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	<title>Comments on: The AB 144 ‘open carry’ ban update</title>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 21:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@16 Geoff

The problem with the Heinlein quote is that it assumes that ultra-politeness is a worthy goal to be secured by the fear of getting shot.  If somebody cuts in line to buy the latest I-Phone, I&#039;d probably just keep my mouth shut.  But it would not be inappropriate for somebody else to speak up.  They shouldn&#039;t have to refrain from doing so out of fear that somebody is having a bad day and will unholster his gun.  Everyday life is full of more important circumstances where people should intervene on some level but would hesitate to do so in &quot;an armed society.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@16 Geoff</p>
<p>The problem with the Heinlein quote is that it assumes that ultra-politeness is a worthy goal to be secured by the fear of getting shot.  If somebody cuts in line to buy the latest I-Phone, I&#8217;d probably just keep my mouth shut.  But it would not be inappropriate for somebody else to speak up.  They shouldn&#8217;t have to refrain from doing so out of fear that somebody is having a bad day and will unholster his gun.  Everyday life is full of more important circumstances where people should intervene on some level but would hesitate to do so in &#8220;an armed society.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 18:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[2 of my favorite Heinlein quotes

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
-Robert A. Heinlein

and

No statement should be believed because it is made by an authority. 
-Robert A. Heinlein]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 of my favorite Heinlein quotes</p>
<p>An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.<br />
-Robert A. Heinlein</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>No statement should be believed because it is made by an authority.<br />
-Robert A. Heinlein</p>
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		<title>By: DAN COOPER</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAN COOPER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First step is to remove your right to DUE PROCESS and then they take away your guns. CHECKMATE

 SBX211 Retro Active Immunity given to California judges for openly taking bribes. Judges are employees of the state they receive their pay and benefits from the state. The Los Angeles Superior court judges are currently receiving an additional $57.688,00 from the county of Los Angeles. there is no bigger user of the court than L.A. County.(A party to the case and has a financial interest in most cases in the courts) Those payments were found to be unconstitutional / illegal in Sturgeon vs L.A. County. after that decision the judges paid a lobbyist to pass SBX211 ( RETRO ACTIVE IMMUNITY )

SBX211 does not restore due process
SBX211 violates Article 1 section 9
SBX211 violates the 14th amendment (no equal protections)
SBX211 violate checks and balances between legislative and Judicial powers
Judges do not disclose the county payments at the onset of any trial where the county is either a party to the case or has a financial interest. (Judges violate Judicial codes of ethics)
Judges refuse to recuse themselves when requested under CCP170
Judges find themselves unbiased and then file an order striking statement.
 
In the year of 2010 alone $57,688.00 per year per judge X 460 judges = $26,709.544.00 paid to judges from L.A. County from tax payer money to only have the judges rule against the tax payer in favor of L.A. County or the County&#039;s interest. THE BRIBES WORK.

 HISTORY OF RETRO ACTIVE IMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES
1. given for unconstitutional use of torture
2. given for illegal merger of banks (we can see the effects of that now)
3. given to telecom company for illegal wire taps. (Fisa bill that led to the patriot act)
4. SBX211 given to Judges for taking bribes.

SBX211 is evidence of conspiracy of the California legislative branch of government to cover up the multiple felony&#039;s committed by the Judicial branch of government. By an act of Legislation, California&#039;s judicial branch has admitted to be corrupt.

SECTION FROM SBX211
This bill would provide that no governmental entity, or officer or employee of a governmental entity, shall incur any liability or be subject to prosecution or disciplinary action because of benefits provided to a judge under the official action of a governmental entity prior to the effective date of this bill on the ground that those benefits were not authorized under law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First step is to remove your right to DUE PROCESS and then they take away your guns. CHECKMATE</p>
<p> SBX211 Retro Active Immunity given to California judges for openly taking bribes. Judges are employees of the state they receive their pay and benefits from the state. The Los Angeles Superior court judges are currently receiving an additional $57.688,00 from the county of Los Angeles. there is no bigger user of the court than L.A. County.(A party to the case and has a financial interest in most cases in the courts) Those payments were found to be unconstitutional / illegal in Sturgeon vs L.A. County. after that decision the judges paid a lobbyist to pass SBX211 ( RETRO ACTIVE IMMUNITY )</p>
<p>SBX211 does not restore due process<br />
SBX211 violates Article 1 section 9<br />
SBX211 violates the 14th amendment (no equal protections)<br />
SBX211 violate checks and balances between legislative and Judicial powers<br />
Judges do not disclose the county payments at the onset of any trial where the county is either a party to the case or has a financial interest. (Judges violate Judicial codes of ethics)<br />
Judges refuse to recuse themselves when requested under CCP170<br />
Judges find themselves unbiased and then file an order striking statement.</p>
<p>In the year of 2010 alone $57,688.00 per year per judge X 460 judges = $26,709.544.00 paid to judges from L.A. County from tax payer money to only have the judges rule against the tax payer in favor of L.A. County or the County&#8217;s interest. THE BRIBES WORK.</p>
<p> HISTORY OF RETRO ACTIVE IMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES<br />
1. given for unconstitutional use of torture<br />
2. given for illegal merger of banks (we can see the effects of that now)<br />
3. given to telecom company for illegal wire taps. (Fisa bill that led to the patriot act)<br />
4. SBX211 given to Judges for taking bribes.</p>
<p>SBX211 is evidence of conspiracy of the California legislative branch of government to cover up the multiple felony&#8217;s committed by the Judicial branch of government. By an act of Legislation, California&#8217;s judicial branch has admitted to be corrupt.</p>
<p>SECTION FROM SBX211<br />
This bill would provide that no governmental entity, or officer or employee of a governmental entity, shall incur any liability or be subject to prosecution or disciplinary action because of benefits provided to a judge under the official action of a governmental entity prior to the effective date of this bill on the ground that those benefits were not authorized under law.</p>
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		<title>By: alfred lepori</title>
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		<dc:creator>alfred lepori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 07:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please veto!!!!!!!
i feel safer with law abiding carrying side arms than trusting our law enforcement, with- their cutbacks, to protect us from the growing gang related violence; the state can&#039;t take these rights from us...see our constitution  I believe Gov. Brown is going to Veto, because he is a gun owner too for a reason; he is not your typical hypocrite politician.   We have the right to protect ourselves if we feel the need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please veto!!!!!!!<br />
i feel safer with law abiding carrying side arms than trusting our law enforcement, with- their cutbacks, to protect us from the growing gang related violence; the state can&#8217;t take these rights from us&#8230;see our constitution  I believe Gov. Brown is going to Veto, because he is a gun owner too for a reason; he is not your typical hypocrite politician.   We have the right to protect ourselves if we feel the need.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 04:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PLEASE PASS AB 144,I AM 61YRS. OLD AND HAVE MEDICAL PROBLEMS THAT PREVENT ME FROM BEING ABLE TO PROTECT MYSELF UNLESS I CAN CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON TO PROTECT ME AND MY FAMILY.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE PASS AB 144,I AM 61YRS. OLD AND HAVE MEDICAL PROBLEMS THAT PREVENT ME FROM BEING ABLE TO PROTECT MYSELF UNLESS I CAN CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON TO PROTECT ME AND MY FAMILY.</p>
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		<title>By: Quest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I had been in a country in the sixties and late seventies where you were allowed to carry.
The people protected themselves. There weren’t violent outbursts, then the government banned the ownership of weapons. There is more mayhem now than in those old days. Criminals, gangs and Cartels carry the loaded weapons now and they don’t care about any type of gun laws one way or the other because they know that those that get in the way are unarmed and they can be eliminated in an instant.
Criminal types of individuals have no morals. I know for sure most armed law abiding citizens do.
who was that armed country? Just look south of our boarder, that’s what happens when you disarm a country and the citizens can no longer defend themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I had been in a country in the sixties and late seventies where you were allowed to carry.<br />
The people protected themselves. There weren’t violent outbursts, then the government banned the ownership of weapons. There is more mayhem now than in those old days. Criminals, gangs and Cartels carry the loaded weapons now and they don’t care about any type of gun laws one way or the other because they know that those that get in the way are unarmed and they can be eliminated in an instant.<br />
Criminal types of individuals have no morals. I know for sure most armed law abiding citizens do.<br />
who was that armed country? Just look south of our boarder, that’s what happens when you disarm a country and the citizens can no longer defend themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #10

&quot;Here in Pennsylvania we have over 850,000 with concealed carry permits.&quot;

Just curious.  Anybody know what the number is in California under &quot;may issue?&quot;   Is there a county-by-county breakdown -- both in numbers and percentage of population?  That would be interesting to see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #10</p>
<p>&#8220;Here in Pennsylvania we have over 850,000 with concealed carry permits.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just curious.  Anybody know what the number is in California under &#8220;may issue?&#8221;   Is there a county-by-county breakdown &#8212; both in numbers and percentage of population?  That would be interesting to see.</p>
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		<title>By: CPAMBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPAMBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Californians should figure out why they&#039;re so incompetent that they can&#039;t carry firearms responsibly.  Here in Pennsylvania we have over 850,000 (6.76%) with concealed carry permits.  Open carry (loaded) is legal, but not an issue. We have no mayhem and chaos in the streets from either group. I guess we Pennsylvanians, as a whole, are just more responsible than Californians. I wonder why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Californians should figure out why they&#8217;re so incompetent that they can&#8217;t carry firearms responsibly.  Here in Pennsylvania we have over 850,000 (6.76%) with concealed carry permits.  Open carry (loaded) is legal, but not an issue. We have no mayhem and chaos in the streets from either group. I guess we Pennsylvanians, as a whole, are just more responsible than Californians. I wonder why.</p>
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		<title>By: redc1c4</title>
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		<dc:creator>redc1c4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i want him to sign it so we can get a court order eliminating the &quot;may issue&quot; and forcing &quot;shall issue&quot;.

of course, Jerry is just smart enough to understand that, so he might veto the bill. 

besides, he doesn&#039;t care one way or the other: he has armed bodyguards we pay for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want him to sign it so we can get a court order eliminating the &#8220;may issue&#8221; and forcing &#8220;shall issue&#8221;.</p>
<p>of course, Jerry is just smart enough to understand that, so he might veto the bill. </p>
<p>besides, he doesn&#8217;t care one way or the other: he has armed bodyguards we pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 00:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody making bets on what Jerry will do?  He&#039;s already told the legislature that he intends to veto many, if not most bills.  He&#039;s also a gun owner, which is an interesting contrast for a guy who flirted with Buddhism and hung out with Mother Theresa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody making bets on what Jerry will do?  He&#8217;s already told the legislature that he intends to veto many, if not most bills.  He&#8217;s also a gun owner, which is an interesting contrast for a guy who flirted with Buddhism and hung out with Mother Theresa.</p>
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