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	<title>Comments on: Chefs make last-ditch effort to avoid foie gras ban</title>
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		<title>By: Truthclubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthclubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 02:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@7 -- An obesity problem?  In America?  What &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47211549/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;obesity&lt;/a&gt; problem?

If it was such a problem that it cost us all close to $600 per person, each year, you would think that the government would demand something be done about it!

Like, perhaps, insisting that people with a BMI over a certain number (say, 30 for obese, or 40 for &quot;morbidly obese&quot;, which BTW means &quot;deathly fat&quot;) pay much more for their health care, if they can get it at all!

But wait, they did, via ObamaCare!

The U.S. health care reform law of 2010 allows employers to charge obese workers &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;30 percent to 50 percent more for health insurance&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; if they decline to participate in a qualified wellness program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@7 &#8212; An obesity problem?  In America?  What <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47211549/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/" rel="nofollow">obesity</a> problem?</p>
<p>If it was such a problem that it cost us all close to $600 per person, each year, you would think that the government would demand something be done about it!</p>
<p>Like, perhaps, insisting that people with a BMI over a certain number (say, 30 for obese, or 40 for &#8220;morbidly obese&#8221;, which BTW means &#8220;deathly fat&#8221;) pay much more for their health care, if they can get it at all!</p>
<p>But wait, they did, via ObamaCare!</p>
<p>The U.S. health care reform law of 2010 allows employers to charge obese workers <i><b>30 percent to 50 percent more for health insurance</b></i> if they decline to participate in a qualified wellness program.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthclubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthclubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 00:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@6 -- &quot;ducks...eat food naturally this way...that...comes from a machine....&quot;

Really?  Coulda fooled me -- every time I&#039;ve observed ducks they want nothing to do with machines.

The industry has had 8 years to get ready for this ban on cruelty toward this species of waterfowl -- deal with it.

I doubt that Western Civilization as we know it will come to a crashing halt on the morning of July 1st because of this...so move on.

We have &#039;bigger&#039; problems to solve -- like the &#039;exploding&#039; obesity epidemic in this country and the Medicare bills that we will all have to &#039;fork&#039; over our taxes to pay for...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6 &#8212; &#8220;ducks&#8230;eat food naturally this way&#8230;that&#8230;comes from a machine&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  Coulda fooled me &#8212; every time I&#8217;ve observed ducks they want nothing to do with machines.</p>
<p>The industry has had 8 years to get ready for this ban on cruelty toward this species of waterfowl &#8212; deal with it.</p>
<p>I doubt that Western Civilization as we know it will come to a crashing halt on the morning of July 1st because of this&#8230;so move on.</p>
<p>We have &#8216;bigger&#8217; problems to solve &#8212; like the &#8216;exploding&#8217; obesity epidemic in this country and the Medicare bills that we will all have to &#8216;fork&#8217; over our taxes to pay for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The free market, consumer-driven approach to this would be to require transparency.  How might that work?  (a) require that menus include the English translation  - &quot;fat liver;&quot; and (b) require that menus include a brief visual description of the methodology for producing the delicacy.  Of course, if we took that approach to many dishes served in restaurants, many of us would just become vegans, which would help with the obesity problem!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The free market, consumer-driven approach to this would be to require transparency.  How might that work?  (a) require that menus include the English translation  &#8211; &#8220;fat liver;&#8221; and (b) require that menus include a brief visual description of the methodology for producing the delicacy.  Of course, if we took that approach to many dishes served in restaurants, many of us would just become vegans, which would help with the obesity problem!</p>
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		<title>By: DanvilleDemocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanvilleDemocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks should educate themselves about foie gras production before assuming it&#039;s &quot;torture&quot; for the ducks to be &quot;forced&quot; to swallow the feed that fattens their livers -- ducks possess no gag reflex, and eat food naturally this way.  That it comes from a machine is really of no consequence.

Comments above notwithstanding, I like Senator Burton a lot -- but he&#039;s just not well-educated on this issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks should educate themselves about foie gras production before assuming it&#8217;s &#8220;torture&#8221; for the ducks to be &#8220;forced&#8221; to swallow the feed that fattens their livers &#8212; ducks possess no gag reflex, and eat food naturally this way.  That it comes from a machine is really of no consequence.</p>
<p>Comments above notwithstanding, I like Senator Burton a lot &#8212; but he&#8217;s just not well-educated on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthclubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthclubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a rejoinder, I looked at the list of the &quot;Foie Nazis&quot; (the ones who can&#039;t abide by this afront to gastronomy!) and saw that Josh&#039;s eye was a bit too permissive, as regards regions of California:

The following nine restauranteurs need to be added to the (bold listing) &quot;Northern California region&quot; list:

Jason Berthold, RN74, San Francisco
Pajo Bruich, Lounge ON20, Sacramento
Chris Cosentino, Incanto, San Francisco
Didier Dutertre, Bistro Moulin, Monterey
Molly Hawks, Hawks Restaurant, Granite Bay
Patrick Mulvaney, Mulvaney’s BandL, Sacramento
Randall Selland, Selland Family Restaurants, Sacramento
Michael Thiemann, Ella Dining Room and Bar, Sacramento
Noah Zonca, The Kitchen, Sacramento

With that, we see that 73 of the 103 (~71%) &quot;whine-a-lots&quot; are from this region, which represents maybe 1/3 of the population of California.

Oh, we ARE such liberals up here, compared to our brethen down in LA/SD, aren&#039;t we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a rejoinder, I looked at the list of the &#8220;Foie Nazis&#8221; (the ones who can&#8217;t abide by this afront to gastronomy!) and saw that Josh&#8217;s eye was a bit too permissive, as regards regions of California:</p>
<p>The following nine restauranteurs need to be added to the (bold listing) &#8220;Northern California region&#8221; list:</p>
<p>Jason Berthold, RN74, San Francisco<br />
Pajo Bruich, Lounge ON20, Sacramento<br />
Chris Cosentino, Incanto, San Francisco<br />
Didier Dutertre, Bistro Moulin, Monterey<br />
Molly Hawks, Hawks Restaurant, Granite Bay<br />
Patrick Mulvaney, Mulvaney’s BandL, Sacramento<br />
Randall Selland, Selland Family Restaurants, Sacramento<br />
Michael Thiemann, Ella Dining Room and Bar, Sacramento<br />
Noah Zonca, The Kitchen, Sacramento</p>
<p>With that, we see that 73 of the 103 (~71%) &#8220;whine-a-lots&#8221; are from this region, which represents maybe 1/3 of the population of California.</p>
<p>Oh, we ARE such liberals up here, compared to our brethen down in LA/SD, aren&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Truthclubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthclubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yawn.

Cruelty is cruelty, no matter what kind of &quot;skirt&quot; you want to put on it (or yourself).

Just because we can (force feed &quot;lesser&quot; species to morph them into yummy morsels) doesn&#039;t mean we should, any more than we should demand that able bodied 12 year olds should be allowed (er, forced if their economic circumstances allow) to work in factories (or as janitors, as Gingrich promoted) for 40+ hours per week.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.happycow.net/blog/?p=975&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gandhi&lt;/a&gt; was right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn.</p>
<p>Cruelty is cruelty, no matter what kind of &#8220;skirt&#8221; you want to put on it (or yourself).</p>
<p>Just because we can (force feed &#8220;lesser&#8221; species to morph them into yummy morsels) doesn&#8217;t mean we should, any more than we should demand that able bodied 12 year olds should be allowed (er, forced if their economic circumstances allow) to work in factories (or as janitors, as Gingrich promoted) for 40+ hours per week.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.happycow.net/blog/?p=975" rel="nofollow">Gandhi</a> was right.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Richman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Richman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re #1 – I assume that was a rhetorical question, RR, but for the record: Burton is 13 months younger than Stark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #1 – I assume that was a rhetorical question, RR, but for the record: Burton is 13 months younger than Stark.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Burton&#039;s mind was destroyed by coke.

Who knows what happened to Stark.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Burton&#8217;s mind was destroyed by coke.</p>
<p>Who knows what happened to Stark.</p>
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		<title>By: RR, Senile Columnist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR, Senile Columnist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is John Burton  a slightly younger version of Pete Stark?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is John Burton  a slightly younger version of Pete Stark?</p>
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