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		<title>By: Arne Simonsen</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2009/07/16/meanwhile-in-the-cd11/comment-page-1/#comment-8709</link>
		<dc:creator>Arne Simonsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 20:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon &amp; Brad following in Joan&#039;s footsteps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &amp; Brad following in Joan&#8217;s footsteps.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there, Walter.  Thrilled, to be sure.  If Congress actually enacts anything authored by Dr. Ron, I&#039;ll streak naked through Alameda GOP HQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, Walter.  Thrilled, to be sure.  If Congress actually enacts anything authored by Dr. Ron, I&#8217;ll streak naked through Alameda GOP HQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter, Alameda County GOP Vice Chairman</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2009/07/16/meanwhile-in-the-cd11/comment-page-1/#comment-8707</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter, Alameda County GOP Vice Chairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John W. - I thought that you&#039;d be happy to hear that H.R. 1207 has 275 co-sponsors and S. 604 has 17 as of today! Transparency &amp; Accountability seem to be pretty popular in Congress right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John W. &#8211; I thought that you&#8217;d be happy to hear that H.R. 1207 has 275 co-sponsors and S. 604 has 17 as of today! Transparency &amp; Accountability seem to be pretty popular in Congress right now.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2009/07/16/meanwhile-in-the-cd11/comment-page-1/#comment-8706</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter,

Agree on the &quot;agree to disagree&quot; part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter,</p>
<p>Agree on the &#8220;agree to disagree&#8221; part.</p>
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		<title>By: BJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how long until people want to audit the pentagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how long until people want to audit the pentagon.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter, Alameda County GOP Vice Chairman</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2009/07/16/meanwhile-in-the-cd11/comment-page-1/#comment-8704</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter, Alameda County GOP Vice Chairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John W. - While you seem to be a pretty reasonable guy, I fail to understand your logic.

You say, &quot;The Fed is a creature of Congress.&quot;

Well, if that&#039;s your position, why shouldn&#039;t Congress audit the Fed?

When Congress does audit the Fed, we&#039;ll probably all agree then that it does need to be abolished.

It would appear that most of the House of Representatives agrees with Ron Paul that the Fed needs to be audited. They see an audit as being an accountabilty measure that will provide some badly needed transparency when there seems to be very little at this point in time.

Maybe you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John W. &#8211; While you seem to be a pretty reasonable guy, I fail to understand your logic.</p>
<p>You say, &#8220;The Fed is a creature of Congress.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if that&#8217;s your position, why shouldn&#8217;t Congress audit the Fed?</p>
<p>When Congress does audit the Fed, we&#8217;ll probably all agree then that it does need to be abolished.</p>
<p>It would appear that most of the House of Representatives agrees with Ron Paul that the Fed needs to be audited. They see an audit as being an accountabilty measure that will provide some badly needed transparency when there seems to be very little at this point in time.</p>
<p>Maybe you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this one John.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter,

Am not opposed to transparency and accountability.  But Ron Paul&#039;s oft-stated goal is to disband the Federal Reserve.  So, I see this legislation in that context -- i.e., start by politicizing the Fed in the guise of auditing it.  Wound it, then kill it.  The Fed is a creature of Congress.  So, Congress clearly has the power to to change how it interacts with the Fed, or even to completely abolish the Fed and its central banking and monetary policy functions.  Not a wise move, in my opinion; but they could do it.  However, I doubt the Federal Reserve Act or the operation of the Fed pursuant to that act constitutes an unlawful delegation in violation of the Article I language you quoted.  However, one is always free to test that notion through the courts, as occured in the case of the line item veto.

John W.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter,</p>
<p>Am not opposed to transparency and accountability.  But Ron Paul&#8217;s oft-stated goal is to disband the Federal Reserve.  So, I see this legislation in that context &#8212; i.e., start by politicizing the Fed in the guise of auditing it.  Wound it, then kill it.  The Fed is a creature of Congress.  So, Congress clearly has the power to to change how it interacts with the Fed, or even to completely abolish the Fed and its central banking and monetary policy functions.  Not a wise move, in my opinion; but they could do it.  However, I doubt the Federal Reserve Act or the operation of the Fed pursuant to that act constitutes an unlawful delegation in violation of the Article I language you quoted.  However, one is always free to test that notion through the courts, as occured in the case of the line item veto.</p>
<p>John W.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter, Alameda County GOP Vice Chairman</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2009/07/16/meanwhile-in-the-cd11/comment-page-1/#comment-8698</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter, Alameda County GOP Vice Chairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John W. - That&#039;s too bad that you wouldn&#039;t support transparency and accountability when it comes to an institution that has so much control over our monetary policy. The truth is, the Federal Reserve and their dealings are, for the most part, very secretive and therefore unaccountable when it comes to congressional over site. Furthermore, when they print up money out of thin air to fund the big-government agenda, the purchasing power of every dollar in your pocket, and every dollar in your savings account drops. Not to mention the fact that without an audit, how can we determine what &quot;reserves&quot; the Federal Reserve really has?

The companion bill in the Senate (S.604) has been picking-up support, however, nothing like H.R.1207. Sometimes bills progress slower in the Senate as far as co-sponsorship goes because Senators are more likely to govern as trustees, as opposed to delegates. Plus, Senator Bernie Sanders was not pushing his bill in the Senate up until H.R.1207 reached 200 + co-sponsors. On July 15th the Senate bill picked-up five more co-sponsors, and you&#039;ll be surprised two-weeks from now. Remember that the Senate only needs a simple majority (51).

Check out the videos John W.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpbW64vRrMc&amp;feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ&amp;feature=channel

The United States Constitution, gives the United States Congress the authority to coin Money and regulate the value thereof and does not give Congress the authority to delegate control over monetary policy to a central bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John W. &#8211; That&#8217;s too bad that you wouldn&#8217;t support transparency and accountability when it comes to an institution that has so much control over our monetary policy. The truth is, the Federal Reserve and their dealings are, for the most part, very secretive and therefore unaccountable when it comes to congressional over site. Furthermore, when they print up money out of thin air to fund the big-government agenda, the purchasing power of every dollar in your pocket, and every dollar in your savings account drops. Not to mention the fact that without an audit, how can we determine what &#8220;reserves&#8221; the Federal Reserve really has?</p>
<p>The companion bill in the Senate (S.604) has been picking-up support, however, nothing like H.R.1207. Sometimes bills progress slower in the Senate as far as co-sponsorship goes because Senators are more likely to govern as trustees, as opposed to delegates. Plus, Senator Bernie Sanders was not pushing his bill in the Senate up until H.R.1207 reached 200 + co-sponsors. On July 15th the Senate bill picked-up five more co-sponsors, and you&#8217;ll be surprised two-weeks from now. Remember that the Senate only needs a simple majority (51).</p>
<p>Check out the videos John W.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpbW64vRrMc&amp;feature=channel_page" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpbW64vRrMc&amp;feature=channel_page</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ&amp;feature=channel" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ&amp;feature=channel</a></p>
<p>The United States Constitution, gives the United States Congress the authority to coin Money and regulate the value thereof and does not give Congress the authority to delegate control over monetary policy to a central bank.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2009/07/16/meanwhile-in-the-cd11/comment-page-1/#comment-8697</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter re H.R. 1207

Have to confess, I hadn&#039;t heard of this one.  After looking it up, I notice it has significantly less co-sponsor support in the Senate -- 13 according to what I saw.  I&#039;m surprised that many people on both sides of the aisle in the House agreed to co-sponsor a Ron Paul bill.  Not something I would sign onto were I in Congress.  Looks like a slippery slope to politicizing the Fed, which I&#039;m totally against.  Usually, when there are that many co-sponsors, it means you have a bunch of people on record as being in favor of something with populist appeal, but far fewer people with any intention of actually voting for it.  I earnestly hope that&#039;s the case here, and I give McNerney a high five for not playing the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter re H.R. 1207</p>
<p>Have to confess, I hadn&#8217;t heard of this one.  After looking it up, I notice it has significantly less co-sponsor support in the Senate &#8212; 13 according to what I saw.  I&#8217;m surprised that many people on both sides of the aisle in the House agreed to co-sponsor a Ron Paul bill.  Not something I would sign onto were I in Congress.  Looks like a slippery slope to politicizing the Fed, which I&#8217;m totally against.  Usually, when there are that many co-sponsors, it means you have a bunch of people on record as being in favor of something with populist appeal, but far fewer people with any intention of actually voting for it.  I earnestly hope that&#8217;s the case here, and I give McNerney a high five for not playing the game.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take your point that only one of the two is a contender for the GOP nod.  No problem for me if somebody has wealth and wants to self-finance his or her campaign.  How they acquired that wealth is always of interest to me.  Having spent most of my boyhood on the plains of western Kansas, I appreciate the challenges farmers face in hanging onto their wealth, no matter how they got it in the first place.  My post regarding Goehring was mostly a response to the initial remark about raiding savings or borrowing the money to lend his campaign -- something I assume he did not have to do, or would have been crazy enough to do if the family nestegg were at risk.  All that said, I&#039;ll stick with Jerry M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take your point that only one of the two is a contender for the GOP nod.  No problem for me if somebody has wealth and wants to self-finance his or her campaign.  How they acquired that wealth is always of interest to me.  Having spent most of my boyhood on the plains of western Kansas, I appreciate the challenges farmers face in hanging onto their wealth, no matter how they got it in the first place.  My post regarding Goehring was mostly a response to the initial remark about raiding savings or borrowing the money to lend his campaign &#8212; something I assume he did not have to do, or would have been crazy enough to do if the family nestegg were at risk.  All that said, I&#8217;ll stick with Jerry M.</p>
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