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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/2012/10/03/open-thread-what-did-you-think-of-the-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-94039</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 00:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As George W. might say, I wouldn&#039;t misunderestimate Joe.  It won&#039;t be 2008 with Sarah Palin.  Joe treated Sarah with kid gloves.  Didn&#039;t want to look like a bully.  I don&#039;t think either candidate will worry about that this time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As George W. might say, I wouldn&#8217;t misunderestimate Joe.  It won&#8217;t be 2008 with Sarah Palin.  Joe treated Sarah with kid gloves.  Didn&#8217;t want to look like a bully.  I don&#8217;t think either candidate will worry about that this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; VP debate should be fun.&quot;

Indeed.

People will be on the edge of their chairs waiting to see what precious gem of idiocy comes out of Biden&#039;s mouth next!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; VP debate should be fun.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed.</p>
<p>People will be on the edge of their chairs waiting to see what precious gem of idiocy comes out of Biden&#8217;s mouth next!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #24

Publius, do you see any of us &quot;libs&quot; (as contrasted with you &quot;cons&quot;) in denial about the debate?  Obama took more heat from supporters for that performance than from opponents.  Romney attacked.  Obama laid back and did &quot;prevent defense.&quot;  Bad idea.   Obama had lots of facts and good arguments.  What he failed at was rebutting Romney and in the body language department.  Some who listened on radio have said they thought Obama did better -- like Nixon/Kennedy in 1960.

However, where Romney scored many of his points, he did it with misinformation or inconsistency with previous positions.    Huge lie about how much Obama spent on alternative energy and the number of failed projects.  Had to backtrack when confronted by fact-checkers post-debate.  Lied about Obama doubling the deficit. Lied about having a plan for pre-existing conditions.  Distorted about the $716 billion in Medicare cost reductions.  Claims he can offset 20% tax rate cuts ($5 trillion worth) by eliminating deductions.  He can&#039;t, so now he&#039;s buzzing about &quot;dynamic scoring.&quot;  Can&#039;t explain where the money comes from to pay for adding $2 Trillion in defense spending, or for eliminating the estate tax.  Lied when he said he didn&#039;t know what Obama was talking about in terms of getting tax breaks when moving business off-shore or outsourcing.

Problem is, Obama wasn&#039;t aggressive and failed to call him out on this stuff during the debate.

Next presidential &quot;debate&quot; is a Town Hall.  Won&#039;t be the same dynamics.  VP debate should be fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #24</p>
<p>Publius, do you see any of us &#8220;libs&#8221; (as contrasted with you &#8220;cons&#8221;) in denial about the debate?  Obama took more heat from supporters for that performance than from opponents.  Romney attacked.  Obama laid back and did &#8220;prevent defense.&#8221;  Bad idea.   Obama had lots of facts and good arguments.  What he failed at was rebutting Romney and in the body language department.  Some who listened on radio have said they thought Obama did better &#8212; like Nixon/Kennedy in 1960.</p>
<p>However, where Romney scored many of his points, he did it with misinformation or inconsistency with previous positions.    Huge lie about how much Obama spent on alternative energy and the number of failed projects.  Had to backtrack when confronted by fact-checkers post-debate.  Lied about Obama doubling the deficit. Lied about having a plan for pre-existing conditions.  Distorted about the $716 billion in Medicare cost reductions.  Claims he can offset 20% tax rate cuts ($5 trillion worth) by eliminating deductions.  He can&#8217;t, so now he&#8217;s buzzing about &#8220;dynamic scoring.&#8221;  Can&#8217;t explain where the money comes from to pay for adding $2 Trillion in defense spending, or for eliminating the estate tax.  Lied when he said he didn&#8217;t know what Obama was talking about in terms of getting tax breaks when moving business off-shore or outsourcing.</p>
<p>Problem is, Obama wasn&#8217;t aggressive and failed to call him out on this stuff during the debate.</p>
<p>Next presidential &#8220;debate&#8221; is a Town Hall.  Won&#8217;t be the same dynamics.  VP debate should be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Libs get a hold of yourselves. The great Obama loast the debate. This is proof that Obama is not a god and does not walk on water. When you take the teleprompter away from Obama he is nothing more than a leftist college professor that cannot operate or understand the real world. Mitt ate his lunch and will be coming back for more. My vote may not count due to where I live, but it was sure fun to watch Obama get exposed by a smarter more capable candidate. Fact check this............

-1 and 6 Americans in poverty
-49 million Americans on food stamps
-$16 trillion dollars in debt
-Americas credit rating down graded for the 1st time in history

Don&#039;t stop believing......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libs get a hold of yourselves. The great Obama loast the debate. This is proof that Obama is not a god and does not walk on water. When you take the teleprompter away from Obama he is nothing more than a leftist college professor that cannot operate or understand the real world. Mitt ate his lunch and will be coming back for more. My vote may not count due to where I live, but it was sure fun to watch Obama get exposed by a smarter more capable candidate. Fact check this&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>-1 and 6 Americans in poverty<br />
-49 million Americans on food stamps<br />
-$16 trillion dollars in debt<br />
-Americas credit rating down graded for the 1st time in history</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t stop believing&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ John W. #22

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ John W. #22</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  17

Elwood, I get it that you didn&#039;t think much of Obama&#039;s post-debate campaign appearance.  But where&#039;s the &quot;lie?&quot;

Yeah, read about the Al Gore thing.  Still can&#039;t stop laughing.  Having lived  in Denver off and on for 25 years before moving to CA, I can attest that the altitude effect can be very real if you fly in and have to immediately jump right into a situation requiring high performance -- mental or physical.  I&#039;ve experienced that myself and observed it in others.  But I&#039;m pretty sure Obama&#039;s problem was attitude, not altitude.  Lack of preparation and bad strategy.  I mean, if one of your debate weaknesses is a tendency to drone on, who better to choose as your debate sparring partner than John Kerry?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  17</p>
<p>Elwood, I get it that you didn&#8217;t think much of Obama&#8217;s post-debate campaign appearance.  But where&#8217;s the &#8220;lie?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, read about the Al Gore thing.  Still can&#8217;t stop laughing.  Having lived  in Denver off and on for 25 years before moving to CA, I can attest that the altitude effect can be very real if you fly in and have to immediately jump right into a situation requiring high performance &#8212; mental or physical.  I&#8217;ve experienced that myself and observed it in others.  But I&#8217;m pretty sure Obama&#8217;s problem was attitude, not altitude.  Lack of preparation and bad strategy.  I mean, if one of your debate weaknesses is a tendency to drone on, who better to choose as your debate sparring partner than John Kerry?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  16

I stand corrected on the Jeremiah Wright time-line, Elwood.  Doesn&#039;t change my view that there&#039;s nothing blockbusterish about the video. It&#039;s pretty consistent with Obama&#039;s major themes from the time he became a candidate to now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  16</p>
<p>I stand corrected on the Jeremiah Wright time-line, Elwood.  Doesn&#8217;t change my view that there&#8217;s nothing blockbusterish about the video. It&#8217;s pretty consistent with Obama&#8217;s major themes from the time he became a candidate to now.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #15 John W.

&quot;“Obama tries to lie his way out of losing.”

How so? What lie? What is mentioned in the story that is a lie?&quot;

 &quot;In his first public appearance after what was widely viewed as a lackluster debate performance against his Republican challenger, President Barack Obama was cheered Thursday at a morning rally by thousands of supporters, telling them he was shocked to meet a “guy who was playing Mitt Romney” on stage.

“When I got onto the stage, I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney,” he said.&quot;  --Ibid

Pathetic.

Oh, and Al Gore said O&#039;bummer&#039;s PP performance was caused by the high altitude causing the air in his head to expand.  Or something like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #15 John W.</p>
<p>&#8220;“Obama tries to lie his way out of losing.”</p>
<p>How so? What lie? What is mentioned in the story that is a lie?&#8221;</p>
<p> &#8220;In his first public appearance after what was widely viewed as a lackluster debate performance against his Republican challenger, President Barack Obama was cheered Thursday at a morning rally by thousands of supporters, telling them he was shocked to meet a “guy who was playing Mitt Romney” on stage.</p>
<p>“When I got onto the stage, I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney,” he said.&#8221;  &#8211;Ibid</p>
<p>Pathetic.</p>
<p>Oh, and Al Gore said O&#8217;bummer&#8217;s PP performance was caused by the high altitude causing the air in his head to expand.  Or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ #14 John W.
&quot; It was also prior to all the controversy about Wright’s inflammatory speeches.&quot;


Au contraire, John


&quot;By the time Obama appeared at Hampton, Jeremiah Wright had become a political problem. Wright told The New York Times earlier that year that he would no longer be speaking on the campaign’s behalf because his rhetoric was considered too militant. And yet later in the Hampton speech Obama explicitly defends Wright from unnamed critics, a group he describes as “they”:

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/#ixzz28O98o2mY]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #14 John W.<br />
&#8221; It was also prior to all the controversy about Wright’s inflammatory speeches.&#8221;</p>
<p>Au contraire, John</p>
<p>&#8220;By the time Obama appeared at Hampton, Jeremiah Wright had become a political problem. Wright told The New York Times earlier that year that he would no longer be speaking on the campaign’s behalf because his rhetoric was considered too militant. And yet later in the Hampton speech Obama explicitly defends Wright from unnamed critics, a group he describes as “they”:</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/#ixzz28O98o2mY" rel="nofollow">http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/#ixzz28O98o2mY</a></p>
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		<title>By: JohnW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re:  #11

&quot;Obama tries to lie his way out of losing.&quot;

How so?  What lie?  What is mentioned in the story that is a lie?

Romney outperformed Obama in the debate.  Nobody, including Team Obama, disagrees.  However, that performance was fueled more by audacity and tenacity than by veracity -- as fact checkers have been noting all day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  #11</p>
<p>&#8220;Obama tries to lie his way out of losing.&#8221;</p>
<p>How so?  What lie?  What is mentioned in the story that is a lie?</p>
<p>Romney outperformed Obama in the debate.  Nobody, including Team Obama, disagrees.  However, that performance was fueled more by audacity and tenacity than by veracity &#8212; as fact checkers have been noting all day.</p>
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