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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2011/12/16/got-political-conscience-theres-a-guide-for-that/comment-page-1/#comment-56263</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #11

&quot;Stop whining about the power of money in politics and concentrate on the power of ideas.&quot;

That strikes me as pretty naive.

It&#039;s one thing for a Rockefeller or Forbes to spend their own money to get elected.  Obviously we&#039;ve got recent and distant examples of how that didn&#039;t work in California.  Here&#039;s the difference.  Their spending was, by law, completely transparent.  Some would argue that trying to &quot;buy&quot; your own election can be counter-productive in that many voters rebel against that.  So, there is a check and balance of sorts.  Not so if XYZ corp., or a group or corps with a common interest in electing or defeating a particular candidate for office decides to anonymously spend vast sums to drown out all other political advertising in a TV market.  Another difference is that candidates spending their own money on their own behalf is just them trying to get elected.  There&#039;s no quid pro quo involved.  In contrast, a corporation anonymously spending big bucks to elect somebody who will do their bidding or defeat somebody who won&#039;t is corruption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #11</p>
<p>&#8220;Stop whining about the power of money in politics and concentrate on the power of ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>That strikes me as pretty naive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing for a Rockefeller or Forbes to spend their own money to get elected.  Obviously we&#8217;ve got recent and distant examples of how that didn&#8217;t work in California.  Here&#8217;s the difference.  Their spending was, by law, completely transparent.  Some would argue that trying to &#8220;buy&#8221; your own election can be counter-productive in that many voters rebel against that.  So, there is a check and balance of sorts.  Not so if XYZ corp., or a group or corps with a common interest in electing or defeating a particular candidate for office decides to anonymously spend vast sums to drown out all other political advertising in a TV market.  Another difference is that candidates spending their own money on their own behalf is just them trying to get elected.  There&#8217;s no quid pro quo involved.  In contrast, a corporation anonymously spending big bucks to elect somebody who will do their bidding or defeat somebody who won&#8217;t is corruption.</p>
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		<title>By: RR, Senile Columnist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR, Senile Columnist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s enough about corporate responsibility. Business looks after its own interests, which is more than can be said about most citizens. Poorly informed yokels respond to dopey personal attacks, rumors and, in their delightful ways, act upon  selfishness and envy that make the evil special interests seem broadminded by comparison. The slobs have lots of power in numbers, something Big Biz can seldom overcome. If money was all it took to gain office, Nelson Rockefeller would have been prez and Steve Forbes would at least have made it to the Senate. Stop whining about &quot;the power of money in politics&quot; and concentrate on the power of ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s enough about corporate responsibility. Business looks after its own interests, which is more than can be said about most citizens. Poorly informed yokels respond to dopey personal attacks, rumors and, in their delightful ways, act upon  selfishness and envy that make the evil special interests seem broadminded by comparison. The slobs have lots of power in numbers, something Big Biz can seldom overcome. If money was all it took to gain office, Nelson Rockefeller would have been prez and Steve Forbes would at least have made it to the Senate. Stop whining about &#8220;the power of money in politics&#8221; and concentrate on the power of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2011/12/16/got-political-conscience-theres-a-guide-for-that/comment-page-1/#comment-56045</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #8

&quot;if you don&#039;t like it, get the law changed.&quot;

Agreed.  That&#039;s the point!  In the meantime, I think it&#039;s a very wholesome thing for CAPS to shine a spotlight on the good and bad actors in the corporate world.  I don&#039;t see why anybody would think it a bad thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #8</p>
<p>&#8220;if you don&#8217;t like it, get the law changed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.  That&#8217;s the point!  In the meantime, I think it&#8217;s a very wholesome thing for CAPS to shine a spotlight on the good and bad actors in the corporate world.  I don&#8217;t see why anybody would think it a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: RR, Senile Columnist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR, Senile Columnist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Money is the mother&#039;s milk of politics--Jess Unruh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money is the mother&#8217;s milk of politics&#8211;Jess Unruh</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#5 &amp; 7

Under existing law, all any entity has to do is form a 501(c)(3)corporation and none of its contributions must be reported.

If you don&#039;t like it, get the law changed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#5 &amp; 7</p>
<p>Under existing law, all any entity has to do is form a 501(c)(3)corporation and none of its contributions must be reported.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like it, get the law changed.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #3

&quot;The only stakeholders here are the shareholders.&quot;

Seriously?  My measly $200 contribution to some Congressional candidate goes up on the SEC website, but XYZ Corp. should be able to anonymously spend a gazillion bucks to support or defeat a candidate under some benign name like &quot;Committee for a Better America?&quot;  The general electorate doesn&#039;t have a stake in knowing that XYZ  Corp. is paying for all those TV spots that are dominating the airwaves in a particular campaign?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #3</p>
<p>&#8220;The only stakeholders here are the shareholders.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously?  My measly $200 contribution to some Congressional candidate goes up on the SEC website, but XYZ Corp. should be able to anonymously spend a gazillion bucks to support or defeat a candidate under some benign name like &#8220;Committee for a Better America?&#8221;  The general electorate doesn&#8217;t have a stake in knowing that XYZ  Corp. is paying for all those TV spots that are dominating the airwaves in a particular campaign?</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #4  &quot;Does anybody care who unions support.&quot;

Yes, we need transparency whether it&#039;s unions or corporations.  I mentioned unions in the third line of my first paragraph in #2 comments.   However, unions rarely seek to conceal who they are backing.  In fact, they are normally pretty open about it, as they try to get concessions in return for their public endorsement and then try to mobilize their members to get behind the chosen candidate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #4  &#8220;Does anybody care who unions support.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we need transparency whether it&#8217;s unions or corporations.  I mentioned unions in the third line of my first paragraph in #2 comments.   However, unions rarely seek to conceal who they are backing.  In fact, they are normally pretty open about it, as they try to get concessions in return for their public endorsement and then try to mobilize their members to get behind the chosen candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2011/12/16/got-political-conscience-theres-a-guide-for-that/comment-page-1/#comment-55841</link>
		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #3

&quot;The only stakeholders here are the shareholders.&quot;

Seriously?  If XYZ Corp. anonymously spends a kazillion to support or defeat a candidate for mayor of some city under some benign name like &quot;Citizens for Jobs,&quot; the general public and electorate is not a stakeholder in knowing this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #3</p>
<p>&#8220;The only stakeholders here are the shareholders.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously?  If XYZ Corp. anonymously spends a kazillion to support or defeat a candidate for mayor of some city under some benign name like &#8220;Citizens for Jobs,&#8221; the general public and electorate is not a stakeholder in knowing this?</p>
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		<title>By: RR, Senile Columnist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR, Senile Columnist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The much-maligned Citizens United decision also applies to organized labor. Does anybody care who unions support?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The much-maligned Citizens United decision also applies to organized labor. Does anybody care who unions support?</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and not have a damned thing disclosed to the public, shareholders or a board of directors.&quot;

The only stakeholders here are the shareholders.  It&#039;s my money they&#039;re playing with and I&#039;d like to know how it&#039;s being spent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and not have a damned thing disclosed to the public, shareholders or a board of directors.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only stakeholders here are the shareholders.  It&#8217;s my money they&#8217;re playing with and I&#8217;d like to know how it&#8217;s being spent.</p>
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