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	<title>Comments on: Lawmakers sound off on health-care ruling</title>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2010/12/13/lawmakers-sound-off-on-health-care-ruling/comment-page-1/#comment-24721</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #5

Darn, I thought sure my comment on the subject would convince Elwood to do a 180.  Oh well!

Two other courts have, with far less media hoopla, upheld that provision.  Both conservative and liberal legal gurus have said they expect it to be upheld.  I&#039;m not so sure.  So, we&#039;ll see where it goes.

Of course, if the Supremes do rule that mandated coverage exceeds Congressional authority, I&#039;m sure there will be challenges to Medicare on the same basis.  Part B (Medical) is optional.  Part A (Hospital) isn&#039;t.  In fact, I believe Dick Armey already has a case going on that.  He&#039;s one free market conservative who didn&#039;t like being forced to give up his previous taxpayer-funded federal employee health coverage as a member of Congress at 65 and join the common folk in Medicare.  Life&#039;s a bummer.  Should he or other challengers prevail, we&#039;ll see how all the &quot;ObamaCare&quot; bashers like them apples.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #5</p>
<p>Darn, I thought sure my comment on the subject would convince Elwood to do a 180.  Oh well!</p>
<p>Two other courts have, with far less media hoopla, upheld that provision.  Both conservative and liberal legal gurus have said they expect it to be upheld.  I&#8217;m not so sure.  So, we&#8217;ll see where it goes.</p>
<p>Of course, if the Supremes do rule that mandated coverage exceeds Congressional authority, I&#8217;m sure there will be challenges to Medicare on the same basis.  Part B (Medical) is optional.  Part A (Hospital) isn&#8217;t.  In fact, I believe Dick Armey already has a case going on that.  He&#8217;s one free market conservative who didn&#8217;t like being forced to give up his previous taxpayer-funded federal employee health coverage as a member of Congress at 65 and join the common folk in Medicare.  Life&#8217;s a bummer.  Should he or other challengers prevail, we&#8217;ll see how all the &#8220;ObamaCare&#8221; bashers like them apples.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #4

Nice revisionist spin try.

It&#039;s still an act of unmitigated gall on Pelosi&#039;s part.

It still comes down to pass the bill then read it.

Hopefully the courts will dispose of Ms. Pelosi&#039;s grand scheme of Obamacare.  The first shoe just dropped yesterday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #4</p>
<p>Nice revisionist spin try.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still an act of unmitigated gall on Pelosi&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>It still comes down to pass the bill then read it.</p>
<p>Hopefully the courts will dispose of Ms. Pelosi&#8217;s grand scheme of Obamacare.  The first shoe just dropped yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #3

Correct quote:

&quot;But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.&quot; 

In other words, so that people can look at it in it&#039;s enacted form, without all the misrepresentations about death panels, 10 thousand IRS agents and blah, blah, blah.

Imagine if we had today&#039;s blogosphere, Fox, MSNBC, and wing-nut radio while those guys in Phily were working on the Constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #3</p>
<p>Correct quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.&#8221; </p>
<p>In other words, so that people can look at it in it&#8217;s enacted form, without all the misrepresentations about death panels, 10 thousand IRS agents and blah, blah, blah.</p>
<p>Imagine if we had today&#8217;s blogosphere, Fox, MSNBC, and wing-nut radio while those guys in Phily were working on the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;this could have been avoided by more cleverly framing this part of the legislation&quot;

&quot;Pass the bill, then read it&quot;  --Nancy Pelosi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;this could have been avoided by more cleverly framing this part of the legislation&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Pass the bill, then read it&#8221;  &#8211;Nancy Pelosi</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 00:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously, this is headed for the Supremes to resolve a series of conflicting District and Appeals Court rulings on the matter.  Seems to me this could have been avoided by more cleverly framing this part of the legislation.  Instead of a mandate and a modest IRS-enforced fine for non-compliance, Congress could have enacted a health care tax with a 100% offsetting tax credit for everybody who provides proof of coverage.  In reality, there is no real mandate in the current legislation, since anybody can avoid it simply by paying the fine, which is very small compared to the cost of insurance.  The fine may be objectionable to some people just because people don&#039;t like the idea of penalties.  But it could just as easily have been characterized as a mandatory contribution to the health care system by people who don&#039;t purchase coverage, used to offset the impact they have on the overall health care system when they show up at the ER or County Hospital and are unable to pay the bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, this is headed for the Supremes to resolve a series of conflicting District and Appeals Court rulings on the matter.  Seems to me this could have been avoided by more cleverly framing this part of the legislation.  Instead of a mandate and a modest IRS-enforced fine for non-compliance, Congress could have enacted a health care tax with a 100% offsetting tax credit for everybody who provides proof of coverage.  In reality, there is no real mandate in the current legislation, since anybody can avoid it simply by paying the fine, which is very small compared to the cost of insurance.  The fine may be objectionable to some people just because people don&#8217;t like the idea of penalties.  But it could just as easily have been characterized as a mandatory contribution to the health care system by people who don&#8217;t purchase coverage, used to offset the impact they have on the overall health care system when they show up at the ER or County Hospital and are unable to pay the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: RR, Uninvited  Columnist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR, Uninvited  Columnist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad Messrs Miller and Stark speed-read through the relevant court decisions. They reacted as if you just them their daughters looked ugly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad Messrs Miller and Stark speed-read through the relevant court decisions. They reacted as if you just them their daughters looked ugly.</p>
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