emergency room waits, increased tax dollars to acute care facilities, increased nursing home placements at significantly higher cost to taxpayers and a completely ethically and morally bankrupt government.

]]> By: Debbie Toth http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2008/07/30/clinton-set-to-speak-in-sf-obama-headed-to-bay-area/comment-page-1/#comment-1933 Debbie Toth Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:27:16 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/insidepolitics/?p=813#comment-1933 I totally agree with Ted Ford! Let's address the budget woes in our state and then address the national nightmare. One tragedy at a time, please! California health care providers are NOT being reimbursed by the state's own "insurance" - how long can nonprofits continue to float the state? What happens when we have to take out 8% interest rate loans to pay our health care workers and the state doesn't reimburse that cost? What happens to the elderly and disabled we care for when we close our doors because we can no longer bear the burden of the state's inability to pass a budget? Increased emergency room waits, increased tax dollars to acute care facilities, increased nursing home placements at significantly higher cost to taxpayers and a completely ethically and morally bankrupt government. I totally agree with Ted Ford! Let’s address the budget woes in our state and then address the national nightmare. One tragedy at a time, please!

California health care providers are NOT being reimbursed by the state’s own “insurance” – how long can nonprofits continue to float the state? What happens when we have to take out 8% interest rate loans to pay our health care workers and the state doesn’t reimburse that cost? What happens to the elderly and disabled we care for when we close our doors because we can no longer bear the burden of the state’s inability to pass a budget? Increased emergency room waits, increased tax dollars to acute care facilities, increased nursing home placements at significantly higher cost to taxpayers and a completely ethically and morally bankrupt government.

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