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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2011/08/09/measure-to-ice-union-spending-gains-steam/comment-page-1/#comment-34653</link>
		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve voted for school bonds in the past.

No mas!

I&#039;ve seen too much money ****ed away on foolish projects by idiotic school boards and administrators.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve voted for school bonds in the past.</p>
<p>No mas!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen too much money ****ed away on foolish projects by idiotic school boards and administrators.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Publius, for sharing the story of more taxpayer money wasted by Mt. Diablo Unified School District (which is Supt. Tom Torlakson&#039;s beloved &quot;pet&quot; school district).  I found a primer about Measure C at http://ballotpedia.org  The tale of Measure C gets more sordid with every passing month. It was irresponsible of the school board to approve a 40-year bond to begin with because the amount of interest payments. Too many citizens (including most Democrats) have a knee-jerk reaction to vote for most tax increases related to education.  It&#039;s long been obvious to most thoughtful citizens that teachers unions exert disproportionate efforts to effect certain school board members, but most people haven&#039;t thought about the influence exerted by construction trades unions, which seek those egregious PLA&#039;s.  How kind of the Mt. Diablo school board to reward their union friends today while passing the buck literally to the next two generations (with the bonds finally being paid off in the 2050s).  And Supt. Tom Torlakson holds Mt. Diablo Unified School District up as some model of responsible governance?  Instead of handing out those giant ceremonial checks, maybe it&#039;s time for Supt. Torlakson to publicly hold those morons accountable.  The board members who recommended Measure C to voters in 2010 ought to fired and &quot;pilloried.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Publius, for sharing the story of more taxpayer money wasted by Mt. Diablo Unified School District (which is Supt. Tom Torlakson&#8217;s beloved &#8220;pet&#8221; school district).  I found a primer about Measure C at <a href="http://ballotpedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://ballotpedia.org</a>  The tale of Measure C gets more sordid with every passing month. It was irresponsible of the school board to approve a 40-year bond to begin with because the amount of interest payments. Too many citizens (including most Democrats) have a knee-jerk reaction to vote for most tax increases related to education.  It&#8217;s long been obvious to most thoughtful citizens that teachers unions exert disproportionate efforts to effect certain school board members, but most people haven&#8217;t thought about the influence exerted by construction trades unions, which seek those egregious PLA&#8217;s.  How kind of the Mt. Diablo school board to reward their union friends today while passing the buck literally to the next two generations (with the bonds finally being paid off in the 2050s).  And Supt. Tom Torlakson holds Mt. Diablo Unified School District up as some model of responsible governance?  Instead of handing out those giant ceremonial checks, maybe it&#8217;s time for Supt. Torlakson to publicly hold those morons accountable.  The board members who recommended Measure C to voters in 2010 ought to fired and &#8220;pilloried.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#21

PLA stands for Project Labor Agreement. These egregious agreements force contractors to join the union if they want to do a project. There are PLA&#039;s on public and private work. Though public works require every contractor to pay the prevailing wage amount the PLA automatically dismisses %80 of the bidders from the bidding process and therefor drives the price up an additional 15%. The $336 million dollar Measure C wasted over $50 million dollars by signing a PLA. The National University just concluded a study proving the waste caused by the PLA. This study was validated by USC. Our politicians are stilling giving away our money to gain union support. Josh, there are plenty of examples in Contra Costa of the unions use of the PLA and subsequent &quot;Green Mail&quot; to transfer tax dollars into thier coffers. I think this deserves to be reported.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21</p>
<p>PLA stands for Project Labor Agreement. These egregious agreements force contractors to join the union if they want to do a project. There are PLA&#8217;s on public and private work. Though public works require every contractor to pay the prevailing wage amount the PLA automatically dismisses %80 of the bidders from the bidding process and therefor drives the price up an additional 15%. The $336 million dollar Measure C wasted over $50 million dollars by signing a PLA. The National University just concluded a study proving the waste caused by the PLA. This study was validated by USC. Our politicians are stilling giving away our money to gain union support. Josh, there are plenty of examples in Contra Costa of the unions use of the PLA and subsequent &#8220;Green Mail&#8221; to transfer tax dollars into thier coffers. I think this deserves to be reported.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PLA = Project Labor Agreement

Usually stipulates that client will pay prevailing wages (union scale) and pay into trust funds for pensions, health care, apprenticeship etc. which pretty much guarantees that the work will only go to union contractors.

The other side of the coin is that client gets a qualified work force and the agreement stipulates that there will be no strikes, jurisdictional disputes or work stoppages for any reason]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLA = Project Labor Agreement</p>
<p>Usually stipulates that client will pay prevailing wages (union scale) and pay into trust funds for pensions, health care, apprenticeship etc. which pretty much guarantees that the work will only go to union contractors.</p>
<p>The other side of the coin is that client gets a qualified work force and the agreement stipulates that there will be no strikes, jurisdictional disputes or work stoppages for any reason</p>
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		<title>By: Patty O'Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patty O'Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And many of the unions fight dirty.  I have a friend that used to be an inspector for the CALOSHA.  They regularly got complaints (that CALOSHA) was required to investigate about unsafe roofing practices on various building jobs.  Invariably, when the inspector arrived, he seldom if ever found any safety violations, and in every case, the complaints had been filed against a non union roofing company.  

Also, to Publius&#039;s point, several cities around here use only union members for all their contracts.  I think these are called PLA&#039;s.  (Unsure what that stands for, but the L is for Labor).  This means they are not competitive in that only union contractors can bid on contracts.  Not only does this raise the costs to the cities, but it is unfair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And many of the unions fight dirty.  I have a friend that used to be an inspector for the CALOSHA.  They regularly got complaints (that CALOSHA) was required to investigate about unsafe roofing practices on various building jobs.  Invariably, when the inspector arrived, he seldom if ever found any safety violations, and in every case, the complaints had been filed against a non union roofing company.  </p>
<p>Also, to Publius&#8217;s point, several cities around here use only union members for all their contracts.  I think these are called PLA&#8217;s.  (Unsure what that stands for, but the L is for Labor).  This means they are not competitive in that only union contractors can bid on contracts.  Not only does this raise the costs to the cities, but it is unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#18 If I want to be a Firefighter, COP, or teach at a public school I have to join a union. There is no choice. If I want to get a job at my local Safeway I have to join a union. As a contractor if I want to work on a public job most likely I would have to be a union contractor. Measure C, the $336 million Mt. Diablo school construction bond is for union contractors ONLY. Not only is this preferential treatment legislated by our supervisors it was written into the BOND. Measure C is a perfect example of a private union milking the government. Name another special interest, besides the green movement, that receives more public funds than organized labor. Like I said in my first post any company receiving public funds should be banned from giving any contributions. 

#19 See above on the many ways organized labor forces people to join voluntarily. As for wages. Public teachers make more than private teachers. Construction union members make more than non-union members. You cannot compare cops, fire fighters and prison gaurd wages to non-union wages because they have to be union. Your data is wrong. Did you know that on any government funded job the tax payers pay approximately 30% more than what the private sector would pay. The main reason for this disparity is the Davis-Bacon act requiring prevailing wage rates to be paid that are based on union salaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 If I want to be a Firefighter, COP, or teach at a public school I have to join a union. There is no choice. If I want to get a job at my local Safeway I have to join a union. As a contractor if I want to work on a public job most likely I would have to be a union contractor. Measure C, the $336 million Mt. Diablo school construction bond is for union contractors ONLY. Not only is this preferential treatment legislated by our supervisors it was written into the BOND. Measure C is a perfect example of a private union milking the government. Name another special interest, besides the green movement, that receives more public funds than organized labor. Like I said in my first post any company receiving public funds should be banned from giving any contributions. </p>
<p>#19 See above on the many ways organized labor forces people to join voluntarily. As for wages. Public teachers make more than private teachers. Construction union members make more than non-union members. You cannot compare cops, fire fighters and prison gaurd wages to non-union wages because they have to be union. Your data is wrong. Did you know that on any government funded job the tax payers pay approximately 30% more than what the private sector would pay. The main reason for this disparity is the Davis-Bacon act requiring prevailing wage rates to be paid that are based on union salaries.</p>
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		<title>By: bbox231</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbox231</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;..when you are initially forced to join a union . . . &quot;  

No one &quot;forces&quot; anyone to take a job w/a given shop/employer just as no one is &quot;forced&quot; to purchase a given stock issue.  Further, this broad generalization of high priced union labor is seriously out of touch with realities.

As a group, only the two safety unions exhibit data that could be considered anywhere near &quot;over market&quot;.  

Private sector unionized employees are becoming increasingly rare as employers migrate to various alternatives to regular full-time employment and, where they do still exist,  total comp incomes of all private sector employees, unionized or otherwise,  have been eroded on a consistant basis for many, many years now.  

Teachers are, for the most part, at the bottom of the earnings heap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..when you are initially forced to join a union . . . &#8221;  </p>
<p>No one &#8220;forces&#8221; anyone to take a job w/a given shop/employer just as no one is &#8220;forced&#8221; to purchase a given stock issue.  Further, this broad generalization of high priced union labor is seriously out of touch with realities.</p>
<p>As a group, only the two safety unions exhibit data that could be considered anywhere near &#8220;over market&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Private sector unionized employees are becoming increasingly rare as employers migrate to various alternatives to regular full-time employment and, where they do still exist,  total comp incomes of all private sector employees, unionized or otherwise,  have been eroded on a consistant basis for many, many years now.  </p>
<p>Teachers are, for the most part, at the bottom of the earnings heap.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara and Meg WHO ???!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara and Meg WHO ???!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the million dollar question folks - - why isn&#039;t your position one of wanting to legislate ALL special interests out of existance ?

Why JUST unions ?

If we scrutinized the rest, we can find all kinds of misuses and injustices as well;  the main problem is their overbearing influence of our political system -  right   ????  So, let&#039;s get rid of ALL of them.  Anything less is just more political divisiveness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the million dollar question folks &#8211; - why isn&#8217;t your position one of wanting to legislate ALL special interests out of existance ?</p>
<p>Why JUST unions ?</p>
<p>If we scrutinized the rest, we can find all kinds of misuses and injustices as well;  the main problem is their overbearing influence of our political system &#8211;  right   ????  So, let&#8217;s get rid of ALL of them.  Anything less is just more political divisiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem goes deeper than a voluntary opt out box that you can check when you are initially forced to join a union (some join willing ofcourse). Union members aren&#039;t stupid and they know that the money that comes out of their check for political contributions relates directly to their wage. The over market wages most union members receive more than compensates for the money that is taken out. Other than integrity or principle there is no other reason for a member to opt out. Cash is king and sadly trumps principle. To unions (private and public) the government is a cash cow that can milked. To government unions are a dependent voting base that will always return to the tax payer teet. The problem is so prevalent in Ca. The sheer mass of people that benefit from this unholy relationship has all but made it impossible to reverse. Who is going to vote themselves a pay decrease? This measure is a good start to curb the power of unions but falls way short of what is needed. 

&quot;ecrasez l&#039;infame&quot;

Voltaire]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem goes deeper than a voluntary opt out box that you can check when you are initially forced to join a union (some join willing ofcourse). Union members aren&#8217;t stupid and they know that the money that comes out of their check for political contributions relates directly to their wage. The over market wages most union members receive more than compensates for the money that is taken out. Other than integrity or principle there is no other reason for a member to opt out. Cash is king and sadly trumps principle. To unions (private and public) the government is a cash cow that can milked. To government unions are a dependent voting base that will always return to the tax payer teet. The problem is so prevalent in Ca. The sheer mass of people that benefit from this unholy relationship has all but made it impossible to reverse. Who is going to vote themselves a pay decrease? This measure is a good start to curb the power of unions but falls way short of what is needed. </p>
<p>&#8220;ecrasez l&#8217;infame&#8221;</p>
<p>Voltaire</p>
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		<title>By: Sara and Meg WHO ???!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara and Meg WHO ???!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 01:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A majority of unionized employees understand what union they will be required to join when they accept a given position.  Far more rare is the occassion where an individual is employed and *then* is asked to join a union. So, given the opportunities to &quot;opt out&quot; - I stand by my original point. . .. if we&#039;re going to forgo political contributions, let&#039;s do so for ALL interests.  Anything significantly less is pure political hyperbole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A majority of unionized employees understand what union they will be required to join when they accept a given position.  Far more rare is the occassion where an individual is employed and *then* is asked to join a union. So, given the opportunities to &#8220;opt out&#8221; &#8211; I stand by my original point. . .. if we&#8217;re going to forgo political contributions, let&#8217;s do so for ALL interests.  Anything significantly less is pure political hyperbole.</p>
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