Comments on: ‘Open carry’ ban bill could pass later today

By: Walter, Livermore

Walter, Livermore — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:18:28 +0000

John, I’m not sure about a musket, but at the very least a pistol.

Regarding post #8 above…

Imagine if “the stranger” had decided to leave his gun at home during this situation John? Raging Billy Joe, who to me sounds like the aggressor would have just shot “the stranger” and then the crowd of people could have called the police to come take a report. Good thing the stranger had a way of protecting himself from Raging Billy Joe… right?

By: John W

John W — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:07:56 +0000

Yes, I’m sure TJ would today counsel his nephew to be sure to take his musket when going to Starbucks for his daily caffeine fix.

By: Walter, Livermore

Walter, Livermore — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:30:13 +0000

I’m not sure about what Johnny Cash said but this is what Thomas Jefferson said, “Let your gun be the constant companion of your walks.”

I like Thomas Jefferson’s advice much better!

By: Elwood

Elwood — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:08:33 +0000

But then you have the 21st century hip hop update:

“It ain’t no fun if you can’t take your gun!”

By: John W

John W — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:46:33 +0000

Filled with rage then, Billy Joe reached for his gun to draw. But the stranger drew his gun and fired before he ever saw. As Billy Joe fell to the floor, the crowd all gathered ’round and wondered at his final words.

Don’t take your guns to town son. Leave your guns at home Bill. Don’t take your guns to town.

Johnny Cash – “Don’t take your guns to town.”

By: Walter, Livermore

Walter, Livermore — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:23:24 +0000

Although AB 1934 received enough votes to pass in the State Senate, Lori Saldana failed to get the Senate amended version of AB 1934 re-confirmed in the State Assembly before the 12 am deadline. AB 1934 is Dead, along with AB 1810 and AB 2358. Oh, and the California plastic bag ban (AB 1998) failed too.

By: John W

John W — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:13:22 +0000

Re: #5

Janet, with respect, I don’t see how the proposed bill would interfere with your friends’ participation in controlled situations such as these cowboy shoot ‘em up fantasy camps [my description].

By: Janet

Janet — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:51:43 +0000

I have many very law-abidding friends that are in S.A.S.S. , Cowboy Action Shooting, look it up online, it’s been around for years involving the whole family . They go all over the U.S.A. & the World, to meets at local gun ranges. They have fun re-enacting old cowboy scenarios, with guns of that era & live ammo, shooting at targets. With the passage of this STUPID bill, it would make them all criminals, as they carry unloaded guns in their cowboy holsters during the matches and can only load when they get up to the firing line, and Always with safety officers close at hand. This is just one more unconstitutional law to control people’s lives.

By: John W

John W — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:19:58 +0000

Am surprised but pleased NRA hasn’t squished this like a bug. Will believe it when I see it. When you think about it, freaking people out with open-carry seems like a pretty odd way to get support for more concealed weapons permits.

By: Walter, Livermore

Walter, Livermore — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:17:51 +0000

Advocates of Saldana’s bill say openly bearing unloaded firearms should be banned for the sake of public safety.

*Well, I would argue that unloaded open carry ammounts to increased public safety. Peace officers have no duty to protect individuals. Self-protection is a personal responsibility. In California, law abiding residents are commonly denied concealed carry permits due to a discriminatory “may-issue” state policy, which fails to provide equal protection under the law. As a result individuals have started to openly bear unloaded firearms for personal protection, which is the best protection offered to California residents’ under the law.

Advocates of Saldana’s bill also believe that rights should be violated to protect the safety and conserve the resources of police officers who “must” check to ensure the guns aren’t loaded in accordance with state law.

*First, officer safety does not trump the individual rights of the people. Most people respect the police because of the job that they have selected for themselves. This is usually because people can relate with the fact that being a peace officer is no easy job and it isn’t a very safe profession (that’s why it’s respectable to be a peace officer). Why are law abiding residents such a threat to law enforcement simply because they have taken the personal responsibility to provide for their own personal protection under the law?

Penal Code Section 12031 (e) authorizes (not mandates) peace officers to inspect firearms carried in public. There is no requirement in the law that officers “must” do anything, therefore it could never be a drain on public safety resources. You might think a law maker such as Saldana would know the law better. PC 12031 is actually a rasist law passed back in the 60′s designed to disarm the Black Panthers. Now, I am no Black Panther, but I would never support a law that was directed at a specific group of people. If there is a drain on resources than Saldana should be looking to repeal unconstitutional PC 12031 et. seq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWOTxvJibhM