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	<title>Comments on: Poll: More back Brown&#8217;s tax plan than Munger&#8217;s</title>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2012/04/25/poll-more-back-browns-tax-plan-than-mungers/comment-page-1/#comment-76453</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 03:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You would think Sacramento would at least pretend they were working on serious pension reform so as to get more voter support for the taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think Sacramento would at least pretend they were working on serious pension reform so as to get more voter support for the taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 00:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #9  

Makes me proud to live in California, a wholly owned subsidiary of the public employee unions.

Something needs to change.

Badly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #9  </p>
<p>Makes me proud to live in California, a wholly owned subsidiary of the public employee unions.</p>
<p>Something needs to change.</p>
<p>Badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Lack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Lack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 00:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting reading about why Brown&#039;s tax proposal will pay for pensions, not education:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-23/new-california-taxes-pay-for-pensions-not-schools.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reading about why Brown&#8217;s tax proposal will pay for pensions, not education:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-23/new-california-taxes-pay-for-pensions-not-schools.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-23/new-california-taxes-pay-for-pensions-not-schools.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce R. Peterson Lafayette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce R. Peterson Lafayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep hearing about education over the internet. Students learn more faster &amp; like it better. They can even stay home.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing about education over the internet. Students learn more faster &amp; like it better. They can even stay home.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #6

&quot;Why can private schools and charters operate with less or equal funds and out produce public schools?&quot;  

Many reasons, of course. 

For one thing, there are many public schools right here in the Bay Area that easily perform as well as top private and charter schools.

There are some excellent charter schools, but the record is  very mixed.

Private schools and charter schools get to hand pick their students and don&#039;t have to deal with special needs kids.  Public schools have the mission of universal k-12 education.

Public schools can also pay teachers somewhat less, because what teacher wouldn&#039;t rather teach in a school with optimized learning environment and resources, even if the pay is a bit less?  If we junked all the public schools and went 100% to a voucher-based private school system, that system would face all the challenges that public schools currently face.

I&#039;m not dismissing factors such as tenure, undifferentiated pay structures, bloated departments of education, parental involvement or lack thereof.  But it&#039;s not as simple as &quot;private good, public evil.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #6</p>
<p>&#8220;Why can private schools and charters operate with less or equal funds and out produce public schools?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Many reasons, of course. </p>
<p>For one thing, there are many public schools right here in the Bay Area that easily perform as well as top private and charter schools.</p>
<p>There are some excellent charter schools, but the record is  very mixed.</p>
<p>Private schools and charter schools get to hand pick their students and don&#8217;t have to deal with special needs kids.  Public schools have the mission of universal k-12 education.</p>
<p>Public schools can also pay teachers somewhat less, because what teacher wouldn&#8217;t rather teach in a school with optimized learning environment and resources, even if the pay is a bit less?  If we junked all the public schools and went 100% to a voucher-based private school system, that system would face all the challenges that public schools currently face.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not dismissing factors such as tenure, undifferentiated pay structures, bloated departments of education, parental involvement or lack thereof.  But it&#8217;s not as simple as &#8220;private good, public evil.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE#3

Mandates and more spending will fail our children. The current system is broken and all of your grand tax schemes and government mandates will only make it worse. Funding and oversight are not the problems. Why can private schools and charters operate with less or equal funds and out produce public schools? Awake from your malaise and truthfully answer the question. The difference is choice. The Munger Plan will only feed the beast and create more layers of bureaucracy.

I agree with your 7th point that, &quot;more communication and engagement with parents as true partners with schools in helping all children succeed&quot;, but I fail to see how more money will achieve this. How can you preach to partner with a parent when the parents do not have the right to choose where they want thier kids to go to school. 

Under Browns tax proposal or Munger&#039;s nothing will change. We need to reform, not propagate the current system. Break the state monopoly, bust the Union, allow schools to compete, let the poor escape failing schools, stop holding our kids hostage to a broken system. Like so many other Democrat supported redistribution ideas this one will only make the poor poorer and the rich not as rich.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE#3</p>
<p>Mandates and more spending will fail our children. The current system is broken and all of your grand tax schemes and government mandates will only make it worse. Funding and oversight are not the problems. Why can private schools and charters operate with less or equal funds and out produce public schools? Awake from your malaise and truthfully answer the question. The difference is choice. The Munger Plan will only feed the beast and create more layers of bureaucracy.</p>
<p>I agree with your 7th point that, &#8220;more communication and engagement with parents as true partners with schools in helping all children succeed&#8221;, but I fail to see how more money will achieve this. How can you preach to partner with a parent when the parents do not have the right to choose where they want thier kids to go to school. </p>
<p>Under Browns tax proposal or Munger&#8217;s nothing will change. We need to reform, not propagate the current system. Break the state monopoly, bust the Union, allow schools to compete, let the poor escape failing schools, stop holding our kids hostage to a broken system. Like so many other Democrat supported redistribution ideas this one will only make the poor poorer and the rich not as rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The people of this state are once again being blackmailed by big government and big labor.&quot;

So, what else is new?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The people of this state are once again being blackmailed by big government and big labor.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, what else is new?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It comes as a real surprise that we are for the tax increase we don&#039;t have to pay and against the one we do have to pay.  Who would&#039;ve guessed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It comes as a real surprise that we are for the tax increase we don&#8217;t have to pay and against the one we do have to pay.  Who would&#8217;ve guessed?</p>
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		<title>By: Mcdez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mcdez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People should be aware that the governor&#039;s income and sales tax will not bring any additional money to schools. The revenue that goes to schools is money that has previously been taken from schools. He&#039;s paying back a debt. Paying back a debt to schools is not the same as giving money to schools. With the governor&#039;s proposal, our per pupil spending will remain flat -- if we&#039;re lucky.

Our Children, Our Future is the only initiative that actually provides dollars over and above the Prop 98 minimum. This PTA/Molly Munger initiative raises income tax rates on a sliding scale: from 4/10 of 1% on the lowest earners to 2.2% on multi-millionaires. Most people earning under $50,000 won’t pay any more taxes. There is no sales tax.

For 12 years, the measure will raise $10 billion a year to invest directly in public schools and early education programs. For the first four years, 30% of the new revenue will help California pay down education-bond debt. For the remaining eight years, all the money goes to education: 85% to K-12 schools and 15% to early childhood education. This is money that does not get lumped into the general fund, but instead goes directly to school sites with local parent, teacher and community input -- mandated. It also mandates strict oversight and accountability measures. Where was the money spent?  What were the outcomes?

This money cannot be used to increase current teacher salaries or benefits and puts a 1% cap on administrative costs. This money can be spent to improve students&#039; academic performance, graduation rates, and vocational, career, college and life readiness by funding: 1. instruction in the arts, physical education, science, technology, engineering, mathematics, history, civics, financial literacy, English and foreign languages, and technical, vocational or career education; 2. smaller class sizes; 3. more counselors, librarians, school nurses and other support staff at the school site; 4. extended learning time through longer school days or longer school years, summer school, preschool, after school enrichment programs and tutoring; 5. additional social and academic support for English language learners, low income students and students with special needs; 6. alternative education models that build students&#039; capacity for critical thinking and creativity; and 7. more communication and engagement with parents as true partners with schools in helping all children succeed.

California State PTA was very careful about which tax initiative to support. Our Children, Our Future, won -- hands down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should be aware that the governor&#8217;s income and sales tax will not bring any additional money to schools. The revenue that goes to schools is money that has previously been taken from schools. He&#8217;s paying back a debt. Paying back a debt to schools is not the same as giving money to schools. With the governor&#8217;s proposal, our per pupil spending will remain flat &#8212; if we&#8217;re lucky.</p>
<p>Our Children, Our Future is the only initiative that actually provides dollars over and above the Prop 98 minimum. This PTA/Molly Munger initiative raises income tax rates on a sliding scale: from 4/10 of 1% on the lowest earners to 2.2% on multi-millionaires. Most people earning under $50,000 won’t pay any more taxes. There is no sales tax.</p>
<p>For 12 years, the measure will raise $10 billion a year to invest directly in public schools and early education programs. For the first four years, 30% of the new revenue will help California pay down education-bond debt. For the remaining eight years, all the money goes to education: 85% to K-12 schools and 15% to early childhood education. This is money that does not get lumped into the general fund, but instead goes directly to school sites with local parent, teacher and community input &#8212; mandated. It also mandates strict oversight and accountability measures. Where was the money spent?  What were the outcomes?</p>
<p>This money cannot be used to increase current teacher salaries or benefits and puts a 1% cap on administrative costs. This money can be spent to improve students&#8217; academic performance, graduation rates, and vocational, career, college and life readiness by funding: 1. instruction in the arts, physical education, science, technology, engineering, mathematics, history, civics, financial literacy, English and foreign languages, and technical, vocational or career education; 2. smaller class sizes; 3. more counselors, librarians, school nurses and other support staff at the school site; 4. extended learning time through longer school days or longer school years, summer school, preschool, after school enrichment programs and tutoring; 5. additional social and academic support for English language learners, low income students and students with special needs; 6. alternative education models that build students&#8217; capacity for critical thinking and creativity; and 7. more communication and engagement with parents as true partners with schools in helping all children succeed.</p>
<p>California State PTA was very careful about which tax initiative to support. Our Children, Our Future, won &#8212; hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spending more money on education will not fix the problem. Brown and Munger can tax the wealthy all they want and Ca. would still have an underperforming school system. Parent participation is the key to all learning and the first step of a childs education should be a parent&#039;s ability to choose where they want their children to go to school. Remove the monopoly of State Education and allow parents the right to choose. Government monolopies have successfully driven up the price of education and at the same time driven down the quality.

The party line that higher taxes will cure all is simply not true. 

What about pension reform? The party of organized labor conveniently ignores the elephant in the room and will hold our kids hostage to feed union coffers and Democratic campaign funds.The people of this state are once again being blackmailed by big government and big labor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spending more money on education will not fix the problem. Brown and Munger can tax the wealthy all they want and Ca. would still have an underperforming school system. Parent participation is the key to all learning and the first step of a childs education should be a parent&#8217;s ability to choose where they want their children to go to school. Remove the monopoly of State Education and allow parents the right to choose. Government monolopies have successfully driven up the price of education and at the same time driven down the quality.</p>
<p>The party line that higher taxes will cure all is simply not true. </p>
<p>What about pension reform? The party of organized labor conveniently ignores the elephant in the room and will hold our kids hostage to feed union coffers and Democratic campaign funds.The people of this state are once again being blackmailed by big government and big labor.</p>
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