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	<title>Comments on: Gov. Jerry Brown signs bill banning &#8216;open carry&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Liberty,

We&#039;re a bit off topic here discussing the HPV vaccine issue instead of guns.  But what the heck.  You are probably right about the role of Big Pharma (i.e., Merck) in pushing this legislation. But I seriously doubt they influenced Jerry Brown&#039;s decision in the slightest.  I&#039;m generally not in favor of laws that weaken parental authority.  However, there are some really horrible parents out there who have some pretty rigid views about morality and religion.  In the case of HPV, we are talking life and death.  It only takes one incident of unprotected sex with a guy who doesn&#039;t even know he has the virus, and a girl can be condemned to cancer later in life.   If a girl aged 12-18 wants the vaccine and her parents refuse, I say to hell with parental rights in this case.  I view this the same way as a kid raised in a Christian Science family who wants medical treatment that the religion (or the parents&#039; interpretation of it) doesn&#039;t allow.  I&#039;ve known some exceptionally fine Christian Scientists in all walks of life, but I wouldn&#039;t allow parents in such a familiy to deny medical care to a minor who chooses a different path.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Liberty,</p>
<p>We&#8217;re a bit off topic here discussing the HPV vaccine issue instead of guns.  But what the heck.  You are probably right about the role of Big Pharma (i.e., Merck) in pushing this legislation. But I seriously doubt they influenced Jerry Brown&#8217;s decision in the slightest.  I&#8217;m generally not in favor of laws that weaken parental authority.  However, there are some really horrible parents out there who have some pretty rigid views about morality and religion.  In the case of HPV, we are talking life and death.  It only takes one incident of unprotected sex with a guy who doesn&#8217;t even know he has the virus, and a girl can be condemned to cancer later in life.   If a girl aged 12-18 wants the vaccine and her parents refuse, I say to hell with parental rights in this case.  I view this the same way as a kid raised in a Christian Science family who wants medical treatment that the religion (or the parents&#8217; interpretation of it) doesn&#8217;t allow.  I&#8217;ve known some exceptionally fine Christian Scientists in all walks of life, but I wouldn&#8217;t allow parents in such a familiy to deny medical care to a minor who chooses a different path.</p>
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		<title>By: For Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>For Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 04:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John W.,

You&#039;re correct, AB499 shifts the choice from the parents to the children, thus removing any need for counsel and/or permission from the parents.  But, how and by what circumstances will a child have to make such a choice?  This law plain and simply, removes the rights of parents, insinuating that the parents are incapable of making the proper decisions for the health of their child, no matter how much choice the child has or doesn&#039;t have.  The decision then is left up to a child and the health official, with no counsel, direction, notice or consent of the parent.  Without parental involvement, this law becomes a total dictation by the state when it comes to this public health concern.  Without parental involvement, the burden of responsibility is then shifted from the parents to the state regarding this particular public health matter.  The responsibility of whether or not a child receives this vaccine can now not be left with the parent and certainly not with the child, but now with the state.  As the state will now carry such a burden of responsibility to vaccinate away this public health concern, I&#039;d hate to be that young child in the doctor or nurses office having to make a choice without the consultation from mom or dad.   

In regards to the expense of the vaccination, I can only say that I believe the pharmaceutical companies who produce the vaccine applauded Brown&#039;s signing of this bill.  Just the fact of the law now removing the third party (the parent) in the vaccination of children, means the probability of increased profits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John W.,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct, AB499 shifts the choice from the parents to the children, thus removing any need for counsel and/or permission from the parents.  But, how and by what circumstances will a child have to make such a choice?  This law plain and simply, removes the rights of parents, insinuating that the parents are incapable of making the proper decisions for the health of their child, no matter how much choice the child has or doesn&#8217;t have.  The decision then is left up to a child and the health official, with no counsel, direction, notice or consent of the parent.  Without parental involvement, this law becomes a total dictation by the state when it comes to this public health concern.  Without parental involvement, the burden of responsibility is then shifted from the parents to the state regarding this particular public health matter.  The responsibility of whether or not a child receives this vaccine can now not be left with the parent and certainly not with the child, but now with the state.  As the state will now carry such a burden of responsibility to vaccinate away this public health concern, I&#8217;d hate to be that young child in the doctor or nurses office having to make a choice without the consultation from mom or dad.   </p>
<p>In regards to the expense of the vaccination, I can only say that I believe the pharmaceutical companies who produce the vaccine applauded Brown&#8217;s signing of this bill.  Just the fact of the law now removing the third party (the parent) in the vaccination of children, means the probability of increased profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 03:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that CA makes it very difficult for people to legally carry concealed. I look forward to the OC crowd gathering at the local Starbucks with their ARs slung over their shoulders]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that CA makes it very difficult for people to legally carry concealed. I look forward to the OC crowd gathering at the local Starbucks with their ARs slung over their shoulders</p>
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		<title>By: eureka</title>
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		<dc:creator>eureka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[too bad its not &quot;...untrained, unscreened, self-appointed vigilante(s).” that we have been having trouble with... it&#039;s the poorly trained, poorly screened, god complex granted police force that&#039;s gunning people down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too bad its not &#8220;&#8230;untrained, unscreened, self-appointed vigilante(s).” that we have been having trouble with&#8230; it&#8217;s the poorly trained, poorly screened, god complex granted police force that&#8217;s gunning people down.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@For Liberty

How does the law shift rights from parents to the state?  It shifts the choice from the parents to the girls.  In my book, a young girl&#039;s right not to be exposed to preventable cervical cancer trumps parental rights.  I doubt the law will have much effect, since vaccination requires three shots, which are very expensive.  Like it or not, girls tend to become sexually active at a much younger age than in my day.  Not allowing them to get vaccinated won&#039;t change that. However, somebody did raise an interesting question during morning talk on KGO.  If the law empowers a young girl to get vaccinated without parental permission, does it then also allow a girl to refuse if the parents want her to get vaccinated?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@For Liberty</p>
<p>How does the law shift rights from parents to the state?  It shifts the choice from the parents to the girls.  In my book, a young girl&#8217;s right not to be exposed to preventable cervical cancer trumps parental rights.  I doubt the law will have much effect, since vaccination requires three shots, which are very expensive.  Like it or not, girls tend to become sexually active at a much younger age than in my day.  Not allowing them to get vaccinated won&#8217;t change that. However, somebody did raise an interesting question during morning talk on KGO.  If the law empowers a young girl to get vaccinated without parental permission, does it then also allow a girl to refuse if the parents want her to get vaccinated?</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let the legal battle begin on open carry.  If the gun rights advocates start showing up around town with their shotguns and such, it will backfire on them, so to speak.  In the PR and legislative sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the legal battle begin on open carry.  If the gun rights advocates start showing up around town with their shotguns and such, it will backfire on them, so to speak.  In the PR and legislative sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Brown pleases gun advocates and foes - Political Blotter - Politics in the Bay Area and beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brown pleases gun advocates and foes - Political Blotter - Politics in the Bay Area and beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Gov. Jerry Brown signs bill banning &#8216;open carry&#8217; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gov. Jerry Brown signs bill banning &#8216;open carry&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DJH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was happy Gov. Brown signed this law.  This isn&#039;t a second amendment issue, it&#039;s a common sense one. We really don&#039;t need citizens walking around with guns. Sometimes your friends look like your enemies. It can be hard  to delineate between friend or foe and law enforcement does not need the extra burden of trying to decide if an open carry person is a threat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was happy Gov. Brown signed this law.  This isn&#8217;t a second amendment issue, it&#8217;s a common sense one. We really don&#8217;t need citizens walking around with guns. Sometimes your friends look like your enemies. It can be hard  to delineate between friend or foe and law enforcement does not need the extra burden of trying to decide if an open carry person is a threat.</p>
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		<title>By: For Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>For Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brown also signed AB499  which allows preteens and teens to be vaccinated without their parents&#039; consent.  This law was encouraged by public health officials who claim that the law will keep up with new prevention treatments and help slow the spread of disease among minors, claiming that parents are unable to be responsible for the health of their own children.  The law then shifts parental responsibility or in other words, strips their rights and freedom from the parents to the state government.

Mr. Brown,  What&#039;s next?  What other rights and freedoms can we transfer to the state of California that we&#039;re not able to do or figure out for ourselves.     

In addition, Brown also signed AB131 also known as the CA Dream Act.  This law allows, beginning in 2013, illegal immigrants accepted by state universities to receive assistance from Cal-Grants.  The new law also makes students who are not legally in the country eligible for institutional grants while attending the University of California and California State University systems. And it permits them to obtain fee waivers in the community college system.  This is all at the cost of legal tax paying citizens whose children will be competing to receive these same grants.  American citizen students from other states desiring to attend a CA school will have no benefit.  

I guess this all sounds fair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown also signed AB499  which allows preteens and teens to be vaccinated without their parents&#8217; consent.  This law was encouraged by public health officials who claim that the law will keep up with new prevention treatments and help slow the spread of disease among minors, claiming that parents are unable to be responsible for the health of their own children.  The law then shifts parental responsibility or in other words, strips their rights and freedom from the parents to the state government.</p>
<p>Mr. Brown,  What&#8217;s next?  What other rights and freedoms can we transfer to the state of California that we&#8217;re not able to do or figure out for ourselves.     </p>
<p>In addition, Brown also signed AB131 also known as the CA Dream Act.  This law allows, beginning in 2013, illegal immigrants accepted by state universities to receive assistance from Cal-Grants.  The new law also makes students who are not legally in the country eligible for institutional grants while attending the University of California and California State University systems. And it permits them to obtain fee waivers in the community college system.  This is all at the cost of legal tax paying citizens whose children will be competing to receive these same grants.  American citizen students from other states desiring to attend a CA school will have no benefit.  </p>
<p>I guess this all sounds fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter, Livermore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter, Livermore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s no longer &#039;open carry&#039; of handguns... Now, it&#039;s &#039;All Out Carry&#039; of rifles and shotguns!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s no longer &#8216;open carry&#8217; of handguns&#8230; Now, it&#8217;s &#8216;All Out Carry&#8217; of rifles and shotguns!</p>
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